every body wants TIM & MANU to retire, but have you thought about this

[Prose]

i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an identity for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...
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[Leebrix]

No... nobody has though about this.

Fuckin dumbass

[Prose]

I'm talking about the money issue specifically...:rolleyes who could you get for that money with cap increasing next year?

[Poolboy5623]

Well Duncan was basically useless against okc...I'd hope for 5.6, they can find someone that would actually see the floor?

[Hoops Czar]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.

[Keepin' it real]

Everybody?

[Prose]

Well Duncan was basically useless against okc...I'd hope for 5.6, they can find someone that would actually see the floor?

actually he had the highest +/- of anybody in the series for both teams (I believe +10), and that was achieved with his deteriorating body he can still will the team to victory. The team feel apart when he left the floor, i think the problem was the type of bigs we had around him and playing him and LMA together maybe isn't so great considering LMA does nothing on defense/boards. I think OKC is the only team that would expose us like, as far as their bigs vs our bigs.

[Prose]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.

I wish TP would be our 6th man!!! no way him or pop would do that though...pop loves andre miller so imagine how he feels about tony

[Sean Cagney]

Well Duncan was basically useless against okc...I'd hope for 5.6, they can find someone that would actually see the floor?

I wouldn't fully say useless because those last two games he came alive, then again maybe the last game it was just adrenaline and his last game we see him so he had one left in that tank.

[Kawhitstorm]

actually he had the highest +/- of anybody in the series for both teams (I believe +10), and that was achieved with his deteriorating body he can still will the team to victory. The team feel apart when he left the floor, i think the problem was the type of bigs we had around him and playing him and LMA together maybe isn't so great considering LMA does nothing on defense/boards. I think OKC is the only team that would expose us like, as far as their bigs vs our bigs.

Kobe scored 60 in his final game but still had the worst shooting percentage in the league.:wakeup

[AFMadison]

Kobe score 60 in his final game but still had the worst shooting percentage in the league.:wakeup
Damn dude killing that emoji

[Kawhitstorm]

Damn dude killing that emoji

:wakeup

[BSfromTX]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.


I see see this take all the time. While true I some regards, it's still a typical underestimate of what Manu has done for the last 11 years. "Glue of the second unit"? Give me an fn break. He has closed out games his entire career. The onlyreason he was ever a 6th man was to simply spread out the offense and Manu was most accepting to coming off the bench to do so.
So many idiots in here are oblivious to what Manu has done over the years and have bought in to this 6 th man crap. He was always way beyond that.. A washing machine? You are an idiot trying to appease to the rest of the teenagers in this forum. Quit trying to sound cool and bring a real take.

[AFMadison]

:wakeup
:wakeup

[SAGirl]

Yes...it's up to them though. Like Pop says worrying about it is pointless. The hope is that you add what they were going to earn to the cap and find viable solutions. Intangibles are gone but it wasn't going to last forever. The flipside of the coin is having him on the roster in a fossil like Kobe state. I hope that's not the case bc that's very unlike him.

[palangi]

I guess it will be time for kawhi and LMA to step up and be leaders. It's funny to watch some of you live in nostalgia. This isn't 2010 anymore. Even the 49ers knew when to let one of the all time great QBs go in Joe Montana. They also let the all time great WR Jerry Rice go.

[Hoops Czar]

I see see this take all the time. While true I some regards, it's still a typical underestimate of what Manu has done for the last 11 years. "Glue of the second unit"? Give me an fn break. He has closed out games his entire career. The onlyreason he was ever a 6th man was to simply spread out the offense and Manu was most accepting to coming off the bench to do so.
So many idiots in here are oblivious to what Manu has done over the years and have bought in to this 6 th man crap. He was always way beyond that.. A washing machine? You are an idiot trying to appease to the rest of the teenagers in this forum. Quit trying to sound cool and bring a real take.

2007-12 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. People get old, deal with it. I don't know how the rest of this is even pertinent to the discussion. Once upon a time, Manu was great, therefore, he should continue to sabotage the team with his poor play? He can no longer lead the second unit. He can no longer be the de facto back up pg. He can no longer play 20 minutes a game and be effective on a nightly basis. He can no longer carry Paddy Mills. If Ginobili wants to be fresh for the playoffs, he would need to start his season in March, not November because his effectiveness goes right down the shitter with every passing game.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

lol Manu was easily top 3 bench player in the league this season.

we can't get better players than Tim and Manu for similar money.

A lot of people here want an excellent team to get a lot worse it seems.

[Sean Cagney]

2007-12 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. People get old, deal with it. I don't know how the rest of this is even pertinent to the discussion. Once upon a time, Manu was great, therefore, he should continue to sabotage the team with his poor play? He can no longer lead the second unit. He can no longer be the de facto back up pg. He can no longer play 20 minutes a game and be effective on a nightly basis. He can no longer carry Paddy Mills. If Ginobili wants to be fresh for the playoffs, he would need to start his season in March, not November because his effectiveness goes right down the shitter with every passing game.Hell 2014 playoffs Manu seems light years away from his state right now. He is a shell of that even.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

If people think the Kawhi and LMA duo surrounded by crap gets us 60 wins they're delusional.

Especially if Pop doesn't find ways to overhaul the stagnant starter's offense.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Hell 2014 playoffs Manu seems light years away from his state right now. He is a shell of that even.

Don't trust your eye-test biased from a series where everything ended hopelessly.

Manu's objective numbers are still among the top bench players in the league.

Almost no one has his impact. Arguably only Iguodala is better.

Many people probably think someone like Jamal Crawford and various other bench scorers are great but there is a reason we always win many more games than those teams and a big part of that was still a Manu-led bench.

[SD126]

Don't trust your eye-test biased from a series where everything ended hopelessly.

Manu's objective numbers are still among the top bench players in the league.

Almost no one has his impact. Arguably only Iguodala is better.

Many people probably think someone like Jamal Crawford and various other bench scorers are great but there is a reason we always win many more games than those teams and a big part of that was still a Manu-led bench.

Only thing he still impacts is your brain fried, delusional thinking that he still has it.

[Hoops Czar]

If people think the Kawhi and LMA duo surrounded by crap gets us 60 wins they're delusional.

Especially if Pop doesn't find ways to overhaul the stagnant starter's offense.

I know this is just a cute way of throwing Parker under the bus but the Starter's offense is stagnant in large part because of LMA and Leonard ISO. 4/5's of the Starters aren't going anywhere so there isn't going to be an overhaul.

[SD126]

I know this is just a cute way of throwing Parker under the bus but the Starter's offense is stagnant in large part because of LMA and Leonard ISO. 4/5's of the Starters aren't going anywhere so there isn't going to be an overhaul.

Sadly, this will be the likely outcome.

[TheGreatYacht]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.
Truth bomb

[Pocho La Pantera]

No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it

[palangi]

No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it
Hey this guy has a crystal ball! He can tell the future! Amazing!

[Gagnrath]

The spurs have a problem.... Drafting in the 20s and 40s year after year gets you projects and bench players.... Even doing fairly well with it will leave you flaws and a dearth of starting material players.... When the all time great players that got you there decline a d retire your draft picks go up and you get new blood to replace them.... The spurs lucked into a mid first round pick being a legit top 10 player in the league and then got a top tier big in Aldridge.... Even surrounded by replacement level players those two would be a 4 or 5 seed most years. This trashes future drafting. Get a few project players the next 2 years in the draft and some mid level exception talent to fill the roster and in 3 Yeats you have a legit contender, meanwhile you are treading water as a dark horse hoping injuries and breaks come your way...

It can be argued that in order to be a legit year in year out contender you need 2 half of fame level players near their primes.... The jury is still out on this team having even 1 in their prime.

[TheDoctor]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.

To be fair, il castrato was that glue guy until Ryan Anderson's wrath layed on his balls.

[TheDoctor]

No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it
Like yes Tim and yes Manu exit vs Clippers?

[LkrFan]

No... nobody has though about this.

Fuckin dumbass

:lol

[SAGirl]

No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it
Disagree they don't tip the scales at this point. Grizzlies series was a gimme and not on them. Both unable to tip the scales in the second series. Appreciation for them is blinding you. A difference maker is going to have to be a FA.

[Chinook]

Really need to restrict thread-starting privileges.

[cd021]

i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an identity for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...
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I am not sure where you got those numbers from but Duncan is scheduled to make almost $6.4 while Manu is going to make $2.9.

that is 9.3 between them. If the cap hits 92 million, Duncan retires and Diaw is moved for no returning player then they Spurs could have around $17 million in cap.

Duncan and Manu are my favorites but I would like Duncan to retire. I am anxious for the next chapter of the team to begin and if Duncan returns that would make it more difficult to improve the team.

[daledondale]

Really need to restrict thread-starting privileges.

[Prose]

we can't get better players than Tim and Manu for similar money.

A lot of people here want an excellent team to get a lot worse it seems.


i agree, i didn't start this tread bc i want them to come back, my point was we are in an apparent no win situation, i guess at some point you have to bite the bullet instead of passing the problem to next year

[Prose]

I am not sure where you got those numbers from but Duncan is scheduled to make almost $6.4 while Manu is going to make $2.9.

that is 9.3 between them. If the cap hits 92 million, Duncan retires and Diaw is moved for no returning player then they Spurs could have around $17 million in cap.

Duncan and Manu are my favorites but I would like Duncan to retire. I am anxious for the next chapter of the team to begin and if Duncan returns that would make it more difficult to improve the team.
sure 9.3 is the actually cap hit...you know what players make around 6.4 million next year? jonas drebko and derrick william and spencer hawes....

[Prose]

Kobe scored 60 in his final game but still had the worst shooting percentage in the league.:wakeup

you know that wasn't even a real game...both teams were out of the playoffs and just wanted to a put a show on...kobe shot 50 times in that game...duncan playing in the playoffs vs the thunder is completely a different ballgame. How does kobe have any thing to do with duncans +/-

[ducks]

was manu really good though this year?

[cd021]

Manu had an excellent start to the season but his numbers dropped off following returning from surgery. Duncan look like he lost his legs late in the year like West. It is weird to see Duncan miss around the rim, he is usually excellent at finishing there.

[Prose]

Manu had an excellent start to the season but his numbers dropped off following returning from surgery. Duncan look like he lost his legs late in the year like West. It is weird to see Duncan miss around the rim, he is usually excellent at finishing there.

i think the nail in the coffin is duncan has been balling all these year one one good right knee, i believe finally this year that right knee game out. He finally started wearing two knee braces

[Keepin' it real]

Really need to restrict thread-starting privileges.

B-b-but that's one of the things that makes spurstalk so much better than other sites. That plus the fact that everyone can be racist, misogynistic, homophobic, etc., with no repercussions.

:wakeup

[kaji157]

i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an identity for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...
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I agree in that i don´t think that in next year´s market you would be able to get anything that really provides more than them for their value.

Spurs best chance is to roll with them one more year if they want to.

7 millions won´t be that much in a marker with a lot of teams with space and very few stars.

[cd021]

sure 9.3 is the actually cap hit...you know what players make around 6.4 million next year? jonas drebko and derrick william and spencer hawes....

I am not saying that Duncan is not valuable, he is a great rim protector and rebounder and is an excellent passer among other things but he is tying up cap space and seems to be declining rapidly. I would not be opposed to him coming back but I am prepare for him to retire.

[Kawhitstorm]

yo How does kobe have any thing to do with duncans +/-

Ever heard of an aberration?:wakeup

[cd021]

sure 9.3 is the actually cap hit...you know what players make around 6.4 million next year? jonas drebko and derrick william and spencer hawes....

No one is debating how valuable Duncan was for the price not sure why you are bringing them up. Kobe made more than Kawhi but that does not make Kawhi appear any more valuable than he already is.

[cd021]

lol Manu was easily top 3 bench player in the league this season.

we can't get better players than Tim and Manu for similar money.

A lot of people here want an excellent team to get a lot worse it seems.

Manu would have won 6th man had he not got injured. :lol at Jamal Crawford wining it.

Manu is more difficult to be replace IMO. Spurs have two play makers and losing one while other has a tendency to wear down is far from ideal.

Duncan does things that are difficult to replace but I feel like the Spurs can adapt

[cd021]

i think the nail in the coffin is duncan has been balling all these year one one good right knee, i believe finally this year that right knee game out. He finally started wearing two knee braces

Hard to believe that a year ago he torched 'Dre Jordan for 18 ppg on 60% shooting in the 1st round. The wheels appear to be falling off, the may be a few lug nuts that are still keeping them on but they are certainly loose.

[Mal]

It`s not like they will die or something. There is always a moment to go, I think it`s time.

[Pocho La Pantera]

Hey this guy has a crystal ball! He can tell the future! Amazing! exactly, and I see in my crystal ball that you are an idiot and will always be.

[Hoops Czar]

Some people just don't want the healing process to begin. They're content with holding on to past memories.

[skulls138]

I see see this take all the time. While true I some regards, it's still a typical underestimate of what Manu has done for the last 11 years. "Glue of the second unit"? Give me an fn break. He has closed out games his entire career. The onlyreason he was ever a 6th man was to simply spread out the offense and Manu was most accepting to coming off the bench to do so.
So many idiots in here are oblivious to what Manu has done over the years and have bought in to this 6 th man crap. He was always way beyond that.. A washing machine? You are an idiot trying to appease to the rest of the teenagers in this forum. Quit trying to sound cool and bring a real take.In his prime, Manu was also a 6th man because when he was on the court, it seemed like the Spurs had 6 players on the court, especially on D. Opposing teams couldnt relax when he was on the floor....ever. Complete badass. Titles dont lie.

[Thomas82]

i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an identity for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...
:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

Cosign!!

[palangi]

exactly, and I see in my crystal ball that you are an idiot and will always be.
Hey pocho the fortune teller. I think your ball to is broken. You are now useless!

[LongtimeSpursFan]

i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an identity for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...
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i thought you were going to ask who is going to replace them in HEB commercials.

[Slippy]

Tim, Manu and even Tony all should go out on their terms. Im sure the spurs recognize they will do the right thing by the club. Its how pop handles in the end.

[Prose]

Ever heard of an aberration?:wakeup

really? :wakeup

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I don't want Tim and Manu to retire. I wouldn't say everybody, or every body, wants them to retire.

[sammy]

You are an idiot! Manu is the reason that second unit gels!

[sammy]

I don't want Tim and Manu to retire. I wouldn't say everybody, or every body, wants them to retire.

I agree! One more year for Timmy & Manu! They just need to sign an athletic big to counteract Adams, that was their problem in the playoffs!

[hater]

Well Duncan was basically useless against okc...I'd hope for 5.6, they can find someone that would actually see the floor?

[hater]

A washing machine could replace Manu.

Why the hate towards washing machines????

[Capster]

Everybody??? Not so fast son. Your generalization is stupid.

[Capster]

Really need to restrict thread-starting privileges.
Agree!

[dav4463]

I see see this take all the time. While true I some regards, it's still a typical underestimate of what Manu has done for the last 11 years. "Glue of the second unit"? Give me an fn break. He has closed out games his entire career. The onlyreason he was ever a 6th man was to simply spread out the offense and Manu was most accepting to coming off the bench to do so.
So many idiots in here are oblivious to what Manu has done over the years and have bought in to this 6 th man crap. He was always way beyond that.. A washing machine? You are an idiot trying to appease to the rest of the teenagers in this forum. Quit trying to sound cool and bring a real take.

Manu and Tim have done so much for this team. They can play as long as they want in my opinion.

[SuperCam]

tbh with the way hater's takes have gone in the playoffs spurs should probably cut Tim and Manu tomorrow

[TheGreatYacht]

tbh with the way hater's takes have gone in the playoffs spurs should probably cut Tim and Manu tomorrow
Agreed, Manure gotta go. Won't happen though he has a player option :pctoss:

[hater]

tbh with the way hater's takes have gone in the playoffs spurs should probably cut Tim and Manu tomorrow

Thanks brotha.

[BackHome]

Your right if they leave we really can't get anyone to replace them. Teams are going to be offering insane amount of money this summer for crappy players. I would pass and go all in 2017. Still we could see what we have with Simmons and Betrans and try to sign Paul for the MLE.

It would be nice to have all our draft picks not playing for us come in for Summer League and pick the best guy who will fit in after Tim and Manu leave.

[hater]

:lol what is this bullshit that we can't get 2 stiffs to replace these corpses??

Shit. Keep Boban and you already have a Duncan replacement. Boban >>> 2016 Timmy


And Manu? R u kidding me??? Fucking Randy Foye outplayed his ass :lol hell trade for Grievous Vasquez and you have an upgrade over him.

They got to go