Report: Spurs expected to make run at Mike Conley in free agency

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Report: Spurs expected to make run at Mike Conley in free agency
Chris WalderMay 12 2016, 10:14 PM
Kevin Durant isn't the only free-agent gem the San Antonio Spurs have their eyes on, as it appears the franchise will also make a run at current Memphis Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley this summer, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.

The 28-year-old floor general missed the last 20 games of the regular season for the 42-40 Grizzlies with tendinitis in his left Achilles, as well as all four of their playoff games against the San Antonio Spurs in the opening round.

Despite his problematic 2015-16 campaign, Conley is still considered to be the top prize for teams looking to acquire some help at the point guard position. He's never been an All-Star during his nine years in the league, although his numbers during that span have consistently warranted strong consideration for a Grizzlies team which is always in the thick of things in the Western Conference playoff picture.

Memphis management has expressed confidence in its ability to keep Conley with the organization. However, the Ohio State alumnus wants to see the Grizzlies make moves to vault back into title contention before reaching a verdict on his future.

Conley averaged 15.3 points on 42.2 percent shooting, 6.1 assists, 2.9 rebounds, and 1.2 steals with a player efficiency rating of 19.4 in 56 games this season - numbers which are all on par with what he's produced in Memphis throughout his career.

Should he sign elsewhere, Conley will end his tenure with the Grizzlies as the franchise leader in games played (637), assists (3,578), and steals (963). He also ranks second in total points (8,635) behind Pau Gasol (8,966).

The Spurs were bounced from the postseason on Thursday in a 113-99 loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

[DarrinS]

Thank God

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs can sign him and move Parker for anything remotely useful they might be able to get the 4-seed.

[lefty]

Saw the title, I thought it was a troll job :lol

:cry yes please

[Ron Swanson]

Please make this happen.

[HarlemHeat37]

Good player, but too risky IMO..

[tholdren]

I posted this weeks ago and how great of a fit he would be. Since got pinked by some dumb fuck

[DPG21920]

NOPE. DO NOT want. You don't need a big money PG. Especially one that isn't that great at anything.

[ViceCity86]

Lukewarm

[CGD]

Now this is a more realistic target than KD

[Mugen]

If the Spurs can sign him and move Parker for anything remotely useful they might be able to get the 4-seed.

The West is shit outside of Golden State next year tbh....especially after the Thunder gets pounded in the WCF and Durant leaves......

They trade away Porky and I could see them breaking the Dubs' 73 tho tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

Good player, but too risky IMO..

Riskier than keeping Parker?

[Mugen]

NOPE. DO NOT want. You don't need a big money PG. Especially one that isn't that great at anything.

We probably have the worst "big money PG" in the league tbh :lol

[james evans]

we need something. I've been calling for parker's head since 2009 and I wasn't even a member of this site then.

[look_at_g_shred]

Well duh of course..why wouldn't they?

[DPG21920]

Riskier than keeping Parker?

You think TP is realistically traded? No. Even if he could be, what value do you think you will get for him if even Spurs fans "know" he's done?

[MI21]

Spur Fan loves Conley, I don't really know why tbh

[tholdren]

We probably have the worst "big money PG" in the league tbh :lol
Yes - trade tp and pick up Conley no brainer upgrade for same money.

[spurtech09]

Spurs need a new PG but I don't think Conley will end up as a Spur but you never know.

[HarlemHeat37]

Riskier than keeping Parker?

You don't have to break the bank to upgrade at PG, tbh..it's bad enough they've already committed big money to MeloAldridge(even with the cap rising, making his contract friendlier), I don't think I want to see them pay big $ to a 28-year old defense-first PG that has shown signs of breaking down, physically, and probably won't age well..

Also, if tholdren likes it, it's probably a bad idea:lol

[DPG21920]

We probably have the worst "big money PG" in the league tbh :lol

Not true, but he had the contract when he was playing great. Swapping out TP for Conley improves the team some, but now you have a bigger contract for a guy who's not a true needle mover.

You can't spend more money on that PG position. What value does TP have in a trade and that's if SA is even willing to trade him. Makes no sense at all IMO.

[da_suns_fan]

If the Spurs can sign him and move Parker for anything remotely useful they might be able to get the 4-seed.

He's owed 30 MILLION over the next two years and point guard is the easiest position to fill.

[NASpurs]

How much would it cost to get Jordan Clarkson?

[K...]

if he's cheap and durant or someone else comes, it could work. But he's another beta. If KAwhi lma are gonna kick up a notch then fine. But color me skeptical. Get a young guy.

I think we blow this team up in 2-3 years. We should shoot for that.

[UZER]

Spur Fan loves Conley, I don't really know why tbh

Pop loves Parker and his playoff disappearing act. I don't know why.

[elemento]

I'm not sure about the idea of giving this guy a 100m contract. He is better than Parker, but not worth the 70m difference.

[baseline bum]

Spur Fan loves Conley, I don't really know why tbh

It's like when your wife lets everything go and the chubby waitress starts looking good.

[baseline bum]

Also, if tholdren likes it, it's probably a bad idea:lol

You got me there man :lol

[Janko]

we need RW

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

PASS Fuck Conley.

Its superstar or bust for this team

[Holden_Caulfield]

well that was fast

[palangi]

I'd like to see us get Jordan clarkson. He is a big long combo guard that has PG experience. But he'll be something defensively we have had before. He is a good ball handler and scorer to.

[midnightpulp]

Team doesn't need more defense...Christ.

We need a ballsy athlete who can actually take the fuckin' ball to rack, draw fouls, and who's relatively young. Simmons is near his athletic prime, so by the time he develops, he'll be like 30.

I like Clarkson, but I fear the damage has already been done to his development playing for the worst franchise in the NBA. He probably has too many bad habits to unlearn.

[DPG21920]

While it's possible to trade TP, I don't think the franchise does that unless it's for a no brainer superstar or lottery pick (neither likely). If that's the case, I would rather SA swing a trade for a better back up PG or sign an upside/risk/reward guy to audition.

Then spend their FA money on more depth.

[baseline bum]

We need a ballsy athlete who can actually take the fuckin' ball to rack, draw fouls, and who's relatively young.

Westbrook isn't a FA until 2017

[RD2191]

Pushing 30 and is a good player on both sides of the ball. But we need better than just good imo. Either a great defender or a great scorer and distributor.

[ducks]

Keep tp and start Conley
Bring tp Duncana Manu off bench lol

[ElNono]

I just think we're going to strike out in the Durant pipe dream, then the pool gets narrower and narrower, and that's when Conley looks like a good pickup...

[Chinook]

How much would it cost to get Jordan Clarkson?

It'd cost about $56M/4 to max him out. The main reason why I want to go for him so badly is that that is ubercheap compared to what guys like Conley will get.

[Chinook]

I just think we're going to strike out in the Durant pipe dream, then the pool gets narrower and narrower, and that's when Conley looks like a good pickup...

Conley only works in a world where you move on from Parker. Like if the Spurs trade Green to make room for KD, then Conley's an awful consolation prize.

[gilmor]

haha u guys will bitching bout conley heroballing..

[palangi]

Team doesn't need more defense...Christ.

We need a ballsy athlete who can actually take the fuckin' ball to rack, draw fouls, and who's relatively young. Simmons is near his athletic prime, so by the time he develops, he'll be like 30.

I like Clarkson, but I fear the damage has already been done to his development playing for the worst franchise in the NBA. He probably has too many bad habits to unlearn.
You need defense against a PG like Westbrook.

[NASpurs]

It'd cost about $56M/4 to max him out. The main reason why I want to go for him so badly is that that is ubercheap compared to what guys like Conley will get.That's why I mentioned him because he's intriguing and you had put that thought in my head. I'm all up for it if that's what Clarkson would get maxed out. Makes a lot of sense too to get someone like him on the team, someone athletic and that can score the ball while not being a liability on defense plus super young with San Antonio connections. Just makes too much sense.

[ElNono]

Conley only works in a world where you move on from Parker. Like if the Spurs trade Green to make room for KD, then Conley's an awful consolation prize.

I don't think the Spurs jettison anybody unless they get the feeling they're actually in the race... and I don't think that race is going to be long with KD, at least for the Spurs...

Parker should come in from the bench. It's an expensive bench player, but we had that before.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not true, but he had the contract when he was playing great. Swapping out TP for Conley improves the team some, but now you have a bigger contract for a guy who's not a true needle mover.

You can't spend more money on that PG position. What value does TP have in a trade and that's if SA is even willing to trade him. Makes no sense at all IMO.

No one will want to touch Tony for 30 mil over next 2 years. And the ones that will consider it, likely won't offer anything Spurs would like. And this is IF Spurs consider trading him (which is less than 10%?) -- Sa loyal to big 3.

Another option is Jeff Teague. Mills/Diaw for Teague and small filler helps both teams IMO.

[objective]

Conley and his breaking down body are better than Parker, but not enough to justify the max

Dumping Parker and signing Lin would be nearly as effective and cheaper

[sasaint]

It'd cost about $56M/4 to max him out. The main reason why I want to go for him so badly is that that is ubercheap compared to what guys like Conley will get.

Yes! I was advocating a trade for Clarkson back before the trade deadline.

[Chinook]

That's why I mentioned him because he's intriguing and you had put that thought in my head. I'm all up for it if that's what Clarkson would get maxed out. Makes a lot of sense too to get someone like him on the team, someone athletic and that can score the ball while not being a liability on defense plus super young with San Antonio connections. Just makes too much sense.

Yeah, if the team does have to transition to a post-BIG 3 world, having the third "star" being a native of the area is a good way to keep butts in seats. As an Austinite, I couldn't care less about the SA connection, but I do realize it's a factor. I have heard people compare him to a younger version of this season's DeRozan. He's not a great shooter, but he can drive, get fouled and make good passes. That's pretty much what Parker used to do, so I doubt the Spurs would even have to change their offense.

[koriwhat]

How much would it cost to get Jordan Clarkson?

!

[SASdynasty!]

We really want a guy who Parker destroyed on the regular in the playoffs? Let's get someone young and develop them.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Healthy Conley = we don't lose to OKC

[Chinook]

I don't think the Spurs jettison anybody unless they get the feeling they're actually in the race... and I don't think that race is going to be long with KD, at least for the Spurs...

Parker should come in from the bench. It's an expensive bench player, but we had that before.

I think after this series, KD would be interested in being a Spur. For all the talk about him going to a team he just beat, no one besides GS who will ask after him will be better than OKC. SA makes more sense than Boston for the money. I don't think the team will ask after Durant, but if they do, I think they'll be in the top three.

[SASdynasty!]

Spurs aren't getting rid of Parker ya dorks. How long have you guys been watching the Spurs? We don't screw over our legends.

[Darius Bieber]

Here's to 100+ pages

[midnightpulp]

You need defense against a PG like Westbrook.

The Spurs held Westbrook to sub-40% shooting over the series.

[SASdynasty!]

Healthy Conley = we don't lose to OKC
Of course. Conley, a proven winner, lol.

[palangi]

No one will want to touch Tony for 30 mil over next 2 years. And the ones that will consider it, likely won't offer anything Spurs would like. And this is IF Spurs consider trading him (which is less than 10%?) -- Sa loyal to big 3.

Another option is Jeff Teague. Mills/Diaw for Teague and small filler helps both teams IMO.
one team that might be willing is the 76ers? They need a vet leader. They don't have an established PG. and Tony can fill both spots for the and coach brown. They might end up with 5 first round picks but 3 for sure. They are a very young team that could use a veteran leader for 2 years to help build the Spurs of the east. And they have have money to spend.

[ElNono]

I think after this series, KD would be interested in being a Spur. For all the talk about him going to a team he just beat, no one besides GS who will ask after him will be better than OKC. SA makes more sense than Boston for the money. I don't think the team will ask after Durant, but if they do, I think they'll be in the top three.

I think he re-ups with OKC... would be surprised if it even takes very long...

[MaNu4Tres]

Conley and his breaking down body are better than Parker, but not enough to justify the max

Dumping Parker and signing Lin would be nearly as effective and cheaper

I don't think there's a way to dump Parker, tbh. Likely will have to ride out next 2 years.

Wouldn't mind a Jeff Teague for Mills/Diaw trade.

[SASdynasty!]

The Spurs held Westbrook to sub-40% shooting over the series.
Yah Westbrook was NOT the reason OKC won this series. If anything he kept it closer than it should have been considering he massive free throw disparity.

[Ron Swanson]

Here's to 100+ pages

Wait until TSpence shows up.

[Chinook]

Parker wouldn't be hard to trade. There are teams like SAC and MKE that would take him in a heartbeat.

[sexinthatsx]

Pre-injury I would have said yes. But post injury it's way too risky. I actually think Spurs should try and make a trade for Isaiah Thomas of the Celts. I think his game would fit in with the Spurs pretty well.

[Russ]

Parker wouldn't be hard to trade. There are teams like SAC and MKE that would take him in a heartbeat.

Tony Parker deserves to not be traded unless he asks for it (and he won't).

[RD2191]

Tbh Durant should stay with OKC. Better for the NBA imo. He'll ring sooner than later imo. This is the weakest the nba has been in a while and with the spurs going into rebuild mode the only real competition okc will have for a couple of years is the dubs.

[Harry Callahan]

Mike Conley is already over the hill at 28 and he can't stay healthy. No thanks.

The Spurs need someone that is 20 years old with speed and quickness. Not a broken down guy line Conley. He won't stay healthy.

In my opinion, the difference between him and Parker is not worth the money.

[NASpurs]

Tbh Durant should stay with OKC. Better for the NBA imo. He'll ring sooner than later imo. This is the weakest the nba has been in a while and with the spurs going into rebuild mode the only real competition okc will have for a couple of years is the dubs.Yeah too bad the Warriors exist and most of them are about Durant's age or younger. He's not going to win anything with the way OKC is currently constructed. He'll learn that the hard way in a few days.

[Harry Callahan]

I'd like to see us get Jordan clarkson. He is a big long combo guard that has PG experience. But he'll be something defensively we have had before. He is a good ball handler and scorer to.

He is under contract to the Lakers. Next.

[Mnky]

I think he re-ups with OKC... would be surprised if it even takes very long...

I think the GS series will be telling for him. I believe they have a chance to put up a good fight. If they mentally breakdown though, I feel like he's long gone.

[ElNono]

Mike Conley is already over the hill at 28 and he can't stay healthy. No thanks.

The Spurs need someone that is 20 years old with speed and quickness. Not a broken down guy line Conley. He won't stay healthy.

In my opinion, the difference between him and Parker is not worth the money.

nah, you want somebody in his mid-20s with at least 3-4 years in the league... not saying that guy is Conley, but you don't go way too young, unless you're planning a rebuild for the next 3-4 years...

[Harry Callahan]

Yeah too bad the Warriors exist and most of them are about Durant's age or younger. He's not going to win anything with the way OKC is currently constructed. He'll learn that the hard way in a few days.

Agreed. The Spurs need to get a 20 YO speed demon like TP was originally and some kind of quality big.

[palangi]

The Spurs held Westbrook to sub-40% shooting over the series.
sometimes watching it live tells of different story than your shooting stats. Maybe watch the game and not the box score. There is more to a game that shooting percentages.

[EIC]

A legit PG is a good start, but we need a legit big man, too. Lots of holes on this squad.

[Harry Callahan]

nah, you want somebody in his mid-20s with at least 3-4 years in the league... not saying that guy is Conley, but you don't go way too young, unless you're planning a rebuild for the next 3-4 years...

Maybe get a 20 year old kid AND a 4-5 year guy as well. Parker will not get any younger, healthier, or quicker this summer. He might be useful for 1 more year and while the $15MM salary is not ideal, the Spurs cannot just blow the entire thing up and leave LMA and Kawhi stuck with too many inexperienced players.

[EIC]

Pre-injury I would have said yes. But post injury it's way too risky. I actually think Spurs should try and make a trade for Isaiah Thomas of the Celts. I think his game would fit in with the Spurs pretty well.

He would be great. Just not sure we can realistically get him.

[NASpurs]

He is under contract to the Lakers. Next.He's a RFA.

[DPG21920]

No one will want to touch Tony for 30 mil over next 2 years. And the ones that will consider it, likely won't offer anything Spurs would like. And this is IF Spurs consider trading him (which is less than 10%?) -- Sa loyal to big 3.

Another option is Jeff Teague. Mills/Diaw for Teague and small filler helps both teams IMO.

I would be 10000% on board with that deal.

[palangi]

He is under contract to the Lakers. Next.
He's a restricted free agent. They have Russell. And are going to be focused on getting big names in. Might overlook him?

[RD2191]

Yeah too bad the Warriors exist and most of them are about Durant's age or younger. He's not going to win anything with the way OKC is currently constructed. He'll learn that the hard way in a few days.

The Dubs may win this year but they aren't going to 3peat imo. And OKC's players will continue to develop imo. They have all of the tools needed to win. 2 young stars, solid big men, defense when they try and historical rebounding imo. If Westbrook learns to defer to KD in late game situations then they'll def win 1 or 2 titles.

[Keepin' it real]

The Spurs need someone that is 20 years old with speed and quickness.

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2993874.png&w=350&h=254

[Rito3d30]

Parker is not going anywhere as long as Pop is around
A legit BIG man is more desperate with TD retiring
The playing style of Spurs is going to change from passing game to iso hero ball

[Harry Callahan]

He's a RFA.

Right of first refusal on RFAs and tons of salary cap room prevents him from coming to SA.

The Lakers don't have enough good players to let one of the few they have get away. Next.

[DPG21920]

Parker wouldn't be hard to trade. There are teams like SAC and MKE that would take him in a heartbeat.

My man, it's not that TP has no value to other teams, it would be hard for SA to trade him.

[Harry Callahan]

He's a restricted free agent. They have Russell. And are going to be focused on getting big names in. Might overlook him?

Nope.

[DPG21920]

You don't not pay Conley with TP on the team. You do not trade TP just to add a marginal upgrade for even more money. It makes no sense on any level.

[palangi]

What about a trade for Marcus smart? Our first round pick and mills? For smart and 2 of their second rounders.

[Clipper Nation]

Hold this L, Porker fluffers. Even the front office has finally accepted that he's never been "the head of the snake" or "MVParker" and never will be.

[palangi]

Nope.
huh?

[NASpurs]

The Dubs may win this year but they aren't going to 3peat imo. And OKC's players will continue to develop imo. They have all of the tools needed to win. 2 young stars, solid big men, defense when they try and historical rebounding imo. If Westbrook learns to defer to KD in late game situations then they'll def win 1 or 2 titles.Yeah you're right that it's between them and the Warriors right now as the top two teams and the Warriors aren't going to win everything. But we'll see after this Warriors series if he actually feels good about the direction his team is headed or not. He could lose all hope and just abandon ship while he's still in his prime. We'll see though.

[NASpurs]

Right of first refusal on RFAs and tons of salary cap room prevents him from coming to SA. The Lakers don't have enough good players to let one of the few they have get away. Next.

Yeah that right of refusal shit is the part that sucks, blah. It's up to the Lakers if they want to max him out or not I guess. He can force a trade right?

47. What if a restricted free agent has no interest in staying with his original team? Is there any way he can force the issue?If the player really wants to leave, he can sign his original team's qualifying offer, which constitutes a one-year contract at a scale salary. He must then play with his original team for one season, and following that season he will become a free agent again. If he meets the tenure requirement he will be an unrestricted free agent, and then can sign with any other team.

[Mugen]

:lol Conley over 2017 TP is a massive upgrade tbh...

[MaNu4Tres]

I would be 10000% on board with that deal.

Teague has a year left for 8 million. Hawks intend on moving forward w/ Schroder starting at PG anyway ( no plans resigning Teague). They get room for Schroder to grow + Mills/Diaw for bench.

Spurs get better overall PG play, great insurance for TP if he continues to regress and another creator they desperately need -- especially if Manu retires.

[024]

As much as I would like to see Clarkson on the team, I doubt the Lakers will let him go, especially since the Lakers don't have to worry about big contracts to Russell, Randle, and their top 3 pick anytime soon. But at least the Spurs recognize the need to upgrade at PG and are willing to pay big money for one.

[r0drig0lac]

What about a trade for Marcus smart? Our first round pick and mills? For smart and 2 of their second rounders.

because the Celtics could shake in their defensive three Bradley / Smart / Crowder for something less than a star?

[palangi]

As much as I would like to see Clarkson on the team, I doubt the Lakers will let him go, especially since the Lakers don't have to worry about big contracts to Russell, Randle, and their top 3 pick anytime soon. But at least the Spurs recognize the need to upgrade at PG and are willing to pay big money for one.
No but they are going to max out on Derosen and go hard after Durrant

[Ditty]

If true, it seems like the Spurs will be committed to trying to get rid of Parker. If he really wants to win he will come here, I think Memphis is really going to be a dumpster fire with Marc's injury. Wasn't too bad in Memphis with mediocre coaches. He should be plan C/D. At the right price he plays great defense, but his offensive game isn't anything special.

[DPG21920]

:lol Conley over 2017 TP is a massive upgrade tbh...

Disagree. Maybe on defense (but the defense was great with TP), but on offense? I honestly don't think it's worth it at all. For equal money? Sure. For more? No way.

[ElNono]

Maybe get a 20 year old kid AND a 4-5 year guy as well. Parker will not get any younger, healthier, or quicker this summer. He might be useful for 1 more year and while the $15MM salary is not ideal, the Spurs cannot just blow the entire thing up and leave LMA and Kawhi stuck with too many inexperienced players.

Tony is not going anywhere, tbh... I'm sure they'll extend him after this deal is over unless he wants to retire....

[Harry Callahan]

Yeah that right of refusal shit is the part that sucks, blah. It's up to the Lakers if they want to max him out or not I guess. He can force a trade right?

47. What if a restricted free agent has no interest in staying with his original team? Is there any way he can force the issue?If the player really wants to leave, he can sign his original team's qualifying offer, which constitutes a one-year contract at a scale salary. He must then play with his original team for one season, and following that season he will become a free agent again. If he meets the tenure requirement he will be an unrestricted free agent, and then can sign with any other team.

The Lakers have so much salary cap room, they can take on a big contract for JC.

It would be nice to have a San Antonio kid with a lot of upside. It's a year too soon for him to be able to move somewhere else.

[Mugen]

Like a massive upgrade....

I know we all have an emotional connection to TP but, holy crap, am I the only who's watched him since 2014? He'll give you a nice vintage performance 1 in every 5 games or so (maybe 2 out of 5 in Oct-Dec) but he's going to get much worse as early as next season....

Even if it's a straight salary dump, the Spurs would make out like bandits by trading him away........

[Harry Callahan]

Tony is not going anywhere, tbh... I'm sure they'll extend him after this deal is over unless he wants to retire....

If Tony wants to stay here beyond the next two years, he will have to SACRIFICE a lot of money and get paid like a bench player.

His contract might be valuable in the second year, but not as much next year.

[HarlemHeat37]

Looking at the UFA guard list, there isn't much:lol

I would take: Clarkson, Langston Galloway as a backup, Courtney Lee as a backup(only if the Spurs get another playmaker at PG), Bazemore as a backup(which won't happen, since somebody will start him), maybe E'Twaun Moore as a backup..

The list of alternatives at PG is very, very short..

[Harry Callahan]

Like a massive upgrade....

I know we all have an emotional connection to TP but, holy crap, am I the only who's watched him since 2014? He'll give you a nice vintage performance 1 in every 5 games or so (maybe 2 out of 5 in Oct-Dec) but he's going to get much worse as early as next season....

Even if it's a straight salary dump, the Spurs would make out like bandits by trading him away........

If there is a decent, younger option that can be had, the Spurs should look at it.

Tony has been marvelous for the last 15 years, but he is near the end. He was OK this year and was much healthier this year overall, but we are at diminishing returns right now. Like I said, Kawhi and LMA need some help.

[Mugen]

Disagree. Maybe on defense (but the defense was great with TP), but on offense? I honestly don't think it's worth it at all. For equal money? Sure. For more? No way.

FWIW, i don't think he'll be traded but I don't think it will be because of anything on-court related. The offense especially if it's LMA/Kawhi-centric moving forward would run significantly better with a 3pt shooter at PG.

TP can't even finish in the paint anymore. When teams figure that out next season, that little drop off pass to LMA will dry up.

[TXstbobcat]

If the Spurs can sign him and move Parker for anything remotely useful they might be able to get the 4-seed.

Who would trade for Parker with the money owed to him on his current contract????

[MaNu4Tres]

Looking at the UFA guard list, there isn't much:lol

I would take: Clarkson, Langston Galloway as a backup, Courtney Lee as a backup(only if the Spurs get another playmaker at PG), Bazemore as a backup(which won't happen, since somebody will start him), maybe E'Twaun Moore as a backup..

The list of alternatives at PG is very, very short..

Trade Diaw/Mills for Jeff Teague. Overall Point guard position improves, gives SA another creator -- plus lights fire under TP's ass and if it doesn't -- have a new quality starter at PG position.

[DPG21920]

FWIW, i don't think he'll be traded but I don't think it will be because of anything on-court related. The offense especially if it's LMA/Kawhi-centric moving forward would run significantly better with a 3pt shooter at PG.

TP can't even finish in the paint anymore. When teams figure that out next season, that little drop off pass to LMA will dry up.

He finished pretty well against OKC. I agree, 3PT shooting is big from the PG, but Conley isn't so good there that it's worth 20M for him. He's not that great and you can get the skills you need for much cheaper.

I agree, TP won't be traded and it's not for basketball but loyalty reasons. Even if they were willing to trade him, what value would he bring?

[Hoops Czar]

Tony is not going anywhere, tbh... I'm sure they'll extend him after this deal is over unless he wants to retire....

Tough year for ElNono takes, tbh. Shake it off this offseason and come back stronger than ever next season.

[DPG21920]

The FA Guard list is really bad. Maybe Spurs take on a risk/reward guy like Brandon Jennings? Maybe they swing for a young PG that has underwhelmed (MCW). I don't like those options, but it's slim pickings in FA.

I really hope SA can break into the 15-19 range in the draft and get a PG. I think that is the best option with the FA class being awful for guard.

[99 Problems]

Yer no secret with this.

[palangi]

Who would trade for Parker with the money owed to him on his current contract????
one team that might be willing is the 76ers? They need a vet leader. They don't have an established PG. and Tony can fill both spots for the and coach brown. They might end up with 5 first round picks but 3 for sure. They are a very young team that could use a veteran leader for 2 years to help build the Spurs of the east. And they have have money to spend.

[baseline bum]

Who would trade for Parker with the money owed to him on his current contract????

Got me, but they got someone to take Splitter and someone to take Jefferson.

[Mugen]

He finished pretty well against OKC. I agree, 3PT shooting is big from the PG, but Conley isn't so good there that it's worth 20M for him. He's not that great and you can get the skills you need for much cheaper.

I agree, TP won't be traded and it's not for basketball but loyalty reasons. Even if they were willing to trade him, what value would he bring?

Well we're just going to have to disagree. Probably a moot point considering it won't happen, but the Spurs would benefit greatly from a straight TP salary dump if we're talking on-court only IMO.

[elemento]

Tony is not going anywhere, tbh... I'm sure they'll extend him after this deal is over unless he wants to retire....

Dear god I hope you're wrong about this one. I know that Parker seems delusional about himself playing until he is 40 or something, I just hope it's not in SA. Maybe in France for Asvel tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

It'd cost about $56M/4 to max him out. The main reason why I want to go for him so badly is that that is ubercheap compared to what guys like Conley will get.

Main reason I don't see that happening is that the Lakers have no reason to not match. I think they have already seen enough of DeRozan. IMO, Fournier is a more likely get considering the ineptitude of Magic's front office when it comes to free agents & Hezonja being a better wing.

[Kawhitstorm]

Looking at the UFA guard list, there isn't much:lol

I would take: Clarkson, Langston Galloway as a backup, Courtney Lee as a backup(only if the Spurs get another playmaker at PG), Bazemore as a backup(which won't happen, since somebody will start him), maybe E'Twaun Moore as a backup..

OJ Mayo can take Diaw's spot as the resident diabetic.:lol

[DPG21920]

Well we're just going to have to disagree. Probably a moot point considering it won't happen, but the Spurs would benefit greatly from a straight TP salary dump if we're talking on-court only IMO.

I agree with that. We are talking about Conley though specifically. I don't think he's all that much better especially when factoring in what looks to be a 20M a year deal.

[Kawhitstorm]

Trade Diaw/Mills for Jeff Teague. Overall Point guard position improves, gives SA another creator -- plus lights fire under TP's ass and if it doesn't -- have a new quality starter at PG position.

Porky has to be moved b/c his contract will be an issue when Teague become a free agent. Trading Porky/Diaw for Teague/Tiago would work salary wise assuming Bud is still on the Spurs payroll.:lol

[DPG21920]

Got me, but they got someone to take Splitter and someone to take Jefferson.

If SA was sufficiently motivated, there would be takers for TP. He's still respected especially with the start to the season he had and his showing vs OKC. Then you factor in the arms race for free agents, the fact it's only a 2 year deal (low risk) and very cheap compared to what Conley will get? It's a terrible FA class for PG, he's known, relatively cheap compared to most guys and respected.

SA is not going to trade him unless it's for a chance at a star like Durant or unless it's for a lottery pick type player they love as a replacement.

Even then, they won't dump him to some shit hole like SAC :lol

[MoSpur]

It's like when your wife lets everything go and the chubby waitress starts looking good.

:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Porky has to be moved b/c his contract will be an issue when Teague become a free agent. Trading Porky/Diaw for Teague/Tiago would work salary wise assuming Bud is still on the Spurs payroll.:lol

Not necessarily, Spurs can go into next yr with TP and Teague. Then, reassess options in summer of 17', when Teague is a UFA and when Tony has an attractive 15 mil expiring contract to possibly trade.

[Kawhitstorm]

The FA Guard list is really bad. Maybe Spurs take on a risk/reward guy like Brandon Jennings? Maybe they swing for a young PG that has underwhelmed (MCW). I don't like those options, but it's slim pickings in FA.

I really hope SA can break into the 15-19 range in the draft and get a PG. I think that is the best option with the FA class being awful for guard.

MCW is a bad fit w/ Kyle & someone like Gary Payton II can approximate his skillsets as a 3rd string PG. I was advocating for PATFO to trade Kyle for MCW during the trade deadline but the ship has sailed on that one.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Brandon Jennings would be a good project for cheap.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not necessarily, Spurs can go into next yr with TP and Teague. Then, reassess options in summer of 17', when Teague is a UFA and when Tony has an attractive 15 mil expiring contract to possibly trade.

I wouldn't be opposed to that as long as Porky doesn't completely breakdown & become untradable like Nash. Considering he is going to play for France in the Olympic that isn't far fetched.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Brandon Jennings would be a good project for cheap.

qB_XfZiYnKQ

[J_Paco]

Good player, but too risky IMO..

Exactly, I don't understand people's obsession with him.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

qB_XfZiYnKQ

That nigga can score. Better than Patty imho

[DPG21920]

MCW is a bad fit w/ Kyle & someone like Gary Payton II can approximate his skillsets as a 3rd string PG. I was advocating for PATFO to trade Kyle for MCW during the trade deadline but the ship has sailed on that one.

Of course MCW is a bad fit, just saying a type of avenue SA might explore.

[baseline bum]

Brandon Jennings would be a good project for cheap.

Didn't he tear his achilles? No thanks.

[cjw]

The Lakers have so much salary cap room, they can take on a big contract for JC.

It would be nice to have a San Antonio kid with a lot of upside. It's a year too soon for him to be able to move somewhere else.

Don't think there are a ton of dominoes to fall like last offseason (masterfully pulled off) so if offering Clarkson a solid deal makes sense, at least force Lakers to match and lose flexibility.

For the first time in a long time, you're about to see serious roster turnover. Only three guys are safe (TD and Manu excluded). Parker is one of those three for better or worse.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Not sure if I want a pg that had only made it to second round once in last ten years

[Godbama]

I'd love this but lol at people talking about "moving Parker". In this PG heavy market, you really think you can move a 33 year old Tony Parker who still hasn't fully grasped that the 2016 Spurs aren't "his team" anymore?

[DPG21920]

I'd love this but lol at people talking about "moving Parker". In this PG heavy market, you really think you can move a 33 year old Tony Parker who still hasn't fully grasped that the 2016 Spurs aren't "his team" anymore?

PG heavy market? I think you are confused about the market.

[Godbama]

PG heavy market? I think you are confused about the market.
I don't mean the upcoming free agent market, I just mean in a general league sense there are plenty of okay to good PGs out there. Are you seriously telling me there's significant trade value in 33 year old Tony Parker?

[DPG21920]

Depends on your definition of significant. I don't think SA trades TP unless they think they have a shot at a Durant type player. However, I do think him being on a 2 year deal (low risk as you can trade him as an expiring contract if it doesn't work) and his contract being relatively low for what we will see guards getting from here on out makes him attractive to some teams.

But I don't think SA does TP like that.

[phxspurfan]

Yes, Conley would make a great addition. Defense and pass PG. He and Pau would make a great off season.

[SD126]

MCW is a bad fit w/ Kyle & someone like Gary Payton II can approximate his skillsets as a 3rd string PG. I was advocating for PATFO to trade Kyle for MCW during the trade deadline but the ship has sailed on that one.

Not necessarily. Especially since Milwaukee would more than likely put MCW back on the block. I like the GPII idea, but expect more draft & stash BS

[LkrFan]

He can't shoot. Would kill your spacing. Do it RC! :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

He can't shoot. Would kill your spacing. Do it RC! :lol
Sit this one out dog.

Mitch is about to show DeFrozan Max money

[LkrFan]

Sit this one out dog.

Mitch is about to show DeFrozan Max money

I sure hope the fuck not. :lol

[024]

No but they are going to max out on Derosen and go hard after Durrant
Doubt Durant will leave now that OKC has cemented themselves as second best in the West. And the Lakers are projected to have $60+ million of cap space, the most in the league. Yeah... cap space is not a problem for them.

[timtonymanu]

I liked the idea of Conley but not anymore, especially since they won't let go of Parker. The Spurs are going to need a guard who can penetrate/shoot in the starting lineup.

[spurspokesman]

Would work for a few ring chasing seasons before the blowup

[intlspurshk]

If SPURS really try to get Mike, then TP will be traded. Loyalty is important but the recent playoff shows the team can't even get pass 2nd round with TP as PG. The front office will face pressure from LMA and KL to upgrade the team. I believe TP can still put up double digit scores in eastern conference and some teams with cap room will be interested. SPURS need center who can rebound and play good help defense, 3pt shooting bigman, 6th man combo guard, player to do dirty work and athletic guards. SPURS will need to gradually retool but there are not many good players in the FA market that SPURS can sign, maybe Pau Gasol, Kent Bazemore, Matt Barne, Jared Dudley

[313]

Pass.

[gambit1990]

never been a real big fan. would take him over park for sure though.

how much money does he want?

not really related but isiah thomas is getting paid $6 million next season and the season after that :wow

[houston spurs fan]

I'd make a trade with Atlanta to get Jeff Teague. Start him and have TP come off the bench. I think Atlanta wants to move to starting Schroeder anyways...

[rjv]

i'd rather take a shot at greivis vasquez and have more left over to spend.

[ceperez]

Folks... what about Nando de Colo???

[Robz4000]

Conley would be an awkward fit offensively next to Kawhi/LMA, but would be a huge upgrade on defense. If they offload Parker and Mills finds his shot again it might be worth it, otherwise I'd pass due to the money he'd demand.

[DAF86]

Conley
Green
Kawhi
Aldridge
Horford

Mills
Korver
Anderson
Boris
Boban

Not a huge fan of Conley and Horford, but that might be good enough for a WCF trip.

[HankChinaski]

Yeah they only go for Conley if they off load Parker. Addition by Subtraction

[Spurs9]

Any decent PG's in the draft the Spurs could pursue with a trade like they did with Leonard? Haven't been playing attention to any type of pickups they could swing with that.

[coachmac87]

Conley
Green
Kawhi
Aldridge
Horford

Mills
Korver
Anderson
Boris
Boban

Not a huge fan of Conley and Horford, but that might be good enough for a WCF trip.

And how does that work with the cap?

[HankChinaski]

And how does that work with the cap?

Cap what? Cap this!

Armchair general managing doesn't require numbers other than 1-15 for roster space

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs can't try to hit a home run by landing Conley, they need a team from 1 - 12 at the very least.. Need to spread the small wealth around or deal parker to get some flexibility to get a group that compliment Kawhi and Aldridge. Problem is they'll think that TP will be the same or even better in a new role.. they'll draft and stash as always and we will fill the roster with Keith Bogans level vets that suck come playoff time.

[KL2]

We're getting either E'Twaun or Langston, they both played well against Porker just like Miller and McCallum did.

[Slippy]

Conley wow. Allow me to dream.

Atleast this scenario seems more realistic than Durant

[Slippy]

Spurs biggest need is a competent/ starting worthy Pg. Who wont be a liability on the defensive end like Tony & makeshift PG patty were.

Conley fits that bill and more

[Mark Celibate]

A hardcore defensive big like Robin Lopez for example is what the spurs need most at the moment imho. You can't expect any legit success in the playoffs if your best defensive big is a 40yr old Duncan tbh.

[Kawhitstorm]

Conley would be an awkward fit offensively next to Kawhi/LMA, but would be a huge upgrade on defense. If they offload Parker and Mills finds his shot again it might be worth it, otherwise I'd pass due to the money he'd demand.

Conley is a very good PnR/PnP player, he's used to playing a a jump shooting big b/c of Gasol.

[Kawhitstorm]

Conley
Green
Kawhi
Aldridge
Horford

Mills
Korver
Anderson
Boris
Boban

Not a huge fan of Conley and Horford, but that might be good enough for a WCF trip.

There is no way to get BOTH Conley/Horford w/ Boris on the roster. Would essentially have to do a sign & trade w/ the Hawks for Horford in exchange for Porker/Diaw.

[G-Dawgg]

I want Butler from Chicago. Him and Kawhi clamping down on defense would be legendary

[ElNono]

Tough year for ElNono takes, tbh. Shake it off this offseason and come back stronger than ever next season.

What do you mean? You think Tony is going anywhere? I think on loyalty alone they won't move him... And you can't redo his contract. He could come off the bench tho.

[DMC]

Spurs found a way to dump RJ's shitty contract on the Warriors and so they should be able to dump Parker, but they won't. They'll ask Parker to become more of a distributor and Pop will try to fit a square peg into a round hole once again, and because of the great RS record and Parkers uptick in assists, Pop will be considered for CotY. Then the playoffs will come and Parker will go into "I have to score, this is my time, Tissot" mode.

[024]

Looking at the cap situation, getting Conley only makes sense if the Spurs jettison Parker. It won't make sense to get rid of Diaw or Green just so they can max out Conley and have a $14 million PG sit on the bench.

And I doubt Parker will be traded, maybe eventually get less and less minutes but being traded would be a huge surprise.

[td4mvp2k]

:tu get it done RC and trade porker asap!

[TheGoldStandard]

How about Spurs make a phone call to Larry Sanders for the vacancy in the big roll.. Fresh legs, seems like his head is on right and just work into his contract fresh urine from one of the ball boys and that'll do it. Guy was a defensive and rebounding monster.

[TrainOfThought5]

Like a massive upgrade....

I know we all have an emotional connection to TP but, holy crap, am I the only who's watched him since 2014? He'll give you a nice vintage performance 1 in every 5 games or so (maybe 2 out of 5 in Oct-Dec) but he's going to get much worse as early as next season....

Even if it's a straight salary dump, the Spurs would make out like bandits by trading him away........

If Tim and Manu retire we gotta get rid of him Splitter style to give Kawhi and LMA a real chance to win.

[Kawhitstorm]

I want Butler from Chicago. Him and Kawhi clamping down on defense would be legendary

Jimmy isn't that much better than Danny as far as defense goes but he would take the offensive burden off Kawhi/LMA. They would essentially be a modern version of the mid 2000s Pistons.

[tbdog]

Spurs can't try to hit a home run by landing Conley, they need a team from 1 - 12 at the very least.

Not true. You need 1-8 with 2 specialists. 10 man playoff roster is kinda the max you want, but you really want 8. One back up big, one backup point guard, one backup swing. Take 2014 finals for example, spurs played 9 guys. But game 3, Beli was the 9th player in our rotation and got only 6 minutes. But because of Duncan's age, (if he returns), you want 2 backup bigs. In saying that, you need all 13 to get through a season. However, look at the roster for a second.

Parker
Green
Leonard
LMA
TD?

Diaw
Patty
Anderson
Simmons

That's 9. But Anderson and Simmons are not quality playoff rotation guys yet. They need far more work. And the jury is out if Patty and Diaw can perform at the high stage again. If we resign Bobon, he can be one of our specialist. This is why signing a player like Conloy is not a great idea if we use all our cap, because we really need depth. And I don't see trading Parker, Diaw, and Mills will get us 3 playoff worthy contributors. Spreading the wealth by trying to get players like Noah and Batum for example can really give us some good looks. Then perhaps try and grab a veteran like Gasol.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I want Butler from Chicago. Him and Kawhi clamping down on defense would be legendary

Spurs had a chance to draft Butler but picked CoJo instead.

Chicago will only trade him for nothing less than Kawhi now.

[Chillen]

More than likely Durant stays in OKC now (unless the Warriors sweep them) so Conley, Pau Gasol would be good fits for the Spurs and resign Duncan, Manu for cheap as bench players in what would probably be their last season (if they don't retire now), roll the dice and see what happens.

[RD2191]

More than likely Durant stays in OKC now (unless the Warriors sweep them) so Conley, Pau Gasol would be good fits for the Spurs and resign Duncan, Manu for cheap as bench players in what would probably be their last season (if they don't retire now), roll the dice and see what happens.

This team desperately needs a defensive/rebounding center.

[random21]

J. Noah would fit that need of rebounding and some toughness. Add Matt Barnes too. Give this team some balls

[hater]

He's getting old. I think we need youth.

[hater]

I'd rather get the PG from Atlanta. Hell they can trade him to us and move the panzer Westbrook to their starting lineup. Teage that's his name.. I'd rather get teage

[hater]

Teage
Green
Kawhi
Aldridge
Gasol


Trade porker to ATL. Retire evita and jim

Send diaw back to his pigfarm. Fat fucking piece of shit

[coachmac87]

https://youtu.be/05PmvnZrxaw


Honestly blows Parker out the water and it's not close. We can really use somebody who can not only get into the paint with ease but with creativity with handle..something Parker lacks

[Spurs9]

Spurs found a way to dump RJ's shitty contract on the Warriors and so they should be able to dump Parker, but they won't. They'll ask Parker to become more of a distributor and Pop will try to fit a square peg into a round hole once again, and because of the great RS record and Parkers uptick in assists, Pop will be considered for CotY. Then the playoffs will come and Parker will go into "I have to score, this is my time, Tissot" mode.
http://www.professionaljeweller.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/03/TonyParker_Paris11.jpg

[DMC]

http://www.professionaljeweller.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/03/TonyParker_Paris11.jpg
dis eeez your time, seeez de day, de time eeez now, your moment... Tissot

[UZER]

Parker is not going anywhere. It's ridiculous to even think he will be traded.

[daslicer]

Great idea the spurs should go after a PG that is injury prone and is a year away from being 30. This guy will drop off in a year or two and be at the same level that Tony Parker currently is at.

[ECOV]

I want Butler from Chicago. Him and Kawhi clamping down on defense would be legendary
We could of had him but we got cory joseph instead

[CGD]

Great idea the spurs should go after a PG that is injury prone and is a year away from being 30. This guy will drop off in a year or two and be at the same level that Tony Parker currently is at.

He's 28 now and would be 32 at the end of a 4 year contract. Unlike Parker at the same age (now), no financial commitment beyond that. He's also better than Parker NOW which coincides with the Apex of the good LMA years and the budding Leonard years.

Obviously the big question though is the health issue vis-a-vis a max offer.

[kobyz]

Will need to unload Mills and Diaw contracts first...

[CGD]

Parker is not going anywhere. It's ridiculous to even think he will be traded.

I don't think you need to trade TP to get Conoly. TP just needs to be ok with the supersub role that manu has played for many years.

The upgrades that need to happen are at the positions currently occupied by Boris, Patty, and West. One way or another the Spurs are probably moving on from those guys next year, especially since moving Boris and Patty would free up nearly 12M in cap space needed towards a max offer. TP would fill the Patty role and hopefully Anderson can take the next step and fill the Boris role. Ideally West retires and Duncan comes back to play that role off the bench.

The Spurs then need to find a big that they can be cultivated to play next to Lamarcus. I suspect that's Multinov, the kid they drafted last summer whose games reminds me a lot of tiago/oberto (good screener, good interior passing, garbage man, doesn't need touches).

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Tony is overpaid. You could argue there were years where he was underpaid, perhaps. It would be nice to see him renegotiate for the good of the team, but that seems unlikely, so this is probably just an obstacle the Spurs will have to deal with. I don't see any team wanting him at that price.

I like Conley depending on what he's looking to be paid. He's had some injuries though. Any long-term contract involving Conley will probably create a similar conversation to the current Parker situation in 2 or 3 years if we're talking a max-type deal.

[Spurs9]

Tony is overpaid. You could argue there were years where he was underpaid, perhaps. It would be nice to see him renegotiate for the good of the team, but that seems unlikely, so this is probably just an obstacle the Spurs will have to deal with. I don't see any team wanting him at that price.

I like Conley depending on what he's looking to be paid. He's had some injuries though. Any long-term contract involving Conley will probably create a similar conversation to the current Parker situation in 2 or 3 years if we're talking a max-type deal.

He wont be considered overpaid to alot of teams with his contract with the new cap, hopefully we can get something decent in a trade.

[daslicer]

He's 28 now and would be 32 at the end of a 4 year contract. Unlike Parker at the same age (now), no financial commitment beyond that. He's also better than Parker NOW which coincides with the Apex of the good LMA years and the budding Leonard years.

Obviously the big question though is the health issue vis-a-vis a max offer.

He turns 29 in October so he will be 30 after next season. All players decline after 30 but the PG position has the most rapid decline. The PG's that didn't have significant declines in their 30's are the ones that tend to have old man's game ala Nash,Kidd,Stockton. Conley is good at penetrating and is an above average play maker but he shoots a terrible FG percentage. I would pass on him due to health concerns, age, and the fact that he wants a max contract.

[Kawhitstorm]

Conley is good at penetrating and is an above average play maker but he shoots a terrible FG percentage. I would pass on him due to health concerns, age, and the fact that he wants a max contract.

Conley isn't a "terrible shooter" that would be Rondo.:lol

When healthy, Conley is essentially a 45%-38%-82% shooter & that was also playing in a shitty offensive system which lacked shooters & had TWO high usage postup players thus the lane was clogged.

[hater]

Parker is not going anywhere. It's ridiculous to even think he will be traded.

Probably true. But then Pork needs to go to da bench. We need to trade Mills and fat piece of shit Diaw. I'm ok with the rest of the team. Of course evita needs to be gone and Duncan if he wants one more year needs to go to da bench.

We need a PG and Pau Gasol. Teague most likely if not then Conley

[ElNono]

People forget we traded Sean Elliott, tbh... I do think it's a different situation right now, and Tony isn't going anywhere...
I just hope he either has a renaissance season or comes off the bench...

[Chinook]

Parker will either start of be gone, in my opinion. He's not worth his money, and getting a PG that makes more than him just makes it worse. I think the Spurs would trade him to a team where he could go to a good situation, like Atlanta if Horford reups or Brooklyn, which has some nice pieces and could really use a guard. The Spurs aren't going to get another starter while keeping Tony. It's almost financially impossible.

[hater]

I can see the Lakers on knicks wanting Parker

[DarrinS]

I can see the Lakers on knicks wanting Parker

I could see Parker wanting those spotlights.

[Kawhitstorm]

People forget we traded Sean Elliott, tbh... I do think it's a different situation right now, and Tony isn't going anywhere...
I just hope he either has a renaissance season or comes off the bench...

Bruce Bowen is more relevant than Elliott since the latter hadn't even won a single chip when he got traded. Bowen was also at the end of his career like Porker but only had one year remaining on his deal which was a partially guarantee, meanwhile Porky has 2 year remaining on his deal FULLY guaranteed.:rolleyes

Porker getting traded to the Hawks for Teague would be the equivalent of Billups getting traded to Denver for Iverson.:lol

[UZER]

Probably true. But then Pork needs to go to da bench. We need to trade Mills and fat piece of shit Diaw. I'm ok with the rest of the team. Of course evita needs to be gone and Duncan if he wants one more year needs to go to da bench.

We need a PG and Pau Gasol. Teague most likely if not then Conley

Definitely Parker off the bench.

[K...]

Tony is overpaid. You could argue there were years where he was underpaid, perhaps. It would be nice to see him renegotiate for the good of the team, but that seems unlikely, so this is probably just an obstacle the Spurs will have to deal with. I don't see any team wanting him at that price.

I like Conley depending on what he's looking to be paid. He's had some injuries though. Any long-term contract involving Conley will probably create a similar conversation to the current Parker situation in 2 or 3 years if we're talking a max-type deal.

you can't renegotiate the contract. Next person who says this gets their posting rights suspended even if they are a legendary poster.

[K...]

I think i'll say it again.

Assuming gasol doesn't pull a west and play for free,

Would you rather use cap space on a big and bench pieces, and roll with PArker

or blow the whole stack on Conley and go minimums and exceptions. Maybe getting something nice in a trade with Parker. (but also very likely we lose our pick in any parker trade as sweetener)


It's not an easy choice (unless you have emotions which you can't turn off then it looks easy)

[poeticism707]

I like this move when the Spurs strike out on Durant.

By the time the 4 year contract is up, Conley would only be 32.

And he is HEAD AND SHOULDERS BETTER THAN TP RIGHT NOW

And as TP ain't getting traded due to legacy and his huge contract and old age,

they can easily bring him off the bench.

DO IT POP¡¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¡!!!!!

[ElNono]

Bruce Bowen is more relevant than Elliott since the latter hadn't even won a single chip when he got traded. Bowen was also at the end of his career like Porker but only had one year remaining on his deal which was a partially guarantee, meanwhile Porky has 2 year remaining on his deal FULLY guaranteed.:rolleyes

Porker getting traded to the Hawks for Teague would be the equivalent of Billups getting traded to Denver for Iverson.:lol

Word around the time was that Bowen and Pop weren't in great terms... IIRC, Pop stopped playing him quite a bit before the trade happened. I don't see that situation with Tony.

I know Bowen will be perennially underrated, tbh, but he also wasn't part of the big 3...

[TheGoldStandard]

I think i'll say it again.

Assuming gasol doesn't pull a west and play for free,

Would you rather use cap space on a big and bench pieces, and roll with PArker

or blow the whole stack on Conley and go minimums and exceptions. Maybe getting something nice in a trade with Parker. (but also very likely we lose our pick in any parker trade as sweetener)


It's not an easy choice (unless you have emotions which you can't turn off then it looks easy)


Which big are we speaking of? Gasol? I'd rather try to go get Teague even if its for a year and bring over some of the euro stashes we have. We make the playoffs and get bounced, Teague might want to stay, we shop parker the following season because it's an expiring deal or you just deal with his trash for 2 seasons and its over.

If I'm going to blow money on anyone its not Conley, presently constructed he does not move the needle to get them a win with minimums and exceptions. I'd rather at least attempt to get Clarkson and be in limbo for a season or two ultimately hoping that Milutinov becomes at least a competent big and Spurs are able to get a 3rd cheese in 2 seasons.

[poeticism707]

Clarkson is a RFA.

You are plum crazy if you think the Lakers ain't matching whatever offer sheet.

[Kawhitstorm]

Which big are we speaking of? Gasol? I'd rather try to go get Teague even if its for a year and bring over some of the euro stashes we have.

I would assume the MLE would be enough for Pau so there would still be a 20 mill cap space if Tim/Manu retire. Besides, Teague wouldn't take up the cap space b/c of the outgoing salary.

Thus, PATFO can sign Pau for the MLE & use the cap space on a backup big (Mozgov) & a combo guard (Fournier). Maybe sign a stretch 4 like Leuer for dirt cheap.

So, the depth chart would look something like this:

Pau/Mozgov (*level one empty slot)
LMA/Leuer/Andrew Nicholson
Kawhi/Kyle/Bertans
Danny/Fournier/Simmons
Tony/Teague/GP II

For small-ball, Kawhi can play the 4 & Fournier can play w/ the starters in place of Pau.

[SAGirl]

Also, if tholdren likes it, it's probably a bad idea:lol
Props! this was funny. :toast


My man, it's not that TP has no value to other teams, it would be hard for SA to trade him.
I haven't been around as long as some of you.. or most of you it seems like, so my speculations are going to be off the mark often concerning issues like this but I would think Pops would have a heart to heart conversation with him in which Tony would accept whatever conditions Pop wants. It would seem to us he would be unlikely to agree to a bench role, but if it was that or a trade, Tony would do it. At the same time, Pop did trade George Hill, whom he famously loved, to improve the team. It was a necessity. I am unsure on how they go about this, but spending near max money on two PG doesn't make sense. If they go after Conley, they move Tony.

Pop's priorities were two:
1. bench production
2. bigs

He did express admiration for Andre Miller. (He likes the passing PG of old) He will do what he can to strengthen this spot, too.

Its possible they look at the draft for a PG, or a young project that is not in our radar. One tends to think we need someone more middle of the road around 24-25 yrs. old, but if that guy is not out there to be had, then off to the draft it is, same way we got Kawhi. In that case, he will want Tony here to train him, with Tony's acknowledgment that if the bench needs him to be scoring off to the bench he goes, while that younger guy has Kawhi and LMA to support him with the scoring while he grows. This outlook would be the best of both worlds and it doesn't include Conley.

[SAGirl]

I think i'll say it again.

Assuming gasol doesn't pull a west and play for free,

Would you rather use cap space on a big and bench pieces, and roll with PArker

or blow the whole stack on Conley and go minimums and exceptions. Maybe getting something nice in a trade with Parker. (but also very likely we lose our pick in any parker trade as sweetener)


It's not an easy choice (unless you have emotions which you can't turn off then it looks easy)
The option I bolded is the one who seems more realistic considering Pop's concerns about our depth.

[apalisoc_9]

Yuck. Conley hasnt played decent Defense for the last year and half. Hes almost as bad as parker on that end. It's also a huge gamble because of injury.

To add to that, Kawhi needs a legit perimter partner that isnt in the deferement mindset. Conley is one of those guys who will be aggresive one game and take 12-14 shots and the next game he takes 7-8 shots...and that was a year ago when they barely had any real offensive perimter talent.

He would be a complete waste of money.

[CGD]

Swap TP/Boris for Teague/Splitter + ATL Pick.

If healthy Splitter can be a stopgap until the Spurs are able to bring along another big to start alongside with LMA, such as Mulitinov or LJC.

[wildbill2u]

This past season stat comparison per 36 minutes from Basketball Reference.
k Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS1

Mike Conley 2015-16 28 56 56 1760 6.0 14.2 .422 1.6 4.4 .363 4.4 9.8 .449 3.9 4.7 .834 0.5 2.8 3.4 7.0 1.4 0.3 1.7 2.0 17.52

Tony Parker 2015-16 33 72 72 1980 6.4 12.9 .493 0.5 1.2 .415 5.9 11.7 .501 2.4 3.1 .760 0.3 2.9 3.2 6.9 1.0 0.2 2.4 2.1 15.6

Have to remember that Parker was trying to adjust/defer to LMA and Kwahi as primary shooting options and wasn't playing his usual game. Conley is 28, no spring chicken for a guard either if he may have some achilles tendon issues. Can't have both. I don't know if Parker's contract is tradeable which would be required to bring Conley in on big FA contract.All in all, I think I'd rather go after some lower rated younger guy with a good upside. I don't know if any are available and doubt we could get one in draft.Our weakest position is at Center.

[BackHome]

Don't understand the love for Teague he sucks and would not fit in with our team

[dbreiden83080]

So that would put Tony on the trading block?

[bic50]

Didn't get the chance to watch the entire series. But was parker really that bad?

[hooperflash]

Didn't get the chance to watch the entire series. But was parker really that bad?

In my eyes, the only downside of him on the floor was the defense on Westbrook in the post.
Although you can say that for most guards, he did fine tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Didn't get the chance to watch the entire series. But was parker really that bad?

No but yes. He didn't play as bad as 2015 but the problem is this dude still wants to take big buckets and freeze out the team like he is still the man. the last few minutes of game 5 were just pathetic and he was leading the way. i used to be a Parker fan but right now he is nowhere near worth his contract and despite what he says he obviously is having trouble relinquishing control of the team. he is not a starting caliber PG in 2016 imo

[SAGirl]

I am just convinced we stick with Tony. Pop is likely to let got of some vets in the bench and upgrade our depth. While the league zigs, they zag, that's Pop. Maybe some FA that are not in our radars right now. To me it's urgent to get a big URGENT. Timmy is done. If he returns in a legacy contract fine but we need younger legit bigs and we won't get value for Tony.

I might be wrong but Pop was specific about lack of depth, bigs then the PG spot. So you fill some with FA for others spots they maybe look at draft or international prospects again.

[baseline bum]

No but yes. He didn't play as bad as 2015 but the problem is this dude still wants to take big buckets and freeze out the team like he is still the man. the last few minutes of game 5 were just pathetic and he was leading the way. i used to be a Parker fan but right now he is nowhere near worth his contract and despite what he says he obviously is having trouble relinquishing control of the team. he is not a starting caliber PG in 2016 imo

Westbrook played some pretty amazing ball denial on that play in Game 5 with the score 90-90 with about a minute and a half left. The Spurs were definitely running a play for Kawhi but he couldn't get open for the pass. I was pissed at Parker taking that shot at first, but watching it again that was just great defense from Westbrook.

[Sean Cagney]

No but yes. He didn't play as bad as 2015 but the problem is this dude still wants to take big buckets and freeze out the team like he is still the man. the last few minutes of game 5 were just pathetic and he was leading the way. i used to be a Parker fan but right now he is nowhere near worth his contract and despite what he says he obviously is having trouble relinquishing control of the team. he is not a starting caliber PG in 2016 imo

^^^^^ This.

[Kawhitstorm]

Don't understand the love for Teague he sucks and would not fit in with our team

Teague essentially 2002-03 Porker w/ a 3 point shot & court vision, which is better than 2016-17 Porker or Patty.:wakeup

Ideally, he would be an excellent backup on a contender ala Reggie Jackson w/ OKC but if he's splitting minutes w/ Porky that would essentially be his role. His body is also not breaking down, which is the #1 issue w/ Conley. The best ability is availability as we saw w/ Tiago.

[Kawhitstorm]

Westbrook played some pretty amazing ball denial on that play in Game 5 with the score 90-90 with about a minute and a half left. The Spurs were definitely running a play for Kawhi but he couldn't get open for the pass. I was pissed at Parker taking that shot at first, but watching it again that was just great defense from Westbrook.

WestBrick didn't blowup the play but Porky still missed two OPEN jumpers & a crucial FT, which is the opposite of a clutch performance.