New NBA "dress code"

[jaffies]

Stern bounces ideas for better NBA image
By Shira Springer, Globe Staff | September 29, 2005


link (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2005/09/29/stern_bounces_ideas_for_better_nba_image/?page=2)

NBA commissioner David Stern spent yesterday making one public appearance after another, flying from the Senate hearing on steroids in Washington to a National Braille Press gala last night at the TD Banknorth Garden. The Boston event honored Stern along with world-class blind climber Erik Weihenmayer and drew a contingent of Celtics past and present. At a time when Stern, the NBA, and the Celtics are increasingly concerned about the image projected by players, the gala provided an opportunity to foster good relations between the players and community, and highlight the Celtics' charitable efforts. Just the kind of positive publicity Stern likes to generate.

As part of the new collective bargaining agreement, the NBA and its players' union devised several new initiatives designed to improve the athletes' accessibility and professionalism. Players will be required to attend pregame autograph sessions and participate in pregame giveaways of T-shirts, hats, and wristbands. Inactive players will greet fans and community groups on game nights. The league increased the players' minimum number of community relations appearances from 10 to 12. Players must make themselves available to the media for at least 15 minutes after practice. And among other new rules, there will be a dress code Stern expects to include sport coats and collared shirts, and exclude bluejeans. When it was mentioned that some of the league's most highly regarded players, such as Tim Duncan, dress more casually, Stern said, ''Well, the job description has changed."

''We're working on a job description," said Stern. ''It's to help the players understand what the job is. The job is not only to go to practice and win games. The job is representing the NBA to all constituencies. Community relations. Public relations. Sponsor relations . . . Maybe for a variety of reasons we pulled back too much. Or maybe we got spoiled by a generation of players who did these things as a matter of course and as we got younger we moved away from them. So, we have to slowly remind ourselves [what to do].

''Sometimes I worry that our players' intensity can be misconstrued and their effort can be misconstrued. They are the most intense, the most dedicated. I think the younger base of our fans understands that, but perhaps, the mid-to-older aren't quite as attuned to it. We'd like to use our convening power to have people focus on this game and our great players, who they are and how they play, rather than their variance from some norm . . . Being neatly attired in a certain way, that's going to be our norm."

While some fans may view instituting a league-wide dress code as treating the symptom and not the problem, Stern sees it as a small step in re-educating players about proper conduct.

''The dress code is, to me, a continuation of things [after the league mandated teams wear either warmups or shorts for the national anthem last year, but not a mix.] It's a small thing that contributes to a sense of professionalism. It's what the job entails. We've always moved to the fashion of our players. Years ago, the fashion was a jacket and tie. Now, it's a much more casual approach. But our referees are always attired a certain way based upon their job description when they come into the building. Our coaches are attired a certain way when they come on the court. We decided that it was time [for the players]."

Stern noted that some teams have more strict dress codes than the one the league plans to institute. That said, the commissioner also believes code-of-conduct-type rules generally should fall under purview of the league to ensure fairness. When the Celtics' plans for a Code of Conduct came up, Stern called it ''just a restatement" and said it was ''announcing the obvious with an air of discovery." Still, the Celtics promise to be ahead of the curve in all matters relating to professionalism and community relations. Owner Wyc Grousbeck said the team would do ''20 percent more" than what the league mandated. That kind of commitment was one of the reasons the implication of Tony Allen in a recent Chicago nightclub incident in which there was a shooting upset Grousbeck so much.

But Allen was not the only NBA player to be in the wrong place at the wrong time recently. Wizards second-round pick Andray Blatche was shot in the chest last weekend, and the Bobcats' Marvin Ely was robbed and shot at early yesterday morning. While he would not say so directly, Stern is certainly concerned about these kinds of incidents and the image they project.

''What went through my mind when it was the second time is that our players have to be more careful because they are inviting targets in places where they might or might not want to be," said Stern. ''It's going to be our job to remind them [of the dangers]. It's something that we clearly have to be concerned about. But really, less for the image and more for the safety."

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Wow, thank you so much David Stern for saving the league. If this only this policy had been in place a few years ago. I could totally see Damon Stoudemire and Rasheed Wallace leaving the arena in Portland.

"Yo Sheed, wanna get high tonight?"

"No, Damon. We're well dressed, so we can't possibly break the law."

[T Park]

about goddamn time Stern.

Maybe the players will dress like proffessionals instead of slobs now.

[Obi wan Ginobili]

Make awesome people like Timmy change to wear a coat and tie when people like Kobe are already wearing a coat and tie running around raping people.

GJ Dstern.

Memorandum: Wear a Coat and Tie to change our public image.

Should be

Memorandum: Stop Raping little white girls and wear whatever the hell you want.

[T Park]

Stop Raping little white girls

Evidence that he did?

Court of law convict him?

[Kori Ellis]

Players must make themselves available to the media for at least 15 minutes after practice. And among other new rules, there will be a dress code Stern expects to include sport coats and collared shirts, and exclude bluejeans. When it was mentioned that some of the league's most highly regarded players, such as Tim Duncan, dress more casually, Stern said, ''Well, the job description has changed."

That's not going to go over really well.

Tim probably just won't do interviews anymore :lmao

[T Park]

him, or allen iverson.

Having to dress like normal proffessionals really strikes a chord with multi millionaire basketball players.

[Kori Ellis]

I've seen Iverson in suits at least 20 times. I don't think he minds as much as Tim will.

[SpursWoman]

That's not going to go over really well.

Tim probably just won't do interviews anymore :lmao


I thought that before I read any replies... :lol :lol

[nkdlunch]

AI dresses cool. Who cares what the fuck they wear

[T Park]

I've seen Iverson in suits at least 20 times

Court doesn't count.

[Kori Ellis]

Court doesn't count.

:lmao

That was a good one. But I was talking about postgame interviews and other press stuff.

[samikeyp]

You have players making kids in every city they play in, drug use, spousal abuse and sexual misconduct in the NBA. Yes, make the players wear a coat, that will fix everything! :rolleyes Stern, you are not a fashionista, have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

[Obi wan Ginobili]

Evidence that he did?

Court of law convict him?


Requireing proof on a message board is like making someone register to become a parent.

You say or do things because they feel good, to hell with the consequences.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

If he's going to force them to talk to the media then can he enforce a "no stupid ass question" rule for the press covering the teams? There's a reason why some of these guys don't bother with the press. There are plenty of guys in the league like Rasheed Wallace who have proven they're willing to pay 15K to avoid having to deal with these people night in and night out. If anything I think this is going to make things worse because you're going to have more guys put in positions where they have to talk to the press in situations that they might have otherwise avoided. How many more Rasheed playing PSP and Jason Williams' "You ain't ritin' nuthin'" incidents will this incite? That's not what's going to help the NBA's image.

[polandprzem]

Fuck that
I'm pissed now What the hell Stern is doing?

Now the players won't be able to show their own style
damn authograph - trhat should be in players intencions

[T Park]

Who cares what the fuck they wear



The boss of the company.


When you walk into a resteraunt, would you feel better or worse that they are wearing a uniform?

Or wearing nose rings, baggy shirts and spiked hair and looking like they just came from a 5 day frat party.


Its called proffessionalism hippie.

[polandprzem]

professionalism my a$$

[T Park]

You have players making kids in every city they play in, drug use, spousal abuse and sexual misconduct in the NBA. Yes, make the players wear a coat, that will fix everything!

you dont think players influence the way kids dress and such??

Ignorance is thy name.

[nkdlunch]

The boss of the company.


When you walk into a resteraunt, would you feel better or worse that they are wearing a uniform?

Or wearing nose rings, baggy shirts and spiked hair and looking like they just came from a 5 day frat party.


Its called proffessionalism hippie.


what were u born in the 1920's or something? Times change old timer.

[Summers]

about goddamn time Stern.

Maybe the players will dress like proffessionals instead of slobs now.

I kind of understand this sentiment (they are, after all, multi-millionaires), but, really, what does it matter how they dress walking in and out of the arena when they wear what amounts to baggy underwear to do their job? I don't really get why anyone would care what the players wear to interviews. Tim may dress casually, but I think he represents the NBA just as well any player dressed in an expensive suit.

[Kori Ellis]

I actually like it that Stern is trying to promote a more professional atmosphere. I don't think the dress code is written in stone yet. I'm guessing that the wanted "sport coat" requirement won't happen and it will probably be changed to just button down shirts required and no jeans allowed.

[samikeyp]

Its called proffessionalism hippie.

I can wear jeans and a t-shirt to work and I am as professional as they come. Clothes do not make the man. If a player is a gangsta-ass thug or malcontent, they will be so whether they wear an armani suit or baggy jeans and a wife beater.

[T Park]

[QUOTE]professionalism my a$$

dont tempt me with some jokes.

you dont think wearing a suit and cleaning up is better looking for a business than walking around wearing FUBU and having hats half cocked...

Of course not.

BTW, im waiting for the first, im a racist recant, that is so pithy and hilarious.

[T Park]

I can wear jeans and a t-shirt to work and I am as professional as they come

To you?? Maybe.

To a customer?? ehhhhh youd have to ask em.


People need to quit thinking about themselves and think what Stern is trying to do.

Clean up the "gansta" image.

Period.

[boutons]

Sounds like a boarding school.

Next year, only regulation "regimental" striped ties in NBA colors, straw skimmers, team blazers with patches on the chest pocket, red yachting trousers, and docksiders.

http://www.costumes4less.com/prodimages/previews/previewGC75.jpg

Dictating more interaction with the fans and press, ok. But he's way too stern in dictating a whitey dress code to a league full of bruvvas.

[midgetonadonkey]

The boss of the company.


When you walk into a resteraunt, would you feel better or worse that they are wearing a uniform?

Or wearing nose rings, baggy shirts and spiked hair and looking like they just came from a 5 day frat party.


Its called proffessionalism hippie.

I don't give a fuck what waiters were. Just bring me my food and shut the fuck up. That's all I ask of them. This rule is lame and it will have a very minor effect on the leagues image.

There is only 1 "f" in professionalism dumbass.

[cheguevara]

The NBA is a business for entertainment. Therefore the players are entertainers. They are not comparable to employees for some Coorporate business. Get real.

[Summers]

I actually like it that Stern is trying to promote a more professional atmosphere. I don't think the dress code is written in stone yet. I'm guessing that the wanted "sport coat" requirement won't happen and it will probably be changed to just button down shirts required and no jeans allowed.

But Tim's long skinny legs look goofy in dress pants.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

you dont think players influence the way kids dress and such??

Ignorance is thy name.

Who gives a damn how kids are dressing? How exactly are players in designer suits going to improve the dressing habits of inner city kids who can't afford anything better? I'm a big fan of the guys who wear suits for their interviews, I think it's a nice touch and adds some professionalism, but what sends a worse lesson? That Tim Duncan plays great team basketball, is a upstanding citizen, but wears jeans, or that a well dressed individual like Kobe Bryant cheats on his wife but managed to patch things up with an 8 karat diamond? For as little as I might personally like Stern and his small market hate I've generally liked the way he's run this league. But this is just plain stupid, stupid, stupid.

[samikeyp]

Ignorance is thy name.

So I don't agree with you and I am ignorant? Fuck off.

[samikeyp]

To you?? Maybe.

To a customer?? ehhhhh youd have to ask em.

most customers prefer that they person they are dealing with be efficent (sp?) correct and courteous. A neat and clean appearance is also good but you can be casual and still be neat and clean.

[samikeyp]

I actually like it that Stern is trying to promote a more professional atmosphere. I don't think the dress code is written in stone yet. I'm guessing that the wanted "sport coat" requirement won't happen and it will probably be changed to just button down shirts required and no jeans allowed.

I could see the sports coat thing dropped as well.

[T Park]

what were u born in the 1920's or something? Times change old timer.

what were you born in the 60s??

You think Disney got its great reputation at its parks for FUN FILLED RIDES!!

No, it was their workers looks and how they acted.

Business 101 go read it hemp boy.

[samikeyp]

No, it was their workers looks and how they acted.

they don't wear suits. they are very casual and yet still very professional. you can look like a million bucks but if you act like trash, you're still trash. Clothes aren't the SOLE indicator of professionalism. A good attitude is neccessary as well.

[nkdlunch]

You think Disney got its great reputation at its parks for FUN FILLED RIDES!!

No, it was their workers looks and how they acted.


:lmao :lmao

yeah... I'm sure that was the reason why Disney prospered :lol


TPark for NBA comissioner, then all players will dress up like Abe Simpson
http://www.simpsons.metropoliglobal.com/fotogramas/3f19/08.jpg

[MadDog73]

what were you born in the 60s??

You think Disney got its great reputation at its parks for FUN FILLED RIDES!!

No, it was their workers looks and how they acted.

Business 101 go read it hemp boy.

Have you even been to Disneyland, moron?

HINT: They don't wear suits and jackets outside in fucking Florida.

[polandprzem]

TPark wants kids to wear suits
great.

The palyers represent themselves with the wear and with BEHAVIOR. What is more important? hm?

[Obstructed_View]

I don't give a fuck what waiters were. Just bring me my food and shut the fuck up. That's all I ask of them. This rule is lame and it will have a very minor effect on the leagues image.

There is only 1 "f" in professionalism dumbass.

If you are going to correct spelling and call people names, perhaps you should spell the word "wear" or "league's" correctly, moron.

[Obstructed_View]

TPark wants kids to wear suits
great.

The palyers represent themselves with the wear and with BEHAVIOR. What is more important? hm?

One promotes the other. It's a very simple concept, which is why humans have followed it all over the world all through history. If they change the rule, Duncan will wear a suit and won't say a word. The rule will improve the image of the league regardless of whether or not it changes anyone's behavior. Since you can't change the way people act, you can change the way they look, and therefore, how others judge them. People are welcome to disagree with the rule change, but it's not sensible to disagree with the reason that it's being done.

[samikeyp]

One promotes the other. It's a very simple concept, which is why humans have followed it all over the world all through history. If they change the rule, Duncan will wear a suit and won't say a word. The rule will improve the image of the league regardless of whether or not it changes anyone's behavior. Since you can't change the way people act, you can change the way they look, and therefore, how others judge them. People are welcome to disagree with the rule change, but it's not sensible to disagree with the reason that it's being done.

Good post. I agree with you also about Duncan. He may or may not like it but if its a rule, he will follow it.

[Leetonidas]

Tim always seemed to dress fine to me. A pair of Lugz, blue jeans, and usually a Sean John button-down Polo. Not too shabby.

[Obstructed_View]

Tim always seemed to dress fine to me. A pair of Lugz, blue jeans, and usually a Sean John button-down Polo. Not too shabby.I agree, but he isn't the problem, and seeing him in a suit will be good for the league's image regardless. It kind of sucks that he doesn't break any rules and they do the iPod rule and now this, but the rest of us suffer larger indignities in our jobs every day.

[polandprzem]

yeah right
If the rule said "weare glasses and mustache and at least one cm of hair" would you do it?

The thing is - that is too much. I like seeing NBA players in suits. But I love what Tim is wearing. (what he likes is also important to me). I see more personality in players. They would feel more comfotable and everything is more interesting.

Come on I know what Stern is tend to do. But I'm not going to agree with him just because they go to work ble ble ble. Change the Jersey change the shorts, but do not change their style. It is part of a player more than an NBA.
What people wear? It realy doesn't matter. Let them dress like Tim is dressed and addopt their behavior to it.

[Obstructed_View]

yeah right
If the rule said "weare glasses and mustache and at least one cm of hair" would you do it?
For seven or eight figures if they told most people to wear ballet shoes and a pink Hello Kitty backpack they'd do it.

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.spurstalk.com/pointai.jpg

[spurs=bling]

But Tim's long skinny legs look goofy in dress pants.
:lmao

[polandprzem]

For seven or eight figures if they told most people to wear ballet shoes and a pink Hello Kitty backpack they'd do it.
WTF is that?

Are you talking to me seriously or just playing jokes?
You are not convincing me with your arguments.

Ps. Kori - whose point? Or it is just those 2 guys talking to Stern ???

:smokin

[ALVAREZ6]

Somewhere, Allen Iverson is really pissed off.


No more roca wear jeans and tall-tees for him.

[Medvedenko]

This is a good idea....the business extends prior, during, and after the games. They were a uniform during the games, right. Wearing suits and looking more professional as a mandate is becoming more of the norm in most business. A lot of companies are getting away from casual Friday's, Mondays etc....Will it change the perception of the fans...who knows...is it for the best, I guess we'll see.

[angel_luv]

The Spurs are already great guys who are awesome to our community.
I think we are fine as is.


If Stern wants to address the behavior and appearance of certain teams who are seriously falling short, then he should deal with them on an individual basis.

[ducks]

I think this is wrong. I think it should be up to the teams not the nba. However, I guess since some teams can not grow the heck up and dress like a bunch of punks they ruin it for everyone. Stern must think this is high school

[GoSpurs21]

Evidence that he did?

Court of law convict him?rich athletes get away with murder in this country, just ask OJ

[baseline bum]

Tim should show up in either the Dumb and Dumber orange suit or that blue one from American Pie.

[angel_luv]

I think this is wrong. I think it should be up to the teams not the nba. However, I guess since some teams can not grow the heck up and dress like a bunch of punks they ruin it for everyone. Stern must think this is high school


I agree.

I think Stern's mistake is trying to enforce a nitpicky blanket policy when only a few individuals are at fault.

Our guys may not dress G.Q. for interviews, but they always look nice.
And I honestly don't know of any team whose players are better to the fans than the Spurs are.

[romsey31]

Make awesome people like Timmy change to wear a coat and tie when people like Kobe are already wearing a coat and tie running around raping people.

GJ Dstern.

Memorandum: Wear a Coat and Tie to change our public image.

Should be

Memorandum: Stop Raping little white girls and wear whatever the hell you want.


Why would Kobe have to rape any girl when he could probably get almost any girl he wants?....Besides which girl in her right mind would have sex the day after getting raped ????????? Dont you think she'd be a bit traumatized?

[romsey31]

If you are going to correct spelling and call people names, perhaps you should spell the word "wear" or "league's" correctly, moron.

OWNED!

[CaptainLate]

:rolleyes Stern, you are not a fashionista, have a coke and a smile and :stfu.

Dear Sheeple,

Welcome to Fascist Amerika...it started long before Stern. And you wonder how the German people supported you know who? :rolleyes

Signed, George W. Bushitler :king

[angel_luv]

The Spurs are such good guys that they will adopt any new league policy without any complaint.
To me that just proves my point: The Spurs already have their class act together and should not be bothered.

[Kori Ellis]

It doesn't really matter if the Spurs are "good boys" or not. Any changes like this are for the public image of the league as a whole. The league would never give a dress code to one team and not to another based on off/on the court misbehavior.

They are obviously just attempting to distance themselves from the "gangsta" clothing/image that many NBA players wear. And to me, it's perfectly fine to request an employee dress a certain way when they are on company time.

[zedman]

...

People need to quit thinking about themselves and think what Stern is trying to do.

Clean up the "gansta" image.

Period.

Yeah, the image, but not necessarily the "gansta". Actions will still speak louder than clothes.

[MiNuS]

Bowen,Mohamed dress to impress.

I like the new rule.


Its okay by me.The league has to make up for what happenned last year in Detroit.

[samikeyp]

Welcome to Fascist Amerika...it started long before Stern. And you wonder how the German people supported you know who?

The Germans were Fashionistas? :p :)

[ducks]

I think artest should wear his birthday suit and see what stern says!

[angel_luv]

It is possible that I am overreacting to the whole dress code thing. I could live with seeing Rasho in a nice suit night after night. = ) Oh baby!

I think my real deal is that I dislike Stern and resent his added interference with our team.

[samikeyp]

It is possible that I am overreacting to the whole dress code thing. I could live with seeing Rasho in a nice suit night after night. = ) Oh baby!

I think my real deal is that I dislike Stern and resent his added interference with our team.

Could be. I have no problem with the dress code in itself, I just think there are more pressing issues. Kori is right though, an employer does have the right to set such a code on company time. I don't think its the sole indicator of professionalism but I do think it is a step in the right direction. Just my .02.

[ShoogarBear]

It is possible that I am overreacting to the whole dress code thing. I could live with seeing Rasho in a nice suit night after night. = ) Oh baby!

He'll need it to "greet the fans and community groups on game nights".

[angel_luv]

He'll need it to "greet the fans and community groups on game nights".

:rolleyes
:lol
I should have known you would go there.

Hardy har har, silly old bear!

[batman2883]

He'll need it to "greet the fans and community groups on game nights".

ha ha hah a holy shit why didnt i come up with that ???

[Horry For 3!]

That NBA dress code is gay, it will never work.

[batman2883]

oh man that is some good shit shoogabear

[SequSpur]

Tpark, you're a racist.

Suits don't mean shit. A sport coat doesn't mean shit. Jeans don't mean shit.

Do you wear a sportcoat when you operate that tiltawhirl?

How come carney girls have no teeth, is that a requirement?

WTF over.

[Obstructed_View]

Dear Sheeple,

Welcome to Fascist Amerika...it started long before Stern. And you wonder how the German people supported you know who? :rolleyes

Signed, George W. Bushitler :king
That it quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read on this message board.

[spurs=bling]

didn't Barkley say that the suns team(all of the players) spent $75 on clothes
a month?

[Obstructed_View]

WTF is that?

Are you talking to me seriously or just playing jokes?
You are not convincing me with your arguments.

Ps. Kori - whose point? Or it is just those 2 guys talking to Stern ???

:smokin

Let me translate: For the money they are being paid, they should wear the fucking suits and shut up. I imagine that the vast majority would and will.

[Brutalis]

Evidence that he did?

Court of law convict him?
Since when has our government been righteouss or more correct than corrupt?

Wanna talk about the sixties?

[sanman53]

Nbagq!

[SpursWoman]

Its called proffessionalism hippie.


So are good grammar and spelling skills. :lol :lol


And does it strike anyone else funny that a 20-something is calling another 20-something "hippie"? :spin :spin :spin

[Banks91]

The players will do as they are told, its as simple as that. Ya'll act like players will fight every new rule made. You gotta pick ur battles, and im sure for the players this wont be a fight worth fighting

[ObiwanGinobili]

I like the new rule.
the company wants to project a certain image and has implemented a dress code. big whop. it;s not the end of the world.
and there are plenty of teams' players out there who really do need to dress a bit more respectable.
There's no reason why the NBA should not try to spiffy up it's look.

[Gummi]

I like it. I hate this hip-hop culture and the cloths that come with it. I don't think it's professional when guys like Iverson and Amare Stoudamire arrive in oversized T-shirts and baggy pants and some ridiculous chains around their necks. Look at guys like Peja Stojakovic and Ray Allen. They dress to impress. It doesn't have to be a nice suit. What about some nice pants and a Lacoste polo?

The American public doesn't want to see some athletes dressed as gang members.

[Mixability]

Aww, cmon! Who cares what the players wear?!?! As long as they get the job done, then their clothes don't matter to me! Oh no, they dress too "gangsta"!??! :rolleyes Get over it! Times change, People change. I don't care if the entire Spurs roster arrives at the SBC Center in matching silver and black diapers, as long as they beat the other team, then :elephant

[ShoogarBear]

What about some nice pants and a Lacoste polo?

The American public doesn't want to see some athletes dressed as gang members.

Well, I'm part of the American public, and I don't want to see athletes dressed like inbred Biff and Muffy straight from he country club.

[Mixability]

Well, I'm part of the American public, and I don't want to see athletes dressed like inbred Biff and Muffy straight from he country club.

:tu

[milkyway21]

damn, Stern must have read that Kevin Willis article last year :D

He wants the league to appear good in public but to dress formally or casually just to make a statement is simply irrelevant. It's how players behave in & out of court is more important to me.

Tim prefer to wear casual but I don't think he'll make a fuss about it.

...and he looked good wearing a suit when he was drafted by the Spurs in 1997...

i just don't know how Rasho, Beno & Oberto look in a suit though :rolleyes

[phyzik]

I think NBA players are adult enough to decide what they want to wear, they dont need someone telling them. Its freaking basketball, not like they work for Donald freaking Trump. I find it rediculous to expect someone to dress "business casual" then, when they are actually WORKING they are practically in thier pajamas. :rolleyes

[angel_luv]

i just don't know how Rasho, Beno & Oberto look in a suit though :rolleyes

B E A UTIFUL! :spin

[Pistons < Spurs]

I like the new rule.
the company wants to project a certain image and has implemented a dress code. big whop. it;s not the end of the world.
and there are plenty of teams' players out there who really do need to dress a bit more respectable.
There's no reason why the NBA should not try to spiffy up it's look.

Well said. I totally agree.

[milkyway21]

B E A UTIFUL! :spin..proof?

:lol

[angel_luv]

Hey I have no problem checking out my claims! = )

[DesiSpur_21]

I see what Stern is trying to do but this is above board. Dress code is not going to change your behaviour. Imagine a well dressed Kmart,Sheed,AI,Artest shitting out bleeps out of their mouth :lol :lol That's a shame not only to NBA but to the corporate world as well.

Players wearing ugly color suits look as bad as a gangsta look

I know some players dress too shabbily, but handling the issue in hitler-way is not the solution. I personally feel Tim can dress a "little" better, but I just can't bear Players wearing Suits and having bad mannersims.

[2pac]

That's not going to go over really well.

Tim probably just won't do interviews anymore :lmao

"Both teams played hard"

Tim Duncan, 2006

[TDMVPDPOY]

We dont need bball players dressin up like diddy now do we?

[polandprzem]

Let me translate: For the money they are being paid, they should wear the fucking suits and shut up. I imagine that the vast majority would and will.
ridiculous

What planet are you from?

[Dre_7]

He wants the league to appear good in public but to dress formally or casually just to make a statement is simply irrelevant. It's how players behave in & out of court is more important to me.

Bingo!

If a guy wears a suit to events, yet beats his wife, or does drugs, or whatever, it wont matter how he looks. Its about actions, not appereance.

[Warlord23]

Well, Stern can't magically stop players from beating their wives, doing drugs, talking and acting badly in front of the world.

The next best thing was to bring a sense of professionalism in the part of their public life that relates to the NBA. And I think it's a good thing he did it.

Working in large teams in the corporate world has left me with the lasting impact that if you relax too many rules, people stop taking a lot of things seriously.

Iverson changing from baggy pants to formal clothes might actually be a good thing in terms of his interactions with the fans and media. Too often guys say and do stupid things cuz they have this belief that anything is tolerable from a multi-millionaire baller. I'm not saying that wearing a suit would entirely change that, but it might bring them back a little closer to earth.

[Uncle Donnie]

Retarded. What does wearing a suit have to do with basketball? :shootme I have to believe there are more important things for Stern to address.

Professionalism my ass. They aren't accountants.

[Uncle Donnie]

Working in large teams in the corporate world has left me with the lasting impact that if you relax too many rules, people stop taking a lot of things seriously.

That has more to do with the people you worked with than anything else. I've seen people try to push that philosophy in my company and it never holds up. Professionalism isn't about putting on a tie. If someone can't act professional in a pair of jeans then odds are they can't do it in a suit either.

And again, it has shit to do with basketball either way.

[DesiSpur_21]

That has more to do with the people you worked with than anything else. I've seen people try to push that philosophy in my company and it never holds up. Professionalism isn't about putting on a tie. If someone can't act professional in a pair of jeans then odds are they can't do it in a suit either.

And again, it has shit to do with basketball either way.

:tu

I am with you on this one. Even in the corporate world I have seen lot of well-dressed guys BSing around with no respect from peers or bosses.

[DesiSpur_21]

And oh.. by the way NFL coaches look supercool with their casual dressing. I'd rather take that over the "corporate world" dress code

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

At the end of the day this won't have a big impact on the Spurs since the league and the media are going to try to hide them away from the cameras like an ugly stepchild like they always have. TD could dress up like a clown for his interviews and I don't think anyone outside of San Antonio would actually notice.

I think this whole situation is best summed up by an old friend of mine who graduated from UH and then went to work at one of the worst inner city schools here in Houston. They changed to a strict uniform dress code. The impact was minimal. In his words, "Well the bad news is that there's still a bunch of drug dealers at the school, the good news is that now they are dressed much more respectfully."

[ObiwanGinobili]

I'm really shocked at how vehemantly people are reacting to this new dress code.
It's not like the players are being held down and oppressed by "the man" or something.

personally I never understood why there wasn't a dress code all ready. not to mention that it is a part of the new CBA. which means that the players union took an equal part in negotiating it and settign it;s guidelines. they had thier say and they've agreed.

In decades past proffesional athletes always dressed respectable for company events etc when off the field. I appreciate that look and image of professionalism and respect.

[MadDog73]

Meh, I don't really care. To me, banning ipods in pregame warm-ups is more stupid than requiring people to wear suits to interviews.

Stern has done worse things....

[SWC Bonfire]

I like the idea, it makes the league look (and probably behave) more professional. A lot of players already wear suits to interviews (Bruce Bowen springs to mind). But I think that this should be left up to the teams. I have no problem for any team to say that you will have to adhere to a dress code when addressing the media.

[SpursWoman]

Retarded. What does wearing a suit have to do with basketball? :shootme I have to believe there are more important things for Stern to address.

Professionalism my ass. They aren't accountants.


Hey...I'm an accountant. And right now at work I'm wearing jeans and flip flips.

:spin

[ducks]

is stern going to make them wear boxers or underwear?

[angel_luv]

Hey...I'm an accountant. And right now at work I'm wearing jeans and flip flips.

:spin


Counting your blessings, eh? :lol

[Spurminator]

"Professional Image" is such an archaic concept. Who the fuck cares if they're wearing jeans or not?

Give me a break. Just because some people have a bigotted reaction to baggy clothes ("they look like thugs") doesn't mean the NBA needs to protect those people.

What's next, banning corn rows and tatoos?

[SWC Bonfire]

I disagree, Spurminator. The image you project to the public is very important.

If you are a teammate or front office person, how would you rather see your team represented with the picture plastered on the internet worldwide - Tim Duncan came out and spoke for the team in a sports jacket, or Brent Barry came out looking like he just dropped acid with Scooby in the back of the mystery machine? :lol

(That is not an indictment of anyone's dressing habits, just an illustration).

[Spurminator]

Honestly, it just doesn't matter to me. I think the NBA has every right to institute a dress code, but I think it's more of an indictment on people's irrational perceptions than an indictment on players' dress habits.

Sure, the NBA is doing what a lot of businesses would do... They are trying to combat some of the public's view of their players as thugs. Even though that view is unsubstantaited and in many ways racist. I would much rather see the NBA try to reverse those biases... Show images of players dressed in what most suburbanites think of as "Thug Clothes" reading to children or doing other volunteer work.

[Spurminator]

ARod is one of the best dressed players in all of baseball, and most people consider him to be a soulless robot. I prefer personality, and that carries over into dress. I like that Duncan dresses casual, I like that Shaq dresses like a pimp, I like that Iverson dresses in a way that relates to where he came from. I like that Brent Barry looks like someone you could call up and play video games with. It's personality.

It's much more relatable to the average fan, IMO. The dress code strikes me as trying to relate to the Corporate Suite Box CEOs bringing their clients to the arena to discuss everything but basketball.

[nkdlunch]

The NBA is a business for entertainment. Therefore the players are entertainers. They are not comparable to employees for some Coorporate business. Get real.

exactly

[MiNuS]

Tpark, you're a racist.

Suits don't mean shit. A sport coat doesn't mean shit. Jeans don't mean shit.

Do you wear a sportcoat when you operate that tiltawhirl?

How come carney girls have no teeth, is that a requirement?

WTF over.you owe me Tpark!

I am going to back up Tpark on this one.The Nba needs a lift after last year's debacle. Since Jordan left the Bulls the NBA is getting very ghetto with the cornrolls,the sideways caps,the very dressed down look.
C'mon these guys make millions of dollars a year and can't make a good statement with a coat and slacks!

It reminds me of people that go to church in shorts and their AC/DC shirts.Have a little more respect!

I back you up Tpark on this.

[Kip Fanatic]

All I can say is that its about dang time. I am in my mid-twenties and I can relate to the corn rolls, tats, Sean John, ball caps, and etc. I like to dress casual. I love shorts, flip flops, jeans, un-tucked shirts, and etc. However, my job requires me to dress business casual. The company pays me and that's how I survive. If they tell me I have to wear a suit, I have to. If I have to cover up my tattoo on my forearm, I have to. Why? They freakin' pay me. If I don't like it too bad. Its called respecting those in authority over you. That's the problem with people today. I am young and from a different generation, but I believe we must respect those who are over us. It seems like crap at times, but its life. Is it such a big deal for NBA players to wear a collared shirt and dress pants? They make millions of dollars, travel all over the U.S, stay in the best hotels, and play basketball for a living. I congratulate Stern on this. If I ever have my own company/business I will allow myself to wear whatever I want, but until then I have to obey the rules because I want to eat, live in a house, drive a good car, and be able to buy things I want. The players need to understand this. Its not Stern against them. Stern just happens to run the company they work for and this is one of his rules. Get over it. It has nothing to do with this being a different generation and personality. Its a business that they (NBA players) work for, not own.
The autograph session is awesome. I cannot stand that professional atheletes don't want to sign something for a kid or a fan. What is the big deal? It takes no more than 10 seconds to sign your name on jersey or card. The fans make the NBA go. Period. They owe it to the fans. I don't give a crap what anyone says. If the fans were to quit buying tickets, buying the jerseys, and other souveniors, where would the players get their money from? I have seen a lot of kid and their parents get turned off by players who snub them when they are asking for a picture or an autograph. There are some that do take the time to sign items and pose for photos and I'll tell you this, the fans walk away with a great feeling. That's what its all about.

[angel_luv]

I'm just happy that the Spurs have always been great to the fans and aren't just starting this year cause Stern is making them.

[ObiwanGinobili]

All I can say is that its about dang time. I am in my mid-twenties and I can relate to the corn rolls, tats, Sean John, ball caps, and etc. I like to dress casual. I love shorts, flip flops, jeans, un-tucked shirts, and etc. However, my job requires me to dress business casual. The company pays me and that's how I survive. If they tell me I have to wear a suit, I have to. If I have to cover up my tattoo on my forearm, I have to. Why? They freakin' pay me. If I don't like it too bad. Its called respecting those in authority over you. That's the problem with people today. I am young and from a different generation, but I believe we must respect those who are over us. It seems like crap at times, but its life. Is it such a big deal for NBA players to wear a collared shirt and dress pants? They make millions of dollars, travel all over the U.S, stay in the best hotels, and play basketball for a living. I congratulate Stern on this. If I ever have my own company/business I will allow myself to wear whatever I want, but until then I have to obey the rules because I want to eat, live in a house, drive a good car, and be able to buy things I want. The players need to understand this. Its not Stern against them. Stern just happens to run the company they work for and this is one of his rules. Get over it. It has nothing to do with this being a different generation and personality. Its a business that they (NBA players) work for, not own.
The autograph session is awesome. I cannot stand that professional atheletes don't want to sign something for a kid or a fan. What is the big deal? It takes no more than 10 seconds to sign your name on jersey or card. The fans make the NBA go. Period. They owe it to the fans. I don't give a crap what anyone says. If the fans were to quit buying tickets, buying the jerseys, and other souveniors, where would the players get their money from? I have seen a lot of kid and their parents get turned off by players who snub them when they are asking for a picture or an autograph. There are some that do take the time to sign items and pose for photos and I'll tell you this, the fans walk away with a great feeling. That's what its all about.

Kip , I am seriously starting to wonder if were seperated at birth....

[Mixability]

All I can say is that its about dang time. I am in my mid-twenties and I can relate to the corn rolls, tats, Sean John, ball caps, and etc.

Cmon, lets get it right first: Corn Rows!

Moving on: Nothing is wrong with the way the players dress now, it gives them personality. Stern should just come up and say what he really means, "Stop dressing soooo Black!" :rolleyes Get over it. Pretty soon Stern will be rewarding players with the least amount of technical fouls "free dress days"!

[picnroll]

Just curious. Is this something the player's association could or would fight? Does the CBA give Stern the authority to dictate a strick dress code?

[Kip Fanatic]

Kip , I am seriously starting to wonder if were seperated at birth....

Why do you say that?

[ObiwanGinobili]

Just curious. Is this something the player's association could or would fight? Does the CBA give Stern the authority to dictate a strick dress code?


the article says:


As part of the new collective bargaining agreement, the NBA and its players' union devised several new initiatives designed to improve the athletes' accessibility and professionalism.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Why do you say that?


becasue I wholeheartdly agree with 99.5% of everythign you say. it's freaky.

[Kip Fanatic]

Moving on: Nothing is wrong with the way the players dress now, it gives them personality. Stern should just come up and say what he really means, "Stop dressing soooo Black!" Get over it. Pretty soon Stern will be rewarding players with the least amount of technical fouls "free dress days"!

Who is in charge of the NBA? Stern. Nuff said. What he says goes? If they don't like it? Then go find another job where you get to stay in the best hotels, travel all over, play basketball for a living, and get paid millions of dollars. Good luck on that one.

[ShoogarBear]

Kip , I am seriously starting to wonder if were seperated at birth....


Why do you say that?

Because of the black tape on your nipples.

[Kip Fanatic]

becasue I wholeheartdly agree with 99.5% of everythign you say. it's freaky.

Too bad you're married. :lol

[Samr]

I think the number of court convictions and technical fouls a player receives should be directly proportionate to the enforcement of his individual dress code.

[ducks]

I think stern should make the players keep their shirts on tell they leave the courts and not worry about this other stuff

[polandprzem]

What would Iverson do when Stern not allow corflakes on their hair?

I woder of Dennis Rodman reaction.


and the autograph - damn it's up to players.
Maybe they do not want to singn them and they are forced to do it. All this fake smile and so on. I think there is a direcive about smiling.

maybe I'm overreacting but I do not like this idea

[jcrod]

I agree and disagree.

I agree that they shouldn't dress gansta ( ie, baggy clothes, caps turned backwards, retro jerseys, etc) it just doesn't look right when you're doing a interview before or after a game.

But...
Most corporate America doesn't wear suits anymore, or a sports coat. And just about everybody has casual Friday. We wear non-jeans and your shirt needs to have a collar. You can still dress very cool with these standards.

I think there should be restrictions on what you can't wear, instead of what you have to wear.

[Extra Stout]

The idea of a dress code was collectively bargained, if perhaps not the specific details.

This isn't being crammed down the players' throats. Their representatives consented to it, and the players voted for it.

Representation... voting... just like Hitler!

Hmm... maybe the players themselves are concerned about their image...

[Mixability]

Who is in charge of the NBA? Stern. Nuff said. What he says goes? If they don't like it? Then go find another job where you get to stay in the best hotels, travel all over, play basketball for a living, and get paid millions of dollars. Good luck on that one.

I couldn't understand you completely... you might want to take Stern's cock out of your mouth... joking aside. Its the players that bring in the money to line Sterns pockets, he should adapt to their requests. And its all this "gangsta style" that increases jersey sales anyways right? Fans nowadays want to relate to their "heroes" on the court. If I see TD in a tshirt and jeans, it makes me feel like he'd be a cool guy to hang out with. When I was a kid and I saw MJ in his designer suits, it just felt like he didn't really exist. Nowadays, AI, Amare, TD, etc look like everyday guys who just happen to be superstars.

[zeleni]

First: As a fan I like to be in touch with people I am cheering for.

Second: As a fan, I like my players all accounted for. If they mess around, no suit will help. Sprewel will just have to feed less of his children just to make his ends meet on clothes.

Third: Stern is a smart guy, but now Spurs will be just less unique in their appearence. If most NBA stars were cavemen, I wouldn't try to sell them deodorants. Stern does not want his league to get serious, just more good-looking. So he chains them at some barber shop and shaves them. Our clean shaven team still smells nice, but... that's it.

Fourth:
NBA is not an religion, and good suits are not for players, fans or even commisioner. So why would anybody compare NBA millionars with some kids with AC/DC shirts?! Church was not built for respect, it was built to contemplate. NBA was not even founded to entertain. Sports are to compete. And competition can be a religion only with tradition. BASKETBALL HAS HARDLY GOT A TRADITION, WAS FOUNDED 60 (less) YEARS AGO. An ounce of modesty...please.

[ObiwanGinobili]

once again.....


As part of the new collective bargaining agreement, the NBA and its players' union devised several new initiatives designed to improve the athletes' accessibility and professionalism..............................Stern noted that some teams have more strict dress codes than the one the league plans to institute. That said, the commissioner also believes code-of-conduct-type rules generally should fall under purview of the league to ensure fairness


so it's allready been discussed, negotiated, and agreed apon by the players.

I don't see any players getting all pissy and incensed over it - to them it's old news allready.

but this one news blip sure has alot of fan's panties in a bunch.


1 week to training camp. It's a slow slow newsday isn't it?

[angel_luv]

[QUOTE=ObiwanGinobili] it's allready been discussed, negotiated, and agreed upon by the players.
[QUOTE]


If the Spurs are content, then I am too. I just want them to feel happy and comfortable.

[Que Gee]

It'll be interesting to see how closely they enforce this. They are EXTEME sticklers when it comes to uniform enforcement, often calling players within hours of games when a uniform infraction has been seen.

[Mixability]

If the Spurs are content, then I am too. I just want them to feel happy and comfortable.

I'm sure you'd be happy and comfortable with Rasho conducting his interviews in nothing but a sock and a smile! :lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

I'm sure you'd be happy and comfortable with Rasho conducting his interviews in nothing but a sock and a smile! :lol


i'm sure Angel would be willign to conduct hat interview...... sans sock!! :lol

[Mixability]

i'm sure Angel would be willign to conduct hat interview...... sans sock!! :lol

that gives new meaning to the term "cottonmouth"! :lol

[Obstructed_View]

ridiculous

What planet are you from?
The planet where people don't bite the hand that feeds them. What planet are you from?

[angel_luv]

i'm sure Angel would be willign to conduct hat interview...... sans sock!! :lol



My screen name is my nick name- one I earned for a reason. :angel

Besides, I love a man in uniform!

[polandprzem]

The planet where people don't bite the hand that feeds them. What planet are you from?
You've got to realize who feeds who

[Obstructed_View]

I do. The inmates don't run the asylum. Many have millions of dollars and still can't dress properly. :lol

[SpursWoman]

What would Iverson do when Stern not allow corflakes on their hair?


I think something got lost in the Polish to English translator. :lol :lol :lol

[remingtonbo2001]

I feel many have misunderstood the issue being emphasized by Stern, including the author of the noted article. The NBA is a business. As a business, their interests reside in maximizing profits. Consumer satisfaction is impertative to the success or failure a business achieves. When consumer satisfaction declines, profits decline. Questions begin to arise of certain issues such as employee production, company image, quality of product, ect. The NBA obviously spent time researching the pro's and con's of a purposed "dress code". It would be ignorant to assume that the NBA did not attempt to admister various field tests to determine the varying issues concerning consumer satisfaction. Well, it should be obvious, that the NBA, as well as other professional leagues (cough, cough baseball), have encountered a decline in consumer satisfaction due to the image of the league. Whether a dress code will be effective or not remains to be seen. I personally feel a mandatory dress code would draw in a larger fan base of viewers in the demographic area of ages 30-50. I doubt the NBA would lose a small portion, or any portion of their younger fan base. A suite and tie might be somewhat overboard. I would start small, such as a requirment of button up shirts. While this might be an effective policy, it is only a band aid covering a bullet-wound. I understand why Spurs fans in particular would be upset. The Spurs organization is considered, hands down, to have a level of class far superior to any other organization in this league. Yet, this organization, has maintained a very causal approach to media events mandated by the NBA. I believe the NBA is viewing this issue from too broad of an aspect. While the Spurs remain casual, they also have graciously assisted to the needs and desires of the community.

As Tim Duncan would say, or not,
"Actions speak louder than words"

[remingtonbo2001]

The Spurs should sign David Robinson to a 10 day contract. This event would surely demand media attention. David would walk in, t-shirt, jeans, himself. How could you, in good conscience, repremend the "Saint" of the NBA? While I agree with the basic concept of a mandatory dress code, I would love to see Stern try to manuver out of this one.

[NASHville]

Maybe a "grooming" code is necessary too so Steve and Dirk will do something with their hair.

[carina_gino20]

no! Didn't Tim have a bad night when he once wore a suit to a game.

Does it really matter what they wear?

[NASHville]

Most businesses have dress codes.
NBA is a business and the players are paid employees.
When they are on the bench they are employees.
Makes sense to me.

[polandprzem]

I think something got lost in the Polish to English translator. :lol :lol :lol
hehe Lost in Translation

(just one person noticed? hm - they are not reading my posts I suposse. Thanks for reading SpursWoman)
I just wanted to put some humor in that thread.


Okay - Obstructed_view
What do money have in common with the way people should dres?

[angel_luv]

As long as they are decent, I really don't care how anyone in the Leaque dresses.
I have always thought that it was the guys' call and they either look good or they don't.


However, that is real easy to say when everyone on my team dresses themselves well.
It is also easy when I don't have kids wanting to dress more ghetto than I am confortable with because some NBA stars do.

Perhaps I would see things more Stern's way if I had a vested interest in the issue.

[Obstructed_View]

Okay - Obstructed_view
What do money have in common with the way people should dres?
No more than money has to do with any situation. When the person paying you tells you how to dress, how to behave, or how to conduct your business, you say "yes sir" or you go away.

[Mixability]

Most businesses have dress codes.
NBA is a business and the players are paid employees.
When they are on the bench they are employees.
Makes sense to me.

So it shouldn't matter what they wear before they "clock in". They are employees during the 48 minutes on the court.

[Summers]

The autograph session is awesome. I cannot stand that professional atheletes don't want to sign something for a kid or a fan. What is the big deal? It takes no more than 10 seconds to sign your name on jersey or card. The fans make the NBA go. Period. They owe it to the fans. I don't give a crap what anyone says. If the fans were to quit buying tickets, buying the jerseys, and other souveniors, where would the players get their money from? I have seen a lot of kid and their parents get turned off by players who snub them when they are asking for a picture or an autograph. There are some that do take the time to sign items and pose for photos and I'll tell you this, the fans walk away with a great feeling. That's what its all about.

I know this is a side topic, but I've heard a lot of celebrities say they don't mind signing autographs for fans, but they don't like to do it for autograph hounds who are just going to turn around and sell it. I'm not sure why this is a big deal, but thought I'd add it to the mix.

[angel_luv]

I can't remember who posted it in here already, but I liked the perspective of Stern outlining a list of things not to be worn instead of insisting on everyone wearing a Sports coat.

[Kori Ellis]

So it shouldn't matter what they wear before they "clock in". They are employees during the 48 minutes on the court.

I guess that's the point. They aren't working for the NBA team only when they are on the floor. As sited in the article ...


The job is not only to go to practice and win games. The job is representing the NBA to all constituencies. Community relations. Public relations. Sponsor relations

The point being that when they are representing the team .. be it in media sessions, community events, etc .. that they are subject to whatever rules the NBA has in force .. including a dress code.

I don't know why this is so controversial to people. The article says it's part of the new CBA -- so the players already agreed to it (as many people have mentioned here). Though it appears the specific details aren't outlined yet. So whatever happens, the players have already decided it's okay by them.

[Kori Ellis]

I liked the perspective of Stern outlining a list of things not to be worn instead of insisting on everyone wearing a Sports coat.

I don't think that the sport coat thing is written in stone. The article says that Stern "expects" the new dress code to include sportcoats and no jeans. I don't think it's completely detailed out yet.

[angel_luv]

I am sure it will be fine.

I only object to the no jeans rule cause Rasho looks really good in them. = )

[IcemanCometh]

This rule is a joke. Professionalism belongs on the court, you can't legislate what players do or how they look when they are on their own time. Are they going to outlaw tattoos and facial hair next?

It's no surprise that the only one who supports this is Tpark. Why do you hate America so much.

[angel_luv]

To be fair, I don't think T-park was the only supporter.

[Kori Ellis]

you can't legislate what players do or how they look when they are on their own time.

They aren't saying anything about how they dress on their own time.

[Samr]

I look at it this way:

These players are being paid millions of dollars to PLAY a game. They have made their profession by playing the same game I'd play to blow off steam AFTER work, AS THEIR WORK. Most high-paying jobs require a suit and tie anyway, and their employees sit in a cubicle all day pushing papers, talking to irrational customers on the phone, or kissing the ass of a higher possition. And as far as bad uniforms go, ask almost any teenager about his summer job and I'm sure you will have a fantastic minimum-wage job for comparrison.

If Stern wants to do this, fine. I am all for it. Please note that I DO NOT think there is reason to implement such a code, but there is certainly no leverage on the players' side with which to argue it.

[angel_luv]

If Stern wants to do this, fine. I am all for it. Please note such a that I DO NOT think there is reason to implement code, but there is certainly no leverage on the players' side with which to argue it.

Why support something if you feel it serves no purposes?

I'm not being argumentative... just curious.

[IcemanCometh]

They aren't saying anything about how they dress on their own time.

So you're saying they want them to wear suits on the court? When they aren't playing the game or practicing they are on their own time. Who gives a fuck what they wear in the tunnel arriving to the game or in the lockeroom.

[Kori Ellis]

So you're saying they want them to wear suits on the court? When they aren't playing the game or practicing they are on their own time. Who gives a fuck what they wear in the tunnel arriving to the game or in the lockeroom.

Does the article say it's about what they wear when they are arriving to games?

From what I know, the dress code is about what they will wear on the bench when they are on the inactive list, what they will wear when doing publicity events, etc. I don't see anything about how they need to dress on the way driving to the game and entering the tunnel.

[Kori Ellis]

By the way, I looked through the CBA briefly and didn't find anything about the dress code. Does anyone know if it's actually in the CBA and if so, in what Article #?

[Vashner]

What the hell.. this is designed to punish Tim Duncan :)

He loves to relax in casual clothes..

Sterned!!

We need term limits on pro sports commisioners... they stay too long and get
too much corrupted power...

[angel_luv]

See and I thought they had to wear suits for post game interviews.
Maybe I misread.

It seemed like a pain for the guys to have to get all dressed up to give an hour's worth of interviews and then go home.

[Kori Ellis]

See and I thought they had to wear suits for post game interviews.
Maybe I misread.

It seemed like a pain for the guys to have to get all dressed up to give an hour's worth of interviews and then go home.

The article doesn't clearly state what events/times the dress codes is for (post practice interview, pre/post game interview, inactive bench, publicity/community events).

That's why I wanted to see the specifics written somewhere.

[angel_luv]

The article doesn't clearly state what events/times the dress codes is for (post practice interview, pre/post game interview, inactive bench, publicity/community events).

That's why I wanted to see the specifics written somewhere.

I am very interested too.

You'll have to tell us how the boys dress for Media Day, Kori.

[Samr]

Why support something if you feel it serves no purposes?

I'm not being argumentative... just curious.

I don't support it (i.e. I think there is no valid reason behind it), but I do believe he has every right to impliment the rule without arguement or complaint.

And don't worry about being argumentative. That's what makes discussion like this interesting :)

[ShoogarBear]

These players are being paid millions of dollars to PLAY a game. They have made their profession by playing the same game I'd play to blow off steam AFTER work, AS THEIR WORK.

WRONG.

They're being paid millions to make even MORE millions for a few even RICHER guys (owners, networks, and advertisers). The fact that they can do this playing basketball is just incidental.

And how come there's no dress code for the Mark Cubans of the league?

[angel_luv]

I don't support it (i.e. I think there is no valid reason behind it), but I do believe he has every right to impliment the rule without arguement or complaint.

And don't worry about being argumentative. That's what makes discussion like this interesting :)


I gotcha now! :)

[Pistons < Spurs]

Posted on Fri, Sep. 30, 2005


NBA said to be on verge of formalizing dress code

By PHIL JASNER

[email protected]

If the NBA is focused on making sure the quality and style of play is perceived as blue-collar, there is now also a movement that could mean the players - at least in certain instances - might also have to wear them.

The specifics of a dress code for, among other instances, injured or inactive players in street clothes on the bench during games, are still being formulated. Details have yet to be distributed to the 30 teams.

But commissioner David Stern told the Boston Globe Wednesday night that he expects the code to include sport coats and collared shirts, and exclude blue jeans. Stern was among the honorees at a National Braille Press event, and when asked about casual dress by the players, said, "Well, the job description has changed."

Stern said, "We're working on a job description."

Billy King, the 76ers' president and general manager, said yesterday, "There will be some new policy. When it comes down, we'll implement it."

Dan Wasserman, the director of communications for the National Basketball Players Association (NBPA), said, "We've agreed to discuss adopting some general guidelines for a dress code. As far as the specifics of what the league is proposing, we are actively seeking player input."

Stern said "some teams have more strict dress codes" than what the league is planning. King said the Sixers do not have a dress code, but recalled that, in the playoffs in recent seasons, players have been asked to wear sport jackets.

In an e-mail message, Tim Frank, the league's vice president of basketball communications, responding to a request yesterday to speak with Stern or deputy commissioner Russ Granik, said that "no one would be made available'' to comment because the details have not been finalized.

Stern told the Globe, in part, "Sometimes I worry that our players' intensity can be misconstrued and their effort can be misconstrued. They are the most intense, the most dedicated. I think the younger base of our fans understands that, but perhaps the mid-to-older aren't quite as attuned to it. We'd like to use our convening power to have people focus on this game and our great players, who they are and how they play, rather than their variance from some norm... Being neatly attired in a certain way, that's going to be our norm.''

Stern pointed out that referees dress a certain way when they enter league buildings, and that coaches do the same thing when they come on the court.

"We decided it was time [for the players],'' Stern said.

The new collective bargaining agreement, finalized in July, includes several new initiatives, including increasing the players' required minimum number of community-relations appearances from 10 to 12, and having them attend pregame autograph sessions and participate in pregame giveaways of T-shirts, etc.


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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2005-09-30-dress-code_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA

Posted 9/30/2005 12:36 AM Updated 9/30/2005 6:22 PM


NBA commissioner Stern wants players 'neatly attired'
From staff and wire reports
NBA Commissioner David Stern is concerned about the league's image and wants a dress code for players.

Stern told The Boston Globe for Thursday's editions that the league is working on a "job description" for players that will include "being neatly attired in a certain way." Players such as Tim Duncan prefer to dress casually, even on the bench.

The Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons brawl in November was a black eye for the league, and part of the new collective bargaining agreement is to improve the players' accessibility and professionalism.

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said details haven't been set.

Chicago Bulls forward Antonio Davis, the players union president, said the union would not be opposed to a dress code, depending to what extent it goes.

"I don't think it's fair for them to tell you exactly how to dress," Davis said. "You can't say no jeans. I've seen businessmen in jeans, a sports coat and nice shirt, and you say that's classy."

Davis thinks some younger players need direction and said, "If you watch a game and you see (injured) guys on the bench, you want to see professionalism."

[ambchang]

I could just never understand the mentality of "dressing" professionally. As long as you get your work done, and done well, I don't care that you did it in a G-string. But then, people always judge other's abilities based on appearance, what a lovely discrimination free society we live in.

[polandprzem]

No more than money has to do with any situation. When the person paying you tells you how to dress, how to behave, or how to conduct your business, you say "yes sir" or you go away.

In NBA if they go away the Sterns would not have 1/1000 money they are earning.
So?
Give me a reason why the players who is giving the leauge the money must wear what they say? It is not a normal company like you try to persuade.

[SequSpur]

I don't get the tie thing anymore. I use to wear ties all the time, but now, when I actually put one on, I don't get it, I don't get the fashion. I go for the slacks, nice casual dress shirt now without a jacket. It seems pretty common to.

I could never understand why car sales people wear ties and suits either. Its to fucking hot. Why would I want a sweaty mofo trying to sit in a car with me?

Get with the times.

[Obstructed_View]

In NBA if they go away the Sterns would not have 1/1000 money they are earning.
So?
Give me a reason why the players who is giving the leauge the money must wear what they say? It is not a normal company like you try to persuade.
The union agreed to it. Period. I'm really tired of having to try to explain this to you. You obviously aren't going to be made to agree with me. If the players don't like it, they can quit. If all of them don't like it they can quit, and there will be no more NBA, and then you can be happy because the poor NBA players are emancipated from Massa Stern and his whip.

[polandprzem]

hahaha Obstucted
:tu

you are a funny guy

I know what this is all about.

CONTROL

[Obstructed_View]

hahaha Obstucted
:tu

you are a funny guy

I know what this is all about.

CONTROL
Thank you for finally laughing before this starts sounding like a serious debate. Unfortunately you are wrong. It's about money. Corporate white America spends money on the NBA. The idea to have players wear suits is a smart business move. The union understands this as much as the league office, which is why most of the complaints are going to come from people that can't afford to buy tickets to an NBA game.

[polandprzem]

You know - but everybody have got a right to go to the NBA games.

The suits it's just too much.

Restrict some band or so. But suits?
and I think that they have to wear them near the arena in arena in front off cameras in in post game conference.

I want to see the indyviduality in players. Some of them are wearing suits some of tyhem not.

Imagine Jordan in the first his pro seasons in a suite. I remember him wearing a fur...

The funny thing would be seeing Rodman in suit

[ShoogarBear]

And how come there's no dress code for the Mark Cubans of the league?

Still waiting for an answer on this one.

[Kori Ellis]

Though the details still aren't laid out, here's what they are considering ...


Iverson to fight NBA's off-court dress code

By PHIL JASNER

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/12811765.htm

HE CAME INTO the NBA at 21, and couldn't fathom why people almost immediately wanted him to act, speak and dress as if he were 30. He said so even then, and some people reacted as if he were somehow being defiant or belligerent.

Yesterday, he sat at the podium for his 10th 76ers media day as the team's elder statesman and talked openly about the ways in which he had changed and grown, being more accepting, more understanding of situations, even gaining a grasp on the job and responsibility of the media.

But Allen Iverson, at 30, remains the same in one wonderful way. When he has something to say, he doesn't hold back. When he believes in a cause, he holds his ground. Even this time, when he had promised people within the organization that he wouldn't bring it up, that he would save it for another day, he couldn't help himself.

This was about the dress code that the league will be instituting this season. This was about rules that will stipulate wearing sports jackets and slacks to and from games, to and from charter flights, at team-related public appearances. And he wasn't happy.

"I look back on a lot of the mistakes I made, and I look back at just being young, just not knowing," Iverson said on the eve of training camp in Durham, N.C. "A lot of times I just reacted instead of thinking, not knowing, but thinking you know everything. I think that's what comes with maturity; I pray every day to become a better person, then a better basketball player.

" one way I haven't changed is my aggressiveness on the court, and when I feel a certain way about something I still stick to it when I think I'm right. I didn't change the way I dress like they're trying to make me do. I feel that is who I am; I dress to make myself comfortable. I really do have a problem with it. It's not fair."

Iverson was, is, will be hip-hop. He's not a mainstream, boardroom-style dresser. He has done it on occasion, as in the playoffs, but it is not in his makeup. It is hardly his style.

[B]The players don't yet have all of the specifics, but they know there will be a code, enforced via fines, etc. Some of the information came via Sixers guard Kevin Ollie, a returning player representative. Ollie prides himself on being jacket-and-tie stylish; he respects other players' rights to dress in a style that suits them.

"Hopefully, we can come to a happy medium, some type of compromise," Ollie said. "The idea should be for everybody to be respectful and neat."

Still, the rules - primarily described as business casual - will be there.

"Just because you put a guy in a tuxedo, it doesn't mean he's a good guy," Iverson said. "It sends a bad message to kids. If you don't have a suit on when you go to school, is the teacher going to think you're a bad kid? I never wore a suit going in any park I ever went to when I was coming up. I just came from Japan, where I saw thousands of kids; all of them dressed like me, from the biggest guy to the smallest.

"It's just not right. It's something I'll fight for. I promised I wouldn't get up here and try to destroy anybody trying to make that [rule], but it's not right."

There already are other changes in Iverson's 10th season, and he is ready for all of the others, from playing for a new coach - and old friend - Maurice Cheeks to a training camp with teammate Chris Webber to (shudder) the possibility of a few less minutes per game.

"I want to play the whole game, that's no secret, everybody knows that," Iverson said. "Me doing that, that's probably impossible. I'm so far gone mentally and in my career, it's one of those whatever-it-takes things to get that gold ball. I'm 10 years in, and it hasn't happened yet... Whatever [Cheeks] needs me to do, I'm all for it. If he wants to cut my minutes down, I'd have a problem with it, but it'll just go down like that."

He looks back on his time here in rapt fascination, and looks ahead with the eagerness and freshness of, well, a 21-year-old.

"I gave a lot to this city, I've done a lot for this organization," he said. "I fought my whole career here. I became a man here. Coming in from 20, 21 with my talents, everybody expected me to be some 30-year-old man like I am now, and be at the stage I am now. It wasn't possible [then]. I wasn't used to the attention, I wasn't used to the money, I wasn't used to being the main focus on an NBA team. I had a lot of learning to do; I had a lot of growing up to do. A lot of times, I learned the hard way.

"I went through hell here, from you guys [reporters], to coaching situations, even times with the fans. I really feel I'm a man [now]. Being here in Philadelphia helped me become just that. I wouldn't trade it for the world. I took my lumps, but I had some great times here. I even became friends with some of you all that I thought weren't my friends. I had to sit back and really understand this is your job. I play basketball; that's your job. I don't look at you any more as just devils coming straight at me. I look at it as, you all have bosses, you all have jobs. When you don't have your notebooks and pens, then I'll judge you off of that."

This was Allen Iverson, of all things, elder statesman.

"I never thought the day would come when I'd be the old head on the team," he said. "I've got a guy on the team [18-year-old Louis Williams] who, when I came into the league, was like 8 years old, or something like that."

And he also said something that, 10 years ago, you thought you'd never hear.

"I'm glad I'm still here," Allen Iverson said.

[picnroll]

If you had a vBookie about which player would protest the dress code and listed all 450 or so NBA players everyone would have guessed Iverson.

[angel_luv]

It would be interesting to hear the take of an NBA player in favor ( or at least not opposed) to the new dress code.

[Obstructed_View]

If you had a vBookie about which player would protest the dress code and listed all 450 or so NBA players everyone would have guessed Iverson.
Whups. I was going to post that he'd probably just do it and keep his mouth shut. Boy was I being optimistic. Bottom line, you can't tell spoiled millionaire punks what to do.

[Spurminator]

Maybe you shouldn't tell spoiled millionaire punks to do something stupid like wear khakis if they don't want to.

Good for Iverson.

[Obstructed_View]

Maybe you shouldn't tell spoiled millionaire punks to do something stupid like wear khakis if they don't want to.

Good for Iverson.
You shouldn't tell them to do anything they don't want to do, because they won't do it. That's the definition of a spoiled millionaire punk.

[Kori Ellis]

If Tim Duncan protests the dress code, would he be a punk too?

[Spurminator]

Fuck that. Maybe the owners and players who agreed to this are spoiled millionaire elitists. Maybe everyone who thinks players should wear suits everywhere is an elitist. Or maybe they're racist.

OR... Maybe Iverson just doesn't think it's right for the Players to cave in to stereotypes.

[ShoogarBear]

Man, it's amazing how the clothing Nazis have nothing to say about Mark Cuban.

[Spurminator]

Not that amazing.

I don't hear much talk about David Wells or Johnny Damon either.

[Kori Ellis]

On this issue, I think they'll compromise on the specifics. The players association obviously agreed to there being a dress code already.

Again, I think the "sports coat and slacks" part might be thrown out and exchanged for button down shirts and no jeans.

[PM5K]

If Tim Duncan protests the dress code, would he be a punk too?

He sure would be.

[angel_luv]

I appreciate the fact that Iverson ( and I'm sure many other players) have their own style and opinions.

But Iverson would do well to understand that when it comes to the NBA,like it or not, he is in Stern's playground.

So long as the NBA dress code is reasonable ( not super dressy) and restricted to game time functions, I don't see a problem.

Iverson is not getting picked on. A lot of people have to dressed up every day to go do jobs that are a lot less fun.

[Kori Ellis]

The weird part of the article to me is that it mentioned the dress code "to and from charter flights". Why would they care what they wore during travel? I would think they could wear bunny pajamas and no one should care.

[ducks]

basketball is fun

but I doubt they like the travel

how many would like traverling for 9 months out of the year for 15 years?

I know people who travel for aliving and do not like it. ofcourse these players get paid more then those but still

[ShoogarBear]

The weird part of the article to me is that it mentioned the dress code "to and from charter flights". Why would they care what they wore during travel? I would think they could wear bunny pajamas and no one should care.

Um, if I found out someone was wearing bunny pajamas on a charter flight, I would be very surprised.

Well, anyway now that Stevie and Cuttino are no longer teammates.

[angel_luv]

The weird part of the article to me is that it mentioned the dress code "to and from charter flights". Why would they care what they wore during travel? I would think they could wear bunny pajamas and no one should care.


I think it is because they get shown on the news.

Sometimes WOAI shows the guys on their way to board the plane or getting off of it at home.

[Kori Ellis]

I think it is because they get shown on the news.

Sometimes WOAI shows the guys on their way to board the plane or getting off of it at home.


Yeah I know why it is. I just think that would be ridiculous. If you were watching the news, why would you care what they were wearing on the way to the plane?

[Kori Ellis]

Well, anyway now that Stevie and Cuttino are no longer teammates.


Steve found a new friend.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051003/capt.flsa10110032058.orlando_magic_media_day_flsa1 01.jpg

[ducks]

I think they should be allowed to wear just boxers if they wanted to on the plane

[ShoogarBear]

I think Cuban requires the Mavs to wear just boxers . . .

[boutons]

"they wore during travel"

First I thought that the point was they would be conspicuous and identified as a apro-team moving through the airports, but do they walk through the terminals and through the public?

They take charter planes and charter buses, probably no public exposure when travelling.

[angel_luv]

Yeah I know why it is. I just think that would be ridiculous. If you were watching the news, why would you care what they were wearing on the way to the plane?


The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that Stern is looking for consistency in the player's dress whenever they are on the NBA's clock and being seen by the public.

Personally, I dress for comfort when I travel and see no problem with NBA players doing the same.

[picnroll]

Iverson has an image he wants to portray. He makes money off that image. Well Stern has an image he wants players to portray that I'm sure a ton of marketing research has determined is the monetary sweet spot for the NBA and its owners and players as a whole.

A ton of people have dress codes related to work that their bosses dictate. Hey if I'm a salesman why the fuck can't I make sales calls in my retro Raiders jersey and baggie pants? Wahhh, wahhh, wahhh for these poor NBA players.

[DesiSpur_21]

I am glad (not surprised) AI talked about it. It's BS to think you portray a better image by wearing coats or formal dressing.

If there is a lighter version of the dress code like "what's not decent while attending a post game press" that might do good. It's ridiculous to force them what they should while getting on/off the plane.

[Trainwreck2100]

more reason for Tim not to get injured.

[DesiSpur_21]

more reason for Tim not to get injured.

:lol :lmao

[milkyway21]

more reason for Tim not to get injured.hilarious!!:lmao :lmao :lmao


P.S.
wish Stern also included that NBA players shld and must not wear girl's dresses such as wedding gowns like Rodman :lol

[milkyway21]

i didn't expect this from Iverson..



Philadelphia superstar Allen Iverson has already said he will fight the NBA's strict off-the-court dress code. "I dress to make myself comfortable," he said. "I really do have a problem with it. ... It's just not right. It's something I'll fight for."
-- Philadelphia Daily News



hmmnnn.......

[Kori Ellis]

PRO BASKETBALL: League dress code gets mixed reaction
Sekou Smith - Staff
Wednesday, October 5, 2005

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/1005/05hawks.html

Anyone wondering just how serious the NBA is about cleaning up its act need only peek at the league's new dress code for players.

Problem is, none of the players have seen it yet --- the details are still being worked out before a written policy is disseminated to the masses. But they know it's coming. They've already been warned that a strict off-the-court dress code will be instituted this season.

Most notably, players will be required to wear business casual attire --- a sport coat and slacks --- for all team-related functions.

That includes wearing a coat and slacks on team flights, to and from games and at public appearances and team-related functions throughout the year. It's a rule endorsed by coaches and management types throughout the league, one that will be backed up by stiff, league-levied fines.

"I really think they're taking this thing too far," Hawks forward Josh Childress said Tuesday after the team's first training camp practice. "I understand where they're coming from. We all need to be neat and professional. But to ask us to wear suits everywhere, even at a hotel at 2 a.m. I think that's a bit much."

Even if the league hadn't come up with a policy, the Hawks were going to be required to clean up this season. Hawks coach Mike Woodson let it be known late last season that anyone expecting to be a part of his team would be required to wear a jacket on flights and on the bench when not in uniform.

"I'm glad the commissioner [David Stern] and the league are doing something," Woodson said. "This [rule] just cleans up everything our league is supposed to be about. This is professional basketball, and everybody has to act like a professional in this environment. We don't need guys on the bench in do-rags and [throwback] jerseys. We've got to clean up our act. These guys make enough money, they ought to clean up a little bit."

Philadelphia superstar Allen Iverson has already said he will fight the rule.

"I dress to make myself comfortable," he told the Philadelphia Daily News. "I really do have a problem with it. ... It's just not right. It's something I'll fight for."

Hawks veteran Tony Delk agrees with Iverson that the specifics he's heard are a bit drastic.

"I heard they're trying to work it out where we can wear a coat with jeans, a stylish look that's both casual but professional in this day and age," Delk said. "So I'm going to wait and see what they get done before I get too worried about it.

"They were fighting in suits last year in Detroit, weren't they?"

Delk was referring to the now infamous brawl between Indiana players and Detroit fans at the Palace of Auburn Hills last November, the incident some believe prompted the league's rule.

The league made clear its desire to clean up its image. But the players had no idea that the league would become fashion police.

"Listen, if they wanted to do this thing gradually I could understand that," Childress said. "Say you want us to wear slacks and a shirt this year, and then next year add jackets and whatever. But to do it all at once is just more than I think is necessary, to just jump up and say wear suits or you get fined is nuts."

[milkyway21]

But to ask us to wear suits everywhere, even at a hotel at 2 a.m. :rolleyes ???????

thanks for posting the whole article, Kori.

[Obstructed_View]

"Listen, if they wanted to do this thing gradually I could understand that," Childress said. "Say you want us to wear slacks and a shirt this year, and then next year add jackets and whatever. But to do it all at once is just more than I think is necessary, to just jump up and say wear suits or you get fined is nuts."
What, he can't afford to go shopping for all his clothes at once? Besides, if they have to tell you to wear a shirt, all hope is lost.

[Spurminator]

Doesn't sound like this was as collective a decision as it was once thought.

[milkyway21]

wearing suits is a clean image?


"They were fighting in suits last year in Detroit, weren't they?"

oopppps!

total hypocrisy!

next thing I read is they will try to ban cornrows.

[DesiSpur_21]

Doesn't sound like this was as collective a decision as it was once thought.

Yes. Looks like players were blindsided.

Corporate America might be bringing in the money but it's normal people who support the team and players - they don't care if players wear suits.

Just to improve the NBA image because of very few players with thuggish, street-cred attitude, you can't wrap all players with the so called "good image because of dressing" (which is fake anyway)

[John T]

Most notably, players will be required to wear business casual attire --- a sport coat and slacks --- for all team-related functions.

That includes wearing a coat and slacks on team flights, to and from games and at public appearances and team-related functions throughout the year.

Meaning charity events too, trips to hospitals, etc.?

Have the people writing these rules ever been to Texas in June? I understand the desire for them to look professional, but in my opinion a jacket is taking it too far. Especially if they're talking about enforcing it in all of these circumstances, not just at games.

The only people I know that would be influenced in their viewpoint of the professionalism of the players is my grandparents. They're convinced all NBA players are 'hoodlums' after the brawl last year, nothing I said could convince them otherwise. And I don't think the NBA is going to be making any money off of them, or make new fans because of the dress code anyway.


Carie

[CosmicCowboy]

That is gonna be plain weird seeing Tim in a suit. I think it would be hilarious if the "Boring" Spurs showed up at the first after game press conference in suits and shirts that met Sterns requirements...

Retro pimp costumes...


http://www.pimp-suits.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/pd-hs-vbb-gold-l-tn.jpg

[SenorSpur]

Hey, if I had the kind of "jack & cheese" these players get, I wouldn't care if the league asked me to wear a coat of armor as professional attire.

I'm not surprised at the backlash. It's customary for young guys to "thumb their nose" at authority or the establishment.

Look, we've all got certain rules and regulations that we must conform to while we're at work. If you don't like it, start your own league.

[angel_luv]

Timmy about to speak out on dress code on WOAI News at 10.

According to Don Harris.

[angel_luv]

Timmy said about the dress code. " It would be really disappointing.. very disappointing."

Someone, Don I think, asked if Timmy had any idea what kind of shirts and ties he would buy.
Timmy: " I don't wear shirts and ties."

[ObiwanGinobili]

Timmy about to speak out on dress code on WOAI News at 10.

According to Don Harris.

i tuned in at 10:26 - they were just talkign about timmy's school, church and pool....

did you see what he said???

[angel_luv]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

One step ahead of you


;)



Timmy said about the dress code. " It would be really disappointing.. very disappointing."

Someone, Don I think, asked if Timmy had any idea what kind of shirts and ties he would buy.
Timmy: " I don't wear shirts and ties."

[ObiwanGinobili]

Doesn't sound like this was as collective a decision as it was once thought.


i guess from now on they'll be hitting thier player representatives up about every issue o nthe table and not just raise %'s and contract limits.

[ObiwanGinobili]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

One step ahead of you


;)


yer quick! :)

[DesiSpur_21]

Timmy said about the dress code. " It would be really disappointing.. very disappointing."

Someone, Don I think, asked if Timmy had any idea what kind of shirts and ties he would buy.
Timmy: " I don't wear shirts and ties."

Way to go Timmy - We all love you.

:spin

[angel_luv]

Indeed we do. = )

[Kori Ellis]

Timmy said about the dress code. " It would be really disappointing.. very disappointing."

Someone, Don I think, asked if Timmy had any idea what kind of shirts and ties he would buy.
Timmy: " I don't wear shirts and ties

Okay .. now everybody who was calling Iverson a punk better call Tim Duncan a punk too.

You all were appalled at Iverson protesting the dress code and said Timmy would shutup about it and happily oblige.

[ShoogarBear]

Timmy said about the dress code. " It would be really disappointing.. very disappointing."

Someone, Don I think, asked if Timmy had any idea what kind of shirts and ties he would buy.
Timmy: " I don't wear shirts and ties."

That ungrateful bastard! How dare he! All that money he's making and he refuses to bow to the wishes of the league! NBA players are such thugs! [/ST Clothing Nazis]

[Summers]

The only people I know that would be influenced in their viewpoint of the professionalism of the players is my grandparents. They're convinced all NBA players are 'hoodlums' after the brawl last year, nothing I said could convince them otherwise. And I don't think the NBA is going to be making any money off of them, or make new fans because of the dress code anyway.


This is exactly what I've been thinking. I don't necessarily have a problem with a dress code, but I don't understand Stern's reasoning. NBA fans aren't going to care how the players dress; and people who think of NBA players as "punks" aren't going to be swayed by nice suits, unless, as someone pointed out, Stern also wants to start making rules about corn rows and tattoos.

And just because you require a person to wear a suit doesn't mean he's going to look good. Think Shaq in his pimp suits. :lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

And just because you require a person to wear a suit doesn't mean he's going to look good. Think Shaq in his pimp suits. :lol


this isn't the strongest point to use in your argument..... Snaq doesn't look good in anything. :D

:lmao:lmao

[SWC Bonfire]

I don't think it would hurt Tim Duncan to wear pants and a sport coat. Nobody said anything about ties, or even collared shirts, did they?

The only backlash is that we might get Miami-vice like outfits coming back into the stream of national consciousness.:lol