Kawhi is the most overrated player in the world....

[SequSpur]

Come on! We lost because he is not a superstar! Superstars win! Losers Lose! L.

[YGWHI]

Curry's team is losing 1-3 the series...

LeBron lost 3 Finals...

Durant lost in 2nd round, WCF and the Finals

Westbrook's team couldn't make the playoffs last season

Kawhi's a superstar and lost like the rest of them.

[spursistan]

Begging to get pinked, I see :lol..

[hater]

I like kawhi/lamar tandem. We did not lose because of they. The rest of the team and coaching staff failed them.

Save green. Green the only one who showed up

[tholdren]

Curry's team is losing their series...

LeBron lost 3 Finals...

Durant lost in 2nd round, WCF and the Finals

Westbrook's team couldn't make the playoffs last season

Kawhi's a superstar and lost like the rest of them.
No he isn't

[YGWHI]

No he isn't
Poor little troll.

While you continue your "Kawhi sucks" act in every thread...he keeps adding more and more records and awards to his list of accolades, DPOY in consecutive years, finished #2 in MVP, All NBA Defense 1st team for 2nd consecutive season.

Just 24 years old :claw

[BatManu20]

Speaking of L's... this thread is fitting.

[Kool Bob Love]

Grim business, when it's said out loud like that.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I love Kawhi but he is overrated especially on this forum. While he is a great defensive player his offensive side is severely lacking. Let's face it. If we only saw his highlights when he has the ball we would think of him as an average to above average NBA player.

[313]

Grim business, when it's said out loud like that.

[rasuo214]

most overrated until GSW get beat then it's that Curry fellow.

[RD2191]

I love Kawhi but he is overrated especially on this forum. While he is a great defensive player his offensive side is severely lacking. Let's face it. If we only saw his highlights when he has the ball we would think of him as an average to above average NBA player.

"Severely lacking" :lmao

[RD2191]

21 ppg on .500 shooting is "severely limited"

[TXstbobcat]

21 ppg on .500 shooting is "severely limited"

Best defensive player in the NBA the past 2 years is "severely limited"

[tholdren]

Poor little troll.

While you continue your "Kawhi sucks" act in every thread...he keeps adding more and more records and awards to his list of accolades, DPOY in consecutive years, finished #2 in MVP, All NBA Defense 1st team for 2nd consecutive season.

Just 24 years old :claw


LOL - Im so impressed he was #2 in MVP voting! There is only one "superstar" on the All Defensive Team = Paul. Is KL a good defender - yep. Is he dumber than a box of rocks on offense, not understand how to control a game, not understand shot selection? Yep.

KL, is better than I expected him to be, but he has NEVER, EVER, had the ability to lead a team to a ring. He just doesn't have the feel offensively. He can't make plays for others and he doesn't know when to shoot and when to drive. He's just 24 but has been playing basketball for most of his life. Either he has the instincts, or he doesn't. Offensively, he doesn't. Why he can't learn that is a combination of him and the coaching.

[YGWHI]

LOL - Im so impressed he was #2 in MVP voting!
Of course, why a player shooting over 50-45-87, scoring +20 ppg, being #1 in every defensive stat among perimeter players, and the best player on the 2nd best NBA team in the regular season...finished #2 in MVP race??? Why????


There is only one "superstar" on the All Defensive Team = Paul...but he has NEVER, EVER, had the ability to lead a team to a ring....He just doesn't have the feel offensively.

Salty troll :lol

[skulls138]

Come on! We lost because he is not a superstar! Superstars win! Losers Lose! L.Grow a brain child.

[tholdren]

Salty troll :lol
I think the only salty troll is the "man" who makes his name, avatar, and posts a shrine to kl... keep using the emojis!

[cd98]

Well by overrating him you underrate him. Kawhi is a great player, but to be the very best, he's got to get better. That said, he's no where near his prime and his pace of improvement is uncommonly fast.

[YGWHI]

I think the only salty troll is the "man" who makes his name, avatar, and posts a shrine to kl... keep using the emojis!
"Why people said that Kawhi Leonard wins the MVP any other year without this Curry regular season? Why???? Doesn't matter how great Kawhi is, he sucks" :cry :cry

[rasuo214]

I'm sorry but until he's the best offensive and defensive player in the world and carries his team to 5+ championships he'll never be a superstar. You Kawhi homers need to stop overrating him...

[TXstbobcat]

I'm sorry but until he's the best offensive and defensive player in the world and carries his team to 5+ championships he'll never be a superstar. You Kawhi homers need to stop overrating him...

So in your mind a player has to lead his team to 5+ titles to be considered a superstar?????

[Mikeanaro]

Not the most overrated but he is a retard and his offensive game needs lots of work, Durant Westbrook Harden and Lebron had a much better offensive game at that age, fuck the defense look where we are now.

[spurs10]

Kawhi is worth around 100 million. Doing pretty well for a kid.

Hasn't LeBron lost 4 out of 6?
Spurs 2
Mars 1
GSW 1

[Chris]

What do you think we could get in a trade?

[rasuo214]

So in your mind a player has to lead his team to 5+ titles to be considered a superstar?????

Nope, only Kawhi, oh and the first one doesn't count because of reasons...





/blue font <<< in case it wasn't obvious.

[tholdren]

Nope, only Kawhi, oh and the first one doesn't count because of reasons...

kl leading the spurs to the ring is INSANE. Tim was the most solid playoff performer that year. KL had a great last 3 playoff games as a 3-4 option. Tim got robbed tbh



/blue font <<< in case it wasn't obvious.

[phxspurfan]

Kawhi wasn't the problem, he would have been better if the team didn't rely on him to do everything. Just like LeBron in the finals last year. We need more depth at PF/C and PG

[Hoops Czar]

Rich man's DeRozan. Vastly overrated but, still a good player.

[bic50]

And just like that, the kawhi haters show up. Bunch of dumb bitches in here.

[tholdren]

Kawhi wasn't the problem, he would have been better if the team didn't rely on him to do everything. Just like LeBron in the finals last year. We need more depth at PF/C and PG
How can the team rely on KL to do anything when he can't dribble, pass, or create for others?

I have listed the following:

1. Pop apologists - the worst - now there are more claiming that pop is not what he seemed with TD in his prime... no kidding

2. Splitter apologists - overtook the pop apologists for awhile - but they would rather say his injuries are more to do with his shiftiness than his play, oh well, these people are stupid.

3. KL apologists - they are pretty much the splitter crew, which overvalue one end of the floor and don't understand the offensive poop that is KL from a PERIMETER player's perspective. These fans are between 11 and 16 years of age and completely duped by media and nba live. Like the above 2, these apologists are also dumb as shit, as they feel it totally appropriate for perimeter players to have no dribbling or attacking ability (green leonard) and still think that defense alone can win the game. Opposite view of most ghetto nba fans, who think dunking only matters, neglects all aspect of the game just as much as their more ignorant counterparts.

In the near future, 2 way players, REAL two way players, will be recognized around the league - when actual advanced stats are analyzed correctly by basketball fans rather than children and team/player fans.

Carry on

[texbumTHElife]

How can the team rely on KL to do anything when he can't dribble, pass, or create for others?

I have listed the following:

1. Pop apologists - the worst - now there are more claiming that pop is not what he seemed with TD in his prime... no kidding

2. Splitter apologists - overtook the pop apologists for awhile - but they would rather say his injuries are more to do with his shiftiness than his play, oh well, these people are stupid.

3. KL apologists - they are pretty much the splitter crew, which overvalue one end of the floor and don't understand the offensive poop that is KL from a PERIMETER player's perspective. These fans are between 11 and 16 years of age and completely duped by media and nba live. Like the above 2, these apologists are also dumb as shit, as they feel it totally appropriate for perimeter players to have no dribbling or attacking ability (green leonard) and still think that defense alone can win the game. Opposite view of most ghetto nba fans, who think dunking only matters, neglects all aspect of the game just as much as their more ignorant counterparts.

In the near future, 2 way players, REAL two way players, will be recognized around the league - when actual advanced stats are analyzed correctly by basketball fans rather than children and team/player fans.

Carry on

Kawhi was 6th in the LEAGUE in PER (26.0). Get a clue. There are clearly plenty of 11 and 16 year old kids on this forum who understand basketball better than you....


No attacking ability? How is he supposed to do that with two low post players clogging the lane the entire game? He still had one of the highest dunk ratios in the league, regardless. Fucking morons still drunk from the last Spurs game.

You're clueless.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Sequ is just trolling as usual...

...but anyone who thinks Kawhi is over-rated should go find themselves another team. Seriously.

[texbumTHElife]

Sequ is just trolling as usual...

...but anyone who thinks Kawhi is over-rated should go find themselves another team. Seriously.

It's the same slobbering brain trust that would rather have a guy jumping high, drooling on the rim and chucking ill-advised jumpers, than playing good basketball. The unfortunate problem is, those same mouth breathing neck beards run the league now. The NBA is hideous, selfish basketball at an all-time high. Kawhi is as throw-back as it gets.

[spurtech09]

So one player is suppose to win the series?...Its a team game bro.....The whole team lost the series......

[YGWHI]

How can the team rely on KL to do anything when he can't dribble, pass, or create for others?


his offensive side is severely lacking

:lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZrfT4W_6Sg

[FYM]

Kawhi is not overrated around the league but he is severly overrated by Spurs fans

[Arcadian]

Curry's team is losing 1-3 the series...

LeBron lost 3 Finals...

Durant lost in 2nd round, WCF and the Finals

Westbrook's team couldn't make the playoffs last season

Kawhi's a superstar and lost like the rest of them.

Lebron lost 4 finals actually: 07, 11, 14, and 15. And soon to be 16.

[$pursDynasty]

Now that the Spurs are done for the year, it's time for player fan wars, people either defending their own sacred cow or trying to light an opposing group's sacred cow on fire. Truth be told with the exception of the Raptors (the East is pretty weak) the only teams still alive in the playoffs all contain a player (or in OKC's case 2) that would wildly considered ahead of the Kingslayer in the mythical pound for pound who is the best player in the NBA right now list. That means the Spurs have to give KL a better supporting cast than the aforementioned players ahead of him for him to win titles, that is not a slight in any way.

[Chinook]

Kawhi is worth around 100 million. Doing pretty well for a kid.

Hasn't LeBron lost 4 out of 6?
Spurs 2
Mars 1
GSW 1

Did you just spoil Space Jam 2?

[Chinook]

I do think Kawhi still has a way to go to grow into a true generational player. He's in the same tier as Paul George and Cousins. That's below Lebron, who's in his own tier, and probably the tier with Durant, Curry and CP3. I still think the Leonard/LMA pair needs another star in addition to the role-players the Spurs are known for creating. That shouldn't be something that inspires a ton of controversy. That doesn't mean that Kawhi isn't a top-seven player. It's just that there is more striation in the top-seven than people want to admit.

[DMC]

Curry's team is losing 1-3 the series...

LeBron lost 3 Finals...

Durant lost in 2nd round, WCF and the Finals

Westbrook's team couldn't make the playoffs last season

Kawhi's a superstar and lost like the rest of them.
Lebron lost 4 Finals.

Kawhi is not a superstar. He's incredibly effective and amazing but so is Paul George. Kawhi has the benefit of playing on a team that knew how to win in the regular season even without him. Superstars take over games in the post season. Kawhi has never done that. Even when he won the Finals MVP he didn't necessarily take over the game. He doesn't run the team, and the team doesn't run through Kawhi. It went from running through Tony/Tim/Manu to running through LMA in the post. For KL to be a superstar, the team has to make him the "feed him until they stop him" guy and that hasn't happened and he hasn't forced it. His defense is good enough to make him a monster, and his offense is on par with some of best players in the game given the same opportunities. So it's not his talent that prevents him from being a superstar, it's his role on the team. Tim was really the only superstar for the Spurs. Tony was more noted for his marriage to Eva than his game, and he has 4 rings and a Finals MVP. Tim was a bonafide superstar. Kawhi is a star, higher level and talent-wise one of the best in the game, but superstar means more than that. Some media folk will say he is, but if you have to say he is then he's probably not. No one says Lebron is, or that Curry is, or that KD or Westbrook are. It's assumed.

[dbreiden83080]

Malone, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley I guess didn't win a championship because they were not superstars.

[Arcadian]

Lebron lost 4 Finals.

Kawhi is not a superstar. He's incredibly effective and amazing but so is Paul George. Kawhi has the benefit of playing on a team that knew how to win in the regular season even without him. Superstars take over games in the post season. Kawhi has never done that. Even when he won the Finals MVP he didn't necessarily take over the game. He doesn't run the team, and the team doesn't run through Kawhi. It went from running through Tony/Tim/Manu to running through LMA in the post. For KL to be a superstar, the team has to make him the "feed him until they stop him" guy and that hasn't happened and he hasn't forced it. His defense is good enough to make him a monster, and his offense is on par with some of best players in the game given the same opportunities. So it's not his talent that prevents him from being a superstar, it's his role on the team. Tim was really the only superstar for the Spurs. Tony was more noted for his marriage to Eva than his game, and he has 4 rings and a Finals MVP. Tim was a bonafide superstar. Kawhi is a star, higher level and talent-wise one of the best in the game, but superstar means more than that. Some media folk will say he is, but if you have to say he is then he's probably not. No one says Lebron is, or that Curry is, or that KD or Westbrook are. It's assumed.

So just to clarify, are you saying Kawhi is a "latent superstar" (my term) who is mostly held back by the system, but in a different context his latent talent would manifest?

[tholdren]

Kawhi was 6th in the LEAGUE in PER (26.0). Get a clue. There are clearly plenty of 11 and 16 year old kids on this forum who are just as stupid as texbumTHElife (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=651)


No attacking ability? How is he supposed to do that with two low post players clogging the lane the entire game? He still had one of the highest dunk ratios in the league, regardless. Fucking morons still drunk from the last Spurs game.

You're clueless.

No attacking ability is not necessarily as true as either scared to attack, or too dumb to attack. Either way, not good.

[DMC]

So just to clarify, are you saying Kawhi is a "latent superstar" (my term) who is mostly held back by the system, but in a different context his latent talent would manifest?
Yes, in a way, and no, at the same time.

Yes - because he has work ethic and unteachable skills and hands like softball gloves
No - Because he doesn't take over the game on the offensive end, recedes into the shadows on offense for long stretches and allows others to play around him instead of demanding the ball. He has to be told to be aggressive. Superstars don't need that. They have to be told to share the ball (unfortunately). Also because he doesn't have the over-the-top extrovert personality to sell himself to the media and fans. Purists love him, coaches love him, players love him and fans of other teams see him as something they'd like to have on their team, but they always list an offensive player ahead of him because he doesn't scream like Westbrook or shimmy like Curry or have any baby powder to throw into the air.

Also, I think Kawhi is the one who isn't convinced of his greatness. Most others are well aware of it. Kawhi has only recently become a scorer. He's going to be better next year than he was this year if Tim and Manu retire, because he has to be and he has the con.

[Arcadian]

Yes, in a way, and no, at the same time.

Yes - because he has work ethic and unteachable skills and hands like softball gloves
No - Because he doesn't take over the game on the offensive end, recedes into the shadows on offense for long stretches and allows others to play around him instead of demanding the ball. He has to be told to be aggressive. Superstars don't need that. They have to be told to share the ball (unfortunately). Also because he doesn't have the over-the-top extrovert personality to sell himself to the media and fans. Purists love him, coaches love him, players love him and fans of other teams see him as something they'd like to have on their team, but they always list an offensive player ahead of him because he doesn't scream like Westbrook or shimmy like Curry or have any baby powder to throw into the air.

Also, I think Kawhi is the one who isn't convinced of his greatness. Most others are well aware of it. Kawhi has only recently become a scorer. He's going to be better next year than he was this year if Tim and Manu retire, because he has to be and he has the con.

That part doesn't matter at all. If he scored 30 ppg, nobody would care about his personality or media relations. Well, maybe the canonical "idiot casual fan" would, but fuck them.

I think it's possible to be a superstar who naturally shares the ball, but that's only if you're a distributor like Lebron or Magic. Kawhi isn't that kind of player, but he can still improve offensively and become the superstar you have in mind, I think. He's only 24. He's not even peaking yet.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I still think Durant was robbed

[tholdren]

That part doesn't matter at all. If he scored 30 ppg, nobody would care about his personality or media relations. Well, maybe the canonical "idiot casual fan" would, but fuck them.

I think it's possible to be a superstar who naturally shares the ball, but that's only if you're a distributor like Lebron or Magic. Kawhi isn't that kind of player, but he can still improve offensively and become the superstar you have in mind, I think. He's only 24. He's not even peaking yet.

Scoring PPG does not make you a SUPERSTAR, when you score your PPG, make your assists, get your steals, etc. do.

[DMC]

That part doesn't matter at all. If he scored 30 ppg, nobody would care about his personality or media relations. Well, maybe the canonical "idiot casual fan" would, but fuck them.

I think it's possible to be a superstar who naturally shares the ball, but that's only if you're a distributor like Lebron or Magic. Kawhi isn't that kind of player, but he can still improve offensively and become the superstar you have in mind, I think. He's only 24. He's not even peaking yet.
Sure, you can redefine the term however you like. The media won't follow suit and it's a media created term. Do other teams build their defensive scheme to stop him? Would you build a team around him? Has he ever been alpha on the team? If so I haven't seen it. I've seen plenty times when he could though. He's insanely talented.

[skulls138]

Sure, you can redefine the term however you like. The media won't follow suit and it's a media created term. Do other teams build their defensive scheme to stop him? Would you build a team around him? Has he ever been alpha on the team? If so I haven't seen it. I've seen plenty times when he could though. He's insanely talented.I would take Kawhi in a heartbeat over most everybody. Hes not as talented as alot but hes got heart and brains and does the unheralded stuff. People point to KD and RW as the reason OKC won but it was there bigs plain and simple. Stephen Adams wouldnt be considered a superstar but I bet Pops and now Kerr sure are game planning around him.

Are coaches game planning around Kawhi? Not for his offense but the way he guards players like Lebron, Im sure hes on their mind. Plus what he does is hard to plan around because his effectiveness is spread to so many categories, minus passing, which I hope is a part of his next evolution. Doesnt matter if coaches game plan around him or not Kawhi is extremely effective.

[tholdren]

I would take Kawhi in a heartbeat over most everybody. Hes not as talented as alot but hes got heart and brains and does the unheralded stuff. People point to KD and RW as the reason OKC won but it was there bigs plain and simple. Stephen Adams wouldnt be considered a superstar but I bet Pops and now Kerr sure are game planning around him.

Are coaches game planning around Kawhi? Not for his offense but the way he guards players like Lebron, Im sure hes on their mind. Plus what he does is hard to plan around because his effectiveness is spread to so many categories, minus passing, which I hope is a part of his next evolution. Doesnt matter if coaches game plan around him or not Kawhi is extremely effective.
as a 3rd option

[Arcadian]

How could teams not be gameplanning for Kawhi? He's the Spurs second best scorer. You always have to plan for the top 2-3 scorers on any team.

[tholdren]

How could teams not be gameplanning for Kawhi? He's the Spurs second best scorer. You always have to plan for the top 2-3 scorers on any team.
because they know that he will just shoot jumpers at the end of the game. Really no explanation needed here.

[Arcadian]

because they know that he will just shoot jumpers at the end of the game. Really no explanation needed here.

At the end of games? So they're planning for 3 quarters?

[DMC]

I would take Kawhi in a heartbeat over most everybody. Hes not as talented as alot but hes got heart and brains and does the unheralded stuff. People point to KD and RW as the reason OKC won but it was there bigs plain and simple. Stephen Adams wouldnt be considered a superstar but I bet Pops and now Kerr sure are game planning around him.

Are coaches game planning around Kawhi? Not for his offense but the way he guards players like Lebron, Im sure hes on their mind. Plus what he does is hard to plan around because his effectiveness is spread to so many categories, minus passing, which I hope is a part of his next evolution. Doesnt matter if coaches game plan around him or not Kawhi is extremely effective.

Stuff is unheralded for a reason. He's a great player but thus far we've only seen a restrained version. If Tim and Manu retire, he will break out.

[tholdren]

At the end of games? So they're planning for 3 quarters?
I don't think so. The plan for me would be not to let danny green get off and control parker's attempts to get into the lane. KL will get the quietest 20 points, but he would still be an after thought from Marshas turnaround post game.

[TheGreatYacht]

Agreed. Roberson and Barnes own him

[DenialTwist]

If Pop wasn't holding on to the Spurs yesteryears in regards to the big three, especially a declining Tony Parker, maybe the spurs wouldn't have lost last year against the Clippers and this year against OKC. This is the PG era and the spurs are way behind in that category. They can't matchup with any contender in the NBA who has a an elite pg because Pop wants to force the issue with Parker, a defensive and now offensive liability. Some NBA analysts were saying after the OKC series that age has finally caught up with the spurs. Uh, that was evident last year too but the Spurs thought they could just bring in LMA and WCF was guaranteed. These Kawhi haters smh. His first real year leading the team in the shadow of the big three. Spurs fans are in denial that the core is washed up and Kawhi and LMA cannot carry them until the spurs FO gets some young players. It was cringe-worthy watching the spurs in that OKC series because no spurs guard could run a fastbreak without it deteriorating. Kawhi cannot be a playmaker because Pop hasn't given him that responsibility, Pop still thinks it's 2013. He still believes Parker and Manu can run the offense even though they can't run past anyone off the dribble anymore, too damn slow. And now the Spurs rumor is that they want to bring in Conley lmao. Like he will fix the gaping hole that is the starting pg. Conley is injury prone and was only great 3 years ago.

Overall, you could say the Spurs were the most overrated team in the NBA. They were a 67 win team who were beating up on bad teams and when it was money time they couldn't beat the elite. They are an old team. Pop was also outcoached 2 years in a row. He has some unspoken promise to the big three. They are clinging on to the past and need to move on. Revamp the team and hire a coach who can actually make adjustments and isn't so stubborn. Pop got his 5 rings and doesn't even look like he wants to win. Also the spurs are starting to look like a retirement home, with all these vets that are coming in. I don't know why the FO gets so much praise when they haven't drafted anyone, after Kawhi, that looks promising. Kyle Anderson looks like a bust, Boban is too slow for the NBA and Simmons is not ready.

[Capster]

Come on! We lost because he is not a superstar! Superstars win! Losers Lose! L.
Biggest line of BS I have ever read!

[jbspurs]

Kawhi is a completely player, He drives to basket, shoot midrange, shoot 3's, can rebound, plays very good defense, can guard the best offensive player of any team. What else can you ask for? Yes, he missed crucial shots, so as other great players. We should just be thankful we have this type of player on our favorite team.

[Kikoluna]

He is the best player in the league. Him being overrated is nonsense. If you want to debate 1,2, or 3rd best that's fine, but he's world class.

[tholdren]

Im gay.

[manu2timdynasty]

Oh your a Kawhi troll. Good to know.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi is a star, higher level and talent-wise one of the best in the game, but superstar means more than that.
Except Cuban, most people/media say Westbrook is a superstar. If he's one, we have to include Kawhi as superstar, too.

I'd pick Kawhi over Westbrook all day.


How could teams not be gameplanning for Kawhi? He's the Spurs second best scorer. You always have to plan for the top 2-3 scorers on any team.

Kawhi was for 2nd consecutive season the Spurs leading scorer in regular season and playoffs...But people still think other teams don't plan for him.

[Clipper Nation]

Kawhi has never had a chokejob like the one that Durant just pulled.

Porker, on the other hand? He does that every postseason.

[manu2timdynasty]

Who cares about the term superstar. Really. I've always understood the term to entail ones ability to sell press. Getting the casual fan to buy said product or tune in to watch solely on name recognition. The Spurs dont have time for that shit. Bigger compliment is MVP candidate in the year of Curry. Kawhi has nothing to prove to anyone and he's still hungry. Testament to the man.

[DMC]

Who cares about the term superstar. Really. I've always understood the term to entail ones ability to sell press. Getting the casual fan to buy said product or tune in to watch solely on name recognition. The Spurs dont have time for that shit. Bigger compliment is MVP candidate in the year of Curry. Kawhi has nothing to prove to anyone and he's still hungry. Testament to the man.
Exactly. Part of doing that is stepping on other people and talking shit. Kawhi does neither.

[cd98]

Kawhi hasn't shot his team out of a playoff win like Durant did, but he has disappeared at the end of a game. Both are examples of choking to me.

[tholdren]

Kawhi hasn't shot his team out of a playoff win like Durant did, but he has disappeared at the end of a game. Both are examples of choking to me.
And he hasn't led his team to ANYTHING.

[kobyz]

Trade Kawhi for Simmons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

[Gagnrath]

The reason the spurs lost is that after the march knee thing save for the last game Duncan looked like he was playing at about 65%. Not of peak Duncan but of this season Duncan. Which means he was on the bench a lot and LMA was the sole starting calibre big man. Boris wasn't interested this year or he is old or some combination of both and West is at this point a quality backup and rotation PF but isn't a center and never has been.

[poeticism707]

I love Kawhi but he is overrated especially on this forum. While he is a great defensive player his offensive side is severely lacking. Let's face it. If we only saw his highlights when he has the ball we would think of him as an average to above average NBA player.

No, Kawi ain't close to overrated.

DPOY, And was second in MVP voting because the Spurs won the 2nd most games in the league, and he averaged over 20 a game: well deserved.

In reality, Kawi is top 5 in in the league, not top 2.

Like I said, Kawi ain't even close to overrated, see him underrated by posters on here,

like y'all expect him to be Jordan or TD, or be good enough to beat the refs.

Grow up, it ain't ever gonna fing happen.

[Sean Cagney]

Kawhi Leonard is not overrated at all lol, come on now. This is a top 5 player in the game now.

[tholdren]

Kawhi Leonard is not overrated at all lol, come on now. This is a top 5 player in the game now.
yes he is.

[Sean Cagney]

yes he is.

He is a top 5 player in the game, agreed.