Teague vs. Conley

[Kawhitstorm]

I think y'all are overrating Mike "Underrated" Conley, tbh: http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/atlanta-hawks/players/jeff-teague/comparison/13/1/12/210

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3spbb9/debate_mike_conley_or_jeff_teague/


Spursgreg9683 (https://www.reddit.com/user/greg9683) 1 point 6 months ago I think Conley right now in the next year. Over the long haul, for the remainders of their career, Teague is the better more consistent bet.
For the Spurs, I think I'd take Conley if I had to pick one of the two. He seems like he'd fit really well with the structure.





Mike, give us the scouting report on Jeff:

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[lefty]

Both better than Porker tbh..

[Leetonidas]

Spurs won 67 games with a garbage PG who cant defend for shit. Conley is not a savior but spurs are so much better with a PG who is not a liability. anything is better than porky

[daslicer]

Conley is going to turn 30 in a year so I would pass up on him. His asset is his quick speed and even with that he shoots a shitty FG percentage. PG's that rely heavily on speed and athletic ability historically become trash once they enter their 30's. It's hysterical how you guys hate Parker and want this guy but don't realize this guy will be Parker part 2 within a year or two.

[sasaint]

Conley is going to turn 30 in a year so I would pass up on him. His asset is his quick speed and even with that he shoots a shitty FG percentage. PG's that rely heavily on speed and athletic ability historically become trash once they enter their 30's. It's hysterical how you guys hate Parker and want this guy but don't realize this guy will be Parker part 2 within a year or two.

For the kind of money that Conley will get, no way we should sign him. Parker 2.0 waiting to happen, as you said.

Neither should we go after Teague, who will also command a bigger contract than he is really worth. I hope we go after Jordan Clarkson. We need to start focusing on younger players than we have historically.

[Kawhitstorm]

Teague

-Has owned Chris Paul recently: http://bkref.com/tiny/tMi5v
-Has outplayed Lillard throughout their careers: http://bkref.com/tiny/HwpPH

Isn't afraid to tango w/ Wardell:

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Run circles around Roberson & OKC during crunch time:

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Cooked Lowry/Dragic:

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Not afraid to get some "Nasty!":

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[Kawhitstorm]

For the kind of money that Conley will get, no way we should sign him. Parker 2.0 waiting to happen, as you said.

Neither should we go after Teague, who will also command a bigger contract than he is really worth. I hope we go after Jordan Clarkson. We need to start focusing on younger players than we have historically.

Clarkson isn't a point guard ala George Hill & the Lakers w/ their 60 million cap space have no reason to let him walk. Besides, Clarkson is almost 24 not 19.

As far as Teague, PATFO could cox him into taking a Danny type contract if they can get their hands on him for a season. Otherwise, just let him walk & use the cap space to bring back George Hill or if there is enough cap space go after Jrue Holiday.

[hooperflash]

He pushed LeBron.

[Kawhitstorm]

:wakeup

[RD2191]

Warming up to jeff tbh

[kaji157]

I prefer Teague because of his age, none the definitive solution.

[CGD]

Makes sense. Trade centered around a Teague for Diaw/Mills swap works. ATL doesn't really have much leverage since everyone knows they want to start Shroeder.

[Kawhitstorm]

Makes sense. Trade centered around a Teague for Diaw/Mills swap works. ATL doesn't really have much leverage since everyone knows they want to start Shroeder.

Porker makes sense for them since they are a loser franchise that needs some championship pedigree & Schroder could use a vet that knows the playbook cover to cover.

For example, Kidd/Nash had Kevin Johnson as a mentor.

[Chinook]

One takes assets to acquire. If we're talking about moving Parker for Teague, I'd prefer him. Any other players or picks, and I'm dubious. But Conley isn't even on my radar.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs won't have to get rid of Parker for Teague.

Teague has 1 year left for 8 million, no team is really going to give up a lot if they don't have word that he'll re-sign after next year ( this hurts his value).

At the same time, the PG position is the most saturated position across the league. Not a lot of teams have that need. It's basic supply and demand economics -- less demand/higher supply -- lower asking price.

I'd prefer taking a 1 year flyer on Teague and give up Diaw/Mills and maybe a pick (if needed) to get Teague, rather than overpay Conley for 4 years after he just came off a major injury.

If Spurs traded for Teague, they can reassess their options next summer. Re-sign Teague? Look to trade TP if he regresses again (he'll have an expiring)?

[.G.]

Saulboutdatyouthmovement.

Pass on Conley.

It's Clarkson or Teague.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Conley is much better if healthy but that could be a big IF.

Teague reminds of Tony a little bit and has been used like that by Bud.

At best he is about league average though so I wouldn't like to commit anything too seriously his way.

[elemento]

Conley went from underrated to overrated in the past years. If he is the best PG on the market, then the market is fucking pathetic. San Antonio should be out of it.

He is great to have when you're paying him bellow average money (like Memphis in the past 5 years), but he is not the kind of player you pay 100m to sign. That's for moronic teams. I really hope that the Spurs do not pursue him.

I'm ok with Teague depending on the asking price and ideally, it would be better if Parker could be somehow involved.

[MaNu4Tres]

Conley went from underrated to overrated in the past years. If he is the best PG on the market, then the market is fucking pathetic. San Antonio should be out of it.

He is great to have when you're paying him bellow average money (like Memphis in the past 5 years), but he is not the kind of player you pay 100m to sign. That's for moronic teams. I really hope that the Spurs do not pursue him.

I'm ok with Teague depending on the asking price and ideally, it would be better if Parker could be somehow involved.

Only way Tony would be involved is if a 3rd team is involved. Hawks are committed in moving forward with Schroder getting 30+ minutes at PG. No way Hawks would want to pay 15 million for a 15 minute back up PG.

[Spurtacular]

Teague

-Has owned Chris Paul recently: http://bkref.com/tiny/tMi5v
-Has outplayed Lillard throughout their careers: http://bkref.com/tiny/HwpPH

Isn't afraid to tango w/ Wardell:

m-4KTjsaAyk

Run circles around Roberson & OKC during crunch time:

_z5LQ_UNkEE

Cooked Lowry/Dragic:

MDmFvh_sg6Q

UCAWec0uMKM

Not afraid to get some "Nasty!":

TorXYYwe9uo

He'd want too much money.

[TheGoldStandard]

Clarkson would be the ideal guy Combo guard who can handle the rock, pull up from 3, has a quick first step and can fly at the rim. He's from San Antonio, went to school here so he knows what to expect here and has family here.

Now sure Lakers have tons of cash to match but drive up that market and they might not want to do it.. Or offer a nice trade.. Mills/Anderson, Diaw and a first. Clarkson is a better pick than anything they'll get at 29 and it helps recoup some of those expenses. Lakers get a shooter, Anderson is a bench guy with handles fits in with the UCLA ties, Diaw is a vet who will enjoy the sun over there.

[Kawhitstorm]

Clarkson would be the ideal guy Combo guard who can handle the rock, pull up from 3, has a quick first step and can fly at the rim. He's from San Antonio, went to school here so he knows what to expect here and has family here.

Now sure Lakers have tons of cash to match but drive up that market and they might not want to do it.. Or offer a nice trade.. Mills/Anderson, Diaw and a first. Clarkson is a better pick than anything they'll get at 29 and it helps recoup some of those expenses. Lakers get a shooter, Anderson is a bench guy with handles fits in with the UCLA ties, Diaw is a vet who will enjoy the sun over there.

Clarkson would be MUCH cheaper than :lolDeRozan:lol b/c max contract have tiers based on experience.

[Kawhitstorm]

He'd want too much money.

He would be a cheap rental for next season & if he walks, use the cap space on another 2017 FA (G.Hill). Patty/Diaw are expendable assets so it's a win-win situation.

[szkorhetz]

I always liked Knight and as Phoenix still got a kind of jam at PG, I could see them trade him, but we would likely have to take Chandler back too, but if Duncan will retire, that's fine for me.

[TheGoldStandard]

Clarkson would be MUCH cheaper than :lolDeRozan:lol b/c max contract have tiers based on experience.

Yup, which I'm hoping Mitch just likes the name recognition and chases DeRozan and overpays for him..

Clarkson, Green, Kawhi, Aldridge, Militunov would be a great combination to build on for future success. Spurs would then have to start shopping Parker or at least make him look decent coming off the bench to package him next year as an expiring to get bench help.

Kind of bummer we don't have our 2nd pick this year.

[elemento]

Only way Tony would be involved is if a 3rd team is involved. Hawks are committed in moving forward with Schroder getting 30+ minutes at PG. No way Hawks would want to pay 15 million for a 15 minute back up PG.

Yes I agree. Maybe NY, but they would want to involve Calderon as well. I haven't checked the other teams, but maybe someone could come up with a reasonable trade idea.

[J_Paco]

Conley is going to turn 30 in a year so I would pass up on him. His asset is his quick speed and even with that he shoots a shitty FG percentage. PG's that rely heavily on speed and athletic ability historically become trash once they enter their 30's. It's hysterical how you guys hate Parker and want this guy but don't realize this guy will be Parker part 2 within a year or two.

They are mostly idiots, parroting one another. Conley isn't the answer for what we need. Teague is a a better solution, but anyone is better than having Mills as the backup and Tony still starting.

[Kawhitstorm]

I always liked Knight and as Phoenix still got a kind of jam at PG, I could see them trade him, but we would likely have to take Chandler back too, but if Duncan will retire, that's fine for me.

Knight is a terrible decision maker & is basically a rich-man's Austin Rivers.:lol (His ceiling is Jason Terry, tbh)

[Kawhitstorm]

They are mostly idiots, parroting one another. Conley isn't the answer for what we need. Teague is a a better solution, but anyone is better than having Mills as the backup and Tony still starting.

If Conley didn't have healthy issues, he's the better player b/c of his defense but neither one is a max player. Conley is essentially a quicker George Hill w/ better court vision but considering his lower extremity injuries he might not be quicker than Hill at this point of their career.

[r0drig0lac]

Conley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Teague

[kaji157]

As said before, none of them is the definitive solution for our PG position.
If you ask m i´ll go for the cheapest one. The only thing about Conley is that maybe Memphis likes a sign n trade for Tony. It would surprise me, but maybe they want some championship experience.
Jeff Teague seems to be the cheaper option, Diaw and Mills would do it, but if it takes Tony i really don´t matter as he is not doing anything great for us.

[cd98]

Teague is more selfish...Conley is better and a better defender, which is important in the west.

I'd have Tony Parker as a 6th man bc he can score on 2nd units and he won't interfere with Kawhi's development if he comes off the bench. He'd be a Manu replacement of Parker. That means Patty goes, and Id trade him. However we will have to load up on shooters if Patty goes. That will be a task.

[TD 21]

Spurs won't have to get rid of Parker for Teague.

Teague has 1 year left for 8 million, no team is really going to give up a lot if they don't have word that he'll re-sign after next year ( this hurts his value).

At the same time, the PG position is the most saturated position across the league. Not a lot of teams have that need. It's basic supply and demand economics -- less demand/higher supply -- lower asking price.

I'd prefer taking a 1 year flyer on Teague and give up Diaw/Mills and maybe a pick (if needed) to get Teague, rather than overpay Conley for 4 years after he just came off a major injury.

If Spurs traded for Teague, they can reassess their options next summer. Re-sign Teague? Look to trade TP if he regresses again (he'll have an expiring)?

I suspect the Spurs would have to add a 1st for them to seriously consider it. I still think Teague ends up with the Jazz, for either Burks (if they're comfortable with him medically)/their 1st and Neto.

Teague/Parker would be an awkward situation anyway. They can't really play together and would inevitably end up splitting minutes, which wouldn't make either happy.

I expect both Parker and Mills to be retained. That doesn't mean they can't/won't address point guard, though. Going after Grant (Knicks supposedly want a late 1st/early 2nd and Simmons could be added, if necessary) makes sense. He's big, relatively long, can penetrate, make plays and has the physical tools to guard virtually any type of guard.

[MaNu4Tres]

I suspect the Spurs would have to add a 1st to get that deal done. I still think Teague ends up with the Jazz, for either Burks (if they're comfortable with him medically)/their 1st and Neto.

Teague/Parker would be an awkward situation anyway. They can't really play together and would inevitably end up splitting minutes, which wouldn't make either happy.

I expect both Parker and Mills to be retained. That doesn't mean they can't/won't address point guard, though. Going after Grant (Knicks supposedly want a late 1st/early 2nd and Simmons could be added, if necessary) makes sense. He's big, relatively long, can penetrate, make plays and has the physical tools to guard virtually any type of guard.

To the highlighted part -- that's all subjective. Truth is, Parker actually handled his demotion surprisingly well this past year. He never complained about how his role significantly reducing and as he gets older I think he'll be more able to accept having to split duties with Teague. Just by the way he's handled it, you can see that he knows he's aging and entering the final years of his NBA career. If it was 2009 and we were debating bringing in another point guard to compete for his minutes then I'd agree, but at this stage of his career-- turning 34 years old. I think he'd be fine with it (based on how he handled his demotion this past year).

As for Teague, Spurs would do their due diligence before trying to pull a trade for Teague. I.E: SA would talk to him first about their expectations regarding splitting responsibilities w/ the opportunity to potentially start. If he'd agree and buy into the Spurs way and be willing to take on the role, then I think Spurs would pull the trigger. If not, and if Teague thinks its a problem, then I don't think Spurs would make the trade.

Regarding the Knicks, I have no idea why the Knicks would want to give up a promising young PG like Grant who still has years left on his rookie deal for a late first. They likely wouldn't get any PG in the late first round that has Grant's ability.

[TD 21]

To the highlighted part -- that's all subjective. Truth is, Parker actually handled his demotion surprisingly well this past year. He never complained about how his role significantly reducing and as he gets older I think he'll be more able to accept having to split duties with Teague. Just by the way he's handled it, you can see that he knows he's aging and entering the final years of his NBA career. If it was 2009 and we were debating bringing in another point guard to compete for his minutes then I'd agree, but at this stage of his career-- turning 34 years old. I think he'd be fine with it (based on how he handled his demotion this past year).

As for Teague, Spurs would do their due diligence before trying to pull a trade for Teague. I.E: SA would talk to him first about their expectations regarding splitting responsibilities w/ the opportunity to potentially start. If he'd agree and buy into the Spurs way and be willing to take on the role, then I think Spurs would pull the trigger. If not, and if Teague thinks its a problem, then I don't think Spurs would make the trade.

Regarding the Knicks, I have no idea why the Knicks would want to give up a promising young PG like Grant who still has years left on his rookie deal for a late first. They likely wouldn't get any PG in the late first round that has Grant's ability.

It's subjective, but it's also common sense. Parker experienced a demotion in some sense, but in another, he knew he'd be the starter and almost always the finisher because of the lack of a better option.

Due diligence or not, it's one thing to say something in the off season; it's another to live it throughout the season. I don't see how a proven starter, in his prime, in a contract year, playing for quite possibly the final significant contract of his career, could be happy playing sub 30 mpg and not being guaranteed to start or finish.

I'm not sure the Knicks give up on Grant for 29 and Simmons either, but it's worth exploring and an example of the type of move the Spurs could make.

[Kawhitstorm]

I expect both Parker and Mills to be retained. That doesn't mean they can't/won't address point guard, though. Going after Grant (Knicks supposedly want a late 1st/early 2nd and Simmons could be added, if necessary) makes sense. He's big, relatively long, can penetrate, make plays and has the physical tools to guard virtually any type of guard.

I expect Patty to be sacrificed for new blood ala G.Hill & Diaw to be dumped ala Malik Rose since has was worn out his welcome.

I believe the Knicks like Grant so someone like Raymond(:lol)Felton might be the best option if Teague/Conley can't be acquired.

[TheGoldStandard]

I expect Patty to be sacrificed for new blood ala G.Hill & Diaw to be dumped ala Malik Rose since has was worn out his welcome.

I believe the Knicks like Grant so someone like Raymond(:lol)Felton might be the best option if Teague/Conley can't be acquired.

Felton at this point is about on Par with Parker..

[Kawhitstorm]

Felton at this point is about on Par with Parker..

He's better than Patty or at least more dependable:

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[TheGoldStandard]

He's better than Patty or at least more dependable:

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Hitting all kinds of long range 3's when they match up with the Spurs.. Would prefer Calderon myself.

[CGD]

The thing about moving mills/diaw for Teague is that the Spurs could upgrade at pg and still retain the ablility to move green or Parker should they get interest from a big name like durant or Hortford.

[TheGoldStandard]

The thing about moving mills/diaw for Teague is that the Spurs could upgrade at pg and still retain the ablility to move green or Parker should they get interest from a big name like durant or Hortford.

I doubt the league would want to help us out by taking rickety old parker so we could land durant.

[Kawhitstorm]

Hitting all kinds of long range 3's when they match up with the Spurs.. Would prefer Calderon myself.

Calderon can't even keep up w/ his own shadow on defense:lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Calderon can't even keep up w/ his own shadow on defense:lol
So he's a step better than Parker