PATFO should pillage the Kings before Vlade gets fired

[Kawhitstorm]

Already made the suggesting in the Aldridge pre-draft assessment poAst but this needs its own:

Softridge needs a pick-and-pop specialist who isn't afraid to take & MAKE big shots like Jason Terry. Porker becomes useless when Softridge is playing hot potatoes & teams are daring him to be a scorer.

A very gettable player is Darren Collison who is LETHAL from mid-range. Only Kyrie was better among point guards & he was 3rd overall amongst all guards, sandwiched b/w ReDick/Choke-P3: http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#...ayerPosition=G (http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#%21/shooting/?PerMode=Totals&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&sort=Mid-Range%20FG%20PCT&dir=1&CF=Mid-Range%20FGA*G*200&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G)

He isn't a starting caliber PG but he can play 20 SOLID minutes as a backup ala 2014 Patty.



Collison is often overlooked when talking about the best shooters in the game, but his numbers proof that he deserves to be a big part of the conversation. His transition to the bench in Sacramento was a smooth one shooting wise as he shot new career highs from the field and the 3-point line.
On the season, he shot 48.6 percent from the floor, including 40.1 percent from beyond the arc and 85.8 percent from the foul line. Those numbers landed him in the top 20 in 3-point shooting and true shooting percentage.



The Kings might be trying to dump Marco so PATFO can swap Diaw's partially guarantee & Patty (throw in Simmons to sweeten the pot) for Marco/Collison: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hj3vrzg

If the Kings are willing to trade Kofus, who is stuck behind Cousins and Cauley-Stein, that would also take care of the center spot but he has a reasonable contract & they can get a decent haul for him. Joerger also had him in Memphis so they might want to keep him if they move Cousins. Otherwise, the Spurs could just swap Diaw/Patty/Simmons for Kofus/Collison & absorb Marco into the cap space assuming Tim/Manu/D-Worst retire. That would leave PATFO w/ about 6 mill to work along w/ the Room Exception to sign a backup PF/C: Cole Aldrich/Darrell Arthur.

So hypotheticallly, the roster would look something like this:

Kofus/Aldrich/(*open roster* or vet min: Nene)
LMA/Arthur/Bertans
Kawhi/Kyle/(vet min wing defender: Mbah a Moute)
Danny/Marco/(min salary slasher: Summer League)
Porker/Collison/(1st rd pick: defensive minded PG)

If the Kings aren't willing to trade Kofus then sign Mozgov & pray his knee isn't jacked.

If they don't re-sign Rondo then they might keep Collison since he had a starting caliber type season: http://www.nba.com/kings/blog/2015-16-season-breakdown-darren-collison

In that case, Beno might be worth looking into as a Patty replacement since he's an excellent mid-range shooter who could feast running PnPs w/ LMA. He has been decent in the postseason the past couple of season including in 2014 against the same OKC team that Patty mightily struggled against:

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He also player well in 2015 against the Blazers before he got injured:

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He led the NBA in FG% from mid-range in '14-'15: http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/shooting/?PerMode=Totals&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&sort=Mid-Range%20FG%20PCT&dir=1&CF=Mid-Range%20FGA*G*200&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G

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Bonus:

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He has come a long way since 2005.:lol

Seems like PATFO have been keeping an eye on him for a while now: https://fansided.com/2014/02/25/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-interested-beno-udrih/

[TheGreatYacht]

Kostas Koufus, Darrell Arthur, and Darren Collison... If that doesn't put this team over the top, I don't know what will

[Kawhitstorm]

Kostas Koufus, Darrell Arthur, and Darren Collison... If that doesn't put this team over the top, I don't know what will

Austin Rivers, tbh. Has superstar written all over him, just needs the right coach.:wakeup

[K...]

Kostas Koufus, Darrell Arthur, and Darren Collison... If that doesn't put this team over the top, I don't know what will

We still have Kyle too.....don't sleep on the 2017 team

[Kawhitstorm]

We still have Kyle too.....don't sleep on the 2017 team

:lobt2:

[TheGreatYacht]

Austin Rivers, tbh. Has superstar written all over him, just needs the right coach.:wakeup
The right coach? It surely ain't here then.

He should call Stevens, Carlisle, Thibs, Donovan, Budenholzer, Spoelstra, and SVG

[TheGreatYacht]

We still have Kyle too.....don't sleep on the 2017 team
Hopefully the only Kyle we have next season is O'Quinn, tbh..

[SD126]

Hopefully the only Kyle we have next season is O'Quinn, tbh..

Aside of putting up empty stats for the Knicks, what is so intriguing about this??

[YGWHI]

At least Koufus could be a good option for rebounds...

[sasaint]

Austin Rivers, tbh. Has superstar written all over him, just needs the right coach.:wakeup

I can't tell whether you are being facetious, but I really like the guy - based on his performance against the Spurs. If he opts out this off-season I'd welcome him to the Spurs.

[99 Problems]

We stacked.

[TheGreatYacht]

Aside of putting up empty stats for the Knicks, what is so intriguing about this??
Empty stats?

Kyle O'Quinn
Per 36 this season:
14.6ppg, 11.8rpg, 3.4apg, 0.9spg, 2.3bpg
Advanced:
17.5 PER, .520 TS%, .103 WS/48, 0.7 BPM

Kyle Anderson
Per 36 these playoffs:
6.4ppg, 6.7rpg, 2.0apg, 1.7spg, 0.8bpg
Playoffs Advanced:
7.7 PER, .410 TS%, .054 WS/48, 0.0 BPM

[cjw]

Empty stats?

Kyle O'Quinn
Per 36 this season:
14.6ppg, 11.8rpg, 3.4apg, 0.9spg, 2.3bpg
Advanced:
17.5 PER, .520 TS%, .103 WS/48, 0.7 BPM

Kyle Anderson
Per 36 these playoffs:
6.4ppg, 6.7rpg, 2.0apg, 1.7spg, 0.8bpg
Playoffs Advanced:
7.7 PER, .410 TS%, .054 WS/48, 0.0 BPM

Remains to be seen if he can play for a good team, but the talent is there. I have no idea why he was glued to the bench with the Knicks insisting on rolling with RoLo (Lopez was fined but if you're not gonna win, why not see if you struck gold?).

And on Collison - you thought Parker and Mills were bad defensively. He makes them look like Avery Bradley to his Isaiah Thomas out there.

[TheGreatYacht]

Remains to be seen if he can play for a good team, but the talent is there. I have no idea why he was glued to the bench with the Knicks insisting on rolling with RoLo (Lopez was fined but if you're not gonna win, why not see if you struck gold?).And on Collison - you thought Parker and Mills were bad defensively. He makes them look like Avery Bradley to his Isaiah Thomas out there.

[TheGreatYacht]

^ Wtf it didn't let me reply

I don't want Collison, that's why I used blue font. I agree that we need a new PG, but Collison? That's just desperate lol

[Kawhitstorm]

And on Collison - you thought Parker and Mills were bad defensively. He makes them look like Avery Bradley to his Isaiah Thomas out there.

Bruh, Patty against starting guards is as bad as it gets so Collison can't be any worse b/c Patty is the ceiling.:lol

Collison basically plays the same brand of defense as Patty except he's bigger & more athletic. Last time he played backup on a contender ('13-'14 Clips), his DBPM was SIX folds better than Jamal Crawford (-0.4 vs. -2.6).:lol: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2014.html#advanced::24

He also started on a playoff team where he could be hidden on defense (ala Porker) at Indy playing alongside G.Hill/PG & he had the same DBPM as PRIME ('10-'11, same age as Collison: 28) Porker (-0.8): http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2012.html#advanced::24

In the Spurs system while hiding on defense thanks to Danny/Kawhi, he shouldn't be any worse than Jeff Teague as a starter.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't want Collison, that's why I used blue font. I agree that we need a new PG, but Collison? That's just desperate lol

So you're telling me Collison isn't an upgrade over Fatty Mills?:rolleyes (Unless Porker is euthanized, you aren't going to find a better option)

[cjw]

Bruh, Patty against starting guards is as bad as it gets so Collison can't be any worse b/c Patty is the ceiling.:lol

Collison basically plays the same brand of defense as Patty except he's bigger & more athletic. Last time he played backup on a contender ('13-'14 Clips), his DBPM was SIX folds better than Jamal Crawford (-0.4 vs. -2.6).:lol: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2014.html#advanced::24

He also started on a playoff team where he could be hidden on defense (ala Porker) at Indy playing alongside G.Hill/PG & he had the same DBPM as PRIME ('10-'11, same age as Collison: 28) Porker (-0.8): http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2012.html#advanced::24

In the Spurs system while hiding on defense thanks to Danny/Kawhi, he shouldn't be any worse than Jeff Teague as a starter.

I'll just wait a year and take back George Hill, who got paid as much each of the past four years as Kawhi did in his first four years combined. Add that into the equation when evaluating that trade.

If Conley doesn't happen, I'm fine with Hill coming back and Parker backing him up. Will be expensive though given the summer of 2017 cap.

And yes, Jamal Crawford is one of the worst players in the league. The fact that GMs keep paying him...

[Kawhitstorm]

I'll just wait a year and take back George Hill, who got paid as much each of the past four years as Kawhi did in his first four years combined. Add that into the equation when evaluating that trade.

It would make MORE sense to trade Patty this offseason if they aren't planning on re-sign him in 2017 & acquiring Collison to see how he would fit-in since he will also be a free agent in 2017. They would basically get to test drive Collison who could be one of the PGs they would eventually look into in the summer of 2017.

If they want to re-sign him in 2017 then they would actually have his FULL BIRD RIGHTS (b/c of his 3 year contract) meaning they can re-sign him by going over the cap after they sign whomever by maximizing the cap space using his cap hold (9 mill) which will be the equivalent of 3 million under the new CBA.:lol

Teague is probably going to get 20+ mill/per in 2017 & he is only marginally better than Collison while playing in the perfect system. Conley is older, has more mileage & is breakdown already but dude is going to get the MAX.:lol

Head-to-Head:

vs. Teague: http://bkref.com/tiny/6puSs

vs. Conley: http://bkref.com/tiny/CW7xI

vs. Hill: http://bkref.com/tiny/3pHQS

[cjw]

It would make MORE sense to trade Patty this offseason if they aren't planning on re-sign him in 2017 & acquiring Collison to see how he would fit-in since he will also be a free agent in 2017. They would basically get to test drive Collison who could be one of the PGs they would eventually look into in the summer of 2017.

If they want to re-sign him in 2017 then they would actually have his FULL BIRD RIGHTS (b/c of his 3 year contract) meaning they can re-sign him by going over the cap after they sign whomever by maximizing the cap space using his cap hold (9 mill) which will be the equivalent of 3 million under the new CBA.:lol

Teague is probably going to get 20+ mill/per in 2017 & he is only marginally better than Collison while playing in the perfect system. Conley is older, has more mileage & is breakdown already but dude is going to get the MAX.:lol

Head-to-Head:

vs. Teague: http://bkref.com/tiny/6puSs

vs. Conley: http://bkref.com/tiny/CW7xI

vs. Hill: http://bkref.com/tiny/3pHQS

Yes they can go over the cap to resign a guy like Collison, but his cap hold would be an insane 150-190% of his current salary ($7.5-$9.5 million).

[Kawhitstorm]

Yes they can go over the cap to resign a guy like Collison, but his cap hold would be an insane 150-190% of his current salary ($7.5-$9.5 million).

Again, under the 2017 CBA 9 mill would be the equivalent of 3 mill aka Patty's salary. :wakeup