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djohn2oo8
05-02-2016, 06:14 PM
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Larry Bird on Frank Vogel's future with #Pacers: “I don’t know what’s going to happen." (link: http://indy.st/1TrDdFW) indy.st/1TrDdFW


is he good or terrible?
Kawhitstorm
05-02-2016, 06:18 PM
is he good or terrible?

He's a poorman's Jeff Van Gundy:lol
Robz4000
05-02-2016, 06:23 PM
I'd cut him loose and rebuild tbh. Thought he had potential as a coach but he's regressed the last three years.
Pelicans78
05-02-2016, 06:23 PM
He's a good coach. Not much talent outside of Paul George.
Kawhitstorm
05-02-2016, 06:24 PM
I'd cut him loose and rebuild tbh. Thought he had potential as a coach but he's regressed the last three years.

Del Negro is a better offensive coach than that scrub.:lol
Kawhitstorm
05-02-2016, 06:26 PM
He's a good coach. Not much talent outside of Paul George.

Their offensive execution was shitty even when the had David West/Granger.

He could have used Monta Ellis to run PnRs w/ Turner (ala the Mavs) & take pressure of PG but he turned him into a spot up shooter.:lol
spurraider21
05-02-2016, 07:22 PM
it's not like they're going to get anybody better. they should keep him around
whitemamba
05-02-2016, 07:32 PM
George needs to split
spurraider21
05-02-2016, 07:37 PM
George needs to split
your mother's cheeks
RsxPiimp
05-02-2016, 07:46 PM
he's been an awful coach and may have cost indiana a title shot in 2013 iirc...he reminds me of Steve van gundy, he just panicks and folds in crucial situations
whitemamba
05-02-2016, 08:20 PM
your mother's cheeks

Im sure hes tired of splitting your moms, well who hasnt?
100%duncan
05-02-2016, 08:26 PM
he's been an awful coach and may have cost indiana a title shot in 2013 iirc...he reminds me of Steve van gundy, he just panicks and folds in crucial situations

Indiana wasn't beating the Spurs that year :lol
djohn2oo8
05-04-2016, 06:11 PM
Larry Bird looking to bring in McHale if Vogel isnt retained.
LkrFan
05-04-2016, 06:34 PM
Vogel >>>> Lurch :lol
djohn2oo8
05-04-2016, 06:36 PM
Vogel >>>> Lurch :lol

Rockets waiting on Vogel, if he is let go.
siraulo23
05-04-2016, 06:40 PM
Vogel is a good leader, great motivator and respected by the players

but not a great X's and O's coach
Clipper Nation
05-04-2016, 08:16 PM
Vogel is so overrated, Paul George makes him look good. Dude single-handedly blew a winnable series this year by putting an all-bench lineup in the fourth quarter on a team with no bench :lol
HarlemHeat37
05-04-2016, 10:09 PM
Vogel is an average coach that hasn't evolved since he entered the league, but of course NOBODY is putting any blame on Larry Bird, one of the worst GMs in the NBA:lol..

The beloved, untouchable Larry Bird, one of the ugliest men in the history of humanity..

The only other athlete that White people wouldn't dare say a bad word about is Peyton Manning, tbh..
DMC
05-05-2016, 10:15 AM
Fired
Killakobe81
05-05-2016, 01:29 PM
Their offensive execution was shitty even when the had David West/Granger.

He could have used Monta Ellis to run PnRs w/ Turner (ala the Mavs) & take pressure of PG but he turned him into a spot up shooter.:lol

This. Solid coach, but vastly overrated.
Killakobe81
05-05-2016, 01:29 PM
Vogel is an average coach that hasn't evolved since he entered the league, but of course NOBODY is putting any blame on Larry Bird, one of the worst GMs in the NBA:lol..

The beloved, untouchable Larry Bird, one of the ugliest men in the history of humanity..

The only other athlete that White people wouldn't dare say a bad word about is Peyton Manning, tbh..

Troof ...
Bombs.

Bird was a bad ass player though ...
Killakobe81
05-05-2016, 01:30 PM
Bird traded Kiwi for George Hill ...Bird should fire himself for that tbh ...
DMC
05-05-2016, 01:46 PM
George Hill wasn't a slouch, but he's no Kawhi Leonard.
whitemamba
05-05-2016, 02:20 PM
Bird traded Kiwi for George Hill ...Bird should fire himself for that tbh ...

That must sting Larry lol.
Splits
05-05-2016, 02:27 PM
Bird traded Kiwi for George Hill ...Bird should fire himself for that tbh ...

After 14 other teams passed on him...
DMC
05-05-2016, 02:32 PM
After 14 other teams passed on him...
Yeah, no one knew Kawhi would be the best 2-way player in the game, especially not Spurs fans.
Killakobe81
05-05-2016, 02:49 PM
After 14 other teams passed on him...

Sure they passed on him but it was indy that traded him away PG and Kiwi might be faves in the east over LeBron ...but we will never know ...
Killakobe81
05-05-2016, 02:49 PM
To be fair maybe kiwis offense develops slower in Indy ...
ambchang
05-05-2016, 03:51 PM
Kawhi wasn't a highly touted player coming out of college, Hill was traded for a 14th pick, and at that point, it was a right price.

It was a horrible decision in retrospect even though George Hill was worth the 14th pick in most drafts, Kawhi just performed beyond all expectations.
Spurs9
05-05-2016, 04:33 PM
Kawhi wasn't a highly touted player coming out of college, Hill was traded for a 14th pick, and at that point, it was a right price.

It was a horrible decision in retrospect even though George Hill was worth the 14th pick in most drafts, Kawhi just performed beyond all expectations.
Exactly they traded for a pick right? There was a chance he could have been taken before the 14th. Not to mention Khawi might not be the same player if he got drafted by another team seeing as how the Spurs have developed talent. Cojo was a scrub that the Spurs developed into a pretty solid player. The Pacers probably wouldn't have even selected Leonard if they had the pick so the point is moot.
spurraider21
05-05-2016, 04:35 PM
i think indiana made a mistake. he's nothing special but he's average/passable which is better than anybody they're going to replace him with
baseline bum
05-05-2016, 06:14 PM
Bird traded Kiwi for George Hill ...Bird should fire himself for that tbh ...

Leonard was an undersized 4 with a completely broken jump shot. No one could have reasonably predicted his career trajectory becoming what it has. I don't think the Spurs even worked him out before the draft and thought best case scenario was getting another Bruce Bowen. Look at how he was rated at the time:

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kawhi-leonard

And getting Hill for a mid first round pick in what most considered a really weak draft isn't bad. And the Spurs made the deal largely because they weren't going to pay a backup point guard $8 million a year and Hill wasn't good enough to dump a prime Parker for. As much as we all like to tout RC's greatness, this was largely luck on the GM side of the equation. Of course it was anything but on the work Kawhi and the assistant coaches put in.

The Ginobili pick was luck too. Now the Parker pick was brilliant, Buford badly wanted him and tried to trade into the lottery and then into the late teens to get him.
spursistan
05-05-2016, 07:13 PM
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GM Bird :lmao
DMC
05-05-2016, 08:50 PM
Jesus. It's the same recycled garbage from team to team. I'd like to see fresh blood brought up from College, from overseas, from somewhere other than other failed experiments. It's like saying you remodeled your home when all you did was move the furniture from room to room and paint the walls. "hey this should raise our home's value"
Kawhitstorm
05-05-2016, 10:18 PM
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I bet it ends up being Mark Jackson since he played for Bird & can claim to have developed Curry/Klay.
DMC
05-05-2016, 10:20 PM
I bet it ends up being Mark Jackson since he played for Bird & can claim to have developed Curry/Klay.

Bird wants up-tempo. He'll go with Mike D.
Kawhitstorm
05-05-2016, 10:33 PM
Bird wants up-tempo. He'll go with Mike D.

D'Antoni's system is useless without an elite point guard, G-Hill::lol
Killakobe81
05-06-2016, 06:44 AM
D'Antoni's system is useless without an elite point guard, G-Hill::lol

Raven was laughing at me defending him on offense in the Rox thread ...
But if you want a vet coach who is proven to run uptempo DMC is right that is where Bird will probably go.