Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Kawhitstorm]

Gay would be fine as a 6th or 7th man if he accepted that role, tbh..should never be starting on a legit NBA contender team, though, there's a reason literally every team he joins gets worse, and every team he leaves gets better:lol

There's no way you can build a championship offense if he's in your starting unit IMO..

Rudy Gay is what Jeff Green would be if he was a chucker instead of a warm body.:lol

[Ice009]

The 2016-2017 Warriors turning into the 2013-2014 Denver Broncos. At first they were a mix of both teams, but now they are drawing more comparisons to that team. Signed their Peyton Manning (Kevin Durant), already have their other Peyton Manning (Curry), have mvps, offensive records that will be broken, regular season dominance, people/media calling them unstoppable/unbeatable, players wanting to join them, etc etc. You literally can't tell these teams apart other than it being a different sport.

Who was the other Peyton Manning that the Broncos already had? As far as I recall the Broncos defense sucked that year too.

[pad300]

Sullinger just got renounced by BOS.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1463988

Hopefully the Spurs FO is paying attention. I doubt we could find a more capable PF/C for the vet min. He's eating himself out of the league, but still plays pretty good.

[loveforthegame]

Probably goes to the Warriors.

[r0drig0lac]

Sully sucks

[Chinook]

Would have taken Sullinger and Boban over Gasol.

[coachmac87]

Would have taken Sullinger and Boban over Gasol.

Do I have to bring up contracts to justify hoe wrong this statement is??

[cutewizard]

Does anyone want Terrence Jones??

[Chinook]

Do I have to bring up contracts to justify hoe wrong this statement is??

So long as yoh justify it in the new Kevin Martin thread.

[Mr. Body]

Do I have to bring up contracts to justify hoe wrong this statement is??

No, you could just bring up basketball.

[loveforthegame]

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[From Downtown]

Wouldn't mind Sully

[Keepin' it real]

Signing Sully seems silly.

[SD126]

We just got rid of a lard ass in Bobo, and now SpursTalkers want another lard ass in Sullinger in his place?? Oy....

[BatManu20]

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[Blackjack]

We just got rid of a lard ass in Bobo, and now SpursTalkers want another lard ass in Sullinger in his place?? Oy....

Boban is a giant, not a lardass. Dude was in shape, skilled and, physically, in his prime. Really hope that one doesn't bite us in the ass.

[Ron Swanson]

He said Bobo, not Boban.

[dabom]

Boban is a giant, not a lardass. Dude was in shape, skilled and, physically, in his prime. Really hope that one doesn't bite us in the ass.

He meant Diaw...

[dabom]

Boban is a physical specimen though.

[SD126]

He meant Diaw...

Thank you. And while we're at it, yes I hope losing Boban doesn't hurt us at the end.

[Ron Swanson]

Boban is a physical specimen though.

His wife is, too.

[dabom]

His wife is, too.

:wow

[sasaint]

His wife is, too.

Good reason to sign elsewhere.

[Ron Swanson]

Good reason to sign elsewhere.

:lmao

Goddamnit, Tony

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[LakerHater]

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Well, at least the Dubs didn't get him.

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[raybies]

Wow, Portland matched Brooklyn's offer for Allen Crabe

[timtonymanu]

Portland has a good chance to be a top 4 team in the West, if last year wasn't a fluke. I wonder why no one has picked up Harkless yet

[TheGoldStandard]

Portland is 2nd round exit bound..

[MaNu4Tres]

Portland has a good chance to be a top 4 team in the West, if last year wasn't a fluke. I wonder why no one has picked up Harkless yet

If I'm the Nets, I submit the same offer to Harkless. lol

[Mr. Body]

Portland has a good chance to be a top 4 team in the West, if last year wasn't a fluke. I wonder why no one has picked up Harkless yet

There are so many shitty teams in the league.

[sasaint]

Portland has a good chance to be a top 4 team in the West, if last year wasn't a fluke. I wonder why no one has picked up Harkless yet

I haven't checked their cap situation, but with Portland re-signing Leonard and matching Crabbe's offer, it seems like somebody will now sign Harkless.

[Blackjack]

He said Bobo, not Boban.


He meant Diaw...

:tu


Thank you. And while we're at it, yes I hope losing Boban doesn't hurt us at the end.

My bad. :toast


His wife is, too.

:tu :tu :tu


Good reason to sign elsewhere.

:lmao

[LakerHater]

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[timtonymanu]

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:lol they'll probably give him a 10 day contract at best.

[Keepin' it real]

There are so many shitty teams in the league.

Always have been, always will be ...

[JuneJive]

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He's bound to get payed. Still, might there be a reasonable scenario he comes our way?

[HarlemHeat37]

He should join the Raptors, he could start at PF and stick it to Boston, too..

Not sure if any respectable GM will touch him, though..talented, but fat and has a terrible attitude..

[NASpurs]

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[Snaq O'Meal]

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The Warriors were so desperate to get rid of him that they traded him for Dick Jefferson and his Parker-like contract.

It'll be funny to see Jax ending up back there. It'll be funnier if he starts thinking he's better than Klay.

[CGD]

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At least warrior didnt get him

[NASpurs]

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[ducks]

sj could cause issues with gs he will want his shots

[DPG21920]

MIA matches on Tyler Johnson. 50M for Tyler Johnson is a great example of what this summer has been like.

[loveforthegame]

The sideline reporter for the Utah-Pelicans game just said Warriors officials said Stephen Jackson has not been invited to camp. There have been talks though.

[ace3g]

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[BillMc]

Is it me or is this year's summer league for some reason more boring than last years? I remember really enjoying the games last year. This year Zzzzz...........

[tholdren]

nope - talent keeps getting shittier, and the older you get, the less you like watching grown men pulling aau stunts. this is nba all star game bad. pretty soon it will hit SA.

[Chinook]

Is it me or is this year's summer league for some reason more boring than last years? I remember really enjoying the games last year. This year Zzzzz...........

It's not a team this year. It's just three stars, sometimes a fourth and then everyone else just filling out the five on the floor. It's so disappointing considering how everyone came together last year to make it happen. Sure the points were almost always Anderson, Simmons or Eddie. But you had other guys making awesome plays. Just don't see that this year.

[SAGirl]

Is it me or is this year's summer league for some reason more boring than last years? I remember really enjoying the games last year. This year Zzzzz...........
I think its lack of novelty. We are watching too much of guys we already know. I like these guys so I am very entertained and Dijon is entertaining and unpredictable. But no Bertans? LJC? Milutinov?

[HI-FI]

Is it me or is this year's summer league for some reason more boring than last years? I remember really enjoying the games last year. This year Zzzzz...........

definitely not just you, not sure what is up. though i have been watching for Murray, i agree with those who think he's going to be a real steal, and also Slomo's jumper looks much smoother.

[ElNono]

Is it me or is this year's summer league for some reason more boring than last years? I remember really enjoying the games last year. This year Zzzzz...........

A lot of the guys we wanted to watch are not playing, tbh... especially Bertrans... except for Murray, it's more of the same of last summer, tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

Would have taken Sullinger and Boban over Gasol.

The same Boban that couldn't get a tick when D-Worst was getting raped?:lol

[apalisoc_9]

The same Boban that couldn't get a tick when D-Worst was getting raped?:lol

Dude, thats the same guy that wanted west to start next year :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

He should join the Raptors, he could start at PF and stick it to Boston, too..

Not sure if any respectable GM will touch him, though..talented, but fat and has a terrible attitude..

Sullinger/Jonas would be the most laterally challenged frontline in NBA history.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Dude, thats the same guy that wanted west to start next year :lol

But...but...but.. he spaces the floor for Softridge.:cry (As if Pau wasn't a midrange shooter last season::lol)

[slick'81]

Would love sully just for depth but i dont see it happening

[r0drig0lac]

Would love sully just for depth but i dont see it happening

good for SA

[cutewizard]

Whos the next piece to arrive to us fellas?

any news on the greek center? scola perhaps? ekpe udoh?

we need another big....................

[spurs10]

Whos the next piece to arrive to us fellas?

any news on the greek center? scola perhaps? ekpe udoh?

we need another big.................... I'm guessing until we hear about Tim we won't be hearing much. If he retires they will stretch his money I'm thinking...

[raybies]

Whos the next piece to arrive to us fellas?

any news on the greek center? scola perhaps? ekpe udoh?

we need another big....................


As I said in another thread, Bourousis was set to make his decision a few days ago like Duncan and both have passed their deadlines coincidentally together. I suspect once Duncan announces he's retiring, Bourousis will be the guy that's signed.

As for Udoh, he already signed with FCBarcelona I believe.

[DPG21920]

I fear this may be the day we get the Duncan announcement. Every other team has signed their big FA seemingly and SA has a bunch of people unsigned that I'm sure they want to get wrapped up.

Think we hear something today

[raybies]

I fear this may be the day we get the Duncan announcement. Every other team has signed their big FA seemingly and SA has a bunch of people unsigned that I'm sure they want to get wrapped up.

Think we hear something today

Yeah I agree.

[DPG21920]

Welp :cry

[Chinook]

Well hopefully this means that Bertans and LJC can come in and replace those other guys on the SL team that have just been taking up space.

[cutewizard]

As I said in another thread, Bourousis was set to make his decision a few days ago like Duncan and both have passed their deadlines coincidentally together. I suspect once Duncan announces he's retiring, Bourousis will be the guy that's signed.

As for Udoh, he already signed with FCBarcelona I believe.


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may it be, may it be!

i really like Bourousis, he will anchor a fighting bench, imo

[cutewizard]

but im wondering, what specifically does Jean-Charles bring to the table?

would it not be better to have Scola rather than him?

[cutewizard]

Duncan retires:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/7/11/9165781/tim-duncan-retires-san-antonio-spurs


http://www.nba.com/spurs/tim-duncan-announces-retirement


http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/5-time-nba-champ-tim-duncan-retires-after-19-seasons-1.2981743

[cutewizard]

Now sign Bourosis, quickly RC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Keepin' it real]

Well hopefully this means that Bertans and LJC can come in and replace those other guys on the SL team that have just been taking up space.

Exactly, like Simmons, Anderson, Murray and Forbes.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIhSZzUp3dA

[NASpurs]

The first domino has been tipped over, now for the rest to fall as well.

[Jdspur20]

Wonder if the Spurs will go after another big. They would have to right?

[cutewizard]

Wonder if the Spurs will go after another big. They would have to right?


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[Shastafarian]

Wonder if the Spurs will go after another big. They would have to right?

How much will the Spurs save with the stretch?

[Chinook]

How much will the Spurs save with the stretch?

After reconfiguring for Manu's cap hold, I think the Spurs are done with cap space, though they'll have a couple mil if they don't have to stretch him.

[Shastafarian]

After reconfiguring for Manu's cap hold, I think the Spurs are done with cap space, though they'll have a couple mil if they don't have to stretch him.

Oh I thought the stretch was the best option. What else could they do?

[GSH]

As I said in another thread, Bourousis was set to make his decision a few days ago like Duncan and both have passed their deadlines coincidentally together. I suspect once Duncan announces he's retiring, Bourousis will be the guy that's signed.

As for Udoh, he already signed with FCBarcelona I believe.


I hope you're right. I don't see any realistic alternative that would be as good.

If he is signing, I'm expect that they would take a day or two before announcing, just for the optics. Don't want people saying "This is the Tim Duncan replacement." He'll never be that.

[Chinook]

Oh I thought the stretch was the best option. What else could they do?

It's the best option that involves paying Tim to not play this year. But obviously, that's not a given. Hell, they could give him a lifetime contract that could easily total what he stood to make. But I think they'll stretch him. The math just made it seem like they fit it in perfectly for that scenario.

[Shastafarian]

It's the best option that involves paying Tim to not play this year. But obviously, that's not a given. Hell, they could give him a lifetime contract that could easily total what he stood to make. But I think they'll stretch him. The math just made it seem like they fit it in perfectly for that scenario.

But I thought he already opted in to his final year. So could they re-negotiate that into a FO contract that doesn't count against the cap? I'm confused.

[Chinook]

But I thought he already opted in to his final year. So could they re-negotiate that into a FO contract that doesn't count against the cap? I'm confused.

He's retiring, so the Spurs don't have to pay him. They can if they want -- and they probably will. But if they can figure out a better way to get him his money, it's worth consideration.

[Shastafarian]

He's retiring, so the Spurs don't have to pay him.
Ok got it

[Obstructed_View]

Would love sully just for depth but i dont see it happening

He's more good for width than depth.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs should write Duncan's number off the cap and then hire him as a big man coach for the same price. Would give them the money for a 3rd/4th big and would be perfectly legal.

[kobyz]

Now sign Bourosis, quickly RC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why we need a slower brad miller?

[Jdspur20]

Luis Scola for the vet min? It would be an OK 4th5th big option(assuming the bring someone from overseas).

[GSH]

Why we need a slower brad miller?

Same reason we need a shorter Dejuan Blair, I guess. Or maybe it's because signing a dominant C like Quincy Miller would make the Spurs so good that the league would never approve it?

Name someone better that the Spurs could afford, and who is available.

[kobyz]

Same reason we need a shorter Dejuan Blair, I guess. Or maybe it's because signing a dominant C like Quincy Miller would make the Spurs so good that the league would never approve it?

Name someone better that the Spurs could afford, and who is available.
The game going aside from those kind of players, to more small ball type players...

[NikosChelsea7]

According to NBA Greece , the Celtics, Thunder, Raptors, Pelicans and Spurs have expressed interest in signing Bourousis.

[NASpurs]

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[HarlemHeat37]

He should join the Raptors, he could start at PF and stick it to Boston, too..

Not sure if any respectable GM will touch him, though..talented, but fat and has a terrible attitude..

Smart move by Sullinger, tbh..

[DPG21920]

Smart move by Sullinger, tbh..

Good call - thought of your tweet as soon as I saw that news break. ST has been all over this off season. Of course many of us have missed some, but between connecting dots and knowing the CBA lots of good calls.

[elemento]

Yeah he was smart. That's easily the best place for him. He can play, but I'm not a fan (not comfortable with lazy/fat guys on contract year. I can only imagine him once he gets paid).

[HarlemHeat37]

1 year- 6 mil

Very minimal risk, decent reward ceiling

[ducks]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/report-draymond-green-arrested-for-assault-in-east-lansing-162401461.html

[K...]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/report-draymond-green-arrested-for-assault-in-east-lansing-162401461.html

So it's a slap? They won't charge him over that. He'll settle with victim.

[tbdog]

He's retiring, so the Spurs don't have to pay him. They can if they want -- and they probably will. But if they can figure out a better way to get him his money, it's worth consideration.

They can hire him as a consultant and pay him, no?

[DPG21920]

They can hire him as a consultant and pay him, no?

Yes, but a few notes:

O That might be considered an issue (circumvention of the cap) by the NBA
O That could lead to possible punishment
O Not sure they would care because Tim truly retired (if he stays retired), but the risk is there

It's not that easy, but it's definitely possible. But like I was saying when Tim opted in - this is the only "legal way" for Tim to get his money for sure with no possible ramifications and both Tim and SA may feel more comfortable doing it the right way.

[BillMc]

I was kind of hoping that as soon as Timmy announced his retirement, we'd sign some FA that had been waiting too. Looks like that's not the case...so far.

[HankChinaski]

I was kind of hoping that as soon as Timmy announced his retirement, we'd sign some FA that had been waiting too. Looks like that's not the case...so far.

Today is Duncan's day for Spurs news. I would think tomorrow you will see all the subsequent free agent signings to occur.

[ElNono]

dominoes should start to fall anytime now...

[BillMc]

Today is Duncan's day for Spurs news. I would think tomorrow you will see all the subsequent free agent signings to occur.

Cheers. Hope you're right!

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

It was him or Dedmon. It was never going to be both.

[tonight...you]

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This will please Cutewizard...

[GSH]

It was him or Dedmon. It was never going to be both.


Well no sense whining over it... if he's gone, he's gone.

I never really liked him anyway. :lol

[GSH]

The game going aside from those kind of players, to more small ball type players...

Heh... a lack of dominant bigs will do that. Throw a young Shaq, Tim, 'Zo, DRob, and Hakeem into the gene pool of "The New NBA" and see how much everyone wants to play small ball.

People forget that the West went all-in on snagging the dominant big men, and the East went comparatively small. And those small-ball East teams couldn't sniff a championship. It's a big man's game.

[Solid D]

This should please Kill Bill Panathinaikos.

[NikosChelsea7]

It was him or Dedmon. It was never going to be both.

There is an article here that claims that the Spurs will have a meeting in Las Vegas to decide on whether to spend part of the money they'll have after Tim's retirement on Bourousis or someone else.
Now, my question is: Do the Spurs have the cap space to offer him a contract or are the writers making up stuff as they go along?

[Escawun3]

So... the PFs that have been reported to have interest from the Spurs and are still available are: Jordan Hill, Kriss Humphries and Thomas Robinson.

[HarlemHeat37]

So... the PFs that have been reported to have interest from the Spurs and are still available are: Jordan Hill, Kriss Humphries and Thomas Robinson.

:vomit:

[DPG21920]

My vote is Hump out of that list.

[timtonymanu]

So... the PFs that have been reported to have interest from the Spurs and are still available are: Jordan Hill, Kriss Humphries and Thomas Robinson.

Gross. Still would prefer Terrence Jones but I guess that isn't a possibility.

[kobyz]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool, after Duncan retire, for the near future would not be much passion seeing spurs trying to compete, also will be natural growing pains that come with that change of no Tim, also with warriors getting durant no much chance winning anyway so we better take that time and try to put ourself for better situation for the futere first by using LMA value, try trading him for the Celtic and get some assets!

[GSH]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool


You're just on fire today!!! Every time you post, ST gets re-tooled.

[Ron Swanson]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool, after Duncan retire, for the near future would not be much passion seeing spurs trying to compete, also will be natural growing pains that come with that change of no Tim, also with warriors getting durant no much chance winning anyway so we better take that time and try to put ourself for better situation for the futere first by using LMA value, try trading him for the Celtic and get some assets!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool, after Duncan retire, for the near future would not be much passion seeing spurs trying to compete, also will be natural growing pains that come with that change of no Tim, also with warriors getting durant no much chance winning anyway so we better take that time and try to put ourself for better situation for the futere first by using LMA value, try trading him for the Celtic and get some assets!

kill yourself

[apalisoc_9]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool, after Duncan retire, for the near future would not be much passion seeing spurs trying to compete, also will be natural growing pains that come with that change of no Tim, also with warriors getting durant no much chance winning anyway so we better take that time and try to put ourself for better situation for the futere first by using LMA value, try trading him for the Celtic and get some assets!

Not a bad post.

[kobyz]

kill yourself

Maybe

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[YGWHI]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool
No.

But since he's back on twitter...who knows.

Delete your account LMA!! Again.

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[raybies]

I don't know who we are gonna get to play center that will be cheap. Preferably it would be someone with some experience just in case Dedmon has off days or gets into foul trouble. I guess you can play Aldridge or Gasol at all times when it matters but I think we need depth.

I guess we can bring Milutinov in worst case scenario. As far as prospects go, Zach Auguste has caught my eye. He's playing for the Lakers summer squad. He's pretty solid and knows his role. Prince Ibeh would be a project, and I doubt we want to pick another project. But those are my two I'm following.

With Bourousis starting in Europe, who can we pick up? Any ideas?

[FlAVaK]

You're just on fire today!!! Every time you post, ST gets re-tooled.

:lmao:downspin::toast

[ElNono]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool, after Duncan retire, for the near future would not be much passion seeing spurs trying to compete, also will be natural growing pains that come with that change of no Tim, also with warriors getting durant no much chance winning anyway so we better take that time and try to put ourself for better situation for the futere first by using LMA value, try trading him for the Celtic and get some assets!

https://m.popkey.co/27a16c/Q88rJ.gif

[raybies]

Double post

[Mr. Body]

Heh... a lack of dominant bigs will do that. Throw a young Shaq, Tim, 'Zo, DRob, and Hakeem into the gene pool of "The New NBA" and see how much everyone wants to play small ball.

People forget that the West went all-in on snagging the dominant big men, and the East went comparatively small. And those small-ball East teams couldn't sniff a championship. It's a big man's game.

Id love to see a single one of those big men in the NBA right now. Shaq would rip the Warriors apart.

Except Mourning. He was only okay.

[ace3g]

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He should steal the Spurs' starting PG.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool, after Duncan retire, for the near future would not be much passion seeing spurs trying to compete, also will be natural growing pains that come with that change of no Tim, also with warriors getting durant no much chance winning anyway so we better take that time and try to put ourself for better situation for the futere first by using LMA value, try trading him for the Celtic and get some assets!

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[GSH]

Id love to see a single one of those big men in the NBA right now. Shaq would rip the Warriors apart.

Except Mourning. He was only okay.


I was no fan of Mourning, nor Miami. But Mourning was a strong sonofabitch, and very agile. I tried to tell myself he was over-rated, but I've got to give credit where it's due. Before he got sick, he was a beast.

A lot of people don't remember that he was drafted by the Hornets. And his rookie season he averaged 21 points, 10+ boards, and something like 3.5 blocks. He and Shaq were the first since D-Rob to average 20-10. All-Star in his second season, DPOY twice, runner up for MVP at least once. Hell, he averaged 20-10 and 3+ blocks pretty much every season before the kidney problems. Think about that ... 3+ blocks per game!

No, Mourning was legitimately good, before he got sick. A young, healthy Alonzo Mourning in the league right now would rip some peoples' asses. It's just that DRob, Tim, Shaq, and Hakeem were better. But put a young 'Zo on this year's Spurs team, and they would be scary good. Even if the "New NBA" doesn't like big men.

Put all those guys in the league at one time, like they once were, and they would put a quick end to all the talk of small ball. And, yeah, Shaq would bitch slap Draymond, and send him home to mama. The New NBA is this way because there just aren't many/any dominant bigs right now. I don't know what happened to them, but I'm sure they'll be back. But even without the monsters, I don't think having a big, legit C is optional even now.

[TheGoldStandard]

I was no fan of Mourning, nor Miami. But Mourning was a strong sonofabitch, and very agile. I tried to tell myself he was over-rated, but I've got to give credit where it's due. Before he got sick, he was a beast.

A lot of people don't remember that he was drafted by the Hornets. And his rookie season he averaged 21 points, 10+ boards, and something like 3.5 blocks. He and Shaq were the first since D-Rob to average 20-10. All-Star in his second season, DPOY twice, runner up for MVP at least once. Hell, he averaged 20-10 and 3+ blocks pretty much every season before the kidney problems. Think about that ... 3+ blocks per game!

No, Mourning was legitimately good, before he got sick. A young, healthy Alonzo Mourning in the league right now would rip some peoples' asses. It's just that DRob, Tim, Shaq, and Hakeem were better. But put a young 'Zo on this year's Spurs team, and they would be scary good. Even if the "New NBA" doesn't like big men.

Those Charlotte teams were fun.. Especially with Larry Johnson before the back injury.

[Kikoluna]

Our team has many holes. Great starting 5. Two good bench guys in manu and patty . The rest is crap

[SAGirl]

Maybe
Thank God! I did not want this guy. (Humphries)

[intlspurshk]

Terence jones changed his agent to Den Fegan. I guess there is no chance for Spurs to sign him

[T Park]

Screw it, sign Luis Scola

[cutewizard]

This will please Cutewizard...


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why, why, why....why cant they sign him??????

[Obstructed_View]

I was no fan of Mourning, nor Miami. But Mourning was a strong sonofabitch, and very agile. I tried to tell myself he was over-rated, but I've got to give credit where it's due. Before he got sick, he was a beast.

A lot of people don't remember that he was drafted by the Hornets. And his rookie season he averaged 21 points, 10+ boards, and something like 3.5 blocks. He and Shaq were the first since D-Rob to average 20-10. All-Star in his second season, DPOY twice, runner up for MVP at least once. Hell, he averaged 20-10 and 3+ blocks pretty much every season before the kidney problems. Think about that ... 3+ blocks per game!

No, Mourning was legitimately good, before he got sick. A young, healthy Alonzo Mourning in the league right now would rip some peoples' asses. It's just that DRob, Tim, Shaq, and Hakeem were better. But put a young 'Zo on this year's Spurs team, and they would be scary good. Even if the "New NBA" doesn't like big men.

Put all those guys in the league at one time, like they once were, and they would put a quick end to all the talk of small ball. And, yeah, Shaq would bitch slap Draymond, and send him home to mama. The New NBA is this way because there just aren't many/any dominant bigs right now. I don't know what happened to them, but I'm sure they'll be back. But even without the monsters, I don't think having a big, legit C is optional even now.

Alonzo Mourning told reporters that David Robinson shies away from contact, so fuck him squarely in his overrated ass, tbh.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Terence jones changed his agent to Den Fegan. I guess there is no chance for Spurs to sign him

He's among the best free agents still available. The Spurs shouldn't let Dan Faggon deter them from taking a good look at Jones.

[intlspurshk]

Dan will not allow his player to accept a minimum contract and that's for sure.

[Emperor]

It kinda hit me when i was pigging out at Jollibees earlier. Watched so many youtube clips of past playoff performances of his and almost forgot i had spaghetti and a burger to consume.

[cutewizard]

It kinda hit me when i was pigging out at Jollibees earlier. Watched so many youtube clips of past playoff performances of his and almost forgot i had spaghetti and a burger to consume.


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you are from the Philippine islands, too bro?

[cutewizard]

Ok, the greek center is gone, so who can we sign next??

[Emperor]

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you are from the Philippine islands, too bro?

I live in Vegas and we have a couple Jollibees here but was in Philippines in March and will be back at the end of this month. I love it there, and was proud to see many Spurs fans there aswell.

[Nathan89]

Spurs must trade LMA now and retool, after Duncan retire, for the near future would not be much passion seeing spurs trying to compete, also will be natural growing pains that come with that change of no Tim, also with warriors getting durant no much chance winning anyway so we better take that time and try to put ourself for better situation for the futere first by using LMA value, try trading him for the Celtic and get some assets!

If we don't land a star pg next year then I'd be willing to trade him.

[cutewizard]

I live in Vegas and we have a couple Jollibees here but was in Philippines in March and will be back at the end of this month. I love it there, and was proud to see many Spurs fans there aswell.


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Mabuhay Sir Emperor, long live!

Thanks for your appreciation of Filipino culture!

[cutewizard]

We should try to get at least either Thomas Robinson or failing that, Luis Scola...we lack bigs bigtime right now with the retirement of The Big Fundamental!

[NASpurs]

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[NASpurs]

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Free agent forward Kris Humphries has agreed to a one-year, $4M deal to return to the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.

Oh shit, already posted. I should have checked the previous page. :lol

[8FOR!3]

Scola might actually make sense now. He can take some of those regular season minutes at the 4, we're gonna need them with West gone.

[tav1]

I've accepted that the Spurs will likely hit camp with three legit bigs (Aldridge, Gasol, Dedmon), a stretch 4 hopeful (Anderson), a rookie (LJC), and at least one open roster spot to be filled by a camp invite. Ndoye, LaLanne, and Stokes are likely on that list. Christian Wood would be a good addition, too.

It's difficult to know how the Spurs see their roster, but it looks like:
Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Ginobili/
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/LJC
Gasol/Dedmon/


But because of Anderson's positional fluidity, I could see team going with two bigs instead of one big and one wing. At this point, I doubt the FO has hard commitments. Better to sit back and evaluate the available market. Make a decision later. Maybe something crazy happens, like Chris Bosh receives a buyout. No sense in locking someone up now on more than a generous camp invitation.

[BackHome]

So why do t we trade Kawhi and LMA? That makes no sense. Lol

[TheDoctor]

Those Charlotte teams were fun.. Especially with Larry Johnson before the back injury.

Yup, I remember picking them a lot in NBA JAM.

[gambit1990]

i'll take robinson over scola.

[tbdog]

We should try to get at least either Thomas Robinson or failing that, Luis Scola...we lack bigs bigtime right now with the retirement of The Big Fundamental!

We actually in need of a PF, preferably an hard working, fast feet big. A bonus if he can actually hit midrange shot at a decent clip. We have 2 full time centers in Gasol and Desmond, and LMA can play center and did for about 50% of the time last year. But Anderson is our backup pf, and honestly, you cannot trust that. Let's say LMA goes down for 10 games. Are we seriously going to start Anderson at the 4?

I honestly think we need to trade Mills for a quality big man like Deing if we cannot find a suitable 4.

[NASpurs]

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[Jdspur20]

Well, forget Scola.

[Leetonidas]

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well shit

[gambit1990]

don't see gasol coming off the bench...

but i like this rotation:
lma/robinson
dedmon/gasol

so we'd have have an offensive big & and a young, athletic, rebounder on the court.

[Jdspur20]

Didn't Alex Kennedy tweet a week ago that Spurs were interested in Thomas Robinson? I guess that would have been before Dedmon agreed though. The question is, can the Spurs even afford to offer Robinson anything?

[raybies]

Thomas Robinson anybody?

[tbdog]

With only min contracts, perhaps Quincy Acy is considered.

[Kikoluna]

Man, our roster is bad people. It's going to be ugly. Sure we will win 50 games beating teams like the 76ers, denver, Sacramento etc. But come go time we are getting murdered. After the starting 5, then manu and patty....it's SCARY.

[Thomas82]

What's up with these Tony Parker for Jalil Okafor trade rumors going around on Facebook? I already know that there is no chance of it happening.

[tonight...you]

What's up with these Tony Parker for Jalil Okafor trade rumors going around on Facebook? I already know that there is no chance of it happening.
?

[montgod]

With only min contracts, perhaps Quincy Acy is considered.

If only Josh Smith had better basketball IQ... would be a perfect small ball addition if he could accept a cheap contract.

[Ron Swanson]

Boban to Detroit is official. Wearing #51.

[montgod]

What's up with these Tony Parker for Jalil Okafor trade rumors going around on Facebook? I already know that there is no chance of it happening.

I agree that there is no way, besides they just signed a million PGs I believe including Bayless and Sergio from overseas.

[tbdog]

If only Josh Smith had better basketball IQ... would be a perfect small ball addition if he could accept a cheap contract.

Even if J Smith had better basketball IQ, I don't see the Spurs going after a head case, where two of the last 3 teams have just waived him just to get him out. With TD gone, we lost a lot of leadership to keep the locker room really in check. We still have that family atmosphere with Pop, Manu, Parker etc, but still... No way J Smith, no way.

[montgod]

Even if J Smith had better basketball IQ, I don't see the Spurs going after a head case, where two of the last 3 teams have just waived him just to get him out. With TD gone, we lost a lot of leadership to keep the locker room really in check. We still have that family atmosphere with Pop, Manu, Parker etc, but still... No way J Smith, no way.

Yeah that was a nice way of me saying headcase as well as bball IQ. It's too bad cause physically, he would be a great addition, but not worth the trouble w/o a player like TD in the locker room. Good point.

[tbdog]

Yeah that was a nice way of me saying headcase as well as bball IQ. It's too bad cause physically, he would be a great addition, but not worth the trouble w/o a player like TD in the locker room. Good point.

I think every team in the NBA says the same thing lol. The thing is, he isn't a low risk high reward player that realgm members shout out after every damn min signing. He is a high risk low reward player. He can't shoot, cant hit ft's, and he doesn't change the game enough defensively anymore.

[LakerHater]

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[BillMc]

What happened to the Greek league guy (named started with a B, I'm too lazy to look up the spelling). He's out there isn't he?

[sasaint]

I think every team in the NBA says the same thing lol. The thing is, he isn't a low risk high reward player that realgm members shout out after every damn min signing. He is a high risk low reward player. He can't shoot, cant hit ft's, and he doesn't change the game enough defensively anymore.

Actually I would rather take a flyer on rensure ting and rehabilitating Lance Stephenson. At least he is younger. Not endorsing Stephenson - just prefer him over Josh.

[montgod]

What happened to the Greek league guy (named started with a B, I'm too lazy to look up the spelling). He's out there isn't he?

Decided to stay overseas and signed or about to sign with someone...

[montgod]

Actually I would rather take a flyer on rensure ting and rehabilitating Lance Stephenson. At least he is younger. Not endorsing Stephenson - just prefer him over Josh.

I like his game as well if he isn't acting crazy. I just don't see Spurs being able to afford him. He was already in talks with Pacers on a 3 yr deal.

[BillMc]

Decided to stay overseas and signed or about to sign with someone...

That sucks. Oh well, thanks. :toast

[ceperez]

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Hope we don't regret this 'none' move. It is like we traded Boban and Bobo for Gasol.

[ceperez]

Spurs may sign Damien Inglis

[Obstructed_View]

Hope we don't regret this 'none' move. It is like we traded Boban and Bobo and Duncan for Gasol.

[Chinook]

Spurs may sign Damien Inglis

I really don't think On-Glee is going to be a Spur. He certainly doesn't make sense for the roster. Now, if you're reporting rather than speculating, it's obviously interesting. But if you're simply talking about what you want to happen, you'll probably be disappointed.

[GSH]

What happened to the Greek league guy (named started with a B, I'm too lazy to look up the spelling). He's out there isn't he?


His name is Bourousis. Just remember that it sounds like a skin condition. He sucks, and never would have been a good fit here. Not even worth the min.

(Okay, he decided to play in Greece. They said he had offers from the Clippers and someone else, but not from the Spurs. I think he really wanted to play here, but either the Spurs didn't want him, or he got tired of waiting for them. So now that he's off the table, I never liked him to begin with. :D )

[LakerHater]

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[Obstructed_View]

His name is Bourousis. Just remember that it sounds like a skin condition. He sucks, and never would have been a good fit here. Not even worth the min.

(Okay, he decided to play in Greece. They said he had offers from the Clippers and someone else, but not from the Spurs. I think he really wanted to play here, but either the Spurs didn't want him, or he got tired of waiting for them. So now that he's off the table, I never liked him to begin with. :D )

Are all Greek players complete fucking pussies?

[Ron Swanson]

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Why is Boban hanging out with Ron Jeremy?

[ceperez]

I really don't think On-Glee is going to be a Spur. He certainly doesn't make sense for the roster. Now, if you're reporting rather than speculating, it's obviously interesting. But if you're simply talking about what you want to happen, you'll probably be disappointed.

Just speculating, looking at the dwindling ranks of free agent PFs that Spurs can sign for the minimum.

[NASpurs]

Looking over the list, there's some names that make me think "don't even think about it PATFO" like Boozer for one.

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[montgod]

Grizzlies waive Tony Wroten: http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/206078/grizzlies-waive-tony-wroten.html

[montgod]

Looking over the list, there's some names that make me think "don't even think about it PATFO" like Boozer for one.

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If Motiejunas could just stay healthy... he would be a nice signing. Lawson as well if he could get it together, but seems like he lost 'it'.

[BillMc]

His name is Bourousis. Just remember that it sounds like a skin condition. He sucks, and never would have been a good fit here. Not even worth the min.

(Okay, he decided to play in Greece. They said he had offers from the Clippers and someone else, but not from the Spurs. I think he really wanted to play here, but either the Spurs didn't want him, or he got tired of waiting for them. So now that he's off the table, I never liked him to begin with. :D )

Thanks bro. I thought the rumor was Bourousis would have been a real asset. I guess not.

[SpursFan86]

Didn't Memphis just claim Wroten like a week or 2 ago? :lol

[timtonymanu]

It's still Tim Duncan day, but I wonder when Pau/Manu/Dedmon will officially sign.

[ceperez]

If Motiejunas could just stay healthy... he would be a nice signing. Lawson as well if he could get it together, but seems like he lost 'it'.

I can't figure out Montiejunas... was he not traded and the trade rescinded because of medical reasons? Only to find him play solid minutes come playoff time?

I seriously doubt he'll take minimum considering his age.

[Joseph Kony]

Surprised D-Mo is still on the market. He would be amazing off the bench imo from what I read the whole medical reasons thing was bullshit (but that was I think in an interview with D-mo saying that so who knows) and it may have severely hurt his market value this summer. Would be a nice get but probably someone will offer him more than we can

[Chinook]

The Spurs should be looking for either a really old/washed up vet like Varejao or a young guy with potential but no stock like Cady, Stokes or Ndoye. A player like Terrence Jones would be nice, but I'd prefer someone who can play center with that final spot. I'm not sure if there's a decent Euro center to bring over, but that would obviously be a decent option

[biziofromdowntown]

We'll sign Jordan Hill, book it

[DPG21920]

The Spurs should be looking for either a really old/washed up vet like Varejao or a young guy with potential but no stock like Cady, Stokes or Ndoye. A player like Terrence Jones would be nice, but I'd prefer someone who can play center with that final spot. I'm not sure if there's a decent Euro center to bring over, but that would obviously be a decent option

There is two spots and I would love to see something like Terrence/Motiejunas and a C.

[ceperez]

The Spurs should be looking for either a really old/washed up vet like Varejao or a young guy with potential but no stock like Cady, Stokes or Ndoye. A player like Terrence Jones would be nice, but I'd prefer someone who can play center with that final spot. I'm not sure if there's a decent Euro center to bring over, but that would obviously be a decent option

Sacre is also available. I think Varejao is a nice pick up for the minimum given that he's a decent passer.

[Chinook]

There is two spots and I would love to see something like Terrence/Motiejunas and a C.

I only consider one spot open. Playing small means they'll need one of the non-guaranteed guards.

[Joseph Kony]

Unfortunately D-Mo is a RFA and Houston will likely match anything. Terrence Jones is the best we can hope for at this point

[jyra]

Ayon is back on the market. His deal with Madrid apparently fell through (they signed Anthony Randolph instead).

[NikosChelsea7]

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[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/742453347030966273/EXg2EWvP_bigger.jpg Bobby Marks Verified account ‏@BobbyMarks42 (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42)

Spurs projected cap breakdown (with the Tim Duncan waiver). Includes the 1st rd. Livio-Jean Charles cap hold. http://yhoo.it/293O0ur (https://t.co/Ya7yRnmz0q)

[beirmeistr]

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[Snaq O'Meal]

Ayon is back on the market. His deal with Madrid apparently fell through (they signed Anthony Randolph instead).

Ayon's greater mobility makes him a better fit than Bourousis.

[outmap]

Ok, the greek center is gone, so who can we sign next??

PF & C
Thomas Robinson, Cole Aldrich, Terrence Jones, Tyler Hansbrough, JJ Hickson, Jordan Hill, Jason Thompson.

[ElNono]

translation?

"honored to play with duncan, he was a monster, etc"

[SAGirl]

The Spurs should be looking for either a really old/washed up vet like Varejao or a young guy with potential but no stock like Cady, Stokes or Ndoye. A player like Terrence Jones would be nice, but I'd prefer someone who can play center with that final spot. I'm not sure if there's a decent Euro center to bring over, but that would obviously be a decent option
If they don't bring Milutinov, who raybies reported was in the stands in SL, I think Pop goes washed up vet route. I just know he has to have the token vet for when he's angry at others out there. There could be a Bonner (yikes!, or Butler type) but its uphill bc we are no longer considered a "contender" by some so we won't get ring chasers like Dwest and even Humphries got 4 mill a year (yuck!)

[sasaint]

PF & C
Thomas Robinson, Cole Aldrich, Terrence Jones, Tyler Hansbrough, JJ Hickson, Jordan Hill, Jason Thompson.

Unfortunately, Aldrich is off the market. Signed by T-wolves, IIRC.

[sasaint]

If they don't bring Milutinov, who raybies reported was in the stands in SL, I think Pop goes washed up vet route. I just know he has to have the token vet for when he's angry at others out there. There could be a Bonner (yikes!, or Butler type) but its uphill bc we are no longer considered a "contender" by some so we won't get ring chasers like Dwest and even Humphries got 4 mill a year (yuck!)

Not "a Bonner" but "Bonner". To me it is beginning to look like the return of the Red Rocket.

[objective]

If LJC is playing, his contract must have been finished it he wasn't playing before.

I wonder if the Spurs were able to strongarm him into only taking 80%. Might be a way to squeeze a tiny, tiny extra bit of cap room.

[Chinook]

If LJC is playing, his contract must have been finished it he wasn't playing before.

I wonder if the Spurs were able to strongarm him into only taking 80%. Might be a way to squeeze a tiny, tiny extra bit of cap room.

I doubt it. First, because that's awfully bitch-made to do to a stashed guy. Second, because the timing with Duncan being waived suggests 120 percent.

[elemento]

As long as SA doesn't give another contract to Bonner, I'm ok with any guy for the 2 remaining spots tbh.

[td4mvp2k]

As long as SA doesn't give another contract to Bonner, I'm ok with any guy for the 2 remaining spots tbh.

or they could leave a spot open till midseason which i think they should do at this pt

[GSH]

Thanks bro. I thought the rumor was Bourousis would have been a real asset. I guess not.


Oh, no, I think he was the best backup big that the Spurs had a legit chance of signing. I was just playing sour grapes. Like all the people who never really wanted Durant, after they found out he signed with Golden State.

Bourousis made several statements about playing with the Spurs. I honestly don't know for sure if the Spurs tried to get him. They may not have liked him as much as I did, because the article about him playing in Greece said that he had offers from the Clippers and someone else (maybe Denver?).

He sort of snubbed the Spurs a few years back. Maybe there are some hard feelings, I don't know. But he said that he thought he made a mistake by not coming to the Spurs. It sure sounded like he was trying to get their attention this offseason. The thing I thought would be a bonus was that he and Bertans have played together, and would already have some chemistry.

[GSH]

Ayon is back on the market. His deal with Madrid apparently fell through (they signed Anthony Randolph instead).

Ayon never looked as good as I expected, and he had some injury problems. But considering some of the alternatives I'm seeing, he might be worth a look.

[objective]

I doubt it. First, because that's awfully bitch-made to do to a stashed guy. Second, because the timing with Duncan being waived suggests 120 percent.

Eh, spurs try to get over on first rounders all the time. They could always renounce him, that's the leverage.

Don't know about the timing, but that could be it. Why wouldn't Bertans be done?

[Chinook]

Eh, spurs try to get over on first rounders all the time. They could always renounce him, that's the leverage.

That's not leverage. That's FO suicide. There is literally not a worse thing you can do to a player that is not illegal.


Don't know about the timing, but that could be it. Why wouldn't Bertans be done?

Bertans will be done at around the same time as Gasol. But if the Spurs want to sign anyone to a deal that isn't a min contract (meaning also for more than two seasons), then they really need to do it before they start signing their over-the-cap guys. Bertans has to fit into that slot with Pau, so they're going to coordinate those salaries around any other plan with cap space before finalizing them, whereas we pretty much know what LJC will make no matter what.

[cutewizard]

Hope we can still get Thomas Robinson in some way, he is a ferocious rebounder, and we all know rebounding leads to wins!

[sasaint]

Ayon is back on the market. His deal with Madrid apparently fell through (they signed Anthony Randolph instead).

I wish we had kicked the tires on Anthony Randolph, tbh.

[montgod]

That's not leverage. That's FO suicide. There is literally not a worse thing you can do to a player that is not illegal.



Bertans will be done at around the same time as Gasol. But if the Spurs want to sign anyone to a deal that isn't a min contract (meaning also for more than two seasons), then they really need to do it before they start signing their over-the-cap guys. Bertans has to fit into that slot with Pau, so they're going to coordinate those salaries around any other plan with cap space before finalizing them, whereas we pretty much know what LJC will make no matter what.

Quick question, haven't other teams renounced their first rounders in order to gain cap room or is this a different situation with LJC? Just trying to fully understand. Thanks Chinook!

[raybies]

I don't know what kind of promises they've made him. But I really hope that they didn't just guarantee him a roster spot. He's played four seasons, and the numbers don't look very good - especially on the boards. He was too skinny, and he's only put on a few pounds. To be fair, he's improved year after year, and I know that's something Pop believes in. But he started so low, he had a lot of room for improvement.

I'm just saying - I hope renouncing is still on the table. A rookie contract is only a bargain if there is any chance of him seeing floor time. Right now I'm not so sure. It would be a shame to be saddled with any bad contracts for three years.

on a rookie contract, near the minimum in this era of this salary cap, it will not be a bad contract. He came here for two things and two things alone and that is defense and rebounding. I don't know what y'all seen but I thought he performed these two things well enough. He got beat a couple times but for the most part he played solid defense. At least two blocks and two steals in limited minutes and first game in. He will never be a star or put up big numbers. He just needs to do two things, I repeat, defense and rebound. It was a mixed bag, tonight. He showed exceptional defense on some possessions and got outplayed on others, but overall it was encouraging. One possession on the perimeter, against Dinwiddie, he forced him to pass the ball just on solid technique. Dinwiddie had nothing and on one possession against Portis, same thing, passed the ball out cause he didn't get anything. That was the play where Portis pushed him in the back. My point, is that most people expect perfection, or are so quick to judge. He got beat a couple times. Everyone gets beat at some times. He missed some shot. Everyone misses shots. If judge solely off production alone then you are missing the intangibles. He's cheap and he's nothing more than a 14th or 15th player on a rotation at this point. He can play situationally next year/

[GSH]

That's not leverage. That's FO suicide. There is literally not a worse thing you can do to a player that is not illegal.


Really? So a stash player that doesn't develop should be given a roster spot (and a guaranteed contract) no matter what? What if a guy decides to come right away, when the Spurs want him to stay in Europe? Or after only one year, when they thought he was a project?

I'm not trying to just be argumentative, I'm curious. I know that first-rounders have been renounced, but not many. But stash players are another thing. Or at least I thought they were. I always just assumed that they picked LJC partly because they didn't have a roster spot for a late-first-round rookie at that time. So they wanted someone who they knew for sure wouldn't be NBA-ready, but who MIGHT have some upside.

LJC wouldn't have been able to get a min contract with any NBA team that first year. Or after his second year with Asvel. I can't believe that a guy in that situation would be able to just announce that he's coming, and be entitled to a roster spot and guaranteed contract. And his improvement since then has been small and slow. But maybe there's a protocol for these things?

[Kawhitstorm]

The Spurs should be looking for either a really old/washed up vet like Varejao or a young guy with potential but no stock like Cady, Stokes or Ndoye. A player like Terrence Jones would be nice, but I'd prefer someone who can play center with that final spot. I'm not sure if there's a decent Euro center to bring over, but that would obviously be a decent option

I don't see the point of signing Sideshow Bob as if he's playable against the Duds.:lol If they aren't gunning for the Duds then might as well develop young players like Stokes.

[Chinook]

Quick question, haven't other teams renounced their first rounders in order to gain cap room or is this a different situation with LJC? Just trying to fully understand. Thanks Chinook!

They really don't. That is a huge middle finger to the NBPA and FIBA to do that. LJC literally cancelled all of his workouts with other teams because the Spurs proposed this plan to him. For all we know, he could have been a completely different player had someone else selected him -- a better player with more money in his pocket. And he'd likely not be a worse one or have less money. He would have completely put his trust in the organization only for them to shit on him when it was the slightest bit convenient for them. It would be by far the worst thing they've ever done to a player.

[Chinook]

Really? So a stash player that doesn't develop should be given a roster spot (and a guaranteed contract) no matter what?

Yes. No matter what. That is the trade-off for there being a rookie scale. AND it's a double trade-off of them stashing a first-rounder. It's a system completely built on trust, and the Spurs couldn't get away with breaking it so egregiously without facing harsh consequences.


I know that first-rounders have been renounced, but not many

I can't think of any, especially those who didn't do something illegal.


ut stash players are another thing. Or at least I thought they were. I always just assumed that they picked LJC partly because they didn't have a roster spot for a late-first-round rookie at that time. So they wanted someone who they knew for sure wouldn't be NBA-ready, but who MIGHT have some upside.

By agreeing to be stashed, LJC agreed to delay millions of dollars in compensation on the promise that he'd get it later on. That he did his part of waiting while not being able to engage other NBA teams for three years means that the Spurs are more than obligated to do their part.


LJC wouldn't have been able to get a min contract with any NBA team that first year.

That's not true. The dude had high stock coming out of the Nike Hoops Summit. The Spurs gave him a promise, and he essentially shut down all of his workouts. He likely would have been drafted in the top 40 anyway. He was 18 and at the time better than folks like Embiid, Vonleh and Jabari. He wasn't going to be drafted over them, of course. But, yeah. he looked good.


I can't believe that a guy in that situation would be able to just announce that he's coming, and be entitled to a roster spot and guaranteed contract.

Yes, he can. The same way that Thomas did last season, but there's no min tender for the Spurs to give LJC to bring him into camp.


But maybe there's a protocol for these things?

Of course there is. The CBA allows them to renounce him. It's perfectly legal. It's just FO suicide.

[ElNono]

By agreeing to be stashed, LJC agreed to delay millions of dollars in compensation on the promise that he'd get it later on. That he did his part of waiting while not being able to engage other NBA teams for three years means that the Spurs are more than obligated to do their part.

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Of course there is. The CBA allows them to renounce him. It's perfectly legal. It's just FO suicide.

The Spurs have traded players in similar situations before (see: Scola, Luis). They could do the same with LJC.

[objective]

eh. Bulls renounced Travis Knight. Didn't kill the franchise.

Suicide or negotiating? Spurs have been documented as one of the very few teams to go cajole first rounders into taking less. if a player with a bum knee, few skills, and might not be in high demand in Europe, maybe he and his agent would take the bait, that's all I was suggesting. It's not like the Spurs would renounce and then offer the unguaranteed minimum. 80-120% is negotiable. Winning at the margins is what teams like the Spurs need to do to get an edge.

We'll see if he got 120. Maybe he did.

[GSH]

Yes. No matter what. That is the trade-off for there being a rookie scale. AND it's a double trade-off of them stashing a first-rounder. It's a system completely built on trust, and the Spurs couldn't get away with breaking it so egregiously without facing harsh consequences.
I can't think of any, especially those who didn't do something illegal.
By agreeing to be stashed, LJC agreed to delay millions of dollars in compensation on the promise that he'd get it later on. That he did his part of waiting while not being able to engage other NBA teams for three years means that the Spurs are more than obligated to do their part.
That's not true. The dude had high stock coming out of the Nike Hoops Summit. The Spurs gave him a promise, and he essentially shut down all of his workouts. He likely would have been drafted in the top 40 anyway. He was 18 and at the time better than folks like Embiid, Vonleh and Jabari. He wasn't going to be drafted over them, of course. But, yeah. he looked good.
Yes, he can. The same way that Thomas did last season, but there's no min tender for the Spurs to give LJC to bring him into camp.
Of course there is. The CBA allows them to renounce him. It's perfectly legal. It's just FO suicide.


I come here to learn. Welcome to the team, LJC.

I will say this: I remember when LJC was drafted. I don't think there was any way he goes in the first round to any team that thought he would be playing for them that first year. (He almost didn't go in the first round.) It was probably too early for him to declare, but that's on him. Three picks later, and there's no rookie guarantee. If that's the understanding, that's the understanding. I'll take your word for it. But I still say that there is no way... zero... that anyone would have handed that kid a guaranteed deal that year. If there wasn't an understanding that he needed to develop, there should have been. But I don't make the rules.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have traded players in similar situations before (see: Scola, Luis). They could do the same with LJC.

Scola wasn't a first-rounder. Had he been, he could have been a Spur in all likelihood.

[Chinook]

eh. Bulls renounced Travis Knight. Didn't kill the franchise.

The Bulls did sort of fall apart soon after that, though that probably had to do with Jordan retiring and Pippen moving on. But that was pre-rookie scale.


Suicide or negotiating?

Suicide.


Spurs have been documented as one of the very few teams to go cajole first rounders into taking less

Yes, and that may be a reason why Paul was such a hard-ass in negotiations about Murray. However, they rarely do in the first year with picks, because they often add incentives, which as mentioned always count against the cap the first season.


80-120% is negotiable.

It's really, really not. Not reasonably. Sure, it happens -- and with the Spurs more than most. But it's so rare that it sticks out, even more so with this new cap climate.


Winning at the margins is what teams like the Spurs need to do to get an edge.

Making them sound an awful lot like the Patriots now.

[ElNono]

Scola wasn't a first-rounder. Had he been, he could have been a Spur in all likelihood.

With Scola there was a lot of chatter about the Spurs and his agent not wanting to bring him over or trade him, an uncomfortable situation, until they eventually accommodated him.

Then again, Scola's stock was high at the time, I can't say the same about LJC. I don't know there's team eager to get him, but I suppose you could always get a 2nd round pick for him.

[Chinook]

With Scola there was a lot of chatter about the Spurs and his agent not wanting to bring him over or trade him, an uncomfortable situation, until they eventually accommodated him.

Then again, Scola's stock was high at the time, I can't say the same about LJC. I don't know there's team eager to get him, but I suppose you could always get a 2nd round pick for him.

The rookie scale makes all of the difference. Had Scola been a first-rounder, the team could have signed him to a cheap deal without worrying about the MLE. But they didn't have a way to keep his contract cost down, so they had to move him. LJC has a set contract for nearly one percent of the cap. The two situations aren't remotely comparable.

[eDizzle20]

Does anyone know what the deal with Milutinov is? I thought he was supposed to play in SL. Are the Spurs actually trying to sign him for this upcoming season?

[objective]

. The Bulls did sort of fall apart soon after that, though that probably had to do with Jordan retiring and Pippen moving on. But that was pre-rookie scale.

They were such a failure that they won two titles after renouncing Knight .... so ... ? And there WAS a rookie scale. Guaranteed three years. That's why Knight was renounced, so they wouldn't have to pay. The guaranteed years was the compromise with rookie scale in response to end high salaries and hold outs along rookies like Glenn Robinson and Jim Jackson. Michael Jordan was so offended at the Bulls that he signed another deal to play for the Bulls.


's really, really not. Not reasonably. Sure, it happens -- and with the Spurs more than most. But it's so rare that it sticks out, even more so with this new cap climate.

It is when there's leverage. Little leverage with a Rich Paul client, or someone else who 'fell' into range like Anderson. But for other cases? They used leverage on Hill. He was a small school guy no one had in the first. There was another. I'll pull up the numbers if I have to. They've done it. Case closed.


Making them sound an awful lot like the Patriots now.

That's who they've been compared to before. They don't have the finances of most teams with that aba deal.

[raybies]

Does anyone know what the deal with Milutinov is? I thought he was supposed to play in SL. Are the Spurs actually trying to sign him for this upcoming season?

related news, just popped up on Twitter. If they are interested maybe they know something we don't; like he's staying over another year.

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[Chinook]

They were such a failure that they won two titles after renouncing Knight .... so ... ? And there WAS a rookie scale. Guaranteed three years. That's why Knight was renounced, so they wouldn't have to pay. The guaranteed years was the compromise with rookie scale in response to end high salaries and hold outs along rookies like Glenn Robinson and Jim Jackson. Michael Jordan was so offended at the Bulls that he signed another deal to play for the Bulls.

I think you misunderstood half of what I was saying (half of it was a joke). But yeah, there was guaranteed contracts, but it wasn't quite the same as it is now. And that was the second year of the scaling, so if that's the best you've got.


It is when there's leverage.

There's acceptable leverage and there's unacceptable leverage. When you and a player work out an agreement and then you back out on your half, that's not acceptable. That would be like giving a player a bunch of DNPs his contract year to drop his value. Sure, you CAN do it, but it's wrong.


They used leverage on Hill.

Hill got 120 percent his first year.


I'll pull up the numbers if I have to. They've done it. Case closed.

Don't bring this shit to me like I wasn't the first person talking about it this off-season. Yes, they have done it. I know that and pointed it out when talking about Murray not playing. But it's not normal. It's extremely abnormal. And a team that really doesn't need cap isn't likely to do it, especially without incentives to let the player make up the difference. Those incentives are part of the cap during the first year, hence why Hill got 120 percent.


That's who they've been compared to before. They don't have the finances of most teams with that aba deal.

That deal is done now, or it's almost there. And no, the Spurs haven't been compared to THAT part of New England yet. And I pray they don't get there, because I will stop watching them if they become shady like that.

[objective]

But yeah, there was guaranteed contracts, but it wasn't quite the same as it is now. And that was the second year of the scaling, so if that's the best you've got.

You JUST posted that Travis Knight was "before rookie scale". You were wrong. And now your response is "yeah. Is that the best you've got?". Hell, that's all I needed.

Also, When ever I'm wrong, I'm happy to admit it. Like ...


Hill got 120 percent his first year

Correct. My mistake. They still used leverage on his deal, just not the first two years. They used it on Anderson's deal.


Yes, they have done i

Agreed.


That deal is done now, or it's almost there.

Sorry man, you've missed the point. There was an agreement, yes. But the Spurs don't get out for free. They're still paying off a settlement with real money. Big money. All they did was buy their way out of paying for the rest of time. Looks like the Spurs share of paying off the bulk payment was $125 million. And the articles at the time mention that there was still more money owed as part of a partnership deal.

That's more than enough to impact the Spurs, and motivate shrewdness for many years to come

I wasn't speaking to anything like deflate gate or illegal video stuff. More on the likes of Brady taking a lot less than market value to keep the team competitive. Picking up ring chasers. Trusting in coaching to elevate the fringe player to a useful piece. Not overpaying for middling talent. Etc.

I don't think negotiating within the framework allowed is on par with cheating.

Speaking of negotiating, do you really think that LJC would have insisted on taking the scale if he had blown up into a domestic mvp like splitter? Splitter didn't take scale, even though he showed up a press conference promising to come the next year (at scale). And despite being betrayed, the Spurs didn't hold him took it because he had the leverage of staying in Europe and making a lot.

If LJC was so awesome, he'd have offers to leverage the Spurs into more money, room money, maybe more.

Also, the Spurs rep among foreign players could probably survive a lot. They have probably spent over six figures repairing and rehabbing guys who have never and will never be Spurs, as well as providing coaching and development work to guys who still haven't signed. I'm skeptical that a fringe player would derail 15+ years of all that and more.

[GSH]

Several people here asked "Why would we want Bourousis". He's signed with Pana now, so he's totally off the table. But here's why we would have waned him:

Bourousis is the second-best rebounder in EuroLeague history (1,444), also ranking fifth in performance index rating (2,922), 16th in scoring (2,149 points), second in blocks (176) and seventh in games played (251). An accomplished player with the Greek national team, Bourousis collected a EuroBasket gold medal in 2005 and a bronze in 2009.

Bourousis was also chosen as EuroLeague MVP for March, averaging 18.4 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 1.3 steals in five games that month.

[Obstructed_View]

Anyone asking why the Spurs would want Bourousis haven't watched the SL bigs.

[K...]

You JUST posted that Travis Knight was "before rookie scale". You were wrong. And now your response is "yeah. Is that the best you've got?". Hell, that's all I needed.

Also, When ever I'm wrong, I'm happy to admit it. Like ...



Correct. My mistake. They still used leverage on his deal, just not the first two years. They used it on Anderson's deal.



Agreed.



Sorry man, you've missed the point. There was an agreement, yes. But the Spurs don't get out for free. They're still paying off a settlement with real money. Big money. All they did was buy their way out of paying for the rest of time. Looks like the Spurs share of paying off the bulk payment was $125 million. And the articles at the time mention that there was still more money owed as part of a partnership deal.

That's more than enough to impact the Spurs, and motivate shrewdness for many years to come

I wasn't speaking to anything like deflate gate or illegal video stuff. More on the likes of Brady taking a lot less than market value to keep the team competitive. Picking up ring chasers. Trusting in coaching to elevate the fringe player to a useful piece. Not overpaying for middling talent. Etc.

I don't think negotiating within the framework allowed is on par with cheating.

Speaking of negotiating, do you really think that LJC would have insisted on taking the scale if he had blown up into a domestic mvp like splitter? Splitter didn't take scale, even though he showed up a press conference promising to come the next year (at scale). And despite being betrayed, the Spurs didn't hold him took it because he had the leverage of staying in Europe and making a lot.

If LJC was so awesome, he'd have offers to leverage the Spurs into more money, room money, maybe more.

Also, the Spurs rep among foreign players could probably survive a lot. They have probably spent over six figures repairing and rehabbing guys who have never and will never be Spurs, as well as providing coaching and development work to guys who still haven't signed. I'm skeptical that a fringe player would derail 15+ years of all that and more.

Afaik, splitter backed out bc his sister was sick. Splitter was also subject to buyouts which needed negotiating. Ljc is a new kind of stash pic.


You have the Manu type....professional players who want to play in the nba but don't need to.

And the Tony type....young guys who really haven't made their name yet.

The second type, young guys are much more like regular draft pick in what the spurs owe them

[Chinook]

You JUST posted that Travis Knight was "before rookie scale". You were wrong.

I was thinking it was before the rookie scale, but it was in the second season of that scale, which was an antiquated version of the current one. I was indeed wrong on that fact, but it doesn't matter, because...


And now your response is "yeah. Is that the best you've got?". Hell, that's all I needed.

Yeah, because that's the one time in 22 years of rookie-scale deals. That's once in 651 chances. That example only shows that it's possible, not that it's a viable option. As far as the consequences go, we don't know -- or at least I don't. I have no idea if guys resisted be stashed by Chicago for years due to that. I don't know if free agents stopped wanting to come after Jordan left because they hated the FO. That was before my time, and it was before the time where news like that was easily accessible to the public. What I do know is that doing things like breaking draft promises are huge no-nos now, and this is a couple orders of magnitude worse.

Both LJC and Milutinov were FAs who decided to take long-term contracts overseas at the Spurs' request. Do you think other players would be willing to do that if they know that the Spurs will back out on the agreement years later? Do you think international agents are going to want their clients going to the Spurs after they completely fucked over one of their players? No. The Spurs have no more leverage with LJC than they did with making Scola take a small contract to come over.


Sorry man, you've missed the point.

No. Your point is that they're so poor that they'd take a couple hundred thousand from a guy when they just had a big tax bill and would use that money regardless of who got it. Your actual point never made sense, but the general idea that that contract is still hanging over the teams' heads is overstated. The team wouldn't have made that deal if it crippled them financially.


Speaking of negotiating, do you really think that LJC would have insisted on taking the scale if he had blown up into a domestic mvp like splitter? Splitter didn't take scale, even though he showed up a press conference promising to come the next year (at scale). And despite being betrayed, the Spurs didn't hold him took it because he had the leverage of staying in Europe and making a lot.

Splitter wasn't promised. In fact, he fell. Dude was a lottery talent, but teams didn't want to wait on him. In fact, it would've been to his benefit to drop to the second round like what happened with Pek. Only reason why he was going to come over is because he trusted the Spurs FO. His sister dying changed that. And while I don't recall seeing that press conference, I doubt Splitter promised to come over (and especially that he specifically said he wanted to take the rookie scale). He probably just said that was his intention, which is completely different than a team making a draft promise.


Also, the Spurs rep among foreign players could probably survive a lot.

It would be much worse than what happened to the Pats and Spygate. In the same way the media and most fans never gave the team the benefit of the doubt again, the Spurs wouldn't get it after LJC. Difference is that fans being annoyed doesn't really matter to an NFL team, while the foreign basketball community matters a ton to the Spurs.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Anyone asking why the Spurs would want Bourousis haven't watched the SL bigs.

This, tbh.

[Chinook]

Anyone asking why the Spurs would want Bourousis haven't watched the SL bigs.

They have too many. Needed to just focus on Cady, LJC and Ndoye like they did last year. I like CJ Williams, but he shouldn't be starting or getting minutes at the four.

[objective]

If Durant had decided to sign, but only for the max, and the cap number had worked out that it was either shrink LJC for that last bit, or lose Durant, you are certain they'd tell Durant, "No thanks. We got this guy, he blew out his knee, hasn't done much since, but we just can't ask him to give up the money. Sorry KD!"

Because that's what you're saying.


. Your actual point never made sense, but the general idea that that contract is still hanging over the teams' heads is overstated.

The point was about how the Spurs had to operate in ways that other teams didn't have to in order to be successful, and finances play a role in that. Creative finances. You already know the they, as much if not more than other teams, had not given full 120% in past instances. Why else would they have ever done that? Just for fun? Why would they have done that when the 'protocol' followed by nearly every other team was to pay full 120 full four years?


Splitter wasn't promised. ....

Do you think LJC and his agent would have accepted scale if he had exploded into a star?


What I do know is that doing things like breaking draft promises are huge no-nos now, and this is a couple orders of magnitude worse

Teams have broken draft promises before, I believe I heard Givony or another draft guy break it down on a podcast recently. I might try to find it. But about renouncements, yes, it did happen before. Why dismiss history?


Both LJC and Milutinov were FAs who decided to take long-term contracts overseas at the Spurs' request. Do you think other players would be willing to do that if they know that the Spurs will back out on the agreement years later? Do you think international agents are going to want their clients going to the Spurs after they completely fucked over one of their players? No. The Spurs have no more leverage with LJC than they did with making Scola take a small contract to come over.

I think the Spurs tell agents and players that truth as it is at the time. That they like the player, but don't think that have room or a role for the player. If the player is fine not coming over, they can keep him on their board. But there's the risk that if the player pushes their luck, it could end badly for them. And if agents and players aren't comfortable with that, they can try to force their way out of the first round. Guys have done it before.

And sometimes players push their luck and win. The Rockets wanted Capela to stash himself to get more room in pursuit of Bosh. He refused. They then had 3 choices: sign, trade, or renounce. He was promising enough that they put up with it.

Second rounders push their luck too sometimes, and I'm pretty sure I remember that happening with the Spurs. They're not owed anything so the leverage is a little different, though not drastically as the renouncing is a last resort threat for first rounders.