NBA will send a memo tomorrow saying Waiters fouled Gino...

[ElNono]

and nothing happens, per par... :pctoss

[KenziE]

What good is the fuckin memo for ? Thats right nothing fuck those memos

props to C Webb calling out the refs

[Keepin' it real]

They will say Manu crowded him, so no foul.

[urunobili]

Manu had a WIDE open floater FTW instead went to Mills... I hope they start suspending refs. Thanks CWeb for standing to what's right.

[SAGirl]

That was a bitter end. Hate bad refereeing in general but in close games it's brutal.

Memo the following day is pointless.

[SAGirl]

Mills was terrible the entire 4th Q.

[hater]

and nothing happens, per par... :pctoss

we got our chance at the end. crying about it is faggot, faggot

kawhi choked is the truth...

[Mister Sinister]

Acknowledging you fucked up but not correcting the fuckup doesn't actually do anything.

[808]

Pop on the last sequence: "Something happened :pop:"

[SpursforSix]

Spurs still had the ball a good look and a time out. Non issue. Need to come back strong next game.

[afireinside20]

Tomorrow they'll admit they missed the call., and it won't fucking matter yada yada yada. Fuck those faggot refs, and the nba media jackasses

[midnightpulp]

Who cares. If that piece of garbage Mills would've "showed up" like he always does, we win.

Leonard also played like a scared little bitch. 41 points from LMA gone to absolute waste because the rest of this team is offensively challenged. At least the client showed up. Poop needs to seriously fuckin' consider giving 10 of D-League's minutes to Manu.

[Darius Bieber]

Spurs had a chance to win it and didn't take it. That's not on the refs, that's on the Spurs.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Pop being a pussy per par not calling out the refs

[ElNono]

kawhi choked is the truth...

this faggot got one right

[Harry Callahan]

Gifted to Thunderrefs. Horseshit officiating once again. What the hell are these officials looking at. Waiters contacted Manu with his elbows and held it too long. The turnover should have happened with 13 seconds left. The Spurs could have set up for a better shot.

These officials suck. It was an abortion. And the idiots from OKC still almost blew the game with all the help they got.

BTW, I'm sick of the officials letting Leonard get bounced around like a pinball for 40 minutes.

You can't fart on the WChimp. Same old shit.

Spurs are winning this f'in series but they have more to fight than the five on the floor.

[ace3g]

And of course, Manu is involved...

[Mugen]

Patty had an open look, wasn't even close. He could have even pump faked and had an even more wide open look or passed and gotten a better look but he blew it. Kawhi shit the bed, Pop was even worse.

That missed call suck but Spurs have no one to blame themselves for losing this one. And they need to quit crying and go win some games in OKC.

[Russo21]

Yep good call my CWEBB to stand up for what's right. Sorry though, we didn't deserve to win this game. Only LMA showed up and played well. That's not gonna cut it.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Marc Davis everyone

[itzsoweezee]

The fact that Marc Davis is refereeing this game is a fucking joke. That guy is fucking terrible. He has no place officiating a playoff game.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-best-worst-referees-20160131-story.html

[offset formation]

Manu had a WIDE open floater FTW instead went to Mills... I hope they start suspending refs. Thanks CWeb for standing to what's right.

[davidbowie]

duhh

[Mikeanaro]

we got our chance at the end. crying about it is faggot, faggot

kawhi choked is the truth...
Nope, refs took our chance faggot, if they did the opposite you would say OKC had its chance you triple standard whore.
What was doing your girl Adams? moping the floor with his balding head fall after fall?

[vander]

lol still covering for Manu, and starting a new thread for it :lol

[Chomag]

It was a clear elbow thrown...should be a game suspension at the least but ya...wont be a thing just as the refs not calling the technical foul....OKC cheated and refs let them nothing else to see here i guess

[baseline bum]

What the fuck was Ginobili thinking? Three from an ice cold Mills with like 8 seconds left and only down one? Fuck the no-call, your boy blew the game tonight Nono.

[ace3g]

A couple of things on that final play, 1. thought it was 5 sec violation. 2. Wish Green could have handled the ball quicker and located Mills leaking out. 3. If only Manu would have followed the break with Green and Mills, might have had a better option on the break.

[ElNono]

lol still covering for Manu, and starting a new thread for it :lol

:lol thread has nothing to do with Manu, he could've fouled Boban for all I care. It's the NBA and the stupid next day memos that don't do shit.

[hater]

we got our chance at the end. crying about it is faggot, faggot

kawhi choked is the truth...

after watching the last play of the game. Manu choked too. bigtime

[Chillen]

Gino was fouled on the OKC inbounds but what lost them the game was after the steal Ginobili didn't shoot the shot but made a nifty pass to Mills who shot an air ball pretty much. They only needed 2 points to win the game, imo Gino should have shot the ball. If Spurs drop both games in OKC, this game is gonna come back to bite them in the ass. Anyway Spurs got a reality check, OKC is gonna be a tough out, the Spurs have to play better to win the series.

[spurtech09]

Spurs will bounce back...book it....Spurs are going to be fired up because of the D waiters play.....

[ElNono]

What the fuck was Ginobili thinking? Three from an ice cold Mills with like 8 seconds left and only down one? Fuck the no-call, your boy blew the game tonight Nono.

Bought him a clean look. Heck, Patty had time to pump fake and get an even cleaner shot. Nobody was there until Patty actually took that shot.

[ace3g]

Similar reaction to :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLL1ByAJb6M

[Arcadian]

Leonard also played like a scared little bitch.

What makes you say that? He made some strong moves, just missed some shots.

Agree about Mills, though. Fucking Mills.

[Arcadian]

Bought him a clean look. Heck, Patty had time to pump fake and get an even cleaner shot. Nobody was there until Patty actually took that shot.

That last shot needed to be at the basket. When you have an on-fire Aldridge and at least two other guys cutting to the basket - AND the refs just missed a call, so they're primed for a makeup call - you're gonna score or get to the line.

[SpursFan86]

They'll probably admit they missed the call, but bring up how a violation should've been called on Manu first for stepping out of bounds.

[HarlemHeat37]

Eh, it was a bad no-call, but the Spurs didn't deserve this W, tbh..

[hater]

What the fuck was Ginobili thinking? Three from an ice cold Mills with like 8 seconds left and only down one? Fuck the no-call, your boy blew the game tonight Nono.

cosign this mofo

[Beaverfuzz]

They will say Manu crowded him, so no foul.


Yep.

The inbounds play didn't decide the game, the shitstorm afterward did.

[Spurs9]

They will probably send a official tweet

[ElNono]

Yep.

The inbounds play didn't decide the game, the shitstorm afterward did.

Meh, the game was decided long before, with shitty ass play

[ducks]

Green should have called time out

[afireinside20]

Aldridge deserved itthough, boy played his ass off

[Beaverfuzz]

Meh, the game was decided long before, with shitty ass play

But, even with the shitty ass play, the Spurs had the ball with a shot to win the game at the end. They bricked it.

[CGD]

Got flashes of the Brent Barry game against the Lakers and his Delorian comment.

[itzsoweezee]

He had two fucking violations in Marc Fucking Davis' face and that asshole didn't call even one. Fuck the NBA if they let this asshole call another playoff game.

[ElNono]

But, even with the shitty ass play, the Spurs had the ball with a shot to win the game at the end. They bricked it.

It's great we fought to the end, but we really made it hard on ourselves. Not taking anything away from OKC, but Kawhi and Pop were generally awful WAY before the last few plays.

[Wildcat67]

The hilarious thing was that it was very close to a 5 second violation by anyone that can keep time. But, when you look at the ref that should have called the foul, he was still counting down from 2 when the pass was made. So even without that foul he was also gonna give them 7 seconds to inbound it.

[Obstructed_View]

Going for three down one. Brilliant.

[siraulo23]

If the spurs got a layup out of that, nobody would be saying anything :lol

[SPURt]

Mills should've pumped and taken the foul. Adams was not gonna be able to stop.

[Splits]

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[Darius Bieber]

Anyone notice that the clock also start before anyone touches the ball??

[Splits]

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[ploto]

Manu did step on the line first.

[Splits]

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[Wildcat67]

They call that we get a technical foul shot to tie the game, and the ball to win.

[RD2191]

Tbh I still blame Mills. Fucker airballed a wide open corner 3. Wtf man.

[UZER]

727352940235628544

It wasn't missed. It was completely ignored.

[Darius Bieber]

Clock starts before anyone touches the ball.

https://streamable.com/4nl4

[StrengthAndHonor]

3v1 and you guys couldn't convert a simple lay up, SMH

[StrengthAndHonor]

"And that was after a fan grabbed Adams after he contested Mills' 3. Wow..." Lol

[Splits]

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[808]

727349361785626624

LMA's face hahaha

[StrengthAndHonor]

727358025070186497
Manu stepped On the line, should've been delay of game on Spurs

[Harry Callahan]

Waiters is Beta loser. Deserved a technical with the elbow. I've seen bruce bowen ejected from a game for less than that.

[DPG21920]

Manu stepped On the line, should've been delay of game on Spurs

No. That is not the intent of that rule. You are able to jump up and down and stepping on the line barely then re-establishing yourself is not a violation. It's intended to prevent defenders from crossing the line intentionally to gain an edge or touching the inbounder.

You see that happen all the time and the intent is not for minor infraction like that.

[coachmac87]

727358025070186497

Clearly 5 sec call and that angle shows his foot that touched out of bounds was nowhere near Waiters. That's a terrible blown call and Magic said it could be worst ever

[SAGirl]

Gino was fouled on the OKC inbounds but what lost them the game was after the steal Ginobili didn't shoot the shot but made a nifty pass to Mills who shot an air ball pretty much. They only needed 2 points to win the game, imo Gino should have shot the ball. If Spurs drop both games in OKC, this game is gonna come back to bite them in the ass. Anyway Spurs got a reality check, OKC is gonna be a tough out, the Spurs have to play better to win the series.
I am sure young Manu would have gone for the drive and drawn a foul or gotten a good look. He didn't think he had a good chance bc the bigs were right at the rim and a shot blocked is a run in transition to seal the game on the other end most likely. I can't blame Manu for this one. I thought he actually got us back in this game and he's not at the point he should be saving this team from stinkers when younger guys don't show up....

Mills though.... he was crap the entire 4th Q. Not running the offense or getting others set up, but chucking contested shots from the midrange himself and he was off to top it off. He just didn't have a good game and there were too many guys in that same boat, but Manu wasn't on it.

[Trainwreck2100]

Manu stepped On the line, should've been delay of game on Spurs

before or after 5 seconds?

[grjr]

Clock starts before anyone touches the ball.

https://streamable.com/4nl4

And you can see that Mark Davis is the ref that started the clock early too. He starts it with his left hand. He definitely shouldn't be reffing in the playoffs.

[StrengthAndHonor]

No. That is not the intent of that rule. You are able to jump up and down and stepping on the line barely then re-establishing yourself is not a violation. It's intended to prevent defenders from crossing the line intentionally to gain an edge or touching the inbounder.

You see that happen all the time and the intent is not for minor infraction like that.

Be that as it may, there were a lot of pulling, tugging etc, including a Spurs fan grabbing Steven Adams' arm when there's still time in the clock. The Spurs had ample opportunity to close it out but couldn't. Waiters nudge didn't decide the game.
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[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Referee Marc Davis:

* Doesn't call the shove
* Doesn't call the travel on Waiters jumping to throw inbounds
* Starts clock as soon as ball leaves Waiters hand

Wonder what kind of bonus that sack of shit will get from the league for that.

[baseline bum]

Clearly 5 sec call and that angle shows his foot that touched out of bounds was nowhere near Waiters. That's a terrible blown call and Magic said it could be worst ever

http://i.imgur.com/ONSepA7.png

[cd98]

Why are the Spurs always on the losing end of these controversial calls?

[cd98]

Be that as it may, there were a lot of pulling, tugging etc, including a Spurs fan grabbing Steven Adams' arm when there's still time in the clock. The Spurs had ample opportunity to close it out but couldn't. Waiters nudge didn't decide the game.
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I agree that the call didn't cost the Spurs the game. But is grabbing a jersey a foul? I mean it happens on every possession.

[Beaverfuzz]

Clock starts before anyone touches the ball.

https://streamable.com/4nl4

Doesn't matter, with the scrum down on the floor at the end, time would have run out. Non-issue.

[Keepin' it real]

Referee Marc Davis:

* Doesn't call the shove
* Doesn't call the travel on Waiters jumping to throw inbounds
* Starts clock as soon as ball leaves Waiters hand

Wonder what kind of bonus that sack of shit will get from the league for that.

And after Patty shot the 3, he didn't even look at the potential contact by Adams. His eyes were glued to the ball. He was in sports fan mode. Best seat in the house.

[littlecoyotecoin]

They'll probably admit they missed the call, but bring up how a violation should've been called on Manu first for stepping out of bounds.

This will be their out for that no-call, drawing a moral equivalency between something that happens quite frequently, and something that basically never happens.

[cd98]

Clock was a non issue but man did Patty rush that three. He had 3 more seconds to fake and let Adams bump into him or put the ball on the floor and get a midrange.

[Beaverfuzz]

Referee Marc Davis:

* Doesn't call the shove
* Doesn't call the travel on Waiters jumping to throw inbounds
* Starts clock as soon as ball leaves Waiters hand

Wonder what kind of bonus that sack of shit will get from the league for that.

Actually looking at that replay, inexcusable that he missed the traveling call on Waiters. Everything else was very minor compared to that.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

727349361785626624

Ref staring right at it and ignores it, fix was in

[Mugen]

http://i.imgur.com/ONSepA7.png

:lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

I agree that the call didn't cost the Spurs the game. But is grabbing a jersey a foul? I mean it happens on every possession.
No, they don't call a violation on those especially in the closing seconds. I'm just stating that there were a billion things going on that could've decided the game, but this one just isn't meant for the Spurs. On to game 3.

[baseline bum]

How many fucking breaks do Spurs fans want to win the game? They blew it. Luckily OKC constantly gives games away in the fourth like they tried to tonight, so the Spurs should be fine in this series.

[DPG21920]

So one last clarification on a few things:

O The intent of the rule about guarding an inbounds is not for what Manu did. It's why you see that happen all the time and never called. It's designed to prevent a defender from gaining an unfair advantage and/or touching the inbounder.

O Even if you wanted to go by the letter of the rule (which from my understanding is the incorrect interpretation of the rule) then Waiters, before Manu steps on the line, has the ball over the inbounds line which is a violation.

But just like that wasn't called because it's not the intent, Manu's wasn't called. The only missed call was Waiters push there and it was egregious.

[spurtech09]

Mills should've pumped and taken the foul. Adams was not gonna be able to stop.Thinking the same thing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Actually looking at that replay, inexcusable that he missed the traveling call on Waiters. Everything else was very minor compared to that.

The dude started the clock as soon as it left the hands of Waiters. Either ridiculously incompetent, or fixed.

[spurtech09]

Be that as it may, there were a lot of pulling, tugging etc, including a Spurs fan grabbing Steven Adams' arm when there's still time in the clock. The Spurs had ample opportunity to close it out but couldn't. Waiters nudge didn't decide the game.
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Pulling a Jersey? lol......

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So one last clarification on a few things:

O The intent of the rule about guarding an inbounds is not for what Manu did. It's why you see that happen all the time and never called. It's designed to prevent a defender from gaining an unfair advantage and/or touching the inbounder.

O Even if you wanted to go by the letter of the rule (which from my understanding is the incorrect interpretation of the rule) then Waiters, before Manu steps on the line, has the ball over the inbounds line which is a violation.

But just like that wasn't called because it's not the intent, Manu's wasn't called. The only missed call was Waiters push there and it was egregious.

That's a really good point about extending the ball over the line by Waiters.

Davis missed THREE violations and started the clock early. That sack of shit should have been on the podium after the game to explain himself.

[Spurtacular]

Just asked in game thread; but maybe better here...Is that foul by the inbounding player supposed to be 1 FT and the ball or no?

[808]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJEoEQvNO6s

Cwebb is legit mad

[spurtech09]

Spurs are going to win game 3...book it...

[808]

And Adams is legit mad at someone in the crowd for pulling his arm :lol Go Spurs(fans) go!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Just asked in game thread; but maybe better here...Is that foul by the inbounding player supposed to be 1 FT and the ball or no?

It's up to the referee's discretion, based on the rule book.

At a minimum, it should have been an offensive foul and Spurs ball. If the ref deems the contact excessive, they can call it a technical, which would have resulted in a technical FT and the ball.

[Spurtacular]

http://i.imgur.com/ONSepA7.png

My nigga Magic with the goods. Could care less about Imam's trolling, tbh.

[SpursFan86]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChgktiEUgAAfhNM.jpg

[Spurtacular]

It's up to the referee's discretion, based on the rule book.

At a minimum, it should have been an offensive foul and Spurs ball. If the ref deems the contact excessive, they can call it a technical, which would have resulted in a technical FT and the ball.

TNT guys spouted technical; but it seems like a tech is rarely called on a basketball play. That tends to be reserved for extracaricular activities. I wasn't sure if it may also have qualified as a dead ball foul applicalbe to one shot. For instance, intentionally fouling an offensive man without the ball is a one shot and the ball foul.

[peskypesky]

What the fuck was Ginobili thinking? Three from an ice cold Mills with like 8 seconds left and only down one? Fuck the no-call, your boy blew the game tonight Nono.

Spurs collectively lost the game tonight, except for the mighty Aldridge. Manu just put the icing on the sh-t cake with that bone-headed pass. IDIOT.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChgktiEUgAAfhNM.jpg

The only ref in position to make that call was Davis, and he blew it, along with three other mistakes on that final play. Incompetent at best, crooked at worst.

[baseline bum]

Spurs fan needs to quit the fucking crying. It was a foul, but how much better could things have turned out on that play? Instead of having to make a difficult inbounds pass they had control of the ball anyways with 10 seconds left and OKC scrambling like hell and not in any position to defend the play. The Spurs choked. Manu shouldn't have made that pass and Mills should have hit that wide open shot. I hope the players are willing to take a lot more responsibility for this loss than our fanbase wants to assign them.

[DPG21920]

:lmao Didn't see it even though Davis handed the ball to Waiters and was standing out of bounds right next to him with clear view of Manu/Watiers.

OK!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

TNT guys spouted technical; but it seems like a tech is rarely called on a basketball play. That tends to be reserved for extracaricular activities. I wasn't sure if it may also have qualified as a dead ball foul applicalbe to one shot. For instance, intentionally fouling an offensive man without the ball is a one shot and the ball foul.

I was talking with a buddy after a game who is a D1 ref, he couldn't believe they didn't call the offensive foul call. He thought the whole 'never seen it before' explanation was crap, said they should have called Waiters for either the ball being extended over the sideline or jumping to pass (travel).

Davis screwed that last play up about every way possible. :td

[DPG21920]

Spurs fan needs to quit the fucking crying. It was a foul, but how much better could things have turned out on that play? Instead of having to make a difficult inbounds pass they had control of the ball anyways with 10 seconds left and OKC scrambling like hell and not in any position to defend the play. The Spurs choked. Manu shouldn't have made that pass and Mills should have hit that wide open shot. I hope the players are willing to take a lot more responsibility for this loss than our fanbase wants to assign them.

Spurs still had a timeout. So if they got pressure on the inbound, they had at least a timeout to try again. They could have had a set play instead of having Danny/Mills against a defense that was still able to contest.

Ya, I would take that call please.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurs fan needs to quit the fucking crying. It was a foul, but how much better could things have turned out on that play? Instead of having to make a difficult inbounds pass they had control of the ball anyways with 10 seconds left and OKC scrambling like hell and not in any position to defend the play. The Spurs choked. Manu shouldn't have made that pass and Mills should have hit that wide open shot. I hope the players are willing to take a lot more responsibility for this loss than our fanbase wants to assign them.

Patty seemed to own up to it in the postgame, and Manu said it wasn't the difference in the game.

I'm far more worried about Patty's continued struggles than the game to game eff and flow for the Spurs so far in this postseason. If Patty's going to continue to shoot at college bench wing percentages this postseason, gonna be a short series against Golden State (still not worried about this series).

[baseline bum]

Spurs still had a timeout. So if they got pressure on the inbound, they had at least a timeout to try again. They could have had a set play instead of having Danny/Mills against a defense that was still able to contest.

Ya, I would take that call please.

So Pop could have called the timeout. But he didn't because the Spurs were in a way better position to score without OKC having setup their defense. You only want the timeout because you can condition on knowledge the Spurs already blew the game without it.

[Spurtacular]

The fact that Marc Davis is refereeing this game is a fucking joke. That guy is fucking terrible. He has no place officiating a playoff game.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-best-worst-referees-20160131-story.html

Three company men getting the best tag? That's Lebron, Curry etc approving of the cheating. Scott Foster and Marc Davis are sh** though. They got that right. Lauren Holtkamp is one of the best officials in the association; maybe the best. She's in the face of misogyny though.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurs still had a timeout. So if they got pressure on the inbound, they had at least a timeout to try again. They could have had a set play instead of having Danny/Mills against a defense that was still able to contest.

Ya, I would take that call please.

Agreed, not taking the timeout was probably the most maddening piece of the whole sequence. Pretty significant error by a veteran club.

[Darius Bieber]

Spurs fan needs to quit the fucking crying. It was a foul, but how much better could things have turned out on that play? Instead of having to make a difficult inbounds pass they had control of the ball anyways with 10 seconds left and OKC scrambling like hell and not in any position to defend the play. The Spurs choked. Manu shouldn't have made that pass and Mills should have hit that wide open shot. I hope the players are willing to take a lot more responsibility for this loss than our fanbase wants to assign them.

This tbh. Don't start slow at fucking home. Make those easy layups which the Spurs missed a million of in the first quarter. Make your free throws, etc... This game was NOT won or lost because of that no call. Hell, the Spurs even got the steal and a FUCKING THREE ON ONE FAST BREAK and blew it. This team does not deserve to win.

[Spurtacular]

I was talking with a buddy after a game who is a D1 ref, he couldn't believe they didn't call the offensive foul call. He thought the whole 'never seen it before' explanation was crap, said they should have called Waiters for either the ball being extended over the sideline or jumping to pass (travel).

Davis screwed that last play up about every way possible. :td

The explanation is crap. The player can jump though, I believe. I'm pretty sure it's normal travel rules; have to keep a pivot. If he landed before passing, it's a travel. Did he land and throw it? Then yes, it'd be an obvious travel.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

So Pop could have called the timeout. But he didn't because the Spurs were in a way better position to score without OKC having setup their defense. You only want the timeout because you can condition on knowledge the Spurs already blew the game without it.

If we had an offensive foul called then we give the ball to Aldridge and take a 2-0 series lead. We got fukt.

[Spurtacular]

Was OKC in the bonus, btw? That's free throws if so.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The explanation is crap. The player can jump though, I believe. I'm pretty sure it's normal travel rules; have to keep a pivot. If he landed before passing, it's a travel. Did he land and throw it? Then yes, it'd be an obvious travel.

NBA rule 10:

Section IV-Thrower-in
a. A thrower-in shall not (1) carry the ball onto the court; (2) fail to release the ball within 5 seconds; (3) touch it on the court before it has touched another player; (4) leave the designated throw-in spot; (5) throw the ball so that it enters the basket before touching anyone on the court; (6) step over the boundary line while inbounding the ball; (7) cause the ball to go out-of-bounds without being touched inbounds; (8) leave the playing surface to gain an advantage on a throw-in; (9) hand the ball to a player on the court.
EXCEPTION: After a field goal or free throw as a result of a personal foul, the thrower-in may run the end line or pass to a teammate behind the end line.
b. Once an official recognizes the designated player to throw the ball in, there shall be no change of the thrower-in unless the offensive team makes a substitution, there is a regular or 20-second timeout or a suspension of play.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the original spot of the throw-in.

[baseline bum]

Agreed, not taking the timeout was probably the most maddening piece of the whole sequence. Pretty significant error by a veteran club.

I don't think it was. End of game possessions have really low percentages for success when you're battling the clock and a set defense from halfcourt. The smart move was to go for the win while OKC's defense was in chaos, and Pop knew it, so he didn't call the timeout.

[Trainwreck2100]

Was OKC in the bonus, btw? That's free throws if so.

not if it was an offensive foul

[baseline bum]

If we had an offensive foul called then we give the ball to Aldridge and take a 2-0 series lead. We got fukt.

The Spurs never got fucked. They could have called a timeout, but didn't, because they had an advantage they wanted to exploit and did. But Patty choked.

[SpursFan86]

Yeah, as bullshit as the missed call was, pinning the loss on that is stupid. Blame it on Pop's shitty rotations, or Kawhi shitting the bed in the 4th, or the team fucking up that last possession, or any other of the numerous mistakes the team made...not the refs missing a call (even though it was pretty fucking blatant).

Spurs had their chances, and couldn't capitalize. It is what it is, on to the next game.

[Hoops Czar]

and nothing happens, per par... :pctoss

Who cares? Spurs got a better look than if they actually called a timeout to set up a play.

[kaji157]

On a second look I don't see a shoot for 38 go Manu on the last play. He could have forced a floater but going right to left with his right hand was not the best option.

[SouthernFried]

Mills was terrible the entire 4th Q.

So, where was our starting PG?

Benched, cause he was even worse.

[baseline bum]

And Adams is legit mad at someone in the crowd for pulling his arm :lol Go Spurs(fans) go!

That's a pretty chickenshit move from whatever fan that was if that's what really happened.

[Hoops Czar]

So, where was our starting PG?

Benched, cause he was even worse.

You obviously didn't watch the game.

[baseline bum]

Who cares? Spurs got a better look than if they actually called a timeout to set up a play.

Everyone is too bitter about the loss to realize this. A live ball turnover is so much better than a dead ball turnover for trying to score. If Pop didn't agree he would have called timeout.

[SouthernFried]

Patty seemed to own up to it in the postgame, and Manu said it wasn't the difference in the game.

I'm far more worried about Patty's continued struggles than the game to game eff and flow for the Spurs so far in this postseason. If Patty's going to continue to shoot at college bench wing percentages this postseason, gonna be a short series against Golden State (still not worried about this series).

I'm more worried about our starting PG...than our backup PG. Who was in the game, because our starting PG can't be relied upon.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

The Spurs never got fucked. They could have called a timeout, but didn't, because they had an advantage they wanted to exploit and did. But Patty choked.

Yes but if called correctly that opportunity never arises and we give the ball to Aldridge and win the game... Not sure what you dont understand about this...

[Keepin' it real]

Ginobili's flopping reputation may have contributed to the no-call.

[DPG21920]

So Pop could have called the timeout. But he didn't because the Spurs were in a way better position to score without OKC having setup their defense. You only want the timeout because you can condition on knowledge the Spurs already blew the game without it.

I think it was such a frantic play, people lost track. I don't think it was a strategic decision but a reactionary one.

[midnightpulp]

Unfortunately we lost all the moral highground we had in this case. Check out Kawhi grabbing Westbrook's jersey (it happens at the exact same time Waiters elbows Manu) Yes, that is a "sneaky, veteran" move that players do all the time, so I'm not criticizing Kawhi or anything, but the NBA will look at the play and state that the two fouls basically offset each other.

And begrudgingly, I accept it as the right call. Kawhi did foul Westbrook. Waiters fouled Manu. Play on.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

That's a pretty chickenshit move from whatever fan that was if that's what really happened.

I wouldve done the same.... Thats not a chickenshit move, thats homecourt advantage

[baseline bum]

Yes but if called correctly that opportunity never arises and we give the ball to Aldridge and win the game... Not sure what you dont understand about this...

Mostly the part about automatically winning the game. But also the part about why there was no timeout called if this was so much better an option with ten seconds left in the game.

[GSH]

NBA rule 10:

Section IV-Thrower-in
a. A thrower-in shall not (1) carry the ball onto the court; (2) fail to release the ball within 5 seconds; (3) touch it on the court before it has touched another player; (4) leave the designated throw-in spot; (5) throw the ball so that it enters the basket before touching anyone on the court; (6) step over the boundary line while inbounding the ball; (7) cause the ball to go out-of-bounds without being touched inbounds; (8) leave the playing surface to gain an advantage on a throw-in; (9) hand the ball to a player on the court.
EXCEPTION: After a field goal or free throw as a result of a personal foul, the thrower-in may run the end line or pass to a teammate behind the end line.
b. Once an official recognizes the designated player to throw the ball in, there shall be no change of the thrower-in unless the offensive team makes a substitution, there is a regular or 20-second timeout or a suspension of play.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the original spot of the throw-in.

I put this in the game thread, but... the difference was, this was a contact foul. Unless they have changed it recently, a dead ball foul on an inbounds play is supposed to be a technical FT plus possession. And they made that rule so that you can't foul a guy before the ball is inbounded, so that you can keep any time from running off the clock. Also, if you could foul like that, you could always pick their worst foul shooter, and make sure he was the one you sent to the line.

This seems ass-backwards, because it was the inbounding team, but the rule (I'm pretty sure) still applies. Dead ball foul on an inbounds is shot plus possession.


As for the timeout? It should have been automatic. You should know that if you don't steal the inbounds, you foul immediately. But if you do steal it, you call an immediate timeout, so you can put in a set play. As long as you have a couple of seconds left, you've got time to get a good shot off a set play. Danny shouldn't have been trying to decide how to run a break - he should have known to call an immediate timeout.

[baseline bum]

I wouldve done the same.... Thats not a chickenshit move, thats homecourt advantage

Fans have no business getting involved in the play.

[GSH]

I think it was such a frantic play, people lost track. I don't think it was a strategic decision but a reactionary one.


Yep. And that's why you make the decision before the ball gets thrown in. So you don't have those frantic decisions on the court.

[Mugen]

Unfortunately we lost all the moral highground we had in this case. Check out Kawhi grabbing Westbrook's jersey (it happens at the exact same time Waiters elbows Manu) Yes, that is a "sneaky, veteran" move that players do all the time, so I'm not criticizing Kawhi or anything, but the NBA will look at the play and state that the two fouls basically offset each other.

And begrudgingly, I accept it as the right call. Kawhi did foul Westbrook. Waiters fouled Manu. Play on.

727377351915376640

LMA rebounding Mills' layup....

[Keepin' it real]

Unfortunately we lost all the moral highground we had in this case. Check out Kawhi grabbing Westbrook's jersey (it happens at the exact same time Waiters elbows Manu) Yes, that is a "sneaky, veteran" move that players do all the time, so I'm not criticizing Kawhi or anything, but the NBA will look at the play and state that the two fouls basically offset each other.

And begrudgingly, I accept it as the right call. Kawhi did foul Westbrook. Waiters fouled Manu. Play on.

And then Ibaka CLEARLY fouled LMA on the rebound. ESPN zoomed in on it in slo-mo. Crazy finish.

[baseline bum]

As for the timeout? It should have been automatic. You should know that if you don't steal the inbounds, you foul immediately. But if you do steal it, you call an immediate timeout, so you can put in a set play. As long as you have a couple of seconds left, you've got time to get a good shot off a set play. Danny shouldn't have been trying to decide how to run a break - he should have known to call an immediate timeout.

Pop can call the timeout too. He figured it was better to not go against a set defense and I agree. The Spurs got a great look out of it because OKC's defense was in such a state of chaos. It's easy to second guess when you can condition on an outcome that has already happened, but that was an easy shot the Spurs should have converted.

[Russo21]

Manu probably should have tried a floater instead of a crazy pass out to Mills at the end also.

[Hoops Czar]

727377351915376640

LMA rebounding Mills' layup....

That was a funny looking looking layup from 23ft.

[baseline bum]

I think it was such a frantic play, people lost track. I don't think it was a strategic decision but a reactionary one.

I don't buy that Pop lost track, he could have called timeout. It wasn't like there a second and a half left on the clock when the Spurs got the ball.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

So many things but Green's total lack of composure not passing it to Manu for a wide open basket is the one I'm still not over.

[Mugen]

Pop can call the timeout too. He figured it was better to not go against a set defense and I agree. The Spurs got a great look out of it because OKC's defense was in such a state of chaos. It's easy to second guess when you can condition on an outcome that has already happened, but that was an easy shot the Spurs should have converted.

Yeah, i'm not even mad at the no-call from a Spursfan perspective. Mills got a good look and wasn't close.

I'm just mad that a blatantly obvious call was missed on huge possession of a playoff game. Not even the usual, there should have been a foul BS that they won't call. Marc Davis was 2 feet away and had the best seat in the house for Waiters throwing an elbow at Manu's chest :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I put this in the game thread, but... the difference was, this was a contact foul. Unless they have changed it recently, a dead ball foul on an inbounds play is supposed to be a technical FT plus possession. And they made that rule so that you can't foul a guy before the ball is inbounded, so that you can keep any time from running off the clock. Also, if you could foul like that, you could always pick their worst foul shooter, and make sure he was the one you sent to the line.

This seems ass-backwards, because it was the inbounding team, but the rule (I'm pretty sure) still applies. Dead ball foul on an inbounds is shot plus possession.


As for the timeout? It should have been automatic. You should know that if you don't steal the inbounds, you foul immediately. But if you do steal it, you call an immediate timeout, so you can put in a set play. As long as you have a couple of seconds left, you've got time to get a good shot off a set play. Danny shouldn't have been trying to decide how to run a break - he should have known to call an immediate timeout.

My quote / bolding was just about the question regarding whether or not Waiters jumping to pass should have been called a travel.

Agree with you completely the elbow should have been called. My understanding is it should have been called a charge like Webber was arguing. While the letter of the rule says a technical could be called if the ref deems it was excessive contact, there's no way an NBA ref in the playoffs is going to call the T. Best outcome for the call by Davis would have been the charge that Webber was calling for.

[GSH]

Pop can call the timeout too. He figured it was better to not go against a set defense and I agree. The Spurs got a great look out of it because OKC's defense was in such a state of chaos. It's easy to second guess when you can condition on an outcome that has already happened, but that was an easy shot the Spurs should have converted.


I can't argue with any of that. And second guessing a split-second decision from the living room is dumb.

General clock management? I think you should know what you're going to do if you steal the inbound pass. I would have thought that was a timeout, since they had one. Maybe they left it open because there were 13 seconds left.

[BillMc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChgktiEUgAAfhNM.jpg

"Dear Poland:

I am very sorry we invaded. It was not the correct call.

Yours,

Adolf "

[Hoops Czar]

So many things but Green's total lack of composure not passing it to Manu for a wide open basket is the one I'm still not over.

Danny Asshole got the steal and had Mills wide open for a layup. Instead he throws a lob pass over Adams that nearly sailed out of bounds. Patty had no choice but to pass it out. If Danny throws a simple bounce pass with a little zip, it's a layup, not some half-baked three attempt that everybody on the continent knew wasn't going in.

[DAF86]

So many things but Green's total lack of composure not passing it to Manu for a wide open basket is the one I'm still not over.

This guy gets it. It buffles me that so many people don't trully understand the game and don't realize that this was the biggest fuck up of the whole sequence.

[Mikeanaro]

Ginobili's flopping reputation may have contributed to the no-call.
So Wade still gets calls no matter what GTFO.

[BillMc]

Pop can call the timeout too. He figured it was better to not go against a set defense and I agree. The Spurs got a great look out of it because OKC's defense was in such a state of chaos. It's easy to second guess when you can condition on an outcome that has already happened, but that was an easy shot the Spurs should have converted.

This.

[DAF86]

Danny Asshole got the steal and had Mills wide open for a layup. Instead he throws a lob pass over Adams that nearly sailed out of bounds. Patty had no choice but to pass it out. If Danny throws a simple bounce pass with a little zip, it's a layup.

Or better yet, pass it to Manu in a much simpler pass. Would have got the score anyways.

[baseline bum]

Danny Asshole got the steal and had Mills wide open for a layup. Instead he throws a lob pass over Adams that nearly sailed out of bounds. Patty had no choice but to pass it out. If Danny throws a simple bounce pass with a little zip, it's a layup.

If Danny Green had guard skills on the offensive end he'd be a near max player. He did his job getting that steal.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Mostly the part about automatically winning the game. But also the part about why there was no timeout called if this was so much better an option with ten seconds left in the game.

Lol, we didnt call a timeout because we thought it would be advantageous in the chaos, it wasnt, we shouldve had the ball out on the side, pretty cut and dry here...

[Keepin' it real]

Danny Asshole got the steal and had Mills wide open for a layup. Instead he throws a lob pass over Adams that nearly sailed out of bounds. Patty had no choice but to pass it out. If Danny throws a simple bounce pass with a little zip, it's a layup.

There's a reason his contract was $40 million instead of $80 million.

[BillMc]

If Danny Green had guard skills on the offensive end he'd be a near max player. He did his job getting that steal.


There's a reason his contract was $40 million instead of $80 million.

These. Danny is who he is. And the lob was the safe play with Adams there and so much time left on the clock. The guys who really messed up were Manu and Patty, tbh.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This guy gets it. It buffles me that so many people don't trully understand the game and don't realize that this was the biggest fuck up of the whole sequence.

Come on, we all know Danny putting the ball on the floor is going to end up with the worst possible outcome just about every time we do it.

As soon as he started dribbling I knew that was going to end poorly. Wish he would have tossed it to Manu as soon as he got it...

[GSH]

My quote / bolding was just about the question regarding whether or not Waiters jumping to pass should have been called a travel.

Agree with you completely the elbow should have been called. My understanding is it should have been called a charge like Webber was arguing. While the letter of the rule says a technical could be called if the ref deems it was excessive contact, there's no way an NBA ref in the playoffs is going to call the T. Best outcome for the call by Davis would have been the charge that Webber was calling for.


I'm not just being argumentative - there's a really specific explanation in my mind.

Maybe 10-12 years ago, the Spurs were in a close game with Dallas, with not much time left, and the Mavs were trying to inbound. Dallas ran this weird-ass play, where a guy ran out of bounds under the basket - then he ran back onto the floor, right into the Spur who was defending the inbound pass. He made contact with the Spur player while he was still out of bounds. It was an illegal play, but the Mavs got by with it.

Later, the league clarified and said that it should have been a technical FT, plus possession for the Spurs - because it was a dead ball foul on an inbounds play. They went on to explain the reasons I just gave as why it is a tech plus possession. I just looked, and can't find the rule. Maybe it's changed, or maybe it's one of those things that is in the interpretation handbook for referees. But I remember it distinctly.

The game's over, so it's just a curiosity thing anyway. But if you allowed a foul on a dead ball like that, it opens a bunch of possibilities they don't want. But, okay, maybe it changed. That was quite a while back.

[midnightpulp]

727377351915376640

LMA rebounding Mills' layup....

:tu nice find.

Now we got dat highground. Too bad it won't give us a W :cry

[Kawhitstorm]

Manu had a WIDE open floater FTW instead went to Mills.

Good to great:pop: (Manu always makes that over the shoulder pass to the corner shooter, that's his thing)

rxbcy5uRc2k

[Hoops Czar]

If Danny Green had guard skills on the offensive end he'd be a near max player. He did his job getting that steal.

He doesn't need guard skills, he just needs to be competent. Kudos for the steal though.

[DAF86]

Come on, we all know Danny putting the ball on the floor is going to end up with the worst possible outcome just about every time we do it.

As soon as he started dribbling I knew that was going to end poorly. Wish he would have tossed it to Manu as soon as he got it...

That's exactly what I'm saying. Pass it to Manu, instead of Mills, right away. There was no need for Green to put the ball on the floor.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If Danny would have run to the corner instead of Patty, we probably aren't talking about this at all :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

What the fuck was Ginobili thinking? Three from an ice cold Mills with like 8 seconds left and only down one? Fuck the no-call, your boy blew the game tonight Nono.

He's ALWAYS going to trust his teammates:rolleyes

[GSH]

Come on, we all know Danny putting the ball on the floor is going to end up with the worst possible outcome just about every time we do it.

As soon as he started dribbling I knew that was going to end poorly. Wish he would have tossed it to Manu as soon as he got it...


BTW - I don't remember seeing you around lately. You always brought solid takes. Even when I disagreed with you, I listened, because I knew you know your shit. The place is better with you posting than without.

[DAF86]

These. Danny is who he is. And the lob was the safe play with Adams there and so much time left on the clock. The guys who really messed up were Manu and Patty, tbh.

The safer and more effective pass was the simple two handed chest pass to Manu. Not the lob to Patty over the 7 footer. Seriously folks, how bad can you see this sport?

[baseline bum]

He's ALWAYS going to trust his teammates:rolleyes

It was a great look in retrospect. But fuck, I want Manu taking those kind of shots to decide games.

[HankChinaski]

Patty had a good look it didn't drop. Green, Patty, Manu, Leonard. Any of those guys have a open look at basket to close out the game I will gladly take it regardless of the outcome. Don't get a better shot than that with a high percentage chance of it dropping for them. Those guys trust each other, it is how the spurs system works. Otherwise you look like the Rockets or the Thunder.

[BillMc]

The safer and more effective pass was the simple two handed chest pass to Manu. Not the lob to Patty over the 7 footer. Seriously folks, how bad can you see this sport?

I see this sport fine. Danny in his postgame interview said he didn't see Manu who was slightly behind him. Yes, it would be nice if Danny had the awareness to look for him, but as he didn't, a pass to Patty was what he went with. The biggest criticism of Danny (who made the steal and therefore is the one that even gave us the opportunity to win) was that he didn't know the time on the clock (which he also admitted in his post game interview).

[Kawhitstorm]

Mills should've pumped and taken the foul. Adams was not gonna be able to stop.

If it was Fisher he would have shot his rainbow over Adams outstretched arms & swished it.:bang

[Darius Bieber]

You're still alive? Quit stealing oxygen you worthless cocksucker.

Kill yourself

Delusional Spurfan just can't handle any truths.. :lmao

[Thebesteva]

Wonder if Pop will send tapes to the league like that 0.4 situation

[Kawhitstorm]

It was a great look in retrospect. But fuck, I want Manu taking those kind of shots to decide games.

There would have been 5 seconds left on the clock & ST would have grilled him for leaving too much time on the clock even if he made it.:lol

[DAF86]

I see this sport fine. Danny in his postgame interview said he didn't see Manu who was slightly behind him. Yes, it would be nice if Danny had the awareness to look for him, but as he didn't, a pass to Patty was what he went with. The biggest criticism of Danny (who made the steal and therefore is the one that even gave us the opportunity to win) was that he didn't know the time on the clock (which he also admitted in his post game interview).

No, if he trully didn't see Manu then the biggest criticism should be not seeing Ginobili there. You are a professional basketball player, you should be able to have some kind of periferic vision. I would have made the pass to Ginobili had I been there. Not (only) 'cause it was the most effective pass but because it was also the easiest one.

So if Manu or Patty get crap from you for the decision they made on that play why doesn't Green get crap too? Green said he didn't see Manu. Well, Manu said that he knew he wasn't going to be able to get a good shot off over Adams. Manu's explination seems a lot more logical than Dannys, tbh. The best and easiest position of the whole sequence was Danny's 3 on 1 break. A simple two handed chest pass to Manu would have been enough to win us the game. A pass that you and I could have made, but he butchered it. He made by far the biggest fuckup of the whole sequence, I don't know how this could even be debatable.

P/S: the steal doesn't happen without the inbound pressure Manu provided.

[Kawhitstorm]

:tu nice find.

Now we got dat highground. Too bad it won't give us a W :cry

I expect a LOT of calls to go the Spurs way in Gm 3 or non-calls for WestBrick/Servant.:toast

[Hoops Czar]

There would have been 5 seconds left on the clock & ST would have grilled him for leaving too much time on the clock even if he made it.:lol

If he misses the shot and the Spurs don't get the rebound, you foul and call a timeout to set up a game tying/winning shot. :wakeup

[Spurtacular]

NBA rule 10:

Section IV-Thrower-in
a. A thrower-in shall not (1) carry the ball onto the court; (2) fail to release the ball within 5 seconds; (3) touch it on the court before it has touched another player; (4) leave the designated throw-in spot; (5) throw the ball so that it enters the basket before touching anyone on the court; (6) step over the boundary line while inbounding the ball; (7) cause the ball to go out-of-bounds without being touched inbounds; (8) leave the playing surface to gain an advantage on a throw-in; (9) hand the ball to a player on the court.
EXCEPTION: After a field goal or free throw as a result of a personal foul, the thrower-in may run the end line or pass to a teammate behind the end line.
b. Once an official recognizes the designated player to throw the ball in, there shall be no change of the thrower-in unless the offensive team makes a substitution, there is a regular or 20-second timeout or a suspension of play.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the original spot of the throw-in.

Well done; so, it was a doubly sh***y call. Sidebar: I wonder if that's an NBA rule or universal basketball rule. The way it was pretty much explained to me as a kid is that it was based on regular traveling rules.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, as bullshit as the missed call was, pinning the loss on that is stupid. Blame it on Pop's shitty rotations, or Kawhi shitting the bed in the 4th, or the team fucking up that last possession, or any other of the numerous mistakes the team made...not the refs missing a call (even though it was pretty fucking blatant).

Spurs had their chances, and couldn't capitalize. It is what it is, on to the next game.

Maybe, it's scapegoating. On the other hand, it speaks to the corruption that still exists. Bringing it back to the Spurs, I was not happy with their intensity and execution. I wish they brought a must win attitude to games like this.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

The refs actually got more and reluctant to call contact as the game went on and had already lost control. What happened in the end was the culmination of that.

Kawhi, Patty and Manu were mauled plenty of times when dribbling in the 2nd half disrupting flow and then there was all the stuff below the baskets (from both teams I guess but I thought Spurs were much cleaner on the perimeter because we simply have better defenders than all the undisciplined shit that OKC got away with).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

BTW - I don't remember seeing you around lately. You always brought solid takes. Even when I disagreed with you, I listened, because I knew you know your shit. The place is better with you posting than without.

Thanks, good to see some of the regulars, yourself included, around here still holding it down and bringing the good takes.

Work and life have gotten in the way of regularly posting the last year and a half (hell, it's gotten in the way of consistently watching the Spurs :td). I prioritize my schedule to be clear during the playoffs so I can watch as much hoop as possible (straight out of the Robert Horry school of postseason readiness, I guess). Interestingly enough, due to some client needs I'm going to be in the bay area much of the next six weeks. Spurs need to dispense of this trailer trash from OKC so I can represent at Oracle.

Frustrating game tonight, felt like it was always one of those "Spurs struggle all game, pull it out, and crush their will" type games, but one sorry ass ref and a sequence of bad decisions by the Spurs on that play, and here we are at 1-1. On to Friday.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

yeah watching the fast break again, actually any standard basketball pass from Danny to either Patty or Manu would have been so much greater.

Patty with his speed had a wide open road to one of those layups that are his favorites.

Then Manu at the very least had clear space and angle to have a decisive headstart on Adams and a basket or foul by far the most likely outcomes but it's a tough recovery for Adams and there is a lot Manu can do in that situation.

At no point in the game are the Spurs bigger favorites than when Danny gets the ball under control after the turnover. Like 80+ pct or something so it really sucks that we didn't convert.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well done; so, it was a doubly sh***y call. Sidebar: I wonder if that's an NBA rule or universal basketball rule. The way it was pretty much explained to me as a kid is that it was based on regular traveling rules.


I'm not sure about high school or lower, but in college the player can jump vertically to pass the ball in. I don't have the rule number handy, but talked about it with said friend (D1 ref) after the game ended tonight. In college, the player either has to keep their foot on the ground or above the spot they establish when the ref hands them the ball. So if they jump sideways down the line or onto the court, it's a travel, but if they jump straight up it's allowed.

Seems like the final 13.5 seconds tonight is destined for a referee clinic at the pro level. Somehow though, I suspect this won't be the last game Marc Davis officiates this postseason. Long live the NBA postseason referee shenanigans. :rolleyes

[Kawhitstorm]

How many fucking breaks do Spurs fans want to win the game? They blew it.

Reminds me the play in Gm 6 of the 2014 series against the Mavs where Monta Ellis threw the ball away trying to kill the clock when the Spurs were trying to intentionally foul in a 2 point game but there was actually 2 seconds remaining on the clock. Patty shot an airball 3 after a timeout.:lol

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[Kawhitstorm]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChgktiEUgAAfhNM.jpg

So, basically Marc Davis is legally blind.:lmao

[hooperflash]

Why are the Spurs always on the losing end of these controversial calls?

It's gotta go our way sometime and even then, a few of us here would probably feel guilty.. other fans don't care and take the win (punch their chest AND go on to talk trash).

[Slippy]

That was a clear foul. Ref was 2 feet away.

Wont matter tomorrow even if nba confirms it.

Spurs didnt lose the game there though.

[Sean Cagney]

Why are the Spurs always on the losing end of these controversial calls?

Small market team and not big money or ratings bringers.... They are going to have to win decisive and outright like 2014 so the nba cant screw them over in these tight games.

[cutewizard]

best decision for the NBA would be to replay the last 13 seconds!!!!

the whole world is watching, the NBA is supposed to set the standards for basketball.............

tbh

[LaMarcus Bryant]

My problem with the Serge LaMarcus jersey thing is, how many fucking times do we see other teams players be excessively aggressive in clutch situations and get away with it, while spurs players are keeping in vanilla in terms of digging in? ??

Manu is the ONLY spur ever to constantly give that 110%and err on the side of aggressive /possible foul, rather than be aggroed on like this situation.

[MultiTroll]

I'm not sure about high school or lower, but in college the player can jump vertically to pass the ball in.
NBA players not allowed to jump vertically to pass the ball in on the sidelines. At the endlines, yes.
However GNob stepped on out of bounds line prior to Waiters offensive foul shove.
CBS with a very good expose here:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25575595/breakdown-everything-that-went-wrong-on-final-play-of-thunder-spurs

One thing I have not seen close up pics or vid on is Ibakas egregious jersey hold on LMA with 4 seconds left.

[BillMc]

One thing I have not seen close up pics or vid on is Ibakas egregious jersey hold on LMA with 4 seconds left.

Here you go. He's also grabbing Kawhi I think.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chgp2LPUkAEiphE.jpg:large

[boutons_deux]

Manu had a WIDE open floater FTW instead went to Mills... I hope they start suspending refs. Thanks CWeb for standing to what's right.

with his left hand

[NameLess Scrub]

Manu had a WIDE open floater FTW instead went to Mills... I hope they start suspending refs. Thanks CWeb for standing to what's right.

[Obstructed_View]

Did anyone else think that the first half was reffed like the crew had money on the game? Usually when you see a free throw disparity it's because one team is settling for jumpers and the other one is going hard into the lane. I didn't see one team being more aggressive than the other but I saw one team parading to the free throw line.

[Killakobe81]

Gino was classy in defeat and didnt blame that last play ...
Not only were calls missed on both sides Spurs still had multiple shots to win the game after the missed call ...

[Trainwreck2100]

Gino was classy in defeat and didnt blame that last play ...
Not only were calls missed on both sides Spurs still had multiple shots to win the game after the missed call ...

he's not going to call out the refs, on national television, behind the scenes spurs are probably talking to the league

[YGWHI]

Patty seemed to own up to it in the postgame, and Manu said it wasn't the difference in the game.
Being classy doesn't get calls. Sad but true.

[Keepin' it real]

Ginobili's flopping reputation may have contributed to the no-call.



They will say Manu crowded him, so no foul.

For those who missed Mike and Mike this morning, they said two main things:

1. Ginobili was crowding
2. Ginobili's flopping reputation likely contributed to the missed call.

[Keepin' it real]

Here you go. He's also grabbing Kawhi I think.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chgp2LPUkAEiphE.jpg:large

In fairness, LMA is pushing off at the same time.

[DarrinS]

For those who missed Mike and Mike this morning, they said two main things:

1. Ginobili was crowding
2. Ginobili's flopping reputation likely contributed to the missed call.


NBA already admitted their mistake.

[will_spurs]

Did anyone else think that the first half was reffed like the crew had money on the game? Usually when you see a free throw disparity it's because one team is settling for jumpers and the other one is going hard into the lane. I didn't see one team being more aggressive than the other but I saw one team parading to the free throw line.

FT disparity came from transition baskets which came from Duncan being unable to finish around the rim.

[ElNono]

I'm just mad that a blatantly obvious call was missed on huge possession of a playoff game. Not even the usual, there should have been a foul BS that they won't call. Marc Davis was 2 feet away and had the best seat in the house for Waiters throwing an elbow at Manu's chest :lol

This. And what's the point of the next day memos? Come clean for what? Might aswell just deny anything happened and move on.

[rude1_79]

bet the nba says something of how manu should have been called for a delay of game for stepping in too close to the inbounder.

[AFMadison]

Spurs had a chance to win it and didn't take it. That's not on the refs, that's on the Spurs.
Meh

[littlecoyotecoin]

If Danny Green had guard skills on the offensive end he'd be a near max player. He did his job getting that steal.

All the more reason a timeout, which you're arguing against, was in order. Danny having to be a decision-maker and play-maker, with the clock running down is not better than running a play out of a time out in many cases. We were very lucky to have a chance to win, but having Patty and Green being 2/3 of the involved players to close it out- not an optimal situation. Pop could have called timeout. I'm sure he has reconsidered his decision, but you don't get to make it over again. No choice but to move on to the next game.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Did anyone else think that the first half was reffed like the crew had money on the game? Usually when you see a free throw disparity it's because one team is settling for jumpers and the other one is going hard into the lane. I didn't see one team being more aggressive than the other but I saw one team parading to the free throw line.

That was the game, there. Everything that happened at the end is really just theater and convenient misdirection. I find it hard to believe a dominant Aldridge and Kawhi, alone, weren't fouled once before The Thunder had 14 free throws.

[littlecoyotecoin]

For those who missed Mike and Mike this morning, they said two main things:

1. Ginobili was crowding
2. Ginobili's flopping reputation likely contributed to the missed call.

So, a football player and some other guy have the wrong opinion.

[littlecoyotecoin]

FT disparity came from transition baskets which came from Duncan being unable to finish around the rim.

There is a disparity and then there is a disparity. And, sometimes when OKC players were "unable to finish" they get bailed out.

[Obstructed_View]

FT disparity came from transition baskets which came from Duncan being unable to finish around the rim.

I guess I don't see the relationship between Duncan's ability to finish and the refs' inability to blow a whistle when Parker and Leonard were fouled.

[will_spurs]

I guess I don't see the relationship between Duncan's ability to finish and the refs' inability to blow a whistle when Parker and Leonard were fouled.

Westbrook being fouled in transition is a much easier call to make.

[will_spurs]

I guess I don't see the relationship between Duncan's ability to finish and the refs' inability to blow a whistle when Parker and Leonard were fouled.

Westbrook being fouled in transition is a much easier call to make, and it leads to FTs. Some fouls were called in favor of the Spurs that didn't lead to FTs.

[timtonymanurich]

So, a football player and some other guy have the wrong opinion.

THIS^^

:lol

[Shastafarian]

In fairness, LMA is pushing off at the same time.

Is he?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--dsxPmiLp--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/b6alovrarhb4astovvnr.jpg

[BillMc]

Is he?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--dsxPmiLp--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/b6alovrarhb4astovvnr.jpg

How did the refs miss this? To paraphrase Kevin Durant. "Idiots."

[Shastafarian]

How did the refs miss this? To paraphrase Kevin Durant. "Idiots."

Probably out of position. NBA needs to consider 4 on-court officials, especially in the playoffs.

[Shastafarian]

I'm curious and haven't found an answer on this question: Is it legal for an inbounder to make a jump pass and LAND in bounds? OVER THE LINE. Mark it 0.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm curious and haven't found an answer on this question: Is it legal for an inbounder to make a jump pass and LAND in bounds? OVER THE LINE. Mark it 0.

I covered that already on the last page. It's illegal for a player to leave their feet to gain an advantage to get the pass in.

[Keepin' it real]

Wow, even Cowherd talked about the play. He's allergic to the Spurs, so you know it had to be historically bad for him to let the Spurs infiltrate his precious show.

Oh, and you gotta love Kristine Leahy.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j7e9PFv0fnQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[suitedkings]

Here's a good break down of the last sequence.

28 missed calls in total! /sarcasm

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25575595/breakdown-everything-that-went-wrong-on-final-play-of-thunder-spurs

[coachmac87]

Bottom line is the refs blew the entire last play sequence. We can debate what should've been called on both sides but they blew it. Period.

Theres a fine line between letting them play and letting people get away with murder.. This is dating back to Harden push off. 2 games already have been blown by refs.

[The Reckoning]

so much shit was happening the refs just let them play.

spurs lost. they were down the whole game. they deserved to lose.

[Keepin' it real]

Bottom line is the refs blew the entire last play sequence. We can debate what should've been called on both sides but they blew it. Period.

Theres a fine line between letting them play and letting people get away with murder.. This is dating back to Harden push off. 2 games already have been blown by refs.

Indiana-Toronto game 7 says hello.

[Das Texan]

How did the refs miss this? To paraphrase Kevin Durant. "Idiots."

I had a much bigger issue with this being not called than the elbow to Manu not being called. This determined the game right here.

[ShinerBlack]

The NBA has had a ref issue for over a decade. Does it surprise anyone at this point? The Spurs have no one to blame but themselves. The 1st quarter was atrocious. They were ok with the intensity OKC brought and let them do whatever they wanted. Then 2 or 3 times they were within a bucket and go on these stretches where they miss 5, 6, 7 straight and OKC pushed the lead back up. They need to have more patience and make better decisions in those situations.

[Beaverfuzz]

The dude started the clock as soon as it left the hands of Waiters. Either ridiculously incompetent, or fixed.

And the Spurs got off a shot before that...clock really isn't that big of an issue.

[Beaverfuzz]

I'm curious and haven't found an answer on this question: Is it legal for an inbounder to make a jump pass and LAND in bounds? OVER THE LINE. Mark it 0.

Spurs still had to score, not like the game was over if the Spurs got the inbound right there.

[coachmac87]

But seriously why hasn't anybody brought up the 5 second violation? This occurs before the elbow or Manu foot on the line?? I honestly slow counted 6-7 seconds

[LoveMySpurs]

if that hadn't been shooting 8% in the first quarter what happened at the end wouldn't have been such big issue. Never heard the AT&T Center so vocal after a loss. Crazy. But despite such crappy play by most of the team, we lost by only 1 point and dug ourselves out of a hole at least three times... Have to take one game in their house.:ihit

[D_Admiral]

It's alright fellas. Spurs have bad luck in situations like this for years. We know our franchise. We know their identity. I just hope OKC is ready.

[Keepin' it real]

But seriously why hasn't anybody brought up the 5 second violation? This occurs before the elbow or Manu foot on the line?? I honestly slow counted 6-7 seconds

I just timed it on my stopwatch.

4.5 seconds

Sorry.

[coachmac87]

I just timed it on my stopwatch.

4.5 seconds

Sorry.

:lmao

[UZER]

All the grabbing holding stuff is usually not called. Fine, everyone understands they let contact go at the end.

But it's a bad look for the NBA when it's that obvious and ignored on a dead ball by the official that's assigned to watch specific violations on a player that is required to stand still, and is not permitted to be part of all the action (holding / grabbing) going on in the court.

And yes, of course it's not the only reason the Spurs lost.

[TheDoctor]

So the NBA has 70 years and they never prepared for this?
727555121148735488

[look_at_g_shred]

Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?

[raybies]

He straight up pushed Manu with a ref looking at him and they missed it!? I'm glad the team is taking the high road, but an inbounds play, drawn up by Pop, with 13 seconds to go would have been better. Heck, just iso Kawhi or LMA and let them have a chance would of been better than a contested three from someone who was having a bad game. Either way, I'm over it already. I think the Spurs will blow them out in Game 3 then win a close one in Game 4, and then win in Game 5 at home. This is our teaching moment to get everybody on the same page and focused. Just the irritant this oyster needed to make a pearl.

[Budkin]

Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?

Game 2 of the Finals. Because it was the Finals.

[TheDoctor]

Is he?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--dsxPmiLp--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/b6alovrarhb4astovvnr.jpg

#Legit

[Sean Cagney]

so much shit was happening the refs just let them play.

spurs lost. they were down the whole game. they deserved to lose.

You don't start out 1-13 or go down big at home in a game 2, yet they did.... I agree.
Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?

Game 2 of the finals made me say here we go again and another loss to that team in the finals man :( I was pissed.

[Holden_Caulfield]

so these refs continue to suck and continue to be employed :lol

[SPURt]

Which felt worse? Game 2 of this series or Game 2 2014 finals?
Besides Lebron/Wade/Bosh > Westbrook/Durant/Ibaka 2014 also had DJ Khaled, going into Game 3 here is less infuriating.

Everyone not named Aldridge shit the bed. I'm happy it happened now as opposed to the WCF or Finals. I felt like the Thunder made tough shots and played the best game they got in them. The Spurs, minus LMA, did the opposite and only lost by 1 point and tons of ref help.

[DPG21920]

NBA is saving face with that 2min report and saying it was a missed call on Manu. Every ref I have spoken with/asked (not about this rule specifically) has told me about intent of the rule and "points of emphasis" on enforcing rules.

Some rules, like stepping out with the ball, are very black and white. Rules like the one with Manu, when it comes to both the spacing rule & things like toe on the line are left more open and then once precedent is set/emphasis set, that's how you call it.

Manu did not move significantly off of the spot the ref deemed acceptable. He didn't make significant movement laterally and jumped mostly up & down. His toe clearly hit the line (didn't go over) but he pulled back immediately and based on the intent of the rule, he did not break it. You see this on nearly every inbounds attempt and it's never called.

However, to save face, league changed it up and tried to go letter of the law, even though it's been pretty well defined (even ex refs commented) that it's a non-call. But now this gives both sides a way to say "see, it cancels out". Let's see if the league is now forced to watch and call that (and if they have the guts to when a toe hits the line) the rest of these playoffs.

Also, if they are going by the letter now, then how did they miss and not comment on Waiters bringing his arms/the ball across the same plane Manu's toe was on? In the sequence of events, Waiters first brings his arms/ball across while Manu is jumping. Then Manu lands on the line. Then Waiters pushes off.

I don't see how they leave that out?

[spurtech09]

Waiters also jumped when throwing the ball inbounds....can't do that......O well time to move on and get ready for game 3....

[Obstructed_View]

Westbrook being fouled in transition is a much easier call to make, and it leads to FTs. Some fouls were called in favor of the Spurs that didn't lead to FTs.

I guess we were watching a different game. No call on one end, touch fouls on the other. I've called the Spurs out when they stand around settling for jumpers. Last night was not an example of that.

[spurtech09]

Is he?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--dsxPmiLp--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/b6alovrarhb4astovvnr.jpgWow.....lol.......Thunder reffin it.....

[DPG21920]

Waiters also jumped when throwing the ball inbounds....can't do that......O well time to move on and get ready for game 3....

They acknowledged that and said that was perfectly legal.

[spurtech09]

I know manu stepped out of bounds but it was a split second......No Danny did not foul Durant.....Yes Thunder got away with 3 things...maybe more lol....Waiters hit on Manu with elbow....The jumping when inbounding the ball and the foul on LMA......Looks like the Spurs are going to have a hard time in OKC.....I can already see the thunder refs doing there thang...Screw job all over again.....

[spurtech09]

They acknowledged that and said that was perfectly legal.mmmm ?

[TheDoctor]

mmmm ?
Apparently the rule when talks about "not gaining an advantage in height over the defender" is referring to not climbing into the stands/stairs/bench/whatever on the court/arena.

[coachmac87]

NBA is saving face with that 2min report and saying it was a missed call on Manu. Every ref I have spoken with/asked (not about this rule specifically) has told me about intent of the rule and "points of emphasis" on enforcing rules.

Some rules, like stepping out with the ball, are very black and white. Rules like the one with Manu, when it comes to both the spacing rule & things like toe on the line are left more open and then once precedent is set/emphasis set, that's how you call it.

Manu did not move significantly off of the spot the ref deemed acceptable. He didn't make significant movement laterally and jumped mostly up & down. His toe clearly hit the line (didn't go over) but he pulled back immediately and based on the intent of the rule, he did not break it. You see this on nearly every inbounds attempt and it's never called.

However, to save face, league changed it up and tried to go letter of the law, even though it's been pretty well defined (even ex refs commented) that it's a non-call. But now this gives both sides a way to say "see, it cancels out". Let's see if the league is now forced to watch and call that (and if they have the guts to when a toe hits the line) the rest of these playoffs.

Also, if they are going by the letter now, then how did they miss and not comment on Waiters bringing his arms/the ball across the same plane Manu's toe was on? In the sequence of events, Waiters first brings his arms/ball across while Manu is jumping. Then Manu lands on the line. Then Waiters pushes off.

I don't see how they leave that out?



1) 5 second violation should've been called.
2) Foul wasn't called
3) Waiters jumped to throw the ball..which is also a penalty.

Ref was less then 5ft away and missed it all. :lmao

[coachmac87]

They acknowledged that and said that was perfectly legal.



Section IV-Thrower-in
a. A thrower-in shall not (1) carry the ball onto the court; (2) fail to release the ball within 5 seconds; (3) touch it on the court before it has touched another player; (4) leave the designated throw-in spot; (5) throw the ball so that it enters the basket before touching anyone on the court; (6) step over the boundary line while inbounding the ball; (7) cause the ball to go out-of-bounds without being touched inbounds; (8) leave the playing surface to gain an advantage on a throw-in; (9) hand the ball to a player on the court.
EXCEPTION: After a field goal or free throw as a result of a personal foul, the thrower-in may run the end line or pass to a teammate behind the end line.
b. Once an official recognizes the designated player to throw the ball in, there shall be no change of the thrower-in unless the offensive team makes a substitution, there is a regular or 20-second timeout or a suspension of play.



Hmmmm...

[Darius Bieber]

You know if Ginobili was inbounding it and shoved off Durant, it would be a Flagrant 2 immediately tbh

[DPG21920]

Former NBA ref Steve Javie's Interpretations...http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15454490/nba-lists-five-incorrect-non-calls-final-seconds-oklahoma-city-thunder-san-antonio-spurs-game-2

This goes exactly in line with what I was explaining.