Just Finished watching Breaking bad...

[apalisoc_9]

I can't say its the greatest show ever because it's the only TV show I have ever watched. I'm sure Ive sat down on a few episodes of friends or seinfled before but never really took the show seriously.

I was contemplating cancelling my Netflix subscription a month ago but before doing so, I watched three epusodes of BB and decided not to...

I enjoyed it a lot. I felt that pacing was great. I swear there was a thread of that show here a year ago but my search only leads to a soprans,wire, thread.

Anything you guys can recommend? Shows of aimilar quality.

[Gummi Clutch]

the sopranos is too slow. BB takes the cake, you've been spoiled more than you realize, so you'll have to give other shows time. Ironically, BB was the first show I actually ever dedicated time to watching also, since then I've binged most of the ones on.

Watch some good HBO shows:

Game of Thrones (1st season very slow)
House Of Cards
THe walking dead (don't watch it---only reason I listed it)
sparticus (gore/pornish ----fun and entertaining)
Banshee
Silicon Valley

[Gummi Clutch]

oh wait you're vegan, Laguna Beach is good too so I hear.

And if you like it up the ass, watch Naruto.

[Capt Bringdown]

I recently finished a 2nd viewing. Worth it, although the Mom, Kid & Sister-in-law characters are fast-forward worthy.

Deadwood is hands-down my favorite of the new-golden-age-of-TV series. Followed closely by Mad Men.

Bloodlines on netFlix is pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRnS8FkcXNk

[Xevious]

If you liked Breaking Bad, give Better Call Saul a try. Aside from Game of Thrones, it's my favorite show currently running.

[InRareForm]

Homeland is solid.

Ray Donovan is solid.

The Leftovers season 2 is up there with the best television.

[cd021]

I can't say its the greatest show ever because it's the only TV show I have ever watched. I'm sure Ive sat down on a few episodes of friends or seinfled before but never really took the show seriously.

I was contemplating cancelling my Netflix subscription a month ago but before doing so, I watched three epusodes of BB and decided not to...

I enjoyed it a lot. I felt that pacing was great. I swear there was a thread of that show here a year ago but my search only leads to a soprans,wire, thread.

Anything you guys can recommend? Shows of aimilar quality.

Fargo is probably the best show that is still on season 1 was great season 2 was incredible.

The Shield might be the best show I have ever watched. probably have it ahead of the Wire and Breaking Bad, 7 seasons 89 episodes about 45 minutes a pop. Once you get going you may watch four or five in a night, that addicting.


Justified is also a great watch. Boyd Crowder maybe one of the best TV characters in the history of TV.

[Darth_Pelican]

The first season of True Detective. It just doesn't get much better than that. And avoid season 2 at all costs. The seasons aren't related.

[Boogie Munster]

The first season of True Detective. It just doesn't get much better than that. And avoid season 2 at all costs. The seasons aren't related.

I've been rewatching the first season this week. Just amazing from start to finish. Best opening credits scene, ever.

[Boogie Munster]

The Shield might be the best show I have ever watched. probably have it ahead of the Wire and Breaking Bad, 7 seasons 89 episodes about 45 minutes a pop. Once you get going you may watch four or five in a night, that addicting.

Love The Shield but I still can't watch that finale again. They completely set and destroyed the bar for finales as far as emotional impact is concerned. When they dragged Ronnie off, :( :( :(

[Gummi Clutch]

OP is a giant attention whoring faggot, people give him good recommendations and he just masturbates to the attention. Worst poster on this site by far.

[cd021]

Love The Shield but I still can't watch that finale again. They completely set and destroyed the bar for finales as far as emotional impact is concerned. When they dragged Ronnie off, :( :( :(

At the end of the final episode, when they a picture of Lem in his last scene that got to me. Perfect ending in my book, not what everyone expected but the ending that was derseved. Vic showed his true colors, turning on his boy in some false sense of honor.

[Thebesteva]

I can't say its the greatest show ever because it's the only TV show I have ever watched. I'm sure Ive sat down on a few episodes of friends or seinfled before but never really took the show seriously.

I was contemplating cancelling my Netflix subscription a month ago but before doing so, I watched three epusodes of BB and decided not to...

I enjoyed it a lot. I felt that pacing was great. I swear there was a thread of that show here a year ago but my search only leads to a soprans,wire, thread.

Anything you guys can recommend? Shows of aimilar quality.

Game of thrones and a waaaaay distant 3rd place is Sons of anarchy

[redzero]

I am rewatching it for the third time, and I still think the Mexican Terminators never quite jelled with the rest of the series. But One Minute made their entire storyline worth it.

[Will Hunting]

Best TV series I've ever watched is still The Wire with nothing else coming close.

[140]

Best TV series I've ever watched is still The Wire with nothing else coming close.

This tbqh. First season of True Detective and BB are absolutely great great stuff as well but not quite on that level imho.

[140]

Also season 1 of Fargo was amazing too. Watched a few eps of season 2 but just couldn't be bothered finishing it for some reason, even though it has gotten mostly positive reviews. Might have to give it another try.

[Will Hunting]

This tbqh. First season of True Detective and BB are absolutely great great stuff as well but not quite on that level imho.

With the exception of season 5.....that season was so shitty it almost ruined the rest of the series.

[Kim Jong-il]

With the exception of season 5.....that season was so shitty it almost ruined the rest of the series.
If they didn't force the boring newspaper storyline it would have been great. Also, Marlo was never anywhere close to as interesting a character as Avon or Stringer. If it wasn't for Snoop, then Marlo's whole crew would have been boring as shit.

[Kim Jong-il]

Also season 1 of Fargo was amazing too. Watched a few eps of season 2 but just couldn't be bothered finishing it for some reason, even though it has gotten mostly positive reviews. Might have to give it another try.
Season 2 ended up way better than Season 1 imo. Billy Bob was great, but he felt a little caricatured at times. I found the Indian in Season 2 to be a more terrifying "villain". But in Season 1, Molly is a more interesting "hero" than her father is in Season 2. Ted Danson and Lou's wife are terrific tho.

[JMarkJohns]

You can argue BB is the only series that never had a letdown season of most recent series.

Justified was great, but season 5 was not very good, and even seasons 3 and 6 had some very low valleys.

Sons of Anarchy was straight shit after season 3.

Shield was a caricature by season 5.

Walking Dead hasn't been nearly as gripping as ratings suggest.

Then even premium shows...

Game of Thrones season 4 and 5 had some very trite plots that carried on and on forever.

Homeland was pretty horrible after season 2.

Boardwalk Empire had issues throughout that were magnified by the end.

Penny Dreadful is still a better cast and idea than product.

True Detective had a lull in season 1's last few episodes that carried into season 2 new cast and plot line.



But BB only got better. Only got darker. Only got stronger. Characters never felt trite. Plots never carried on too long. You went from hating to loving to hating characters because that was the intention, not because they wasted a characters potential for so long.

Better Call Saul is off to a great start, but they actually started in quality similar to season 3 of BB so it will be tough to never have a letdown season.

Banshee might be the only other show of 3+ seasons to not have a letdown, and it won't because it ends this year.

But that's a different sort of show. BB superior to it in every way.

[FkLA]

I actually just started rewatching it for a second time too. On Season 3 right now. If you want to stay in the Breaking Bad universe you should check out Better Call Saul.

Aside from all the shows that have already been recommended I would also recommend Mr. Robot and Deadwood.

[JMarkJohns]

Deadwood is hard to recommend because it's so damn unfulfilling.

Still a great show.

If you have Amazon Prime, you get access to these older HBO shows included. Been great rewatching The Wire. I owned Deadwood already, but you can access it there.

[leemajors]

Humans on AMC was a pretty good remake of Real Humans. Luther is also a pretty solid show.

[Will Hunting]

If they didn't force the boring newspaper storyline it would have been great. Also, Marlo was never anywhere close to as interesting a character as Avon or Stringer. If it wasn't for Snoop, then Marlo's whole crew would have been boring as shit.

Agreed that the newspaper story line was forced but for me the thing that made season 5 shitty was the fake serial killer part. It was the type unrealistic/sensationalized bullshit I'd expect from a crime TV show that's aired on TNT/FX/USA.

And also, the bolded part is why I never understood the general consensus that season 4 was the best. The public school plot line was good but there was nothing appealing or likable about Marlo, he was just a ruthless asshole who killed people to maintain his power.

[InRareForm]

You can argue BB is the only series that never had a letdown season of most recent series.

Justified was great, but season 5 was not very good, and even seasons 3 and 6 had some very low valleys.

Sons of Anarchy was straight shit after season 3.

Shield was a caricature by season 5.

Walking Dead hasn't been nearly as gripping as ratings suggest.

Then even premium shows...

Game of Thrones season 4 and 5 had some very trite plots that carried on and on forever.

Homeland was pretty horrible after season 2.

Boardwalk Empire had issues throughout that were magnified by the end.

Penny Dreadful is still a better cast and idea than product.

True Detective had a lull in season 1's last few episodes that carried into season 2 new cast and plot line.



But BB only got better. Only got darker. Only got stronger. Characters never felt trite. Plots never carried on too long. You went from hating to loving to hating characters because that was the intention, not because they wasted a characters potential for so long.

Better Call Saul is off to a great start, but they actually started in quality similar to season 3 of BB so it will be tough to never have a letdown season.

Banshee might be the only other show of 3+ seasons to not have a letdown, and it won't because it ends this year.

But that's a different sort of show. BB superior to it in every way.


lol tough critic. calling homeland terrible is horse shit. Its been solid

[JMarkJohns]

lol tough critic. calling homeland terrible is horse shit. Its been solid

Homeland season 1 was incredible.
Homeland season 2 was pretty good, and great at times.
Homeland season 3 was insufferable.
Homeland season 4 was dragging, then incredible for 3 episodes, then ended on did.
Homeland season 5 was not good, but maybe not terrible.

I'd go:

9.5/10
8.0/10
5.0/10
7.0/10
5.5/10

So terrible may have overstated overall, but I did qualify after season 2, so.

[Spurminator]

I've already said it but the most recent season of South Park is up there with any season of TV I've ever seen.

[BD24]

The wire is fantastic. Game of thrones is good for the first couple of seasons. Kind of shit now though. Dexter is good entertainment. Heroes is good for the first season. I'm sure I am forgetting some other shows.

edit: Narcos is fucking fantastic as well

[Spurminator]

Good call on Narcos, I'm surprised that show didn't get more buzz.

[140]

The wire is fantastic. Game of thrones is good for the first couple of seasons. Kind of shit now though. Dexter is good entertainment. Heroes is good for the first season. I'm sure I am forgetting some other shows.

edit: Narcos is fucking fantastic as well


Good call on Narcos, I'm surprised that show didn't get more buzz.

True tbh on Narcos, forgot all about it. Season 2 is supposed to come out on August I think.

[Capt Bringdown]

True Detective - And avoid season 2 at all costs. The seasons aren't related.

True dat. Season 2 is horrifically bad.

The Wire - I need to give this a second chance. It never clicked with me.

[Reck]

If you want newer shows that are going to end up being epic when they end go watch Billions and Mr. Robot.

[Bender]

Season 2 may have sunk True Detective. It doesn't appear that there is going to be a third season. Or does anybody know different?

[leemajors]

Season 2 may have sunk True Detective. It doesn't appear that there is going to be a third season. Or does anybody know different?

no third season but HBO exec admitted he rushed the show to production. guy who wrote it will work on another project for HBO

[Cry Havoc]

Best TV series I've ever watched is still The Wire with nothing else coming close.

Yeah, I just finished BB also.

I feel like it wasn't fair, because I had a number of people telling me that it was better than The Wire.

Sorry, it's not even close. BB is great for what it does. But it's a twist on a fairly standard story.

The Wire was the most complete series I've ever seen. They examined everything, from every angle. They drilled down into the culture, the repercussions, and how it all ties together. Watching The Wire isn't just a great TV show it's an education on the recent history of Baltimore, done in a way that never seems droning or heavy-handed. Season 5 was a bit wonky for TW, but seasons 1, 3, and 4 are near perfection. I loved season 2 too but I feel I'm in the slight minority there.

That said, BB was a very well-crafted narrative, with EXCELLENT storytelling mechanics and open-ended enough to keep you guessing.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I just finished BB also.

I feel like it wasn't fair, because I had a number of people telling me that it was better than The Wire.

Sorry, it's not even close. BB is great for what it does. But it's a twist on a fairly standard story.

The Wire was the most complete series I've ever seen. They examined everything, from every angle. They drilled down into the culture, the repercussions, and how it all ties together. Watching The Wire isn't just a great TV show it's an education on the recent history of Baltimore, done in a way that never seems droning or heavy-handed. Season 5 was a bit wonky for TW, but seasons 1, 3, and 4 are near perfection. I loved season 2 too but I feel I'm in the slight minority there.

That said, BB was a very well-crafted narrative, with EXCELLENT storytelling mechanics and open-ended enough to keep you guessing.

Season 2 was my second favorite of The Wire, with Season 4 obviously being the high water mark.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

You can watch it on Amazon prime

https://ubermonkey.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/ozposter.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

Thanks for the recomendations. I think Im going to give the wire and true detective a shot.

[apalisoc_9]

You can watch it on Amazon prime

https://ubermonkey.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/ozposter.jpg

:lol

I watched a couple episodes of this. Harlem mentioned it a few years ago. Is this with tge ugly guard chick that tries to fuck random guys :lol

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, I just finished BB also.

I feel like it wasn't fair, because I had a number of people telling me that it was better than The Wire.

Sorry, it's not even close. BB is great for what it does. But it's a twist on a fairly standard story.

The Wire was the most complete series I've ever seen. They examined everything, from every angle. They drilled down into the culture, the repercussions, and how it all ties together. Watching The Wire isn't just a great TV show it's an education on the recent history of Baltimore, done in a way that never seems droning or heavy-handed. Season 5 was a bit wonky for TW, but seasons 1, 3, and 4 are near perfection. I loved season 2 too but I feel I'm in the slight minority there.

That said, BB was a very well-crafted narrative, with EXCELLENT storytelling mechanics and open-ended enough to keep you guessing.

I loved season 2 as well and don't understand why most people didn't like it. I can't think of any other TV show, or movie for that matter, in recent memory that examined the decline of working class white families in America as thoroughly as Season 2 did.

[140]

I loved season 2 as well and don't understand why most people didn't like it. I can't think of any other TV show, or movie for that matter, in recent memory that examined the decline of working class white families in America as thoroughly as Season 2 did.

IMO people didn't like it just because it put the main focus on the white/blue collar/docks world and took it away from the blacks/drugs/ghetto theme (which is much more familiar and "sexy" so to speak). They wanted more of season 1 and were just close minded to change. I thought season 2 was great as well.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

:lol

I watched a couple episodes of this. Harlem mentioned it a few years ago. Is this with tge ugly guard chick that tries to fuck random guys :lol

Yep :lol

http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/oz/character/staff/officer-claire-howell-1024.jpg

[cd021]

If they didn't force the boring newspaper storyline it would have been great. Also, Marlo was never anywhere close to as interesting a character as Avon or Stringer. If it wasn't for Snoop, then Marlo's whole crew would have been boring as shit.

I liked Marlo, to me he seemed to be a blend of Avon and Stringer. He wanted to be street famous but also seemed to be more intelligent that the average dealer.

Omar was only in like 3 episodes but he was incredible.

[Capt Bringdown]

it's an education on the recent history of Baltimore...

This was/is the deal-breaker for me. Yawn. I will give the show another look, however.

[leemajors]

I loved season 2 as well and don't understand why most people didn't like it. I can't think of any other TV show, or movie for that matter, in recent memory that examined the decline of working class white families in America as thoroughly as Season 2 did.

Was weird seeing the actor who played Ziggy older in Bosch season 2, which is pretty good and has a lot of Wire alums in it:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTMxNTU3NDg0NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODIzNzExNg@@._ V1_UY317_CR11,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

[cd021]

Thanks for the recomendations. I think Im going to give the wire and true detective a shot.

I suggest you check out Hannibal, it came on NBC but it was actually fantastic. Extremely well done and well acted, only 39 episodes but very densely packed one of the best shows to come on network TV in a decade.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Homeland is solid.

Ray Donovan is solid.

The Leftovers season 2 is up there with the best television.

I couldn't finish the first season of Donovan.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, I just finished BB also.

I feel like it wasn't fair, because I had a number of people telling me that it was better than The Wire.

Sorry, it's not even close. BB is great for what it does. But it's a twist on a fairly standard story.

The Wire was the most complete series I've ever seen. They examined everything, from every angle. They drilled down into the culture, the repercussions, and how it all ties together. Watching The Wire isn't just a great TV show it's an education on the recent history of Baltimore, done in a way that never seems droning or heavy-handed. Season 5 was a bit wonky for TW, but seasons 1, 3, and 4 are near perfection. I loved season 2 too but I feel I'm in the slight minority there.

That said, BB was a very well-crafted narrative, with EXCELLENT storytelling mechanics and open-ended enough to keep you guessing.

The descent of a normal man into crime out of desperation is not 'typical' as opposed to a police drama.

Cop shows are a dime a dozen. I like The Wire and while it's a more cynical look at cops than say Blue Bloods, its still of a very developed genre. Perhaps the most done subject and plot in TV history. They even had the kingpin. Basically, what I read here is that you like the Wire because you identify with it.

[SpursforSix]

The descent of a normal man into crime out of desperation is not 'typical' as opposed to a police drama.

Cop shows are a dime a dozen. I like The Wire and while it's a more cynical look at cops than say Blue Bloods, its still of a very developed genre. Perhaps the most done subject and plot in TV history. They even had the kingpin. Basically, what I read here is that you like the Wire because you identify with it.

They're both great shows but I agree with you that BB was more novel and fresh. I can't really think of anything to compare it to, better or worse.
But even though the Wire was another cop show, it was superior than anything before or after. IMO. The characters and development were on a different level. I'll throw in Homicide as another damn good cop show. At least in the beginning. And considering it was on network tv.

[Cry Havoc]

The descent of a normal man into crime out of desperation is not 'typical' as opposed to a police drama.

Cop shows are a dime a dozen. I like The Wire and while it's a more cynical look at cops than say Blue Bloods, its still of a very developed genre. Perhaps the most done subject and plot in TV history. They even had the kingpin. Basically, what I read here is that you like the Wire because you identify with it.

I meant the idea that BB followed a single protagonist. It told a unique story from a very common viewpoint.

When The Wire came out, nothing like it had been done before. No TV series prior to that had taken a wide-angled yet nuanced approach to the issues of both police corruption and drug addiction. You say it's a typical "police drama", but you can count on less than two hands the number of times any kind of police shootouts happen. It was extremely realistic in that aspect as well, something that is STILL a failure of modern day cop shows, when they're under fire every 30 minutes.

[Will Hunting]

The descent of a normal man into crime out of desperation is not 'typical' as opposed to a police drama.

Cop shows are a dime a dozen. I like The Wire and while it's a more cynical look at cops than say Blue Bloods, its still of a very developed genre. Perhaps the most done subject and plot in TV history. They even had the kingpin. Basically, what I read here is that you like the Wire because you identify with it.

If all you identify The Wire as is a cop show then you really missed the mark when you were watching it.

[baseline bum]

I don't know why people shit on Season 5 of The Wire so much. I loved the Carcetti storyline and how he was going to change things but ended up the same asshole he replaced. I mean he was 100% Obama.

[baseline bum]

I'd rank the seasons on the Wire in the order 4 > 2 > 3 > 5 > 1

[Will Hunting]

I don't know why people shit on Season 5 of The Wire so much. I loved the Carcetti storyline and how he was going to change things but ended up the same asshole he replaced. I mean he was 100% Obama.

The fake serial killer is why. That piece is what ruined it for me, it was over the top and stupid.

The newspaper theme also wasn't anywhere near as good as the other season specific themes (public schools, blue collar white families, etc.).

[spursreport]

You can argue BB is the only series that never had a letdown season of most recent series.

Justified was great, but season 5 was not very good, and even seasons 3 and 6 had some very low valleys.

Sons of Anarchy was straight shit after season 3.

Shield was a caricature by season 5.

Walking Dead hasn't been nearly as gripping as ratings suggest.

Then even premium shows...

Game of Thrones season 4 and 5 had some very trite plots that carried on and on forever.

Homeland was pretty horrible after season 2.

Boardwalk Empire had issues throughout that were magnified by the end.

Penny Dreadful is still a better cast and idea than product.

True Detective had a lull in season 1's last few episodes that carried into season 2 new cast and plot line.



But BB only got better. Only got darker. Only got stronger. Characters never felt trite. Plots never carried on too long. You went from hating to loving to hating characters because that was the intention, not because they wasted a characters potential for so long.

Better Call Saul is off to a great start, but they actually started in quality similar to season 3 of BB so it will be tough to never have a letdown season.

Banshee might be the only other show of 3+ seasons to not have a letdown, and it won't because it ends this year.

But that's a different sort of show. BB superior to it in every way.

Ummmmmm, not even close. The first half of season 3 of SOA was straight shit, but seasons 4/5 were pretty fucking good. Season 6 was solid, and season 7 was decent but dragged a little too much, but made up for it with epic finish. And :lol saying Season 5 of the Shield was a joke. God your takes on these shows are fucking awful.

[leemajors]

Ummmmmm, not even close. The first half of season 3 of SOA was straight shit, but seasons 4/5 were pretty fucking good. Season 6 was solid, and season 7 was decent but dragged a little too much, but made up for it with epic finish. And :lol saying Season 5 of the Shield was a joke. God your takes on these shows are fucking awful.

there was no epic finish in SOA, it was as bad as its theme song after season 3.

[InRareForm]

Mr. Robot

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If all you identify The Wire as is a cop show then you really missed the mark when you were watching it.

Cops, robbers and politicians is not a new phenomenon. The drunken, womanizing yet effective cop? The black stern competent partner? Gangster kingpins? Duplicitous politicians? A maligned yet identifiable populace? Urban reform ideas acted out? The local antihero?

Spare me the notion that the 'edgy' cop show is anything but hackneyed by and large. What made The Wire interesting were the actors and the setting and not the plot in any way shape or form.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I meant the idea that BB followed a single protagonist. It told a unique story from a very common viewpoint.

When The Wire came out, nothing like it had been done before. No TV series prior to that had taken a wide-angled yet nuanced approach to the issues of both police corruption and drug addiction. You say it's a typical "police drama", but you can count on less than two hands the number of times any kind of police shootouts happen. It was extremely realistic in that aspect as well, something that is STILL a failure of modern day cop shows, when they're under fire every 30 minutes.

Walter White was the main character but calling him a protagonist is a stretch. Jesse and Hank were both sympathetic fully fleshed out characters that were continuously followed. Others got similar treatment from season to season. We also got the perspective of his family and the dichotomy therein. I hated Skylar but I understood her because they scened her out extensively.

The series also made a habit of asides delving into the lives of various characters from Saul all the way down to Wendy. If you want to say it was all related to Walter then fine but by that token the Wire was centered around Bunk and Jimmy for all the Omar, Bubbles, Bell, and Carcetti asides.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Season 2 may have sunk True Detective. It doesn't appear that there is going to be a third season. Or does anybody know different?

Vince Vaughn played one of the least believable characters I had ever seen post 1960s RTF. Ruined what I felt was an outstanding performance from Farrell.

[cd021]

Vince Vaughn played one of the least believable characters I had ever seen post 1960s RTF. Ruined what I felt was an outstanding performance from Farrell.

Vaughns acting the first four episodes was super shaky, he was much better after that. I felt he broke even by the end of it.

The dialogue was the bigger issue, the writers did not do him any favors. I kept thinking people don't really talk like that.

[cd021]

I'd rank the seasons on the Wire in the order 4 > 2 > 3 > 5 > 1

4-3-5-1-2 for me

Season 4 was fantastic because of character development. The idea of using a group of kids and examining how the streets affected their paths was fascinating.

Season 2 was a tough watch, the first three episodes is like watch a 2 hr, 50 min movie where nothing really happens. It is an important piece in the Wire story but wasn't my fav.

[cd021]

You can argue BB is the only series that never had a letdown season of most recent series.

Justified was great, but season 5 was not very good, and even seasons 3 and 6 had some very low valleys.

Sons of Anarchy was straight shit after season 3.

Shield was a caricature by season 5.

Walking Dead hasn't been nearly as gripping as ratings suggest.

Then even premium shows...

Game of Thrones season 4 and 5 had some very trite plots that carried on and on forever.

Homeland was pretty horrible after season 2.

Boardwalk Empire had issues throughout that were magnified by the end.

Penny Dreadful is still a better cast and idea than product.

True Detective had a lull in season 1's last few episodes that carried into season 2 new cast and plot line.



But BB only got better. Only got darker. Only got stronger. Characters never felt trite. Plots never carried on too long. You went from hating to loving to hating characters because that was the intention, not because they wasted a characters potential for so long.

Better Call Saul is off to a great start, but they actually started in quality similar to season 3 of BB so it will be tough to never have a letdown season.

Banshee might be the only other show of 3+ seasons to not have a letdown, and it won't because it ends this year.

But that's a different sort of show. BB superior to it in every way.

Penny Dreadful is possibly the most disappointing show I have ever watched, just painfully bad. Tries to do to much with so little payout. A bi-sexual warewolf who falls for dracula and a prostitute with consumption and he also likes a chick who may or may not be possessed by the devil oh and he is a sharp shooter too.

Justified is a great show, one of the best final seasons I have watched. Season 5 became a caricature though Boyd is fantastic.

The Shield was always awesome, some of the best TV ever.

Better Call Saul might be one of the best shows on TV.

Banshee is a mixed bag, always entertaining but still not sure I like it three seasons in (have not watched season 4 yet)

Walking Dead has been a letdown, still entertaining but feels less than it could be. Season 2 was the best. Season 3 was a mess. Having Andrea be a focus when the actor is not a good actor was a mistake.

[baseline bum]

4-3-5-1-2 for me

Season 4 was fantastic because of character development. The idea of using a group of kids and examining how the streets affected their paths was fascinating.

Season 2 was a tough watch, the first three episodes is like watch a 2 hr, 50 min movie where nothing really happens. It is an important piece in the Wire story but wasn't my fav.

Yeah the first three episodes of Season 2 are really slow, but Omar testifying against Bird, Zig getting beat down in front of Frog, and McNulty going out for scrapple at 3AM are some of the most classic scenes of the series.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah, I just finished BB also.

I feel like it wasn't fair, because I had a number of people telling me that it was better than The Wire.

Sorry, it's not even close. BB is great for what it does. But it's a twist on a fairly standard story.

The Wire was the most complete series I've ever seen. They examined everything, from every angle. They drilled down into the culture, the repercussions, and how it all ties together. Watching The Wire isn't just a great TV show it's an education on the recent history of Baltimore, done in a way that never seems droning or heavy-handed. Season 5 was a bit wonky for TW, but seasons 1, 3, and 4 are near perfection. I loved season 2 too but I feel I'm in the slight minority there.

That said, BB was a very well-crafted narrative, with EXCELLENT storytelling mechanics and open-ended enough to keep you guessing.


Season 2 was my second favorite of The Wire, with Season 4 obviously being the high water mark.


I loved season 2 as well and don't understand why most people didn't like it. I can't think of any other TV show, or movie for that matter, in recent memory that examined the decline of working class white families in America as thoroughly as Season 2 did.

^ Agree with all this. I honestly didn't like Season 2 that much the first time I watched it, but after rewatching the series a couple of times, it's also my second favorite season of the series. The second half of Season 2 was well worth the slow first half.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah the first three episodes of Season 2 are really slow, but Omar testifying against Bird, Zig getting beat down in front of Frog, and McNulty going out for scrapple at 3AM are some of the most classic scenes of the series.

And D'Angelo gets killed off. At least for me, he's was one of my favorite characters in the 1st season

[cd021]

And D'Angelo gets killed off. At least for me, he's was one of my favorite characters in the 1st season

Where the fuck is Wallace?! :depressed

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Vaughns acting the first four episodes was super shaky, he was much better after that. I felt he broke even by the end of it.

The dialogue was the bigger issue, the writers did not do him any favors. I kept thinking people don't really talk like that.

The scene where he pulled out the guys teeth with a pair of pliers was so unbelievable with him acting it. Paul Reubens could play a better gangster.

[redzero]

Vaughn was good in the second to last episode. In fact, I think the penultimate episode of the second season was great. It got my hopes up for what turned out to be a turd of a finale.

[leemajors]

Vaughns acting the first four episodes was super shaky, he was much better after that. I felt he broke even by the end of it.

The dialogue was the bigger issue, the writers did not do him any favors. I kept thinking people don't really talk like that.
Unrealistic dialogue doesn't stop people from fawning over Tarantino tbh

[baseline bum]

So what is supposed to happen to Pinkman? Does he run off to Canada? Albuquerque police seized his money. DEA has undoubtedly seized his house. Since Marie saw him at their house he's probably public enemy #2 behind Walter. He has to be looking at a really long jail sentence.

[SnakeBoy]

So what is supposed to happen to Pinkman? Does he run off to Canada? Albuquerque police seized his money. DEA has undoubtedly seized his house. Since Marie saw him at their house he's probably public enemy #2 behind Walter. He has to be looking at a really long jail sentence.

He goes on to have a mediocre acting career.

[JMarkJohns]

So what is supposed to happen to Pinkman? Does he run off to Canada? Albuquerque police seized his money. DEA has undoubtedly seized his house. Since Marie saw him at their house he's probably public enemy #2 behind Walter. He has to be looking at a really long jail sentence.

I've always about how he wasn't supposed to live through the first season, and how he's the one who gets out... I like having things to think about and my guess, after everything that happened in season 6, he's out for good, with a new appreciation for the gift of survival.

He ultimately was one of the few characters who acted on a conscience, and acted out because of his conscience. I would have to assume his conscience saves him.

If you think about it, the worst shit happened to him.

It would have been easy to give him an ending.

I'd like to think they intended a spin-off, then went the route of Better Call Saul.

So, the character of Jessie Pinkman out there in screenwriter limbo, a sort of fitting sorry arc for the consciounable murderous, meth-slinging, sort of anti-villain.

[JMarkJohns]

I've thought that Better Call Saul could have a flash forward near its finally that closes this chapter for both Saul and Jessie. That would be funny if Saul hired Jessie to make dough after Jessie Hired Saul to help launder dough.

[baseline bum]

I've thought that Better Call Saul could have a flash forward near its finally that closes this chapter for both Saul and Jessie. That would be funny if Saul hired Jessie to make dough after Jessie Hired Saul to help launder dough.

Jesse murdered two DEA agents in the view of the law and his prints are all over Jack's meth lab, there is no way he can survive in the US. I think the only logical end for him is a really long prison sentence, and that would be such a downer to end the show on so they left it open.

[JMarkJohns]

Maybe Saul advises him to take a trip to Belize.

I see where you're coming from, but if he's disappeared, with all the blood likely all over that Nazi camp, I'd bet they assume he's dead and Walt came back to avenge him. Plenty of federal fugitives evade detection for long stretches.

Fuck, he's got such a conscience, he probably did something for his sweetheart's kid, Brock.

Maybe he stashed money. He collected tons with Mike. Probably knows of some great locations to hide it.

I mean, there's a reason cold cases exist.

[baseline bum]

Maybe Saul advises him to take a trip to Belize.

Saul was in that same vacuum shop with Walt though, and is now in Omaha when Jesse gets freed.



I see where you're coming from, but if he's disappeared, with all the blood likely all over that Nazi camp, I'd bet they assume he's dead and Walt came back to avenge him. Plenty of federal fugitives evade detection for long stretches.


No body and fresh prints though, since he was cooking a batch when they pulled him in at Walt's request.



Fuck, he's got such a conscience, he probably did something for his sweetheart's kid, Brock.


I doubt it. Brock's living with his grandmother now for sure, and she only knows Jesse as the junkie Andrea met in NA. Not a chance she is letting him see Brock.



Maybe he stashed money. He collected tons with Mike. Probably knows of some great locations to hide it.


I think he took both bags full of money when he was throwing them out his car window.


I mean, there's a reason cold cases exist.

Maybe Jesse is smart enough to get out to Canada where he works as a carpenter or doing some other kind of woodwork. But that's a lot of distance to travel with a federal manhunt going for you, especially when you don't even have gas money. Though I guess Badger and Skinny can hook him up.

[baseline bum]

My guess: Skyler and Marie testify against Jesse and he gets life in a federal pound me in the ass prison.

[JMarkJohns]

Fresh prints? What is this West Philadelphia?

[JMarkJohns]

It's been a year since I watched the series. Obviously details are fresher in your mind.

But I think you're way overthinking this.

They beat the shit out of Jesse plenty. His blood has to be all over the place and in that pit. How many people go missing and are presumed dead? Amongst the lesser number of criminals, I'd venture to say a lot.

I get what you're saying about the newness of prints, but I'm not buying it. They have Walt, known world class meth cook, dead at the scene of a meth lab modeled after his own design.

It's a pretty clean scene. Wrap it up and put a bow on it.

I'm sure the detectives can run ballistics on the weapons found to determine the Nazis shot the DEA agents. Nazis didn't seem the type to get rid of perfectly good guns because they'd been used in a fire fight.

Matching ballistics go Nazis, Jesse blood all over, Walt dead at crime scene, not sure there's a huge reason to chase after the ghost of Jesse.

Now, what Jesse does to avoid fingerprinting and other ID going forward, who knows.

But I still think you've introducing a problem that doesn't need addressing.