Hillary Clinton: 13 minutes of lies

[TheSanityAnnex]

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Bring your largest shield Reck

[Reck]

Haven't you posted this before? This is old as fuck so I'm surprised if this wasn't posted before.

[z0sa]

Haven't you posted this before? This is old as fuck so I'm surprised if this wasn't posted before.

Typical deflecting Hillary voter.

[Reck]

Typical deflecting Hillary voter.

Feeling a little blue?

[Wild Cobra]

What ever is posted in the OP, for some reason I can't see. However, I honestly think that anyone who supports Hillary is a complete loser.

Please...

Those of you supporting Hillary, can you tell me why?

[boutons_deux]

Those of you supporting Hillary, can you tell me why?

I don't suport Hillary, but she'd be miles better than any Repug.

[hater]

What ever is posted in the OP, for some reason I can't see. However, I honestly think that anyone who supports Hillary is a complete loser.

Please...

Those of you supporting Hillary, can you tell me why?

Cosign this shit. Neocon shillary supporters, you have the mic open....

[tlongII]

I don't suport Hillary, but she'd be miles better than any Repug.

Trump would be way better than Hillary.

[Reck]

Trump would be way better than Hillary.

How?

You're comparing shit with shittier, remember.

[Mitch]

How?

You're comparing shit with shittier, remember.

Trump is less of a warhawk, tbh. That's a pretty big deal

[Reck]

Trump is less of a warhawk, tbh. That's a pretty big deal

Trump is an enabler.

If one is to take him seriously, he'll hand out nuclear weapons to other countries so they can nuke each other. How's that better?

I would like to think Hillary learned her lesson with Iraq. That decision to support the war has haunted her ever since. What are the odds she would get embroiled in another one, entirely of her making? That's a lot less likely now.

Trump is too much of a wild card to be left unchecked imo. As lame as Hillary is I think we know what we get with her as POTUS.

[boutons_deux]

... as if Cruz and Donny weren't rated bigger liars by all the fact checkers.

Repugs are so self-fucked and unfuckable.

They will lose the WH election because

"Donny wasn't conservative enough, not a real conservative, so Repugs must triple-down being more crazy extreme right wing sociopaths, racists, xenophobes, LGBT haters, and BigCorp whores"

[tlongII]

Trump is an enabler.

If one is to take him seriously, he'll hand out nuclear weapons to other countries so they can nuke each other. How's that better?

I would like to think Hillary learned her lesson with Iraq. That decision to support the war has haunted her ever since. What are the odds she would get embroiled in another one, entirely of her making? That's a lot less likely now.

Trump is too much of a wild card to be left unchecked imo. As lame as Hillary is I think we know what we get with her as POTUS.

The focus of the POTUS needs to be on the economy right now. Trump is better equipped to deal with economic issues than Hillary.

[boutons_deux]

"The focus of the POTUS needs to be on the economy right now."

:lol

Have you seen Trump's tax plan? :lol

his only economy focus is cutting $Bs in taxes for himself and other 1%ers. :lol

[Reck]

The focus of the POTUS needs to be on the economy right now. Trump is better equipped to deal with economic issues than Hillary.

:lmao

The economy is the last thing Trump should be in charge of.

He'll tank it just like he did all of his businesses. Right into the fucking ground. rofl

[Pelicans78]

Trump is an enabler.

If one is to take him seriously, he'll hand out nuclear weapons to other countries so they can nuke each other. How's that better?

I would like to think Hillary learned her lesson with Iraq. That decision to support the war has haunted her ever since. What are the odds she would get embroiled in another one, entirely of her making? That's a lot less likely now.

Trump is too much of a wild card to be left unchecked imo. As lame as Hillary is I think we know what we get with her as POTUS.

But she didn't learn her lesson Iraq. She did the same thing in Libya and wants to put troops in Syria to remove Assad out of power. So no, she hasn't learned her lesson.

[RandomGuy]

Trump would be way better than Hillary.

No, he wouldn't.

Trump is the singularly least qualified person to run in living memory.

LOL reality TV star, really?

[RandomGuy]

The focus of the POTUS needs to be on the economy right now. Trump is better equipped to deal with economic issues than Hillary.

http://thedailyvoicenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Trump-failures.jpg

[RandomGuy]

May 1, 2016
The Art of the Con: the Trump U Fraud Case:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/the_art_of_the_con_the_trump_u_fraud_case.html


As long as we are on the subject of “New York values”, let is consider the New York lawsuit against one Donald J. Trump and his “university” which alleges that Trump defrauded thousands of students who spent tens of thousands hoping they could benefit from his professed business acumen. The case has been woefully under-covered by a largely Trump-leaning media, but it could soon be as important to Trump as the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton’s emails and server could be to the former First Lady.

It is a built-in, ready made counter, that will have an active, ongoing trial as backdrop.

There will be a steady drip of news out of this that will take a bit of shine out of the "he's really for the average person". Kind of hard to make that credible when you are accused of defrauding average people with a souped-up bullshit seminar that has a "university" label slapped on it.

[boutons_deux]

The Art Of The Inside Deal: How Regulators Rescued Trump

it was one carefully calculated response by one of his attorneys that saved Trump from financial collapse—just two years after Trump had proposed himself as a vice-presidential running mate for George H. W. Bush.

That moment, when New Jersey’s Casino Control Commission decided that Trump was too big to fail, was rich with lessons not just about Trump, but about how government can favor some people over others—and about how lots of journalists, then and now, don’t understand Trump.

From 1985 until 1990 Trump was awash in greenbacks. Over those four and a half years profits at his enterprises flowed into his pockets at the rate of $10,000 an hour in cash, around the clock.

At the time, Trump told me and everybody else that he was worth $3 billion. It was a dubious claim for a simple reason. If he was that rich, why was he unable to pay his bills as they came due?

In February 1990 Trump quit paying many of his personal bills. Reporting then for the Philadelphia Inquirer, I got his personal financial statement, which showed that he expected his income to fall to $748,000 in 1992 and to $296,000 the year after. That’s a lot of money to most people, but not to a “billionaire” with a personal 727 jet to maintain.

In April casino regulators made public a document showing Trump was down to his last $1.6 million.

Payments on more than a billion dollars of bonds on his three Atlantic City casinos came due every 90 days, but as the next payments loomed Trump lacked the money to make them.

About 100 vendors at the newly opened Trump Taj Mahal casino had not been paid. Many contractors took legal action to protect their interests.

And the Trump Shuttle, equipped with what Trump said were gold sinks, was down to $1 million cash, not enough to pay employees and keep the fleet of Boeing 727s fueled, or to pay for constant repairs, since almost all the planes were more than 20 years old.

As April ended, I broke the story that Trump’s own personal financial statement showed he was worth far less than he claimed.

All this and more forced the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement (DGE) to do something it had failed to do for years — examine Trump’s finances, to see if he met a critical legal requirement to own a casino, namely that he was financially stable.

The basic standard was simple: the ability to pay bills as they came due. If you had to roll over old debt into new, that was fine with casino regulators, so long as you did not miss payments. The law put the onus on Trump to establish his financial stability by “clear and convincing evidence.”

As the DGE moved in, Trump’s bankers had an accounting firm go over his finances. I summarized their report showing

he had a negative net worth of $295 million this way: You may well be worth more than Donald Trump.

That story ran above the masthead of the Inquirer’s front page with the headline “Bankers Say Trump May Be Worth Less than Zero.”

... and lots more.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-art-of-the-inside-deal-how-regulators-rescued-trump/

:lol

He would be focused on the economy (of his personal tax bills)! :lol

[boutons_deux]

"Obama joked about Trump's foreign policy experience, saying, "There's one area where Donald's experience could be invaluable, and that's closing Guantanamo. Because Trump knows a thing or two about running waterfront properties into the ground." "

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/white-house-correspondents-dinner/stars-arrive-obama-gets-one-more-chance-zing-correspondents-dinner-n565431

Trump responded that he has "the best waterfront properties in the world :lol so I don't even know what he's talking about."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-says-obama-nice-job

... excluding Trump's waterfront properties in Atlantic City.

[tlongII]

http://cdn.buzzpo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trust-more-than-Hillary.png

[tlongII]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/09/03/donald_trump_s_wealth_he_isn_t_only_rich_because_o f_his_dad.html

Donald Trump may be a bankruptcy court recidivist and serial exaggerator of his net worth, but some recent criticisms of his business skills may have—shockingly—gone overboard. At Vox, Dylan Matthews has a piece titled "Donald Trump isn't rich because he's a great investor. He's rich because his dad was rich." The gist is that in 1974, long before he had turned his family name into a global byword for garishness, the current GOP front-runner inherited a $40 million stake in his father's real estate empire. If he had simply liquidated it and invested the cash in the S&P 500, he would—maybe—be about as rich as he is today. Here's the math:



If someone were to invest $40 million in a S&P 500 index in August 1974, reinvest all dividends, not cash out and have to pay capital gains, and pay nothing in investment fees, he'd wind up with about $3.4 billion come August 2015, according to Don't Quit Your Day Job's handy S&P calculator. If one factors in dividend taxes and a fee of 0.15 percent—which is triple Vanguard's actual fee for an exchange-traded S&P 500 fund—the total only falls to $2.3 billion.


It's hard to nail down Trump's precise net worth, but Bloomberg currently puts it at $2.9 billion, while Forbes puts it at $4 billion. So he's worth about as much as he would've been if he had taken $40 million from his dad and thrown it into an index fund.


Of all the criticisms you could lob at Trump, this is a weirdly weak one.1 Basically, the man took a $40 million kernel and, while spending lavishly enough to surround himself with all the gold-plated bathroom fixtures his heart desired, managed to do a 26 percent better job growing his fortune than if he had quietly left it to grow in stocks without selling a single share or spending a single dividend check for 41 years. I'd say that's pretty good. How many actual money managers could brag they'd done the same with their clients' cash?2


Of course, Trump is not strictly an investor. Throughout his career he has been a real estate developer and manager, a builder of golf courses, a casino magnate, a reality TV host, a celebrity who slaps his name on assorted buildings for a fee, a hawker of power ties, and much more. This cuts against the idea that he is merely a glorified trust-fund kid: Rather than sit on his wealth while someone else saw to its care, he decided to jump into a number of highly entertaining, risky, and at times ill-advised business ventures, which have collectively turned him into an international celebrity. He took risks with the money he was given, and they seem to have paid off over time, both financially and personally. Meanwhile, Trump runs a company with thousands of employees. Whatever wealth he has created for himself, the total value that his company has created over the years is probably far greater.



Finally, it's a little strange to criticize someone who isn't a money manager for failing to trounce the stock market's returns. The S&P 500 is not a benchmark index for real estate conglomerates. You could argue Trump has done worse than some his fellow developers, but that's a different issue.



Anyway, now that I've spent a few hundred words defending Trump's business, I feel the need for a shower. Would the short-fingered vulgarian be fabulously rich today without the start his father handed him? My guess is not. But claiming that his father's money is the only reason he's a billionaire today? That's a little unfair, even to a boor like Trump.



1Not to get hung up on details, but it's worth noting that the first S&P Index Fund wasn't founded until 1975. Meanwhile, Vanguard exchange traded funds, or ETFs, didn't show up until 2001.


2All of this assumes that Bloomberg's estimate is close to accurate. Also, Trump's assets aren't very liquid, which makes valuing them versus stock a bit tricky.

[Mitch]

Trump is an enabler.

If one is to take him seriously, he'll hand out nuclear weapons to other countries so they can nuke each other. How's that better?

I would like to think Hillary learned her lesson with Iraq. That decision to support the war has haunted her ever since. What are the odds she would get embroiled in another one, entirely of her making? That's a lot less likely now.

Trump is too much of a wild card to be left unchecked imo. As lame as Hillary is I think we know what we get with her as POTUS.

That's a bunch of assuming, Reck. Hillary guarantees us more interventionist wars. She has the track record, Trump is an unknown commodity about that but at least he wants isolation based projection of power.

[tlongII]

http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/727169840776118272/photo/1

[rmt]

These people who blithely compare his assumed net worth with what the S&P 500 index has done are leaving out the money he has lavishly lived on all these years. That's not peanuts - he flies around in a private jet, paid alimony and child support, provides livelihoods for all his kids (and I assume their spouses too), and have you seen where he lives? That's not even counting the thousands of people who he directly employs - jobs that investing in an S&P 500 fund would not necessarily create.

[boutons_deux]

These people who blithely compare his assumed net worth with what the S&P 500 index has done are leaving out the money he has lavishly lived on all these years. That's not peanuts - he flies around in a private jet, paid alimony and child support, provides livelihoods for all his kids (and I assume their spouses too), and have you seen where he lives? That's not even counting the thousands of people who he directly employs - jobs that investing in an S&P 500 fund would not necessarily create.

You Trump-sucking assholes gonna be crushed in November, just like Donny.

[pgardn]

No one knows what Trump believes in. He lies and changes his mind constantly.
I have yet to meet a Trump supporter who can stand up to any sort of questions.

And its the same with so many voters. They can't really give you a position or quality they like about a candidate, just negatives about the opposition. Trump understands graft therefore he may have an easier time stopping it. He understands how businessmen can take advantage of government loopholes so he will be versed in closing them. Hillary has made foreign policy mistakes but at least she understands how to deal with other countries. She has been in the thick of it. There ya go...

Hillary is going to win. At least voters could see Cruz for what he is. Choosing Trump over Ted is a no brainier. So do I believe in Amerca's ability to choose wisely... in this reduced field.

[tlongII]

No one knows what Trump believes in. He lies and changes his mind constantly.
I have yet to meet a Trump supporter who can stand up to any sort of questions.

And its the same with so many voters. They can't really give you a position or quality they like about a candidate, just negatives about the opposition. Trump understands graft therefore he may have an easier time stopping it. He understands how businessmen can take advantage of government loopholes so he will be versed in closing them. Hillary has made foreign policy mistakes but at least she understands how to deal with other countries. She has been in the thick of it. There ya go...

Hillary is going to win. At least voters could see Cruz for what he is. Choosing Trump over Ted is a no brainier. So do I believe in Amerca's ability to choose wisely... in this reduced field.

LOL at Hillary knowing how to deal with other countries.

[boutons_deux]

"He understands how businessmen can take advantage of government loopholes so he will be versed in closing them."

:lol Holy shit. He'll sign every Repug bill with every kind of BigCorp/1% loophole attached. His tax plans, true to his wealthy class and Class Warfare, makes HIM much more wealthy. :lol

"she understands how to deal with other countries. "

:lol Bribe, extort, threaten, embargo them, then bomb and invade them. Worked great in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. She installed the military dictatorship in Egypt.

Anybody got any proof that Hillary advanced peace and cooperation among nations as Senator or Secy of State? (not that it would offset her Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc)

[rmt]

You Trump-sucking assholes gonna be crushed in November, just like Donny.

Trump (and Bernie) may lose - but at least they've brought more awareness of how rigged the system is. I can't believe the way in which some of these delegates are chosen. And the democrats' super delegates - that's like the establishment choosing the candidate. Why bother voting?

[pgardn]

LOL at Hillary knowing how to deal with other countries.

So Trump will force Mexico to build a wall. Hillary has 100x Trump's experience.


"He understands how businessmen can take advantage of government loopholes so he will be versed in closing them."

:lol Holy shit. He'll sign every Repug bill with every kind of BigCorp/1% loophole attached. His tax plans, true to his wealthy class and Class Warfare, makes HIM much more wealthy. :lol

"she understands how to deal with other countries. "

:lol Bribe, extort, threaten, embargo them, then bomb and invade them. Worked great in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. She installed the military dictatorship in Egypt.

Anybody got any proof that Hillary advanced peace and cooperation among nations as Senator or Secy of State? (not that it would offset her Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc)



And one from boots. How will Trump be better on foreign affairs boots? These are your candidates.

So I got both extremes to shell out the fruitbat comments.

See what we got here are recalcitrant ninnies, boots and thin-thong, who can only spew insults. No candidate could possibly have a positive. These are the types of citizens who hate too much, and act on nothing. Cowards.

[DJR210]

As much as I dislike Trump's bullshit, fucking Hillary is gonna be way worse. I want to hold her throat with one hand and beat the fucking stupid fake ass expressions off that cunts face until she goes into a coma. She's annoying as fuck

[FkLA]

This cunty, slithering snake is unbelievable. I hope she gets assassinated while in office tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JCwtn85Fdw

starts at 3:28

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As much as I dislike Trump's bullshit, fucking Hillary is gonna be way worse. I want to hold her throat with one hand and beat the fucking stupid fake ass expressions off that cunts face until she goes into a coma. She's annoying as fuck

So you think Trump would be better than the status quo?

People that get reflexively mad are weak-willed btw. You must be an absolute joy.

[DJR210]

So you think Trump would be better than the status quo?

People that get reflexively mad are weak-willed btw. You must be an absolute joy.

Go use your gender neutral restroom

[Gummi Clutch]

How?

You're comparing shit with shittier, remember.
don't reason with these dumbasses...:lol

In a thread about Hillary lying they are advocating for a guy that changes his mind every day, and determines his net worth to be how he's "feeling" :rollin


At least Hillary is competent.

[Gummi Clutch]

This cunty, slithering snake is unbelievable. I hope she gets assassinated while in office tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JCwtn85Fdw

starts at 3:28
Of course she's a snake, but if you're asking to shove a knife up my ass or shit our shards of glass..I'm taking the knife.


You're not gonna vote for trump are you? He wants to send your people to build a wall and then trick you guys to walking over to the other side before he locks the door.

[Reck]

don't reason with these dumbasses...:lol

In a thread about Hillary lying they are advocating for a guy that changes his mind every day, and determines his net worth to be how he's "feeling" :rollin


At least Hillary is competent.

Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters are equality retarded, I've come to find out.

Wierdly enough Hillary seems to be the most honest of all the candidates. A while back fact checkers made a chart of who was full of shit and this was the results.

http://bluenationreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/politifact-meter.png

19 pants on fire for Trump. :lmao

What a crock of shit.

[Gummi Clutch]

Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters are equality retarded, I've come to find out.

Wierdly enough Hillary seems to be the most honest of all the candidates. A while back fact checkers made a chart of who was full of shit and this was the results.

http://bluenationreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/politifact-meter.png

19 pants on fire for Trump. :lmao

What a crock of shit.
Dude is a masterful manipulator...I can't believe how stupid some of his supporters are. Cruz was a pos, but calling him "lying Ted" was ironic to say the least. Bernie is a good man tbh, just can't stand his supporters they are a bit crazy.

Hillary, I'm not too big a fan of because I don't like the idea of political families---its borderline nepotism. However, she is one tough fucking cookie and probably one of the most competent people to ever run for office. While doo doo head complained about being asked "tough" questions and the debates being too long she stood in front of pointless questioning for like 15 hrs straight. Elizabeth Warren, one of the most brilliant political minds in this country mentioned that Hillary was the smartest student she ever came across, picking up one of her complex bills in the span of a couple of minutes. If someone is going to steer this country in the right direction, they need to be competent.

Thats why she gets my vote.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Go use your gender neutral restroom

Oh noes homophobic tough guy smack!

[TeyshaBlue]

So you think Trump would be better than the status quo?


Gary Fucking Busey would be better than the status quo. The status quo is the problem.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gary Fucking Busey would be better than the status quo. The status quo is the problem.

Change for the sake of change?

[tlongII]

Change for the sake of change?

Absofuckinglutely.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Absofuckinglutely.

Jumping blindly is for fools.

[Reck]

Gary Fucking Busey would be better than the status quo. The status quo is the problem.

That would be true if a whole nation wasn't at stake.

Trump would be a disaster for this country economically. Does a guy who has gone banrupt more than once and says things like "I love playing with debts" sound like a guy you want handling our economy?

Call me crazy but I will take a steady economy like it is now to a tanked economy.

Dont believe Trump when he says he'll bring jobs back from China or whatever. Same guy who has his hats and campaign gear made there.

[rmt]

Trump does hundreds of ventures. If 4 go bankrupt, that's a good percentage. He flies around in a private jet so obviously he's doing well. It's not like we don't see the visible buildings with his name on it and with real estate value going through the roof - well... Debt is a good thing if handled well. If I can get a 3+% mortgage and free up my money, invest and make more than that 3+%, then that debt is a good thing. The lower that interest rate, the more it makes sense to invest elsewhere. That is exactly the sort of guy with business sense that I want handling the country's economy. Do you think that someone with a history or political science degree which is typical of these politicians would be better at finance?

[tlongII]

Jumping blindly is for fools.

I'm not jumping blindly. I can clearly see what Hillary has done and will continue to do.

[Reck]

Trump does hundreds of ventures. If 4 go bankrupt, that's a good percentage. He flies around in a private jet so obviously he's doing well. It's not like we don't see the visible buildings with his name on it and with real estate value going through the roof - well... Debt is a good thing if handled well. If I can get a 3+% mortgage and free up my money, invest and make more than that 3+%, then that debt is a good thing. The lower that interest rate, the more it makes sense to invest elsewhere. That is exactly the sort of guy with business sense that I want handling the country's economy. Do you think that someone with a history or political science degree which is typical of these politicians would be better at finance?

He has been a disaster with the projects he's been directly involved. The ones that have been successful were because he was just a "partner" and not actually involved in in planning the project.

As for the visible buildings with his name...well its a brand. He licenses it to developers so they can use it on their own buildings. He gets paid for people to use the trademarked name.

Let's not give the guy too much credit. He's mostly got riched off an already made empire that his father made.

[Warlord23]

Gary Fucking Busey would be better than the status quo. The status quo is the problem.

BS. You'd almost certainly vote for Obama if he ran for another term compared to any of the nominees on both sides.

[TeyshaBlue]

Change for the sake of change?
No. Change for the express purpose of shaking the tree of the established parties. Trump nearly cleaved the GOP easily. It was waiting to happen.

[TeyshaBlue]

BS. You'd almost certainly vote for Obama if he ran for another term compared to any of the nominees on both sides.

Incorrect.

[boutons_deux]

Gary Fucking Busey would be better than the status quo. The status quo is the problem.

whine hole, etc, have NO suggestions, just silly, hopeful positivity.

Do you have any suggestions how to improve the declining status quo of Americans, America as fucked and unfuckable?

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As Wealthy Surge, U.S. Poor and Middle Class Incomes Have Gone Backward

Poorer households saw their income drop from a median of $26,373 in 1999 to $23,811 in 2014,

Middle- and low-income households in the U.S. made less money in 2014 than they did in 1999 as the middle class lost ground in almost 90 percent of the country's metropolitan areas, a new analysis (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/05/11/americas-shrinking-middle-class-a-close-look-at-changes-within-metropolitan-areas/) by the Pew Research Center released Wednesday has found.
The report looked at 229 of the 381 federally designated "metropolitan statistical areas" in the U.S., from Seattle to Boston, which accounted for 76 percent of the nationwide population in 2014. It found that poorer households saw their income drop from a median of $26,373 in 1999 to $23,811 in 2014, while middle-class incomes fell from $77,898 to $72,919 in that same time period.

The erosion of the middle class came as household incomes decreased, "a reminder that the economy has yet to fully recover from the effects of the Great Recession of 2007-09," Pew said—but more than that, it is a reflection of rising income inequality.

The report continues:

The current and future status of the American middle class continues to be a central issue in the 2016 presidential campaign. Moreover, new economic research suggests that a struggling middle class could be holding back the potential for future economic growth. The national trend is clear—the middle class is losing ground as a share of the population, and its share of aggregate U.S. household income is also declining.


With fewer families in the middle tier, the gap between rich and poor is widening, the report found, with the share of adults in lower-income tiers rising in 160 areas.

The report follows a previous Pew analysis (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/12/10/deepening-inequality-driving-us-middle-class-oblivion)which found that for the first time in more than 40 years, the middle class is no longer the majority in America.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/12/wealthy-surge-us-poor-and-middle-class-incomes-have-gone-backward

40 years? since 1975?

That's exactly when the VRWC "movement conservatism" got organized, started financing VRWC stink tanks like Heritage and Cato, and appointing extreme right wing judges throughout the judiciary, etc, etc.

Capitalism is great, ONLY for the capitalists.

[Spurminator]

Gary Fucking Busey would be better than the status quo. The status quo is the problem.

Sure, the status quo has flaws but you don't improve the status quo by putting someone who reflects the worst of it, and none of the best of it, in charge.

[CosmicCowboy]

The only way to help the middle class is to get growth back over 4%. it creates demand for qualified labor and causes competition for employees and higher wages. You don't get there by geometrically increasing the nanny state.

[Warlord23]

Incorrect.

Care to elaborate? What do you think a Trump / Cruz / Clinton would do to improve things?

[TeyshaBlue]

Care to elaborate? What do you think a Trump / Cruz / Clinton would do to improve things?

Cruz? Nothing. Worse actually as he continues the Bataan death March to the social far right.
Clinton? She is the consummate neobliberal and embodies virtually all the flaws of our current system.
Trump? Nothing good other than the continued destruction of the GOP.

[TeyshaBlue]

Sure, the status quo has flaws but you don't improve the status quo by putting someone who reflects the worst of it, and none of the best of it, in charge.

Omlettes, broken eggs et al.

[TeyshaBlue]

HERP! DERP!

I start by not posting shit from shitty blogs.

[Th'Pusher]

The only way to help the middle class is to get growth back over 4%. it creates demand for qualified labor and causes competition for employees and higher wages. You don't get there by geometrically increasing the nanny state.

And what's your policy recommendation for a return to 4% growth rates, which we haent seen since the late 90's and was driven by a massive tech bubble?

[Warlord23]

The only way to help the middle class is to get growth back over 4%. it creates demand for qualified labor and causes competition for employees and higher wages. You don't get there by geometrically increasing the nanny state.

You need sustainable growth over 4% to help the middle class. One-off events (e.g. Massive public spending post the Great Depression, World War 2) obviously can't be replicated. Tax cuts and deregulation only work in a supply-constrained environment - they worked (along with some bad side-effects) in the Reagan era but haven't worked since (G. W. Bush). Starting wars in oil-rich countries hasn't delivered sustained growth and has led to global instability. More drilling / fracking won't do the trick because prices and wages will continue to fall or grow slowly.

This isn't an easy problem to solve. Trump's protectionism may have worked 60 years ago, but with a globally connected economy and multinational corporations, it will be disastrous to start trade wars. I suspect that there are no quick fixes - a viable solution is likely a long-term one that will involve improving the educational / research ecosystem, better digital infrastructure at lower cost, relax regulations for startups and small firms in targeted sectors, etc. Simplistic solutions like "roll back the nanny state" or "free education" disregard practicality and are purely ideological.

[CosmicCowboy]

You need sustainable growth over 4% to help the middle class. One-off events (e.g. Massive public spending post the Great Depression, World War 2) obviously can't be replicated. Tax cuts and deregulation only work in a supply-constrained environment - they worked (along with some bad side-effects) in the Reagan era but haven't worked since (G. W. Bush). Starting wars in oil-rich countries hasn't delivered sustained growth and has led to global instability. More drilling / fracking won't do the trick because prices and wages will continue to fall or grow slowly.

This isn't an easy problem to solve. Trump's protectionism may have worked 60 years ago, but with a globally connected economy and multinational corporations, it will be disastrous to start trade wars. I suspect that there are no quick fixes - a viable solution is likely a long-term one that will involve improving the educational / research ecosystem, better digital infrastructure at lower cost, relax regulations for startups and small firms in targeted sectors, etc. Simplistic solutions like "roll back the nanny state" or "free education" disregard practicality and are purely ideological.

Small businesses drive employment in the US and it really is extremely difficult for them to comply with all the government bullshit.

[boutons_deux]

"You need sustainable growth over 4% to help the middle class."

you mean GDP growth?

that's no help for the 90%, since nearly all economic gains, like 90%+, have been going to the top 1% since 2008, aka, USA is a plutonomy.