The best move this offseason might be no move at all.

[Vito Corleone]

I saw the series, I saw all our weaknesses of full display with everyone else.

In this order here is what we need.

1. A huge upgrade at Point guard
2. A center that can both rebound and play solid defense.
3. A more consistent 2 guard on the offensive end.
4. A younger bench.

Biggest weakness is TP huge waste of a contract. Dude has 35 million remaining on two more seasons. His production is that of a guy who should be making half that.

With all that said. Unless we can somehow unload Parker's huge contract I'd prefer to not just go out and spend huge money on a marginal PG that might not be any better than Parker was.

The one thing I am 100% sure of, that is that RC Buford is a witch when it comes to finding quality NBA talent.

I say let RC build this team the Spurs way, I don't want to be the LA Lakers and build this team like they build theirs...by buying players.

Now if we can address center spot with a guy like Whiteside, Harford, or even Mahinmi I'm all for that as they are a much more sure return on the investment. I'd personally throw everything at Hassan Whiteside, his age combined with the way his skillset meshes with what we have with Leonard and Aldridge make him the best fit up front.

[TheGoldStandard]

I saw the series, I saw all our weaknesses of full display with everyone else.

In this order here is what we need.

1. A huge upgrade at Point guard
2. A center that can both rebound and play solid defense.
3. A more consistent 2 guard on the offensive end.
4. A younger bench.

Biggest weakness is TP huge waste of a contract. Dude has 35 million remaining on two more seasons. His production is that of a guy who should be making half that.

With all that said. Unless we can somehow unload Parker's huge contract I'd prefer to not just go out and spend huge money on a marginal PG that might not be any better than Parker was.

The one thing I am 100% sure of, that is that RC Buford is a witch when it comes to finding quality NBA talent.

I say let RC build this team the Spurs way, I don't want to be the LA Lakers and build this team like they build theirs...by buying players.

Now if we can address center spot with a guy like Whiteside, Harford, or even Mahinmi I'm all for that as they are a much more sure return on the investment. I'd personally throw everything at Hassan Whiteside, his age combined with the way his skillset meshes with what we have with Leonard and Aldridge make him the best fit up front.


I mean this in the most sincerest way but who exactly has he really found? Kawhi in 2011? Tiago 2007? Manu in 99 and Tony in 2001? The majority of the picks in the draft have been stashes who we have no idea how they'd cut it in the NBA.

[sasaint]

I mean this in the most sincerest way but who exactly has he really found? Kawhi in 2011? Tiago 2007? Manu in 99 and Tony in 2001? The majority of the picks in the draft have been stashes who we have no idea how they'd cut it in the NBA.

The Spurs draft record is not good.


Frankly, I wouldn't mind including a pick (even though I covet Malcolm Brogdon) if we can get decent value and unload Tony's contract. For the life of me, I don't see how the Spurs ever benefit much from the draft. Of our post-TP, post-Manu picks only Tiago, briefly, and George Hill really panned out. And their greatest value was in turning into LMA and Kawhi, respectively. We have drafted mostly guys who never made it to the NBA or became journeymen, or a couple who eventually became serviceable for other teams. I think the ballyhooed Spurs player development pipeline is a big myth.

[spurs10]

There will be moves because some folks aren't coming back. We need a decision on Tim, West, and Manu. We also need to decide if Diaw stays- I don't know why he didn't play the last game, but I was hoping he'd start next to LMA. Are we keeping Mills? He had his moments in RS and was bad in the playoffs. Martin? Would going through camp help him improve on D?

So Bonner, Miller, and likely some of the above aren't returning. I'm sure they'll be diligent in their decisions- which might really depend on Tim and Manu money-wise.

[Neurosis]

Considering that you can make a lot of those upgrades with the right moves and not having to sacrifice a whole lot, I don't see why we wouldn't make changes. There's a lot of players to be found around that $5-6mil mark who fill some decent niche roles that we're in need of.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I mean this in the most sincerest way but who exactly has he really found? Kawhi in 2011? Tiago 2007? Manu in 99 and Tony in 2001? The majority of the picks in the draft have been stashes who we have no idea how they'd cut it in the NBA.

We've had pretty shitty draft position for 20 years plus. Given what he's had to work with, I think he's done a great job. It's not fair to second guess who could he have chosen that was better, after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20. It's who has done a better job with as bad an average selection position. I'm no expert. Maybe you can name a handful that have been better? Who? Is it a long list?

[Spur|n|Austin]

There will be moves because some folks aren't coming back. We need a decision on Tim, West, and Manu. We also need to decide if Diaw stays- I don't know why he didn't play the last game, but I was hoping he'd start next to LMA. Are we keeping Mills? He had his moments in RS and was bad in the playoffs. Martin? Would going through camp help him improve on D?

So Bonner, Miller, and likely some of the above aren't returning. I'm sure they'll be diligent in their decisions- which might really depend on Tim and Manu money-wise.

Diaw was a corpse, it was obvious he was not mentally in the game and had his thoughts elsewhere. I think this is the time to get a younger, more athletic replacement that also fits the Spurs culture.

[Buddy Holly]

The Spurs draft record is not good.


I mean this in the most sincerest way but who exactly has he really found? Kawhi in 2011? Tiago 2007? Manu in 99 and Tony in 2001? The majority of the picks in the draft have been stashes who we have no idea how they'd cut it in the NBA.

Y'all acting like the Spurs have been drafting in the lottery and not getting talent. Y'all scrubs know the lowest Spurs pick in the last 15 years has been 20.

The odds of getting great talent after literary is low.

[ViceCity86]

Do not max Conley!

[SilverSpur]

Duncan
Ginobilli
Diaw
Bonner
Miller
Need to retire , so there will be off season moves.
I would like to see DeSaun Thomas, Bryce Cotton and Davis Bertan join the team.
Maybe bring over Adam Hanga, Livio Jean Charles and Ryan Richards for training camp

[kaji157]

I think we are going after Hibbert for a Boban or Diaw replacement.
Either one of Diaw and West should be traded.

[TheGoldStandard]

We've had pretty shitty draft position for 20 years plus. Given what he's had to work with, I think he's done a great job. It's not fair to second guess who could he have chosen that was better, after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20. It's who has done a better job with as bad an average selection position. I'm no expert. Maybe you can name a handful that have been better? Who? Is it a long list?

We really don't know because a majority of them were just draft and stash and never address a need where we could slowly integrate them into the system when it was functioning. Sometimes there were glaring holes on the team especially on the bench and they were never addressed, instead we took a guy we could park overseas who we probably would never see on the team.

[Agloco]

I mean this in the most sincerest way but who exactly has he really found? Kawhi in 2011? Tiago 2007? Manu in 99 and Tony in 2001? The majority of the picks in the draft have been stashes who we have no idea how they'd cut it in the NBA.

Two generational talents (and likely a third one blossoming) and a solid role player.

I defy you to compare even just those examples to any other exec in the league.

[TheGoldStandard]

Two generational talents (and likely a third one blossoming) and a solid role player.

I defy you to compare even just those examples to any other exec in the league.

Umm.. OKC, GSW, Timberwolves could be in that conversation with what they are slowly building there. Milwaukee.. These were teams that were either not contending for playoff spots and they drafted well.. and I'm not talking about just lottery talent but they built a team with a deep bench and complimentary players.

[r0drig0lac]

okc? gsw? imagine SAS with three picks top10

[SouthernFried]

As long as PARKER is the starting PG...it's gonna be painful to watch.

Unfortunately, I don't see that changing. I don't think anyone in their right mind would take his contract, plus he's a SPUR. Prolly a lifer. It is what it is. Gonna be tough.

[TXstbobcat]

Duncan
Ginobilli
Diaw
Bonner
Miller
Need to retire , so there will be off season moves.
I would like to see DeSaun Thomas, Bryce Cotton and Davis Bertan join the team.
Maybe bring over Adam Hanga, Livio Jean Charles and Ryan Richards for training camp

I think that the Spurs have given up on Ryan Richards.

Would like to to see what Bertrans and LJC can do in the future.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Two generational talents (and likely a third one blossoming) and a solid role player.

I defy you to compare even just those examples to any other exec in the league.

And Cory Joseph was a great pick. And they keep finding talent like Boban, Simmons etc to plug holes. RC is a warlock.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think we are going after Hibbert for a Boban or Diaw replacement.
Either one of Diaw and West should be traded.

Boban is better than Hibbert at this point but anything is better than D-Worst playing center.:lol

[SD126]

Hibbert isn't good enough to be the 15th man on a NBA roster anymore.

[Vito Corleone]

Two generational talents (and likely a third one blossoming) and a solid role player.

I defy you to compare even just those examples to any other exec in the league.


It is unheard of what RC has been able to find at the draft positions we have been picking at. And lets not forget that there are teams that look for what RC is looking at and will swoop in and take that guy just because RC was liking him. He is that well respected in the NBA.

I hope that the formatting for what I'm posting will work, but here are all our drafts since we drafted Tim Duncan.

2015 NBA 1 26 Nikola Milutinov
2015 NBA 2 55 Cady Lalanne University of Massachusetts Amherst


2014 NBA 1 30 Kyle Anderson University of California, Los Angeles
2014 NBA 2 58 Jordan McRae University of Tennessee
2014 NBA 2 60 Cory Jefferson Baylor University

2013 NBA 1 28 Livio Jean-Charles
2013 NBA 2 58 Deshaun Thomas Ohio State University

2012 NBA 2 59 Marcus Denmon University of Missouri

2011 NBA 1 29 Cory Joseph University of Texas at Austin
2011 NBA 2 59 Adam Hanga

2010 NBA 1 20 James Anderson Oklahoma State University
2010 NBA 2 49 Ryan Richards

2009 NBA 2 37 DeJuan Blair University of Pittsburgh
2009 NBA 2 51 Jack McClinton University of Miami
2009 NBA 2 53 Nando De Colo

2008 NBA 1 26 George Hill IUPU
2008 NBA 2 45 Goran Dragic
2008 NBA 2 57 James Gist University of Maryland

2007 NBA 1 28 Tiago Splitter
2007 NBA 2 33 Marcus Williams University of Arizona
2007 NBA 2 58 Giorgos Printezis

2006 NBA 2 59 Damir Markota

2005 NBA 1 28 Ian Mahinmi

2004 NBA 1 28 Beno Udrih
2004 NBA 2 52 Romain Sato Xavier University
2004 NBA 2 57 Sergei Karaulov

2003 NBA 1 28 Leandro Barbosa

2002 NBA 1 26 John Salmons University of Miami
2002 NBA 2 55 Luis Scola
2002 NBA 2 56 Randy Holcomb San Diego State University

2001 NBA 1 28 Tony Parker
2001 NBA 2 55 Robertas Javtokas
2001 NBA 2 57 Bryan Bracey University of Oregon

2000 NBA 2 41 Chris Carrawell Duke University
2000 NBA 2 54 Cory Hightower Indian Hills Community College

1999 NBA 1 29 Leon Smith
1999 NBA 2 57 Manu Ginobili

1998 NBA 1 24 Felipe Lopez St. John's University
1998 NBA 2 52 Derrick Dial Eastern Michigan University

1997 NBA 1 1 Tim Duncan Wake Forest University

[Vito Corleone]

What you see from my above list is a lot of guys being picked after the 25th pick and an absurd hit rate on guys sticking in the NBA.

RC knows what he is doing.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Nice work, Vito.

[tholdren]

What you see from my above list is a lot of guys being picked after the 25th pick and an absurd hit rate on guys sticking in the NBA.

RC knows what he is doing.

What did any of those players do for SA? Looks like Tiago is the only example of someone who came into the league and contributed to a ring wherever the were. Im not counting Tony or Manu.

[baseline bum]

What you see from my above list is a lot of guys being picked after the 25th pick and an absurd hit rate on guys sticking in the NBA.

RC knows what he is doing.

Buford has to be the best GM the league has ever had in the draft. Three likely hall of famers with picks 15, 28, and 57 in Leonard, Parker, and Ginobili? How the hell did he see Leonard as an NBA starter with the horrible form he had on his shot? Leonard was supposed to be a power forward trapped in a small forward's body when RC drafted him. Parker was just some little fucker who looked like he'd just get bullied every night in the NBA and yet Buford pushed hard for him, hell he tried to trade into the lottery to get Parker. Two solid starters in George Hill and Tiago Splitter at the tail end of the first round? Mahinmi was one of RC's biggest failures and he still played a needed role in a title in Dallas after Brenda got hurt, and he is a starter in Indiana. Udrih and Joseph as sixth men at the tail end of the first round. Or Gordon Giricek, that guy was really solid and RC picked him in the 40s, but the Spurs had no room for him on the roster with how good Ginobili had become in Italy. James Anderson would have been another really good pick had he not broken his foot, he was really playing well his rookie year. Buford had locked in on Nenad Krstic when he was 16 and that would have been a hell of a pick had the Nets not figured out he was the bigman RC was in love with, and swooped in to steal him right before the Spurs picked. Man if the Spurs had anything like RC in Robinson's prime when they were blowing drafts every year.