Trounced a 67 win team and took a 73 win team to 7....

[da_suns_fan]

And all people do is talk shit.

Durant and Westbrook are so so good they almost won a title by themselves.

The Thunder's third leading scorer is Serge "no offense" Ibaka at 11.8 a game. They rely on the 9 ppg from someone named "Enes Kanter".

They showed up to play tonight (didnt roll over like the Spurs) and had a double digit lead in first half. They didnt beat the Dubs but neither did anyone else (unless you think Cleveland will win).

Thanks to Thunder for giving us a much more exciting/surprising/worth-watching post season than anyone expected.

[Thread]

"The 72 Hours of da."

[TDMVPDPOY]

nobody cares who finishes 2nd, let alone 3-4th...

[Clipper Nation]

Oh look, da_suns_fan defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?

[siraulo23]

No excuse choking a 3-1 lead but,

Seriously, wtf andre roberson, kanter and waiters actually playing relatively well for em. This Roberson scrub played excellent defense throughout the playoffs

[baseline bum]

Oh look, da_suns_fan defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?

:rollin

[RD2191]

Lol. Fuck outta here faggot. No one cares about cho-kc

[Spurs 4 The Win]

And all people do is talk shit.

Durant and Westbrook are so so good they almost won a title by themselves.

The Thunder's third leading scorer is Serge "no offense" Ibaka at 11.8 a game. They rely on the 9 ppg from someone named "Enes Kanter".

They showed up to play tonight (didnt roll over like the Spurs) and had a double digit lead in first half. They didnt beat the Dubs but neither did anyone else (unless you think Cleveland will win).

Thanks to Thunder for giving us a much more exciting/surprising/worth-watching post season than anyone expected.

You know a lot about "almost." Can you point on the doll where the Spurs touched you the hardest? :cry

[Floyd Pacquiao]

LOSER

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Oh look, da_suns_fan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10213) defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?
:lol

[Splits]

Oh look, da_suns_fan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10213) defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?

:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

Oh look, da_suns_fan defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?

:lol

[140]

Oh look, da_suns_fan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10213) defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?
:wow




:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Thebesteva]

Gotta give them credit where credit is due...this forum is trash. Doesnt even give champions credit...but makes every excuse for the Spurs aka the biggest playoff chokers in NBA history after this years performance.

[DMC]

And all people do is talk shit.

Durant and Westbrook are so so good they almost won a title by themselves.

The Thunder's third leading scorer is Serge "no offense" Ibaka at 11.8 a game. They rely on the 9 ppg from someone named "Enes Kanter".

They showed up to play tonight (didnt roll over like the Spurs) and had a double digit lead in first half. They didnt beat the Dubs but neither did anyone else (unless you think Cleveland will win).

Thanks to Thunder for giving us a much more exciting/surprising/worth-watching post season than anyone expected.

All that is going to be hard to read on a banner in the rafters.

[DMC]

Gotta give them credit where credit is due...this forum is trash. Doesnt even give champions credit...but makes every excuse for the Spurs aka the biggest playoff chokers in NBA history after this years performance.
So the Thunder deserve praise but the Spurs choked? You can't have it both ways.

[da_suns_fan]

So the Thunder deserve praise but the Spurs choked? You can't have it both ways.

Did the Thunder lose to a lower seed (a team that won 12 less games)?

Did the Thunder get blown out in their elimination game?

Yeah, the Spurs were humiliated. The Thunder at least showed up.

[Splits]

Did the Thunder lose to a lower seed (a team that won 12 less games)?

Did the Thunder get blown out in their elimination game?

Yeah, the Spurs were humiliated. The Thunder at least showed up.

:cry

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[Spurs 4 The Win]

Did the Thunder lose to a lower seed (a team that won 12 less games)?

Did the Thunder get blown out in their elimination game?

Yeah, the Spurs were humiliated. The Thunder at least showed up.

The Suns are champions in my heart :cry

Just kidding, they lost, fucking fagg:lolt

[RD2191]

Did the Thunder lose to a lower seed (a team that won 12 less games)?

Did the Thunder get blown out in their elimination game?

Yeah, the Spurs were humiliated. The Thunder at least showed up.

Showed up and then got fucked up. CHOKE

[Clipper Nation]

Did the Thunder lose to a lower seed (a team that won 12 less games)?

Did the Thunder get blown out in their elimination game?

Yeah, the Spurs were humiliated. The Thunder at least showed up.

Where are Nash and Amare in this picture? I don't see them...

http://i.imgur.com/HkyuEFj.jpg

[Thebesteva]

So the Thunder deserve praise but the Spurs choked? You can't have it both ways.

No one anticipated OKC to do jack shit in the playoffs...everyone all but anticipated at least a Spurs V GSW WCF...they couldnt even do that. If you cant see the difference between expectations between a 67 win team and a 55 win team I dont know what to tell you.

[TDMVPDPOY]

No excuse choking a 3-1 lead but,

Seriously, wtf andre roberson, kanter and waiters actually playing relatively well for em. This Roberson scrub played excellent defense throughout the playoffs

okc needed more scorers, he lucked out in the spurs series where he showed up in the elimination game

isnt waitors a former top2 pick? wheres the offense?

[DMC]

Did the Thunder lose to a lower seed (a team that won 12 less games)?

Did the Thunder get blown out in their elimination game?

Yeah, the Spurs were humiliated. The Thunder at least showed up.
Moral victories are a Suns thing so I can understand why you think any of that matters. The rest of us say no, you win or you don't. Spurs showed up in the 2013 Finals and you and a few others here acted like missing the playoffs was better than losing in the Finals. Now you want to flip the script.

Just be glad you have a WNBA team in Phoenix.

[DMC]

No one anticipated OKC to do jack shit in the playoffs...everyone all but anticipated at least a Spurs V GSW WCF...they couldnt even do that. If you cant see the difference between expectations between a 67 win team and a 55 win team I dont know what to tell you.

I called it upstairs. Sure casual TMZ fans like you expected the seeding to mean something. Why wouldn't you, that and box scores is all you have.

[da_suns_fan]

No one anticipated OKC to do jack shit in the playoffs...everyone all but anticipated at least a Spurs V GSW WCF...they couldnt even do that. If you cant see the difference between expectations between a 67 win team and a 55 win team I dont know what to tell you.

This.

[Splits]

This.

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[Arcadian]

And all people do is talk shit.

Durant and Westbrook are so so good they almost won a title by themselves.

The Thunder's third leading scorer is Serge "no offense" Ibaka at 11.8 a game. They rely on the 9 ppg from someone named "Enes Kanter".

They showed up to play tonight (didnt roll over like the Spurs) and had a double digit lead in first half. They didnt beat the Dubs but neither did anyone else (unless you think Cleveland will win).

Thanks to Thunder for giving us a much more exciting/surprising/worth-watching post season than anyone expected.

You're right, they made a tremendous effort and played way above their heads for 3 games.

But in the end, they still have zero rings, just like your Suns.

[RD2191]

No one anticipated OKC to do jack shit in the playoffs...everyone all but anticipated at least a Spurs V GSW WCF...they couldnt even do that. If you cant see the difference between expectations between a 67 win team and a 55 win team I dont know what to tell you.

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[da_suns_fan]

Moral victories are a Suns thing so I can understand why you think any of that matters. The rest of us say no, you win or you don't. Spurs showed up in the 2013 Finals and you and a few others here acted like missing the playoffs was better than losing in the Finals. Now you want to flip the script.

Just be glad you have a WNBA team in Phoenix.

Only a Spurs fan would think any of this matters. As if any basketball team was worth living in San Antonio, Texas.

I have the same number of championship rings as you: ZERO.

But Im glad the Thunder made it a great series. And it sure was funny when they humiliated the Spurs.

[da_suns_fan]

You're right, they made a tremendous effort and played way above their heads for 3 games.

But in the end, they still have zero rings, just like me.

FIFY :lol

[da_suns_fan]

Spurs fan bitterness is boiling over.

Their team loses to lower seeds all the time. You'd think they'd be use to it by now.

[Arcadian]

FIFY :lol

I never competed in the NBA. What a trivial statement :lol

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Only a Spurs fan would think any of this matters. As if any basketball team was worth living in San Antonio, Texas.

I have the same number of championship rings as you: ZERO.

But Im glad the Thunder made it a great series. And it sure was funny when they humiliated the Spurs.

Naw, we got 5 rings fagg:lolt

[UZER]

Gotta give them credit where credit is due...this forum is trash. Doesnt even give champions credit...but makes every excuse for the Spurs aka the biggest playoff chokers in NBA history after this years performance.

1/10

[da_suns_fan]

I never competed in the NBA. What a trivial statement :lol


Naw, we got 5 rings fagg:lolt

:lol

[RD2191]

Spurs fan bitterness is boiling over.

Their team loses to lower seeds all the time. You'd think they'd be use to it by now.

Sorry your team is irrelevant.

[HarlemHeat37]

This thread is corny af, tbh:lol..

This is ST, we shit on loser teams, we don't celebrate :(moral victories:(..

[DMC]

Only a Spurs fan would think any of this matters. As if any basketball team was worth living in San Antonio, Texas.

I live in Austin.


I have the same number of championship rings as you: ZERO.

The distance you just put between you and your team 'Da Suns Fan" is duly noted.


But Im glad the Thunder made it a great series. And it sure was funny when they humiliated the Spurs.
You're still sore from 2007 and I can understand it. That was your last chance at a title. No one will remember the Spurs lost this year to the Thunder, but that 2007 series is infamous for the amount of butthurt it caused in Phoenix.

So you can have this year to laugh. I'm still laughing at how Manu went back in and took your cookie in Phoenix.

[Clipper Nation]

Only a Spurs fan would think any of this matters. As if any basketball team was worth living in San Antonio, Texas.

:lmao Phoenix is a fucking shithole full of old people and illegals. San Antonio is nothing special, but it beats living in Phoenix by a mile.

10 Worst Places to Live in America: http://www.cnbc.com/id/38584814 - Phoenix #7, San Antonio not ranked :lol

Whether it's in sports or in life, da_suns_fan can always be counted on to back the loser.

[da_suns_fan]

Sorry your team is irrelevant.

Sorry your team means so much to you.

[DD]

I agree with the sentiment of this thread, but your 2nd sentence couldn't be more wrong. They almost beat 2 historically great teams in a row just on offensive rebounding, not KD and RW. They beat--what, at the time--looked like the best Spurs team ever. After Game 1 of the WCSF who'd have put a penny on the Thunder to flip the script like that? They choked hard in Game 6 of the WCF though, so the best you can do is damn them with faint praise for their efforts.

Still, props to them for ruining the Spurs' dream season. Being a Bills fan you learn quickly that you need to find happiness in the little things when your own team sucks. For instance, when it comes to the NFL, my joy is watching the Cowboys and Dolphins meltdown every year. In the NBA, it's watching the Spurs lose...and LeBron as well, since most (but not all) spurfans polish his knob. So although my team sucks, it's a nice little consolation knowing the Spurs choked and LeBron will inevitably lose his 4th Finals.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Spurs fan bitterness is boiling over.

Their team loses to lower seeds all the time. You'd think they'd be use to it by now.

What is funny is you think your trolling is effective, but everyone is just laughing at you, nobody is getting mad, nobody really cares what you have to say, you are irrelevant, you have no rings, you didnt even make the playoffs, you lost out on Aldridge to us, you lost several rings because of us, you are our little bitch, we own you, and nothing you say or do will ever change that :lol

[da_suns_fan]

I live in Austin.


Much better than San Antonio. But still Texas.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Sorry your team means so much to you.

Teams tend to mean more to you when they actually deliver titles and good feelings instead of repeated failure and the pain of devastating defeats

[RD2191]

Teams tend to mean more to you when they actually deliver titles and good feelings instead of repeated failure and the pain of devastating defeats

Gaw damn. Go easy on him.

[da_suns_fan]

Teams tend to mean more to you when they actually deliver titles and good feelings instead of repeated failure and the pain of devastating defeats

Or when you live in San Antonio Texas.

:lol

[baseline bum]

Spurs fan bitterness is boiling over.

Their team loses to lower seeds all the time. You'd think they'd be use to it by now.

LOL Suns fan so bitter he comes here to cry 9 years later

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Or when you live in San Antonio Texas.

:lol

Oh lord, talking shit about the city now, classic sign of defeat. I dont even live in SA, but okay.

[Arcadian]

:lol

:lol Quoting a different person to argue with me...

[DMC]

I agree with the sentiment of this thread, but your 2nd sentence couldn't be more wrong. They almost beat 2 historically great teams in a row just on offensive rebounding, not KD and RW. They beat--what, at the time--looked like the best Spurs team ever. After Game 1 of the WCSF who'd have put a penny on the Thunder to flip the script like that? They choked hard in Game 6 of the WCF though, so the best you can do is damn them with faint praise for their efforts.

Still, props to them for ruining the Spurs' dream season. Being a Bills fan you learn quickly that you need to find happiness in the little things when your own team sucks. For instance, when it comes to the NFL, my joy is watching the Cowboys and Dolphins meltdown every year. In the NBA, it's watching the Spurs lose...and LeBron as well, since most (but not all) spurfans polish his knob. So although my team sucks, it's a nice little consolation knowing the Spurs choked and LeBron will inevitably lose his 4th Finals.

He did that a year ago. He'll lose his 5th Finals. He's had 4 in Miami and this will be the 3rd for Cleveland including 2007.

[Clipper Nation]

Much better than San Antonio. But still Texas.

I'd rather live anywhere in Texas than...

...the kidnapping capital of the USA: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672

...the car theft capital of the USA: http://azdailysun.com/phoenix-area-ranks-worst-in-nation-for-car-thefts/article_0a1d3bd0-11c1-5a24-bcf8-2a84cbca460f.html

...one of the worst cities to build wealth in the USA: http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/blog/business/2015/10/bankrate-phoenix-one-of-the-worst-cities-to-build.html

...a shithole surrounded by two of the most dangerous suburbs in the USA: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/glendale-and-tempe-named-two-of-the-most-dangerous-suburbs-in-america-6632760

:lmao Phoenix
:lmao Suns
:lmao da_suns_fan

[Spurs 4 The Win]

:lol Quoting a different person to argue with me...

:lol

[da_suns_fan]

:lol Quoting a different Spurs fan to argue with me...

FIFY...this really is too easy.

[da_suns_fan]

I'd rather live anywhere in Texas than...

...the kidnapping capital of the USA: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672

...the car theft capital of the USA: http://azdailysun.com/phoenix-area-ranks-worst-in-nation-for-car-thefts/article_0a1d3bd0-11c1-5a24-bcf8-2a84cbca460f.html

...one of the worst cities to build wealth in the USA: http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/blog/business/2015/10/bankrate-phoenix-one-of-the-worst-cities-to-build.html

...a shithole surrounded by two of the most dangerous suburbs in the USA: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/glendale-and-tempe-named-two-of-the-most-dangerous-suburbs-in-america-6632760

:lmao Phoenix
:lmao Suns
:lmao da_suns_fan

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I win.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

FIFY...this really is too easy.
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[JMarkJohns]

Suns suck so bad we Suns fans be picking fights over other team's disappointing playoff losses like we suffering from PTSD flashbacks and shit.

Warriors >Thunder >Spurs >Everyone >Mercury >UConn Women >Suns

[Clipper Nation]

https://www.google.com/search?q=asu+coeds&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2muWfwoPNAhUW7mMKHVY4AjEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1366&bih=643
Hot co-eds are a dime a dozen in Texas.


I win.
:lol Considering your track record, the word "win" shouldn't even be in your vocabulary.

[DD]

He did that a year ago. He'll lose his 5th Finals. He's had 4 in Miami and this will be the 3rd for Cleveland including 2007.

Good catch. I usually give him a pass for 2007--he was a kid and that was just an atrocious team, probably the worst Finals participant I've seen in my lifetime.

[Arcadian]

FIFY...this really is too easy.

So you aren't arguing with me as an individual, but with an abstract representation of all Spurs fans? :lol Interesting.

[midnightpulp]

Oh look, da_suns_fan defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?

Nuked.

/thread

DSF has shown immense faggotry over his "72 hours." Not surprising Cub is backing him.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

So you aren't arguing with me as an individual, but with an abstract representation of all Spurs fans? :lol Interesting.

Arcadian with the nuke :lol

[midnightpulp]

And the premise of this thread is shit. The Thunder shouldn't be feted. They choked. Plain and fuckin' simple. They held multiple double-digit leads in the last 2 games and could never put their foot down on the proverbial throat. Scoring 12 points following 2 quarters of beating the Warriors' ass on their home floor is evidence of their lack of mental fortitude. Not to mention them going like 7 for 60 from 3 over the past 2 games.

I'm surprised DSF doesn't recognize a choke when he sees it, considering he's watched Barkley and Nash his whole life :lol

And yeah, as a Spurs fan, I recognize it. We pulled this same shit against the Lakers in '02 and '04. Held a 4th quarter lead every game in the former and blew an 0-2 series lead in the latter, when our shit shooters missed everything including the backboard when Phil chose to pack-the-paint.

[offset formation]

All that is going to be hard to read on a banner in the rafters.

BWAHAHAHA. BWAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Rafters is nekkid as fuck.

[Splits]

Good catch. I usually give him a pass for 2007--he was a kid and that was just an atrocious team, probably the worst Finals participant I've seen in my lifetime.

No, that would be the 2004 Pistons.

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[baseline bum]

No, that would be the 2004 Pistons.

https://i.imgur.com/jOJS1eR.png

LOL when Laker fan tries to act like that series wasn't an enormous upset. Since OKC couldn't close the deal the 04 Finals still probably stands as the greatest upset in league history.

[dg7md]

They fucking choked. They had the champs on the brink of elimination for 3 straight games and couldn't close it out. Not to mention they had a lead for much of the games that they lost until the very end.

Nothing to be proud of. They had it in the bag but it slipped away due to mental mistakes and a lack of team cohesion. A shame, too, because I like Billy Donovan a lot.

[Stalin]

Oh look, da_suns_fan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10213) defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?


:lol

[DMC]

Good catch. I usually give him a pass for 2007--he was a kid and that was just an atrocious team, probably the worst Finals participant I've seen in my lifetime.
That's why I say it was Phoenix's best and maybe last chance at a ring for quite some time. If those guys stay on the bench, they might have one more, we'd have one fewer.

[baseline bum]

That's why I say it was Phoenix's best and maybe last chance at a ring for quite some time. If those guys stay on the bench, they might have one more, we'd have one fewer.

I still couldn't trust Nash, the guy was a loser.

[AlexJones]

They luckboxed IMO. Play the Spurs series 100 times they win only about 25

[midnightpulp]

:lol They scored 4 points in the last 5 minutes of Game 5 at home, with Westbrook and Durant combining for 6 turnovers and going 0-5 from the field over that span.

"Give them credit, guise! They weren't expected to do much. Golden State was just the better team. Historically great. :cry"

I ain't having it. This was the same bullshit used to excuse Barkley's and Malone's failures against the Bulls. "T-T-They just ran into the GOAT :cry"

No. Those two chokers slit their own throats against Jordan.

The "MVP" goes 7-18 and misses 3 FTs in what turned out to be a 1 point loss.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199306200PHO.html

Similar to how I think OKC was the better team in a vacuum (we're assuming the game is played by emotionless robots), those Suns were better than the Bulls. After a demoralizing 0-2 start to the series (Barkley choked away game 1), losing both games on their home floor, they rode into Chicago and took 2 out of 3, and then had Chicago beaten in Game 6. But Barkley happened.

Like these Thunder, those Suns just didn't know how to close. Too mentally weak.

[DPG21920]

OKC should be proud. They didn't shrink. They are who they are and did what they did all season. They have flaws obviously but they were in every single game, even the last 3, with legit shots to win.

[DD]

LOL when Laker fan tries to act like that series wasn't an enormous upset. Since OKC couldn't close the deal the 04 Finals still probably stands as the greatest upset in league history.

lol equating getting upset with playing a horrible team...weren't the Pistons tied with you going into the 4th qtr of Game 7 of the Finals the following year? Lakers shat the bed for sure, but hindsight tells us that wasn't a scrub team that upset them. I wish we could've been so lucky to get the 8th-seeded Knicks or the 2007 Cavaliers in the Finals. We did, however, give you sloppy seconds on that shitty Nets team.:lol

[DMC]

I still couldn't trust Nash, the guy was a loser.
They would have destroyed the Cavs though.

[DMC]

OKC should be proud. They didn't shrink. They are who they are and did what they did all season. They have flaws obviously but they were in every single game, even the last 3, with legit shots to win.
And as passive as that sounds, "legit shots to win" don't mean shit if you never win. Eventually they aren't legit shots for your team, though they might be for other teams. The Thunder are a "cusp" team. They have too much talent in too few players. They need a less talented PG and better outside shooters.

[midnightpulp]

lol equating getting upset with playing a horrible team...weren't the Pistons tied with you going into the 4th qtr of Game 7 of the Finals the following year? Lakers shat the bed for sure, but hindsight tells us that wasn't a scrub team that upset them. I wish we could've been so lucky to get the 8th-seeded Knicks or the 2007 Cavaliers in the Finals. We did, however, give you sloppy seconds on that shitty Nets team.:lol

:lol You got the '09 Magic, who were lead by the biggest mental midget of his era (Howard), and who were also without Jameer Nelson (yeah, they brought him back in limited minutes after he missed the entire playoffs). He was an all-star that season, and killed the Lakers all year.

The Knicks were bad. But no one was beating the Spurs that season. They went 46-7 (including playoffs) after a 6-8 start.

[Sean Cagney]

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Don't forget the team in 2004 who had 4 HOF's and got their shit kicked in severely by Detroit in those finals man.. That one was good. Spurs were never supposed to win it all this year spite the 67 wins, GSW were always the faves to win it all no if and or buts about it. Spurs did blow it though and that is no lie, they so called choked and I agree with that part there at least. They had some calls go against them for sure, but you don't lose a game 2 or 5 at home when you go 41-1 all year.... LA in 2004 though is up there as well as the 67 win first round exit Mavs who were heavily favored to win it all.

[DD]

:lol You got the '09 Magic, who were lead by the biggest mental midget of his era (Howard), and who were also without Jameer Nelson (yeah, they brought him back in limited minutes after he missed the entire playoffs). He was an all-star that season, and killed the Lakers all year.

The Knicks were bad. But no one was beating the Spurs that season. They went 46-7 (including playoffs) after a 6-8 start.

Actually trying to bring Nelson back ultimately assisted their undoing. Skip to my Lou was filling in nicely against the Celtics and in their huge upset over Cleveland...plus, Nelson is the idiot who let Fisher get off an uncontested 3 to force OT in Game 4, and ultimately win us the series. Don't forget Game 2 either, where Courtney Lee missed the gimmie inbounds layup ftw. They were no prized opponent, but that team beat a much-better version of the Cavs than their 2007 predecessors. 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers are simply the worst Finals team in our lifetimes

[midnightpulp]

Actually trying to bring Nelson back ultimately assisted their undoing. Skip to my Lou was filling in nicely against the Celtics and in their huge upset over Cleveland...plus, Nelson is the idiot who let Fisher get off an uncontested 3 to force OT in Game 4, and ultimately win us the series. Don't forget Game 2 either, where Courtney Lee missed the gimmie inbounds layup ftw. They were no prized opponent, but that team beat a much-better version of the Cavs than their 2007 predecessors. 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers are simply the worst Finals team in our lifetimes

I think anyone from the East in '07 would've been terrible. Detroit was past their prime. Miami declined massively. Other than that, no team in that conference had much of a pulse. The real Finals was obviously Spurs vs. the Suns.

[oh crap]

OKC should be proud.

nope. not tonight. not anymore. not good enough. overachieving or not, losing 3 straight to choke away a conference finals is nothing to feel good about. they had game 6 in the bag, hold on for a few minutes and close it out at home. instead they're going to be a stepping stone to GS repeating. hardly anything to be proud about. ain't no trophies for moral victories.

[DD]

The real Finals was obviously Spurs vs. the Suns.

Absolutely

[Sean Cagney]

They would have destroyed the Cavs though.
TBH most of the West would have beaten them IMO as far as the playoff teams go. That Cavs team outside of Lebron was not very good. I am still shocked they beat Detroit and denied Detroit and SA part 2. I wonder how many games that would have gone to this day.

[Caltex2]

Good catch. I usually give him a pass for 2007--he was a kid and that was just an atrocious team, probably the worst Finals participant I've seen in my lifetime.

You weren't old enough to remember the Nets teams of the same decade?

[Obstructed_View]

The Thunder played great, and have nothing to be ashamed of from this season.

That said, :lol at a loser Suns fan trying to piggyback on it to slam the Spurs because he's still mad about Nash's flop into the scorer's table.

[Caltex2]

The Thunder blew a chance to become the first team to beat two 67+ win teams in the same playoffs, including the first to ever beat a 70+ win team. And what a shame because based on how they were playing at the time, they were the better team but I guess not if they didn't have the killer instinct. Just like Phi Slama Jama, they left the door creaking open until the other more clutch team found a way in.

[Killakobe81]

LOL when Laker fan tries to act like that series wasn't an enormous upset. Since OKC couldn't close the deal the 04 Finals still probably stands as the greatest upset in league history.

On paper? Sure it was lots of hype on the "04 Lakers"
But the moment Colorado went down so did our title chances ...
That a whole season was on Kobe not just the Finals by the Finals we were done ...
Not even sure how we made Finals with:
Kobe jetting back and forth to face rape charges ...
Losing his endorsements
The fued with Shaq going public
Phil and GP beefingbover triangle
Gp pissed at shaq's pnr defense
Malone hitting on Vanessa ...

What a fucking dysfunctional team if you were paying attention, no way that team should have made the finals.

[baseline bum]

lol equating getting upset with playing a horrible team...weren't the Pistons tied with you going into the 4th qtr of Game 7 of the Finals the following year? Lakers shat the bed for sure, but hindsight tells us that wasn't a scrub team that upset them. I wish we could've been so lucky to get the 8th-seeded Knicks or the 2007 Cavaliers in the Finals. We did, however, give you sloppy seconds on that shitty Nets team.:lol

The Nets and Sixers were juggernauts?

[Mnky]

Gotta give them credit where credit is due...this forum is trash. Doesnt even give champions credit...but makes every excuse for the Spurs aka the biggest playoff chokers in NBA history after this years performance.

Westbrook and Durant definitely deserve credit for getting 3 games and knocking off the spurs at their Home. The same argument could be said for lma and Kawhi tho, who has an older and less productive team to carry tbh. Credit where credit is due.

[jag]

Oh look, da_suns_fan defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?

:lol

[baseline bum]

On paper? Sure it was lots of hype on the "04 Lakers"
But the moment Colorado went down so did our title chances ...
That a whole season was on Kobe not just the Finals by the Finals we were done ...
Not even sure how we made Finals with:
Kobe jetting back and forth to face rape charges ...
Losing his endorsements
The fued with Shaq going public
Phil and GP beefingbover triangle
Gp pissed at shaq's pnr defense
Malone hitting on Vanessa ...

What a fucking dysfunctional team if you were paying attention, no way that team should have made the finals.

It's revisionist history to not act like that was an enormous upset.

[midnightpulp]

It's revisionist history to not act like that was an enormous upset.

Are you surprised? Lakerfans never own losses.

- Get swept by the Spurs in '99.

"Uh, uh, Kobe wasn't in his prime yet and we didn't have Phil!"

- Lose to the Spurs in '03

"Shaq and Kobe were feuding. Shaq was also overweight!"

- Blow 3-1 lead to the Suns

"They were the much better team anyway. No one even expected us to compete!"

- Lose '08 Finals, which involved blowing a 24 point second half lead on their home floor and culminated in a 40 point beatdown in the closeout game.

"We didn't have Bynum. Also, that Celtics team was obviously much better." (never mind the fact pretty much everyone had the Lakers winning that series. I mean, the Atlanta Hawks put up more of a fight than the Lakers against that team :lol)

But when the Lakers win, it's always against the other team's peak, like the '01 series, when we were shuffling out corpses on the perimeter. Or the pre-Manu '02 squad. We did choke against them in '04, though. Or that geriatric 50 win Boston team they beat in '10 to get "revenge."

[djohn2oo8]

People are defending OKC as in they didnt blow this series and their best shot at a title...

[midnightpulp]

People are defending OKC as in they didnt blow this series....

It's sickening.

"Golden State just woke up and proved how good they really were!"

Bullshit. Game 6, score was 97-92 in OKC's favor with 4:48 left in the game. How did OKC close out? Scored 4 fuckin' total points, with Westbrook and Durant going 0-5 and committing 6 turnovers. That is a "choke." The Thunder as a whole also shot 3-23 from 3 in the game. No NBA three-point defense is that good. Simply put: Assholes puckered.

[Killakobe81]

It's revisionist history to not act like that was an enormous upset.

Pleae read the first line of what I wrote ... I never said it wasnt an upset.
Based on hype it was huge one ... I remember there were T-shirts calling the Lakers the "matrix Re-loaded" (so gla dI did not buy one)
No one is failing to own anything ...
We lost with home court advantage as well
My point was if you know hoops and you actually followed the Lakers that team was a complete mess.

1. .4 Porobably saves us from losing in the 2nd round ...
2. GP got benched because Phil blamed GP for Tony torching us the first two games ...

That team was one of the worst chemistry teams of any legit contender I have ever seen up close.

Let's say

1. Westbrook was going to Rick Bucher and saying that Durant was lazy and needed to get his ass in the weight room, mid season ...Durant counters with I will pplay defense only if I get fed with some analogy that a dog wont guard the house if he is not fed.
2. Durant has a pressor in training camp and says he was "there early this year to be there for his team-mates and names everyone EXCEPT Westbrook. When asked if he had made a mistake he repeats the same names again. (this happened in Hawaii to start the season in 2003-2004)
3. Westbrook gets accused of rape says Durant has bought his way out of a similar circumstances and the police let that slip ...
4. Wesbrook gets dropped by Mountain Dew and Jordan Brand (kobe kept his shoe deal bought lost Sprite/Mcdonald's)
5. Ibaka or Adams suffers a knee injury in the WCF
6. Westbrook accuses Steven Adams of hitting on his wife ... something about hunting for female monkeys and he was a big game hunter back in NZ

None of this excuses the losss. None of this means it wasnt still an upset. I am just saying if you watched the Pistons play defense and if you followed the drama around the lakers I Knew we would not win a title and was surprised we made it that far. I cannot help if you bought the hype, bum. do you remember the Matrix shirts I am talking about they were all over L.A. that summer ...I even thought about getting one before Colorado.

[Killakobe81]

Side note: I remeber calling my mom that year (i was already out of state) she is huge Kobe fan ...
And telling her Kobe just cost us the title.
I absolutely thought we would ring before colorado.
No doubt in my mind.
Thought that shit was ours.
By June I knew we would not beat Detroit but that summer?
I also bought the hype ...before Colorado.

[Killakobe81]

It's sickening.

"Golden State just woke up and proved how good they really were!"

Bullshit. Game 6, score was 97-92 in OKC's favor with 4:48 left in the game. How did OKC close out? Scored 4 fuckin' total points, with Westbrook and Durant going 0-5 and committing 6 turnovers. That is a "choke." The Thunder as a whole also shot 3-23 from 3 in the game. No NBA three-point defense is that good. Simply put: Assholes puckered.

I agree MId. and the love I showed Russ through 5 games deserves an equal amount of shaming. when people say they have 2 of the 5 best players in the world you have a 5 point lead at home with a title on the line that is a choke. Just like Manu and KL choked Ft's in game 6 in 2013 ...
Or the Lakers in 1984 when Worthy threw the ball and Henderson stole it ...
Or Bird stealing from Isiah ...
Or the blazers choking to the Lakers in 2000 WCf
OR clips losing a 3-1 Lead to the rox

All those teams had a chance to closeout a team they had on the ropes and failed.

[Killakobe81]

Even thread has abandoned Russ officially labeling him a "loser".
I wont go that far but he did choke and I was disappointed in his play.

[Kawhitstorm]

The "We Believe" Warriors trounced a 67 win team & took down the MVP.:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

I am just saying if you watched the Pistons play defense and if you followed the drama around the lakers I Knew we would not win a title and was surprised we made it that far.

They would have probably lost to the Wolves in the WCF if Cassell wasn't injured but the Wolves were the best team in the league when healthy.

But as far a the Finals:

https://i.imgur.com/jOJS1eR.png

[Killakobe81]

They would have probably lost to the Wolves in the WCF if Cassell wasn't injured but the Wolves were the best team in the league when healthy.

But as far a the Finals:

https://i.imgur.com/jOJS1eR.png

you are probably right we were in full on dysfunction I thin that was when Karl made the the little Mexican girls comment ...

[Killakobe81]

everyone talks about shot selection but Kobe's girl selection (rape or not) is what did us in ...2004.

[LkrFan]

Oh look, da_suns_fan defending losers again. You gonna throw a parade for them too?

CN bolded Black, like a Spur Fan. Hmmm. :downspin:

[LkrFan]

So the Thunder deserve praise but the Spurs choked? You can't have it both ways.

Yes, the Spurs choked. I guess 55 > 67 :lol

[LkrFan]

Spurs fan bitterness is boiling over.

Their team loses to lower seeds all the time. You'd think they'd be use to it by now.

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

CN bolded Black, like a Spur Fan. Hmmm. :downspin:

http://i.imgur.com/c3JJyH7.jpg

[LkrFan]

http://i.imgur.com/c3JJyH7.jpg

:downspin: this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit Spur Nation!:lmao

[LkrFan]

Are you surprised? Lakerfans never own losses.

- Get swept by the Spurs in '99.

"Uh, uh, Kobe wasn't in his prime yet and we didn't have Phil!"

- Lose to the Spurs in '03

"Shaq and Kobe were feuding. Shaq was also overweight!"

- Blow 3-1 lead to the Suns

"They were the much better team anyway. No one even expected us to compete!"

- Lose '08 Finals, which involved blowing a 24 point second half lead on their home floor and culminated in a 40 point beatdown in the closeout game.

"We didn't have Bynum. Also, that Celtics team was obviously much better." (never mind the fact pretty much everyone had the Lakers winning that series. I mean, the Atlanta Hawks put up more of a fight than the Lakers against that team :lol)

But when the Lakers win, it's always against the other team's peak, like the '01 series, when we were shuffling out corpses on the perimeter. Or the pre-Manu '02 squad. We did choke against them in '04, though. Or that geriatric 50 win Boston team they beat in '10 to get "revenge."

Did you own 8 or 6? ;)

[baseline bum]

Spurs fan bitterness is boiling over.

Their team loses to lower seeds all the time. You'd think they'd be use to it by now.

You have no room. You lost to the lower seeded Spurs in 05 and 07.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

You have no room. You lost to the lower seeded Spurs in 05 and 07.


Don't muddle the 'truth' with useless facts bb.

[da_suns_fan]

You have no room. You lost to the lower seeded Spurs in 05 and 07.

I never lost to the Spurs.

The Spurs lose to lower seeds all the time though. As I said, they've been taught to OBEY for so long they dont know what to do when theyre backed into a corner. They dont fight, they roll over.

[baseline bum]

I never lost to the Spurs.

The Spurs lose to lower seeds all the time though. As I said, they've been taught to OBEY for so long they dont know what to do when theyre backed into a corner. They dont fight, they roll over.

You have no room. Your Nash rolled over twice to the lower seeded Spurs in 05 and 07.

[da_suns_fan]

Since 2000, the following teams have defeated the Spurs as a lower seed:

1) The Lakers (twice)
2) The Thunder (twice)
3) The Mavericks (twice)
4) The Grizzlies (an eight seed)
5) The Suns (although Duncan was injured...still, a loss is a loss).

Thats 8 times in 16 years.

To put that in perspective, Kobe and the Lakers lost to a lower seed twice in 14 years of making the playoffs.

The Thunder have lost to a lower seed once in six years of making the playoffs.

No one comes close to San Antonio when it comes to rolling over.

[da_suns_fan]

1 out of 3 teams in the Western Conference can say they've beaten Pop's Spurs as a lower seed.

Three teams can say they did it twice! :lol

[baseline bum]

Since 2000, the following teams have defeated the Spurs as a lower seed:

1) The Lakers (twice)
2) The Thunder (twice)
3) The Mavericks (twice)
4) The Grizzlies (an eight seed)
5) The Suns (although Duncan was injured...still, a loss is a loss).

Thats 8 times in 16 years.

To put that in perspective, Kobe and the Lakers lost to a lower seed twice in 14 years of making the playoffs.

The Thunder have lost to a lower seed once in six years of making the playoffs.

No one comes close to San Antonio when it comes to rolling over.

You have no room. Your Nash rolled over twice to the lower seeded Spurs in 05 and 07.

[da_suns_fan]

You have no room. Your Nash rolled over twice to the lower seeded Spurs in 05 and 07.

I dont care.

Spurs lose to lower seeds half the time. Its not an anomaly.

So the question is, why do the Spurs lose to inferior opponents so often?

[baseline bum]

I dont care.

Spurs lose to lower seeds half the time. Its not an anomaly.

So the question is, why do the Spurs lose to inferior opponents so often?

And yet your Suns couldn't beat them as the higher seed when you had stacked rosters.

[midnightpulp]

Gotdamn, have the Spurs traumatized DSF :lol

And :lol at counting the '00 victory when Duncan was injured.

Gonna throw a parade for that one, too?

[Sean Cagney]

People are defending OKC as in they didnt blow this series and their best shot at a title...

Cot damn fucking right.......
Gotdamn, have the Spurs traumatized DSF :lol

And :lol at counting the '00 victory when Duncan was injured.

Gonna throw a parade for that one, too?
Da Suns fan is going through PTSD over here from the 00's, he is like most Suns fans and their owner.

[Kawhitstorm]

Since their inaugural season in 1968, the Suns have won as many title as the following team
1) Pelicans
2) Clippers
....rest of the teams that have never made it out of the 2nd rd::lmao


FIFY

[Kawhitstorm]

So the question is, why do the Spurs lose to inferior opponents so often?

The question is why are the Suns the biggest postseason fodder in NBA history:


the Suns are the team with the highest winning percentage to have never won an NBA championship.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[bdictjames]

I actually agree with OP over here.

[140]

I actually agree with OP over here.

Of course you do. You're yet another piss pot chickenshit from upstairs. I spit on you.

[benefactor]

Hilarious thread, tbh.

[da_suns_fan]

And yet your Suns couldn't beat them as the higher seed when you had stacked rosters.

Who cares?

Why are the Spurs the kings of losing to lower seeds? No one else (Suns included) even comes close to their rate of failing against inferior opponents.

When you lose half the time to lower seeds, can it still be called an "upset"?

[da_suns_fan]

I actually agree with OP over here.

Careful...non bitter spurs fans arent appreciated much around here.

[baseline bum]

No one else (Suns included) even comes close to their rate of failing against inferior opponents.


I don't know son, that stat about highest winning percentage with no titles disagrees.

[Clipper Nation]

Who cares?
You seem to care a lot about the Spurs' failures. Surely you care even more about your own team's much longer list of failures?

[resistanze]

:lol Valiant attempt by OP at trolling. Played both sides (GSW and OKC) in order to talk shit. However, being a Suns fan makes this unsustainable.

[ambchang]

Who cares?

Why are the Spurs the kings of losing to lower seeds? No one else (Suns included) even comes close to their rate of failing against inferior opponents.

When you lose half the time to lower seeds, can it still be called an "upset"?

Because the other teams didn't play well enough to get a higher seed in the regular season. This is what happens to perennial 50-win teams.

You are penalizing the Spurs for doing well in the regular season, then losing in the playoffs, and rewarding teams for doing poorly in the regular season then losing in the playoffs.

[Poolboy5623]

I'm sure in 20 years, everyone will remember this OKC team, for ALMOST getting to the finals :bobo

[Sean Cagney]

I'm sure in 20 years, everyone will remember this OKC team, for ALMOST getting to the finals :bobo

You bet, they will say but they did beat the SPURS! That is the title now.

[da_suns_fan]

Because the other teams didn't play well enough to get a higher seed in the regular season. This is what happens to perennial 50-win teams.

You are penalizing the Spurs for doing well in the regular season, then losing in the playoffs, and rewarding teams for doing poorly in the regular season then losing in the playoffs.

No, I am penalizing them for losing a series in which they had home court advantage.

There are also plenty of seasons in which the Spurs lost when they didnt have HCA (twice to Lakers, Suns, Heat, Clippers etc). No dings there.

But losing to a lower seeded team is embarrassing and usually needs some sort of explanation. In the Spurs' case, it happens a lot.

Like I said, for every time Kobe has lost to a lower seed, Duncan has lost four. They had comparable number of playoff years and championships so Im not being unfair.

[ambchang]

No, I am penalizing them for losing a series in which they had home court advantage.

There are also plenty of seasons in which the Spurs lost when they didnt have HCA (twice to Lakers, Suns, Heat, Clippers etc). No dings there.

But losing to a lower seeded team is embarrassing and usually needs some sort of explanation. In the Spurs' case, it happens a lot.

Like I said, for every time Kobe has lost to a lower seed, Duncan has lost four. They had comparable number of playoff years and championships so Im not being unfair.

Your statistic is penalizing them for winning in the regular season. You pulling in Kobe losing twice in 14 years to a lower seed didn't take into account that the Lakers didn't have as many chances to so because he didn't even have homecourt for a number of seasons. Same with the Thunder.

Losing to a lower seeded team is embarrassing how? So any team that has the best regular season should always win the title or else that is an embarrassment? That certainly is not the case for a large proportion of champions in the past.

[Arcadian]

But losing to a lower seeded team is embarrassing and usually needs some sort of explanation.

Explanation: the western conference has been stacked with good teams, while the east has been shitty, for like 20 years now. Seeding is much more fine-grained in the west. Last year, one game separated the 2 and 6 seeds.

[Spurtacular]

Durant and Westbrook are so so good they almost won a title by themselves.

Yea, cos Spur Killer Ibaka didn't go NBA Jam on us; and Adams/Canter didn't kill us on the boards. And Roberson didn't reincarnate Barnes either.

Spurs actually contained Durant/Westbrook for that matter.

The problem is those two boneheads forgot how they won and choked versus the Warriors.

[da_suns_fan]

Explanation: the western conference has been stacked with good teams, while the east has been shitty, for like 20 years now. Seeding is much more fine-grained in the west. Last year, one game separated the 2 and 6 seeds.

But twelve games separated the Spurs and the Thunder and the Thunder still kicked their ass.

And this without James Harden.

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But twelve games separated the Spurs and the Thunder and the Thunder still kicked their ass.

And this without James Harden.

One bucket difference in game 2 and this goes back to OKC with SA up 2-0. You can call it an ass kicking all day long and continue your douchbaggery, but a bucket here or there and SA could have easily been up 3-1 coming back home.

I don't understand the loser mentality that makes one go on to an opposing teams fan site and talk shit, especially when that fan represents da-fuckibg-suns.

Grow the fuck up. Your team sucks. You suck.

[da_suns_fan]

One bucket difference in game 2 and this goes back to OKC with SA up 2-0. You can call it an ass kicking all day long and continue your douchbaggery, but a bucket here or there and SA could have easily been up 3-1 coming back home.

I don't understand the loser mentality that makes one go on to an opposing teams fan site and talk shit, especially when that fan represents da-fuckibg-suns.

Grow the fuck up. Your team sucks. You suck.

:lol

Except they rolled over in game 6. Im sure their asses still hurt.

[Arcadian]

But twelve games separated the Spurs and the Thunder and the Thunder still kicked their ass.

And this without James Harden.

That shows that RS records aren't good at predicting playoff success. We've known this.

[da_suns_fan]

That shows that RS records aren't good at predicting playoff success. We've known this.

Says who?

Kobe and the Lakers had comparable number of championships and playoff seasons and only lost to a lower seed twice.

Are you really claiming the Spurs lost to lower seeds because their opponents had deflated records from not caring about the regular season?

Did the Thunder "Mail in" the regular season? Should they have had 70 wins too? :lol

[ambchang]

Says who?

Kobe and the Lakers had comparable number of championships and playoff seasons and only lost to a lower seed twice.

Are you really claiming the Spurs lost to lower seeds because their opponents had deflated records from not caring about the regular season?

Did the Thunder "Mail in" the regular season? Should they have had 70 wins too? :lol

Because the Lakers didn't routinely win 50+ games and overachieve in their regular season.

Your basic assumption is that the regular season record is a true indication of the strength of the team, while the playoffs results reflect how well a team performs based on that indication.

This may or may not be true.

Another way to look at it is that the playoffs is the true indication of the strength of a team, and the regular season has no bearing on it.

2001 Lakers were the perfect example. We all knew it was the strongest team in the league going into the season, but then Shaq coasted and they got a good, but not stellar record. They then proceed to win the championship in historical fashion.

Some teams are better built for the playoffs than others.

[DMC]

Says who?

Kobe and the Lakers had comparable number of championships and playoff seasons and only lost to a lower seed twice.

Are you really claiming the Spurs lost to lower seeds because their opponents had deflated records from not caring about the regular season?

Did the Thunder "Mail in" the regular season? Should they have had 70 wins too? :lol

I recall the Suns having the best RS record in 2005. How did that go?

[DMC]

Because the Lakers didn't routinely win 50+ games and overachieve in their regular season.

Your basic assumption is that the regular season record is a true indication of the strength of the team, while the playoffs results reflect how well a team performs based on that indication.

This may or may not be true.

Another way to look at it is that the playoffs is the true indication of the strength of a team, and the regular season has no bearing on it.

2001 Lakers were the perfect example. We all knew it was the strongest team in the league going into the season, but then Shaq coasted and they got a good, but not stellar record. They then proceed to win the championship in historical fashion.

Some teams are better built for the playoffs than others.
The playoffs is a different game basically. B2B nights don't happen, so you don't need young legs. You don't need a deep bench in the playoffs. You have to be able to adjust your game in the playoffs. In the RS you have a game model and you hit a team in the mouth from the start and they fold. In the playoffs, you hit them in with that same look in game 1 as the Spurs did to the Thunder, they adjust for game 2. Never happens in the RS. If the RS was grouped in series instead of random games against this or that team, the best record at the end would be a stronger indication of the eventual champion.

Teams that have the ability to go deep in the playoffs don't usually need to have the best seeding because they can beat whomever is put in front of them. Then you have the juggernaut sometimes who gets the best RS record because their game model cannot be cracked easily, and they carry that into the playoffs. You see the dent now and then like the Thunder made in GS but eventually the juggernaut team breaks the hold and moves on. The Spurs have never been a juggernaut team. They've played well in the RS because they are well coached and they have players who fit the system. Other teams just improvise most of the time and its obvious. Once the playoffs start other teams find a system that works for a while, or the Spurs change their approach because Pop wants play Bobby Fischer and micromanages the game into absurdity.

[da_suns_fan]

Because the Lakers didn't routinely win 50+ games and overachieve in their regular season.

Your basic assumption is that the regular season record is a true indication of the strength of the team, while the playoffs results reflect how well a team performs based on that indication.

This may or may not be true.

Another way to look at it is that the playoffs is the true indication of the strength of a team, and the regular season has no bearing on it.

2001 Lakers were the perfect example. We all knew it was the strongest team in the league going into the season, but then Shaq coasted and they got a good, but not stellar record. They then proceed to win the championship in historical fashion.

Some teams are better built for the playoffs than others.

Thats cherry picking one loss.

What about both respective Thunder teams. And both respective Mavs teams. The 2004 Lakers werent coasting with Malone and Payton.

What about losing to Grizz at an eighth seed in 2011. Were the Gizz also "coasting"? :lol

[ambchang]

Thats cherry picking one loss.

What about both respective Thunder teams. And both respective Mavs teams. The 2004 Lakers werent coasting with Malone and Payton.

What about losing to Grizz at an eighth seed in 2011. Were the Gizz also "coasting"? :lol

They matched up with the Spurs better, and were clearly the better team in the series. Injuries happened.

You seem to act like Ginobili with a broken arm isn't an issue. It was, and was clearly an issue against a team with the second best record after the all-star break.

Thunder and Mavs match up perfectly with the Spurs, just like how the Spurs match up well with the Suns.

2004 Lakers had Shaq out 15 games that season, and the lakers were 7-8 in those games. Take those off and they are a 60-win team.

[midnightpulp]

I know DSF is trolling, but it's not fuckin' rocket science why the Spurs lost a few playoff series as a higher seed.

2000: Tim Duncan was injured

2001: Spurs were the higher seed in the Lakers series, but everyone on the fuckin' planet knew the Lakers were winning that series, since they were a historically great team. Furthermore, the Spurs lost Derek Anderson, who was their best perimeter player that season. Not that it would've made a difference, but that killed any hope.

2004: This was a chokejob. Spurs should've won that series.

2006: The Spurs and Mavs had identical records. Neither team really had a significant advantage over the other, and given the Spurs and Mavs rivalry during that period, home court meant little.

2009: Manu Ginobili missed the playoffs. Our best wing was a 40 year old Michael Finley.

2011: Not really that good of a team. Undersized and shitty defensively.

2012: Should've won. I'll own this as a choke.

2016: OKC lost a lot of close 4th quarters this season. They probably should've won a comparable amount of games as the Spurs. They also should've beaten the "Greatest Team of All Time" if they didn't choke themselves.

So, let's count it: In the Spurs total history, they've lost 15 playoff series in which they were the higher seed since the merger. The Suns have lost 9.

But the Suns have played in only 26 playoff series in which they were the higher seed. Their record?

17-9

The Spurs have played in 52 series. Their record?

37-15 + 5 titles. The Suns also have the distinction of being one of the few teams to lose the championship with home court :lol

Relative winning percentages:

Suns: 64%

Spurs: 71%

So yeah, more clutch as the higher seed than the shitty Suns, per par :hat

[midnightpulp]

And let's put the final nail in DSF's coffin, Duncan-from-3 style.

Tim Duncan's record vs. the Suns in the playoffs:

5-1 :wow

[LkrFan]

Since 2000, the following teams have defeated the Spurs as a lower seed:

1) The Lakers (twice)
2) The Thunder (twice)
3) The Mavericks (twice)
4) The Grizzlies (an eight seed)
5) The Suns (although Duncan was injured...still, a loss is a loss).

Thats 8 times in 16 years.

To put that in perspective, Kobe and the Lakers lost to a lower seed twice in 14 years of making the playoffs.

The Thunder have lost to a lower seed once in six years of making the playoffs.

No one comes close to San Antonio when it comes to rolling over.

Oh snap! midnightpulp :downspin: this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! :lmao

[da_suns_fan]

2006: The Spurs and Mavs had identical records. Neither team really had a significant advantage over the other, and given the Spurs and Mavs rivalry during that period, home court meant little.


No they didnt.

Did you go to the monos school of making up your own facts? :lol

[midnightpulp]

No they didnt.

Did you go to the monos school of making up your own facts? :lol

I stand corrected on that point, but they were still a damn good team and should've been the champ that year. Also, it makes no sense to put that series loss on Duncan when that was one of the best series of his career.

And :lol you cherry picking that inconsequential point and ignoring everything else, since it was proven the Spurs win more as the higher seeded team than your shitty ass Suns.

[midnightpulp]

Who cares?

Why are the Spurs the kings of losing to lower seeds? No one else (Suns included) even comes close to their rate of failing against inferior opponents.

When you lose half the time to lower seeds, can it still be called an "upset"?

I missed this post.

To put the final-final nail in the coffin of your latest Spurs preoccupation, the record-as-higher-seed stands at:

Suns: 17-9, a 64 win pct.

Spurs: 37-15, a 71 win pct.

Looks like your historical joke of a franchise is the "King" here, until proven otherwise.

[da_suns_fan]

I missed this post.

To put the final-final nail in the coffin of your latest Spurs preoccupation, the record-as-higher-seed stands at:

Suns: 17-9, a 64 win pct.

Spurs: 37-15, a 71 win pct.

Looks like your historical joke of a franchise is the "King" here, until proven otherwise.

17-9 isnt correct either. Where are you getting this stuff? I didnt even bother fact checking your Spurs claim since your last two posts had completely false information. Congratulations, you are the new monos.

Likewise, why are you combining franchise records? Im talking about the Duncan/Pop teams rolling over. They lost 8 playoffs series in 16 years to lower seeded teams.

That means that Pop/Duncan have just as many losses in 16 years that the Suns have as a franchise in 50.

Try again, Pulp.

[da_suns_fan]

I stand corrected on that point.

Glad I could correct you. Both times.

So basically Duncan and Spurs dont have any excuse for 7 of said 8 losses to lower seeded teams.

And these arent "best of three" losses like youre pulling from the Suns history (yes...the NBA used to have a best of 3 series). Theres even a couple best of five the Suns lost.

But the Spurs have seven best of seven losses to lower seeded teams during Duncan/Pop era. I can pretty much guarantee thats got to be the record.

[midnightpulp]

17-9 isnt correct either. Where are you getting this stuff? I didnt even bother fact checking your Spurs claim since your last two posts had completely false information. Congratulations, you are the new monos.

Likewise, why are you combining franchise records? Im talking about the Duncan/Pop teams rolling over. They lost 8 playoffs series in 16 years to lower seeded teams.

That means that Pop/Duncan have just as many losses in 16 years that the Suns have as a franchise in 50.

Try again, Pulp.

Yes it is.

"Where am I getting this stuff?"

Do you think BBREF is some secret fountain of knowledge or something?

It's real easy to tally up the record that even someone like you can do it. Here's how:

1. Go to http://www.basketball-reference.com/

2. Click on teams, and then click on the team in question.

3. Click Franchise encyclopedia.

4. Click on the team name for a given season (in this case, 1977).

5. You should see the team's playoff results for that year.

6. Click on them and find out who was the higher seed.

7. Add up all the playoff series victories and losses the team had as the higher seed.

Example:

In 2005, the Spurs had a 3-0 record in the playoffs as the higher seed.

Again, final records for both franchises:

17-9 vs. 37-15. :hat

I hope this helps, King (of losing to lower seeds) DSF :toast

[da_suns_fan]

Yes it is.

"Where am I getting this stuff?"

Do you think BBREF is some secret fountain of knowledge or something?

It's real easy to tally up the record that even someone like you can do it. Here's how:

1. Go to http://www.basketball-reference.com/

2. Click on teams, and then click on the team in question.

3. Click Franchise encyclopedia.

4. Click on the team name for a given season (in this case, 1977).

5. You should see the team's playoff results for that year.

6. Click on them and find out who was the higher seed.

7. Add up all the playoff series victories and losses the team had as the higher seed.

Example:

In 2005, the Spurs had a 3-0 record in the playoffs as the higher seed.

Again, final records for both franchises:

17-9 vs. 37-15. :hat

I hope this helps, King (of losing to lower seeds) DSF :toast

:lol

I seriously, seriously hope you didnt do all that work just to be proved that youre wrong. Theres a MUCH SIMPLER way:

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Phoenix-Suns/23/Playoff-History

As I said, I didnt even fact check the Spurs record since you were wrong twice in a row. Glad you wasted so much time though. :lol

[da_suns_fan]

I hereby dub Midnightpulp "Monos-Pulp" for making up his own facts.

[midnightpulp]

Okay, and let's just focus on the Duncan-era:

The Spurs have a 28-7 series record as the higher seed when Duncan plays.

Since '98, the Suns are 7-3 (all 3 losses as the higher seed to the Spurs :lmao)

Relative winning percentages:

Duncan: .800

Suns: .700

It's cute how you selectively focused on only losses to make Duncan's winning percentage as the higher seed look worse than it actually is. You employed further "cuteness" when you framed it as "they lost 8 playoff series in 16 years as the number 1 seed," making it seem like their record is 50 percent. Yeah, you forgot to count up the wins. But I know why you didn't since .800 is a phenomenal winning percentage in every respect.

Let's take a look at Shaq's higher seed record.

24-5, an .828 winning percentage.

So Duncan is in the same relative range as another top 10 all-time great.

Want to keep spinning and digging? Or will you finally admit defeat and admit how retarded selective and intellectually dishonest your cherry picking was?

[midnightpulp]

I hereby dub Midnightpulp "Monos-Pulp" for making up his own facts.

Yeah, deflect with one-liners because you got fuckin' "trounced" in this debate.

Feel free to verify. It's takes 5 fuckin' minutes.

[midnightpulp]

:lol

I seriously, seriously hope you didnt do all that work just to be proved that youre wrong. Theres a MUCH SIMPLER way:

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Phoenix-Suns/23/Playoff-History

As I said, I didnt even fact check the Spurs record since you were wrong twice in a row. Glad you wasted so much time though. :lol

I agree that is a better way, so now you have no excuse for being so wrong.

[da_suns_fan]

1979 BLAZERS KINGS
1980 KINGS
1989 NUGGETS GOLDEN STATE
1992 SPURS
1993 LAKERS SPURS SONICS
1994 WARRIORS
1995 BLAZERS
2005 GIZZLIES MAVERICKS
2006 LAKERS CLIPPERS
2007 LAKERS
2010 BLAZERS SPURS


Theres 18. I didnt bother counting the losses cuz I just assumed you were wrong there as well. And you can go season by season thru the Spurs if you want...i think i proved my point monos-pulp. :lol

[140]

This is da's finest hour

[da_suns_fan]

How many facts can monos-pulp get wrong on one page of a single thread? :lol

[midnightpulp]

Theres 18. I didnt bother counting the losses cuz I just assumed you were wrong there as well. And you can go season by season thru the Spurs if you want...i think i proved my point monos-pulp. :lol

Yeah, you didn't count up losses because you would've counted up 9 :lol

Bringing your win pct up to .667!

Still behind the Spurs :hat

BRB, recounting your losses.

[da_suns_fan]

Yeah, you didn't count up losses because you would've counted up 9 :lol

Bringing your win pct up to .667!

Still behind the Spurs :hat

BRB, recounting your losses.

You just dont learn, do you monospulp?

I think you owe me an apology.

Or maybe a thank you! You went through every season on bball-ref for both Spurs and Suns and you got it fucking wrong! :lol

[midnightpulp]

1978: Lost to the Bucks.

1981: Lost to the Kings.

1983: Lost to the Nuggets

1991: Lost to the Jazz

1993: Lost to the Bulls

1995: Lost to the Rockets

I count 6 there.

Plus your 3 losses to us as the lower seed makes 9.

.667. Still the king, baby :king

[midnightpulp]

You just dont learn, do you monospulp?

I think you owe me an apology.

Or maybe a thank you! You went through every season on bball-ref for both Spurs and Suns and you got it fucking wrong! :lol

Learn what?

Count it till the end of time. It's always gonna come up 9.

It's funny how you're overstating insignificant oversights (if the oversight doesn't wind up helping your argument, then it's not even worth mentioning) on my part so you can give yourself some type of moral victory, which is of course per par for Suns fans, since your whole history is celebrating meaningless moral victories (throwing a parade for 2nd place :lmao).

[da_suns_fan]

1978: Lost to the Bucks.

1981: Lost to the Kings.

1983: Lost to the Nuggets

1991: Lost to the Jazz

1993: Lost to the Bulls

1995: Lost to the Rockets

I count 6 there.

Plus your 3 losses to us as the lower seed makes 9.

.667. Still the king, baby :king

Ok, that looks right (finally).

So the Suns lost 9 times in 29 playoff seasons to lower seeds yet Duncan/Pop lost 8 out of 16 from 2000-2106. Thats not a typo.

And lets not forget ALL of these are best of seven (and even includes a loss to an eight seed).

Hence why these Spurs are the kings of rolling over. And monos-pulp is the king of embarrassing himself by getting his facts wrong.

You need to slow down bro. Youre starting to meltdown now cuz you fucked up.

[midnightpulp]

End of the day:

.667 :king

.712

And...

Duncan's winning pct as the higher seed: .800

The Phoenix Suns': .667

:hat

[midnightpulp]

Ok, that looks right (finally).

So the Suns lost 9 times in 29 playoff seasons to lower seeds yet Duncan/Pop lost 8 out of 16 from 2000-2106. Thats not a typo.

And lets not forget ALL of these are best of seven (and even includes a loss to an eight seed).

Hence why these Spurs are the kings of rolling over. And monos-pulp is the king of embarrassing himself by getting his facts wrong.

You need to slow down bro. Youre starting to meltdown now cuz you fucked up.

Still spinning.

It's more like Duncan and Pop won 28 playoff series as the higher seed in 19 seasons, while the Suns won 18 playoffs series as the higher seed over their entire futile history :lmao

[da_suns_fan]

Still spinning.

It's more like Duncan and Pop won 28 playoff series as the higher seed in 19 seasons, while the Suns won 18 playoffs series as the higher seed over their entire futile history :lmao

Im not spinning anything...youre comparing Duncan/Pop's string of losses to the Suns' respective losses from the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s combined (and you even did that wrong). Who gives a shit?

As I said, the Lakers had comparable number of playoff years etc this century and they lost to a lower seed twice.

Theres no getting around it. Pop/Duncan lost to inferior teams half the time and no one else even comes close.

So the question is, why do the Spurs roll over?

[midnightpulp]

Im not spinning anything...youre comparing Duncan/Pop's string of losses to the Suns' respective losses from the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s combined (and you even did that wrong). Who gives a shit?

As I said, the Lakers had comparable number of playoff years etc this century and they lost to a lower seed twice.

Theres no getting around it. Pop/Duncan lost to inferior teams half the time and no one else even comes close.

So the question is, why do the Spurs roll over?

Are you really this stupid? Do you think only one series is played every time the Spurs get a high seed?

You are still only citing series losses and purposely neglecting all the series the Spurs won as the higher seed. The record in the Duncan/Pop era is 28-8. That isn't losing "half the time."

The Suns record over that time is 7-3 :lmao

So why is it that you roll over?

Also, I have to go back to the dark ages in order to come up with a decent sample size for your shit team, since you rarely get a high seed. The Suns are basically eternal 5th seeders.

And the one time you have the highest overall seed, you lose in the Finals :lmao

[da_suns_fan]

Are you really this stupid? Do you think only one series is played every time the Spurs get a high seed?

You are still only citing series losses and purposely neglecting all the series the Spurs won as the higher seed. The record in the Duncan/Pop era is 28-8. That isn't losing "half the time."

The Suns record over that time is 7-3 :lmao

So why is it that you roll over?

Also, I have to back to the dark ages in order to come up with a decent sample size for your shit team, since you rarely get a high seed. The Suns are basically eternal 5th seeders.

And the one time who have the highest overall seed, you lose in the Finals :lmao

Thats not correct either. So to sum up:

A) Thats three times on one page you fucked up (your meltdown is complete).

B) I dont care if the Suns have a futile record and have never won a championship. I dont play for the Suns. It doesnt bother me.

C) You still havent explained why the Spurs lost every other year to lower seeds for 16 seasons and no one else did. In fact, no one else comes close.

At least monos-pulp shows more grit than the Spurs. But I cant give him any credit for making up his own facts (or maybe just fucking up....cant tell at this point).

[da_suns_fan]

monospulp..i want you to try again tomorrow.

And this time I want you to take a DEEP BREATH before you post.

Slow down.

You keep screwing up because youre so defensive. Its okay to admit that the Spurs fold when their backs are against the wall. It is what it is.

[midnightpulp]

Duncan/Pop

.778

Barkley/KJ

.727

Framing it in the retarded DSF way, I have to ask:

"Why did Barkley and KJ lose 3 times as the higher seed over 5 playoff seasons (1990-91-94-95)? Why were they kings of rolling over?"

[midnightpulp]

Thats not correct either. So to sum up:

A) Thats three times on one page you fucked up (your meltdown is complete).

B) I dont care if the Suns have a futile record and have never won a championship. I dont play for the Suns. It doesnt bother me.

C) You still havent explained why the Spurs lost every other year to lower seeds for 16 seasons and no one else did. In fact, no one else comes close.

At least monos-pulp shows more grit than the Spurs. But I cant give him any credit for making up his own facts (or maybe just fucking up....cant tell at this point).

Oh yeah, I forgot the time you lost to us as the number one overall seed :lmao

[da_suns_fan]

Duncan/Pop

.778

Barkley/KJ

.727

Framing it in the retarded DSF way, I have to ask:

"Why did Barkley and KJ lose 3 times as the higher seed over 5 playoff seasons (1990-91-94-95)? Why were they kings of rolling over?"

Bro..thats four times on one page.

They didnt lose as a higher seed in 1994 or 1990.

For the love of god, slow down.

[midnightpulp]

monospulp..i want you to try again tomorrow.

And this time I want you to take a DEEP BREATH before you post.

Slow down.

You keep screwing up because youre so defensive. Its okay to admit that the Spurs fold when their backs are against the wall. It is what it is.

Calling you stupid doesn't mean I'm defensive, it's just means that I think you're stupid, which you are.

You can try me whenever, because whatever criticism you have here against the Spurs and whatever way you frame the argument, I can easily show the Suns are worse in that respect.

Fine, you want to cherry pick timelines (in your case, you're cherry picking 00-16). In 4 playoff seasons, Nash/Mike D lost twice as the higher seed (to the Spurs).

So why are you the king of rolling over to the Spurs?

[da_suns_fan]

Calling you stupid doesn't mean I'm defensive, it's just means that I think you're stupid, which you are.

You can try me whenever, because whatever criticism you have here against the Spurs and whatever way you frame the argument, I can easily show the Suns are worse in that respect.

Fine, you want to cherry pick timelines (in your case, you're cherry picking 00-16). In 4 playoff seasons, Nash/Mike D lost twice as the higher seed (to the Spurs).

So why are you the king of rolling over to the Spurs?

I never played the Spurs. But I am the king of pointing out your fuck-ups. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Bro..thats four times on one page.

They didnt lose as a higher seed in 1994 or 1990.

For the love of god, slow down.

Are you this retarded? Do you know how NBA seasons are usually dated?

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2n0uebs.jpg

It really is like conversing with a child.

[midnightpulp]

I never played the Spurs. But I am the king of pointing out your fuck-ups. :lol

Yeah, adding a Suns series win and pointing the Mavericks record really helped your argument :tu

:lol Adding the win still put the Suns below their daddy the Spurs.

.712>.667 :hat

[da_suns_fan]

Are you this retarded? Do you know how NBA seasons are usually dated?

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2n0uebs.jpg

It really is like conversing with a child.

I havent seen a melt-down this bad in a long time. You have yourself to blame though:




"Why did Barkley and KJ lose 3 times as the higher seed over 5 playoff seasons (1990-91-94-95)? Why were they kings of rolling over?"


Your posts are a mess because youre so defensive and youre basically just having a temper tantrum. As I've told you a dozen times, you need to slow down. If you were were referencing three seasons, what does "90-91-94-95" mean? I assume you mean 91 and 95 and forgot 93 because you fucked up (how many times is that now).

I dont even know what to say at this point.

[midnightpulp]

I havent seen a melt-down this bad in a long time. You have yourself to blame though:




Your posts are a mess because youre so defensive and youre basically just having a temper tantrum. As I've told you a dozen times, you need to slow down. If you were were referencing three seasons, what does "90-91-94-95" mean? I assume you mean 91 and 95 and forgot 93 because you fucked up (how many times is that now).

I dont even know what to say at this point.

:lol Getting destroyed so he's deflecting with the "y-y-you're melting down :cry" tactic

Did you pass 5th grade grammar? When you want to write out a timespan of say 10 years, you do it like this:

1991-2000

The dash means "to" or "through."

If I wanted to reference the years individually, I would separate them by a comma.

1990, 2000.

Yeah, I don't know what to say at this point other than you are indeed an idiot.

[midnightpulp]

I can imagine DSF going board game shopping one day for his kids.

"Oh, we can't buy that one. It says ages 3-10. You're only 8, kiddo."

[Stalin]

:corn:

[da_suns_fan]

:lol Getting destroyed so he's deflecting with the "y-y-you're melting down :cry" tactic

Did you pass 5th grade grammar? When you want to write out a timespan of say 10 years, you do it like this:

1991-2000

The dash means "to" or "through."

If I wanted to reference the years individually, I would separate them by a comma.

1990, 2000.

Yeah, I don't know what to say at this point other than you are indeed an idiot.

So what does "90-91-94-95" mean? How is that three seasons?

You fucked up again, bro.

[da_suns_fan]

I can imagine DSF going board game shopping one day for his kids.

"Oh, we can't buy that one. It says ages 3-10. You're only 8, kiddo."

It will say ages 3-10, not 3-4-9-10.

Your meltdown is complete. Hope you didnt smash anything.

[midnightpulp]

So what does "90-91-94-95" mean? How is that three seasons?

You fucked up again, bro.

Where are you getting this 3 seasons shit? I was referencing 5 seasons.

Writing it out, it would look like this:

"From the 1990-1991 season to the the 1994-1995 season, the shitty fucking Suns lost 3 times as the higher seed."

Just take the loss. In the NBA, there is no such thing as a "1990 season" or a "2000 season"*(see below, idiot) since the NBA season continues through the new year. You're either massively retarded or just looking for stupid shit to "burn" me on because you got obliterated in this argument.

I'm betting on the former, so from now on, I will make sure to talk to you as if I'm talking to a child.

*http://nba.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productImages%2F_2151000%2Fff_2151811_xl.jpg&w=400

[midnightpulp]

It will say ages 3-10, not 3-4-9-10.

Your meltdown is complete. Hope you didnt smash anything.

That would still be technically ages 3 through 10 since dashes were used.

You lose again, just like the Suns do as the higher seed (.667) :lol

[Clipper Nation]

DaSunsFag getting humiliated like Barkley in the playoffs :wow

[da_suns_fan]

"Why did Barkley and KJ lose 3 times as the higher seed over 5 playoff seasons (1990-91-94-95)? Why were they kings of rolling over?"


Where are you getting this 3 seasons shit? I was referencing 5 seasons.



This is what people mean when they say "self-ownage".

I dont have to do anything.

[midnightpulp]

This is what people mean when they say "self-ownage".

I dont have to do anything.


"Why did Barkley and KJ lose 3 times as the higher seed over 5 playoff seasons (1990-91-94-95)? Why were they kings of rolling over?"

But yeah, it's best you slink away from this thread. You've embarrassed yourself enough.