If the Spurs lose this series..

[HarlemHeat37]

It would be the 2nd biggest Spurs' choke of the Duncan era, according to Vegas odds:lol

They opened at -275 to win the series..the only Spurs collapse that was worse was the 2011 Memphis series where they were -425 favs..:(..

[MaNu4Tres]

It would be the 2nd biggest Spurs' choke of the Duncan era, according to Vegas odds:lol

They opened at -275 to win the series..the only Spurs collapse that was worse was the 2011 Memphis series where they were -425 favs..:(..

And both of those series Pop got out coached by a huge margin. Heavy Blair/ Bonner duo ( no Splitter) vs Randolph Gasol is much like the Diaw/West bullshit (No Boban) we are seeing from Pop right now.

[Manuismyhomeboy]

They won't lose this series though

[Sean Cagney]

They won't lose this series though

I hope your not betting on it man. Long shot now. 18% chance odds say of loser in game 5.

[HarlemHeat37]

And both of those series Pop got out coached by a huge margin. Heavy Blair/ Bonner duo ( no Splitter) vs Randolph Gasol is much like the Diaw/West bullshit (No Boban) we are seeing from Pop right now.

At least Manu was hurt during that series, and Memphis wasn't a "real" 8th seed(they clearly tanked to get the Spurs)..there's no excuse for this potential OKC defeat, the Spurs are fully healthy(excluding the nagging injuries that plague every team this deep into the playoffs)..

[apalisoc_9]

Its done bro.

Lets just hope for these things to happen in pre-season.

- West, Diaw, Porker Gone.
-Kawhi grows some balls and tells his egotistical coach. "I'm done with your bitch ass overcoaching" 34mpg and the ball on my hand or trade.

-Aldridge retires and becomes a gay marriage councilor

-Porker Retires

-Pop get DUI and retiries.

[HarlemHeat37]

Its done bro.

Lets just hope for these things to happen in pre-season.

- West, Diaw, Porker Gone.
-Kawhi grows some balls and tells his egotistical coach. "I'm done with your bitch ass overcoaching" 34mpg and the ball on my hand or trade.

-Aldridge retires and becomes a gay marriage councilor

-Porker Retires

-Pop get DUI and retiries.

As much as we all hate him here, I hope it's true that Kawhi spends some time with Kobe in the off-season, tbh..you don't want him to be a cancer like Kobe, but he needs to develop the mentality that forces him to demand for the ball, etc..

[apalisoc_9]

Someone should spy on pop get him to racist things. Only way he goes. Everything he does now is to just increase his narrative legacy that the spurs only win because of his shit system. Even TDs legacy is tainted because of that asshole.

[midnightpulp]

It would be the 2nd biggest Spurs' choke of the Duncan era, according to Vegas odds:lol

They opened at -275 to win the series..the only Spurs collapse that was worse was the 2011 Memphis series where they were -425 favs..:(..

As a gambling man, you know odds are built on perception and constantly change so Vegas can get an equal amount bet on each side.

The real world odds were probably -125. Everyone here knew something was "off" with this team.

[apalisoc_9]

As much as we all hate him here, I hope it's true that Kawhi spends some time with Kobe in the off-season, tbh..you don't want him to be a cancer like Kobe, but he needs to develop the mentality that forces him to demand for the ball, etc..

Hopefully, Team USA players ego rubb off on him. He was horrid in the fourth, not in terms of play but just general assertivness. What makes it worst is that he cant even demand the ball in a game he is playing well. Major weakness from our superstar..

[apalisoc_9]

Just realized most guys playing for team USA next year are "good guys" fuck..

Really hoping Kobe can give him a word or two.

[siraulo23]

Horrible tbh

But spurs losing this series feels like them losing a regular season game when you compare to the 2013 Finals lost

[HarlemHeat37]

As a gambling man, you know odds are built on perception and constantly change so Vegas can get an equal amount bet on each side.

The real world odds were probably -125. Everyone here knew something was "off" with this team.

The public's influence on the final number is nowhere near the difference between -275 and -125, bro..OKC is almost as much of a public team as the Spurs, too..

Most "credible analysts" had the Spurs as easy favorites, as well..

[spurtech09]

They won't lose this series thoughLets go Spurs......Spurs are not going to lose 3 in a row......

[midnightpulp]

The public's influence on the final number is nowhere near the difference between -275 and -125, bro..OKC is almost as much of a public team as the Spurs, too..

Most "credible analysts" had the Spurs as easy favorites, as well..

Tell me, in your mind, you weren't nervous going into this series? I doubt you would lay anyone 2.75 to 1. We've been closely watching and analyzing the Spurs all season. We know what's up with this team better than analysts and gamblers, who have to pay attention to dozens of teams.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Lets go Spurs......Spurs are not going to lose 3 in a row......

Didnt lose 3 in a row when we were trying all year

[therealtruth]

And we wonder why the media never takes the team seriously.

[.G.]

....life goes on.

[HarlemHeat37]

Tell me, in your mind, you weren't nervous going into this series? I doubt you would lay anyone 2.75 to 1. We've been closely watching and analyzing the Spurs all season. We know what's up with this team better than analysts and gamblers, who have to pay attention to dozens of teams.

Not really..I watched a ton of OKC games, this season, they're an extremely flawed team for a top-tier squad..

21-17 vs. +500 teams, bottom 10 defense vs. +.500 teams, 13th ranked defense overall, literally the worst team in the NBA in all "clutch time" metrics, etc..

I realize they have some matchup advantages, but it's still inexcusable, especially since the Spurs have had several double-digit leads in this series, including the games that they inevitably lost..I understand some things didn't go as planned(didn't think Duncan would completely collapse, for instance), and Durant won a game all by himself(which he's very capable of doing), but this 67-win team is playing vs. a team that struggled against +.500 teams, all year, and has a rookie coach..not to mention the Spurs had HCA, where they only lost 1 game, all season..

I continuously said the Warriors would easily beat the Spurs and there's no shame in losing to them, but blowing a series vs. this OKC team would be a huge blow IMO..

[KenziE]

Just lost $500 bucks .... I have no idea who to bet on gane 6 now but my heart tells me to go double or nothing for OKC sad but maybe il make my money back

[Harry Callahan]

At least Manu was hurt during that series, and Memphis wasn't a "real" 8th seed(they clearly tanked to get the Spurs)..there's no excuse for this potential OKC defeat, the Spurs are fully healthy(excluding the nagging injuries that plague every team this deep into the playoffs)..

I beg to differ on the "fully healthy" thing. Duncan is not close to the level of play he had in December and January (before the right knee went). Manu almost lost a nut, Tony Parker got literally tackled by a runnaway football play from Westbrick two nights ago. KL got rolled up in the same game and LMA has a messed up hand and possibly a hip issue due to an OKC player sticking out a foot in game three I think..

I hate the sniveling OKC bastards. They can all rot in hell for all I care.

[Harry Callahan]

I agree that the overall season is a failure losing to this deeply flawed Supersonics squad. I just wish Tim had not lost the last bit of mobility he had. It would have made a difference in this series if he had been reasonably healthy. He was most certainly not healthy at all.

[spurraider21]

the parallels are definitely there as far as the spurs bigs getting manhandled, with the rookie euroleague mvp center on the bench :lol

[midnightpulp]

Not really..I watched a ton of OKC games, this season, they're an extremely flawed team for a top-tier squad..

21-17 vs. +500 teams, bottom 10 defense vs. +.500 teams, 13th ranked defense overall, literally the worst team in the NBA in all "clutch time" metrics, etc..

I realize they have some matchup advantages, but it's still inexcusable, especially since the Spurs have had several double-digit leads in this series, including the games that they inevitably lost..I understand some things didn't go as planned(didn't think Duncan would completely collapse, for instance), and Durant won a game all by himself(which he's very capable of doing), but this 67-win team is playing vs. a team that struggled against +.500 teams, all year, and has a rookie coach..not to mention the Spurs had HCA, where they only lost 1 game, all season..

I continuously said the Warriors would easily beat the Spurs and there's no shame in losing to them, but blowing a series vs. this OKC team would be a huge blow IMO..

We also had a poor record vs. contending teams and against good teams on the road. OKC made me nervous when they pushed the Spurs at home sans Westbrook and Durant. They made me further nervous when they beat Dallas by 30 in Dallas. Yeah, the Mavs were flawed, but that's still a Rick Carlisle coached team with Dirk and a veteran rotation.

And for the past 3 months, Duncan has declined massively. Parker, before his good showings in games 3 and 4, looked done again. And the bench turned into the most inconsistent Spur bench of the last decade seemingly overnight. All these things conspired to force the Spurs into being a very top heavy team during that stretch, making the offense beyond predictable.

If Kawhi and LMA aren't combining for 50-60, it seems we can't win games against good teams.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Just lost $500 bucks .... I have no idea who to bet on gane 6 now but my heart tells me to go double or nothing for OKC sad but maybe il make my money back

Please do, the universe will reward that line of thinking with a Spurs win.

[Harry Callahan]

Not having Manu with the testicle injury messed the bench up big time. They did not get their mojo back.

This bullshit series is really making me mad. I look and Durant and Westbrook and realize they are nothing but career long losers who cannot function without a huge FT advantage. MBall or ISO ball with continual bail outs is not fun to watch.

[sook]

As much as we all hate him here, I hope it's true that Kawhi spends some time with Kobe in the off-season, tbh..you don't want him to be a cancer like Kobe, but he needs to develop the mentality that forces him to demand for the ball, etc..

He's been hanging around enough with Porker, if that doens't give you a selfish entitled me first attitude I don't know what does.

[timtonymanu]

Would be more disappointing than 2011's upset. At least the 2011 Spurs flamed out way before the playoffs. This team actually had a higher ceiling and should have had motivation from last year's 7 game series loss. But other than Kawhi and Danny, the rest of the team is just playing like 2014 was enough for them.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Kawhi led teams have zero NBA titles

[spurraider21]

the bench has shit the bed this series so far more than anything...

- Mills averages 8.5 ppg, this series has scored 3, 5, 3, 4, 4 on 8-22 shooting
- Diaw and West have contributed virtually nothing outside of that one fluke lefty bank shot in game 3
- Manu has had 3 solid games, 2 invisible games, but hasn't had any "ditka" moments
- Anderson has been his usual passive self which is only exacerbated by OKC's aggressive defense, and he's been asked to guard Durant :lol...

unfortunately the bench is what it is, and there isn't much creativity available to pop. what's he supposed to do?

- Play boban? maybe, but that would be a desperation play. maybe it's time for a desperation play, however. theoretically, he can be physical with adams/kanter and not get pushed around like a child the way boris and west have, but Boban is pretty lost as a defender, and most of the time we're seeing West and Diaw asked to switch on pick n roll. How the hell does Boban fit into that scheme? His recovery to get back to his man in the paint would be disastrous too. The entire defensive gameplan (the defense has actually been solid, by the way) would have to be overhauled to accommodate for Boban, and there's not even a guarantee that he'd be better offensively than Duncan. Yes he's a garbage time superstar, but he also has the knack of bringing the ball down to his waist after catching it, and the Thunder players will furiously strip at it.

tl;dr, boban getting rotation minutes would be a hail mary play that throws our gameplan out the window


- Play Bonner? :lol... he'd probably put up more of a fight than Diaw on the boards, but he's a much worse pick and roll defender and is just as useless offensively given his slow release and inability to do anything with the ball if he's pressured

- Play Simmons? :lol... the most mistake prone player on a team that includes ginobili? no thanks. we've done a good job of containing OKC's offense and a big part of that is to limit transition where they're unstoppable. simmons' careless drives and turnovers would just lead to runouts, and it's not like he's a sound defender in the half court either. and who are you going to play him over? Green/Leonard? no. Anderson for limited stretches? maybe. But i dont think the games have been won and lost in anderson's 5-8 minutes per game this series

[SpursforSix]

Not having Manu with the testicle injury messed the bench up big time. They did not get their mojo back.

This bullshit series is really making me mad. I look and Durant and Westbrook and realize they are nothing but career long losers who cannot function without a huge FT advantage. MBall or ISO ball with continual bail outs is not fun to watch.
Yep. Whoever the eventual champion is, will have a big hairy, misshapen, asterisk by it.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi led teams have zero NBA titles

How hard is for Parker fans to admit that he sucked most season and Kawhi was ballin this year?

Judging for this guy-butt hut-posting...it's VERY hard.

[spurraider21]

How hard is for Parker fans to admit that he sucked most season and Kawhi was ballin this year?

Judging for this guy-butthut-posting...it's VERY hard.
you can rest assured that the anti-kawhi crowd is about 99% trolls. greatyacht, koolbob, etc

[KaiRMD1]

Spurs can pull off the wins in both games. Spurs missed a lot of easy shots and for the majority of the games, should have been up by twenty. You can't miss gimmes and when you do, you deserve to lose playoff series. Those easy shots need to go in, fuck the refs, they are never gonna be on our side but easy shots need to be made and missed opportunities cannot continue happening. Simple as that. I have faith in this dumb ass team

[Budkin]

Oh well, set for life after 5

[sook]

Spurs can pull off the wins in both games. Spurs missed a lot of easy shots and for the majority of the games, should have been up by twenty. You can't miss gimmes and when you do, you deserve to lose playoff series. Those easy shots need to go in, fuck the refs, they are never gonna be on our side but easy shots need to be made and missed opportunities cannot continue happening. Simple as that. I have faith in this dumb ass team

what do you see playing out in game 6 ol sport'?

[KaiRMD1]

what do you see playing out in game 6 ol sport'?

Hopefully not the same thing as 2012, old sport

[spursistan]

All things considered, it would easily be the most disappointing Duncan-era playoff exit, even worse than 2006..

They are not as good as their record, but it shouldn't be the freakin choke artists from OKC who prevent them from living up to their seed..

The 2nd worst 4th Quarter executing team in the league (after Philly) is sending them packing..Let that sink in :lol

[YGWHI]

you can rest assured that the anti-kawhi crowd is about 99% trolls. greatyacht, koolbob, etc

Well, it's not a casualty that most of those trolls are Parker fans.

Not Manu fans, or Danny/Boris/Patty/whoever...just Parker fans. I wonder why.

[sook]

Hopefully not the same thing as 2012, old sport

we'll get em :cry

[Kawhitstorm]

Play boban? maybe, but that would be a desperation play. maybe it's time for a desperation play, however. theoretically, he can be physical with adams/kanter and not get pushed around like a child the way boris and west have, but Boban is pretty lost as a defender, and most of the time we're seeing West and Diaw asked to switch on pick n roll. How the hell does Boban fit into that scheme?

Boban can't play if WB/KD are on the floor b/c they will pick & roll him to death. In any case, Pop HAS to change his ROTATION:
-Start LMA/West *Ibaka hangs out on the 3 point line D-Worst should be fine*
-Then replace West w/ Tim when Kanter comes off the bench *need both Tim/LMA to limit Adams/Kanter*
....basically, mix & match based on who OKC is playing rather than using a set rotation.


Play Simmons? :lol... the most mistake prone player on a team that includes ginobili? no thanks. we've done a good job of containing OKC's offense and a big part of that is to limit transition where they're unstoppable. simmons' careless drives and turnovers would just lead to runouts, and it's not like he's a sound defender in the half court either. and who are you going to play him over? Green/Leonard? no. Anderson for limited stretches? maybe. But i dont think the games have been won and lost in anderson's 5-8 minutes per game this series

I've no idea why K-Mart is getting burns over Patty. Give him a shot against Foye & see if he can knockdown a timely 3.

[phxspurfan]

Oh well, set for life after 5

True. Too bad we didn't get 6 to be better than kobe

[spurraider21]

Boban can't play if WB/KD are on the floor b/c they will pick & roll him to death. In any case, Pop HAS to change his ROTATION:
-Start LMA/West *Ibaka hangs out on the 3 point line D-Worst should be fine*
-Then replace West w/ Tim when Kanter comes off the bench *need both Tim/LMA to limit Adams/Kanter*
....basically, mix & match based on who OKC is playing rather than using a set rotation.



I've no idea why K-Mart is getting burns over Patty. Give him a shot against Foye & see if he can knockdown a timely 3.
even though patty is a poor ball-handling point guard, he's still a much better dribbler than martin. martin can only be on the floor if he's along side tp/patty/manu

i would like to see more manu/green/kawhi lineups

[Gummi Clutch]

even though patty is a poor ball-handling point guard, he's still a much better dribbler than martin. martin can only be on the floor if he's along side tp/patty/manu

i would like to see more manu/green/kawhi lineups
dumbass armenian takes :lol

[SAGirl]

even though patty is a poor ball-handling point guard, he's still a much better dribbler than martin. martin can only be on the floor if he's along side tp/patty/manu

i would like to see more manu/green/kawhi lineups
It might have been a good idea IMO to mix Kyle with Kawhi.As many steals or deflections as he generates could end up in layups for Kawhi bc he's a nice passer. They played very well together the few times they did in the season. It's probably a spacing issue.

Anyways, Kmart is a better cutter and shooter but he can't defend Durant. Kyle has been credibly good enough that you can spare him a few minutes on Durant if others are scoring, problem is that the bench isn't scoring. Patty is missing, Manu no ditka moments, d west and Diaw have been garbage. Danny is not going to save them when he plays with them but maybe he can hit a 3, keep them afloat. In that case play Kyle with Kawhi and the starters a few minutes or Kawhi with the bench and Kyle and Danny with the starters. Some tweaking could be done. It could be just 3 minutes.

[SAGirl]

even though patty is a poor ball-handling point guard, he's still a much better dribbler than martin. martin can only be on the floor if he's along side tp/patty/manu

i would like to see more manu/green/kawhi lineups
Martin scares me too. Turned he ball over at a 22% rate against the Grizz in garbage time against bad defense! Crazy bad and he tends to Chuck.

[UZER]

The fact that we are actually having the discussion that we are losing this series because a 40 year old Duncan, and a broke down 38 Manu can't pull their weight this series is just sad. :lol

A 40 y.o. has no business being your only savior in the post on D. It's not a knock on the legend TD is, it just speaks to how pop has continued to just ride these same old dudes and never develope anyone else. Thinking how you would be doing better in this series if Manu could just have a solid 8-10 point game is crazy.

How many years has pop left young fresh legs on the bench? Sure they make mistakes, but the have something you old guys don't have anymore and that's relentless hustle / energy. Sometimes that can change a series or even just a game. That's one thing Phil understood. Sometimes you have to get away from your playbook and try something that wasn't in the script because you need a lift. He didn't put players in the doghouse and bury them on the bench every time they were 3 ft out of position. He gave them the belief that they could come in and really help the team when called upon, even if it's was just for 5 minutes in a PO game.

Manu TP Duncan are the exception to the not playing young guys rule because in their prime, they were studs, just as Kawhi is now. You're gonna get have those anchor guys. But it's the other guys he hasn't developed for shit.

I'm mean Diaw old, west old, Duncan old, TP old, Manu old, etc., and those guys are still being relied on heavily to deliver in the POs. Pop has never trusted young guys in his career. His absolute fear of their mistakes make him overplay the old guys.

You have Duncan, TP, West, all well past their primes, in the game at the same time trying to compete in a must have game 5 at home of the playoffs with KD, WB, Canter, Adams, Waiters, all dudes under 30 running circles around them. he's had 82 guys to incorporate young legs into the rotation. Instead just he uses them as guys to eat minutes on back to backs to save his old guys. He's always continues to sign old vets, old vets, and more old vets.

I still believe they can pull off the series. But the odds are not in their favor, and they aren't gonna get younger overnight, so Kawhi and Aldrige need to be supermen out there.

[Kawhitstorm]

even though patty is a poor ball-handling point guard, he's still a much better dribbler than martin. martin can only be on the floor if he's along side tp/patty/manu

i would like to see more manu/green/kawhi lineups

K-Mart can play along side Manu when Pop trots out the stupid Diaw/West/Kyle/Manu/Patty lineup.

[spurraider21]

K-Mart can play along side Manu when Pop trots out the stupid Diaw/West/Kyle/Manu/Patty lineup.
yeah, like i said "alongside tp/patty/manu"

that's just so awful defensively, though

[Kawhitstorm]

Martin scares me too. Turned he ball over at a 22% rate against the Grizz in garbage time against bad defense! Crazy bad and he tends to Chuck.

Patty is shooting 22% so just camp K-Mart at the corner & use him as a spot up shooter like Randy Foye.

[99 Problems]

....life goes on.


Exactly. If we lost the series with a missed FT or bad call I'd be gutted but if these guys can beat us and clearly do it by looking just too good as they are at the moment, well I'm at ease with that. Simply if they close out and win a 3rd straight we have no business with GSW.