The pre-draft assessement of Aldrdige was spot-on

[Kawhitstorm]

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lamarcus-aldridge

Weaknesses: In high school he developed a reputation for being soft and not showing enough heart. Scouts still have some question marks about his toughness inside. He is vastly improved in that area, but still struggles against big and strong players on the NCAA level ... Not a physically imposing player inside, plays more a finesse game. Needs to get nastier ... Should still add an additional 10-15 pounds ... Not an out of this world leaper, but solid ... Not an extremely emotional player, which is both a positive and a negative ... Passing and ball handling are decent but can improve ..... Must develop a killer instinct, more intensity.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/LaMarcus-Aldridge-55/

Best Case: Jermaine O'Neal:wow
Worst Case: Channing Frye:lol

[spursistan]

:lol

yep, I'm disgusted that midget Raymond did a number on him this season while watching less skilled of OKC bigs completely overwhelm him with size, not to mention 6'10 Durant taking him to school..

[hater]

Remind me but there was a spur that had 30+ points the first 3 games vs okc?

That should have been enough to win the series. But Kawhi and co decided to shit the bed on game 2. Fucking pathetic fucks

[dbreiden83080]

So basically you don't like LA..

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi Leonard: When in doubt he shoots contested mid range shots. Will never be a leader, but he'd be one of the best third options in the league. Has a tendency of letting scrubs force their will on him, like Andre Roberson and Matt Barnes. He'll flirt with a 90FT% in the regular season, but when it matters most he'll most likely split his free throws. It looks like he's at his best when there's a French Point Gawd on the floor with him who sets him up for open threes, so he better pray he lands on a team with one of the those at the next level.

best case - Andre Iguodala
worst case - Gerald Wallace
My guess - glorafied Josh Howard

[cjw]

Kawhi Leonard: When in doubt he shoots contested mid range shots. Will never be a leader, but he'd be one of the best third options in the league. Has a tendency of letting scrubs force their will on him, like Andre Roberson and Matt Barnes. He'll flirt with a 90FT% in the regular season, but when it matters most he'll most likely split his free throws. It looks like he's at his best when there's a French Point Gawd on the floor with him who sets him up for open threes, so he better pray he lands on a team with one of the those at the next level.

best case - Andre Iguodala
worst case - Gerald Wallace
My guess - glorafied Josh Howard

DPOY Kawhi's one of the most efficient offensive players in the league despite decently high usage. The only DPOY with a higher USG% than Kawhi's 25.8 this year were these guys:

- Jordan (lower TS% is fair given his insane 34.1 USG)
- Hakeem 2x
- Mourning 2x
- Dwight 2x
- MWP (only other wing - poor TS% of 51.1%)

Only two DPOY have had a higher TS% than Kawhi's - Dwight once (lower USG that year) and Tyson Chandler (USG was like half of Kawhi's).

I know you're just trolling, but that's not the stat line of a beta.

[hater]

He's not that efficient when the game is on the line and he has 2 fee throws tbqh

The criticism is valid


That beng said we did not lose because of either kawhi or lmalpha. The rest of the team shut their panties. Except for green

[cjw]

we did not lose because of either kawhi or lmalpha. The rest of the team shut their panties. Except for green

This

[hater]

Yup. And Billy The Cannibal Donovan ate Pops flesh with a glass of Chianti ftftftft

[Kawhitstorm]

yep, I'm disgusted that midget Raymond did a number on him this season while watching less skilled of OKC bigs completely overwhelm him with size, not to mention 6'10 Durant taking him to school..

He should be fine as the 3rd wheel ala Bosh/Love. PATFO need to get a LEGIT wing-man for Kawhi or assemble a team w/ multiple playmakers ala the mid-2000s Pistons. For god sakes, Pippen had Jordan when he was tasked w/ being an elite two-way player.:lol

LeBron has Kyrie
Dominos has WestBrick
Kawhi has Porker:rolleyes

Softridge needs a pick-and-pop specialist who isn't afraid to take & MAKE big shots like Jason Terry. Porker become useless when Softridge is playing hot potatoes & teams are daring him to be a scorer.

A very gettable player is Darren Collison who is LETHAL from mid-range. Only Kyrie was better among point guards & he was 3rd overall amongst all guards, sandwiched b/w ReDick/Choke-P3: http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/shooting/?PerMode=Totals&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&sort=Mid-Range%20FG%20PCT&dir=1&CF=Mid-Range%20FGA*G*200&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G

He isn't a starting caliber PG but he can play 20 SOLID minutes as a backup ala 2014 Patty.

The Kings might be trying to dump Marco so PATFO can swap Diaw's partially guarantee & Patty for Marco/Collison: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hj3vrzg

If the Kings are willing to trade Kofus, who is stuck behind Cousins and Cauley-Stein, that would also take care of the center spot but he has a reasonable contract & they can get a decent haul for him. Joerger also had him in Memphis so they might want to keep him if they move Cousins. Otherwise, the Spurs could just swap Diaw/Patty/Simmons for Kofus/Collison & absorb Marco into the cap space assuming Tim/Manu/D-Worst retire. That would leave PATFO w/ about 6 mill to work along w/ the Room Exception to sign a backup PF/C: Cole Aldrich/Darrell Arthur.

So hypotheticallly, the roster would look something like this:

Kofus/Aldrich/(*open roster* or vet min: Nene)
LMA/Arthur/Bertans
Kawhi/Kyle/(vet min wing defender: Mbah a Moute)
Danny/Marco/(min salary slasher: Summer League)
Porker/Collison/(1st rd pick: defensive minded PG)

[Kawhitstorm]

So basically you don't like LA..

So basically you have trouble accepting FACTS?:sleep #porkerstan

[TD 21]

He should be fine as the 3rd wheel ala Bosh/Love. PATFO need to get a LEGIT wing-man for Kawhi or assemble a team w/ multiple playmakers ala the mid-2000s Pistons. For god sakes, Pippen had Jordan when he was tasked w/ being an elite two-way player.:lol

LeBron has Kyrie
Dominos has WestBrick
Kawhi has Porker:rolleyes

Softridge needs a pick-and-pop specialist who isn't afraid to take & MAKE big shots like Jason Terry. Porker become useless when Softridge is playing hot potatoes & teams are daring him to be a scorer.

A very gettable player is Darren Collison who is LETHAL from mid-range. Only Kyrie was better among point guards & he was 3rd overall amongst all guards, sandwiched b/w ReDick/Choke-P3: http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/shooting/?PerMode=Totals&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&sort=Mid-Range%20FG%20PCT&dir=1&CF=Mid-Range%20FGA*G*200&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G

He isn't a starting caliber PG but he can play 20 SOLID minutes as a backup ala 2014 Patty.

The Kings might be trying to dump Marco so PATFO can swap Diaw's partially guarantee & Patty for Marco/Collison: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hj3vrzg

If the Kings are willing to trade Kofus, who is stuck behind Cousins and Cauley-Stein, that would also take care of the center spot but he has a reasonable contract & they can get a decent haul for him. Joerger also had him in Memphis so they might want to keep him if they move Cousins. Otherwise, the Spurs could just swap Diaw/Patty/Simmons for Kofus/Collison & absorb Marco into the cap space assuming Tim/Manu/D-Worst retire. That would leave PATFO w/ about 6 mill to work along w/ the Room Exception to sign a backup PF/C: Cole Aldrich/Darrell Arthur.

So hypotheticallly, the roster would look something like this:

Kofus/Aldrich/(*open roster* or vet min: Nene)
LMA/Arthur/Bertans
Kawhi/Kyle/(vet min wing defender: Mbah a Moute)
Danny/Marco/(min salary slasher: Summer League)
Porker/Collison/(1st rd pick: defensive minded PG)

Sure, but how do they go about getting it? Conley and Teague, are more than likely long shots. Even if they acquired one, barring something drastic from the other four contenders, they'd still rank 4th-5th going into next season.

I could see some sort of trade with the Kings, with Collison and/or Koufos (for Diaw; I brought this up weeks ago) the most likely pieces coming back. But that's not moving the needle.

The unfortunate reality is, there's more than likely nothing they can realistically do to change that, at least in the near future.

[tholdren]

DPOY Kawhi's one of the most efficient offensive players in the league despite decently high usage. The only DPOY with a higher USG% than Kawhi's 25.8 this year were these guys:

- Jordan (lower TS% is fair given his insane 34.1 USG)
- Hakeem 2x
- Mourning 2x
- Dwight 2x
- MWP (only other wing - poor TS% of 51.1%)

Only two DPOY have had a higher TS% than Kawhi's - Dwight once (lower USG that year) and Tyson Chandler (USG was like half of Kawhi's).

I know you're just trolling, but that's not the stat line of a beta.
Getting a boner over stats that don't matter. Good for you. KL hasn't won a series. Who gives a shit if he scores 100ppg if he cannot score under-pressure?

Reading your post is the problem with ST. Guy gets media hype you go bananas. Pop says something you go bananas. You argue that Tim is better than Kobe because he won rings. You argue that KL is better than X because he has stats. Until KL wins something as THE LEADER of the team, which no one knows if its LMA or KL to be honest, then he's not shit. There really isn't an argument otherwise.

[apalisoc_9]

So basically you have trouble accepting FACTS?:sleep #porkerstan

:lol

I talked about this before the trade. Hes a third tier star that spurs fans are treating like a first tier star. Hes in the klay thompson catgory of stars.

[Kawhitstorm]

Until KL wins something as THE LEADER of the team, which no one knows if its LMA or KL to be honest, then he's not shit. There really isn't an argument otherwise.

I guess if OKC wins it all in June, Durant STILL isn't shyt b/c WestBrick is the LEADER of the team.:lmao

[testies]

LMA is a stud, a formula 1, and the last player we should blame for the series loss. If we get Pau, some more young athletic guys and play our system defense we win #6 next year.

[Kawhitstorm]

Sure, but how do they go about getting it? Conley and Teague, are more than likely long shots. Even if they acquired one, barring something drastic from the other four contenders, they'd still rank 4th-5th going into next season.

All you need is to put yourself in a position to take advantage of any injuries or choke jobs. If the Spurs had the "2016-17" hypothetical roster then they could have beaten OKC & the Duds w/ a less than 100% Curry. The Finals would have been a coin flip considering that Kawhi matches up well w/ LeBron who would also have to guard him on the other end b/c JR has no chance against Kawhi.

The 2013 Spurs went to the Finals w/o having to face OKC who were knocked out after WestBrick got injured & almost won it all.

[DMC]

Killer instinct, more intensity.. that's all bullshit. I'll take a guy who doesn't get too emotional and shoots like LMA over someone who can't perform when he gets pressured.

[Kawhitstorm]

Killer instinct, more intensity.. that's all bullshit. I'll take a guy who doesn't get too emotional and shoots like LMA over someone who can't perform when he gets pressured.
I think they were saying he need to ADD a killer instinct to his game on top of his talent.:wakeup (GayMond wouldn't be making MAX money if he didn't play w/ intensity to makeup for his lack of talent)

[TD 21]

All you need is to put yourself in a position to take advantage of any injuries or choke jobs. If the Spurs had the "2016-17" hypothetical roster then they could have beaten OKC & the Duds w/ a less than 100% Curry. The Finals could have been a coin flip considering that Kawhi matches up well w/ LeBron who would also have to guard him on the other end b/c JR has no chance against Kawhi.

That will have to be their mentality throughout this era, because they're not going to out star the other contenders.

The '13 team probably needed injury luck versus the Thunder and were constructed in such a way to give the Heat issues. This team, going forward, would need injury luck versus the Warriors, Thunder, Cavaliers and maybe Clippers and aren't constructed in such a way to give any of them issues.

They'd need an almost unprecedented amount of luck for them to win a championship.

[Kawhitstorm]

This team, going forward, would need injury luck versus the Warriors, Thunder, Cavaliers and maybe Clippers and aren't constructed in such a way to give any of them issues

Cripples are about to be broken up & the Cavs w/ an aging LeBron are in the East so they are irrelevant until the Finals. OKC is beatable by an efficient halfcourt team & the Duds hopes hinge on Curry's ankles. There is also a possibility there could be a 1-4 matchup b/w OKC/Duds if Durant's Jones fracture flares up.

[Mikeanaro]

Did they say something about Kiwi being an autistic retard more interested in having babies and basketball non related shit? Because you know, at age 24 you need to have a family ASAP before thinking about winning rings and being soft.

[tholdren]

LMA is a stud, a formula 1, and the last player we should blame for the series loss. If we get Pau, some more young athletic guys and play our system defense we win #6 next year.
LOL. LMA is just as fat as boris, with less rebounding and athleticism and a great turnaround. Thats about it. Cant pass. Cant get to the block. Weak screen setter.

My ultimate favorite is to watch his fat ass run the court. Dude is slow, and looks like a nerd.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

LMA wasn't the Spur that allowed rookies to impose their will on him in the playoffs. LMA went up against Adams, Ibaka and Kanter. The strength of OKC that has devastated two record breaking teams

[Obstructed_View]

Lamarcus has more points, assists and steals than O'Neal had in his entire career, and will pass him in just about everything but blocks next season.

Spot on.

[apalisoc_9]

LOL. LMA is just as fat as boris, with less rebounding and athleticism and a great turnaround. Thats about it. Cant pass. Cant get to the block. Weak screen setter.

My ultimate favorite is to watch his fat ass run the court. Dude is slow, and looks like a nerd.

:lmao

[skulls138]

Getting a boner over stats that don't matter. Good for you. KL hasn't won a series. Who gives a shit if he scores 100ppg if he cannot score under-pressure?

Reading your post is the problem with ST. Guy gets media hype you go bananas. Pop says something you go bananas. You argue that Tim is better than Kobe because he won rings. You argue that KL is better than X because he has stats. Until KL wins something as THE LEADER of the team, which no one knows if its LMA or KL to be honest, then he's not shit. There really isn't an argument otherwise.He HAS made shots at the end of games, just not the final one and thats because he was doing everything. He was also making steals and multiple offensive rebounds, ripping it out of the opposing players hands. Theres only a handful of players in the existence of the NBA that can measure up to what you think Kawhi should be. AI, Mcgrady, Ewing, Barkley and yes David Robinson and a WHOLE bunch more "aint shit"according to your theory.

[cjw]

Getting a boner over stats that don't matter. Good for you. KL hasn't won a series. Who gives a shit if he scores 100ppg if he cannot score under-pressure?

Reading your post is the problem with ST. Guy gets media hype you go bananas. Pop says something you go bananas. You argue that Tim is better than Kobe because he won rings. You argue that KL is better than X because he has stats. Until KL wins something as THE LEADER of the team, which no one knows if its LMA or KL to be honest, then he's not shit. There really isn't an argument otherwise.

So eye test matters more than stats? And you're an NBA scout?

Okay.

Explain to me how TS% and USG don't matter. Or do you not understand what they mean?

(And Kawhi has won something as the best player on the team. It was just that the Finals were such a blowout in 2014 that he didn't need to hit any game winners. And clutch? How about that block of Westbrook in Game 6 that year)



He HAS made shots at the end of games, just not the final one and thats because he was doing everything. He was also making steals and multiple offensive rebounds, ripping it out of the opposing players hands. Theres only a handful of players in the existence of the NBA that can measure up to what you think Kawhi should be. AI, Mcgrady, Ewing, Barkley and yes David Robinson and a WHOLE bunch more "aint shit"according to your theory.

He's acting like a 16 year old who just got dumped for the first time and think he'll never find true love or get laid.

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA wasn't the Spur that allowed rookies to impose their will on him in the playoffs. LMA went up against Adams, Ibaka and Kanter. The strength of OKC that has devastated two record breaking teams

Kanter played 6 minutes & got punked by Speight while Bogut got the better of Adams. WestBrick meanwhile has been waxing Curry's ass now that he's free from the shackles of Kawhi.

Could you fill me in on why PATFO are trying to upgrade Porker's position?

[lefty]

LMA has always been a soft jump shooting player

:lol "big man"
:lol today's NBA big men
:lol today's NBA

[tholdren]

He HAS made shots at the end of games, just not the final one and thats because he was doing everything. He was also making steals and multiple offensive rebounds, ripping it out of the opposing players hands. Theres only a handful of players in the existence of the NBA that can measure up to what you think Kawhi should be. AI, Mcgrady, Ewing, Barkley and yes David Robinson and a WHOLE bunch more "aint shit"according to your theory.
lol

[Arcadian]

He has improved in those areas. He's a much better rebounder and post player than he used to be.

And people forget Jermaine O'Neal actually used to be a top 10 NBA player at his peak. The problem is his peak was too short, but still. At the time it was a good comparison.

[dbreiden83080]

So basically you have trouble accepting FACTS?:sleep #porkerstan

So let's just kick him off the team. We are sure to be better that way.

[ViceCity86]

This is a great website.

[Kawhitstorm]

So let's just kick him off the team. We are sure to be better that way.

All I said was that he was 3rd wheel material since he can't be counted on to show-up under pressure. The Heatles won a championship clincher w/ Bosh scoring ZERO points in Gm 7 & they also won a conference finals series despite him getting destroyed by Roy feakin' Hibbert but he was still an all-star caliber player...just happened to be SOFT.

On the other hand, the team would be better off by replacing washed-up Porker w/ an average PG.

[Keepin' it real]

The pre-draft assessment of Aldridge...

I rarely say this to people who aren't me, but you have got to get a life.

[Kawhitstorm]

I rarely say this to people who aren't me, but you have got to get a life.

I don't need to know what you think of folks that you don't know, just keepin' it real.

[Mnky]

Op is desperate for a thread tbh.

LMA carried spurs through 3 games. When he realized the rest of the team arnt contenders, he started getting ready for summer vacation. Get him some help and a legitimate number 2 on offense, not a streaky shooter, and then things can happen.

[Mnky]

I rarely say this to people who aren't me, but you have got to get a life.

:lol

[Obstructed_View]

And people forget Jermaine O'Neal actually used to be a top 10 NBA player at his peak. The problem is his peak was too short, but still. At the time it was a good comparison.

Aldridge has basically matched JO's peak year for six years and counting. Not nearly the defender for most of his career, but twice the offensive force.

[Obstructed_View]

Op is desperate for a thread tbh.

LMA carried spurs through 3 games. When he realized the rest of the team arnt contenders, he started getting ready for summer vacation. Get him some help and a legitimate number 2 on offense, not a streaky shooter, and then things can happen.

Dude was thinking, "Why the fuck didn't they get me a center like I asked?"

[skulls138]

Op is desperate for a thread tbh.

LMA carried spurs through 3 games. When he realized the rest of the team arnt contenders, he started getting ready for summer vacation. Get him some help and a legitimate number 2 on offense, not a streaky shooter, and then things can happen.So when Kawhi misses, hes being streaky but when LMA misses and gets punked under the rim, hes getting ready for vacation. When Kawhi misses, at least he contributes in other ways. When LMA misses hes useless because hes still diva-ish.

[hater]

:lmao kawhitards getting neutered

[TD 21]

Cripples are about to be broken up & the Cavs w/ an aging LeBron are in the East so they are irrelevant until the Finals. OKC is beatable by an efficient halfcourt team & the Duds hopes hinge on Curry's ankles. There is also a possibility there could be a 1-4 matchup b/w OKC/Duds if Durant's Jones fracture flares up.

That's a ton of ifs, which is my point exactly.

As I've said, the Spurs should and will continue to try and it's not impossible, unlike teams that are generally in their position, but the reality is, it's highly unlikely they win a championship in the Leonard-Aldridge era.

They've remained contenders in recent years thanks to an unparalleled combination of chemistry, IQ, coaching and depth. That's no longer the case and their stars aren't capable of out starring any other contender. That's what the out with the old, in with the new crowd doesn't get.

[T Park]

Dude was thinking, "Why the fuck didn't they get me a center like I asked?"



I would've said, we didn't have any money left after you demanded the fucking max

[Obstructed_View]

I would've said, we didn't have any money left after you demanded the fucking max

Of course you would have said that.

[tholdren]

So when Kawhi misses, hes being streaky but when LMA misses and gets punked under the rim, hes getting ready for vacation. When Kawhi misses, at least he contributes in other ways. When LMA misses hes useless because hes still diva-ish.
I don't think so. I'm a fan of neither. They both have new NBA ignorance and play scared. LMA apologists will say he rebounds well, but he only gets uncontested boards. Both player fans will say that these guys are max players who can carry teams. They can't. Spurs need them to play physical, and they either can't or won't. Both are shitty at setting up teammates.

[Mnky]

So when Kawhi misses, hes being streaky but when LMA misses and gets punked under the rim, hes getting ready for vacation. When Kawhi misses, at least he contributes in other ways. When LMA misses hes useless because hes still diva-ish.

LMA was playing the best front court in the NBA single handedly. Almost played the entire game each game because the spurs could not afford to sit him. Kawhi is a very streaky playoff performer. He has not had one legitimate series where he showed up every game. On defense yes, offense, no.
He's 24, and beyond expectations on offensive side. I'm happy with his development. Awesome to strike gold with him. Doesn't change the fact that he isn't a reliable offensive threat yet in the playoffs.

[Mnky]

I would've said, we didn't have any money left after you demanded the fucking max

He was arguably the best big in the NBA this year. Thinking he doesn't deserve the Max... :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA was playing the best front court in the NBA single handedly. Almost played the entire game each game because the spurs could not afford to sit him..

Pop should have sat him in the 2nd half of Gm 5 when he shot 3-12 in a game the Spurs HAD to win.

[Mnky]

Pop should have sat him in the 2nd half of Gm 5 when he shot 3-12 in a game the Spurs HAD to win.

What were his series stats? Compared to the other stars on the team?

[Kawhitstorm]

What were his series stats? Compared to the other stars on the team?

Softridge got punked by Kanter who can't even outplay Speight on a consistent basis.:lol

[Mnky]

What were his series stats? Compared to the other stars on the team?

[YGWHI]

LMA carried spurs through 3 games.
Just in game 2.

In game 1 he didn't carry us, the whole team played great. Kawhi scored 25 points in 21 minutes, Danny made many 3's, even Tim looked good.


Kawhi is a very streaky playoff performer. He has not had one legitimate series where he showed up every game. On defense yes, offense, no.
And LMA?

Anyway, Kawhi had that type of series against Memphis this year. Yep, depleted Grizz. But other Spurs players didn't play at Kawhi's level on offense against the same team.

[skulls138]

I don't think so. I'm a fan of neither. They both have new NBA ignorance and play scared. LMA apologists will say he rebounds well, but he only gets uncontested boards. Both player fans will say that these guys are max players who can carry teams. They can't. Spurs need them to play physical, and they either can't or won't. Both are shitty at setting up teammates.Kawhi is a damn good 3 pt shooter. He now can juke and do a mid range jumper. He rebounds and is DPOY. More than all of that he has heart and a work ethic like no other. He also seems to play with a chip on his shoulder which is good. Hes not the best in the league but please name who is better? Not that many. Your just spoiled.

[skulls138]

LMA was playing the best front court in the NBA single handedly. Almost played the entire game each game because the spurs could not afford to sit him. Kawhi is a very streaky playoff performer. He has not had one legitimate series where he showed up every game. On defense yes, offense, no.
He's 24, and beyond expectations on offensive side. I'm happy with his development. Awesome to strike gold with him. Doesn't change the fact that he isn't a reliable offensive threat yet in the playoffs.Ive had a problem with LMA's rebounding and boxing out all season long. To me, LMA is the obvious natural scorer on the team but if he doesnt back it up with D and rebounding, while Kawhis hustling around like his life depended on it, thats bad chemistry. LMA is a C/PF, not a SG, hes got a three way responsibility at all times.

Of course this is in response to the Kawhi hate. I am happy with LMA's start like you are with Kawhi.

[SAGirl]

It's pointless to be critical of LMA when every other big the team had was trash (Timmy too save his retirement game and I hate admitting that).

[YGWHI]

Remind me but there was a spur that had 30+ points the first 3 games vs okc?
In each of the first 3 games? No.

LMA scored +30 the first 2 games vs OKC and 24 points in game 3.

[AFMadison]

Softridge got punked by Kanter who can't even outplay Speight on a consistent basis.:lol
Not even a good troll tbh. Aldridge was the best player in the playoffs. Kawhi second. Anyone who says otherwise is a player fan.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Aldridge... he shouldn't even be called Big Man Allen Iverson, at least Iverson dragged a team to the Finals as the first option. LMA is Big Man Glenn Robinson.

[YGWHI]

Aldridge was the best player in the playoffs. Kawhi second. Anyone who says otherwise is a player fan.

Not sure if playoffs-stats are player fans but they say that Kawhi was the best player in 2016 playoffs.

Kawhi was the Spurs leading scorer, also #2 in PER 29.6. LMA #8, 25.9

LMA didn't finish in the top of defensive players in any category. Just in blocks per game #8 (with Kawhi)

But Kawhi was #1 in steals per game, #4 in Def Rtg (behind 3 PF/C), Def Win Shares #3, #8 in blocks per game...

[AFMadison]

Not sure if playoffs-stats are player fans but they say that Kawhi was the best player in 2016 playoffs.

Kawhi was the Spurs leading scorer, also #2 in PER 29.6. LMA #8, 25.9

LMA didn't finish in the top of defensive players in any category. Just in blocks per game #8 (with Kawhi)

But Kawhi was #1 in steals per game, #4 in Def Rtg (behind 3 PF/C), Def Win Shares #3, #8 in blocks per game...
I was specifically talking about the OKC series. I wouldn't really count the Grizzlies as a playoff series

[YGWHI]

I was specifically talking about the OKC series. I wouldn't really count the Grizzlies as a playoff series

Well, you said "in playoffs".

Even if you wouldn't count the first round, the Spurs already played 10 games in playoffs not just 6.

[AFMadison]

But I mean if you wanna stat pad to put your guy at the top go ahead... from a neutral standpoint... LMA was the man that series. Kawhi was here and there, wanted him to be more aggressive, green stepped up, then nobody else. Maybe a glimpse from Parker.

[AFMadison]

Well, you said "in playoffs".

Even if you wouldn't count the first round, the Spurs already played 10 games in playoffs not just 6.
I'm all Kawhi Leonard man, I created a damn YouTube dedication video for the guy: Kawhi Leonard Lebrons Kryptonite. But when the playoffs REALLY mattered. LMA was the best player on the team. Kawhi was the guy all season, not against the thunder though.

[YGWHI]

But when the playoffs REALLY mattered. LMA was the best player on the team
Not sure how a player who had only two good games in the series and disappear the next 4 was the best player on the team. But it's fine, it's your opinion.

[AFMadison]

Not sure how a player who had only two good games in the series and disappear the next 4 was the best player on the team. But it's fine, it's your opinion.
I mean game 3: 24 pts
Game 4: 20
Game 5: 20
Game 6: 18
Wouldnt really call that disappearing. When a team focuses on stopping you, other players have to step up. Do you want him to apologize for not putting up 40 a game... :lol

[YGWHI]

Do you want him to apologize for not putting up 40 a game... :lol
No. Also, I always say he was a dream addition, really like him. But he wasn't our best player.

[AFMadison]

No. Also, I always say he was a dream addition, really like him. But he wasn't our best player.
Player fan to the fullest. You can have your own opinion, but facts > opinions. Remember also Team > Kawhi/LMA.

[YGWHI]

Player fan to the fullest. You can have your own opinion, but facts > opinions.
Usually stats>opinions.

But even stats can be used in many strange/incomplete ways. Like when Chinook uses just PPP to grade defense.

[AFMadison]

Usually stats>opinions.

But even stats can be used in many strange/incomplete ways. Like when Chinook uses just PPP to grade defense.
Stop deferring and come at me with something relevant.

[skulls138]

It's pointless to be critical of LMA when every other big the team had was trash (Timmy too save his retirement game and I hate admitting that).Its pointless because the season is over but its not pointless to be critical. LMA is supposed to be big #1. TD would notve let that happen prior to this season, and I am critical of Pops decision to not play him so much this season.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Jermaine O'Neal. Now that I think about this LMA does seem a whole lot like JO.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kiwi shriveled up, per par. Had he even made 1 or 2 of his bricks in game 2, it would've been the Spurs playing the Warriors right now... But his Beta DNA took over

[YGWHI]

Kiwi shriveled up, per par. Had he even made 1 or 2 of his bricks in game 2, it would've been the Spurs playing the Warriors right now... But his Beta DNA took over
You talk about "Kawhi's bricks" but forget that LMA missed several wide open jump shots in the 4th quarter of game 5... These haters/trolls :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

You talk about "Kawhi's bricks" but forget that LMA missed several wide open jump shots in the 4th quarter of game 5... These haters/trolls :lol
:cry don't attack my favorite player, what about LMA (First year as a Spur) & our 34yo PG? Why aren't you criticizing them? You act like Kawhi is in his athletic prime, is a max player, and Pop was gassing him to be the future :cry

[YGWHI]

But but BUT LMA IS PERFECT, Kawhi sucks
:sleep

[TheGreatYacht]

:sleep
LMA isn't perfect, he's a 1b option who needs a 1a. Kawhi is a third option

[tholdren]

Usually stats>opinions.

But even stats can be used in many strange/incomplete ways. Like when Chinook uses just PPP to grade defense.
Stats in the OKC series - KL highest usage, KL Most TO's, KL 6th in TS%, KL 28% from three.

KL LOST and hasn't led SA to any playoff series victory.

Keep trying

[Kawhitstorm]

Not even a good troll tbh. Aldridge was the best player in the playoffs. Kawhi second. Anyone who says otherwise is a player fan.
Ever heard of defense? (I suggest that you google it):wakeup

[AFMadison]

Ever heard of defense? (I suggest that you google it):wakeup
LMA tripled the amount of blocks Kawhi had in the series, and Kawhi tripled the amount of steals LMA had in the series. For their given positions, sounds pretty even to me. Sorry I had to wreck your post like that. Kawhi is a great player dude, I'm just keeping it real.

[Kawhitstorm]

LMA tripled the amount of blocks Kawhi had in the series, and Kawhi tripled the amount of steals LMA had in the series. For their given positions, sounds pretty even to me. Sorry I had to wreck your post like that. Kawhi is a great player dude, I'm just keeping it real.

Steal/Blocks :lmao (Based on your logic Curry was the best perimeter defender during the regular season b/c he led the league in steals)

[offset formation]

Remind me but there was a spur that had 30+ points the first 3 games vs okc?

That should have been enough to win the series. But Kawhi and co decided to shit the bed on game 2. Fucking pathetic fucks

And boom goes the dynamite

[skulls138]

I'm all Kawhi Leonard man, I created a damn YouTube dedication video for the guy: Kawhi Leonard Lebrons Kryptonite. But when the playoffs REALLY mattered. LMA was the best player on the team. Kawhi was the guy all season, not against the thunder though.Best scorer, yes, except in the fourth quarter, game 6

[Kawhitstorm]

Remind me but there was a spur that had 30+ points the first 3 games vs okc?

:lmao Softridge didn't score 30+ on the road, dude got lost at the airport.

Softridge was feasting on the shittiest post defender in the league (ChewBaka) & turned into a bitch when Adams switched onto him FULL-TIME in Gm 3 (8-21). Kawhi had more rebounds than Softridge & carried the team in the 4th quarter.


That should have been enough to win the series. But Kawhi and co decided to shit the bed on game 2. Fucking pathetic fucks

You mean the same game Kawhi held WestBrick to 5-18 shooting meanwhile Softridge had 8 rebounds in 42 minutes compared to Kanter's 8 in 18 minutes.:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Best scorer, yes, except in the fourth quarter, game 5

:toast

[Gagnrath]

The thunder got really hot for about 7 games in a row. When they do they beat anyone even greatly great teams. This spurs team didn't have much margin for error (especially after Tim and the knee thing) against the other top teams in the league. Spurs having a down night or the other team going nova would beat them.

I did not want to see the spurs big 3 go out like this, but I am afraid it happened. Unless Duncan's legs are close to beginning of this seasons I would rather not see him be a shell of himself. Manu has
been painfully his or miss for a few seasons now and Parker's one trick first step isn't an amazing trick anymore. When his jumper is on he is alright because his man has to be in his face but it isn't on much as the season wears along. Where to hide him on defense is also a painful question.

[skulls138]

:toast And further more the story of the series was rebounding, over and above KD and RW. Stephen Adams was literally exactly center under the basket for multiple offensive rebounds. How does that happen? The little bit that Duncan was in there he was battling Adams. He was ready for a fist fight. One game Duncan got in foul trouble but Pops really screwed Tim over...again, by not playing him.

[Mnky]

Stop deferring and come at me with something relevant.

That's the majority of responses on here. They defer like crazy and never post relevant statements. It's alright to make a new argument. but not before ceding the original argument.

Logic alludes them.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kiwi shriveled up, per par. Had he even made 1 or 2 of his bricks in game 2, it would've been the Spurs playing the Warriors right now... But his Beta DNA took over

Softridge shrunk as the series progressed b/c he didn't any part of Bogut after he dislocated his pinky.:baby

Kawhi meanwhile gave the league the blue-print on how defend Wardell/GayMond.:lol

[AFMadison]

Steal/Blocks :lmao (Based on your logic Curry was the best perimeter defender during the regular season b/c he led the league in steals)
Deferring at its finest. You claim Aldridge was soft because he hurt his pinky, then had a 38 point game, then a 41 point game, followed up by averaging around 20 points a game after that. I guess injuries progressively get worse as time goes on :lol. Seems to me like other players needed to step up and couldn't do so. You reference defense and I reference defensive stats and you blow it way out of proportion with dumb comparisons. If Kawhi was so fantastic at defense why did KD and Russ consistently go off as the series went on? Is your excuse that Danny or Tony were guarding them? Kawhi is the best defensive player in the league imo, but didn't show it when it mattered. He slowly disappeared and in game 6 let freaking Andre Roberson push him around. LMA looked like the only guy that went into the series with a killer mentality. When the defense shifted to stop him, nobody else came through. Stop deferring with emojis and come at me with some real bball talk.

[TheGreatYacht]

Softridge shrunk as the series progressed b/c he didn't any part of Bogut after he dislocated his pinky.:baby

Kawhi meanwhile gave the league the blue-print on how defend Wardell/GayMond.:lol
Kawhi didn't guard any of those guys :lmao

OKC is switching on everything, which has nothing to do with Kawhi.. Pop game planned that

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi didn't guard any of those guys :lmao

OKC is switching on everything, which has nothing to do with Kawhi.. Pop game planned that

Dumbass, KD playing the 4 & guarding Draymond was what bamboozled the Duds. Kawhi switched onto Draymond when the Spurs shut them down at AT&T. (Kerr didn't want to call the Draymond/Curry PnR)

[AFMadison]

Lol. Starts swinging and runs :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Dumbass, KD playing the 4 & guarding Draymond was what bamboozled the Duds. Kawhi switched onto Draymond when the Spurs shut them down at AT&T. (Kerr didn't want to call the Draymond/Curry PnR)
Did you even watch the fucking games? The only win the Spurs got on those fuckers was when Parker shut Curry down by himself. Draymond was their starting Center that game and LMA was ours, Diaw also helped on him. Kawhi was guarding Harrison Barnes and Brandon Rush...

Draymond wasnt doing shit against OKC because they were going big :lol KD has been on Green for the past 2 games because of Adams' foul trouble... And it ain't working

[Kawhitstorm]

If Kawhi was so fantastic at defense why did KD and Russ consistently go off as the series went on?.

:lmao

So, we're going to blame Kawhi for not guarding WestBrick & Dominos at the SAME time.:lol

Kawhi held WestBrick to 37% shooting w/ a minus defender (Porker) & an average defender (LMA) on the court for the MAJORITY of the series. Even Tim was sub-par defensively & D-Worst/Diaw/Patty/Manu were atrocious. Danny was basically the only other plus defender in that series & he was at times over-matched against 6'11' Durant.

Gm 2-WestBrick didn't score a SINGLE basket against Kawhi but let's blame Kawhi b/c Tim bricked 5 point blank layups which put the team in a 19-6 hole & Patty air balled a WIDE open 3.:lmao (BTW, Kawhi MORE THAN redeemed himself in Gm 3 & stole back HCA)

Gm 4-Kawhi held WestBrick to 5-18 shooting in Gm 4 but let's blame Kawhi b/c Durant caught fire when Danny was guarding him & Kawhi couldn't put it out.:lmao

Gm 5- Kawhi shot 12/20 w/ 5 steals while forcing Westbrick into committing 8 turnovers & 12/27 shooting night despite making terrible hero shots that had Pop shaking his head: (see Pop's reaction at the 9 sec mark::lol)

bm3fwmSZ3Jc

Let's blame Kawhi for going 2/3 in the 4th quarter while Softridge was throwing up brick in the 2nd half (3-12) & getting his ass dug on the boards. The worst offender was none other than Porky Pig who put on a brick show during crunch time when OKC was daring him to beat them:



1:08.0


90-90

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft


1:08.0
Defensive rebound by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)

90-90




0:55.0
Shooting foul by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))

90-90




0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2
+1
91-90




0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2
+1
92-90




0:43.0
Personal foul by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)

92-90




0:43.0


92-91
+1
T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


0:43.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses free throw 2 of 2


0:42.0
Defensive rebound by R. Westbrook (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html)

92-91




0:42.0
Oklahoma City full timeout

92-91




0:30.0
Turnover by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html))

92-91




0:11.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft



**Durant was 1/4 & committed a cruitial turnover at the end of Gm 5 but Porker bricked what should have been the go ahead shot w/ 11 seconds left so NOBODY called him out. :lol "the victor goes the spoils"**

Gm 6: The Spurs were up 19-17 then Kyle checked in for Kawhi & OKC went on a 10-0 run from which the Spurs NEVER recovered. Kawhi started jacking up shots trying to shoot them back into the game b/c nobody else could make a shot. He tried to lead a charge in the 3rd quarter but the Spurs couldn't stop OKC b/c even Roberson was knocking down 3s.:lol



2:47.0
K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) enters the game for K. Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)

19-17




2:37.0
Turnover by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) (lost ball; steal by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html))

19-17




2:26.0


19-19
+2
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 11 ft (assist by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))


2:07.0
Turnover by P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html) (step out of bounds)

19-19




1:51.0


19-19

Shooting foul by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))


1:51.0


19-20
+1
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


1:51.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) enters the game for P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)

19-20




1:51.0


19-21
+1
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2


1:41.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) misses 2-pt shot from 2 ft (block by R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html))

19-21




1:40.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html)


1:31.0


19-21

K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 10 ft


1:30.0
Defensive rebound by K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html)

19-21




1:12.0
K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft

19-21




1:12.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by Team


0:49.0


19-21

R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 25 ft


0:48.0
Defensive rebound by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html)

19-21




0:41.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) misses 3-pt shot from 24 ft

19-21




0:40.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)


0:26.0


19-23
+2
S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html))


0:06.0
Turnover by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))

19-23




0:02.0


19-25
+2
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))


0:01.0


19-25

Personal foul by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)


0:00.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 44 ft

19-25




0:00.0
Offensive rebound by Team

19-25




0:00.0
End of 1st quarter


Who's to blame?:

zmZzRle_wMo


Instead of typing dense sentences I need you to break it down for me w/ FACTs not w/ your EMOTIONS.

[Kawhitstorm]

Did you even watch the fucking games? The only win the Spurs got on those fuckers was when Parker shut Curry down by himself. Draymond was their starting Center that game and LMA was ours, Diaw also helped on him. Kawhi was guarding Harrison Barnes and Brandon Rush...g

Dumbass, Kawhi was guarding Draymond in the 4th quarter while Diaw/LMA were on either Barnes/Rush. The Duds avoided using GayMond as the screener & instead tried to attack Softridge by using Barnes as the screener which had terrible consequences.:lol


But here’s where things get interesting: Kawhi was matched up with Draymond Green, the C of the Warriors starting line-up. This meant that Aldridge and Diaw were responsible for Barnes and Rush. There is opportunity for the Warriors to exploit this. For one game, at least, they were unable to.

The Kawhi-on-Draymond pairing is at the crux of this series. Both players are wholly unique and provide so much flexibility for each team. Both players are similar in size and skill. Both players are excellent two-way players. Draymond, however, has found his greatest value as an extreme small-ball center, while Leonard still does most of his damage as a forward.

We see what dangerous cross matches are presented when Leonard guards Green. So why is this match-up so important? Because of the Curry-Green pick and roll. The Warriors love to use this to get a big switched on to Curry and to get a small on to Green. Suddenly, the Warriors have huge mismatches at two significant positions.

So when the Spurs put Danny Green on Curry and Kawhi on Draymond, suddenly switching that pick and roll becomes a lot less advantageous for the Warriors. Kawhi can match up with Curry, and Danny can do his best on Draymond.

We didn’t see a whole lot of this last night, partially because the Warriors went away from it. If the Warriors aren’t using it as much, that’s a victory for the Spurs.



As far as Curry, I'm talking about the game last season where Kawhi used his length to suffocate him & forced him to cough up the ball which is what OKC is doing.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dumbass, Kawhi was guarding Draymond in the 4th quarter while Diaw/LMA were on either Barnes/Rush. The Duds avoided using GayMond as the screener & instead tried to attack Softridge by using Barnes as the screener which had terrible consequences.:lol
Kawhi guarded Raymond in the 4th... What, you want me to give him props or some shit? It's the least he could do after shooting 5/14 and hiding on defense for three quarters.


As far as Curry, I'm talking about the game last season where Kawhi used his length to suffocate him & forced him to cough up the ball which is what OKC is doing.
Oh that game 2 seasons ago when Curry wasnt at his peak yet.

I didn't see Kawhi do anything special defensively against Golden State this year. Could've had at least 4 more shots at them... But y'know

[AFMadison]

:lmao

So, we're going to blame Kawhi for not guarding WestBrick & Dominos at the SAME time.:lol

Kawhi held WestBrick to 37% shooting w/ a minus defender (Porker) & an average defender (LMA) on the court for the MAJORITY of the series. Even Tim was sub-par defensively & D-Worst/Diaw/Patty/Manu were atrocious. Danny was basically the only other plus defender in that series & he was at times over-matched against 6'11' Durant.

Gm 2-WestBrick didn't score a SINGLE basket against Kawhi but let's blame Kawhi b/c Tim bricked 5 point blank layups which put the team in a 19-6 hole & Patty air balled a WIDE open 3.:lmao (BTW, Kawhi MORE THAN redeemed himself in Gm 3 & stole back HCA)

Gm 4-Kawhi held WestBrick to 5-18 shooting in Gm 4 but let's blame Kawhi b/c Durant caught fire when Danny was guarding him & Kawhi couldn't put it out.:lmao

Gm 5- Kawhi shot 12/20 w/ 5 steals while forcing Westbrick into committing 8 turnovers & 12/27 shooting night despite making terrible hero shots that had Pop shaking his head: (see Pop's reaction at the 9 sec mark::lol)

bm3fwmSZ3Jc

Let's blame Kawhi for going 2/3 in the 4th quarter while Softridge was throwing up brick in the 2nd half (3-12) & getting his ass dug on the boards. The worst offender was none other than Porky Pig who put on a brick show during crunch time when OKC was daring him to beat them:



1:08.0


90-90

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft


1:08.0
Defensive rebound by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)

90-90




0:55.0
Shooting foul by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))

90-90




0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2
+1
91-90




0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2
+1
92-90




0:43.0
Personal foul by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)

92-90




0:43.0


92-91
+1
T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


0:43.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses free throw 2 of 2


0:42.0
Defensive rebound by R. Westbrook (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html)

92-91




0:42.0
Oklahoma City full timeout

92-91




0:30.0
Turnover by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html))

92-91




0:11.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft



**Durant was 1/4 & committed a cruitial turnover at the end of Gm 5 but Porker bricked what should have been the go ahead shot w/ 11 seconds left so NOBODY called him out. :lol "the victor goes the spoils"**

Gm 6: The Spurs were up 19-17 then Kyle checked in for Kawhi & OKC went on a 10-0 run from which the Spurs NEVER recovered. Kawhi started jacking up shots trying to shoot them back into the game b/c nobody else could make a shot. He tried to lead a charge in the 3rd quarter but the Spurs couldn't stop OKC b/c even Roberson was knocking down 3s.:lol



2:47.0
K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) enters the game for K. Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)

19-17




2:37.0
Turnover by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) (lost ball; steal by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html))

19-17




2:26.0


19-19
+2
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 11 ft (assist by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))


2:07.0
Turnover by P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html) (step out of bounds)

19-19




1:51.0


19-19

Shooting foul by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))


1:51.0


19-20
+1
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


1:51.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) enters the game for P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)

19-20




1:51.0


19-21
+1
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2


1:41.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) misses 2-pt shot from 2 ft (block by R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html))

19-21




1:40.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html)


1:31.0


19-21

K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 10 ft


1:30.0
Defensive rebound by K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html)

19-21




1:12.0
K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft

19-21




1:12.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by Team


0:49.0


19-21

R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 25 ft


0:48.0
Defensive rebound by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html)

19-21




0:41.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) misses 3-pt shot from 24 ft

19-21




0:40.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)


0:26.0


19-23
+2
S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html))


0:06.0
Turnover by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))

19-23




0:02.0


19-25
+2
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))


0:01.0


19-25

Personal foul by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)


0:00.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 44 ft

19-25




0:00.0
Offensive rebound by Team

19-25




0:00.0
End of 1st quarter


Who's to blame?:

zmZzRle_wMo


Instead of typing dense sentences I need you to break it down for me w/ FACTs not w/ your EMOTIONS.
I think you've forgotten your entire proposition. Your proposition was that Kawhi was the best player in the series against OKC. I stated it was LMA. These posts are worthless because your entire point is "but let's blame Kawhi". Nobody is blaming Kawhi. Statistically LMA was the best player on the court for the Spurs against OKC. Use less of these: :lmao , and stick to the point of the topic, which you completely deferred from. We did not see one breakout game from Kawhi. Maybe game 5. When you have a team change their game plan because of one player, you realize who the threat is, and they weren't game planning to stop Kawhi. Get back to the subject matter and make a case for Kawhi and not excuses. It's a desperation tactic to try and win an argument you've already lost buddy. Go back and re-read our conversation. We're not here to blame other players, we're simply comparing Kawhi and LMA as to who was the best player on the floor for the Spurs against OKC. Try again.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi guarded Raymond in the 4th... What, you want me to give him props or some shit? It's the least he could do after shooting 5/14 and hiding on defense for three quarters.

:lmao

Last I checked Pop doesn't play his cards in the regular season until the 4th quarter & the usage rate for the Curry/GayMond PnR increases the 4th quarter.:lol

Besides, Kawhi led the team in rebounding including the game sealing offensive rebound after a Porker brick & he also had a better TS% than the offensive star of the game: Softridge (51% vs. 48%).:lmao


Oh that game 2 seasons ago when Curry wasnt at his peak yet.

Yeah, the same season he won the MVP & broke the 3 point record.:lol


I didn't see Kawhi do anything special defensively against Golden State this year. Could've had at least 4 more shots at them... But y'know

Nobody was pressuring Curry when he crossed halfcourt back in 2014-15 b/c of his handles that had cats ending up on highlight reels then Kawhi made him cought it up & all of a sudden everyone started pressuring him.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think you've forgotten your entire proposition. Your proposition was that Kawhi was the best player in the series against OKC.

I didn't know the series ended after Gm 2.:lmao (Maybe that's why LMA left his game in SA)

Gm 1:
-LMA: 38/6 (18-23; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 25/5/5 (10-13; TS: 84%)
-WestBrick: 5-19 (26%)
-Chewbaka: 8-15 (53%)
-Spurs outrebound OKC 43 to 38
Conclusion: Meh game for Kawhi right b/c he didn't score 38.:wakeup

Gm 2:
-LMA: 41/8 (15/21; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 14/7 (7/18: TS: 37%)
-WestBrick: 11/25 (44%) **Didn't score a bucket against Kawhi**
-Chewbak: 5-10 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 48 to 37

Conclusion: Kawhi was atrocious b/c there is no such thing as defense.:lol

Gm 3:
-LMA: 24/8 (8-21; TS: 47%)
-Kawhi: 31/11/3 (9-17; TS: 67%) *scored 13 in the 4th quarter*
-WestBrick: 10/31 (32%)
-Chewbaka: 5/8 (62%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 42 to 37
Conclusion: Meh, just an average game for Kawhi.:sleep

Gm 4:
-LMA: 20/6 (8-18, TS: 49%)
-Kawhi: 21/6/4/2 (7-19, TS: 47%)
-WestBrick: 5/18 (27%):lol
-ChewBaka: 3/6 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 40 to 34

Conclusion: Kawhi had a bad defensive game b/c he couldn't guard WestBrick & Dominos at the same time.:bang

Gm 5:
-LMA: 20/9 (6-21, TS: 40%)**3-12 in the 2nd half**
-Kawhi: 26/6/4/5 (12/21, TS: 60%) **2/3 in the 4th quarter**
-WestBrick: 12/27 (44%)
-ChewBaka: 2/4 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 54 to 36.:lol

Conclusion: Kawhi crumbled under pressure.:cry

Gm 6:

zmZzRle_wMo

So,
-Gm 1: Wash
-Gm 2: LMA
-Gm 3: Kawhi
-Gm 4: Wash
-Gm 5: Kawhi

Conclusion: LMA outplayed Kawhi in ONE GAME, the rest was a wash or Kawhi outplayed him. Your ENTIRE argument on the ENTIRE series is based on one game: Gm 2.:lol

[YGWHI]

That's the majority of responses on here. They defer like crazy and never post relevant statements.
Well, your relevant statement was "LMA carried the Spurs through 3 games" when it was just in game 2.

In game 1 Kawhi scored 25 points in only 21 minutes, Danny was making his 3's, the whole team looked great...And in game 3 Kawhi scored 31 points and LMA 24...Still don't get how he carried us in those two games.

[Kawhitstorm]

In game 1 Kawhi scored 25 points in only 21 minutes

Myopic haters are overlooking Kawhi's Gm 1 performance b/c LMA put up 38 when Kawhi actually had a more efficient game & locked up WestBrick while ChewBaka was getting some points back on the other end against LMA.

-LMA: 38/6 (18-23; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 25/5/5 (10-13; TS: 84%)
-WestBrick: 5-19 (26%)
-Chewbaka: 8-15 (53%)

726599517559218179

[AFMadison]

I didn't know the series ended after Gm 2.:lmao (Maybe that's why LMA left his game in SA)

Gm 1:
-LMA: 38/6 (18-23; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 25/5/5 (10-13; TS: 84%)
-WestBrick: 5-19 (26%)
-Chewbaka: 8-15 (53%)
-Spurs outrebound OKC 43 to 38
Conclusion: Meh game for Kawhi right b/c he didn't score 38.:wakeup

Gm 2:
-LMA: 41/8 (15/21; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 14/7 (7/18: TS: 37%)
-WestBrick: 11/25 (44%) **Didn't score a bucket against Kawhi**
-Chewbak: 5-10 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 48 to 37

Conclusion: Kawhi was atrocious b/c there is no such thing as defense.:lol

Gm 3:
-LMA: 24/8 (8-21; TS: 47%)
-Kawhi: 31/11/3 (9-17; TS: 67%) *scored 13 in the 4th quarter*
-WestBrick: 10/31 (32%)
-Chewbaka: 5/8 (62%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 42 to 37
Conclusion: Meh, just an average game for Kawhi.:sleep

Gm 4:
-LMA: 20/6 (8-18, TS: 49%)
-Kawhi: 21/6/4/2 (7-19, TS: 47%)
-WestBrick: 5/18 (27%):lol
-ChewBaka: 3/6 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 40 to 34

Conclusion: Kawhi had a bad defensive game b/c he couldn't guard WestBrick & Dominos at the same time.:bang

Gm 5:
-LMA: 20/9 (6-21, TS: 40%)**3-12 in the 2nd half**
-Kawhi: 26/6/4/5 (12/21, TS: 60%) **2/3 in the 4th quarter**
-WestBrick: 12/27 (44%)
-ChewBaka: 2/4 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 54 to 36.:lol

Conclusion: Kawhi crumbled under pressure.:cry

Gm 6:

zmZzRle_wMo

So,
-Gm 1: Wash
-Gm 2: LMA
-Gm 3: Kawhi
-Gm 4: Wash
-Gm 5: Kawhi

Conclusion: LMA outplayed Kawhi in ONE GAME, the rest was a wash or Kawhi outplayed him. Your ENTIRE argument on the ENTIRE series is based on one game: Gm 2.:lol
Lol this is cute.

Game 1: LMA
Game 1 a wash? You act like LMA was just standing around on defense. Dude was a force in the paint on defense. LMA was unstoppable. Opened up our entire offense. Leonard played great defense, so did LMA.

Game 2: LMA
Clearly. Kawhi was not atrocious, but clearly didn't have the impact LMA had.

Game 3: Kawhi
Clearly his game for taking it over and helping us bounce back after game 2.

Game 4: LMA
Kawhi got wrecked by Durant. Got ripped by Durant, bricked two wide open 3's in a row that would have been clutch. Turnovers were costly. Edge to LMA. Don't make excuses, Kawhi was getting burned by whoever he was guarding in the 4th.

Game 5: Kawhi
LMA choked it up in the 4th.

Game 6: LMA
LMA did what he had to do on the boards, led everybody on both teams, shot 50%. Kawhi started chucking. Kawhi got stuffed by Roberson, ripped by Roberson. Icing on the cake.

And that's how the cookie crumbles.
Feel free to post irrelevant Pop YouTube videos.

[AFMadison]

Myopic haters are overlooking Kawhi's Gm 1 performance b/c LMA put up 38 when Kawhi actually had a more efficient game & locked up WestBrick while ChewBaka was getting some points back on the other end against LMA.

-LMA: 38/6 (18-23; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 25/5/5 (10-13; TS: 84%)
-WestBrick: 5-19 (26%)
-Chewbaka: 8-15 (53%)

726599517559218179
So you would choose 10-13 on 84% shooting over 18-23 on 80% shooting. 4% difference on 10 more shots. Player fans stretching the shtick to the max. Your problem is you think everyone hates Kawhi because you so gracefully have his nuts resting on your chin. Everyone here loves the Spurs bro, sometime you gotta just be able to handle the truth. Nobody is overlooking his performance bro, he's in a Spurs jersey.

[Kawhitstorm]

Feel free to post irrelevant Pop YouTube videos.

I'm pretty sure you will also find this objective data to be irrelevant: (Check who the LVP is for 50% of the games in the series including Gm 4 where Kawhi got "burned", hint: it's the guy Kawhi was guarding the entire series)


Stats in the OKC series



Oklahoma City Thunder http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/OKC.gif

92


Excitement
1.4 [1307]


MVP
Kawhi Leonard (SAS): +9.7%


San Antonio Spurs http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/SAS.gif

124


Comeback
1.0 [1096]


LVP
Russell Westbrook (OKC): -7.9%






Oklahoma City Thunder http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/OKC.gif
98


Excitement
7.2 [411]


MVP
LaMarcus Aldridge (SAS): +55.2%


San Antonio Spurs http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/SAS.gif
97


Comeback
1.5 [376]


LVP
Patty Mills (SAS): -28.8%





San Antonio Spurs http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/SAS.gif
100


Excitement
7.4 [374]


MVP
Kawhi Leonard (SAS): +33.1%


Oklahoma City Thunder http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/OKC.gif
96


Comeback
2.4 [323]


LVP
Russell Westbrook (OKC): -16.8%





San Antonio Spurs http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/SAS.gif
97


Excitement
7.0 [445]


MVP
Kevin Durant (OKC): +26.0%


Oklahoma City Thunder http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/OKC.gif
111


Comeback
3.0 [566]


LVP
Russell Westbrook (OKC): -22.1%






Oklahoma City Thunder http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/OKC.gif
95


Excitement
9.0 [143]


MVP
Danny Green (SAS): +32.7%


San Antonio Spurs http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/SAS.gif
91


Comeback
6.4 [90]


LVP
Tony Parker (SAS): -26.0%





San Antonio Spurs http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/SAS.gif
99


Excitement
2.4 [1259]


MVP
Steven Adams (OKC): +9.3%


Oklahoma City Thunder http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/OKC.gif
113


Comeback
1.6 [856]


LVP
Manu Ginobili (SAS): -6.0%

[Kawhitstorm]

So you would choose 10-13 on 84% shooting over 18-23 on 80% shooting. 4% difference on 10 more shots. Player fans stretching the shtick to the max. Your problem is you think everyone hates Kawhi because you so gracefully have his nuts resting on your chin. Everyone here loves the Spurs bro, sometime you gotta just be able to handle the truth. Nobody is overlooking his performance bro, he's in a Spurs jersey.



Oklahoma City Thunder http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/OKC.gif
92


Excitement
1.4 [1307]


MVP
Kawhi Leonard (SAS): +9.7%


San Antonio Spurs http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/gameinfo/teamlogos/SAS.gif
124


Comeback
1.0 [1096]


LVP
Russell Westbrook (OKC): -7.9%

[AFMadison]

I'm pretty sure you will also find this objective data to be irrelevant: (Check who the LVP is for 50% of the games in the series including Gm 4 where Kawhi got "burned", hint: it's the guy Kawhi was guarding the entire series)
So let's see, you are basing your MVP on WPA. Because that is how those MVPs and LVPs were determined.
Kawhi was getting burned by Durant at the end of game 4, and Durant was the MVP, lol.

If you wanna talk WPA for the entire series, LMA ranked 6, Kawhi 9. :lol
Westbrook also led ALL players in that series in assists WPA and ranked 7 in kWPA. (Kitchen sink)

Damn

I'll repeat it to make it clear. You wanna use WPA for one game, I'll use YOUR stat for the whole damn series:

6. LMA


9. Kawhi

Basing MVPs off WPA would mean LMA was the MVP for the Spurs against the Thunder. Thus proving the entire point of my argument against yours. Thanks for proving my point for me. :hat

[Kawhitstorm]

So let's see, you are basing your MVP on WPA. Because that is how those MVPs and LVPs were determined.
Kawhi was getting burned by Durant at the end of game 4, and Durant was the MVP, lol.

You mean after he had already caught fire in the 3rd quarter & had gotten Danny in foul trouble?:lol Durant is impossible to guard once he gets rolling b/c dude in 6'11" & can shoot over any defender even if they are in his jersey. Dude has flambeed Iggy when he tries to put out the fire than Barnes started NUMEROUS times that Kerr decided to start him in the 2nd half of Gm 6 after what he saw in the 4th quarter of Gm 5.:lol

What's more relevant is LMA offering little resistance in the paint when OKC was pounding the glass considering that supposed to be his domain b/c he sure wasn't guarding Ibaka on the perimeter.:lol


If you wanna talk WPA for the entire series, LMA ranked 6, Kawhi 9. :lol

Again, that is HEAVILY skewed b/c of Gm 2 where LMA had the highest WPA of the postseason where he has hitting 3s as if he was Dirk.


Westbrook also led ALL players in that series in assists WPA and ranked 7 in kWPA. (Kitchen sink)

WestBrick should be ranked #1 considering the fact he plays w/ Durant, Ibaka who's shooting 100% in the postseason along w/ Adams/Kanter finishing everything in the paint like prime Shaq. Even Roberson is knocking down 3s.:lol


I'll repeat it to make it clear. You wanna use WPA for one game, I'll use YOUR stat for the whole damn series

You do understand WPA DOESN'T factor is the DEFENSIVE side of the ball, RIGHT?:lol (Although, you can measure the defensive impact a player has by looking at the WPA of the player they were guarding)

Let me break it down for you game-by-game:

Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02


Basing MVPs off WPA would mean LMA was the MVP for the Spurs against the Thunder. Thus proving the entire point of my argument against yours. Thanks for proving my point for me.

So based on the NET rating, LMA was a negative in 3 games while Kawhi was a negative in one game which proves my point that you aren't factoring in defense & that you're STILL making a case for LMA based on Gm 2 when he had the highest WPA of the postseason. You're essentially using an outlier as the crux of your argument.:lol

Even if you just want to use the WPA without factoring in defense then Kawhi has had a higher WPA w/ a significant margin (>0.05 difference) in 3 games (Gm 3-5) to LMA's one (Gm 2). There wasn't a significant margin seperating them in Gm 1/Gm 6 so let's just call it a wash.
Holla at me when your argument has any legs to stand on if Gm 2 is seen for what it is, an EXTEME outlier.:wakeup

[Neurosis]

LMA went fucking supernova in game 2 while everyone else left their testicles in the locker room. This series wasn't lost because of LMA.

It rests on the heads of Pop and his shitty rotations/total lack of adjustments and a few key rotation players who gave us nothing.

[AFMadison]

You mean after he had already caught fire in the 3rd quarter & had gotten Danny in foul trouble?:lol Durant is impossible to guard once he gets rolling b/c dude in 6'11" & can shoot over any defender even if they are in his jersey. Dude has flambeed Iggy when he tries to put out the fire than Barnes started NUMEROUS times that Kerr decided to start him in the 2nd half of Gm 6 after what he saw in the 4th quarter of Gm 5.:lol

What's more relevant is LMA offering little resistance in the paint when OKC was pounding the glass considering that supposed to be his domain b/c he sure wasn't guarding Ibaka on the perimeter.:lol



Again, that is HEAVILY skewed b/c of Gm 2 where LMA had the highest WPA of the postseason where he has hitting 3s as if he was Dirk.



WestBrick should be ranked #1 considering the fact he plays w/ Durant, Ibaka who's shooting 100% in the postseason along w/ Adams/Kanter finishing everything in the paint like prime Shaq. Even Roberson is knocking down 3s.:lol



You do understand WPA DOESN'T factor is the DEFENSIVE side of the ball, RIGHT?:lol (Although, you can measure the defensive impact a player has by looking at the WPA of the player they were guarding)

Let me break it down for you game-by-game:

Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02



So based on the NET rating, LMA was a negative in 3 games while Kawhi was a negative in one game which proves my point that you aren't factoring in defense & that you're STILL making a case for LMA based on Gm 2 when he had the highest WPA of the postseason. You're essentially using an outlier as the crux of your argument.:lol

Even if you just want to use the WPA without factoring in defense then Kawhi has had a higher WPA w/ a significant margin (>0.05 difference) in 3 games (Gm 3-5) to LMA's one (Gm 2). There wasn't a significant margin seperating them in Gm 1/Gm 6 so let's just call it a wash.
Holla at me when your argument has any legs to stand on if Gm 2 is seen for what it is, an EXTEME outlier.:wakeup

Stumped I see.

Ill repeat again:

Overall WPA against OKC:
WPA projects the MVP's of a team.

LMA at 6 ahead of Kawhi at 9 would make LMA the MVP for the Spurs against OKC with every game factored in. I can't help that LMA's game 2 performance was so incredible that it put him above Kawhi. Dude was just that good. You can break it down game by game, but the argument is who was the best overall performer against OKC, and the stats that project "MVP", which is what we were debating, is LMA. You can have your own opinion man, that's cool, but facts > opinions. :lmao

Oh oh and edit, if you want to debate on per game WPA, LMA led Kawhi as well. :wow
Kawhi also almost beat out Tony for Turnover WPA. That is expected of Tony because he is PG, but Kawhi
:wow

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm Stumped by the insightful data:cry

FIFY


Overall WPA against OKC:
WPA projects the MVP's of a team.

WPA is used on "game-by-game" basis to project the "OFFENSIVE" MVP.


LMA at 6 ahead of Kawhi at 9 would make LMA the MVP for the Spurs against OKC with every game factored in. I can't help that LMA's game 2 performance was so incredible that it put him above Kawhi. Dude was just that good.

LMAO, you just circled back to the FLAW in your argument which is relying on one outlier game to make a blanket statement on the ENTIRE series. It's the equivalent of saying the Spurs outscored OKC for the duration of the series so they outplayed them simply b/c of one outlier game.:lol


You can break it down game by game, but the argument is who was the best overall performer against OKC, and the stats that project "MVP", which is what we were debating, is LMA. You can have your own opinion man, that's cool, but facts > opinions. :lmao

:lmao

Last I checked it was a 6 game series w/ 6 SEPARATE games rather than a series w/ 24 quarters.:lol You can't carryover your point totals to the next game, one game ends & another one starts from zero thus the way you evaluate a player is by looking at each separate game then tallying their score similar to when a fight goes to a decision in boxing. Using the boxing analogy, you're basically claiming that you can't win a fight if you get knocked down & not getting hit doesn't mean shyt. Actually, let's give LMA/Kawhi a scorecard:

Gm 1: 10-10
Gm 2: 10-7 LMA:lol
Gm 3: 10-8 Kawhi
Gm 4: 10-9 Kawhi
Gm 5: 10-9 Kawhi
Gm 6: 10-10

Decision: 57-56 Kawhi


Oh oh and edit, if you want to debate on per game WPA, LMA led Kawhi as well. :wow

Dumbass, whomever has the highest total WPA is also going to have the higher per game WPA as long as they played the same amount of games. It's called elementary math::lol


Kawhi also almost beat out Tony for Turnover WPA. That is expected of Tony because he is PG, but Kawhi:wow

Assists:

Kawhi: 22
LaMarcus "Blackhole" Softridge: 9

Both had the same USG%::lmao

[AFMadison]

FIFY



WPA is used on "game-by-game" basis to project the "OFFENSIVE" MVP.
WPA also has defensive statistics. Kawhi taking steals, LMA taking blocks. :wow


LMAO, you just circled back to the FLAW in your argument which is relying on one outlier game to make a blanket statement on the ENTIRE series. It's the equivalent of saying the Spurs outscored OKC for the duration of the series so they outplayed them simply b/c of one outlier game.:lol
Stats don't lie. Dumb analogy.


:lmao

Last I checked it was a 6 game series w/ 6 SEPARATE games rather than a series w/ 24 quarters.:lol You can't carryover your point totals to the next game, one game ends & another one starts from zero thus the way you evaluate a player is by looking at each separate game then tallying their score similar to when a fight goes to a decision in boxing. Using the boxing analogy, you're basically claiming that you can't win a fight if you get knocked down & not getting hit doesn't mean shyt. Actually, let's give LMA/Kawhi a scorecard:

A scorecard card would tally up the totals from the full contest. That's what I did with WPA which YOU USED TO TRY AND PROVE KAWHI WAS THE MVP. When I used the stat in totality to prove LMA as the series MVP, guess what, you deflected...... :lmao
That's how an MVP is decided, from an overall performance.

Gm 1: 10-10
Gm 2: 10-7 LMA:lol
Gm 3: 10-8 Kawhi
Gm 4: 10-9 Kawhi
Gm 5: 10-9 Kawhi
Gm 6: 10-10

Decision: 57-56 Kawhi It would actually be LMA 0.43, Kawhi 0.39 (I mean if we're talking stats > opinions)
Opinions. We've already covered this. You keep changing them also.. :lol



Dumbass, whomever has the highest total WPA is also going to have the higher per game WPA as long as they played the same amount of games. It's called elementary math::lol
Hey so now you understand that they played the same amount of games, sorry LMA had some very dominant ones. Maybe I should have put it in blue font for you. :lmao



Assists:

Kawhi: 22
LaMarcus "Blackhole" Softridge: 9

Both had the same USG%::lmao
Kawhi per game TO WPA: -0.4
Parker: -0.4
I was wrong, they actually tied the team for dead last.:lmao
Sorry I keep doin it to ya. Too much fun.

[tholdren]

I didn't know the series ended after Gm 2.:lmao (Maybe that's why LMA left his game in SA)

Gm 1:
-LMA: 38/6 (18-23; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 25/5/5 (10-13; TS: 84%)
-WestBrick: 5-19 (26%)
-Chewbaka: 8-15 (53%)
-Spurs outrebound OKC 43 to 38
Conclusion: Meh game for Kawhi right b/c he didn't score 38.:wakeup

Gm 2:
-LMA: 41/8 (15/21; TS: 80%)
-Kawhi: 14/7 (7/18: TS: 37%)
-WestBrick: 11/25 (44%) **Didn't score a bucket against Kawhi**
-Chewbak: 5-10 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 48 to 37

Conclusion: Kawhi was atrocious b/c there is no such thing as defense.:lol

Gm 3:
-LMA: 24/8 (8-21; TS: 47%)
-Kawhi: 31/11/3 (9-17; TS: 67%) *scored 13 in the 4th quarter*
-WestBrick: 10/31 (32%)
-Chewbaka: 5/8 (62%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 42 to 37
Conclusion: Meh, just an average game for Kawhi.:sleep

Gm 4:
-LMA: 20/6 (8-18, TS: 49%)
-Kawhi: 21/6/4/2 (7-19, TS: 47%)
-WestBrick: 5/18 (27%):lol
-ChewBaka: 3/6 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 40 to 34

Conclusion: Kawhi had a bad defensive game b/c he couldn't guard WestBrick & Dominos at the same time.:bang

Gm 5:
-LMA: 20/9 (6-21, TS: 40%)**3-12 in the 2nd half**
-Kawhi: 26/6/4/5 (12/21, TS: 60%) **2/3 in the 4th quarter**
-WestBrick: 12/27 (44%)
-ChewBaka: 2/4 (50%)
-OKC outrebounds the Spurs 54 to 36.:lol

Conclusion: Kawhi crumbled under pressure.:cry

Gm 6:

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So,
-Gm 1: Wash
-Gm 2: LMA
-Gm 3: Kawhi
-Gm 4: Wash
-Gm 5: Kawhi

Conclusion: LMA outplayed Kawhi in ONE GAME, the rest was a wash or Kawhi outplayed him. Your ENTIRE argument on the ENTIRE series is based on one game: Gm 2.:lol
dude, you're an idiot.

[K...]

lma and kl, who played better against okc.....a couple points. LMA's monster games were possible bc okc let him carry the offense., That said he played well when he was are only healthy quality big.

Kawhi on the other hand played well but wasn't the clutch closer we are looking for. Either he gassed out, got abused by refs, or just sucks, but if the answer is that god damn roberson is the new mat barnes y'all player fans should just take the "L"


LMA was guarded by a former first league degender in ibaka and a future max contact big in Adams. Kawhi was guarded by okc's weakest players. Kawhi had on paper more to do in the game, but again, that would be gassing or choking. LMA was in a tough situation, dominated when the match up was favorable, produced reliably when he was targeted for shut down.




If duncan was healthy then our bigs were better then everyone's, cept maybe clippers. He wasn't healthy as 40 yr old player often are. Boo hoo. KAwhi was 100% healthy and did not have a bad matchup on offense.

[AFMadison]

dude, you're an idiot.


lma and kl, who played better against okc.....a couple points. LMA's monster games were possible bc okc let him carry the offense., That said he played well when he was are only healthy quality big.

Kawhi on the other hand played well but wasn't the clutch closer we are looking for. Either he gassed out, got abused by refs, or just sucks, but if the answer is that god damn roberson is the new mat barnes y'all player fans should just take the "L"


LMA was guarded by a former first league degender in ibaka and a future max contact big in Adams. Kawhi was guarded by okc's weakest players. Kawhi had on paper more to do in the game, but again, that would be gassing or choking. LMA was in a tough situation, dominated when the match up was favorable, produced reliably when he was targeted for shut down.




If duncan was healthy then our bigs were better then everyone's, cept maybe clippers. He wasn't healthy as 40 yr old player often are. Boo hoo. KAwhi was 100% healthy and did not have a bad matchup on offense.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi was guarded by okc's weakest players...Kawhi was 100% healthy and did not have a bad matchup on offense.

It seems these trolls didn't look Roberson defensive stats in the whole playoffs...I wouldn't call him a "weak" defender.

Kawhi was guarded by the best OKC perimeter defender while had the toughest matchup on defense guarding Westbrook.

[Kawhitstorm]

Sorry I keep doin it to ya. Too much fun.

LaMarcus "I only show up in the first 2 games of a series" Softrigde did the same thing in 2014. Sorry, EVERYONE has seen that horror movie before & it ended w/ Softridge getting owned by Tiago Splitter after getting bailed out by Lillard. The Blazers dumped Softridge, replaced him w/ none other than Mo Harkless & one-upped him.:lmao

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Aldridge essentially disappeared after the first two games, averaging 20.5 points and shooting 39.7 percent from the floor in the final four games of the series.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm an idiot.

FIFY

[TD 21]

LaMarcus "I only show up in the first 2 games of a series" Softrigde did the same thing in 2014. Sorry, EVERYONE has seen that horror movie before & it ended w/ Softridge getting owned by Tiago Splitter after getting bailed out by Lillard. The Blazers dumped Softridge, replaced him w/ none other than Mo Harkless & one-upped him.:lmao

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Great and choked are the two most overused words in sports, especially the latter in basketball.

It's called law of averages and the sport being inherently volatile, particularly the way it's played today.

This notion that certain players/teams are predisposed to being clutch/choking, is generally nonsense. Thompson was supposedly a playoff choker. Is he now all of a sudden "clutch", or did, as Lowe termed it, sports happen?

I stopped buying this cliche "choked" nonsense and started realizing just how random a lot of these close finishes are, in game 6 of the '14 WCF. The Spurs could have easily lost that game, but prevailed because more 50/50 shit just so happened to break their way. Vice versa was obviously true for game 6 of the '13 Finals. But because the Spurs have five championships and the Thunder have zero, they're branded as the poised, masters of execution and the Thunder as choke artists.

[Kawhitstorm]

It seems these trolls didn't look Roberson defensive stats in the whole playoffs...I wouldn't call him a "weak" defender.

Kawhi was guarded by the best OKC perimeter defender while had the toughest matchup on defense guarding Westbrook.



Ibaka was proven to be a terrible post defender by AARP Dirk. Let's not even talk about how AARP Tim & Diaw ate his lunch in 2014.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Great and choked are the two most overused words in sports, especially the latter in basketball.

It's called law of averages and the sport being inherently volatile, particularly the way it's played today.

This notion that certain players/teams are predisposed to being clutch/choking, is generally nonsense. Thompson was supposedly a playoff choker. Is he now all of a sudden "clutch", or did, as Lowe termed it, sports happen?

Nobody is claiming that a player choked b/c they missed shot, that's basically the Kawhi haters narrative.:lol

When players are ALL OF A SUDDEN passing up shots, committing turnover or taking rushed shots during pressure situations then they are playing tight. If they make a habit of it then they are chokers. Basically, you have to earn the label over a large sample size & Karl Malone is the perfect example.


I stopped buying this cliche "choked" nonsense and started realizing just how random a lot of these close finishes are, in game 6 of the '14 WCF. The Spurs could have easily lost that game, but prevailed because more 50/50 shit just so happened to break their way. Vice versa was obviously true for game 6 of the '13 Finals. But because the Spurs have five championships and the Thunder have zero, they're branded as the poised, masters of execution and the Thunder as choke artists.

Choking & random plays are TWO different things. The Spurs not grabbing the defensive rebound is a random play while OKC/Clippers turning the ball over on seemingly every possession in pressure situations is choking not b/c they were SCARED but b/c they all of a sudden started making DUMB decisions after dumb decision when the game got tight.

Kawhi going 3/4 from the line when he was a 75% FT shooter or Manu splitting FT when he has been doing it ALL SEASON LONG is not what one would call choking, that would be Nick Anderson going to the line & missing 4 straight FTs in the '95 Finals & never wanting to get fouled thereafter.

[TD 21]

Nobody is claiming that a player choked b/c they missed shot, that's basically the Kawhi haters narrative.:lol

When players are ALL OF A SUDDEN passing up shots, committing turnover or taking rushed shots during pressure situations then they are playing tight. If they make a habit of it then they are chokers. Basically, you have to earn the label over a large sample size & Karl Malone is the perfect example.



Choking & random plays are TWO different things. The Spurs not grabbing the defensive rebound is a random play while OKC/Clippers turning the ball over on seemingly every possession in pressure situations is choking not b/c they were SCARED but b/c they all of a sudden started making DUMB decisions after dumb decision when the game got tight.

Kawhi going 3/4 from the line when he was a 75% FT shooter or Manu splitting FT when he has been doing it ALL SEASON LONG is not what one would call choking, that would be Nick Anderson going to the line & missing 4 straight FTs in the '95 Finals & never wanting to get fouled thereafter.

Fair enough, but I still say, in general, the word choking is flippantly thrown around far too often.

Specifically regarding Aldridge, he's really only been on two runs (and I use that term loosely, considering game 5 and 6 of the WCSF is as far as they went) and three total playoffs, in his prime. In '14, he dominated in the WCQF, then lost to the greatest playoff team of all time, with probably the best suited to defend him player in the league defending him. In '15, he played injured. In '16, his playoff metrics were strong.

It's one thing to say underwhelming, but there's not nearly enough evidence to brand him a choker.

The reality is, you're more than likely not winning a championship if he's basically your co go-to player, but you can say that about all but a handful of players in the league at a given time.

[Kawhitstorm]

In '14, he dominated in the WCQF, then lost to the greatest playoff team of all time, with probably the best suited to defend him player in the league defending him. This year, his playoff metrics were strong.

He had two monster games against the Rockets while being guarded by Terrance Freakin' Jones.:lol They put Asik on him for the rest of the series & Asik was a slow footed center who isn't used to playing on the perimeter. He proceeded to shoot **drum rolls** 39% for the final 4 games (same as the final 4 games against OKC).:lol

He also killed the Spurs during the regular season & was a shell of himself in the postseason when they game planned for him.


It's one thing to say underwhelming, but there's not nearly enough evidence to brand him a choker.

He was horrific against the Grizz last season, he had a thumb injury but he was playing fine through the injury during the regular season. He was being guarded by Zach Freakin' Randolph which makes it even more laughable.:lol


The reality is, you're more than likely not winning a championship if he's basically your co go-to player, but you can say that about all but a handful of players in the league at a given time.

Basically, his game is feast or famine in the postseason which make him more suited to be the 3rd option ala Love.

[TD 21]

He had two monster games against the Rockets while being guarded by Terrance Freakin' Jones.:lol They put Asik on him for the rest of the series & Asik was a slow footed center who isn't used to playing on the perimeter. He proceeded to shoot **drum rolls** 39% for the final 4 games (same as the final 4 games against OKC).:lol

He also killed the Spurs during the regular season & was a shell of himself in the postseason when they game planned for him.



He was horrific against the Grizz last season, he had a thumb injury but he was playing fine through the injury during the regular season. He was being guarded by Zach Freakin' Randolph which makes it even more laughable.:lol



Basically, his game is feast or famine in the postseason which make him more suited to be the 3rd option ala Love.

I know. Again though, law of averages. Aldridge mostly shoots mid-rangers (even his post ups often end in turnarounds from mid range). Inevitably, when he has a scorching hot stretch, it's going to be followed by a cold stretch. But when those stretches occur in the playoffs, then it's supposedly choking.

He was so terrible in '15, that it's difficult to imagine his thumb didn't play a factor. Whether it got worse from the regular season to playoffs, I don't know. But people of and above his caliber almost never play that poorly without a mitigating factor(s).

He's definitely more suited to being a 3rd option on a contender, but that's a luxury the Spurs don't have and aren't likely to anytime soon.

[Kawhitstorm]

I know. Again though, law of averages. Aldridge mostly shoots mid-rangers (even his post ups often end in turnarounds from mid range). Inevitably, when he has a scorching hot stretch, it's going to be followed by a cold stretch. But when those stretches occur in the playoffs, then it's supposedly choking.

I don't think it was just him going cold more so than teams getting physical with him & changing the defensive assignments. Once he gets rolling then it doesn't matter who you put on him b/c nobody can block his shot but when teams make it a point to get physical w/ him from the start then he struggles. All Z-Bo really did was really get physical w/ him on BOTH ends & did stop even when Softridge was holding his own defensively which isn't a great accomplishment in 2015 considering how Harrison Barnes fared in the 2nd rd against Z-Bo.:lol

Even in the 2014 series, he had his way against Diaw but couldn't do much of anything against Splitter. If Diaw was guarding for the duration of the series then he would have lit him up like Terrance Jones. The fact he killed Ibaka shouldn't a surprise considering Ibaka is a mediocre post defender.:lol

[AFMadison]

LaMarcus "I only show up in the first 2 games of a series" Softrigde did the same thing in 2014. Sorry, EVERYONE has seen that horror movie before & it ended w/ Softridge getting owned by Tiago Splitter after getting bailed out by Lillard. The Blazers dumped Softridge, replaced him w/ none other than Mo Harkless & one-upped him.:lmao

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:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
You know you have been defeated when you resort to fake quotes and Skip Bayless tweets :lmao
I love destroying fools when it comes to basketball talk. I do it on a daily basis. You're just another victim on the hit list. Trolling the trolls. < :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

You know you have been defeated when you resort to fake quotes and Skip Bayless tweets :lmao
I love destroying fools when it comes to basketball talk. I do it on a daily basis. You're just another victim on the hit list. Trolling the trolls. < :lol

Keep you day job.:sleep

[AFMadison]

Keep you day job.:sleep
Learn how to spell and maybe you'll get one. Study your stats before you present them next time. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Learn how to spell and maybe you'll get one. Study your stats before you present them next time. :lmao


Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide.

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Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02


:sleep

[AFMadison]

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Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02


:sleep
Reposting stats I've already destroyed you on, if you missed it go back and read the entire convo again. :lmao

0.43 > 0.39
Elementary math.
:wow

[Kawhitstorm]

Reposting stats I've already destroyed you on, if you missed it go back and read the entire convo again. :lmao

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0.43 > 0.39
Elementary math.
:wow

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Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02


:sleep

[tholdren]

FIFY
That's fine. But no one cares about ppg if they aren't scored WHEN NEEDED.

LMA showed he could CARRY SA to a win. KL showed he could score, just not when needed. Again, YOU want a scoring champ - I want a ring.

[Kawhitstorm]

That's fine. But no one cares about ppg if they aren't scored WHEN NEEDED.

LMA showed he could CARRY SA to a win. KL showed he could score, just not when needed. Again, YOU want a scoring champ - I want a ring.

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[AFMadison]

Reposting stats I've already destroyed you on, if you missed it go back and read the entire convo again. :lmao

0.43 > 0.39
Elementary math.
:wow


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Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02


:sleep

0.43 > 0.39
You have nothing left to say :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

0.43 > 0.39
You have nothing left to say :lol

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Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02


:sleep

[tholdren]

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Yep - he crapped the bed there. You're not typing anything I don't know. Both of these guys are not CONSISTENT players that can CARRY a team to a tough series win. LMA showed he could for one game. KL HAS NEVER LED SA TO A SERIES WIN. Neither of these two can be good enough, the way they play, to take over a series.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yep - he crapped the bed there. You're not typing anything I don't know. Both of these guys are not CONSISTENT players that can CARRY a team to a tough series win. LMA showed he could for one game. KL HAS NEVER LED SA TO A SERIES WIN. Neither of these two can be good enough, the way they play, to take over a series.

:cryWhy didn't Kawhi lead the team to victory against the same team that had the 73 win defending champs down 3-1 when his point guard/center are washed up, the bench is getting destroyed, his sidekick goes MIA after Gm 2 & his coach is getting out-coached?:cry

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[tholdren]

:cryWhy didn't Kawhi lead the team to victory against the same team that had the 73 win defending champs down 3-1 when his point guard/center are washed up, the bench is getting destroyed, his sidekick goes MIA after Gm 2 & his coach is getting out-coached?:cry

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Same reason spurs lost game 6 - KL Ft's

[AFMadison]

Gm 1:
-LMA: 0.09 (Net: 0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.10 **Best in the Game** (Net: 0.18)
-WestBrick: -0.08**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.0

Gm 2:
-LMA: 0.55**Best in the postseason** (Net: 0.46)
-Kawhi: -0.2 (Net: -0.25)
-WestBrick: 0.05
-ChewBaka: 0.9

Gm 3:
-LMA: 0.03 (Net: -0.19)
-Kawhi: 0.33 (Net: 0.50)
-WestBrick: -0.17**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.22 **Best on the team**

Gm 4:
-LMA: -0.08 **Worst on the team** (Net: -0.13)
-Kawhi: 0.00 (Net: 0.22)
-WestBrick: -0.22**Worst in the game**
-ChewBaka: 0.05

Gm 5:
-LMA: -0.14 (Net: -0.09)
-Kawhi: 0.18 (Net: 0.38)
-WestBrick: -0.20**Worst on the team**
-ChewBaka: -0.05

Gm 6: :lolNegative mainia:lol
-LMA: -0.02 (Net: -0.01)
-Kawhi: -0.02 (Net: 0.0)
-WestBrick: -0.01
-ChewBaka: -0.02


:sleep

0.43 > 0.39
You have nothing left to say :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Aldridge is what he is, we just have to live with it, unfortunately..he's a soft volume scorer that doesn't do anything else at a decent level..he'll give the Spurs the occasional hot shooting stretch, but his style of play does not translate to playoff success vs. high level opponents..

He's the big man Carmelo..he's the "new toy" for Spurs fans, though, so they will give him a pass for a year or 2..

[Kawhitstorm]

Same reason spurs lost game 6 - KL Ft's

You mean a 75% shooter going 3/4 at the line.:lmao

[T Park]

Of course you would have said that.



They had money left over after signing him? News to me.

[TheGreatYacht]

Aldridge is what he is, we just have to live with it, unfortunately..he's a soft volume scorer that doesn't do anything else at a decent level..he'll give the Spurs the occasional hot shooting stretch, but his style of play does not translate to playoff success vs. high level opponents..

He's the big man Carmelo..he's the "new toy" for Spurs fans, though, so they will give him a pass for a year or 2..
You can't keep being on both sides to save face.. :lol

You'll cover every possible outcome and then come back with the "I told you so". Aldridge had you sipping the Kool-aid and there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't try to shit on Spurs fans who still believe in him tbh..


I've never been a fan of his, but I was 100% in favor of signing him, including over Marc

He's been great, tbh, 2nd best big in the playoffs behind Draymond..

I don't really care about his post game, tbh..he should stay where he's comfortable and continue dominating with the jump shot, it's his bread and butter..

[HarlemHeat37]

You can't keep being on both sides to save face.. :lol

You'll cover every possible outcome and then come back with the "I told you so". Aldridge had you sipping the Kool-aid and there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't try to shit on Spurs fans who still believe in him tbh..

He was great through the first 2 games of the Thunder series, then had had his usual playoff collapse, including one of the worst games I've ever seen from a "star" player(game 5)..I give credit when a player deserves it..

And yes, I was in favor of signing him as a piece, not as a top 2 option, as I repeated all year..you can't run a successful offense through him, he doesn't do anything at a high level outside of volume scoring..

[TheGreatYacht]

He was great through the first 2 games of the Thunder series, then had had his usual playoff collapse, including one of the worst games I've ever seen from a "star" player(game 5)..I give credit when a player deserves it..

And yes, I was in favor of signing him as a piece, not as a top 2 option, as I repeated all year..you can't run a successful offense through him, he doesn't do anything at a high level outside of volume scoring..
You can't shit on LMA for that terrible Game 5, and then turn around and <3 Russ for being inneffiecent for a whole series. Every player has that terrible game unless they're Jordan or post-2011 Lebron. I think some are underselling his performance for the series and acting like he blew his load in 2 games, he wasn't that bad for it being his first year here..

Games 1-2, averaged 39.5ppg while shooting 75%
Game 3, 24 points and 8 rebounds & shot 8-21
Game 4, 20 points and 6 rebounds & shot 8-18
Game 5, terrible
Game 6, 18 points and 14 rebounds & shot 9-18

The way you feel about him not being good enough to be a Top 2 option, I feel about some suggesting Kawhi will ever lead a team to a title as the main guy. Spurs need Durant bad.

[Kawhitstorm]

I think some are underselling his performance for the series and acting like he blew his load in 2 games, he wasn't that bad for it being his first year.

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[TheGreatYacht]

730255150313414660
Everyone knows he was trash Game 5 :lol

In games 1 and 2 he averaged 39.5ppg on 75%
In games 3,4, & 6 he averaged 20.6ppg on 25-57 (43.8%)


737705462951346177
Irrelevant. He shot 50% with the Spurs Game 6.

Conclusion: He outplayed Kiwi and you can't :downspin: it

[Kawhitstorm]

Conclusion: He outplayed Kiwi and you can't :downspin: it

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[TheGreatYacht]

730233596359938048

:sleep
You wanna talk about one game? Let's talk about one quarter, the 4th quarter...


In the 4 losses Spurs had to OKC, Kawhi averaged 3.25 points in the 4th quarter (6 of the 13 points came in Game 6 garbage time)

For the WHOLE series, Kawhi shot 8-22 (36.4%) in the 4th quarter
:downspin: That tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

You wanna talk about one game? Let's talk about one quarter, the 4th quarter...

You mean the game they had no chance of winning b/c Dominos was going nuclear (outscored the ENTIRE Spurs team by himself) on his home floor?:lol

Gm 5 was in their hands & their for the taking (OKC was held to 21 points sans the bogus final 5 points of the game) but Softridge/Porker wet the bed, they were miserable at shot making. Softridge also got "solved" after Gm 2 when Donovan put Adams on him full-time ala McHale putting Asik on him after he feasted on Terrance Jones in the first two game of the 2014 postseason.

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The main culprits:

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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft


1:08.0
Defensive rebound by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)


90-90




0:55.0
Shooting foul by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))

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0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2
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0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2
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92-90




0:43.0
Personal foul by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)

92-90




0:43.0


92-91
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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


0:43.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses free throw 2 of 2


0:42.0
Defensive rebound by R. Westbrook (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html)

92-91




0:42.0
Oklahoma City full timeout

92-91




0:30.0
Turnover by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html))

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0:11.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft

[TheGreatYacht]

Don't be a faggot :lol after AFMadison (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49766) owned you, you resorted to posting the same crappy tweets by shitty writers... Now you're doing it again?

I provided numbers for you. He outplayed Kiwi. Plain and simple. You can't spin it

In the 4 losses Spurs had to OKC, Kawhi averaged 3.25 points in the 4th quarter (6 of the 13 points came in Game 6 garbage time)

For the WHOLE series, Kawhi shot 8-22 (36.4%) in the 4th quarter

[Kawhitstorm]

For the WHOLE series, Kawhi shot 8-22 (36.4%) in the 4th quarter


Softridge: 39.7 percent for ENTIRE final FOUR games of the series.

:sleep

[tholdren]

:sleep
so you admit that kl shrinks in the 4th. great, moving on

[Kawhitstorm]

so you admit that kl shrinks in the 4th. great, moving on

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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft


1:08.0
Defensive rebound by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)

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0:55.0
Shooting foul by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))

90-90




0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2
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91-90




0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2
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0:43.0
Personal foul by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)

92-90




0:43.0


92-91
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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


0:43.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses free throw 2 of 2


0:42.0
Defensive rebound by R. Westbrook (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html)

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0:42.0
Oklahoma City full timeout

92-91




0:30.0
Turnover by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html))

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0:11.0


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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft



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[Hoops Czar]

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90-90

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft


1:08.0
Defensive rebound by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)

90-90




0:55.0
Shooting foul by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))

90-90




0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2
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0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2
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0:43.0
Personal foul by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)

92-90




0:43.0


92-91
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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


0:43.0


92-91

T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses free throw 2 of 2


0:42.0
Defensive rebound by R. Westbrook (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html)

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0:42.0
Oklahoma City full timeout

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0:30.0
Turnover by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html))

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0:11.0


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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft



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:sleep

Why are you deflecting on Kawhi's crappy 4th quarter performance by showing eveybody else's performances? Surely you jest showing Tony Parker's numbers. :lol Why don't you just already blame Roberson for OKC's epic collapse against GS.

[daslicer]

Why are you deflecting on Kawhi's crappy 4th quarter performance by showing eveybody else's performances? Surely you jest showing Tony Parker's numbers. :lol Why don't you just already blame Roberson for OKC's epic collapse against GS.

This thread is mainly a deflection thread by the OP to cover up Kawhi's bad performances in the OKC series. There is no doubt Lamarcus was bad in some of these games but so was Kawhi. They were both equally inconsistent. Honestly I don't think one is better than the other. They are both all-star caliber players but neither of them is a true superstar.

[Kawhitstorm]

Why are you deflecting on Kawhi's crappy 4th quarter performance by showing eveybody else's performances? Surely you jest showing Tony Parker's numbers. :lol Why don't you just already blame Roberson for OKC's epic collapse against GS.

Talk about comparing apples to oranges, I didn't know Roberson was the one hogging the ball & had to be screamed at by Donovan to pass the ball to Dominos/WestBrick:

http://i.imgbox.com/hHooCE9u.gif

[Kawhitstorm]

This thread is mainly a deflection thread by the OP to cover up Kawhi's bad performances in the OKC series. There is no doubt Lamarcus was bad in some of these games but so was Kawhi. They were both equally inconsistent. Honestly I don't think one is better than the other. They are both all-star caliber players but neither of them is a true superstar.

:lmao

I just stated the FACTS & the Kawhi haters turned it into a deflection thread. They COULDN'T handle the truth.:cry

[daslicer]

:lmao

I just stated the FACTS & the Kawhi haters turned it into a deflection thread. They COULDN'T handle the truth.:cry

TBH it is a deflection thread and you know it. Kawhi got slammed here for a few weeks for his shitty performance hence all these threads by you slamming LMA. If you read my post I said both of them were inconsistent in the playoffs and neither are legit superstars. By your logic I guess I'm a hater of both. If this thread was created by any other spur fan I could look at it with objectivity but in your case it's very obvious you are a hardcore Kawhi fan boy. Everything you post has to be taken with a grain of salt since you have obvious biases just like Fox News.

[Hoops Czar]

Talk about comparing apples to oranges, I didn't know Roberson was the one hogging the ball & had to be screamed at by Donovan to pass the ball to Dominos/WestBrick:

http://i.imgbox.com/hHooCE9u.gif

Yeah, well maybe if Kawhi didn't spend 85% of his time cowering in the corners and actually showed an ounce of leadership as the supposed go-to guy by demanding the ball, Parker would have somebody to pass to. Pop shouldn't have to be Leonard's mouth piece.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, well maybe if Kawhi didn't spend 85% of his time cowering in the corners and actually showed an ounce of leadership as the supposed go-to guy by demanding the ball, Parker would have somebody to pass to. Pop shouldn't have to be Leonard's mouth piece.

"Kawhi needs to get over himself":pop:"Tony is the head of the snake"

[Kawhitstorm]

TBH it is a deflection thread and you know it. Kawhi got slammed here for a few weeks for his shitty performance hence all these threads by you slamming LMA. If you read my post I said both of them were inconsistent in the playoffs and neither are legit superstars. By your logic I guess I'm a hater of both. If this thread was created by any other spur fan I could look at it with objectivity but in your case it's very obvious you are a hardcore Kawhi fan boy. Everything you post has to be taken with a grain of salt since you have obvious biases just like Fox News.

Bruh, I don't MANUFACTURE stories like Fox News. I just spit FACTS & let folks marinate it them, I NEVER said Kawhi dominated in the 4th quarter like Kobestans.:lol

[GSH]

I think it's pretty funny that people are mad at LMA for not being a grinding, low-post, Center. That's not what he is. You might as well get mad at him for not being a PG. The Spurs need a grinding, low-post, Center. That's not LMA's job. He was a BMF at the things he was supposed to be doing. (For those not alive in the 70's, that's roughly the same as LDN.) Too many people want guys to be X-Men and obliterate the competition so they can crow about how "their" team won another Championship.

You actually quoted a DraftExpress article that said LMA's best case development was to be another Jermaine O'Neal? That wasn't a red flag to you?

[Clipper Nation]

TheGreatFaggot and HoopsFaggot getting worked like LaMarsha in the paint ITT :lol

[DPG21920]

It's so funny seeing that Hardwood tweet. OKC was not solvable but SA was? He said it was just game 5 where SA missed shots, but he didn't want to go the full "not give credit" route and just say in the series SA missed good looks when the stats show it.

So, SA was solvable and OKC was not when SA held the 2nd best offense in the league to under 100 in 4 out of 6? OKC looked solvable in GM1. I guess that 1 point difference in GM2, that win by SA in GM3 & that 4 point difference in GM5 (even GM4 was close for most of the game) really shows that huge glaring difference and OKC solving SA!

[GSH]

It's so funny seeing that Hardwood tweet. OKC was not solvable but SA was? He said it was just game 5 where SA missed shots, but he didn't want to go the full "not give credit" route and just say in the series SA missed good looks when the stats show it.

So, SA was solvable and OKC was not when SA held the 2nd best offense in the league to under 100 in 4 out of 6? OKC looked solvable in GM1. I guess that 1 point difference in GM2, that win by SA in GM3 & that 4 point difference in GM5 (even GM4 was close for most of the game) really shows that huge glaring difference and OKC solving SA!


Logic and facts? No place for them in this discussion. Just call him "faggot" and throw in some emojis. Get with the program.

[TheGreatYacht]

TheGreatFaggot and HoopsFaggot getting worked like LaMarsha in the paint ITT :lol
Faggot Nation stroking as usual, just like Kahwi strokes bricks against Roberson

Who let you out the sweatshop? :lol

[Hoops Czar]

TheGreatFaggot and HoopsFaggot getting worked like LaMarsha in the paint ITT :lol

You should have said like "DeAndre at the free throw line", or "CP3 winning a conference semis" or "Doc passing a competency test".

[TheGreatYacht]

You should have said like "DeAndre at the free throw line", or "CP3 winning a conference semis" or "Doc passing a competency test".
That would mean he's actually a Clippers fan, and not Harlem's alt :lol

I quote Harlem and all of a sudden this faggot gets a 10min break from the sweatshop to log on ST lmao

[Hoops Czar]

That would mean he's actually a Clippers fan, and not Harlem's alt :lol

I quote Harlem and all of a sudden this faggot gets a 10min break from the sweatshop to log on ST lmao

Actually, it's RD2191's account when he's trying to act sophisticated. A poster like this usually latches on to a host like Harlem in hopes that posters will like them (ie. dabom) and they won't come off looking like the inane, simpleminded, degenerate fool that they are in real life. This clown couldn't even breathe in Harlem's airspace let alone read and post on a conversation that was above a second grade reading level.

[TheGreatYacht]

Actually, it's RD2191's account when he's trying to act sophisticated. A poster like this usually latches on to a host like Harlem in hopes that posters will like them (ie. dabom) and they won't come off looking like the inane, simpleminded, degenerate fool that they are in real life. This clown couldn't even breathe in Harlem's airspace let alone read and post on a conversation that was above a second grade reading level.
:lol tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

You actually quoted a DraftExpress article that said LMA's best case development was to be another Jermaine O'Neal? That wasn't a red flag to you?

I'm not sure what your issue is w/ the Jermaine O'Neal comparison.:lol They are both slightly built lanky 6'11" black-holes who shoot jumpers & fadeaways. O'Neal was a MUCH better defensive player & didn't mind banging in the paint thus they were basically claiming if LMA ever grew a pair he would be a Jermaine O'Neal type player. (FYI: Softridge got drafted in 2006 when JO was STILL relevant & an All-Star player which is why he was the go-to comp player)

BEFORE he got injured, O'Neal was a MONSTER. It's too bad he got injured early in his prime like McDyess & was a shell of himself. In 2003-04, he was the best player on a team that won 61 games & he finished 3rd in MVP voting. He also made the All-NBA team three times in an era where you had PRIME KG/Tim/C-Webb/Dirk/Sheed.:rolleyes (Bosh for example has only made the All-NBA team ONCE in a less competitive era for forwards)

I also remember that PATFO wanted to sign JO in the summer of 2003 to replace Admiral:


“I think the Spurs are actually in better position right now going into an offseason than they’ve been in any offseason since 2003, when they had just won a title,” Spurs reporter Hector Ledesma said on CBS Sports Radio’s The DA Show. “They were coming off Tim and Manu and Tony Parkers’s first year together and they were going to go chase Jason Kidd or Jermaine O’Neal in free agency

uFrV-X_0OPM

[tholdren]

:sleep
Leonard crapped the bed in game 2 in the 4th
Leonard crapped the bed in game 4 in the 4th
Leonard and Aldridge crapped the bed in game 5 in the 4th.
Leonard and LMA came scared and crapped the bed the whole game 6.

cowards. both of them, but more so KL

[Kawhitstorm]

Leonard crapped the bed in game 2 in the 4th

He had a bad shooting game (not 4 straight games but a GAME) but WestBrick didn't score a SINGLE basket against him. If Fatty Mills didn't air ball a WIDE OPEN 3, the Spurs would have won the game.

LVP: Patty Mills (SAS): -28.8%


Leonard crapped the bed in game 4 in the 4th

Spurs had no chance of winning that game considering that Durant went nuclear & outscored the ENTIRE Spurs team by himself. Kawhi could have gone 5-5 & it wouldn't have mattered.


Leonard and Aldridge crapped the bed in game 5 in the 4th.

Kawhi was 2/3 but he crapped the bed b/c OKC wouldn't even let him catch the ball.

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Porker: 1-5 including 1-2 from the FT line (LVP: Tony Parker (SAS): -26.0%)'



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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 19 ft


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Defensive rebound by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)

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0:55.0
Shooting foul by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))

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0:55.0
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2
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K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2
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Personal foul by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)

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T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses free throw 2 of 2


0:42.0
Defensive rebound by R. Westbrook (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html)

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0:42.0
Oklahoma City full timeout

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0:30.0
Turnover by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html))

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Softridge: 1-4 including giving up a critical offensive rebound to Kanter.



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K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 16 ft

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1:45.0
Offensive rebound by E. Kanter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01.html)

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1:45.0
E. Kanter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 1 ft
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Leonard and LMA came scared and crapped the bed the whole game 6.

Gm 6 was on Pop & his idiotic rotation:

The Spurs were up 19-17 then Kyle checked in for Kawhi & OKC went on a 10-0 run from which the Spurs NEVER recovered. Kawhi started jacking up shots trying to shoot them back into the game b/c nobody else could make a shot. He tried to lead a charge in the 3rd quarter but the Spurs couldn't stop OKC b/c even Roberson was knocking down 3s.:lol



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2:37.0
Turnover by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) (lost ball; steal by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html))

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K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 11 ft (assist by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))


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Turnover by P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html) (step out of bounds)

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19-19

Shooting foul by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) (drawn by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html))


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19-20
+1
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


1:51.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) enters the game for P. Mills (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)

19-20




1:51.0


19-21
+1
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2


1:41.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) misses 2-pt shot from 2 ft (block by R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html))

19-21




1:40.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html)


1:31.0


19-21

K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 10 ft


1:30.0
Defensive rebound by K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html)

19-21




1:12.0
K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 20 ft

19-21




1:12.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by Team


0:49.0


19-21

R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 25 ft


0:48.0
Defensive rebound by K. Anderson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html)

19-21




0:41.0
K. Martin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/martike02.html) misses 3-pt shot from 24 ft

19-21




0:40.0


19-21

Defensive rebound by S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html)


0:26.0


19-23
+2
S. Adams (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by R. Foye (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/foyera01.html))


0:06.0
Turnover by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) (lost ball; steal by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))

19-23




0:02.0


19-25
+2
K. Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html) makes 2-pt shot at rim (assist by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html))


0:01.0


19-25

Personal foul by D. Waiters (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/waitedi01.html)


0:00.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 44 ft

19-25




0:00.0
Offensive rebound by Team

19-25




0:00.0
End of 1st quarter


Who's to blame?:

zmZzRle_wMo


cowards. both of them, but more so KL

Instead of making blanket statements, I need you to break it down for me play-by-play.

[Slippy]

TBH it is a deflection thread and you know it. Kawhi got slammed here for a few weeks for his shitty performance hence all these threads by you slamming LMA. If you read my post I said both of them were inconsistent in the playoffs and neither are legit superstars. By your logic I guess I'm a hater of both. If this thread was created by any other spur fan I could look at it with objectivity but in your case it's very obvious you are a hardcore Kawhi fan boy. Everything you post has to be taken with a grain of salt since you have obvious biases just like Fox News.

Kstorm a fan boy & fox news is being kind. I'd say he reaching groupy status & reporting like the Iraqi information minister. Lol

[Clipper Nation]

You should have said like "DeAndre at the free throw line", or "CP3 winning a conference semis" or "Doc passing a competency test".

Or "Hoops Faggot trying to come up with basketball takes."

[Kawhitstorm]

Kstorm a fan boy & fox news is being kind. I'd say he reaching groupy status & reporting like the Iraqi information minister. Lol

I've never read their reports but I'm going to assume that the Iraqi information minister publishes fact checked press releases.:toast

[AFMadison]

You are legit posting the same irrelevant posts over and over again. You've literally resorted to tweets, and blaming Kyle Anderson. Let me get back to the statistics and points of conversation.

So, we were arguing who the MVP for the Spurs was between LMA and Kawhi against OKC for the entire series. You deflected, and started breaking down game by game. I agreed and I saw LMA as the MVP over Kawhi 4-2. You saw it as I believe Kawhi 3-2 over LMA and didn't include a 6th game. Then we argued MVP for game 2. You decided to dive into analytics and chose WPA to choose your MVP for game 2, so I agreed with you and said, ok.... I'll give you game 2 since WPA is accurate in predicting MVP's and LVP's per game/series. After I showed you that LMA's overall WPA for the OKC series was 0.43, declaring him the MVP, over Kawhis 0.39 you deflected again. You then posted some Pop YouTube video and some more emojis. You mentioned The LVP in Westbrook, but failed to mention Durant as the MVP when Kawhi was burned by Durant in that 4th Quarter game 4. Then you deflected again, telling me that WPA doesn't factor in defense. So I researched WPA defensive statistics, finding LMA as the leader in blocks, Kawhi as the leader in steals. You deflected again. I then mentioned to you that Kawhi and Tony tied for dead last in TO WPA. (That's a bad thing). You deflected again. Statistically speaking, you're done.

I won't even start on CrippleNation, only posts here as a social hobby to fit in with groups. Has no bball IQ and thinks he can deflect basketball knowledge by calling people faggots.

[daslicer]

Kstorm a fan boy & fox news is being kind. I'd say he reaching groupy status & reporting like the Iraqi information minister. Lol

:lol I remember Bagdad Bob that guy was comedy. I have to say that is a great comparison.

yfAeMtcURg0

[RD2191]

Actually, it's RD2191's account when he's trying to act sophisticated. A poster like this usually latches on to a host like Harlem in hopes that posters will like them (ie. dabom) and they won't come off looking like the inane, simpleminded, degenerate fool that they are in real life. This clown couldn't even breathe in Harlem's airspace let alone read and post on a conversation that was above a second grade reading level.

:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

So, we were arguing who the MVP for the Spurs was between LMA and Kawhi against OKC for the entire series. You deflected, and started breaking down game by game.

IDIOT, what is not to understand that performance in a playoff series is judge on game-by-game basis while factoring in consistency b/c of the small sample size?

According to your logic, if a player scored 50 point in one game then scored 10 in the next game then they had a better two game stretch than a player that scored 25 in each game b/c 60>50. EVER FUCKIN' heard of CONSISTENCY?


I agreed and I saw LMA as the MVP over Kawhi 4-2. You saw it as I believe Kawhi 3-2 over LMA and didn't include a 6th game.

Are you seriously going to claim LMA outplayed Kawhi in GM 6 by any significant margin? :lmao


Then we argued MVP for game 2. You decided to dive into analytics and chose WPA to choose your MVP for game 2, so I agreed with you and said, ok.... I'll give you game 2 since WPA is accurate in predicting MVP's and LVP's per game/series. After I showed you that LMA's overall WPA for the OKC series was 0.43, declaring him the MVP, over Kawhis 0.39 you deflected again.

Dumbass, the WPA was broken down on GAME-BY-GAME basis as the sample size is TOO SMALL to do a cumulative analysis b/c of this things called *outliers* which are EXCLUDED from any large sample size to be STATISTICALLY VALID (I suggest that you google it but you are CLEARLY oblivious)



You then posted some Pop YouTube video and some more emojis. You mentioned The LVP in Westbrook, but failed to mention Durant as the MVP when Kawhi was burned by Durant in that 4th Quarter game 4. Then you deflected again, telling me that WPA doesn't factor in defense. So I researched WPA defensive statistics, finding LMA as the leader in blocks, Kawhi as the leader in steals.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Can you EXPLAIN to me why Curry/Whiteside didn't win DPOY nor made the All-NBA Defense 1st team despite leading the league in steals/blocks respectively?


You deflected again. I then mentioned to you that Kawhi and Tony tied for dead last in TO WPA. (That's a bad thing). You deflected again. Statistically speaking, you're done.

Dumbass, Tony had a very LOW turnover rate thus Kawhi having the same turnover WPA ISN'T such a bad thing.:lol


Has no bball IQ

Meanwhile, you're the genius that uses blocks/steals as defensive metric. James FUCKIN' Harden was 4th in steals per game this postseason.:lmao

Bottom line:
Gm 1: 10-10
Gm 2: 10-7 LMA
Gm 3: 10-8 Kawhi
Gm 4: 10-10
Gm 5: 10-8 Kawhi
Gm 6: 10-10

Decision: 57-56 Kawhi

After Gm 2, the series might as well have been 0-0 & a best of 5 w/ OKC having HCA. Kawhi stole back HCA in Gm 3 & was the only one that showed up in Gm 5, meanwhile Softrdige was MIA for the ENTIRE "best of 5" mini-series.

[GSH]

I'm not sure what your issue is w/ the Jermaine O'Neal comparison.:lol

I don't know... maybe because they're two different types of players? Aldridge is in the Top 10 for 2P FGM nearly every year, and O'Neal probably never was (maybe once). O'Neal was in the Top 10 for personal fouls committed most years, and Aldridge never is. O'Neal shot over half of his shots from mid-range and shot about .390, while Aldridge shoots about 40% of his shots from midrange, and shoots about .440 on them. Bottom line, O'Neal was a fucking headcase, bull-in-a-China shop. (For his career, he averaged almost 6 fouls per 100 possessions. Aldridge commits about 4, and that is skewed by his first two seasons.)

But, hey, if you throw all that out, they're practically identical. That DraftExpress article is amazing.


They are both slightly built lanky 6'11"... they were basically claiming if LMA ever grew a pair he would be a Jermaine O'Neal type player.

I guess if he grew a beard, he'd be a James Harden type player. :rolleyes

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't know... maybe because they're two different types of players?

You mean LMA career DIVERGED towards being a rich man's Channing Frye instead of following JO's trajectory when he could have gone either way.:lol No different than James Harden being projected to be a Brandon Roy type player but turning into a no-defense-playing-foul-baitin'-ball-hog-gunner like Gilbert Arenas.:rolleyes


Aldridge is in the Top 10 for 2P FGM nearly every year, and O'Neal probably never was (maybe once). O'Neal was in the Top 10 for personal fouls committed most years, and Aldridge never is. O'Neal shot over half of his shots from mid-range and shot about .390, while Aldridge shoots about 40% of his shots from midrange, and shoots about .440 on them.

Who the hell said LMA in his prime would be EXACTLY like JO?:lol LMA chose the rich man's Channing Frye path so he's OBVIOUSLY hasn't had a career similar to JO.


Bottom line, O'Neal was a fucking headcase, bull-in-a-China shop. (For his career, he averaged almost 6 fouls per 100 possessions. Aldridge commits about 4, and that is skewed by his first two seasons.)

Again, LMA NEVER grew a pair. JO finished 3rd in MVP voting which LMA will NEVER sniff despite having the PHYSICAL ability to be a dominant two-way player unlike Kevin Love.


I guess if he grew a beard, he'd be a James Harden type player. :rolleyes

I thought that was Jonathon Simmons?:lol

[YGWHI]

Leonard crapped the bed in game 2 in the 4th
Leonard crapped the bed in game 4 in the 4th
Leonard and Aldridge crapped the bed in game 5 in the 4th.
Leonard and LMA came scared and crapped the bed the whole game 6.

cowards. both of them, but more so KL

Wait, he doesn't include LMA in game 4?

When a troll suggests that LMA had a solid game 4...

:lmao :lmao:lmao

[spursistan]

It's so funny seeing that Hardwood tweet. OKC was not solvable but SA was? He said it was just game 5 where SA missed shots, but he didn't want to go the full "not give credit" route and just say in the series SA missed good looks when the stats show it.

So, SA was solvable and OKC was not when SA held the 2nd best offense in the league to under 100 in 4 out of 6? OKC looked solvable in GM1. I guess that 1 point difference in GM2, that win by SA in GM3 & that 4 point difference in GM5 (even GM4 was close for most of the game) really shows that huge glaring difference and OKC solving SA!

that dude (HP basketball) is too prone to hyperbolic, emotionally charged takes on twitter..it just like he gets kicks out of teasing fanbases with either constant whiny or point-blank statements.

[DPG21920]

Ya - he's really weird. He trolls on Twitter and then writes decent articles.

[GSH]

Who the hell said LMA in his prime would be EXACTLY like JO?:lol

Your stupid-ass article said that LMA's "ceiling" would be Jermaine O'Neal. That's like saying Steven Adams' ceiling is Dirk Nowitzki. Two totally different TYPE of players, who do different things on the floor. But, hey, they're both really tall white guys. You chose a stupid fucking DraftExpress article to start this stupid fucking thread. Now you have to keep trying to wiggle out of it with make-believe technicalities.

NO, the old DraftExpress article was not "spot-on". You're mad because "your team" lost in the playoffs, so now you're throwing a schoolgirl fit, and calling guys "soft" who would stomp a mud-hole in your candy ass. Go get yourself some Vagisil, so you're not scratching things this whole off season.



Edit: Make sure your response is in all caps, like the one above. That always strengthens a shit argument, and makes you look tougher.

[AFMadison]

IDIOT, what is not to understand that performance in a playoff series is judge on game-by-game basis while factoring in consistency b/c of the small sample size?

According to your logic, if a player scored 50 point in one game then scored 10 in the next game then they had a better two game stretch than a player that scored 25 in each game b/c 60>50. EVER FUCKIN' heard of CONSISTENCY?



Are you seriously going to claim LMA outplayed Kawhi in GM 6 by any significant margin? :lmao



Dumbass, the WPA was broken down on GAME-BY-GAME basis as the sample size is TOO SMALL to do a cumulative analysis b/c of this things called *outliers* which are EXCLUDED from any large sample size to be STATISTICALLY VALID (I suggest that you google it but you are CLEARLY oblivious)




:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Can you EXPLAIN to me why Curry/Whiteside didn't win DPOY nor made the All-NBA Defense 1st team despite leading the league in steals/blocks respectively?



Dumbass, Tony had a very LOW turnover rate thus Kawhi having the same turnover WPA ISN'T such a bad thing.:lol



Meanwhile, you're the genius that uses blocks/steals as defensive metric. James FUCKIN' Harden was 4th in steals per game this postseason.:lmao

Bottom line:
Gm 1: 10-10
Gm 2: 10-7 LMA
Gm 3: 10-8 Kawhi
Gm 4: 10-10
Gm 5: 10-8 Kawhi
Gm 6: 10-10

Decision: 57-56 Kawhi

After Gm 2, the series might as well have been 0-0 & a best of 5 w/ OKC having HCA. Kawhi stole back HCA in Gm 3 & was the only one that showed up in Gm 5, meanwhile Softrdige was MIA for the ENTIRE "best of 5" mini-series.


Now I got you changing your font size. It's over bro.
You brought up the stat and I wrecked you in it. :wow
I've already made the case for game 6, and again we're talking about the overall MVP of the series. (LMA)
Durant poured it on Kawhi when it really mattered in game 4, and in 6 was letting Roberson look like a defensive MVP out there in the close out game, meanwhile LMA is out rebounding everyone on 50% shooting. Kawhi chucked, and sank again into a mediocre all star like he did against the Clips. Kawhi has Superstar potential, but for now he's just an all star.

[Kawhitstorm]

Your stupid-ass article said that LMA's "ceiling" would be Jermaine O'Neal. That's like saying Steven Adams' ceiling is Dirk Nowitzki. Two totally different TYPE of players, who do different things on the floor

Are you familiar w/ Aldridge's game in college?:lol
Comparing Steven Adams to Dirk is no where in the stratosphere as comparing LMA to JO. :downspin:

LMA has EVERY FREAKIN' skillset to be like JO but he chose to be a space cadet like Frye who plays soft defense meanwhile Adams has never shot a jump-shot in his life & Dirk has never played post defense like Adams for one possession in his life.

Harden was compared to Brandon Roy coming out of college & had EVERY SKILLET to be like Roy but that's not the path he CHOSE so are you going to claim that just a case of two 6'6" black guys being compared to each other.:lol


But, hey, they're both really tall white guys. You chose a stupid fucking DraftExpress article to start this stupid fucking thread. Now you have to keep trying to wiggle out of it with make-believe technicalities.

I'm pretty you had a better scouting report on LMA's game in college than those that work for DrafExpress.:lol


NO, the old DraftExpress article was not "spot-on". You're mad because "your team" lost in the playoffs, so now you're throwing a schoolgirl fit, and calling guys "soft" who would stomp a mud-hole in your candy ass. Go get yourself some Vagisil, so you're not scratching things this whole off season.

Someone has their panties in bunches::lmao


Make sure your response is in all caps, like the one above. That always strengthens a shit argument, and makes you look tougher.

Make sure you know what you're talking about before you punch your keyboard furiously.

[Kawhitstorm]

You brought up the stat and I wrecked you in it. :wow

I brought up the stats that wrecked your chicken sized brain b/c you have ZERO understanding of statistics.

James Harden, 8 Steal = DPOY!!!! :wow

iivH5tRGEvU

[AFMadison]

I brought up the stats that wrecked your chicken sized brain b/c you have ZERO understanding of statistics.

James Harden, 8 Steal = DPOY!!!! :wow

iivH5tRGEvU
Meaningless videos with outlandish comparisons doesn't help your argument :lol

Kawhi led the league in steals WPA which is a great identifier for the DPOY. LMA led in WPA for the entire squad which is a great identifier for him as the series MVP. :lol

Statistics :wow

[tholdren]

Wait, he doesn't include LMA in game 4?

When a troll suggests that LMA had a solid game 4...

:lmao :lmao:lmao


No one said he "had a solid game". You are letting your emotions get the best of you much like SATranny. He shot better than KL in that game. And at least he scored a single in the 4th compared to KL's 0.

You're debating who is the worst #1 option, and have the argument that either one of these boners are a legit scoring option. They aren't. Acting like KL has what it takes, yet, to lead this team is retarded. He can't score when it matters. No real way around that, no matter how many emojis you use.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi led the league in steals WPA which is a great identifier for the DPOY. :lol

Statistics :wow

In statistics, the statement you made is called "correlation" which your chicken brain doesn't realize isn't a "GREAT IDENTIFIER" for anything. You are operating under a logical fallacy & are oblivious to it b/c your chicken brain power is limited.

[Kawhitstorm]

You're debating who is the worst #1 option, and have the argument that either one of these boners are a legit scoring option. They aren't. Acting like KL has what it takes, yet, to lead this team is retarded. He can't score when it matters. No real way around that, no matter how many emojis you use.

Softridge is a ONE-WAY player who's getting max money b/c he's supposed to be an ELITE scorer meanwhile Kawhi is TWO-WAY player who is as good a scorer as any of the ELITE wing defenders. If Softridge isn't scoring, he's USELESS. Kawhi could average 8 pts & still be a valuable role player like Iggy.

[AFMadison]

Softridge is a ONE-WAY player who's getting max money b/c he's supposed to be an ELITE scorer meanwhile Kawhi is TWO-WAY player who is as good a scorer as any of the ELITE wing defenders. If Softridge isn't scoring, he's USELESS. Kawhi could average 8 pts & still be a valuable role player like Iggy.
Stats say otherwise :wow

[AFMadison]

In statistics, the statement you made is called "correlation" which your chicken brain doesn't realize isn't a "GREAT IDENTIFIER" for anything. You are operating under a logical fallacy & are oblivious to it b/c your chicken brain power is limited.
I used the same stat YOU used to prove a point :wow

[Kawhitstorm]

I misused the same stat YOU used to prove a point :wow

FIFY

[Kawhitstorm]

Stats say my IQ score is in the bottom 1% :wow

FIFY

[tholdren]

Softridge is a ONE-WAY player who's getting max money b/c he's supposed to be an ELITE scorer meanwhile Kawhi is TWO-WAY player who is as good a scorer as any of the ELITE wing defenders. If Softridge isn't scoring, he's USELESS. Kawhi could average 8 pts & still be a valuable role player like Iggy.
At least you proved my point. KL not a #1 option, and neither is Marsha

[AFMadison]

Yea, I'm just gonna defer
FIFY

[K...]

Guys save all your lma hate for next year, when he plays C along side a rotation of bigs like caddy lalane and ndoy. Oh, Bonner too.

Gonna be the known as the twin sniper towers...two bigs shooting long 2's.

[YGWHI]

Leonard crapped the bed in game 2 in the 4th
Leonard crapped the bed in game 4 in the 4th
Leonard and Aldridge crapped the bed in game 5 in the 4th.
Leonard and LMA came scared and crapped the bed the whole game 6.


And at least he scored a single in the 4th compared to KL's 0.
Wait, he doesn't include LMA in the 4th of game 4?

When a troll suggests that LMA has a solid 4th quarter and way better than Kawhi because he scored a single point

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[skulls138]

[/U][/I][/B]
At least you proved my point. KL not a #1 option, and neither is MarshaKL may not be a number one option, (not saying he couldnt be, making such strides season to season) but he could still be the best player of an elite team even without being a number one option. And though I think Aldridge is the more natural scorer, I dont think he is primary option material either, thats why I feel he needs to be a better rebounder. Hes a good defender but needs to be a more well rounded player to fulfill the amount of money he is getting.

[skulls138]

At least you proved my point. KL not a #1 option, and neither is MarshaKL may not be a number one option, (not saying he couldnt be, making such strides season to season) but he could still be the best player of an elite team even without being a number one option. And though I think Aldridge is the more natural scorer, I dont think he is primary option material either, thats why I feel he needs to be a better rebounder. Hes a good defender but needs to be a more well rounded player to fulfill the amount of money he is getting.

[YGWHI]

KL may not be a number one option, (not saying he couldnt be, making such strides season to season).
Just for the record, Kawhi was over 80 percentile from every spot on the floor. But sure, "he isn't a true offensive player" like the trolls post here.

According to NBA.com, Leonard's shooting 54.5 FG% (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVE_PTS&dir=1) on drives, 45.6 (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/pullup/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1) on pull-up jump shots, 45.6 (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/catchshoot/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1) on catch-and-shoot attempts, and 59.1 (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/post/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1)from the post in playoffs.

He's so versatile on offense and still improving, I can't remember a more efficient player scoring +20 ppg in a season

[tholdren]

KL may not be a number one option, (not saying he couldnt be, making such strides season to season) but he could still be the best player of an elite team even without being a number one option. And though I think Aldridge is the more natural scorer, I dont think he is primary option material either, thats why I feel he needs to be a better rebounder. Hes a good defender but needs to be a more well rounded player to fulfill the amount of money he is getting.

Which, in short, is the problem. They are both getting paid a shit ton of money with the hopes of being able to score as #1 option. These clowns are nowhere to be found in the 4th q

[Snaq O'Meal]

Just for the record, Kawhi was over 80 percentile from every spot on the floor. But sure, "he isn't a true offensive player" like the trolls post here.

According to NBA.com, Leonard's shooting 54.5 FG% (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVE_PTS&dir=1) on drives, 45.6 (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/pullup/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1) on pull-up jump shots, 45.6 (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/catchshoot/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1) on catch-and-shoot attempts, and 59.1 (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/post/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1)from the post in playoffs.

He's so versatile on offense and still improving, I can't remember a more efficient player scoring +20 ppg in a season



There's one problem here: Kawhi also takes on the toughest defensive assignments. Even the Big 3 in their primes never had such a workload. This has contributed to Kawhi's drop in offensive performance late in games.

[skulls138]

Which, in short, is the problem. They are both getting paid a shit ton of money with the hopes of being able to score as #1 option. These clowns are nowhere to be found in the 4th qThey are getting paid a shit ton of money to make us win, how doesnt matter. Tim Duncan being a prime example. Was he the #1 scorer of our team every year? No but we won while he was still our mvp because he was doing some of everything including scoring. Of course A, these guys arent Tim Duncan but also B Tim Duncan and the rest of the big 3 were supposed to have made a bigger contribution in the playoffs as well as people like Diaw.

[tholdren]

They are getting paid a shit ton of money to make us win, how doesnt matter. Tim Duncan being a prime example. Was he the #1 scorer of our team every year? No but we won while he was still our mvp because he was doing some of everything including scoring. Of course A, these guys arent Tim Duncan but also B Tim Duncan and the rest of the big 3 were supposed to have made a bigger contribution in the playoffs as well as people like Diaw.
EXACTLY - and the fallacy is that they come through when needed = why they get paid the $$. LMA and KL do not do this at a high enough level. Player fans will blame the ref, the coach, the bench for their short-comings, but right now its like having 2 Drobs in the playoffs. Which is sad.

[skulls138]

Lets say the talent of KL and LMA are a little bit better than KD and RW. Would you be satisfied? If so then we would still have to overcome what Adams, Kanter and Ibaka did. I think it comes down to gut feelings. My gut says that KL has the tools to be a leader of a damn good team even if he doesnt lead them in scoring. My gut about LMA says that he needs to play more physically down low and think he can. I dont like saying bad things about D-Rob but in a way I see what youre saying and I see KL more as a Duncan type, he, and yes LMA, just didnt have enough help. Duncan didnt win every playoff series he was in either.

[tholdren]

Lets say the talent of KL and LMA are a little bit better than KD and RW. Would you be satisfied? If so then we would still have to overcome what Adams, Kanter and Ibaka did. I think it comes down to gut feelings. My gut says that KL has the tools to be a leader of a damn good team even if he doesnt lead them in scoring. My gut about LMA says that he needs to play more physically down low and think he can. I dont like saying bad things about D-Rob but in a way I see what youre saying and I see KL more as a Duncan type, he, and yes LMA, just didnt have enough help. Duncan didnt win every playoff series he was in either.

I don't think KL and LMA are as good as RW but better than KD. KD is overrated garbage. You're right, but the way to neutralize Adams, Kanter, Ibaka = attack them not shoot jumpers. KL and LMA have to be smarter. KL and LMA together are better than what Drob had. Yet they're still losing every bit as hard as Drob, and the WANT TO feels the same from these guys, which is not much.

You're right - They don't have to win EVERY playoff. But when Tim was the running the show, Spurs knew who was running the show. Here, the Spurs don't. And on ST the posters think that KL / LMA are the best ever, when in reality they haven't won shit as a first, second, or even third option. So until they win, and LEAD their team to a SERIES win, they are still just like patty, or Kyle, or David West.... Spurs pay them big money to show up when the game is on the line - neither of these players have.

[Ditty]

Are we really questioning a guy who was the best player in the league for a week stretch in May, had one critical bad game that wouldn't have mattered if our bench would of stepped up just a little bit? We probably would be playing at least a couple days ago if that was the case. LA is fine, would like to see him come in better shape and extend his range to the three point line possibly next season if needed and work on his post moves.