Who needs to go in the off season?

[Lerojo]

I say Mills, West, Anderson, Martin, Bonner,


Maybe Green and Parker too

[K...]

All the fake and emo fans

[mexicanjunior]

Duncan, Parker, Manu, Green, Diaw, Mills, West...

[Clipper Nation]

As long as the fat French watch salesman is still on the roster, Spurs aren't ringing again.

[RD2191]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

[timtonymanu]

Build around Kawhi/LMA/Danny. Tim and Manu retire. Don't care about the rest. They all need to leave.

[noles1983]

literally just kawhi and Aldridge should stay. the rest are pure shit

[look_at_g_shred]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

[HarlemHeat37]

-Can't move Aldridge, obviously, you're already committed

-You won't find better than what Danny Green gave in the playoffs for 10 mil/year with the new cap, probably not even close

- Parker should be moved with the way today's game is played(explosive PGs), but considering the Spurs won't even move Bonner, there's no way they'll move TP:lol

- Duncan and Manu will retire

- Spurs desperately need a backup PG that can penetrate, a 3rd wing that can play defense, another wing that can shoot, and 2 more competent bigs..a lot of holes..

[spursistan]

Diaw 0 minutes...that's telling..

[TheGoldStandard]

They need to blow up the whole thing and keep Kawhi and LMA and just reboot for 2 seasons. The team doesn't move the ball anymore and they don't have athleticism at all. They get torched and nobody has heart.

[Brian Windhorst]

Parker and Diaw, next question

[Chinook]

Those with options or expirings should go. Diaw should probably go unless you just don't need the cap space. I don't think you can move both Mills and Parker, but obviously you can't have both out there.

[slick'81]

Stuck with parkers deal and why would manu come back for vet min?if manu and Duncan are out spurs need pau up front

[tholdren]

I would put everyone up for grabs tbh. LMA can't win without a team that drives. KL can't win without a traditional big. Danny shouldn't be in the NBA. Tony is done. Manu and Tim should retire. Bonner, why did SA keep him again?

Simmons may be the only "keeper" on the team along with Boban.

Its what Ive said since 2014 - SPURS CANT SCORE. Terribly assembled PLAYOFF team. Fine Regular season team who over achieved.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would put everyone up for grabs tbh. LMA can't win without a team that drives. KL can't win without a traditional big. Danny shouldn't be in the NBA. Tony is done. Manu and Tim should retire. Bonner, why did SA keep him again?

Simmons may be the only "keeper" on the team along with Boban.

Its what Ive said since 2014 - SPURS CANT SCORE. Terribly assembled PLAYOFF team. Fine Regular season team who over achieved.

You said the Spurs couldn't win in 2014, too:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

The turd trio:

Popozit, Fat head, Ginger

[tholdren]

You said the Spurs couldn't win in 2014, too:lol
you thought KL could carry a team.... (place gay emoji here)

[HarlemHeat37]

you thought KL could carry a team.... (place gay emoji here)

I've never said Kawhi should be the #1 offensive option on a team:lol..I said he could be the best overall player, which I still believe..

[Texas_Ranger]

Kawhi, LMA and Tim can stay. Everyone else can fuck off.

[tholdren]

I've never said Kawhi should be the #1 offensive option on a team:lol..I said he could be the best overall player, which I still believe..
You're wrong.

[urunobili]

Diaw, Manu, Martin, Bonner

[DeRozan m8]

Anderson can get the fuck out. As of tonight. Don't even fly back to SA, just never fucking go back.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

[loveforthegame]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

[HarlemHeat37]

The biggest hole is the lack of a penetrating/explosive PG, tbh..somebody that can help the Spurs divert from the ugly 90s/ISO-offense + get open shots for the shooters(hopefully they add more shooters)..

As Chinook said, you can't have both Mills and Parker on the team again, next year..obviously Parker isn't going anywhere, so they really need to get a real backup PG..

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Diaw Martin Miller and bonner

[tholdren]

The biggest hole is the lack of a penetrating/explosive PG, tbh..somebody that can help the Spurs divert from the ugly 90s/ISO-offense + get open shots for the shooters(hopefully they add more shooters)..

As Chinook said, you can't have both Mills and Parker on the team again, next year..obviously Parker isn't going anywhere, so they really need to get a real backup PG..

LOL fuck off. They need the high usage player that KL is to be able to dribble the fucking ball.

[tholdren]

Gregg is the Jeff Fisher of the NBA.

[ceperez]

The ISO offense is just not explosive enough to pad a large lead.

The bigs like West, Diaw and Aldridge not taking 3 point shots is also a problem. Look what Cleveland is doing with Love and Frye. Look what OKC does with Kanter and Ibaka.

Sigh... been saying this all year. You can't win by clogging the paint with bigs that aren't even bigger than the opponents bigs.

[K...]

Anderson can get the fuck out. As of tonight. Don't even fly back to SA, just never fucking go back.

i understand you are mad. But he'll stay. He was asked to do the impossible this series. He's a bench leader but our bench sucks so he was exsposed. He's got time to develop his shots and he's the most promising poor mans' manu.

[Keepin' it real]

who needs to go in the off-season?

99% of the losers on spurstalk. You know who you are.

[K...]

we could get rid of PArker, but it's easier to trade mills and green. He's pretty good insurance. He can teach a new PG. I would draft or take a young prospect, hope they can outplay parker by the playoffs.

Bigger factor should be a true center. Even if duncan comes back.

[DMC]

Stand pat tbh. 67 wins is 67 wins.

[cascaders]

west, diaw, DEF MUST GO.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Spurs should see what they can get for lame. Maybe they could get somebody like Embiid or Griffin. Go young project or get a real playoff performer.

[td4mvp2k]

Anderson can get the fuck out. As of tonight. Don't even fly back to SA, just never fucking go back.

:tu

[r0drig0lac]

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[Chinook]

The biggest hole is the lack of a penetrating/explosive PG, tbh..somebody that can help the Spurs divert from the ugly 90s/ISO-offense + get open shots for the shooters(hopefully they add more shooters)..

As Chinook said, you can't have both Mills and Parker on the team again, next year..obviously Parker isn't going anywhere, so they really need to get a real backup PG..

Spurs aren't getting away from iso offense so long as Leonard and LMA take their shots. May as well double down with Clarkson, who can at least get to the rim and has built-in counter moves in case teams overplay the drive. Biggest issue is going to be finding a big who can play next to LMA. Right now, Aldridge is the only big I project to return, and with the limited cap space (after getting Clarkson or another guard), it's going to be hard to round out that rotation. Team also needs to worry about fit in addition to general quality, as they should have learned by now that a center doesn't work very well. Yet they also JUST got exposed for being undersized.

If you move Parker and Diaw while letting the option-year guys and the FAs go, you have $34 Million. Clarkson's max is at like $15 Million, so you have $19 Million (minus a million or two to sign picks). Could get nut-busting Anderson for that much, but I would want someone younger and longer-term if I'm going through that upheaval. Sullinger is my guy for a young big, and if he doesn't work out Amir and Gasol would also be nice.

[razor247]

Diaw, Anderson,KMart,Miller,Bonner,Parker,Manu,Mills.... .all of these guys just can't hit shots consistantly

[r0drig0lac]

Anderson can get the fuck out. As of tonight. Don't even fly back to SA, just never fucking go back.

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[afireinside20]

I say Mills, West, Anderson, Martin, Bonner,


Maybe Green and Parker too

I actually like Martin, i would like for the Spurs to keep him. But guys like Diaw, Anderson, Bonner, and even Mills need to go. Including if Tim and Manu retire, and Parker sits his ass on the bench cuz he can't be a starter anymore. We need a new starting pg, an athletic defensive big, a decent back up for Kawhi, and hell, maybe even a new starting SG. A shooting guard that can slash and shoot.

[Chinook]

Fuck no to Martin. Probably the Spur I've most wanted off the team since Jefferson.

[spurspokesman]

Diaw, mills, manu, tim. Get a new starting point guard and have parker come off the bench, he is done as a starting point imo. Then go get some athleticism and shooting on the wing.Oh Pau gasol would really fit well in a spurs uniform.

[FutureMan]

How does diaw's contract work? It really is weird that he didn't play at all..

[313]

The biggest hole is the lack of a penetrating/explosive PG, tbh..somebody that can help the Spurs divert from the ugly 90s/ISO-offense + get open shots for the shooters(hopefully they add more shooters)..

As Chinook said, you can't have both Mills and Parker on the team again, next year..obviously Parker isn't going anywhere, so they really need to get a real backup PG..Ideally, we move Mills and Parker retires. The best we can realistically hope for is Mills gets moved, Parker moves to the bench, and we draft sign a decent starting point guard that can either shoot and play d(or not be a liability), or penetrate and play d(or not be a liability).

[therealtruth]

Kawhi's got to develop as a playmaker. They've got to be able to put the ball in his hands in closing time and have him get a basket, foul, or assist.

[K...]

How does diaw's contract work? It really is weird that he didn't play at all..

partially guarteed. He will be traded or waived.

[FutureMan]

Does the partial go against us though cap wise? I was trying to figure that part out bc I guess 3 million is guaranteed

[spurtech09]

Bonner patty Anderson West Diaw

[EIC]

I'd honestly say nobody, but we're in too deep on Leonard and Aldridge. Other than them, everything is expendable, IMO.*


*There will always be room on the roster if Manu and Timmy want to hang out and come off the bench for minimal money.

[skut_farkus]

Maybe trade aldridge for melo or al jefferson?

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs aren't getting away from iso offense so long as Leonard and LMA take their shots. May as well double down with Clarkson, who can at least get to the rim and has built-in counter moves in case teams overplay the drive. Biggest issue is going to be finding a big who can play next to LMA. Right now, Aldridge is the only big I project to return, and with the limited cap space (after getting Clarkson or another guard), it's going to be hard to round out that rotation. Team also needs to worry about fit in addition to general quality, as they should have learned by now that a center doesn't work very well. Yet they also JUST got exposed for being undersized.

If you move Parker and Diaw while letting the option-year guys and the FAs go, you have $34 Million. Clarkson's max is at like $15 Million, so you have $19 Million (minus a million or two to sign picks). Could get nut-busting Anderson for that much, but I would want someone younger and longer-term if I'm going through that upheaval. Sullinger is my guy for a young big, and if he doesn't work out Amir and Gasol would also be nice.

It doesn't have to be a starting PG, though, nor does he have to play exclusively with Aldridge/Kawhi(I agree that it would be difficult to deviate from the current style)..the bench unit in this series was worse than the starters, they were outplayed by one of the worst benches in the NBA:lol..

The bench is lacking a playmaking/penetrating guard that can play Manu's former role..Mills is essentially useless without Manu playing at a high level..the contrast in the regular season between the style of the starters vs. bench may have been sufficient if the bench could have sustained their RS performance from November-January..

[Harry Callahan]

Diaw 0 minutes...that's telling..

Yup.

[Random5843]

POP The frenchs, Bonner, West, Martin and POP. If I only had to pick one: POP

[TheyCallMePro]

Everyone who doesn't shoot mid-ranged jump shots.

Because that's who we are right now.

[Das Texan]

Green
LMA
Kawhi

Those are your building blocks.

Timmy returning is up to him, you let him play as long as he wants.

Parker will probably return, I guess.

I thought Kyle Anderson improved tons this past season.

Jonathan Simmons and Boban could be useful bench pieces.

The rest, whatever.

[gambit1990]

who i want: kawhi, la, td, manu (but i don't want him signing and/or playing until the all star break)

who i want but would be willing to give up: simmons (i want him but wouldn't say he's untouchable if the price was right), green, patty. would take west back but i do not want him playing center

indifferent about: miller (big fan but he's not getting younger), boban (his size is blessing and a curse... he gets blown by easily... not convinced he can contribute against elite teams), anderson

who i don't want back: "mvparker" according to some you :lol, diaw (done with his ebbs and flows tbh), k mart, bonner

[UZER]

The ISO offense is just not explosive enough to pad a large lead.

The bigs like West, Diaw and Aldridge not taking 3 point shots is also a problem. Look what Cleveland is doing with Love and Frye. Look what OKC does with Kanter and Ibaka.

Sigh... been saying this all year. You can't win by clogging the paint with bigs that aren't even bigger than the opponents bigs.

Coach Lue has the balls to put Channing Frye in in the playoffs, and look what happens.

[cjw]

The ISO offense is just not explosive enough to pad a large lead.

The bigs like West, Diaw and Aldridge not taking 3 point shots is also a problem. Look what Cleveland is doing with Love and Frye. Look what OKC does with Kanter and Ibaka.

Sigh... been saying this all year. You can't win by clogging the paint with bigs that aren't even bigger than the opponents bigs.

I was expecting Aldridge to extend his range all season but it never happened. Maybe with another offseason with Chip. His spacing wasn't the problem - just that 3s at a 33% clip are as good as 2s at 50%.

Diaw was leaving all his shots short and West's range left a lot to be desired though he hit one in garbage time. They were like Roberson from that range.

And LOL to those who think Parker's retiring.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Trade - Parker, Mills, Diaw, Anderson, (Possibly Danny Green if we can get a good wing defender who can make a damn basket 'OR' Danny gets glasses and starts practicing his shot for 18 hours a day like Kawhi, Curry, Thompson, Durant and Westbrook do)

Retire - Duncan, Ginobilli, Bonner, West, Miller (Hate like hell for Tim to leave like this - ***Would love to see him play 1 more season***)

Keep as work in progress - Boban, Simmons (we need athleticism and speed and he does have an upside to him)

Keep for sure - Kawhi, LaMarcus

Not sure - Kevin Martin

This Spurs team is too old and way too slow and pretty much NON-athletic outside Kawhi and Simmons. I know Pop and RC won't go to this extreme but, damnit, one can hope!

Warriors 4-1 vs. Thunder
Warriors in 7 vs. Cavs

[Ditty]

Who I want back: Duncan, Aldridge, Leonard, Green, Boban, Simmons

Who I think will be back: Duncan, Aldridge, Leonard, Green, Parker, Boban, Anderson, Simmons, West

[SouthernFried]

Keep Kawhi.

Nothing will change with PARKER leading the team as PG. Until he is gone, this is our immediate future.

[tbdog]

Green
LMA
Kawhi

Those are your building blocks.

Timmy returning is up to him, you let him play as long as he wants.

Parker will probably return, I guess.

I thought Kyle Anderson improved tons this past season.

Jonathan Simmons and Boban could be useful bench pieces.

The rest, whatever.

I agree. But I'll add that if Manu retires (highly likely) the chances of trading Parker increases as the big 3 would have officially come to an end with Manu retirement. If that is the case, you always look for 8 playoff rotational players, and 2 specialists.

So, lets say Timmy comes back.

Green
Leonard
LMA
TD

Anderson and Simmons because they are dirt cheap.

So it is a no brainer the rumour leaked to target Conley as it is a position of need. Paul Gasol has had a rumour to join us as well. With this series loss, we can pretty much scrap out Durant.

If the Spurs get P Gasol, keep TD and Bobon, the center position is set. I would love to have Courtney Lee, Batum (too expensive). If we cant get Gasol or lose TD, then you kinda need to look at Noah who would work so well with LMA and Leonard/Green defense. The PF position is really lacking for the LMA center strategy, Ilyasova maybe? If the Spurs are going to embrace the small ball, switching era, then Noah, Batum, and Lee would be my targets, and try and trade Parker/Diaw for Teague or something to run the show.

[HarlemHeat37]

I was expecting Aldridge to extend his range all season but it never happened. Maybe with another offseason with Chip. His spacing wasn't the problem - just that 3s at a 33% clip are as good as 2s at 50%.

Diaw was leaving all his shots short and West's range left a lot to be desired though he hit one in garbage time. They were like Roberson from that range.

And LOL to those who think Parker's retiring.

Aldridge has said he expects to transition into more of a 3-point shooter, tbh..I thought this would be the year, I expected 100+ 3-attempts, but Pop opted to go the "counter-Warriors" route..hopefully he becomes more of a stretch big, next year, especially if the Spurs don't add shooters..

[cjw]

You're not signing Batum after dumping Parker/Diaw.

Pau or Noah is wishful thinking at this point, as are all of those PGs. If only one of those other Eurostash picks that the Spurs kept had panned out, it would mean a better set to pick from that you don't have to compete for.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Off - Boris, West, Miller, Martin, Bonner, possibly Duncan and Manu through retirement.

Keep - Kawhi, LMA, Danny, Parker ( if he can't be traded, unlikely ), Mills, Anderson, Simmons ( unless they draft a more talented wing ), Boban ( if cheap-ish ).

If they can't go for a big fish - they desperately need a 3rd scorer, then I'd prefer them going after players on short term contracts to preserve a max slot for 2017 - Gasol, Amir Johnson, etc types. Obviously trading Parker, if possible, would be the biggest catalyst for more major moves, but it's unlikely. Give the ball to Kawhi and let him create more.

[Kawhitstorm]

- Parker should be moved with the way today's game is played(explosive PGs), but considering the Spurs won't even move Bonner, there's no way they'll move TP:lol

This is a given unless he's ready to retire & he gets used as a trading chip like Bowen.


Spurs desperately need a backup PG that can penetrate, a 3rd wing that can play defense, another wing that can shoot, and 2 more competent bigs..a lot of holes..

I'm pretty sure Pop is done w/ Diaw ala Malik Rose & he has a decline contracts that's also partially guaranteed so maybe Bud will do Pop another favor: Diaw/Patty for Teague:wow

-3rd wing: Courtney Lee
-Shooter: Mayo
-Bigs: Pau/Mozgov

[Robz4000]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

[Kawhitstorm]

Aldridge has said he expects to transition into more of a 3-point shooter, tbh..I thought this would be the year, I expected 100+ 3-attempts, but Pop opted to go the "counter-Warriors" route..hopefully he becomes more of a stretch big, next year, especially if the Spurs don't add shooters..

I expect Pop to learn from this series just like Riley did after the 2011 Finals: Can't run ISOLATION OFFENSE in 2016 w/o a stretch 5.

[Sean Cagney]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

^^^^^^ This. Green actually showed up this series OP.


Tony will be there too since he is not getting traded.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Build around Kawhi/LMA/Danny. Tim and Manu retire. Don't care about the rest. They all need to leave.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm pretty sure Pop is done w/ Diaw ala Malik Rose & he has a decline contracts that's also partially guaranteed so maybe Bud will do Pop another favor: Diaw/Patty for Teague:wow

-3rd wing: Courtney Lee
-Shooter: Mayo
-Bigs: Pau/Mozgov

I don't think that'll be a huge favor tbh. Teague has one yr left and they want to increase Schroders role. Getting Mills and Diaw who can strengthen ATLs crappy bench could be enough for ATL to part w/ Teague.

[Kuestmaster]

I'm hoping Timmy will come back for one more season. The Last Ride. He was damn good defensively until his knee injury.

Manu is going to retire. He looked done.

I would rebuild with Aldridge, Leonard and Green. Everyone else is replaceable or tradeable. Except Timmy of course.

[james evans]

We just got to find a way to get rid of parker. I don't know how, but I've been waiting for that day. It just has to happen.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't think that'll be a huge favor tbh. Teague has one yr left and they want to increase Schroders role. Getting Mills and Diaw who can strengthen ATLs crappy bench could be enough for ATL to part w/ Teague.

Diaw/Patty fit Buds system but I think they turned down a G.Hill for Teague swap

[HI-FI]

Keep Kawhi.

Nothing will change with PARKER leading the team as PG. Until he is gone, this is our immediate future.
I just think as long as Pop is here, Parker isn't going anywhere, regardless of how shitty he gets in the playoffs.

I'm hoping Timmy will come back for one more season. The Last Ride. He was damn good defensively until his knee injury.

Manu is going to retire. He looked done.

I would rebuild with Aldridge, Leonard and Green. Everyone else is replaceable or tradeable. Except Timmy of course.
Pretty much how I feel.

[Mnky]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

Although I wouldn't mind Boban again.

[timtonymanu]

Kevin Martin was pretty fucking awful, :lol @ coachmac87. I can't believe anyone would want him back. Easily the worst player on the roster and that's saying a lot when Bonner/Miller/Simmons are on the roster.

[DeRozan m8]

Kmart is aids for sure.
Gave him a chance, he sucked, you just can't trust him and he's shots badly off way too often...not good when you're basically nothing but a scorer lol

[SAGirl]

Green
LMA
Kawhi

Those are your building blocks.

Timmy returning is up to him, you let him play as long as he wants.

Parker will probably return, I guess.

I thought Kyle Anderson improved tons this past season.

Jonathan Simmons and Boban could be useful bench pieces.

The rest, whatever.
Agree with you. Basically keep the younger guys we have. Find guys to put around them, but stay away from TOSB specially considering that a completely new team will likely not peak until their second season together. Timmy and Manu retire. It is time. All the old vets who are role players should be gone though who knows with Pop. They were too old to hang with even the Grizzlies at times.

[Kikoluna]

Kevin Martin was pretty fucking awful, :lol @ coachmac87. I can't believe anyone would want him back. Easily the worst player on the roster and that's saying a lot when Bonner/Miller/Simmons are on the roster.

No my friend, Kyle is hands down the loser. Hell, I can probably outrun the guy

[Snaq O'Meal]

No my friend, Kyle is hands down the loser. Hell, I can probably outrun the guy

Even Tim with bad knees and all thought he could outrun Kyle!

[timtonymanu]

Diaw 0 minutes...that's telling..

Fairly certain Diaw/Patty are getting traded. Like Harlem said, the Spurs aren't trading Parker unfortunately so Patty will be the one on the way out since he looked mediocre this year anyways.

[Down Under]

-Can't move Aldridge, obviously, you're already committed

-You won't find better than what Danny Green gave in the playoffs for 10 mil/year with the new cap, probably not even close

- Parker should be moved with the way today's game is played(explosive PGs), but considering the Spurs won't even move Bonner, there's no way they'll move TP:lol

- Duncan and Manu will retire

- Spurs desperately need a backup PG that can penetrate, a 3rd wing that can play defense, another wing that can shoot, and 2 more competent bigs..a lot of holes..
You can cover one those wings by just play DG more minutes

[tbdog]

You can cover one those wings by just play DG more minutes

Green was so inconsistent offensively, it is hard to play him more minutes. He shot bad man. If he shot 2014 style, then yeah you can.

[99 Problems]

Diaw/Patty fit Buds system but I think they turned down a G.Hill for Teague swap


Bud might have players lost in F/A which could see something like this come alive.

[random21]

Everyone but Kawhi, LMA, and Green.

[Snaq O'Meal]

TBH, the Spurs' biggest need is in the coaching department. If Pop stubbornly refuses to go, then the following crucial changes need to happen:
1. Infusion of new ideas from someone who actually understands adjustments; and
2. Pop getting over himself.

[coachmac87]

Kevin Martin was pretty fucking awful, :lol @ coachmac87. I can't believe anyone would want him back. Easily the worst player on the roster and that's saying a lot when Bonner/Miller/Simmons are on the roster.

Ok I'm not the player fan of Kevin Martin. I was only saying he was a better basketbsp player than Rasual Butler lol

[gambit1990]

who i want: kawhi, la, td, manu (but i don't want him signing and/or playing until the all star break)

who i want but would be willing to give up: simmons (i want him but wouldn't say he's untouchable if the price was right), green, patty. would take west back but i do not want him playing center

indifferent about: miller (big fan but he's not getting younger), boban (his size is blessing and a curse... he gets blown by easily... not convinced he can contribute against elite teams), anderson

who i don't want back: "mvparker" according to some you :lol, diaw (done with his ebbs and flows tbh), k mart, bonner

who i wanted back and is a part of the team: manu, simmons, green, patty
who i didn't want back and is a part of the team: parker

is the bonner era over?

[BackHome]

Ok I'm not the player fan of Kevin Martin. I was only saying he was a better basketbsp player than Rasual Butler lol
Yeah right Martin Sucked at least Butler got us some rebounds and block shot

Martin he sucked
Miller to old coach maybe
Bonner has been done for years office job