View Full Version : Winning another championship as the best player should cement Kawhi's legacy as..
apalisoc_9
05-20-2016, 06:07 PM
The Second best spur ever.
Crazy how much he's exceeded expectations.
ducks
05-20-2016, 06:13 PM
I care more about spur titles then cement kawhi's legacy
apalisoc_9
05-20-2016, 06:19 PM
I care more about spur titles then cement kawhi's legacy
We all do..
spursistan
05-20-2016, 06:34 PM
:pop: "Why win another championships as the lead guy? how about 32 MPG and another 10 rest games in 2017 as you enter your prime next season? the the system will take care of the rest..you are just another cog in it "
From a legacy perspective, he broke through in 2014, but I don't think 2014 seals anything. He's improved dramatically from last year to this year, but he needs to take another big step to get above Robinson and Manu and probably Parker.
To be honest, I'd trade Kawhi for a young David Robinson without a second thought. Imagine having Robinson in this era.
r0drig0lac
05-20-2016, 07:02 PM
To be honest, I'd trade Kawhi for a young David Robinson without a second thought. Imagine having Robinson in this era.
agree, imagine D-Rob playing in the league today, damn
timtonymanu
05-20-2016, 07:03 PM
Only Pop can hold this team back
kobyz
05-20-2016, 07:06 PM
lol winning a championship, first win a round as best player, don't get barnsed...
aal04
05-20-2016, 07:12 PM
Give me Robinson 11 times out of 10. Even FMVP/DPOY kawhi
spursistan
05-20-2016, 07:14 PM
Only Pop can hold this team back
J_Paco
05-20-2016, 07:25 PM
Only an idiot would say such nonsense. How about leading the team, cause you realize this is a "team" sport, back to the WCF first.
TheGreatYacht
05-20-2016, 07:27 PM
He hasn't even showed up for a FULL series, meaning each game :lol
He will never win a championship as the top guy. He's a third banana tbh
Kawhitstorm
05-20-2016, 07:32 PM
From a legacy perspective, he broke through in 2014, but I don't think 2014 seals anything. He's improved dramatically from last year to this year, but he needs to take another big step to get above Robinson and Manu and probably Parker.
All Porker had going for him was the 2007 FMVP & finishing top 5 in MVP voting. Well, Kawhi has the FMVP & finished 2nd in MVP, not to mention his DPOY & All-NBA 1st Team honors.
Kawhitstorm
05-20-2016, 07:33 PM
He hasn't even showed up for a FULL series, meaning each game :lol
He will never win a championship as the top guy. He's a third banana tbh
You mean like 2008 KG?:wakeup
TheGreatYacht
05-20-2016, 07:38 PM
You mean like 2008 KG?:wakeup
Perfect comparison tbh.
He's the KG of Small Forwards. Was always the third best player in his position when he played, came up short in the playoffs, shot too many mid range shots at times, etc.
Spurs_619
05-20-2016, 07:44 PM
He hasn't even showed up for a FULL series, meaning each game :lol
He will never win a championship as the top guy. He's a third banana tbh
Do you really think a team couldn't win with kawhi as a second option? I knew you were had like zero basketball knowledge but damn you might actually be downs.
TheGreatYacht
05-20-2016, 08:05 PM
Do you really think a team couldn't win with kawhi as a second option? I knew you were had like zero basketball knowledge but damn you might actually be downs.
If Steph breaks his ankles, Durant leaves the Thunder, and Lebron fails a drug test... Absolutely
All Porker had going for him was the 2007 FMVP & finishing top 5 in MVP voting. Well, Kawhi has the FMVP & finished 2nd in MVP, not to mention his DPOY & All-NBA 1st Team honors.
Regardless of ignorance of some, Parker has been a good player for years. Kawhi may be better, but he hasn't played as long and proven to be this good every year. Parker has had a HOF career. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't know basketball.
Play Boban
05-20-2016, 08:50 PM
Kawhi might be one of the top 5 Spurs eventually, but he surely isn't yet. He could have a career-ending injury next season and he'd not even be in the top 10. Longevity has to count for something. Duncan, Manu, and Parker (and previously Robinson, Iceman, etc.) have been doing this thing a long time... There's a good chance Kawhi won't even be in the league at age 38-40, as Duncan and Ginobili are. Most players are washed up long before that.
I am not hating on Kawhi, BTW, but he's basically had one great season, and we got bounced in the second round of the playoffs then. Let's see some more before we start anointing him as one of the all-time great Spurs.
JohnnyMax
05-20-2016, 08:53 PM
are you the guy who's been creating these anti-David Robinson threads?
If it's dominant like 2003 Duncan sure......But if it's best player like 2014 finals then no. Robison is just so much better as a player.
Kawhitstorm
05-20-2016, 09:24 PM
Regardless of ignorance of some, Parker has been a good player for years. Kawhi may be better, but he hasn't played as long and proven to be this good every year. Parker has had a HOF career. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't know basketball.
When it mattered, Porker played like a HOFer for an ENTIRE championship run ONLY in 2007.:wakeup
Kawhitstorm
05-20-2016, 09:27 PM
Perfect comparison tbh.
He's the KG of Small Forwards. Was always the third best player in his position when he played, came up short in the playoffs, shot too many mid range shots at times, etc.
Except his fortunes have been the reverse of KG's thus far, which means he will be raising banners during his peak since KG was toiling in mediocrity.:toast
Kawhitstorm
05-20-2016, 09:29 PM
He's basically had one great season, and we got bounced in the second round of the playoffs
You mean like Admiral during the majority his PRIME?:wakeup
apalisoc_9
05-20-2016, 09:31 PM
You mean like Admiral during the majority his PRIME?:wakeup
Had to be carried by a sophomore. admiral :lmao
spurraider21
05-20-2016, 09:34 PM
You mean like Admiral during the majority his PRIME?:wakeup
leonard's teams thus far >>>>> admirals team during his prime
laughable to compare tbh. basically admiral never was basically ever able to do what '03 duncan did, but that's a ridiculous standard. we haven't seen leonard on a talentless team like that yet.
When it mattered, Porker played like a HOFer for an ENTIRE championship run ONLY in 2007.:wakeup
Like I said, regardless of the ignorance of some, Parker has had a HOF career.
leonard's teams thus far >>>>> admirals team during his prime
laughable to compare tbh. basically admiral never was basically ever able to do what '03 duncan did, but that's a ridiculous standard. we haven't seen leonard on a talentless team like that yet.
Mono question he wins a title in his prime if he had Manu and Parker and Bowen.
You mean like Admiral during the majority his PRIME?:wakeup
Did David ever have a teammate make an all star team during his prime? Sean Elliott, I guess. Sean was good, but not great.
dbreiden83080
05-20-2016, 10:08 PM
Tough to replace Robinson in that spot. But he doesn't need to win another championship. Just stay healthy and keep playing at this level and he is going to the Hall of Fame.
Kawhitstorm
05-20-2016, 10:20 PM
Did David ever have a teammate make an all star team during his prime? Sean Elliott, I guess. Sean was good, but not great.
******/Rodamn:wakeup
Sean Cagney
05-20-2016, 11:01 PM
lol winning a championship, first win a round as best player, don't get barnsed...
He helped Sweep Barnes team this year TBH, that Barnes thing didn't work this time. I agree though the aim is to win a title and the earlier exits are not a good look.
It's time for him to become the BEAST and take over games and a series, then I will say he is the 2nd best Spur ever but he is honestly FAR off from that right now.
kobyz
05-21-2016, 12:32 AM
He helped Sweep Barnes team this year TBH, that Barnes thing didn't work this time. I agree though the aim is to win a title and the earlier exits are not a good look.
It's time for him to become the BEAST and take over games and a series, then I will say he is the 2nd best Spur ever but he is honestly FAR off from that right now.
I don't count the Memphis series, they wasn't an nba team...
Down Under
05-21-2016, 09:35 AM
No one's winning anything while Danny Green's playing 31mpg
apalisoc_9
05-21-2016, 09:43 AM
I don't count the Memphis series, they wasn't an nba team...
Should leave now bro. This is going to be kawhi's team for another 10 years
daslicer
05-21-2016, 10:02 AM
Should leave now bro. This is going to be kawhi's team for another 10 years
Looking forward to how creative your execuses are going to be for his shortcomings the next 10 years.
******/Rodamn:wakeup
He quit on the team and was a distraction.
kaji157
05-21-2016, 02:10 PM
Should leave now bro. This is going to be kawhi's team for another 10 years
And there is a very high probability that the Spurs never win a championship again.
I donīt know if you realize what it takes to win a championship in a full season.
2003 Duncan dominated thru out the playoffs and finals.
2005 Manu dominated thru the playoffs and finals.
2007 Probably the easiest title in our era, just like last year for GS. I remember Tony dominating the finals, Manu clicking in the Jazz series... not much more.
2014 Planets aligned and we had the perfect teamwork, Manu and Tim rejuvenated for the finals and Kawhi dominated 3 games.
tholdren
05-22-2016, 02:33 PM
And there is a very high probability that the Spurs never win a championship again.
I donīt know if you realize what it takes to win a championship in a full season.
2003 Duncan dominated thru out the playoffs and finals.
2005 Manu dominated thru the playoffs and finals.
2007 Probably the easiest title in our era, just like last year for GS. I remember Tony dominating the finals, Manu clicking in the Jazz series... not much more.
2014 Planets aligned and we had the perfect teamwork, Manu and Tim rejuvenated for the finals and Kawhi dominated 3 games.
That's the problem. KL gifted the FMVP to bring a new era of ticket purchasers to SA. Fine, but he's not a first option, maybe not a second. Spurs have to pick up a star or a couple of scorers. KL and LMA crumble under pressure. KL fans forget every Playoffs he's had except FMVP playoffs... convenient.
daslicer
05-22-2016, 02:48 PM
And there is a very high probability that the Spurs never win a championship again.
I donīt know if you realize what it takes to win a championship in a full season.
2003 Duncan dominated thru out the playoffs and finals.
2005 Manu dominated thru the playoffs and finals.
2007 Probably the easiest title in our era, just like last year for GS. I remember Tony dominating the finals, Manu clicking in the Jazz series... not much more.
2014 Planets aligned and we had the perfect teamwork, Manu and Tim rejuvenated for the finals and Kawhi dominated 3 games.
Agreed I would just add to this that you need a lot of luck to win a championship.
'99 ****** hits the memorial day miracle against the Blazers
'05 Horry hits the game winning 3 against the Pistons. If that 3 doesn't go down I'm convinced the Spurs lose that series.
'14 Manu and Diaw hit clutch shots in the 4th against the Mavs in game 4. The Spurs were on the verge of going down 3-1 if it wasn't for the clutch plays of Manu and Diaw in the final 3 minutes of that game.
In '03 and '07 I felt the Spurs didn't need luck they were clearly better than the teams they played.
YGWHI
05-22-2016, 04:53 PM
KL fans forget every Playoffs he's had except FMVP playoffs... convenient.
Not really. Despite the Spurs elimination, people shouldn't forget 2016 Kawhi playoffs.
He finished #2 in PER with 29.6, #1 in steal per game, #8 in blocks per game, #1 in Def Rtg among perimeter players (96), 22.5 ppg on 50 FG%...
The Spurs don't have a player with those numbers on both ends in playoffs since Tim.
TD 21
05-22-2016, 04:53 PM
Leonard doesn't have one championship as the best player. Duncan was still the best player on the team in '14. Finals MVP is a foolish award because it doesn't take into account the entirety of the playoffs.
YGWHI
05-22-2016, 05:10 PM
Parker has been a good player for years. Kawhi may be better, but he hasn't played as long and proven to be this good every year.
Because he hasn't played that long we should compare both players at the same stage in their careers.
It's clear that Kawhi in his first 5 years had more individual success and accolades than Parker in his first 5 seasons.
Kawhi finished his 5th season with 1 DPOY, being #2 in MVP, All-NBA 1st team, All-Defensive 1st team, to add his FMVP, other DPOY, other All-Defensive 1st team and one All-Defensive 2nd team...We can't say the same about Parker's first years.
Hoops Czar
05-22-2016, 05:28 PM
Should leave now bro. This is going to be kawhi's team for another 10 years
Another championship will cement his legacy? Um no bro, he still hasn't gotten out of the 2nd round of the playoffs as the number one option and that's only if you consider quite possibly the worst playoff teams off all-time a series win (I don't). No kudos from for winning a championship as the help otherwise, it's Bonner 2, Leonard 1.
Not really. Despite the Spurs elimination, people shouldn't forget 2016 Kawhi playoffs.
He finished #2 in PER with 29.6, #1 in steal per game, #8 in blocks per game, #1 in Def Rtg among perimeter players (96), 22.5 ppg on 50 FG%...
The Spurs don't have a player with those numbers on both ends in playoffs since Tim.
And we got bounced in the second round, who cares.
Kawhi lead team the last two years have led to a 1st round exit both years(we got a bye this year)
YGWHI
05-22-2016, 05:44 PM
This is going to be kawhi's team for another 10 years
IDK...I can see Kawhi winning two more rings in other uniform when he reaches his prime.
If the Spurs can't get younger, faster, taller in 2017, they should trade him and tank in 2018, it would be the best for both parties.
YGWHI
05-22-2016, 05:46 PM
And we got bounced in the second round, who cares.
Having a player of his caliber, still young and improving every year?
A player who can do these things on the offensive end while he's also the best defender in the league?
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Should care.
YGWHI
05-22-2016, 05:51 PM
Kawhi lead team the last two years have led to a 1st round exit both years(we got a bye this year)
The Spurs were eliminated in first round and 2nd round before, even in Duncan Era.
Overreacting here about "Kawhi won't win a ring being the main guy" "Bonner>Kawhi" it's just stupid.
YGWHI
05-22-2016, 06:22 PM
Leonard doesn't have one championship as the best player. Duncan was still the best player on the team in '14. Finals MVP is a foolish award because it doesn't take into account the entirety of the playoffs.
Well, if that's the case, DRob, Parker, Manu either. Just Tim.
Horse
05-22-2016, 06:31 PM
That's the problem. KL gifted the FMVP to bring a new era of ticket purchasers to SA. Fine, but he's not a first option, maybe not a second. Spurs have to pick up a star or a couple of scorers. KL and LMA crumble under pressure. KL fans forget every Playoffs he's had except FMVP playoffs... convenient.
Gifted? He went off all while guarding the nbas best player you people are ridiculous!
SD126
05-22-2016, 06:57 PM
Legacy?? I've heard it all. Smh
MaNu4Tres
05-22-2016, 07:21 PM
Leonard doesn't have one championship as the best player. Duncan was still the best player on the team in '14. Finals MVP is a foolish award because it doesn't take into account the entirety of the playoffs.
Couldn't agree more. MVP should be Playoff MVP-- not Finals Imo..
Same goes for 2007, the finals was the Spurs vs. Suns in the Semi's and Duncan was an absolute monster. Parker cherry picked the MVP by having a favorable matchup vs. Boobie Gibson in a series Spurs could have won without him. Yeah I said it, Spurs could have won the 2007 Finals without Tony. Duncan should have won the 2007 MVP because he was the best player the playoff run.
Hoops Czar
05-22-2016, 07:24 PM
The third best spur ever.
Crazy how much he's exceeded expectations.
Actually, now that I thought about it, no way in hell is Leonard better than prime Ginobili.
TrainOfThought5
05-22-2016, 07:34 PM
Well, if that's the case, DRob, Parker, Manu either. Just Tim.
Yes. Thats not a secret.
Amuseddaysleeper
05-22-2016, 07:46 PM
Actually, now that I thought about it, no way in hell is Leonard better than prime Ginobili.
Yup, prime Manu is #3 all time Spurs for me.
SASdynasty!
05-22-2016, 10:04 PM
Let's start with Kawhi leading this team to the WCF as the best player on the team first.
UNT Eagles 2016
05-22-2016, 10:19 PM
We should do Leonard a good deed and deal him to the champs for Ibaka and Kanter.
playbonner15
05-22-2016, 10:24 PM
Spurs probably aren't going to win again
Fuck this :depressed
LongtimeSpursFan
05-22-2016, 11:13 PM
TBH I don't think he's even cracked the top 10 all time spurs. He's still iffy on besting Sean or Mitchell.
kaji157
05-23-2016, 12:42 AM
Well, if that's the case, DRob, Parker, Manu either. Just Tim.
Ginobili was the best player during the 2005 run, the Finals are under discussion, but he was clearly Playoffs MVP if existed.
Clipper Nation
05-23-2016, 05:39 AM
He hasn't even showed up for a FULL series, meaning each game :lol
He will never win a championship as the top guy. He's a third banana tbh
He's already won a ring as the alpha, unlike Porker :lol
TheGreatYacht
05-23-2016, 06:01 AM
He's already won a ring as the alpha, unlike Porker :lol
Parker led the team in scoring that year, in the regular season and in the playoffs, open your Pinoy eyes up and check the stats :lol
I'd trade 10 Kawhbetas for 1 Duralpha
TheGreatYacht
05-23-2016, 06:03 AM
As it stands:
1. Duncan
2. Robinson
3. Parker
4. Gervin
5. Manu
YGWHI
05-23-2016, 08:45 AM
Yes. Thats not a secret.
Well, it's not a secret, it was just Tim Duncan. But since there are guys in this thread saying that Manu, Parker already did it, I thought someone should point out that.
kaji157
05-23-2016, 10:15 AM
Well, it's not a secret, it was just Tim Duncan. But since there are guys in this thread saying that Manu, Parker already did it, I thought someone should point out that.
So you are saying that Ginobili was not Spurs best player throughout 2005 playoffs?
I agree Parker didnīt do it, he was not the best player in 2014 nor in 2007, i put Duncan in 2007 and Tim or Manu in 2014.
Ed Helicopter Jones
05-23-2016, 12:57 PM
Kawhi won't supplant Robinson as the second best Spur ever.
Replace Kawhi with an in-his-prime Robinson on this year's team and they might not have lost a game.
Ed Helicopter Jones
05-23-2016, 12:59 PM
I'll temper that last post by saying that I hope Kawhi can put the Spurs on his back and lead them to a championship. 2015 and 2016 are showing me that he'll need support to get there. Even Lebron needed Wade and Bosh to win a title. No harm in that.
TDfan2007
05-23-2016, 02:56 PM
The Second best spur ever.
Crazy how much he's exceeded expectations.
Kawhi isn't even close to being at David's level offensively, so no. Kawhi is playing with another all-star and several HOF players, and he's managed the same playoff success as David did with those shit teams (aka none).
You could eventually make the argument for Kawhi over Manu or Tony, but gtfo with this number 2 business.
So far Kawhi as the number 1 option has led to this:
-Disappearing act in last year's playoffs after a monster start = 1st round exit
-Inconsistent play and outplayed by his key rival in this last series = embarrassing 2nd round exit after a historic season
Even if he does lead the Spurs to a title, which I hope he does, I wouldn't compare him to David, because David never had the chance to lead a team as good as any that Kawhi has played on.
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