Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[gambit1990]

must be nice being a millionaire in denver (or anywhere).

when i was there last summer... the first dispensary i went to... dave chappelle was there!

[Ice009]

must be nice being a millionaire in denver (or anywhere).

when i was there last summer... the first dispensary i went to... dave chappelle was there!

What a weird coincidence that you bought up Dave Chappelle. I just mentioned his name to a workmate earlier today. I was wondering where he disappeared to.

[tbdog]

https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/755310596292173828

[tbdog]

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[Jdspur20]

Thomas Robonson still on the market?

[Mal]

Thomas Robonson still on the market?

Yesterday one of Plumlees with fucking 5.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg or something like that, just got 52/4. Market is a joke

[tmtcsc]

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Sources on @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical): Oklahoma City has rescinded qualifying offer on Dion Waiters, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent.


Hmmm, I wonder what Presti is up to. JR Smith?

[MaNu4Tres]

Hmmm, I wonder what Presti is up to. JR Smith?

Oladipo.

[tmtcsc]

Oladipo.

They can still afford both can't they? Wouldn't Waiters come off the bench? He hasn't even received an offer from another team. Maybe they are afraid he will be a malcontent.

[MaNu4Tres]

They can still afford both can't they? Wouldn't Waiters come off the bench? He hasn't even received an offer from another team. Maybe they are afraid he will be a malcontent.

They are thinking ahead. They wouldn't be able to afford Dipo and Adams next year if they gave Waiters or Smith their market value.

[tmtcsc]

Does Beno Udrich have anything left?

[montgod]

Does Beno Udrich have anything left?

Heat were showing interest I believe. BTW, usually old pg never return to the Spurs if they played for Pop in past lol.

[Obstructed_View]

(Imo will be better than Isaiah, he really is a playmaker)

I read this and thought you meant Isiah, and started to reply. Thought the bar was a bit high. Nothing to see here. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Does Beno Udrich have anything left?

I'm sure he has a big, "fuck you" for the Spurs if they have the balls to contact him.

[r0drig0lac]

I read this and thought you meant Isiah, and started to reply. Thought the bar was a bit high. Nothing to see here. :lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[montgod]

I'm sure he has a big, "fuck you" for the Spurs if they have the balls to contact him.

basically

[djohn14]

Sam Amico tweets that Greg Monroe is on the block and the Spurs are interested. Dosen't make much sense to me.

http://amicohoops.net/latest-waiters-monroe-pistons-gasol/

[TheGreatYacht]

Greg Monroe? Wtf that makes no sense. No way we can afford him unless we swap Parker or Ginobili for him straight up, or trade Green + Mills + Anderson

Anderson is trash and Milwaukee will take him since he's tall and has a big reach. Mills is expandable now with Forbes on the team, but Green? Wtf

[GSH]

The Spurs organization has to be the best place to land a job as an assistant of any kind. Other teams just keep hiring them away:

Marc J. Spears: Suns hire Marlon Garnett as asst. coach/player development coordinator from Spurs where he worked in player development/video coordinator. 19 hours ago – via Twitter MarcJSpearsESPN

[tmtcsc]

Greg Monroe? Wtf that makes no sense. No way we can afford him unless we swap Parker or Ginobili for him straight up, or trade Green + Mills + Anderson

Anderson is trash and Milwaukee will take him since he's tall and has a big reach. Mills is expandable now with Forbes on the team, but Green? Wtf

The Spurs could always move Parker but I'm not sure who they could sign to replace him. Also, Not sure how Monroe would fit with the team. Would he come off the bench?

[K...]

Greg Monroe? Wtf that makes no sense. No way we can afford him unless we swap Parker or Ginobili for him straight up, or trade Green + Mills + Anderson

Anderson is trash and Milwaukee will take him since he's tall and has a big reach. Mills is expandable now with Forbes on the team, but Green? Wtf

The article mentions a third team. You hear that often enough to wonder if the spurs have ongoing negotiations, or it could just be bs boilerplate name dropping.
But if this were true, does it suggest that pau to the bench is more likely? Lma/ Monroe, then pau/dedmon?

[TheGreatYacht]

The Spurs could always move Parker but I'm not sure who they could sign to replace him. Also, Not sure how Monroe would fit with the team. Would he come off the bench?
I could only see us doing that trade if MCW is included. The Bucks have no use for him anymore with Delly being the backup PG now.

This is such a random rumor that it might be true tbh :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

The article mentions a third team. You hear that often enough to wonder if the spurs have ongoing negotiations, or it could just be bs boilerplate name dropping.
But if this were true, does it suggest that pau to the bench is more likely? Lma/ Monroe, then pau/dedmon?
That big rotation might be the best in franchise history :wow (Prime Timmy usually played with bum bigs next to him)

[MaNu4Tres]

The Spurs could always move Parker but I'm not sure who they could sign to replace him. Also, Not sure how Monroe would fit with the team. Would he come off the bench?

Monroe makes absolutely no sense right now.

Spurs were probably interested when things were unclear with Gasol. A trade for him made some sense with the cap space Spurs had if they whiffed in FA and Duncan retired. Not the case anymore now that Gasol signed.

[I. Hustle]

The Spurs are going back to playing big man ball. They played out the small ball and are going to flip the script on the rest of the league. TP will be the smallest on the team. His backup pg will be a 6'9" or taller kid.

[Spur|n|Austin]

^ Do ya'll think Pau would play limited bench minutes or what??

No way Monroe happens with Pau now on the squad.. Come on mannn.

[tmtcsc]

Assuming they moved TP to get him:

Kawhi Leonard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Pau Gasol
Danny Green
POINT GUARD ?

Greg Monroe
Dedmon
Patty Mills
Manu Ginobili
Kyle Anderson

Jonathan Simmons
Davis Bertans
Dejounte Murray
Bryn Forbes
Archiholdthemayo

[Obstructed_View]

Greg Monroe? Wtf that makes no sense. No way we can afford him unless we swap Parker or Ginobili for him straight up, or trade Green + Mills + Anderson

Anderson is trash and Milwaukee will take him since he's tall and has a big reach. Mills is expandable now with Forbes on the team, but Green? Wtf

SOLD!

[GSH]

The Spurs could always move Parker but I'm not sure who they could sign to replace him.


That's been the problem all along, and it's the reason I was talking about the Spurs taking a year to re-build a month ago. They had too many needs to fill, and not enough money to fill them, and if they trade to fill one hole it opens up another. I didn't see any way around it then, and I don't see any way around it now.

With the pieces they have added, they have the makings of a "pretty good" team. I don't think they have the horses to really challenge for a ring without some very good luck, and maybe some bad luck for a few other teams. The last pick of the lottery this year was Denzel Valentine. He looked pretty damn good in SL. (He's the guy I said the Spurs should have tried to move up for.)

At this point, I don't think the Spurs will break their string of consecutive 50-win seasons. But the accumulated weight of getting one of the last few picks in EVERY damn draft for that long eventually adds up. That's a lot of what we're feeling now. Yeah, Tim retired. But that's the point. When you don't have new (cheap) talent infusions, there's no margin for error. The Spurs have done an incredible job of making up for it. But that can't go on forever. Maybe if their stashes all turned out to be gems, but that's not even reasonable.

[San Antonio Slayer]

we needed to improve our lack of athleticism and rebounding+find a good starting center to replace TD. Gasol can be a starter but he can't solve the rebounding and athleticism problem at his age. Monroe is a way better starting center. I would love to have such a rebounder even at expense of Patty, Green and KA.

[Kindergarten Cop]

What a weird coincidence that you bought up Dave Chappelle. I just mentioned his name to a workmate earlier today. I was wondering where he disappeared to.

My brother and I went and watched him perform standup in Wichita just last month. It wasn't "Chapelle Show" good, but he's still got it.

[Obstructed_View]

That's been the problem all along, and it's the reason I was talking about the Spurs taking a year to re-build a month ago. They had too many needs to fill, and not enough money to fill them, and if they trade to fill one hole it opens up another. I didn't see any way around it then, and I don't see any way around it now.

With the pieces they have added, they have the makings of a "pretty good" team. I don't think they have the horses to really challenge for a ring without some very good luck, and maybe some bad luck for a few other teams. The last pick of the lottery this year was Denzel Valentine. He looked pretty damn good in SL. (He's the guy I said the Spurs should have tried to move up for.)

At this point, I don't think the Spurs will break their string of consecutive 50-win seasons. But the accumulated weight of getting one of the last few picks in EVERY damn draft for that long eventually adds up. That's a lot of what we're feeling now. Yeah, Tim retired. But that's the point. When you don't have new (cheap) talent infusions, there's no margin for error. The Spurs have done an incredible job of making up for it. But that can't go on forever. Maybe if their stashes all turned out to be gems, but that's not even reasonable.

If Tony Parker isn't able to slash to the basket consistently, I'm not sure how Patty Mills is a huge downgrade from him on either end of the floor. Since I'm all-in on the "size vs Golden State" train, at first blush I'd much rather have Patty Mills and Greg Monroe than Tony Parker and league-minimum big.

[Obstructed_View]

My brother and I went and watched him perform standup in Wichita just last month. It wasn't "Chapelle Show" good, but he's still got it.

Women bee shoppin, baby!

[tmtcsc]

At this point, I don't think the Spurs will break their string of consecutive 50-win seasons. But the accumulated weight of getting one of the last few picks in EVERY damn draft for that long eventually adds up. That's a lot of what we're feeling now. Yeah, Tim retired. But that's the point. When you don't have new (cheap) talent infusions, there's no margin for error. The Spurs have done an incredible job of making up for it. But that can't go on forever. Maybe if their stashes all turned out to be gems, but that's not even reasonable.

As is, the Spurs are easily Top 3 in the West. I'd like to see them improve their back court and that won't happen until next year most likely. Perhaps they really liked what they saw from Archie (PG) in SL and feel good about moving TP. Someone would need to take him (not Bucks) because Amico stated they are looking for a 3rd team to do the deal.

Having Gasol, Aldride, Monroe and Dedmon as our bigs is pretty formidable. Spurs would demolish most teams.

[cd98]

As is, the Spurs are easily Top 3 in the West. I'd like to see them improve their back court and that won't happen until next year most likely. Perhaps they really liked what they saw from Archie (PG) in SL and feel good about moving TP. Someone would need to take him (not Bucks) because Amico stated they are looking for a 3rd team to do the deal.

Having Gasol, Aldride, Monroe and Dedmon as our bigs is pretty formidable. Spurs would demolish most teams.

Just a thought. Which of the top playoff contenders has formidable big centers?

[szkorhetz]

As is, the Spurs are easily Top 3 in the West. I'd like to see them improve their back court and that won't happen until next year most likely. Perhaps they really liked what they saw from Archie (PG) in SL and feel good about moving TP. Someone would need to take him (not Bucks) because Amico stated they are looking for a 3rd team to do the deal.

Having Gasol, Aldride, Monroe and Dedmon as our bigs is pretty formidable. Spurs would demolish most teams.
Although I agree with your point, the season is lost if we can't beat GSW. We won't beat them with 4 traditional big men. Will Gasol or Monroe guard Green or Durant? No way. (Gay would make a hell lot of more sense.)

[Mr. Body]

Hmmm, I wonder what Presti is up to. JR Smith?

Isn't this a really dick move, rescinding the QO for Waiters? Essentially they put a curtain around him of intent and then once the league money is mostly dried up said, "Just kidding!"

[Chinook]

Isn't this a really dick move, rescinding the QO for Waiters? Essentially they put a curtain around him of intent and then once the league money is mostly dried up said, "Just kidding!"

Nah. He'll probably get offers now. It's not like teams are out of money.

[MaNu4Tres]

When you don't have new (cheap) talent infusions, there's no margin for error. The Spurs have done an incredible job of making up for it. But that can't go on forever. Maybe if their stashes all turned out to be gems, but that's not even reasonable.

You're not even mentioning the key to what makes Spurs FO so great. Even though SA has missed more than most on the free agent market in the past two decades, and even though they've drafted at the very end of the 1st round for the past two decades, R.C and the front office do an incredible job finding journeymen free agents that no one pays attention to. Their scouting, eye for talent, and eye for fit for the bottom of the barrel talent in the world is what seperates them from most, maybe all of the franchises. Without finding Jaren Jackson, Malik Rose on the market for pennies back in the late 90's, Spurs don't have their 1st title. Without the Spurs signing Stephen Jackson for the minimum when no one wanted him, or Bruce Bowen when no one wanted him because he couldn't score, Spurs don't win championship number 2. Jaren Jackson, Rose and Stephen Jackson all were more valuable than the 1st round picks during those years and were cheaper or just as cheap as the late first round salary. Fast forward years later, whether it be Oberto, Neal, Patty Mills, Danny Green -- these players, who played huge roles in the Spurs' success, weren't drafted by the Spurs and were ignored by most teams. This part of the Spurs' resources to improve their teams throughout the years goes unnoticed -- hell last yr they found Boban and Simmons for pennies when other teams looked the other way or had no clue about them. Same with Aron Baynes a few years back.

There's more to building teams than relying on your draft picks, draft stashes and the regular free agent market (players all the teams see or want).

[Leetonidas]

Greg Monroe?? wtf :lol spurs really trying to capitalize on GS one weakness

[TheGreatYacht]

Ryan Arcidiacono is terrible. Dude averaged 2,2,2 on 35% in the summer league :lol I doubt the Spurs are thinking "You know what Pop, I think we found our starting PG"

[spurs10]

You're not even mentioning the key to what makes Spurs FO so great. Even though SA has missed more than most on the free agent market in the past two decades, and even though they've drafted at the very end of the 1st round for the past two decades, R.C and the front office do an incredible job finding journeymen free agents that no one pays attention to. Their scouting, eye for talent, and eye for fit for the bottom of the barrel talent in the world is what seperates them from most, maybe all of the franchises. Without finding Jaren Jackson, Malik Rose on the market for pennies back in the late 90's, Spurs don't have their 1st title. Without the Spurs signing Stephen Jackson for the minimum when no one wanted him, or Bruce Bowen when no one wanted him because he couldn't score, Spurs don't win championship number 2. Jaren Jackson, Rose and Stephen Jackson all were more valuable than the 1st round picks during those years and were cheaper or just as cheap as the late first round salary. Fast forward years later, whether it be Oberto, Neal, Patty Mills, Danny Green -- these players, who played huge roles in the Spurs' success, weren't drafted by the Spurs and were ignored by most teams. This part of the Spurs' resources to improve their teams throughout the years goes unnoticed -- hell last yr they found Boban and Simmons for pennies when other teams looked the other way or had no clue about them. Same with Aron Baynes a few years back.

There's more to building teams than relying on your draft picks, draft stashes and the regular free agent market (players all the teams see or want).
Solid!

[tmtcsc]

It's pretty certain that no one can match up with GS by trying to go small. No one else has Durant, Curry and Thompson - so trying to go small against them is certain to fail. The alternative is to do the opposite. Get big guys on the floor who can pound them inside and out-rebound them. Those three point shots are still lower percentage than 2's and if you make them pay for missing, you have a chance.

I don't think people realize how important Raymond Green was to GS's success. He brought the ball up, hit 3's and rebounded like a fool. Take him out of the game and GS struggles. Who are their bigs now? David West, Green, ZaZa and who?

All the Spurs would have to do is make it work in late May / early June for 4 games.

[Mr. Body]

Nah. He'll probably get offers now. It's not like teams are out of money.

Fine. But maybe a team he preferred would have had money two weeks ago. This seems like something the Players' Association should look into. Gives the team too much power; if a QO is extended, there should be some obligation on the part of the team.

[spurs10]

The Spurs are going back to playing big man ball. They played out the small ball and are going to flip the script on the rest of the league. TP will be the smallest on the team. His backup pg will be a 6'9" or taller kid. Like the thought of this. :toast

[tmtcsc]

Ryan Arcidiacono is terrible. Dude averaged 2,2,2 on 35% in the summer league :lol I doubt the Spurs are thinking "You know what Pop, I think we found our starting PG"

Yeah, I didn't see much from him either. Not sure why one reporter said the Spurs really liked what they saw. Did he make the right passes and keep the ball moving? I know Tim Legler was really impressed with him during the last game. He kept saying that Arcidiacono was making the right plays and keeping the offense from being stagnant.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEelVX1DV7c&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JUqeFqrmzk&feature=share

[Leetonidas]

It's pretty certain that no one can match up with GS by trying to go small. No one else has Durant, Curry and Thompson - so trying to go small against them is certain to fail. The alternative is to do the opposite. Get big guys on the floor who can pound them inside and out-rebound them. Those three point shots are still lower percentage than 2's and if you make them pay for missing, you have a chance.

I don't think people realize how important Raymond Green was to GS's success. He brought the ball up, hit 3's and rebounded like a fool. Take him out of the game and GS struggles. Who are their bigs now? David West, Green and who?

All the Spurs would have to do is make it work in late May / early June for 4 games.

Agree. I think Bogut will be an understated loss for them as well as he was probably their best defensive player or at least on par with green. he also set very good screens. we all saw curry struggling to get open like usual without Bogut screening for him

[TheGreatYacht]

Yeah, I didn't see much from him either. Not sure why one reporter said the Spurs really liked what they saw. Did he make the right passes and keep the ball moving? I know Tim Legler was really impressed with him during the last game. He kept saying that Arcidiacono was making the right plays and keeping the offense from being stagnant.
He's good at playing passing lanes and doesn't hold the ball for more than 2 seconds, maybe that impressed them? Idk but I really hope the Spurs just start Murray if Tony is traded. Keep Arci away

[spurs10]

must be nice being a millionaire in denver (or anywhere).

when i was there last summer... the first dispensary i went to... dave chappelle was there! They are changing the name of their team from the Denver Nuggets to the Denver Kindbuds! :hat

[raybies]

Don't know how old this Monroe news is, but all would offer to make a deal work is Patty, Livio, Milutinov, Simmons, and a first round pick. I don't think anyone else would be involved. With these players you need someone to help facilitate a deal to make the salaries match. Parker is not getting traded, nor Green or Anderson.

I doubt Livio has any value and you don't want to trade someone who hasn't played yet since you don't know what you have, so I think it's Patty, Simmons, and a first. We've been looking at so many guards which is why I believe Mills would go.

[tmtcsc]

Don't know how old this Monroe news is, but all would offer to make a deal work is Patty, Livio, Milutinov, Simmons, and a first round pick. I don't think anyone else would be involved. With these players you need someone to help facilitate a deal to make the salaries match. Parker is not getting traded, nor Green or Anderson.

I doubt Livio has any value and you don't want to trade someone who hasn't played yet since you don't know what you have, so I think it's Patty, Simmons, and a first. We've been looking at so many guards which is why I believe Mills would go.

Parker is their best trade piece and he absolutely would be moved if necessary. He's far from untouchable.

[Nathan89]

Monroe has a ton of skill. Much more than LMA. He actually has the ability to square up and take someone off the dribble. He's able to use spins, angles, and his shoulder to create great looks.

[raybies]

Parker is their best trade piece and he absolutely would be moved if necessary. He's far from untouchable.

Didn't know Monroe was making close to 18 mill. You would have to give up alot to get him even if Milwaukee was giving him away. Parker actually would be the best scenario because it's one player and he's declining.

[Leetonidas]

Don't know how old this Monroe news is, but all would offer to make a deal work is Patty, Livio, Milutinov, Simmons, and a first round pick. I don't think anyone else would be involved. With these players you need someone to help facilitate a deal to make the salaries match. Parker is not getting traded, nor Green or Anderson.

I doubt Livio has any value and you don't want to trade someone who hasn't played yet since you don't know what you have, so I think it's Patty, Simmons, and a first. We've been looking at so many guards which is why I believe Mills would go.

Any 3rd teams who may be interested in helping?

[Hoops Czar]

Parker is their best trade piece and he absolutely would be moved if necessary. He's far from untouchable.

What you don't seem to understand is that Parker is untouchable in the sense that he won't be traded unless he requests a trade or agrees to one. Also, he's owed $30M over the next two years so good luck finding a team that's willing to pay that kind of money while hindering their future cap space on a player that's way past his prime.

[raybies]

If you had Monroe he could play alot of minutes and play with both Aldridge and Gasol since they Can space the floor. And he's a bully on the low block. With him we could pound the paint for 48 minutes against the warriors. But what would we have to give? Basketball wise you have to keep Green, but loyalty wise you keep Parker. Other than those two, it's impossible to make salaries work and we are back to giving up alot to make it work which isn't worth it.

[raybies]

Any 3rd teams who may be interested in helping?

Depends which players we have to send, what other team needs are, who has space, or who has a player that another team wants to get rid of.

Maybe Sacramento with Rudy gay.

Kings get Mills/Green
Ship off Rudy Gay

Spurs get Monroe
Spurs ship off Green, Mills

Milwaukee gets Gay
Ships off Monroe

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hce4dnx

I don't like this deal at all but its just an example. Kings need a point guard and a shooting guard. Maybe we could get the rights to Isaiah cousins or something. Milwaukee gets cap space since Gay will want to opt out next year and we get Monroe. Just trade Parker and it makes it a little easier but Parker to sac town? That'd be cruel.

[GSH]

If Tony Parker isn't able to slash to the basket consistently, I'm not sure how Patty Mills is a huge downgrade from him on either end of the floor. Since I'm all-in on the "size vs Golden State" train, at first blush I'd much rather have Patty Mills and Greg Monroe than Tony Parker and league-minimum big.

So with Patty as starting PG, the backup would be....? I like Murray, but not as second PG on a team trying to be a serious title contender. Not yet, anyway.

I'm beating a dead horse. The Spurs are doing the rebuild-in-place thing. It's just that every scenario I go through, they come up at least one piece short of a team that wants to be a serious title contender. Gasol/Monroe/Dedmon (in whatever order) looks pretty salty. Mills/Murray/(Arci?) at the point? Not so much.

I will say this - a few months ago, Parker's 2 years and $30M contract looked like looked impossible to pawn off on anybody. Now, with all the players I see getting ridiculous contracts, his doesn't look too far out of line. He might actually be tradable. If I really thought that Mills/Murray/? had the goods to stand up to playoff pressure? Yeah, I'd trade Parker in a heartbeat, especially for Greg Monroe.


Edit: For the record, trading Green and leaving Parker in place is suicide. Especially if Danny is still making 3's when he comes back.

[palangi]

Depends which players we have to send, what other team needs are, who has space, or who has a player that another team wants to get rid of.

Maybe Sacramento with Rudy gay.

Kings get Mills/Green
Ship off Rudy Gay

Spurs get Monroe
Spurs ship off Green, Mills

Milwaukee gets Gay
Ships off Monroe

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hce4dnx

I don't like this deal at all but its just an example. Kings need a point guard and a shooting guard. Maybe we could get the rights to Isaiah cousins or something. Milwaukee gets cap space since Gay will want to opt out next year and we get Monroe. Just trade Parker and it makes it a little easier but Parker to sac town? That'd be cruel.

Switch green with parker and add MCW to us. Then we are talking. I know MCW isn't a favorite here. But he is just holding the torch until Murray is ready. And we have plenty of scoring, MCW just needs to facilitate and play defense.

Mcw, Murray, Forbes
Green, manu, simmons
Leonard, Bertans
Lma, ka, LJC
Monroe, gasol, Dedmon

[SPURt]

Spurs love to pick up guys that once had that good game against them way back when lol:
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278459

[kobyz]

Patty milles and Matt bonner s&t for Monroe...

[gambit1990]

What a weird coincidence that you bought up Dave Chappelle. I just mentioned his name to a workmate earlier today. I was wondering where he disappeared to.
he did stand up in san antonio a few weeks ago.


They are changing the name of their team from the Denver Nuggets to the Denver Kindbuds! :hat
:lol i'm about to light up right now.

[cd98]

What people here fail to understand to an alarming degree is that you can't replace Parker with anyone on the current roster of the summer league roster and expect to be a contender. There is a huge drop off between Parker and the next point guard on this team. Sure Parker is in decline, but an aging Parker is a better point guard than Mills and especially Murray. Murray is throwing the ball away in summer league. Imagine what NBA-level PGs will do. And Mills has never been a true PG. It's fine to have trade scenarios with Parker, but you are wasting your time if you can't come up with a better answer than Mills or Murray to replace him.

[cd98]

You're not even mentioning the key to what makes Spurs FO so great. Even though SA has missed more than most on the free agent market in the past two decades, and even though they've drafted at the very end of the 1st round for the past two decades, R.C and the front office do an incredible job finding journeymen free agents that no one pays attention to. Their scouting, eye for talent, and eye for fit for the bottom of the barrel talent in the world is what seperates them from most, maybe all of the franchises. Without finding Jaren Jackson, Malik Rose on the market for pennies back in the late 90's, Spurs don't have their 1st title. Without the Spurs signing Stephen Jackson for the minimum when no one wanted him, or Bruce Bowen when no one wanted him because he couldn't score, Spurs don't win championship number 2. Jaren Jackson, Rose and Stephen Jackson all were more valuable than the 1st round picks during those years and were cheaper or just as cheap as the late first round salary. Fast forward years later, whether it be Oberto, Neal, Patty Mills, Danny Green -- these players, who played huge roles in the Spurs' success, weren't drafted by the Spurs and were ignored by most teams. This part of the Spurs' resources to improve their teams throughout the years goes unnoticed -- hell last yr they found Boban and Simmons for pennies when other teams looked the other way or had no clue about them. Same with Aron Baynes a few years back.

There's more to building teams than relying on your draft picks, draft stashes and the regular free agent market (players all the teams see or want).


Tim Duncan made those players effective. Once they were traded, they all sucked. And now Tim isn't here, so I'm not sure you can assume no names will prosper here.

[gambit1990]

What people here fail to understand to an alarming degree is that you can't replace Parker with anyone on the current roster of the summer league roster and expect to be a contender. There is a huge drop off between Parker and the next point guard on this team. Sure Parker is in decline, but an aging Parker is a better point guard than Mills and especially Murray. Murray is throwing the ball away in summer league. Imagine what NBA-level PGs will do. And Mills has never been a true PG. It's fine to have trade scenarios with Parker, but you are wasting your time if you can't come up with a better answer than Mills or Murray to replace him.
i disagree.

but you're right, mills has never been a true PG. neither has parker though. part of the reason i don't think it would be hard to replace his production.

[Seventyniner]

What people here fail to understand to an alarming degree is that you can't replace Parker with anyone on the current roster of the summer league roster and expect to be a contender. There is a huge drop off between Parker and the next point guard on this team. Sure Parker is in decline, but an aging Parker is a better point guard than Mills and especially Murray. Murray is throwing the ball away in summer league. Imagine what NBA-level PGs will do. And Mills has never been a true PG. It's fine to have trade scenarios with Parker, but you are wasting your time if you can't come up with a better answer than Mills or Murray to replace him.

A few times I have asked some of the "just get rid of Parker, I hate that guy, trade him for a bag of Doritos" crowd exactly who the Spurs should sign or trade for to replace him. I have yet to get a specific response to even that, let alone how it would make the team better.

[gambit1990]

just because everyone is so used to him doesn't mean we need him:

the spurs finished the season 8-2 in games without parker. one of the losses was against okc without td, manu, kawhi, and lma. the other loss was against denver without kawhi and lma.

[TheGreatYacht]

just because everyone is so used to him doesn't mean we need him:
Spurs went undefeated without Manure.

[Obstructed_View]

So with Patty as starting PG, the backup would be....? I like Murray, but not as second PG on a team trying to be a serious title contender. Not yet, anyway.

I agree. I don't think Arcidiacono is realistic either but I'd wager that there's someone almost as good as the corpse of Andre Miller out there for next to nothing.


I'm beating a dead horse. The Spurs are doing the rebuild-in-place thing. It's just that every scenario I go through, they come up at least one piece short of a team that wants to be a serious title contender. Gasol/Monroe/Dedmon (in whatever order) looks pretty salty. Mills/Murray/(Arci?) at the point? Not so much.

I will say this - a few months ago, Parker's 2 years and $30M contract looked like looked impossible to pawn off on anybody. Now, with all the players I see getting ridiculous contracts, his doesn't look too far out of line. He might actually be tradable. If I really thought that Mills/Murray/? had the goods to stand up to playoff pressure? Yeah, I'd trade Parker in a heartbeat, especially for Greg Monroe.
Well I look at it from a value standpoint. Parker hasn't had any in the playoffs. He's a defensive liability, he's not able to function as a traditional point guard if the opponent keeps him from penetrating, and he's prone to big postseason funks. If someone else wants that and is willing to give up size to get it then I say make it happen.

[r0drig0lac]

parker will not be traded!!

[gambit1990]

Spurs went undefeated without Manure.
one's a starting pg and the other is a aged role player.

people are saying the drop off between having parker and not would be big. it wouldn't be.

[cd98]

i disagree.

but you're right, mills has never been a true PG. neither has parker though. part of the reason i don't think it would be hard to replace his production.

Parker can dribble the ball under pressue. No one else on the roster can do that. There are things that PGs do besides score or get assists. There are smart plays, like clock management, calling time outs, etc. Parker can game manage better than anyone on the roster and that matters tremendously. Under your logic, Pau Gasol and LMA's stats will make Tim irrelevant. But Tim does more than just score points and get rebounds. You have to look at more than just the stat sheet.

[cd98]

just because everyone is so used to him doesn't mean we need him:

Again, this is faulty logic. You might survive a game or two without him, but you aren’t going to win a title without replacing him with someone as competent as he is. Spurs have often finished with winning records despite being without Tim, Tony, Manu, or Kawhi for a few games here or there during the regular season. But in the playoffs, teams can game plan so well and expose a team when it is missing key players due to injury. You take Tony of this team and rely on what they have, and even if you replace him with an all star at another position, and you will see teams press and trap and do other things to take advantage in the post season and then you’ll realize how dumb it is to think that Parker is so easily replaceable with D- League point guards.

[Emperor]

Parker, Patty, Kyle for Monroe/MCW pleeeeeease make it happen.

[spurs10]

he did stand up in san antonio a few weeks ago.


:lol i'm about to light up right now. :lol

[spurs10]

With regard to all the comments about Parker being traded please be aware of Pop talking about how TP has sacrificed money to stay in SA. I don't think they are going to be shopping Tony.

[Seventyniner]

just because everyone is so used to him doesn't mean we need him:

The Spurs finished the season 7-3 in games without Leonard. One of the losses was against OC without Tim, Manu, Parker, and LMA. One other loss was against Denver without Parker and LMA.

The third loss was by 19 points @LAC just after the All-Star break.

Does that mean we should get rid of Leonard too?

[montgod]

I still haven't understood why the last 2 teams Monroe has been on, he was an undesirable even though his stats say otherwise/good numbers. The Bucks just got him and now want no part of him even with a reasonable contract in today's nba. I did notice DET became better after he left.
Same could be said for MCW as well. Not sure i would want to trade for him/them before finding that out first, not that it looks like the Spurs have any interest in either

[gambit1990]

Parker can dribble the ball under pressue. No one else on the roster can do that. There are things that PGs do besides score or get assists. There are smart plays, like clock management, calling time outs, etc. Parker can game manage better than anyone on the roster and that matters tremendously. Under your logic, Pau Gasol and LMA's stats will make Tim irrelevant. But Tim does more than just score points and get rebounds. You have to look at more than just the stat sheet.
there's a whole thread called "what does parker do": http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259266


Again, this is faulty logic. You might survive a game or two without him, but you aren’t going to win a title without replacing him with someone as competent as he is.Spurs have often finished with winning records despite being without Tim, Tony, Manu, or Kawhi for a few games here or there during the regular season.But in the playoffs, teams can game plan so well and expose a team when it is missing key players due to injury.You take Tony of this team and rely on what they have, and even if you replace him with an all star at another position, and you will see teams press and trap and do other things to take advantage in the post season and then you’ll realize how dumb it is to think that Parker is so easily replaceable with D- League point guards.

haven't liked the way parker plays for a long time now, it hurts the team. i want him traded or to play a different role.

[gambit1990]

The Spurs finished the season 7-3 in games without Leonard. One of the losses was against OC without Tim, Manu, Parker, and LMA. One other loss was against Denver without Parker and LMA.

The third loss was by 19 points @LAC just after the All-Star break.

Does that mean we should get rid of Leonard too?
the point is that we're fine without our game manager. without the person on the team who holds the ball the longest.

[BatManu20]

:stirpot:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnv-iJ6W8AA2kCL.jpg

[Brian Windhorst]

:stirpot:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnv-iJ6W8AA2kCL.jpg

Greg Monroe is terrible.

[TheGreatYacht]

:stirpot:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnv-iJ6W8AA2kCL.jpg
:tu

Literally the only NBA player that looks ridiculous in a Spurs jersey is Matt Bonner :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Letting go of parker for Munroe is beyond Stupid. As bad as Parker is and even assuming Mills is better, he' serves a far more important role than monroe.

Only way you get rid of Parker is of you get a Decent PG that has showed punch against GSW and there's a couple of trades aroubd there but almlst impossible to make ot happen.

[BatManu20]

Greg Monroe is terrible.

He may be overpaid but he's not terrible.. He's a legit 16 & 10 guy and those #'s would likely go up with the Spurs.

[cd98]

there's a whole thread called "what does parker do": http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259266


haven't liked the way parker plays for a long time now, it hurts the team. i want him traded or to play a different role.

These arguments are subjective. Who do you replace him with that will keep the Spurs as title contenders? Remember the last two years, the title teams have had all star PG (scoring PG in the mold of TP btw).

[GSH]

You're not even mentioning the key to what makes Spurs FO so great.

There's more to building teams than relying on your draft picks, draft stashes and the regular free agent market (players all the teams see or want).


Actually, I did mention it. I said that the FO has done a good job of making up for the long-term talent drain. Masterful, IMO.

You don't deny that the draft is a way of getting regular talent infusions? (I hope you don't.) In general, the top part of the draft is worth MUCH more than the bottom. The chances of hitting a home run with the 26th pick are incredibly slim, and almost as much luck as skill. There have been plenty of articles written over the years, analyzing how important the top half of the draft is compared to the bottom.

But here's the thing most people don't think about: Guys like Tim/Tony/Manu represent a HUGE amount of skill and talent, but you can look at them as assets with a limited lifespan. (Blame my Accounting degree. :lol) Early in their career you don't see it, but later you can see a declining amount of skill and contribution each year. And THAT is the loss that isn't getting replenished each year. As long as they perform up to a certain level, people mostly don't think about it too much. Then, all of a sudden they realize that the team needs a quality backup to make take up some of the slack. The Spurs FO has done a great job about finding guys that are both good and affordable. But eventually the yearly deficit has to catch up, even with them.

The Spurs lost Tim this season, but as far as the overall talent pool for the team, they've been losing him inch-by-inch for years. It's just something that you tend to notice all at once. It's like public streets that decline year after year. Cities patch them, but eventually they have to be re-built, and they almost never have a reserve set aside for that. Essentially, they've been spending their street money every year, until one day they realize that they are in a hole. Without the draft, the Tim bill eventually had to come due, with Manu and Tony not far behind.

If you don't like any of that, tell me this: How do you think the Spurs FO would have done putting together Championship teams, if they hadn't gotten the talent infusion of just one #1 pick? The next-best players in Duncan's draft were Chauncey Billups and TMac. The point is, with few exceptions, better players go higher in the draft, and high picks overall are a LOT better than lower ones. It helps when the Spurs trade a good player for a draft pick that gets them a much better player. But people tend to forget that they traded a first round pick for SJax II that wound up being Festus Ezili (and could have been Draymond Green). And they had to give away Luis Scola to get rid of Jackie Butler's contract.

Bottom line, it's hard to keep up the talent level of a team without getting some input from the top half of the draft. It's a drain that is damned near impossible to overcome. And it gets really visible when guys like Tim and Manu finally retire.

[Emperor]

I'll take anyone that can light it up against Warriors in which Monroe has proven he can do within the past year unlike Parker who hasn't done in almost 2 years and don't see him ever doing it again.

[cd98]

the point is that we're fine without our game manager. without the person on the team who holds the ball the longest.

Ok, who's the primary ball handler then? Look at the title teams the last 5 years. We don't have a Lebron. So who handles the ball against pressure and gets the Spurs into their offense against elite teams?

[Hoops Czar]

:tu

Literally the only NBA player that looks ridiculous in a Spurs jersey is Matt Bonner :lol

Not true. Kyle Anderson looks equally as awful.

[Hoops Czar]

He may be overpaid but he's not terrible.. He's a legit 16 & 10 guy and those #'s would likely go up with the Spurs.

You mean down. He put those numbers up on a stat padding team.

[BatManu20]

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[gambit1990]

These arguments are subjective. Who do you replace him with that will keep the Spurs as title contenders? Remember the last two years, the title teams have had all star PG (scoring PG in the mold of TP btw).
i still want goran. and though they are in the mold of tp... the other two have youth.


Ok, who's the primary ball handler then? Look at the title teams the last 5 years. We don't have a Lebron. So who handles the ball against pressure and gets the Spurs into their offense against elite teams?
kawhi can be the primary ball handler. he has exceeded everyone's expectations. given the constant opportunity he'll be able to handle the responsibility. he deserves to handle the ball as much as the other mvp candidates.

[Hoops Czar]

i still want goran. and though they are in the mold of tp... the other two have youth.


kawhi can be the primary ball handler. he has exceeded everyone's expectations. given the constant opportunity he'll be able to handle the responsibility. he deserves to handle the ball as much as the other mvp candidates.

Some posters can't get it out of their head that Leonard isn't Lebron James. :lol

[cd98]

i still want goran. and though they are in the mold of tp... the other two have youth.


kawhi can be the primary ball handler. he has exceeded everyone's expectations. given the constant opportunity he'll be able to handle the responsibility. he deserves to handle the ball as much as the other mvp candidates.

Kawhi doesn't have ball handling ability in his game. He's not Lebron. He's not going to bring the ball up under pressure. And Goran is under contract on another team and they are not trading him and we have nothing to trade for him. So of the candidates that are available, who do you want to get to replace Parker?

[gambit1990]

Some posters can't get it out of their head that Leonard isn't Lebron James. :lol
didn't say he was lebron and i'm not expecting him to be. i guess comprehension isn't your strongest suit.

[cd98]

Some posters can't get it out of their head that Leonard isn't Lebron James. :lol

Yep. It's like they want him to guard the best player on the other team, score 30 points, including all clutch baskets in the 4th, and now dribble the ball up and initiate the offense. Yes, he will play 40 minutes a game and have nothing left for the playoffs. And if he does dominate the ball, then they'll call him a ball stopper and demand that he be traded.

[gambit1990]

Kawhi doesn't have ball handling ability in his game. He's not Lebron. He's not going to bring the ball up under pressure. And Goran is under contract on another team and they are not trading him and we have nothing to trade for him. So of the candidates that are available, who do you want to get to replace Parker?
ugh, i get tired of answering this question. i would start anyone the spurs have. mills, murray, simmons. are they the optimal choice? no.

if we trade parker we're obviously gonna get something back.

[gambit1990]

Yep. It's like they want him to guard the best player on the other team, score 30 points, including all clutch baskets in the 4th, and now dribble the ball up and initiate the offense. Yes, he will play 40 minutes a game and have nothing left for the playoffs. And if he does dominate the ball, then they'll call him a ball stopper and demand that he be traded.
you got it all wrong. you must be a republican.

[cd98]

ugh, i get tired of answering this question. i would start anyone the spurs have. mills, murray, simmons. are they the optimal choice? no.

if we trade parker we're obviously gonna get something back.

Trade him to get another PG that's better? That just sounds like angry fan. What team is going to trade you an upgrade at PG for Parker? And you've lost your mind if you want Mills, Murray, or Simmons handling the ball under pressure in the NBA finals. Look at their turnovers during summer league. And Pop makes Manu bring the ball up rather than Mills b/c he knows Mills is Danny Greenesque in ball handling. This exercise tires you because you have no legit answer. And that's why Parker's not getting traded this year.

[cd98]

you got it all wrong. you must be a republican.

You just suggested that Kawhi handle the ball like Lebron. That would be a disaster. And I'm a big Kawhi fan.

[Hoops Czar]

didn't say he was lebron and i'm not expecting him to be. i guess comprehension isn't your strongest suit.

You didn't have to. The moment you said kawhi can be the primary ball handler like the other MVP candidates, you essentially said like James, Durant and Curry. James is point forward which Leonard is not. Curry is a point guard and a natural ball handler. Durant wasn't the primary ball handler in OKC, Westbrook was.

[td4mvp2k]

:lol tp aint going nowhere and spurs aint trading for 18 mil monroe when they just signed gasol... f'n gnsfs...

[tonight...you]

Oh... Someone is getting DP'd. Better get the children into the other room...

[Leetonidas]

Any traction to this rumor or just the one tweet?

[eDizzle20]

As skilled as Monroe is offensively he is equally as bad defensively, he shows little effort on that side of the ball and would not be a good fit. There's a reason that Detroit did not re-sign him and Milwaukee wants to trade him after only one season. One good showing against Golden State isn't enough to warrant trading for him.

[gambit1990]

Trade him to get another PG that's better? That just sounds like angry fan. What team is going to trade you an upgrade at PG for Parker? And you've lost your mind if you want Mills, Murray, or Simmons handling the ball under pressure in the NBA finals. Look at their turnovers during summer league. And Pop makes Manu bring the ball up rather than Mills b/c he knows Mills is Danny Greenesque in ball handling. This exercise tires you because you have no legit answer. And that's why Parker's not getting traded this year.
not arguing that parker will get traded.


You just suggested that Kawhi handle the ball like Lebron. That would be a disaster. And I'm a big Kawhi fan.
no, i didn't say he handle the ball like lebron.


You didn't have to. The moment you said kawhi can be the primary ball handler like the other MVP candidates, you essentially said like James, Durant and Curry. James is point forward which Leonard is not. Curry is a point guard and a natural ball handler. Durant wasn't the primary ball handler in OKC, Westbrook was.

this is what i said:

he deserves to handle the ball as much as the other mvp candidates.

i'll make this real easy for you mongoloids. kawhi finished 2nd in the MVP vote. does he at least deserve the handle ball as much as the other great players in the league?

in case you still don't know, he does.

[gambit1990]

stop being afraid of change, embrace it.

idc how raw murray is, i'd take him/kawhi over tp/kawhi.

[SpursforSix]

stop being afraid of change, embrace it.

idc how raw murray is, i'd take him/kawhi over tp/kawhi.

At this point too, I would as well. Might be damn rough for stretches but in the long run, I think it would have more positive that negative consequences.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not true. Kyle Anderson looks equally as awful.
:lol true

[Chinook]

People are really underselling Parker. He's still the best PG on the team by a mile. There will long stretches of games where Murray is literally unplayable. Folks need to realize that. Simmons last season was better than Murray this season. Do you want that starting? Well, some folks did want that starting, so I guess you might.

[cd98]

not arguing that parker will get traded.


no, i didn't say he handle the ball like lebron.



this is what i said:


i'll make this real easy for you mongoloids. kawhi finished 2nd in the MVP vote. does he at least deserve the handle ball as much as the other great players in the league?

in case you still don't know, he does.

Now you are backtracking. The argument isn’t “does Kawhi deserve to handle the ball as much as other great players,” but rather, if you trade Parker, who becomes the person to handle the ball pressure in the playoffs.When I asked the question, you put forth Kawhi, and now, wisely, you are back tracking because that makes no sense.Should Kawhi handle the ball more?I don’t know what that means.More isos?Maybe, but he’s efficient without dominating the ball every possession.But the idea that he’s going to run pick and rolls and make good decisions with the ball is a little silly.He’s not on that level yet, and may never be.Lebron is, and that’s why he’s a generational player and an all-time great.That’s not just a matter of practice; it’s a God-given gift.But that’s beside the point.If Parker is gone, who handles the ball during the WCF against the GS ball pressure or against the Cav ball pressure?And be careful when mindlessly throw out Simmons and Murray as they are the type of players that will throw the ball away 9 times a game in summer league.Sure, they can get better, but not in one year.

[GSH]

Yes, he will play 40 minutes a game and have nothing left for the playoffs.


In '01-'02, Tim played 40.6 MPG for 82 games. And in the playoffs he put up 27.6 PPG, 14.4 RB, 5 AST, and 4.4 blocks! All better than his RS stats.
In '02-'03, Tim played 39.3 MPG for 81 games. And in the playoffs he put up 24.7 PPG, 15.4 RB, 5.3 AST, and 3.3 blocks. All better than RS, AND he let the team to a Championship.

I can't even begin to understand why Kawhi can't play more than 33 MPG at this point in his career. And that's the most Pop has ever played him.

As for his ball handling skills - I don't hear people "expecting" him to do it so much as noticing that it's not his strong suit. It is sort of hard for me to imagine people discussing a SF as a serious league MVP contender, unless he has superior ball handling skills. And maybe that's what they are saying. Someone above suggested that Kawhi "deserves" to handle the ball as much as any other MVP candidate. I don't even know what to say to that. LeBron, for instance, only "deserves" to handle the ball because he's really good at it. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be LeBron.

[cd98]

stop being afraid of change, embrace it.

idc how raw murray is, i'd take him/kawhi over tp/kawhi.

OF course you would.

[gambit1990]

At this point too, I would as well. Might be damn rough for stretches but in the long run, I think it would have more positive that negative consequences.
would definitely build good chemistry.

it's funny... there's people on here saying that we won't win a championship with parker starting... and they're still against him not starting :lol

[Keepin' it real]

The Spurs finished the season 7-3 in games without Leonard. One of the losses was against OC without Tim, Manu, Parker, and LMA. One other loss was against Denver without Parker and LMA.

The third loss was by 19 points @LAC just after the All-Star break.

Does that mean we should get rid of Leonard too?

Indubitably!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DAuo_LkXAQ4/hqdefault.jpg

[gambit1990]

Now you are backtracking. The argument isn’t “does Kawhi deserve to handle the ball as much as other great players,” but rather, if you trade Parker, who becomes the person to handle the ball pressure in the playoffs.When I asked the question, you put forth Kawhi, and now, wisely, you are back tracking because that makes no sense.Should Kawhi handle the ball more?I don’t know what that means.More isos?Maybe, but he’s efficient without dominating the ball every possession.But the idea that he’s going to run pick and rolls and make good decisions with the ball is a little silly.He’s not on that level yet, and may never be.Lebron is, and that’s why he’s a generational player and an all-time great.That’s not just a matter of practice; it’s a God-given gift.But that’s beside the point.If Parker is gone, who handles the ball during the WCF against the GS ball pressure or against the Cav ball pressure?And be careful when mindlessly throw out Simmons and Murray as they are the type of players that will throw the ball away 9 times a game in summer league.Sure, they can get better, but not in one year.
especially disagree with you there.

you'll see.

[Drom John]

Who are their bigs now? David West, Green, ZaZa and who?

Centers: Zaza Pachulia, Anderson Varajao, Damion Jones
PFs: Draymond Green, David West, James Michael McAdoo

[tmtcsc]

Just a thought. Which of the top playoff contenders has formidable big centers?

Memphis, Clippers, Cleveland.

Memphis: Gasol & Randolph
Clippers: Blake and Jordan
Cavs: Thompson and Love

[cd98]

In '01-'02, Tim played 40.6 MPG for 82 games. And in the playoffs he put up 27.6 PPG, 14.4 RB, 5 AST, and 4.4 blocks! All better than his RS stats.
In '02-'03, Tim played 39.3 MPG for 81 games. And in the playoffs he put up 24.7 PPG, 15.4 RB, 5.3 AST, and 3.3 blocks. All better than RS, AND he let the team to a Championship.

I can't even begin to understand why Kawhi can't play more than 33 MPG at this point in his career. And that's the most Pop has ever played him.

As for his ball handling skills - I don't hear people "expecting" him to do it so much as noticing that it's not his strong suit. It is sort of hard for me to imagine people discussing a SF as a serious league MVP contender, unless he has superior ball handling skills. And maybe that's what they are saying. Someone above suggested that Kawhi "deserves" to handle the ball as much as any other MVP candidate. I don't even know what to say to that. LeBron, for instance, only "deserves" to handle the ball because he's really good at it. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be LeBron.

I don’t know if Kawhi should play more than 33 minutes a game. Maybe because of the position he plays and the way he has to play defense against highly mobile players and fight through screens and then score on the other end, Pop assumes he needs less minutes to reduce wear and tear. But I don’t think you can compare what Tim did, and not just because of talent, but because of the position. In Tim’s prime, he only had to body up against bigs in the post and guard the rim. Sure that’s a drain, but not so much when you are 7 feet tall and far superior to the player you are defending. And in Tim’s prime, he could only be guarded by a team defense, and even that wasn’t enough to stop him. Kawhi faces a lot of talent at his position, and while he is elite, the disparity isn’t the same as comparing Tim to most of the people he went up against. And I’m not disparaging the talent Tim went up against. He played against some great players in his prime, he was just that much better.

[cd98]

Memphis, Clippers, Cleveland.

Memphis: Gasol & Randolph
Clippers: Blake and Jordan
Cavs: Thompson and Love

Eh, for discussion sake, those aren't really centers on the Cavs. The Clippers and the Grizz have big centers, but I'm not sure they are true contenders. Does Monroe stop Gasol or Jordan? I haven't seen him enough to draw that conclusion.

[gambit1990]

how lightly is draymond going to get off?

[SAGirl]

It's pretty certain that no one can match up with GS by trying to go small. No one else has Durant, Curry and Thompson - so trying to go small against them is certain to fail. The alternative is to do the opposite. Get big guys on the floor who can pound them inside and out-rebound them. Those three point shots are still lower percentage than 2's and if you make them pay for missing, you have a chance.

I don't think people realize how important Raymond Green was to GS's success. He brought the ball up, hit 3's and rebounded like a fool. Take him out of the game and GS struggles. Who are their bigs now? David West, Green, ZaZa and who?

All the Spurs would have to do is make it work in late May / early June for 4 games.
Have to kill David West specially. Dude can play ball in every other respect, but if you ask him to box out and board, game over.

[tonight...you]

how lightly is draymond going to get off?
My bet is no worse than a slap on the wrist, if that.

[Spur|n|Austin]

how lightly is draymond going to get off?

On the arrest? He won't even get reprimanded..

[SAGirl]

Yeah, I didn't see much from him either. Not sure why one reporter said the Spurs really liked what they saw. Did he make the right passes and keep the ball moving? I know Tim Legler was really impressed with him during the last game. He kept saying that Arcidiacono was making the right plays and keeping the offense from being stagnant.
He was a smart player that didn't hero ball. He got the ball moving and into the hands of guys Spurs wanted to feature... but he's definitely too small even in SL to guard some athletes.

[Drom John]

The chances of hitting a home run with the 26th pick are incredibly slim, and almost as much luck as skill..

You have to go back to 2011 before finding a home run with the 26th pick, Blake Swihart, and that's only 5 home runs.
In all, only 12 26th picks have hit home runs:
197 Dave Henderson
185 Alan Trammell (best with 70.4 WAR)
106 Rico Brogna
34 Todd Cruz
25 Brent Gates
20 Darnell McDonald
16 Mark Johnson
9 Mike Stenhouse
7 Stan Papi
4 Blake Swihart
3 Kyle Parker

I'll go with credibly slim, rather than incredibly slim.

[kxs783kms]

Greg Monroe????

http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Spurs-interested-in-pursuing-a-trade-for-Greg-Monroe-46315897

[gambit1990]

it's kinda mind boggling to think the warriors are replacing barnes with durant. just glad he's not an alpha. westbrook to the cavs would be scary.

[tonight...you]

You have to go back to 2011 before finding a home run with the 26th pick, Blake Swihart, and that's only 5 home runs.
In all, only 12 26th picks have hit home runs:
197 Dave Henderson
185 Alan Trammell (best with 70.4 WAR)
106 Rico Brogna
34 Todd Cruz
25 Brent Gates
20 Darnell McDonald
16 Mark Johnson
9 Mike Stenhouse
7 Stan Papi
4 Blake Swihart
3 Kyle Parker

I'll go with credibly slim, rather than incredibly slim.
Good point.

[SAGirl]

So with Patty as starting PG, the backup would be....? I like Murray, but not as second PG on a team trying to be a serious title contender. Not yet, anyway.

I'm beating a dead horse. The Spurs are doing the rebuild-in-place thing. It's just that every scenario I go through, they come up at least one piece short of a team that wants to be a serious title contender. Gasol/Monroe/Dedmon (in whatever order) looks pretty salty. Mills/Murray/(Arci?) at the point? Not so much.

I will say this - a few months ago, Parker's 2 years and $30M contract looked like looked impossible to pawn off on anybody. Now, with all the players I see getting ridiculous contracts, his doesn't look too far out of line. He might actually be tradable. If I really thought that Mills/Murray/? had the goods to stand up to playoff pressure? Yeah, I'd trade Parker in a heartbeat, especially for Greg Monroe.


Edit: For the record, trading Green and leaving Parker in place is suicide. Especially if Danny is still making 3's when he comes back.
That is right. Even if we stand pat and somehow ended up with a minor unheralded bench player stepping up.. lets say Bertans comes out balling huge, Belinelli style, with occasional 20 pt explosions and things of that nature. Most everyone around here will tell you that a team that still has Tony starting at the point is not serious about winning. Trading Danny would make matters worse. In reality maybe Dejounte is better. Him with those long arms and a training camp can maybe make a difference defensively. Just have him practice 3 pt shooting for now and don't do much of getting low percentage floaters in the paint this season until he fixes that for example. Have Kawhi be the point forward ppl want him to be. See where that gets us this season for an experiment.

[GSH]

You have to go back to 2011 before finding a home run with the 26th pick, Blake Swihart, and that's only 5 home runs.
In all, only 12 26th picks have hit home runs:
197 Dave Henderson
185 Alan Trammell (best with 70.4 WAR)
106 Rico Brogna
34 Todd Cruz
25 Brent Gates
20 Darnell McDonald
16 Mark Johnson
9 Mike Stenhouse
7 Stan Papi
4 Blake Swihart
3 Kyle Parker

I'll go with credibly slim, rather than incredibly slim.


LMAO! What could I possibly say to that? I remember the Spurs passing on Blake Swihart like it was yesterday. :lol

[SAGirl]

As skilled as Monroe is offensively he is equally as bad defensively, he shows little effort on that side of the ball and would not be a good fit. There's a reason that Detroit did not re-sign him and Milwaukee wants to trade him after only one season. One good showing against Golden State isn't enough to warrant trading for him.
This is probably very right. I don't know if that rumor is even true bc Spurs really need to trade Tony and go a different direction to get Monroe. I am very wary of guys who get numbers on losing teams. They are losing for a reason. I don't want MCW either. Murray is similar in size and a much better prospect. MCW is not going to win us a championship. I don't know about Monroe though. He's a dominant inside scorer... but really if Spurs are going down this route, I keep coming back to maybe they needed to just keep Boban TBH.

[MaNu4Tres]

I can't even begin to understand why Kawhi can't play more than 33 MPG at this point in his career. And that's the most Pop has ever played him.
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It's actually pretty easy to understand.

For one, Spurs now pay experts to monitor stamina, and minutes in order to optimize health in the long run for their players. This isn't the main reason though, because the Spurs still go over the minutes threshold for their best players when games are tight or competitive. That's when Kawhi plays close to 40 minutes a night or in the upper 30's -- which hasn't happened very often in the regular season so far in the Kawhi era.

Truth of the matter is, in the Kawhi era, the Spurs have had a higher margin of victory than any other those teams in the early Duncan era. Last year, the Spurs blew out more teams than any other team in the NBA and had the most 20 point victories -- Kawhi was able to take a lot of 4th quarters off. So of course his overall average for minutes per game are going to be down compared to other stars who don't play for teams who are constantly blowing out teams by 20+.

It's easy to understand why he only played 33 mpg last year.

[cd98]

Now that the Spurs have *squint eye* paid Manu for past services (I'm sure his contract amount of 14 million was happening regardless if he got any free agent offers, though 76ers provide cover for the wink-wink-nod-nod agreement) maybe the Spurs will trade him. I'd hate to see it happen and I think he can squeeze something out of this year, but he's paid now, so he can go anywhere or even get traded and then retire a la Tim.

[TheGreatYacht]

Now that the Spurs have *squint eye* paid Manu for past services (I'm sure his contract amount of 14 million was happening regardless if he got any free agent offers, though 76ers provide cover for the wink-wink-nod-nod agreement) maybe the Spurs will trade him. I'd hate to see it happen and I think he can squeeze something out of this year, but he's paid now, so he can go anywhere or even get traded and then retire a la Tim.
I'd love it! Package Fathead as well!

[tonight...you]

Now that the Spurs have *squint eye* paid Manu for past services (I'm sure his contract amount of 14 million was happening regardless if he got any free agent offers, though 76ers provide cover for the wink-wink-nod-nod agreement) maybe the Spurs will trade him. I'd hate to see it happen and I think he can squeeze something out of this year, but he's paid now, so he can go anywhere or even get traded and then retire a la Tim.
You mean to say you think they'd sign him to a big ol' Thank You contract, when they really do need him to maintain the "culture" of the locker room now that Tim's gone, which has been stated by them, and then trade him mid-season?
I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

[cd98]

You mean to say you think they'd sign him to a big ol' Thank You contract, when they really do need him to maintain the "culture" of the locker room now that Tim's gone, which has been stated by them, and then trade him mid-season?
I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

I'm not saying they will do it and I have no problem with Manu being a Spur next year. In fact, like Parker, Manu brings more to the table than just pure stats. But if they need to make a deal at midseason and 39 year old shooting guard Manu doesn't have it, then it is a possible avenue for a cash strapped team w/ assets.

[GSH]

People are really underselling Parker. He's still the best PG on the team by a mile. There will long stretches of games where Murray is literally unplayable. Folks need to realize that. Simmons last season was better than Murray this season. Do you want that starting? Well, some folks did want that starting, so I guess you might.


I don't think Parker was as bad as a lot of people here say. But I think he's in decline, and he's getting to the point where a small drop-off will make a HUGE difference in how effective he can be. Last year he played in 72 games, his most in the last 5 years (he averaged about 65 games in the previous 4 seasons). So which do you think is more likely - that he will play in more games than last year, or fewer? Same with his foot speed. Do you think it's more likely that he will be faster, or slower? I left out "about the same" because that makes it too easy not to look at the fact that he's going to decline more, soon. The only question is when.

In his prime, Tony took about 8 FTA/100 possessions. Now he's down to just over 4. Jeff Teague, who I think is over-rated here, gets to the line about 8 times per 100 possessions. Chris Paul has been around for 11 seasons, and he still gets over 7 FTA/100. That drop in FTA's for Tony is a big problem, because he's a slashing-scoring type of PG. He only gets about 10 AST/100 compared to CP3's 15. If Tony isn't getting fouled going to the basket, it's because he's lost some of his edge getting there before defenders. A little bit more, and he's solidly in the realm of backup PG's.

When you look at total minutes, including playoffs, I think Tony has put in the 4th most minutes of any PG in NBA history. (I know he's top-10.) And that doesn't take into account all his international minutes in the summers. When you're looking at a guy with his age and mileage, it's not enough to look at how he played last year. Because there's such a good chance that he won't be as good this year, or the next. If it's this year, there are going to be a bunch of sad Spurs fans.

[SAGirl]

People are really underselling Parker. He's still the best PG on the team by a mile. There will long stretches of games where Murray is literally unplayable. Folks need to realize that. Simmons last season was better than Murray this season. Do you want that starting? Well, some folks did want that starting, so I guess you might.
Frankly I am ready for the team to move a different direction. We ain't winning with Tony. I'd even suggest a very Jason Kidd like experiment with SlowMo and Kawhi for point forwards together TBH. Team has to go another direction. We could have the ultimate all forward team and really kill with size, since that is what Pop wants. :lol Who is going to guard these two TBH?

But :pop: will stay traditional, loyal and we will live and die by Tony and Manu, with a worse version of the teams that he's won with in the past, using Pau like a fake Tim and who knows what he has cooking for the bench but it will still feature a lot of 39 yr old Manu. Playoffs will be like an early sudden death. My $ .o2, maybe this team is at the point that it needs to start going with some experimental and creative stuff.

[tonight...you]

I'm not saying they will do it and I have no problem with Manu being a Spur next year. In fact, like Parker, Manu brings more to the table than just pure stats. But if they need to make a deal at midseason and 39 year old shooting guard Manu doesn't have it, then it is a possible avenue for a cash strapped team w/ assets.
Right on. I get that. :toast

[Cloud786]

So did we stretch Duncan's contract or not?

[cd98]

Frankly I am ready for the team to move a different direction. We ain't winning with Tony. I'd even suggest a very Jason Kidd like experiment with SlowMo and Kawhi for point forwards together TBH. Team has to go another direction. We could have the ultimate all forward team and really kill with size, since that is what Pop wants. :lol Who is going to guard these two TBH?

But :pop: will stay traditional, loyal and we will live and die by Tony and Manu, with a worse version of the teams that he's won with in the past, using Pau like a fake Tim and who knows what he has cooking for the bench but it will still feature a lot of 39 yr old Manu. Playoffs will be like an early sudden death. My $ .o2, maybe this team is at the point that it needs to start going with some experimental and creative stuff.

I don’t think Kawhi/Anderson are the guys you want getting ball pressured. Especially Kawhi. He has too many responsibilities and you don’t want to wear him out by making him also handle the ball so much against pressure. And I don’t know that either are capable of initiating the offense either. Manu can do it in a pinch, but even he has gotten sloppy with the basketball. Tony is a problem. Not that he isn’t good enough to start and compete against 29 teams in the league, it’s just that you can’t hide him against GSW. But there is no one on the roster that is an absolute solution to that issue. And hell, there is probably no way the Spurs can assemble a team that can beat them in a 7 game series assuming GSW has absolute health. So why trade Parker for a low chance of beating the GSW? He’s guided us to many 50 win seasons, and he was fine last year. Is he a superstar? No, not anymore, but until you have someone that can give you at least what he has left, he cannot be traded. The Spurs need at least one legit PG on their roster. That is the one spot where they do not have adequate depth.

[SAGirl]

In '01-'02, Tim played 40.6 MPG for 82 games. And in the playoffs he put up 27.6 PPG, 14.4 RB, 5 AST, and 4.4 blocks! All better than his RS stats.
In '02-'03, Tim played 39.3 MPG for 81 games. And in the playoffs he put up 24.7 PPG, 15.4 RB, 5.3 AST, and 3.3 blocks. All better than RS, AND he let the team to a Championship.

I can't even begin to understand why Kawhi can't play more than 33 MPG at this point in his career. And that's the most Pop has ever played him.

As for his ball handling skills - I don't hear people "expecting" him to do it so much as noticing that it's not his strong suit. It is sort of hard for me to imagine people discussing a SF as a serious league MVP contender, unless he has superior ball handling skills. And maybe that's what they are saying. Someone above suggested that Kawhi "deserves" to handle the ball as much as any other MVP candidate. I don't even know what to say to that. LeBron, for instance, only "deserves" to handle the ball because he's really good at it. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be LeBron.
I think there are issues of fit in the Spurs that always limit players. Players sacrifice areas of their games to fit within a team concept in the Spurs, specially young players who have diversified their games and are able to do more than just one thing.

Tony as a ball dominant guard who needs the ball to be able to play his game, needs to be fit in somehow. I am sure at the beginning "as the man" Kawhi was not the kind of ballhandler who could withstand pressure every single posession, and outside of his spots. He had to learn to read doubles, passing angles etc. and also, his decision making had to develop, but he's reached a level where he deserves to be more ball dominant, he isn't bc Tony has to be fit in somehow bc he's a poor off the ball player.

[Emperor]

People are really underselling Parker. He's still the best PG on the team by a mile. There will long stretches of games where Murray is literally unplayable. Folks need to realize that. Simmons last season was better than Murray this season. Do you want that starting? Well, some folks did want that starting, so I guess you might.

Murray hasn't even played one single regular season game yet and you're already comparing him to Simmons from last season? And let's not forget that he's a 19 y/o rookie and it's safe to say pretty much all 19y/o rooks were unplayable from time to time during their first season. The Spurs took a chance on a young Tony Parker and maybe they'd like to take chance on Dejounte. If Parker isn't hitting open shots then that makes him pretty darn unplayable also since he's really never been known for his defensive capabilities.

[GSH]

It's actually pretty easy to understand.

For one, Spurs now pay experts to monitor stamina, and minutes in order to optimize health in the long run for their players. This isn't the main reason though, because the Spurs still go over the minutes threshold for their best players when games are tight or competitive. That's when Kawhi plays close to 40 minutes a night or in the upper 30's -- which hasn't happened very often in the regular season so far in the Kawhi era.

Truth of the matter is, in the Kawhi era, the Spurs have had a higher margin of victory than any other those teams in the early Duncan era. Last year, the Spurs blew out more teams than any other team in the NBA and had the most 20 point victories -- Kawhi was able to take a lot of 4th quarters off. So of course his overall average for minutes per game are going to be down compared to other stars who don't play for teams who are constantly blowing out teams by 20+.

It's easy to understand why he only played 33 mpg last year.


Oh sure, throw facts and logic at me. I don't know anything about he experts, but it sounds believable, and like something the Spurs would do.

So how about this? I think Pop is shooting for that <35 minute mark, even in games that are likely to be very competitive. Then he winds up having to over-use him in the second half, and he's gassed late in the 4th? Maybe if he just started out managing him for 40 minutes in those games? I still think that 33 minutes is light for a player of his stature, and in the first few years of his career. But I can't deny that the Spurs margin makes way for more bench players to get minutes.

So how about this? When Pop only plays a guy like Kawhi 33 minutes a game, it makes it difficult for amateur stat gurus to compare him to other players in the league? I mean, that's just inconsiderate.

[TheGreatYacht]

Imagine thinking fathead can play the point :lol

For fucks sake. The takes of some people.

[Russo21]

Greg Monroe????

http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Spurs-interested-in-pursuing-a-trade-for-Greg-Monroe-46315897 Deserves it's own thread mate. I saw that to and thought it'd be awesome. People whine about his lack of D but that'd change here. And if you can get a guy that puts up 15 and 9 or whatever then you try get him. I wonder if the Diaw move has something to do with this.

Gasol
Aldridge
Monroe
Dedmon

Is a formidable and legit big rotation. Would have gone from having a shitty/missing front court to extremely talented and 4 deep. Lack of stretch big men but I've heard Bertans can shoot the 3 well and could play a stretch PF, also I shudder to say Anderson may see some time at PF, and Bonner who we all know is never leaving. It's interesting for sure. And as with most, I'm sure Monroe would try harder on D being in the Spurs culture and playing for his first and only championship contender.

[Leetonidas]

I'm sure someone has mentioned it but I'm on the phone and dont wanna look but what about seeing what we can throw in for MCW

[dabom]

Imagine thinking fathead can play the point :lol

For fucks sake. The takes of some people.

It's like the twilight zone around here. Fathead shooting .33% from the field in the playoffs and people expect the guy to get more responsibilities. :lmao

[dabom]

No one has yet to explain one good thing he did last playoffs. I'm waiting SAGirl. :lmao

[tonight...you]

It's like the twilight zone around here. Fathead shooting .33% from the field in the playoffs and people expect the guy to get more responsibilities. :lmao
He will. Not out of a display of talent, but the team has nowhere else to turn this season.
Get with the times.

[dabom]

I remember when Kawhi joined the Spurs. Dude could shoot the 3 decently. play great defense and slash to the basketball off the ball. :wow

Fathead is the exact opposite. Can't shoot the three. Can't rebound or defend. Can't play off the ball on offense or defense. :lmao

[tmtcsc]

Tony has outlived his usefulness and effectiveness. It's been mentioned ad nauseam, but its true. He had some very good years but he is no longer good at breaking down defenses by driving in to the lane. He seldom beats defenders off the dribble and is a liability on defense. All of which would be fine if he could somehow score by hitting his jumper consistently. We all know that isn't going to happen.

I'm in the camp that says IF someone is willing to take him in a trade, then you move and replace him with another adequate PG. Use his salary to bring in another impact player like Greg Monroe. I think you can replace what Tony is giving this team with someone less costly and younger. Who? I don't know but I know it wouldn't take much and there are plenty of PG's that are younger.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'd trade Tony for Vasquez in a heartbeat

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's like the twilight zone around here. Fathead shooting .33% from the field in the playoffs and people expect the guy to get more responsibilities. :lmao

Between small sample sizes and the entire notion of player development your stupidity is showing.

[tonight...you]

I remember when Kawhi joined the Spurs. Dude could shoot the 3 decently. play great defense and slash to the basketball off the ball. :wow

Fathead is the exact opposite. Can't shoot the three. Can't rebound or defend. Can't play off the ball on offense or defense. :lmao
Changes nothing about the fact that he's about to be the 6/7th guy off of this bench and will be handed more responsibilities. It's happening.
Discuss along those terms... even if it's just trolling.

[dabom]

Between small sample sizes and the entire notion of player development your stupidity is showing.

Enlighten me. Improving from burning sack-of-shit to just sack of shit is considered an improvement. Just don't try to say it ain't a sack-of-shit. :lmao

[tmtcsc]

People are really underselling Parker. He's still the best PG on the team by a mile. There will long stretches of games where Murray is literally unplayable. Folks need to realize that. Simmons last season was better than Murray this season. Do you want that starting? Well, some folks did want that starting, so I guess you might.

:lol That's not saying much at all. He's the ONLY pg on this team. Mills is no point guard and neither is Murray. TP would be a nice backup somewhere and perhaps another team would be willing to pay him to do it. His salary won't hurt quite as much when the cap moves up next year. He needs a fresh start somewhere else and the Spurs need a different player manning the point. It doesn't need to be an all-star, just someone who can hit a jump shot consistently, defend on the perimeter for longer stretches than TP could, and get the ball to the right people.

[dabom]

:lol That's not saying much at all. He's the ONLY pg on this team. Mills is no point guard and neither is Murray. TP would be a nice backup somewhere and perhaps another team would be willing to pay him to do it. His salary won't hurt quite as much when the cap moves up next year. He needs a fresh start somewhere else and the Spurs need a different player manning the point. It doesn't need to be an all-star, just someone who can hit a jump shot consistently, defend on the perimeter for longer stretches than TP could, and get the ball to the right people.

He still would want Dwest as our starting center. Player evaluations. Dude should retire from modding there. :lmao

[tav1]

In this hypothetical scenario of Spurs being interested in Monroe, why is a third team needed? What is it that a third team supplementing? Where does a straight two team deal fall short?

I don't like either of these trades, but Parker for Monroe works (I value Parker more than Monroe) and Green + Mills works (again, I'd rather keep both players than trade for Monroe), but Monroe isn't a terrible player. It's plausible. He's a conversation starter. The Bucks have no leverage, of course. They've backed themselves into a fire sale.

I'm guessing PATFO would want much more value back under either scenario and it falls on Milwaukee to find a sweetener elsewhere.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Enlighten me. Improving from burning sack-of-shit to just sack of shit is considered an improvement. Just don't try to say it ain't a sack-of-shit. :lmao

He improved his defense and rebounding significantly as well as got stronger last season. I expect he will continue to improve.

He had a bad series. If a bad run condemned someone, you would have been executed long ago.

The schtick of grandstanding a poor season ending performance is not new nor is it particularly creative. Doesn't mean its worth a shit for analysis. All you really do is parrot the shooting percentage over and again like a moron.

[dabom]

He improved his defense and rebounding significantly as well as got stronger last season. I expect he will continue to improve.

He had a bad series. If a bad run condemned someone, you would have been executed long ago.

The schtick of grandstanding a poor season ending performance is not new nor is it particularly creative. Doesn't mean its worth a shit for analysis. All you really do is parrot the shooting percentage over and again like a moron.

How about the other one. He didn't even play vs the clippers last year. Not one minute. Dude is a bum. Stahhhp. :lmao

[tonight...you]

He improved his defense and rebounding significantly as well as got stronger last season. I expect he will continue to improve.

He had a bad series. If a bad run condemned someone, you would have been executed long ago.

The schtick of grandstanding a poor season ending performance is not new nor is it particularly creative. Doesn't mean its worth a shit for analysis. All you really do is parrot the shooting percentage over and again like a moron.
Lol, you expect to get somewhere with this... First off, when engaging in an intellectual debate, understand what's standing in front of you. You, of all people, being an argumentative poster, should understand this most basic thing before going into battle.
Good luck, buddy. I don't expect you to do anything productive, or destructive with this one.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How about the other one. He didn't even play vs the clippers last year. Not one minute. Dude is a bum. Stahhhp. :lmao

Is this really what you think is acceptable logic? Again:


Between small sample sizes and the entire notion of player development your stupidity is showing.

[tmtcsc]

In this hypothetical scenario of Spurs being interested in Monroe, why is a third team needed? What is it that a third team supplementing? Where does a straight two team deal fall short?

I don't like either of these trades, but Parker for Monroe works (I value Parker more than Monroe) and Green + Mills works (again, I'd rather keep both players than trade for Monroe), but Monroe isn't a terrible player. It's plausible. He's a conversation starter. The Bucks have no leverage, of course. They've backed themselves into a fire sale.

I'm guessing PATFO would want much more value back under either scenario and it falls on Milwaukee to find a sweetener elsewhere.


Spurs move Parker to Team X (Philly?), Team X (Philly) moves a player to Bucks (One of their Bigs?), Bucks move Monroe to Spurs. Maybe something like that.

[dabom]

I saw the fathead being garbage a mile away. I remember Fuzzy was in that Fathead playoff minute tracker along with some other fathead threads. I can see why he still tilting. :lmao

[Nathan89]

Frankly I am ready for the team to move a different direction. We ain't winning with Tony. I'd even suggest a very Jason Kidd like experiment with SlowMo and Kawhi for point forwards together TBH. Team has to go another direction. We could have the ultimate all forward team and really kill with size, since that is what Pop wants. :lol Who is going to guard these two TBH?



I agree with this. I don't care that Tony is our best pg. When we play the Warriors I'd rather play lineups that don't involve Parker even if that means more dribbling for Kawhi.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol, you expect to get somewhere with this... First off, when engaging in an intellectual debate, understand what's standing in front of you. You, of all people, being an argumentative poster, should understand this most basic thing before going into battle.
Good luck, buddy. I don't expect you to do anything productive, or destructive with this one.

No one wins internet arguments. There is no objective judge. I get that. The point is convincing him.

[tav1]

Spurs move Parker to Team X (Philly?), Team X (Philly) moves a player to Bucks (One of their Bigs?), Bucks move Monroe to Spurs. Maybe something like that.

Milwaukee is desperate for point guards. I assumed Parker was their target.

[tonight...you]

No one wins internet arguments. There is no objective judge. I get that. The point is convincing him.
I salute you. A Fool's Errand is always in the eye of the beholder.

[Nathan89]

I'd rather watch a Kawhi, Green, Bertans, LMA, and Monroe lineup than a lineup with Parker in it.

[tonight...you]

Milwaukee is desperate for point guards. I assumed Parker was their target.
I thought the Greek Freak was going to be the Guy manning the point for them. They already abandon that after all his triple dubs at the position, late last season when they put him there?

[TheGreatYacht]

It's like the twilight zone around here. Fathead shooting .33% from the field in the playoffs and people expect the guy to get more responsibilities. :lmao
Kyle fans are pathetic :lol

When Simmons dominates in the Summer League = "it won't slide in the NBA"

When Fathead plays alright = "Give him more minutes! He's ready! Who cares if he's the only third year player in the summer league"

I won't call out any posters, but one of his biggest fans hates on every player on the bench and on ball-dominant players like Tony and Manu.. They they'll call you a Kyle "hater" like a hypocrite

[cd98]

I'd rather watch a Kawhi, Green, Bertans, LMA, and Monroe lineup than a lineup with Parker in it.

You have no idea what that line up looks like. You trade Parker, and then you can't comeback to a workable point guard because there are none on the roster and so you can pick scrap off the D- League rosters, but if you think Parker is not far superior to that, you are kidding yourself. There is not a glut of starter caliber point guards with championship experience. Again, I see the decline in Parker's game like everyone, but until someone has a workable theory of a replacement for this year, then they are wasting their time. We have no depth at PG and we can't rely on Kawhi and Green to beat a press against the upper echelon of teams in the NBA.

[tbdog]

Gasol and Monroe would not fit defensively. And I am not sure having 50mil tied up in front court is a smart decision.

[K...]

Lol in one corner Dabom....in the other PAfto.

oh and lol "he sucked in the playoffs so he sucks" Gim me that KAwhi vs CLippers fade job and i got a whole new round of kawhi trolling in me using this general rule of playoff sucking.

Oh and lol "kawhi is better" no shit. Lets start the all Dabom team of patty Kawhi and no other players. Thats his dream scenario.

[TheGreatYacht]

You have no idea what that line up looks like. You trade Parker, and then you can't comeback to a workable point guard because there are none on the roster and so you can pick scrap off the D- League rosters, but if you think Parker is not far superior to that, you are kidding yourself. There is not a glut of starter caliber point guards with championship experience. Again, I see the decline in Parker's game like everyone, but until someone has a workable theory of a replacement for this year, then they are wasting their time. We have no depth at PG and we can't rely on Kawhi and Green to beat a press against the upper echelon of teams in the NBA.
Wasting your time with one of his biggest haters, man. He blamed Parker for 2013 :lol

[dabom]

Kyle fans are pathetic :lol

When Simmons dominates in the Summer League = "it won't slide in the NBA"

When Fathead plays alright = "Give him more minutes! He's ready! Who cares if he's the only third year player in the summer league"

I won't call out any posters, but one of his biggest fans hates on every player on the bench and on ball-dominant players like Tony and Manu.. They they'll call you a Kyle "hater" like a hypocrite

I have never seen someone casually talk so much shit about Manu AND Tony while blaming them for Kyle's inabilities on the court. :lol

[cd98]

I'm not a big Anderson fan, but I think you have to give him 3 years to make a final judgment. He's been putting in the work. Let's see how he does this year with more responsibility before we say he shouldn't be on the team. That and all this talk about being slow...lots of great NBA players have been slow. They can make adjustments to the athleticism in the NBA. I think Anderson has the skills to make that adjustment, but it's no guarantee. He doesn't shoot like Mullin (who was slow as an iceberg), but if he can be a 38-40% three point shooter and get into switches where he can post up smaller players, he could be an asset off the bench. I don't know if he can guard 4s though. That will be the big question, though he did have a few moments against Durrant that he looked pretty good.

[tonight...you]

Lol in one corner Dabom....in the other PAfto.

oh and lol "he sucked in the playoffs so he sucks" Gim me that KAwhi vs CLippers fade job and i got a whole new round of kawhi trolling in me using this general rule of playoff sucking.

Oh and lol "kawhi is better" no shit. Lets start the all Dabom team of patty Kawhi and no other players. Thats his dream scenario.
Hey! Hey... TGY is in Dabom's corner too. The guy is not alone here... Apa's there too, chewing on a towel, Tarkanian style.
Give the man his propers. He's got a team behind him.

#Respect

[objective]

Basketball Insiders is now listing the salaries for Gasol and Bertans as

Gasol - 15.5. -. 16.1975

Bertans - 0.543. -. 0.975

[tav1]

I thought the Greek Freak was going to be the Guy manning the point for them. They already abandon that after all his triple dubs at the position, late last season when they put him there?

I think he'll run minutes at point, but it's not his natural position. He doesn't really have a natural position, in the best possible sense. Parker/Middleton/Giannis/Parker/A Plumlee is a pretty good starting lineup in the east.

[Dex]

I'm not a big Anderson fan, but I think you have to give him 3 years to make a final judgment. He's been putting in the work. Let's see how he does this year with more responsibility before we say he shouldn't be on the team. That and all this talk about being slow...lots of great NBA players have been slow. They can make adjustments to the athleticism in the NBA. I think Anderson has the skills to make that adjustment, but it's no guarantee. He doesn't shoot like Mullin (who was slow as an iceberg), but if he can be a 38-40% three point shooter and get into switches where he can post up smaller players, he could be an asset off the bench. I don't know if he can guard 4s though. That will be the big question, though he did have a few moments against Durrant that he looked pretty good.

Agreed...this is a big year for Anderson. If he breaks out this year, he could have a long NBA career ahead of him. If not...he will probably be one of those guys who is in and out of the league in 5 years.

He may never be a superstar or even a star, but he knows the system, he can spell three positions, and he has potential. For the price, he is definitely worth the gamble.

[tonight...you]

I think he'll run minutes at point, but it's not his natural position. He doesn't really have a natural position, in the best possible sense. Parker/Middleton/Giannis/Parker/A Plumlee is a pretty good starting lineup in the east.
In the East? Yeah, you're right.
No matter what, the Bucks are going to be an interesting team to watch next year, for sure.

[dabom]

Hey! Hey... TGY is in Dabom's corner too. The guy is not alone here... Apa's there too, chewing on a towel, Tarkanian style.
Give the man his propers. He's got a team behind him.

#Respect

All my points are correct though. Some people have biases(Fuzzy, sagirl, ...) I don't.

I say what I like and why. Only a few other posters as consistent as me. I do got a lot of haters though. Usually from proving them wrong though. They come around eventually. Better late than never.

[TheGreatYacht]

I have never seen someone casually talk so much shit about Manu AND Tony while blaming them for Kyle's inabilities on the court. :lol
Let's give a player who averaged 3 assists and 2 turnovers Per-36, point guard duties! :lol

He's got a huge cranium so there must be some bball IQ in there somewhere

[dabom]

Let's give a player who averaged 3 assists and 2 turnovers Per-36, point guard duties! :lol

He's got a huge cranium so there must be some bball IQ in there somewhere

:lmao

[tonight...you]

All my points are correct though. Some people have biases(Fuzzy, sagirl, ...) I don't.

I say what I like and why. Only a few other posters as consistent as me. I do got a lot of haters though. Usually from proving them wrong though. They come around eventually. Better late than never.
I feel you. No shade thrown your way. Unless there's shade thrown your way...
We do what we do.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All my points are correct though. Some people have biases(Fuzzy, sagirl, ...) I don't.

I say what I like and why. Only a few other posters as consistent as me. I do got a lot of haters though. Usually from proving them wrong though. They come around eventually. Better late than never.

Megalomania is not convincing. You sure like talking about yourself though.

You don't matter.

[tonight...you]

Megalomania is not convincing. You sure like talking about yourself though.

You don't matter.
#DabomLivesMatter

[dabom]

Megalomania is not convincing. You sure like talking about yourself though.

You don't matter.

I'm glad you showed yourself. :lol

[elemento]

For the fellows that want a salary/cap update, Eric Pincus has updated the Spurs page. He includes Bertans, Forbes and Arcidiacono.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/

[Hoops Czar]

Kyle fans are pathetic :lol

When Simmons dominates in the Summer League = "it won't slide in the NBA"

When Fathead plays alright = "Give him more minutes! He's ready! Who cares if he's the only third year player in the summer league"

I won't call out any posters, but one of his biggest fans hates on every player on the bench and on ball-dominant players like Tony and Manu.. They they'll call you a Kyle "hater" like a hypocrite

Evaluating someone's performance based on Summer League competition is an exercise in futility. Kyle Anderson is white-hot trash and dominating a bunch of D-league scrubs and underdeveloped rookie prospects doesn't make you an NBA caliber player. The dude won SL MVP last year and not only was he a net negative (-3.9) coming off the bench last year, but he was virtually unplayable against quality opponents. How myopic can people be not to see that Ginobili has carried this scrub for two years, soon to be three. If Pop cared more about winning and less about teaching life lessons, His ass would be glued to the bench.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm glad you showed yourself. :lol

And now the dissembling into this nonsense. Wonder where I've seen this routine before?

Has a shrink ever diagnosed you with narcissistic, borderline, or similar personality disorder? The reason I ask is that the victimhood and megalomania you exhibit are hallmarks of said disorders and places like this where it is very easy to change identities are ideal for low functioning varieties of such personality types.

[dabom]

And now the dissembling into this nonsense. Wonder where I've seen this routine before?

Has a shrink ever diagnosed you with narcissistic, borderline, or similar personality disorder? The reason I ask is that the victimhood and megalomania you exhibit are hallmarks of said disorders and places like this where it is very easy to change identities are ideal for such personality types.

I really do have a blast on ST. I bet you're tense just typing posts. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really do have a blast on ST. I bet you're tense just typing posts. :lol

So you avoid the question and try to characterize my emotional state instead. Thanks for the insight.

[raybies]

Basketball Insiders is now listing the salaries for Gasol and Bertans as

Gasol - 15.5. -. 16.1975

Bertans - 0.543. -. 0.975

Spurs better enjoy it now cause of he stays healthy and does what he's capable of he's gonna get paid. Is it a player option for the second year?

[dabom]

So you avoid the question and try to characterize my emotional state instead. Thanks for the insight.

You're the Psychiatrist here. :lmao

[tonight...you]

I've been down this toilet flush semi-recently myself.
Some people learn... some don't. Thankfully I rather enjoy hard liquor and all of my other vices which makes this site more fun.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're the Psychiatrist here. :lmao

Nope. I'm just stating facts. I asked you if a psychiatrist had diagnosed you because you exhibit traits and you're dodging.

[dabom]

Nope. I'm just stating facts. I asked you if a psychiatrist had diagnosed you because you exhibit traits and you're dodging.

You're exactly right. What can I do? I guess I have to make fun of the nonintellectual people on ST. :lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're exactly right. What can I do? I guess I have to make fun of the nonintellectual people on ST. :lmao

You could answer the question. At this point we have to wonder why you don't. We both know what people conclude from such things.

So there is a fair chance you have a sociopathic personality disorder. Good job.

[tonight...you]

Now we are definitely getting down to the nitty gritty.
I'm fascinated! What happens next? ... ... ...

[dabom]

You could answer the question. At this point we have to wonder why you don't. We both know what people conclude from such things.

So there is a fair chance you have a sociopathic personality disorder. Good job.

I don't play dumb games or answer stupid questions. Been my motto forever. Has nothing to do with your pseudo psychiatrist analysis. :lmao

[tonight...you]

Forcefield activated... how impenetrable is it, though?
Here we go...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't play dumb games or answer stupid questions. Been my motto forever. Has nothing to do with your pseudo psychiatrist analysis. :lmao

Megalomania, martyrdom, and then you tried to aggrandize yourself by how much fun you have making fun of others. You can call it stupid all you want but those are all hallmarks of those types of disorders. When you take the golden rule and turn it on its head it's a sign of a lack of empathy in and of itself. You also love talking about yourself but now you won't. That begs the question absolutely.

Given the above it is a completely reasonable question.

[tonight...you]

Counter punch! But did it land?

[dabom]

What really begs the question is the idiot who thinks he can diagnose people from a message board when he has no knowledge in real life. But hey, you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express right? :lmao

[Chinook]

Basketball Insiders is now listing the salaries for Gasol and Bertans as

Gasol - 15.5. -. 16.1975

Bertans - 0.543. -. 0.975

Yeah, that's crazy for Bertans to take a paycut to give Gasol more money. The Spurs actually had about $2.5 Million in cap space in my estimation before signing their over-the-cap deals. I guess they absolutely could not find a way to use it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What really begs the question is the idiot who thinks he can diagnose people from a message board when he has no knowledge in real life. But hey, you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express right? :lmao

I'm not diagnosing you; I'm saying you exhibit traits and there is a huge difference. I'm asking whether or not a shrink has diagnosed you. I know very well I am not in a position to do more than wonder. Now that you refuse to answer a simple direct question, I wonder even more.

[dabom]

I'm not diagnosing you; I'm saying you exhibit traits and there is a huge difference. I'm asking whether or not a shrink has diagnosed you. I know very well I am not in a position to do more than wonder. Now that you refuse to answer a simple direct question, I wonder even more.

I guess we can call you a Wondering Man now. :lol

I hope people at least understand why you're so defensive here. :lmao

[Nathan89]

You have no idea what that line up looks like. You trade Parker, and then you can't comeback to a workable point guard because there are none on the roster and so you can pick scrap off the D- League rosters, but if you think Parker is not far superior to that, you are kidding yourself. There is not a glut of starter caliber point guards with championship experience. Again, I see the decline in Parker's game like everyone, but until someone has a workable theory of a replacement for this year, then they are wasting their time. We have no depth at PG and we can't rely on Kawhi and Green to beat a press against the upper echelon of teams in the NBA.

It's a gamble. Worst case scenario I'm starting Manu at the pg spot in the playoffs which is also something I'd rather have than TP in my starting lineup.

[Thomas82]

Yep. It's like they want him to guard the best player on the other team, score 30 points, including all clutch baskets in the 4th, and now dribble the ball up and initiate the offense. Yes, he will play 40 minutes a game and have nothing left for the playoffs. And if he does dominate the ball, then they'll call him a ball stopper and demand that he be traded.

Too much of that makes for a short prime.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I guess we can call you a Wondering Man now. :lol

I hope people at least understand why you're so defensive here. :lmao

Still dodging the question. I think I've made my point nonetheless. My work here is done.

[peacemaker885]

Quoting defeats ignore list... :-(

[dabom]

Still dodging the question. I think I've made my point nonetheless. My work here is done.

Sure buddy. You've just taken a page from chump and kung pow. I'll let you figure it out. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Evaluating someone's performance based on Summer League competition is an exercise in futility. Kyle Anderson is white-hot trash and dominating a bunch of D-league scrubs and underdeveloped rookie prospects doesn't make you an NBA caliber player. The dude won SL MVP last year and not only was he a net negative (-3.9) coming off the bench last year, but he was virtually unplayable against quality opponents. How myopic can people be not to see that Ginobili has carried this scrub for two years, soon to be three. If Pop cared more about winning and less about teaching life lessons, His ass would be glued to the bench.
Great post, per par :toast

[objective]

Spurs better enjoy it now cause of he stays healthy and does what he's capable of he's gonna get paid. Is it a player option for the second year?

No option, both years guaranteed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Evaluating someone's performance based on Summer League competition is an exercise in futility. Kyle Anderson is white-hot trash and dominating a bunch of D-league scrubs and underdeveloped rookie prospects doesn't make you an NBA caliber player. The dude won SL MVP last year and not only was he a net negative (-3.9) coming off the bench last year, but he was virtually unplayable against quality opponents. How myopic can people be not to see that Ginobili has carried this scrub for two years, soon to be three. If Pop cared more about winning and less about teaching life lessons, His ass would be glued to the bench.

I don't agree that it is futile. You can tell if someone cannot do something. If they fail at something in summer league then they will fail at it at the higher level. Success only means they have a shot at the higher level.

That last bit seems completely obtuse about player development although typical of the instant gratification that is the hallmark of US civilization nowadays.

[montgod]

I would rather Spurs try and get Taj Gibson for half the price of Monroe. Only reason I could see Spurs looking into him is to be a long term replacement for Pau as soon as next year.

[tbdog]

I would rather Spurs try and get Taj Gibson for half the price of Monroe. Only reason I could see Spurs looking into him is to be a long term replacement for Pau as soon as next year.

Same, but it appears Spurs want to go full big.

[cd98]

It's a gamble. Worst case scenario I'm starting Manu at the pg spot in the playoffs which is also something I'd rather have than TP in my starting lineup.

That's great but Manu only plays 15 minutes a game. He's not the answer.

[TD 21]

If true, the only reason I think the Spurs are looking into Monroe, is due diligence. Essentially trying to find out if his stock is so low, that he could be had in damn near a straight salary dump. Granted, they don't have the space to absorb his salary, but that's where the third team would come in.

He obviously wouldn't make sense on the roster and there's probably a 99.99% chance of this not happening, but as we all know, they desperately need another rotation big and for all his warts, he's far better than what's left in the bargain bin.

[mo7888]

Yeah, that's crazy for Bertans to take a paycut to give Gasol more money. The Spurs actually had about $2.5 Million in cap space in my estimation before signing their over-the-cap deals. I guess they absolutely could not find a way to use it.

so what do you think about this Monroe talk? And how would it fit with our cap?

[montgod]

If true, the only reason I think the Spurs are looking into Monroe, is due diligence. Essentially trying to find out if his stock is so low, that he could be had in damn near a straight salary dump. Granted, they don't have the space to absorb his salary, but that's where the third team would come in.

He obviously wouldn't make sense on the roster and there's probably a 99.99% chance of this not happening, but as we all know, they desperately need another rotation big and for all his warts, he's far better than what's left in the bargain bin.

I agree, he is better than what's out there now, but not the case as far as trades go. Gibson is one example I mentioned but lots of other teams out there with addl bigs to be had at Monroe's price tag. It's odd since it limits next years cap flexibility to some degree (unless Pau is gone), he plays minimal defense (Pop pet peeve = year long dog house), bad rep/something (no team wants to keep him), less defensive flexibility if Green is gone (Simmons is no Green on defense), and I just don't believe rumor is true honestly.

[GSH]

I've been down this toilet flush semi-recently myself.
Some people learn... some don't. Thankfully I rather enjoy hard liquor and all of my other vices which makes this site more fun.

Forcefield activated... how impenetrable is it, though?
Here we go...

Counter punch! But did it land?


LOL... as if the conversation hadn't already gone far enough down the rabbit hole. It sounds like you're narrating a Batman comic. :lol


Hey, how 'bout them Spurs, huh?

[tonight...you]

LOL... as if the conversation hadn't already gone far enough down the rabbit hole. It sounds like you're narrating a Batman comic. :lol


Hey, how 'bout them Spurs, huh?
I'm excited as hell. I like Bertans and think he's going to be useful. I think Kyle is either going to sink, or swim this year and I like the dynamic of Pau on the team.
Otherwise, I'm going to treat this site as my personal comic book.
It's a hell of a lot more fun that way.

[GSH]

I'm excited as hell. I like Bertans and think he's going to be useful. I think Kyle is either going to sink, or swim this year and I like the dynamic of Pau on the team.
Otherwise, I'm going to treat this site as my personal comic book.
It's a hell of a lot more fun that way.


I'm starting to think your hard liquor approach is the way to go. You mentioned some other vices. Maybe your should PM me, and I'll give them a try, too.

[SAGirl]

I agree with this. I don't care that Tony is our best pg. When we play the Warriors I'd rather play lineups that don't involve Parker even if that means more dribbling for Kawhi.
I suggested two guys. Murray as an off the ball guy. Let's assume he doesn't know shit about the PG spot and needs to learn. If he can play defense and shoot a 3, play him mostly off the ball. He probably will take off on his own on occasion bc he's a transition player, but he needs to be coached just like Tony. He's more likely to give someone fits with good coaching to someone on defense, will grab loose balls, boards, than Tony will and he will probably make an energy play here or there. That's more than Tony does on defense. In the initial Tony stages when he was a Dejounte age, from my understanding it was all "give Timmy the Ball". Dejounte can give Kawhi, Paul and LMA and whoever the ball, just the same, while he develops his own game. The Spurs don't need a ball dominant old fashioned old PG who is not even a good passer right this second.

The other idea I had for Pop if things were too disorganized out there and what he really wanted was a leader and game manager. Then Slowmo is that guy. He's the most unorthodox guy we have, but he's a true PG/game manager in the sense that he will look for teammates and get them the ball, will control tempo, understand every set, timing, etc. He's the most cerebral of the young players in the team and if the team is looking for leadership in the young crew, he has it. He won't be prone to heroballing or throwing the ball away. Heck I don't know if it will work, but he's done it b4. He was actually directing the offense from the 4 spot in SL. He did that in garbage time last season too. The Spurs are going somewhere with him. I just can't tell exactly, but directing an offense from whatever spot has been a part of it.

In the end, it doesn't matter, I know Pop will stay traditional. I just thought its about time that Pop starts throwing wrinkles out there for others to worry about. I mean this is if those Monroe rumors are true, which they probably aren't.

[tonight...you]

I'm starting to think your hard liquor approach is the way to go. You mentioned some other vices. Maybe your should PM me, and I'll give them a try, too.
Always liked you. You my megafriend, megabro!
Yeah... I'm currently watching Megaforce.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aq9rwasEm2k/VWjNNjHTkvI/AAAAAAAADkU/RLOiHHEfGSY/s1600/Megaforce%2B-%2BBooklet%2B04.jpg

[TD 21]

I agree, he is better than what's out there now, but not the case as far as trades go. Gibson is one example I mentioned but lots of other teams out there with addl bigs to be had at Monroe's price tag. It's odd since it limits next years cap flexibility to some degree (unless Pau is gone), he plays minimal defense (Pop pet peeve = year long dog house), bad rep/something (no team wants to keep him), less defensive flexibility if Green is gone (Simmons is no Green on defense), and I just don't believe rumor is true honestly.

I don't believe it to be true either; just chiming in on the news of the day. :lol

I usually disregard rumors that make no sense, even if they come from credible sources, like Stein reporting the Spurs' supposed interest in Conley.

[tonight...you]

I don't believe it to be true either; just chiming in on the news of the day. :lol

I usually disregard rumors that make no sense, even if they come from credible sources, like Stein reporting the Spurs' supposed interest in Conley.
Yeah, but... you like... use your head and stuff.
That is so yesterday. Come on over, take your shirt off, grab a towel and watch some Megaforce for a hot minute.
We'll get that head thinking shit fixed right quick.

[Kawhitstorm]

Great post, per par :toast

Fat Head only schooled Matt "GOAT" Barnes in one of the few games he started:

UkDlfMTjr5A

[GSH]

Always liked you. You my megafriend, megabro!
Yeah... I'm currently watching Megaforce.


Oh, man. If I started drinking, watching Megaforce, and checking this place on my computer all at the same time, I'm afraid I'd go all Randolph Carter. You're playing with dangerous shit here.

[cd98]

I suggested two guys. Murray as an off the ball guy. Let's assume he doesn't know shit about the PG spot and needs to learn. If he can play defense and shoot a 3, play him mostly off the ball. He probably will take off on his own on occasion bc he's a transition player, but he needs to be coached just like Tony. He's more likely to give someone fits with good coaching to someone on defense, will grab loose balls, boards, than Tony will and he will probably make an energy play here or there. That's more than Tony does on defense. In the initial Tony stages when he was a Dejounte age, from my understanding it was all "give Timmy the Ball". Dejounte can give Kawhi, Paul and LMA and whoever the ball, just the same, while he develops his own game. The Spurs don't need a ball dominant old fashioned old PG who is not even a good passer right this second.

The other idea I had for Pop if things were too disorganized out there and what he really wanted was a leader and game manager. Then Slowmo is that guy. He's the most unorthodox guy we have, but he's a true PG/game manager in the sense that he will look for teammates and get them the ball, will control tempo, understand every set, timing, etc. He's the most cerebral of the young players in the team and if the team is looking for leadership in the young crew, he has it. He won't be prone to heroballing or throwing the ball away. Heck I don't know if it will work, but he's done it b4. He was actually directing the offense from the 4 spot in SL. He did that in garbage time last season too. The Spurs are going somewhere with him. I just can't tell exactly, but directing an offense from whatever spot has been a part of it.

In the end, it doesn't matter, I know Pop will stay traditional. I just thought its about time that Pop starts throwing wrinkles out there for others to worry about. I mean this is if those Monroe rumors are true, which they probably aren't.

What happens when Murray gives the Warriors 9 extra possessions to score because he turns the ball over so much? I like the kid's length, but he's far from a good defender right now. Other than getting lucky gamble steals, I thought he looked quite bad on defense. He has the tools and we may talk about him starting in 3 years, but if he plays significant minutes versus the Warriors, it's bc we're down by 20. He isn't the answer this year.

And if you are gambling on trading away the only PG on your roster with the idea that Slomo will play point guard against the Warriors, then you are quite the risk taker. Pop has not used him in that role despite how helpful it would be if he could play PG, so I think they've seen him in practice and determined he only makes it in the NBA as a stretch 4. We don't know how good/bad he will be this year. But my money is on mixed results, which means I still prefer Parker as the starter unless the Spurs trade for another starting PG. that doesn't look possible right now.

[Leetonidas]

If anything I feel like, looking at the type of roster Kidd is building in Milwaukee, they would probably want Anderson in a deal imo

[tonight...you]

Oh, man. If I started drinking, watching Megaforce, and checking this place on my computer all at the same time, I'm afraid I'd go all Randolph Carter. You're playing with dangerous shit here.
:lol :toast
I have zero doubt and it would be AWESOME.
I look forward to you giving in and joining the Dark Side. We have a TON of fun over here...

[tonight...you]

If anything I feel like, looking at the type of roster Kidd is building in Milwaukee, they would probably want Anderson in a deal imo
Too true. Lol. They want an all 6'9 and over team.

[montgod]

Too true. Lol. They want an all 6'9 and over team.

We could build him up as a poor man's Simmons (76ers) who could be their backup point-forward lol!

[tonight...you]

We could build him up as a poor man's Simmons (76ers) who could be their backup point-forward lol!
Even if they could, what could they get for him? Nobody under 6'9".

[ElNono]

Assuming they moved TP to get him:

Kawhi Leonard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Pau Gasol
Danny Green
POINT GUARD ?

Greg Monroe
Dedmon
Patty Mills
Manu Ginobili
Kyle Anderson

Jonathan Simmons
Davis Bertans
Dejounte Murray
Bryn Forbes
Archiholdthemayo


Kawhi Leonard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Pau Gasol
Danny Green
Manu Ginobili

Greg Monroe
Dedmon
Patty Mills
Jonathan Simmons
Kyle Anderson

Bryn Forbes
Davis Bertans
Dejounte Murray
Archiholdthemayo

[tonight...you]

Kawhi Leonard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Pau Gasol
Danny Green
Manu Ginobili

Greg Monroe
Dedmon
Patty Mills
Jonathan Simmons
Kyle Anderson

Bryn Forbes
Davis Bertans
Dejounte Murray
Archiholdthemayo
That team will be dead in the water by the playoffs unless someone is spelling Manu for a hell of a lot of minutes in both the RS and the playoffs.

[ElNono]

That team will be dead in the water by the playoffs unless someone is spelling Manu for a hell of a lot of minutes in both the RS and the playoffs.

We should be up 30 in 15 mins or less though... at that point you can trot in Archiholdthemayo, tbh

[tonight...you]

We should be up 30 in 15 mins or less though... at that point you can trot in Archiholdthemayo, tbh
Damn, You got me.
:bobo

[ElNono]

Damn, You got me.
:bobo

:bobo

[tonight...you]

:bobo
Every time I look at your post totals, its up by like 20K from when I last looked.
That legit? You are a maniac.

[cd98]

Love Manu but at this point in his career, he can't play more than 15 minutes a game with a high likelihood of injury as a 39 year old guard. You can only rely on him as a bench player.

[ElNono]

Every time I look at your post totals, its up by like 20K from when I last looked.
That legit? You are a maniac.

I have no idea, I don't even keep track. Probably 70% of them are from Game threads...