Official NBA Referee Response to the End of Game No Call

[BillMc]

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[BillMc]

I just saw this was already posted. My bad.

[raybies]

With all the missed calls going on and refs swallowing the whistle, you have to wonder if this is what the league wants. Too much of a coincidence. "Let the players decide the game." -Adam Silver

[FromWayDowntown]

To be clear, that tweet is from the NBA Referees' Union -- not from the NBA or the officiating department of the NBA.

[BillMc]

To be clear, that tweet is from the NBA Referees' Union -- not from the NBA or the officiating department of the NBA.
Thanks for the clarification. :toast

[Fireball]

I just saw this was already posted. My bad.

no problem ... you missed it and will include it in your training moving forward

[BillMc]

no problem ... you missed it and will include it in your training moving forward
:lmao

[Spur|n|Austin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pHY_5psG5w

[mudyez]

no problem ... you missed it and will include it in your training moving forward

:lol:lol:lol

[FromWayDowntown]

With all the missed calls going on and refs swallowing the whistle, you have to wonder if this is what the league wants. Too much of a coincidence. "Let the players decide the game." -Adam Silver

I think if you were inclined to see some conspiracy, you could also point to the fact that the Thunder shot more FT in the 1st quarter than the Spurs shot in the entire game.

Then again, if there was some sort of conspiracy, the call giving Aldridge 3 FTA in the last 30 seconds wasn't helpful to that effort.

[FromWayDowntown]

no problem ... you missed it and will include it in your training moving forward

That's perfect!

[marinoman]

no problem ... you missed it and will include it in your training moving forward
Lol, good stuff

[raybies]

I think if you were inclined to see some conspiracy, you could also point to the fact that the Thunder shot more FT in the 1st quarter than the Spurs shot in the entire game.

Then again, if there was some sort of conspiracy, the call giving Aldridge 3 FTA in the last 30 seconds wasn't helpful to that effort.

Not much into conspiracies, just thinking the refs were given orders to let players decide the games. I think the fixing of games is a thing of the past now.

[suitedkings]

Inbounding the ball happens how many times a game? How do the refs not know that making contact with the inbounder or his defender (by the inbounder) is a foul!?

[spurtech09]

Nba is rigged.....Whats new...All sports are rigged.....

[GSH]

no problem ... you missed it and will include it in your training moving forward


Post of the month. Perfect! :lol

[Dex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pHY_5psG5w

:lmao

[Big Dog]

Build a bridge, get over it.

[Spurs9]

:lol called it in elnonos thread tbh, would just be a tweet

[ploto]

Inbounding the ball happens how many times a game? How do the refs not know that making contact with the inbounder or his defender (by the inbounder) is a foul!?
How do they not know that the defender stepping on the out of bounds line is a technical in the last 2 minutes of the game?

[lilbthebasedgod]

This was a weird situation. I think it was a good no call. It should have been a call on Ginobili, but the response also was the foul which isn't an appropriate response.

[dabom]

Steve Javie spent 25 seasons working as an NBA referee. He officiated more than 1,000 games, including 230 playoff games and more than a dozen NBA Finals.
With a resume like that, you’d think he’s seen it all.
Late Monday night, Javie witnessed a sequenced he’d never seen before.
It left him pondering the same question NBA fans all over the country were asking: Did Dion Waiters (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6628/dion-waiters) really commit an offensive foul on an inbounds play?
The NBA has already weighed in (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15450702/late-non-call-oklahoma-city-thunder-win-san-antonio-spurs-offensive-foul-refs-say): Yes, Waiters did commit a foul.
The play in question occurred with 13.5 seconds remaining in Game 2 of the San Antonio Spurs (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)-Oklahoma City Thunder (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder) series. Waiters was inbounding the ball from the sideline with the Thunder up by one point. Replays showed Waiters made contact with Manu Ginobili (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili) in an apparent attempt to clear space before inbounding the ball.
The refs did not whistle Waiters for an offensive foul. Had they, the Spurs would have gained possession.
Waiters inbounded to Kevin Durant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), who eventually had the ball stripped away by Danny Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3988/danny-green). The Spurs, however, were unable to score on that final possession. The Thunder walked off the court with a 98-97 win (http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400875652).
In the aftermath, many wondered whether the refs missed a call on Waiters or Ginobili (who appeared to possibly step out of bounds in an attempt to guard Waiters.) After the game, referees admitted they should have whistled Waiters for an offensive foul.
For further clarification, we turned to Javie, an employee of ESPN, for his take on the situation.
Below is an edited Q&A with Javie:

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich voices his displeasure with the officials following Game 2 of the Spurs-Thunder series Monday night. Former ref Steve Javie's take on the Dion Waiters no-call: "It’s one that should have been an offensive foul." AP Photo/Eric GayWhat did you make of the sequence?
Javie: First of all, it’s something in all my years of basketball, I’ve never seen ... a person inbounding the ball commit contact with a person on the floor. When I first saw it I thought, "Oh my gosh" like (everybody) else did.
My first reaction was, "Can we call an offensive foul on that guy or is it just a violation because the person who is inbounding the ball touches somebody on the court ... prior to releasing it?" That would be a violation. But in talking and thinking about it, you can call an offensive foul.
So either way, if you called an offensive foul or you called a violation, the ball would be awarded to San Antonio. Now in this situation, even though they missed the call, San Antonio got the ball. So that was good, but that doesn’t mean something shouldn’t have been called.
With officiating, it is recall. We use technology in officiating to look at different training plays [in referee training sessions]. Plays that maybe you personally have never encountered in your games, you can encounter in your mind through these video replays that go with the rules.
Well, something like this has never happened and, of course, I [was] just imagining it happening to me and going, "What was that? What can I do?" And by the time you ask those questions, since there’s no video recall [and] you’ve never seen this play, you really don’t react [quickly enough].
So I am sure this will be in the new video case book. Everyone will see it and never forget it again. When something happens for the first time, you sit there and go, "Holy moly."
Did Ginobili commit a violation on the inbounds play?
Javie: Wow, I know what you’re talking about. If we get into that and he just steps on the line, I know the rule is breaking the plane, preventing the person from throwing the ball inbounds or hindering the person from throwing the ball inbounds. I would say no in that situation.
Last night at 1 in the morning I didn’t get the replay that will probably blow it up and [show exactly where Ginobili’s foot lands]. I saw [Ginobili’s foot] touching the line. Is it over the line? Is it not? To me, it wasn’t the obvious play itself. We talk about this sometimes: There are elephants and there are ants. That’s like the ant in the room. The elephant is kind of the contact [made by Waiters].
So, the proper call was to award San Antonio the ball based on the contact Waiters made with Ginobili?
Javie: That’s correct.
Is there anything else you’d like to add?
Javie: It’s one that’s never been seen before. It’s one that should have been an offensive foul. Going forward, if it’s a play that ever happens again in our lifetime, I’m hoping that they’ll recall it correctly the next time.

[hater]

It was a delay of game.that was the travesty

[tholdren]

Stop crying - It was a foul on both teams. Spurs got the ball with a chance to win. Spurs looked like they didnt know WTF to do. Poor bb IQ at the end of the game led to a terrible shot with no chance to get on the rim to tip.

Had the MVP KL made a layup, or danny, or tim, then the Spurs would have won by a point. Game was lost in the first Q when KL laid an egg and came out soft.

[dabom]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/19211/ex-nba-ref-javie-qa-okc-play-something-ive-never-seen

From ESPN. To me it was a no call on Manu. Nothing really happened there. Easy call. Dion elbowing Manu is a foul call. The 2minute transcripts are just there to shit on the team that always get called against.

[Obstructed_View]

Inbounding the ball happens how many times a game? How do the refs not know that making contact with the inbounder or his defender (by the inbounder) is a foul!?

Literally every person that saw it knew it was a foul except for the guy with a whistle standing two feet away watching it happen.

[Kawhitstorm]

Literally every person that saw it knew it was a foul except for the guy with a whistle standing two feet away watching it happen.

Marc Davis glanced down at Dion Waiters feet just before the 5 second count which was when Waiters elbowed Manu. Essentially, the 4th (reserve) official should be involved on out of bound plays b/c the sideline official is multitasking.

[Kawhi 5-0]

Should have been reviewed as a flagrant against Waiters. Elbow to chest. It wasn't a push, it was an elbow to the sternum of Ginobili. Even if a flagrant had been judged as too harsh, a technical foul on Waiters would have given the Spurs one shot.

I guess the problem was that the refs called nothing whatsoever and therefore there was nothing to review.

On another note, Ginobili's sideline infraction needed a microscopic eye as it was a matter of millimeters. Waiters' foul was forceful, blunt, and obvious. The only thing El Contusion could have done better would have been to take more umbrage to being bowed in the chest while not laying a finger on the other guy. In the heat of the moment that is a lot to think about.

If Ginobili had gotten in Waiters' face somehow, play would have stopped. Then the elbow would have been reviewed and seen to have been the instigating element.

All in all, the main problem was energy. Thunder had a ton of it, Spurs didn't.

Might be time for a little more Bad Pop to complement the Good Pop. The measured, calm approach almost got us a win after a horrible start.

I think it is a balancing act. Yes, the Spurs are all about execution. But it's also HOW you execute which matters. The Spurs looked like a bunch of Xs and Os in Game 2. The Thunder looked like living, breathing human beings.

There's gotta be more urgency having now lost home court advantage with this defeat. There are no Western Finals. Game 3 needs to be a smack in the mouth. Hopefully the weak-minded Thunder will get overconfident from this squeaker victory. If so, Spurs regain upper hand on Friday.

Time for some nasty. For real this time.

--Paul

[Vito Corleone]

Not much into conspiracies, just thinking the refs were given orders to let players decide the games. I think the fixing of games is a thing of the past now.

I believe just the opposite, I think the fix is in during the first 4 games to give TV more opportunities for more games.

[Obstructed_View]

Marc Davis glanced down at Dion Waiters feet just before the 5 second count which was when Waiters elbowed Manu. Essentially, the 4th (reserve) official should be involved on out of bound plays b/c the sideline official is multitasking.

Um, if you believe that, then you need to join the campaign to have Davis declared legally blind. He wasn't watching the play through a rifle scope. If you're standing that close to a human who pushes another human, your field of view covers it.

[TheDoctor]

In the end we get the ball with 13.2 secs remaining and everyone (except for Manu and LMA), from Pop to Danny did nothing to win the game.

IMO this was 1000% Verde's fault with his rabbity scared ass pass to Paddy.

[UZER]

At no point in a game is throwing an elbow in someone's chest allowed. Even final possession plays that refs let contact go, purposely throwing an elbow in someone's chest is still gonna get called. It might only get missed by a ref in a bad position to see it. There was no bad position excuse here.

To say I've never seen it so I didn't know what to do is stupid. You know an elbow to someone's chest is a foul. Blow the whistle and huddle with the refs and say, "ok guys I'm not sure what the call is but I know he threw his elbow into Manus chest which is an offensive foul, how do we call this one?"

But it's over now so on to game 3.

[cutewizard]

Should have been reviewed as a flagrant against Waiters. Elbow to chest. It wasn't a push, it was an elbow to the sternum of Ginobili. Even if a flagrant had been judged as too harsh, a technical foul on Waiters would have given the Spurs one shot.

I guess the problem was that the refs called nothing whatsoever and therefore there was nothing to review.

On another note, Ginobili's sideline infraction needed a microscopic eye as it was a matter of millimeters. Waiters' foul was forceful, blunt, and obvious. The only thing El Contusion could have done better would have been to take more umbrage to being bowed in the chest while not laying a finger on the other guy. In the heat of the moment that is a lot to think about.

If Ginobili had gotten in Waiters' face somehow, play would have stopped. Then the elbow would have been reviewed and seen to have been the instigating element.

All in all, the main problem was energy. Thunder had a ton of it, Spurs didn't.

Might be time for a little more Bad Pop to complement the Good Pop. The measured, calm approach almost got us a win after a horrible start.

I think it is a balancing act. Yes, the Spurs are all about execution. But it's also HOW you execute which matters. The Spurs looked like a bunch of Xs and Os in Game 2. The Thunder looked like living, breathing human beings.

There's gotta be more urgency having now lost home court advantage with this defeat. There are no Western Finals. Game 3 needs to be a smack in the mouth. Hopefully the weak-minded Thunder will get overconfident from this squeaker victory. If so, Spurs regain upper hand on Friday.

Time for some nasty. For real this time.

--Paul

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question is : are the Spurs capable of being NASTY???

[tholdren]

no, the spurs cannot be nasty. This is why they hired West. Who, unfortunately with age, settles for jumpers and doesn't mix it up, but once in a blue moon.

[gospursgojas]

Spurs were in the bonus...do they get free throws if offensive foul is called?

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs were in the bonus...do they get free throws if offensive foul is called?
No.

[Kawhi 5-0]

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question is : are the Spurs capable of being NASTY???

David West certainly is. The full-speed, all-out guys (Ginobili and Mills) have the right idea. They're fearless. I think Jonathon Simmons would be a good "energy guy" to have suited up.

Maybe it's not just a matter of nasty, but crazy. Gino usually takes care of that by himself.

Spurs need a designated energy guy--someone who's got nothing to lose. Simmons is the perfect candidate.

The starters have a tendency to sometimes move like Xs and Os out there. Someone's gotta be ready to remind them of the love of the game. There's gotta be a wildcard that reminds the conservative, execution-based rotation players about the necessity of maximum effort.

Manu and Patty do that regularly. I think their energy is expected by the starters. Simmons would be an element of surprise.

He's gonna botch a play here and there, but if he's holding nothing back, then he's the best catalyst to wake up the team in case of a lethargic start.

--Paul

[Keepin' it real]

In the end we get the ball with 13.2 secs remaining and everyone (except for Manu and LMA), from Pop to Danny did nothing to win the game.

IMO this was 1000% Verde's fault with his rabbity scared ass pass to Paddy.

So the guy who made the incredible steal is the one you blame? Instead of blaming the hall of famer who shied away from an easy point-blank shot over scrub Adams. I guess that's one way to look at it.

[Spurs9]

Guess they didnt do the training tbh, Durrant picking and choosing what calls to comment about :lol
The refs in our series helped form the current Warriors team tbqh