If you had to choose between Manu and Tim...

[apalisoc_9]

For next year..who would you rather have?

Imo,Manu still has a lot of value.

[spursistan]

yeah if we add a roll man, I think we can milk something out of Manu (genuinely think he has suffered from Tiago loss and was bad in that Clippers series partly because the latter couldn't move for shit)...

Sadly for Tim, it would be better if he retires with self-dignity preserved if his post-January form is what we are getting next season..

[K...]

Two more years of PArker ok (extension to the two years on contract)

[dabom]

The worse contract is porker tbh...

[spurraider21]

probably still duncan. the offense can still rely on kawhi/aldridge if needed, but we have nobody who can protect the rim at all. diaw/west looked like boys among men against OKC. aldridge played solid D this year but he's not an anchor, and boban is like a baby deer out on defense

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Tim off the bench

[spurtech09]

I choose both.....final answer

[beirmeistr]

if tim was still like 2015 tim, I would say that both should come back. But tim is clearly suffering from deteriorated knees, so I think he should stay home. Manu, on the other hand, can still run well, be a productive playmaker with great vision, pass well for a 39 year old. He would be asteal if he came back, but I suspect that if Tim retires, he will too.

[Robz4000]

Tim.

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[Sean Cagney]

If Tim looks anywhere near the Tim in the last two games against OKC then he can return, if he looks like second half Tim and the first 4 games I would rather him retire because he looked bad at times.

[cd98]

Tim. Bigs can play a long time bc they are tall and thus rim protectors. He can get some blocks, rebounds, and an occasional dunk. And he's not guarding super quick athletes unless it's a pick and roll, and again, his size and experience can help.

Manu has to guard staller athletes and beat them off the dribble. If he can't shoot 38% or better from three, he won't be able to penetrate and his shooting has been eh the last two years. I loved him at his best, but at 38 I just think it's time to move on and give some young players a shot.

[lilbthebasedgod]

Tim. We need a good bench big.

Ideally I want both back. I think they both could contribute off the bench.

[Keepin' it real]

If you had to choose between Manu and Tim

Stupid ass question.

[ducks]

For next year..who would you rather have?

Imo,Manu still has a lot of value.
Duncan by far
Big off the bench better then most bigs he would face
Manu can not create and play back to back needs ton of rest

[Kawhitstorm]

Manu can play a Barbosa type role as the 10th man.:wakeup

[TheGreatYacht]

Tim, and it ain't close. Manu was terrible against good teams.

Tim at least showed up when the backs were on the wall, Manu? He fouled out in 15 minutes

[-21-]

Manu can play a Barbosa type role as the 10th man.:wakeup
This is my ideal scenario. Manu in a Barbosa role and Tim in an Ezeli role as the 3rd/4th big. The only problem is finding good enough players to replace the bigger roles Tim & Manu would be leaving (Starting Center & 6th man). With the money Tim & Manu would be taking up, it's gonna be tough to fill those spots.

[johnnySpurs]

As Tim ages, I do not understand why he doesn't rely on his mid-range game a little more to provide some semblance of productivity. His bank shot used to be money. Now everything that he puts up is within 3ft from the basket.

If he would try to modify his game to compensate for his old age shortcomings, I'd easily take a 10pt, 9reb, 1blk Duncan. He still has some value as a defensive big, and I'm always worried about TO's when Manu enters the game.

[hater]

I'd choose diarreah before Manu.

[GSH]

Why is this a discussion? They are both Spurs' legends who are obviously struggling at the ends of their careers. So you decide to start a thread to invite people to piss on them? I know, I know... you only invite people to piss on one of them, because they are supposed to make a choice about which one they would take back vs. which one is just too useless.

How about a choice between one of your useless threads and, say, a Draw Mohammed Cartoon Contest? That would generate a lot of nasty comments, and get you even more of the attention you crave.

[ElNono]

Spursfan need to start thinking in the post-Big Two era, tbh... even if both come back, they're very likely to only shows small glimpses here or there, they're more "surrounding cast" right now than anything else...

Really lots of work to do for RC this summer...

[kaji157]

For next year..who would you rather have?

Imo,Manu still has a lot of value.

I think both offer leadership, and expecting anything more seems like it´s going to be a disappointment.

From time to time it looked like Manu could transform into a PG for the starters like a Derek Fisher type PG, take the ball up, pass, get ready for the open 3pt. I am not sure he can do even this anymore.

In Tim´s case he looked unable to finish the whole season, he can adapt to a defensive center only position, and find ways to still contribute defensively against some teams, but is seems that if he cannot regain some mobility then the league´s speed is just to much for his actual self. Still we cannot be asses if that lack of mobility is a health or age issue, or both.

I don´t believe there is a clear cut, better contributor, out of these two, I do believe that Aldridge and Leonard need them both in this moment, after an under performing season, where those two where the main cogs of the team. Talk to them, try to make them understand how they changed 2004 into 2005, how a basket here and there changed an early exit into a 7 game Finals win over a historic defensive team, i think both will need Tim and Manu, not in the court maybe, but holding their backs, keeping them pointing in the right direction.

As i said in many threads, the 2.5 millions Manu is due and the 5.65 Tim is due are crumbles for the amount of money most FA will demand, and i don´t believe that amount will make much difference. So if they stay, even only for mentoring, i think Kawhi will benefit, and LMA is the one with the potential to benefit the most, if he can add some of Timmy and Manu´s toughness and competitiveness, then we have a potential championship cornerstone right there.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'd choose diarreah before Manu.

[SpursforSix]

Tim could cause some problems for someone's 2nd team. And be a mentor to a young big.
But not sure he can go another year on those knees. Probably time for both to hang it up and kidnap Parker in the way out.

[rudwick]

Get the name of Westbrook's steroid doc from Sam Presti and have them spend the summer "rehabbing".

[SAGirl]

Honestly neither. The team needs to move on.

[Phenomanul]

TBH both of them should consider taking a break from all things basketball (post Rio in the case of Manu) and just work on strengthening their bodies till next January. Start working them in to the rotation next February and then they likely still have their legs under them for one last playoff run. People forget that both of them started the season really well in October / November (and by well I mean a highly efficient game).

[Phenomanul]

and Duncan needs to go overseas and get some quality stem cell therapy in his knee.

[cjw]

TBH both of them should consider taking a break from all things basketball (post Rio in the case of Manu) and just work on strengthening their bodies till next January. Start working them in to the rotation next February and then they likely still have their legs under them for one last playoff run. People forget that both of them started the season really well in October / November (and by well I mean a highly efficient game).

Essentially a similar route that some older baseball pitchers go down. Think it's a lot harder in basketball to get your legs under you than skipping half the MLB season, though. More likely if they come back and see ~2 games per week. This would also allow younger guys to get early season burn.

Would a January start mean renouncing them with the understanding that they come back on minimum contracts?

[Blue Duck]

Stupid ass question.

Wow, it's strange how differently two people can view the same thing. I was a actually about to compliment the op on bringing up an interesting hypothetical i hadn't yet considered. Anyways, love em both, always will but at this point.....my choice is Manu. Ball will move, open man will be found.

[SD126]

The worse contract is porker tbh...

[cd021]

tough choice I think I would choose Manu. Duncan provides rim protection, rebounding, passing, and interior scoring. Manu provides play making for the second unit, spurs offense has had two primary play makers for years one in the SL and one off the bench. Losing Manu would leave a big hole on the second unit.

[Capster]

The worse contract is porker tbh...
I agree!

[cd021]

As Tim ages, I do not understand why he doesn't rely on his mid-range game a little more to provide some semblance of productivity. His bank shot used to be money. Now everything that he puts up is within 3ft from the basket.

If he would try to modify his game to compensate for his old age shortcomings, I'd easily take a 10pt, 9reb, 1blk Duncan. He still has some value as a defensive big, and I'm always worried about TO's when Manu enters the game.

Duncan's mid range game was money during the 11-12 and 12-13 season it has been poor even since. Duncan has altered his game by cutting out mid range shots and taking shots closer to the basket. He dominated the Clippers averaging 18ppg on 59% shooting in last years first round series.

If Duncan could regain that form then his value on offense would drastically improve, teams can sag off when he catches the ball outside of the paint.