The Inevitable 2-5 in the finals record

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

:lmao :rollin

[TheGoldStandard]

They'll probably be there again next year too.. That Eastern Conference is a huge joke.

[SAGirl]

Just shows that D-Wade was the top dog all along in Miami. He was the mentally strong dude.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

They'll probably be there again next year too.. That Eastern Conference is a huge joke.
It's pathetic

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Kobe and Duncan are better than Lebron, lol Lebron gonna retire with 2 rings, and Ray Allen dragged him kicking and screaming to one of them

[Thread]

Kobe and Duncan are better than Lebron, lol Lebron gonna retire with 2 rings, and Ray Allen dragged him kicking and screaming to one of them

Amy Duncan helped drag him as well.

[Thebesteva]

Premature thread my nig...premature

[keeferob25]

The "King" is royally fucked (pun intended) if he loses...especially in a sweep. Anybody who doesn't suck off Lebron cringes when he is lauded for all of these finals appearances. Lebron has already lost what helped him in the pre-Miami part of his career, and that's the accurate narrative that he carried not great teams to relatively great heights. But he went and stacked the deck in Miami to ensure he isn't remembered as a Karl Malone or Barkley and now he's done it again in Cleveland. Stacking the deck in a garbage conference looks so weak. Losing 5 out of 7 trips validates the now apparent narrative that he's just the best of a garbage bunch (conference) but whenever he faces the representative of the REAL conference he gets popped in the mouth. I know a lot the Lakers fans joke about '13 but reality is Miami was GIFTED that ring as well...Spurs were better even in THAT series. So in 7 trips, he can claim to have been unequivocally "better" than ONE team...ONE!!!

[Thread]

The "King" is royally fucked (pun intended) if he loses...especially in a sweep. Anybody who doesn't suck off Lebron cringes when he is lauded for all of these finals appearances. Lebron has already lost what helped him in the pre-Miami part of his career, and that's the accurate narrative that he carried not great teams to relatively great heights. But he went and stacked the deck in Miami to ensure he isn't remembered as a Karl Malone or Barkley and now he's done it again in Cleveland. Stacking the deck in a garbage conference looks so weak. Losing 5 out of 7 trips validates the now apparent narrative that he's just the best of a garbage bunch (conference) but whenever he faces the representative of the REAL conference he gets popped in the mouth. I know a lot the Lakers fans joke about '13 but reality is Miami was GIFTED that ring as well...Spurs were better even in THAT series. So in 7 trips, he can claim to have been unequivocally "better" than ONE team...ONE!!!

Only in (our) eyes. Media/Silver will cover for James. They won't let him go to slaughter.

[keeferob25]

Only in (our) eyes. Media/Silver will cover for James. They won't let him go to slaughter.

Unfortunately you are 100% correct!

[baseline bum]

They'll probably be there again next year too.. That Eastern Conference is a huge joke.

Yeah, unless Durant goes to Boston he'll be 2-6 next June.

[davethedope]

So in 7 trips, he can claim to have been unequivocally "better" than ONE team...ONE!!!

That's an *ring btw

[Capt Bringdown]

Should have been 1 - 6 if not for the Spurs giveaway.
That moment in which the Spurs inexplicably melted was the biggest moment in LBJ's career.
The champagne was on ice, ffs.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, that Lebron guy is terrible.

[Thread]

Should have been 1 - 6 if not for the Spurs giveaway.
That moment in which the Spurs inexplicably melted was the biggest moment in LBJ's career.
The champagne was on ice, ffs.

...they were selling your shit.

[InRareForm]

:lmao :rollin

no one talks about it with jerry west tbh..

[keeferob25]

no one talks about it with jerry west tbh..

To be fair, West has never ONCE in his entire career/post career been remotely considered in the conversation for GOAT...THAT'S the standard Lebron is held to because the media has hyped him on that level for the better part of 13 years now.

[TDMVPDPOY]

on the biggest stage, yet clown is deferring to scrubs to bail him out?

[Chillen]

The Cavs are only down 1 game, remember the first game round 2 Spurs/Thunder, I thought that series was over with after that blowout. Cavs probably get swept or lose in 5 to Warriors, but if they show up and win game 2 it changes the series and gives them a chance. They have enough talent to beat the Warriors, having Blatt there would have helped, I think Kerr is gonna take Lue to school.

[Gervin44Silas13]

not one not 2 not three not four not 5 not six not seven.....


Lebron is a Joke...... that fucker should be 1-5 in the Finals......#thankyoupopfornotleavingduncan

[LkrFan]

no one talks about it with jerry west tbh..

You mean the guy who's silhouette is on the Spurs uniform? Different era. Those Boston teams were loaded. There was no such thing as Free Agency either. So if you were on a mediocre or bad team, you were stuck. If you were on a stacked team, well you can run off 8 straight. It's not rocket science son.

LeHype is the GM. He hand picks his teams. He even stayed east of the Mississippi River to moonwalk to the Finals every year. Still, he's 2-4. He bet not lose these Finals or I won't take any of you farmers seriously when y'all semen shield for him ever again.

[LkrFan]

Dan LeBetard on air comparing him to Wilt. LeWilt James :lmao

[LkrFan]

not one not 2 not three not four not 5 not six not seven.....


Lebron is a Joke...... that fucker should be 1-5 in the Finals......#thankyoupopfornotleavingduncan

Technically, 0-6. Who saw Battier going bonkers in 2012? He probably wasn't on the scouting report. :lol

[LkrFan]

The Cavs are only down 1 game, remember the first game round 2 Spurs/Thunder, I thought that series was over with after that blowout. Cavs probably get swept or lose in 5 to Warriors, but if they show up and win game 2 it changes the series and gives them a chance. They have enough talent to beat the Warriors, having Blatt there would have helped, I think Kerr is gonna take Lue to school.

It's an even year. Bad comparison. ;)

In even years:

Spurs are
PATHETIC
After
March

:lmao

[Thread]

The Cavs are only down 1 game, remember the first game round 2 Spurs/Thunder, I thought that series was over with after that blowout. Cavs probably get swept or lose in 5 to Warriors, but if they show up and win game 2 it changes the series and gives them a chance. They have enough talent to beat the Warriors, having Blatt there would have helped, I think Kerr is gonna take Lue to school.

After James it's a collection of pedestrian talent.

[Fabbs]

Just shows that D-Wade was the top dog all along in Miami. He was the mentally strong dude.
Yeah his leading the Heat since before and after LeBron left is really impressive.

[RD2191]

NBA needs to do away with conferences. The East is a fukin joke. It's pathetic to have such a shit team in the finals.

[RD2191]

You know the east sucks when 3 stars had to join each other just to win a couple of rings. Better yet contract about 6 teams and shorten the season to 62-64 games.

[Thread]

NBA needs to do away with conferences. The East is a fukin joke. It's pathetic to have such a shit team in the finals.

They do indeed look rag tag.

[Ghazi]

Cavs were the 4th best team in thr NBA this year

[Budkin]

...they were selling your shit.

Cub I want a t-shirt with that phrase on it! :lol

[nevitt_&_smrek]

Who is going to sell the Lebron Reverse 3-peat shirts?

[Fabbs]

Given the exact same rosters and injuries, what other NBA player would have done better then LeBron?

[140]

It's an even year. Bad comparison. ;)

In even years:

Spurs are
PATHETIC
After
March

:lmao

Good to know 14 is not considered an even number south of Rio Grande, Carlos Miguel

[DMC]

He only counts silver globes.

[DMC]

Good to know 14 is not considered an even number south of Rio Grande, Carlos Miguel
Not only an even number but the last even number prior to this season.

Today's wetbacks

[LkrFan]

Good to know 14 is not considered an even number south of Rio Grande, Carlos Miguel

:lol

[LkrFan]

Not only an even number but the last even number prior to this season.

Today's wetbacks

:lmao

[Raven]

Should have been 1 - 6 if not for the Spurs giveaway.
That moment in which the Spurs inexplicably melted was the biggest moment in LBJ's career.
The champagne was on ice, ffs.

clearly you were not watching those finals...

[Russo21]

Is this LeBron's 7th finals already? Bloody hell!

[noles1983]

Is this LeBron's 7th finals already? Bloody hell!

Such a joke that fuck has the easiest path to the finals every year. But it it funny watching him get owned by the west. Overrated fuck.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol can't believe OP is still showing up after prematurely celebrating OKC's win, last series..always wrong, makes it look so easy, tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

Lebron is 1-1 as a favorite in the Finals, which is the only record that matters, logically..the Mavs series will be the black eye on his career, of course..

There's no shame in losing to the greatest team in NBA history, though, which will be the case..Warriors are way too overwhelming for anybody..

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Lebron is 1-1 as a favorite in the Finals, which is the only record that matters, logically..the Mavs series will be the black eye on his career, of course..

There's no shame in losing to the greatest team in NBA history, though, which will be the case..Warriors are way too overwhelming for anybody..
:lmao no faggot that isn't the only record that matters. 2-5. That means a team should not be built around him you moron.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao no faggot that isn't the only record that matters. 2-5. That means a team should not be built around him you moron.

Ya, it would be better if he had lost in the 1st round instead:lol..

Remember when you celebrated ISO ball and the Thunder winning last series? :lmao the most analytically-driven and team-ball oriented squad in the league becoming the best team the NBA has ever seen..

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Ya, it would be better if he had lost in the 1st round instead:lol..

Remember when you celebrated ISO ball and the Thunder winning last series? :lmao the most analytically-driven and team-ball oriented squad in the league becoming the best team the NBA has ever seen..
There is ZERO competition in the East. It just makes him look even a bigger loser. Are you retarded or something? The warriors needed hero ball (ISO ball) from Thompson to even extend the series. :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Ghazi]

Lebron is actually 2-1 as the favorite in the Finals... they were not underdogs against the Spurs in 2013. That was their 66 win team

[JohnnyMax]

ESPN still copping pleas for lebrun.



LeBron's 2-4 Finals record is one of his greatest achievements (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/15882307/what-lebron-james-losing-nba-finals-record-really-means-nba)


Tom Haberstroh
ESPN Staff Writer


Does Michael Jordan's legacy need help? Apparently so, if we look how eager folks are to shred LeBron James for playing on the losing side in four NBA Finals.

James has been nothing short of incredible in these playoffs, reaching the NBA Finals yet again after dispatching the Toronto Raptors.

Consider this fact: James just put up a 34.5 player efficiency rating in the conference finals while no one else surpassed the 26.0 mark over the same period. Not Steph. Not Klay. Not KD. Not Russ.

Furthermore, James is dunking twice as often as he did last postseason. And the Cavs' offense has been virtually unstoppable, scoring a sizzling 116.2 points per 100 possessions in the playoffs.

However, over the next couple of weeks, there's a good chance you'll see some version of the following Finals note plastered in big-fonted memes:

James is just 2-4 for his career in the NBA Finals. What a bum! More like Le-Fraud, am I right?!

Enoooooough. Blaming James for his 2-4 Finals record is relying on the silliest stat around, and the latest desperate attempt to protect Jordan's sacred legacy.

Why is 2-4 so misleading?

Let's count the reasons.


1. Six straight Finals is basically unheard of


Seeing James at the Finals has gotten so common that it's hard to imagine the championship round without him. James has played his way into the Finals for a sixth straight season, something that hasn't been done by a player since Bill Russell pulled off the feat in 1966.

For James, it's even more remarkable once you consider that Russell's Boston Celtics needed to win only one series to reach the Finals from 1961 to 1965; James and others in this modern era needed to win three just to get there.

Getting to the Finals six straight times is an amazing accomplishment for James and his teams, even if he didn't win the title every time. The 2-4 stat is a clever sleight of hand. It turns a success into a failure, no different than walking up to a college graduate and tearing up the diploma because it didn't have summa cum laude written on it.

By citing James' "losing" record of 2-4, the implication is that we'd somehow prefer James to lose earlier in the playoffs and thereby not tarnish his precious Finals record.

Another common barb thrown at James' record is that he's always gotten an easy road to the Finals. One pretty big reason for that: Of the nine 60-win teams from the East since James entered the league, James has been on three of them. Also, the last two 60-win East teams James faced in the playoffs? He beat both.

Last season, the Cavs swept the 60-win Hawks and his Heat in 2011 needed just five games to send the 62-win Bulls -- led by MVP Derrick Rose -- packing. (And let's not forget that in 2006 a 21-year-old James took a Cavs squad that started Flip Murray and Larry Hughes to a Game 7 against the 64-18 Pistons.)

The stat you don't often hear is that James has reached the Finals in seven of his 11 postseasons, which is astounding to think about. At just 31 years old, James has already reached the championship round more times than Oscar Robertson, Moses Malone, George Gervin, Alex English, Bob Lanier, Dan Issel, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkins, Steve Nash and Yao Ming ... combined. Yes, combined.

If you want to know how hard it is to get to the Finals even once, just ask those Hall of Famers.


2. Michael Jordan "failed" earlier


Critics of James will point to 2-4 as both an indictment on his career and a nod of praise to Michael Jordan and his sterling 6-0 record. By slighting James, it props up Jordan's legacy as the G. O. A. T. (Greatest of All-Time).

But a fact that's rarely brought up is that James has missed the Finals just four times in his postseason career. By comparison, Jordan reached the Finals in just six of his 13 postseasons. Framing it another way, James is 7-4 in getting to the championship round while Jordan was 6-7.

What a loser that Jordan guy was! Missed the Finals more times than he made it!

(Sidenote: It's true that James didn't make the playoffs in the first two seasons in the NBA. If we really want to blame a teenager for not going deep into the NBA playoffs, we can, while noting that Jordan didn't even arrive in the NBA until age 21. James still has reached the Finals more often already -- seven in 13 overall seasons -- than Jordan did his entire 15-season career.)

Of course, citing Jordan's 6-7 finals-appearance record is incredibly unfair to Jordan, just like 2-4 is to James. But it points to the contradiction at hand. Would we rather James lose in the Eastern Conference finals or the first round instead of competing for the title? No, we should credit James for getting so far so many times.

After all, James has never lost in the first round of the playoffs either (something Jordan suffered three times). And James has never been swept in the first round either (something Jordan endured twice).

Looking at the Finals, Jordan didn't ever have to face a 65-win team, while James has faced two in the last two seasons alone. Furthermore, Jordan enjoyed homecourt advantage in five of his six appearances, a luxury that James has only had in two of his six Finals trips, underscoring that James has overachieved in getting to the Finals with subpar rosters.

Looking at the whole picture, James has a career record of 127-65 (.661) in the playoffs, while Jordan was 119-60 (.665). Quite the difference, huh?

And yet, people scream and shout that James is a championship bust.


3. Championship-or-bust mentality is lunacy


Yes, winning the championship is the ultimate team goal. But it is not the only goal and it certainly isn't the most important individual achievement. Winning the MVP, for instance, is far more reflective of a player's accomplishments than touting a championship-or-bust stat that is so dependent on supporting cast, coaching and plain ol' good luck.

By the way, while we're talking about individual achievements, have you seen who leads the all-time leaderboard for win shares in the postseason?

That would be James, who just passed MJ last week. James has accumulated 40.1 playoff win shares while Jordan generated 39.8 with his play, according to Basketball-Reference.com's all-in-one metric.



Playoff win shares
Win Shares
LeBron James 40.1
Michael Jordan 39.8
Tim Duncan 37.8
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 35.6
Magic Johnson 32.6
Source: Basketball-Reference.com


The 2-4 discussion is inherently problematic because James is not 2-4, his teams were. If we graded individual careers solely based on the number of rings on fingers than Jordan is no better than Robert Horry (seven championships), Frank Ramsey (seven championships) or Tom "Satch" Sanders (eight championships).

Going by the ringzzz logic, Beno Udrih has a better NBA résumé than Jerry West, the guy who is quite literally the logo of the league. Citing titles as an individual litmus test is a logical fallacy that ESPN's Pablo S. Torre calls thetyranny of "Big Playoff."

This is all not to say James is better than Jordan. That is not a discussion we're having today, not when James is 31 years old and likely just a little past the halfway point in his career.

But hoisting up the 2-4 record as some sort of indictment on James' legacy is just as foolish as it is ignorant. And it'll be more foolish if he goes to 2-5 after facing a legendary 73-9 Warriors squad.

To me, Jordan is the greatest player of all time. That doesn't mean we have to tear James and everyone else down. Especially not for their achievements.

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ESPN still copping pleas for lebrun.

They smell disaster and are quickly setting the table to excuse it and cover it up.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Lebron is actually 2-1 as the favorite in the Finals... they were not underdogs against the Spurs in 2013. That was their 66 win team

The way I see it:

2007: underdogs, Loss
2011: Favored, Loss
2012: Underdogs, Won
2013: Favored, Win
2014: Favored, Loss
2015: Underdogs, Lost

He is 1-2 as a favorite and 1-2 as an underdog, pathetic

[AlexJones]

The way I see it:

2007: underdogs, Loss
2011: Favored, Loss
2012: Underdogs, Won
2013: Favored, Win
2014: Favored, Loss
2015: Underdogs, Lost

He is 1-2 as a favorite and 1-2 as an underdog, pathetic

The way I see it you should lay under a bus IMO

[Spurs 4 The Win]

The way I see it you should lay under a bus IMO

Do you not think the two time defending champions with the best player in the world should have been expected to win in 2014? A large majority of the experts picked them.

[AlexJones]

Do you not think the two time defending champions with the best player in the world should have been expected to win in 2014? A large majority of the experts picked them.
6 out of 16 of the ESPN "experts" picked the Heat in fact. And they had a 42% implied probability per Vegas. If you think that 54 win Heat team should be FAVORED on the road against the 62 win Spurs you should log off now.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

6 out of 16 of the ESPN "experts" picked the Heat in fact. And they had a 42% implied probability per Vegas. If you think that 54 win Heat team should be FAVORED on the road against the 62 win Spurs you should log off now.

"The panel sees the Spurs needing all seven games to dethrone the Heat and earn ring No. 5 for Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich."

Okay, found what you are talking about, you are correct. So that series was probably about even money on each end, slight edge to the Spurs because of homecourt. Well, I think Lebron should take a major hit for losing the way he did. The odds of them losing in 5 were very low. They had a road game 7 victory in the Finals by the Heat being as likely as the Spurs winning in 5.

And to take it one step further, the Heat were heavily favored after taking Game 2 in SA with their odds of winning the series shooting up to 60+%. LeBron deserves major flack, for a supposed all time great, for getting punched in the mouth twice at home in Finals games in blowouts. At 1-1 they had the edge in that series, and they gave it all away, pathetic.

[AlexJones]

"The panel sees the Spurs needing all seven games to dethrone the Heat and earn ring No. 5 for Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich."

Okay, found what you are talking about, you are correct. So that series was probably about even money on each end, slight edge to the Spurs because of homecourt. Well, I think Lebron should take a major hit for losing the way he did. The odds of them losing in 5 were very low. They had a road game 7 victory in the Finals by the Heat being as likely as the Spurs winning in 5.

And to take it one step further, the Heat were heavily favored after taking Game 2 in SA with their odds of winning the series shooting up to 60+%. LeBron deserves major flack, for a supposed all time great, for getting punched in the mouth twice at home in Finals games in blowouts. At 1-1 they had the edge in that series, and they gave it all away, pathetic.
60+% for the Heat after game 2? Did you pull this shit out of your ass or am I missing something here? There is no way Miami was favored 60% because they took 1 road game.

And James had a PER of 30 that series while Wade and Bosh were barely above average. I'm sure you're part of the moron public that legitimately thought Kiwi outplayed him that series.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

60+% for the Heat after game 2? Did you pull this shit out of your ass or am I missing something here? There is no way Miami was favored 60% because they took 1 road game.

And James had a PER of 30 that series while Wade and Bosh were barely above average. I'm sure you're part of the moron public that legitimately thought Kiwi outplayed him that series.

I remember the ESPN crew talking about it in the time between game 2 and 3. They said Spurs wouldve had a 80% chance if they had won Game 2 but now it was Heat at something like 64%.

Kiwi did outplay him, thats why he got Finals MVP

[AlexJones]

I remember the ESPN crew talking about it in the time between game 2 and 3. They said Spurs wouldve had a 80% chance if they had won Game 2 but now it was Heat at something like 64%.

Kiwi did outplay him, thats why he got Finals MVP

Ah, the good ol' ESPN BPI. Such a great tool and totally representative of the true probability.

And Kiwi did not outplay him. Unless you also think Iguodala outplayed him in 15. And Parker in 07. Either way, your opinion is pretty worthless tbqh

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Ah, the good ol' ESPN BPI. Such a great tool and totally representative of the true probability.

And Kiwi did not outplay him. Unless you also think Iguodala outplayed him in 15. And Parker in 07. Either way, your opinion is pretty worthless tbqh

Please explain to me how Kawhi didnt outplay him

[AlexJones]

Please explain to me how Kawhi didnt outplay him
James outrebounded, out-assisted, out-scored him and had better advanced numbers in every category? Please explain how he did outplay James other than "he won FMVP though" which is exactly the type of argument I expect from you.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

James outrebounded, out-assisted, out-scored him and had better advanced numbers in every category? Please explain how he did outplay James other than "he won FMVP though" which is exactly the type of argument I expect from you.

Kawhi vs. Lebron:

Minutes Played: 167 vs. 189 (Keep in mind, Lebron had a much higher usage% than Kawhi)
FG%: 61.2 vs 57.1
3PTFG%: 57.9 vs 51.9
Rebounds: 32 vs 39
Steals: 8 vs 10
Assists: 10 vs 20
Blocks: 6 vs 2
Turnovers: 9 vs 19
Points: 18 vs 28
True Shooting%: 75 vs 63
Offensive Rating: 136 vs 120

Finals MVP: Kawhi

[DAF86]

Why do Kobe fans want Lebron to lose so much? He's already ahead Kobe in the all-time list. Curry is the one you should worry about, tbh.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Why do Kobe fans want Lebron to lose so much? He's already ahead Kobe in the all-time list. Curry is the one you should worry about, tbh.

I wouldnt put Lebron ahead of Kobe

[webshad]

Stupid CAVs, just embarrassing seeing them play out there.

Seems like an exhibition game.

[davemaniscool]

GS not the Hawks

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Is there any top 50 player with a worse W-L record in the finals?

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/33/500x1000px-LL-33b86578_ezgif-1978264251.gif

[DAF86]

I wouldnt put Lebron ahead of Kobe

Everyone is free to be as wrong as they want, tbh.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Everyone is free to be as wrong as they want, tbh.

Lebron isnt a playoff performer, he is a choke artist. Kobe used to haunt us back in the day. I look forward to matchups with Lebron. He isnt intimidating and you know he wont sink your team singlehandedly.

[HarlemHeat37]

Lebron isnt a playoff performer, he is a choke artist. Kobe used to haunt us back in the day. I look forward to matchups with Lebron. He isnt intimidating and you know he wont sink your team singlehandedly.

Lebron is the 2nd best playoffs wing performer in league history, it would be pretty difficult to prove otherwise..

[DAF86]

Lebron isnt a playoff performer, he is a choke artist. Kobe used to haunt us back in the day. I look forward to matchups with Lebron. He isnt intimidating and you know he wont sink your team singlehandedly.

You are saying a bunch of stuff that didn't/don't happen in reality son.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Lebron is the 2nd best playoffs wing performer in league history, it would be pretty difficult to prove otherwise..

Im sure his numbers arent inflated at all by playing the deaf and blind handicapped children in the East every year in the playoffs... :lol

[tholdren]

Should have been 1 - 6 if not for the Spurs giveaway.
That moment in which the Spurs inexplicably melted was the biggest moment in LBJ's career.
The champagne was on ice, ffs.
LBJ melted in that game too- fans won't remember it though due to Ray Allens shot, but james down the stretch was bad.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

You are saying a bunch of stuff that didn't/don't happen in reality son.

His finals record is pathetic. Downright awful. And when they lose, they get blown the fuck out. When they win, its because of a miracle (Ray Allen). He isnt mentally tough and he sure as fuck aint clutch. But sure suck his dick some more because he pads his stats all game, use your eyes you fucking dumbass, he is overrated as hell :lol

[Spurs 4 The Win]

LBJ melted in that game too- fans won't remember it though due to Ray Allens shot, but james down the stretch was bad.

If you watch the Final two minutes, he flat out choked, he turned the abll over several times and got eaten up by Tony Parker. He got so fucking lucky.

[Thread]

If you watch the Final two minutes, he flat out choked, he turned the abll over several times and got eaten up by Tony Parker. He got so fucking lucky.

He got Amy Duncan, that's what he got.

[DAF86]

His finals record is pathetic. Downright awful. And when they lose, they get blown the fuck out. When they win, its because of a miracle (Ray Allen). He isnt mentally tough and he sure as fuck aint clutch. But sure suck his dick some more because he pads his stats all game, use your eyes you fucking dumbass, he is overrated as hell :lol

Logical thinking isn't your strength I see. Good night son.

[Capt Bringdown]

LBJ melted in that game too- fans won't remember it though due to Ray Allens shot, but james down the stretch was bad.

The point is not that James played well in that game, but rather that the Spurs gift of a title saved his ass in terms of legacy/reputaton and maybe even marketing - for awhile.
Not anymore - the boo birds will be out after this year.

[Thebesteva]

Why do Kobe fans want Lebron to lose so much? He's already ahead Kobe in the all-time list. Curry is the one you should worry about, tbh.


Its not not about surpassing Kobe or not it's the fact Lebron is a douchebag. Apparently every nba fan sees this except cavs fans since the queen returned and spurs fans for some odd reason

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Its not not about surpassing Kobe or not it's the fact Lebron is a douchebag. Apparently every nba fan sees this except cavs fans since the queen returned and spurs fans for some odd reason

I see it. Its only a select vocal few of Lebron dickriders that try and act like he isnt a choking loser. Dude is the ultimate fucking douche.

[DAF86]

Its not not about surpassing Kobe or not it's the fact Lebron is a douchebag. Apparently every nba fan sees this except cavs fans since the queen returned and spurs fans for some odd reason

He isn't anymore of a douchebag than Kobe, tbh. And unlike Kobe, he isn't an overrated fucker that gets a pass for everything. In fact, quite the opposite. He gets a lot of undeserved shit.

[Thebesteva]

He isn't anymore of a douchebag than Kobe, tbh. And unlike Kobe, he isn't an overrated fucker that gets a pass for everything. In fact, quite the opposite. He gets a lot of undeserved shit.

Did it ever occur to you that not every fucking sports opinion we have revolves around Kobe somehow? Jesus Christ Spur fans are some dumb fucks

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Did it ever occur to you that not every fucking sports opinion we have revolves around Kobe somehow? Jesus Christ Spur fans are some dumb fucks

Dont lump me in with that retard. I respect Kobe and how he terrorized us in the playoffs. So many of these fans just started watching in 08 and dont remember anything from earlier. So they only saw Kobe's decline. Kobe has a killer instinct that Lebron has never even come close to having. Lebron is a joke, he is a regular season stat padder, when the going gets tough, he shrinks, you cant count on him. However, with Duncan and Kobe, you could. They delivered.

[DAF86]

Did it ever occur to you that not every fucking sports opinion we have revolves around Kobe somehow? Jesus Christ Spur fans are some dumb fucks

On this ocassion it does dumbass. 'cause I was specifically talking about Kobefans hating on Lebron. Kobefans hating on Lebron 'cause Lebron is a "douchebag" is some hypocrital shit, tbh.

[DAF86]

Dont lump me in with that retard. I respect Kobe and how he terrorized us in the playoffs. So many of these fans just started watching in 08 and dont remember anything from earlier. So they only saw Kobe's decline. Kobe has a killer instinct that Lebron has never even come close to having. Lebron is a joke, he is a regular season stat padder, when the going gets tough, he shrinks, you cant count on him. However, with Duncan and Kobe, you could. They delivered.

"killer instinct", typical empty argumental line used by dumbfucks when trying to argue for something they believe to be truth but can't come up with actual facts 'cause reality refutes their retarded opinions. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

why is lebron still deferring when his team needs more scoring? oh wait clown has no reliable jumper when the driving lanes are closed

why hold back and protect ur stats in a losing effort? might as well continue to chuck and see what happens, cause you still going to get buried for it by the media whether ur chucking or not, cause its a automatic losing series anyway

[Spurs 4 The Win]

"killer instinct", typical empty argumental line used by dumbfucks when trying to argue for something they believe to be truth but can't come up with actual facts 'cause reality refutes their retarded opinions. :lol

I could sit here and look up video after video of Kobe torching us in big games, but I wont. Because if you cant remember it then you need help. Check the 2008 WCF Game 1 if you want to see a more recent one that you might have actually seen. Killer instinct is a thing, and if you cant see that Lebron lacks it and Kobe had it, then you dont know shit about basketball.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

why is lebron still deferring when his team needs more scoring? oh wait clown has no reliable jumper when the driving lanes are closed

why hold back and protect ur stats in a losing effort? might as well continue to chuck and see what happens, cause you still going to get buried for it by the media whether ur chucking or not, cause its a automatic losing series anyway

Bingo

[DAF86]

I could sit here and look up video after video of Kobe torching us in big games, but I wont. Because if you cant remember it then you need help. Check the 2008 WCF Game 1 if you want to see a more recent one that you might have actually seen. Killer instinct is a thing, and if you cant see that Lebron lacks it and Kobe had it, then you dont know shit about basketball.

I've been watching the NBA since the mid 90's. I don't need to watch "video after video" to know that Lebron has clearly been a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant.

[ElNono]

I've been watching the NBA since the mid 90's. I don't need to watch "video after video" to know that Lebron has clearly been a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant.

tbh, Kirbs would be 2-6 without Shaqdaddy holding his hand for the first 3...

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I've been watching the NBA since the mid 90's. I don't need to watch "video after video" to know that Lebron has clearly been a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant.

Regular season must matter to you more than playoffs.

[ElNono]

Lebron even picked his own coach, tbh... he's got nobody but himself to blame...

[DAF86]

Regular season must matter to you more than playoffs.

Lebron's carrer playoffs numbers: 28 ppg, 47 FG%, 9 rpg, 7 apg, 1 bpg, 2 spg
Kobe's career playoffs numbers: 25 ppg, 45 FG%, 5 rpg, 5 apg, 0.7 bpg, 1.4 spg

That killer instinct though :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Getting to the point he will be remembered for his failures more than his triumphs..

[Thread]

Getting to the point he will be remembered for his failures more than his triumphs..

That will be difficult for Media to acknowledge.

[Brazil]

Lebron's carrer playoffs numbers: 28 ppg, 47 FG%, 9 rpg, 7 apg, 1 bpg, 2 spg
Kobe's career playoffs numbers: 25 ppg, 45 FG%, 5 rpg, 5 apg, 0.7 bpg, 1.4 spg

That killer instinct though :lol

:lol and don't even start with advanced metrics

[DMC]

Im sure his numbers arent inflated at all by playing the deaf and blind handicapped children in the East every year in the playoffs... :lol
"Lebron makes half the league look like blind handicapped children"

That's what you just said.

That's basically kicking your own ass.

[DMC]

Getting to the point he will be remembered for his failures more than his triumphs..
He will be remembered as the only player in his era who could have dragged those shitty teams to the Finals that often.

[dbreiden83080]

He will be remembered as the only player in his era who could have dragged those shitty teams to the Finals that often.

I doubt it. More like why are you 2-8 in the finals??

[LkrFan]

Lebron's carrer playoffs numbers: 28 ppg, 47 FG%, 9 rpg, 7 apg, 1 bpg, 2 spg
Kobe's career playoffs numbers: 25 ppg, 45 FG%, 5 rpg, 5 apg, 0.7 bpg, 1.4 spg

That killer instinct though :lol
Player A: 5-2 Finals record
Player B: staring down the barrel of a 2-5 sh:loltgun

[DMC]

I doubt it. More like why are you 2-8 in the finals??
Because Jerry West is remembered as being 1-8, that's why he's the Logo.

[ambchang]

Player A: 5-2 Finals record
Player B: staring down the barrel of a 2-5 sh:loltgun

Horry's 7-0. Some players are just luckier than others.

[coachmac87]

Because Jerry West is remembered as being 1-8, that's why he's the Logo.



Jerry West was never compared to Jordan...

LeBron has been trying to make case for #1 since 10'

[LkrFan]

Horry's 7-0. Some players are just luckier than others.

Shut up about "right place at the right time" coat tail riding Horry. He never made even 1 ASG. Why you comparing him to Kobe and LeHype? -15 points son.

[dbreiden83080]

Because Jerry West is remembered as being 1-8, that's why he's the Logo.

Did Jerry West being 1-8 get discussed in the media 24/7? The media scrutiny is a tad bit different. Being great used to be enough. Not anymore..

[K...]

LeBron is getting hammered not because. he isn't on a good team....It's that he also team hopped and bullied the gm to make it his team.

If he gets credit for moving to the heat, then he should lose credit for moving to a stale and dysfunctional team. That's his team, he fired the coach so now he's also the de facto coach.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron even picked his own coach, tbh... he's got nobody but himself to blame...

This ...plus he left Riles ...
Dumb move ...

[ambchang]

Shut up about "right place at the right time" coat tail riding Horry. He never made even 1 ASG. Why you comparing him to Kobe and LeHype? -15 points son.

Kobe is about as "right place at the right time" superstar as they come.

Had the worst advanced statistics for any players who's supposed to be his peers (top 10 to 20 all time).
Fake "all about winning persona" that can only be propagated in an area as shallow as LA.
Clutch player who have been statistically proven not to be clutch at all.

Not going to dragged into this vortex though. Point is, finals record has very little to do with an individual, and is mostly about the construction of the team and the quality of the conference.

[ambchang]

That said, people kept talking about how Shaq is the next Wilt, but really, Lebron is the next Wilt.

Physically imposing athlete who is really a man among boys in that regard.
Incredibly agile and quick not only for a player his size, but pretty much for a player of any size.
One can't shoot FTs, the other can't nail outside shots consistently.
Perceived as a choker.
Horrible finals record.

[Keepin' it real]

Getting to the point he will be remembered for his failures more than his triumphs..

Nah, he'll be referred to as a 2-time champion and multi season league MVP, and they'll always show him holding those trophies while having that nauseating look of contentedness on his face after lucking by the Spurs in '13.

Just like Peyton Manning ... very similar in regard to their MVP seasons but playoff failures. But they are media darlings so will be protected.

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/pzMSWCB.jpg

[Darth_Pelican]

lol

[resistanze]

Threads are the best tbh

[AlexJones]

Such a joke that fuck has the easiest path to the finals every year. But it it funny watching him get owned by the west. Overrated fuck.
:lmao EAT SHIT YOU FAGGOT.

[AlexJones]

Just shows that D-Wade was the top dog all along in Miami. He was the mentally strong dude.
:lmao shove that L up your gooch, fucking whore.

[AlexJones]

Lebron is 1-1 as a favorite in the Finals, which is the only record that matters, logically..the Mavs series will be the black eye on his career, of course..

There's no shame in losing to the greatest team in NBA history, though, which will be the case..Warriors are way too overwhelming for anybody..

2007: SA -500 (16.7% implied probability for James to win)
2011: MIA -180 (64%)
2012: OKC -160 (48.5%)
2013: MIA -240 (70.1%)
2014: SA -125 (45%)
2015: GS -200 (33.3%)
2016: GS -220 (31%)

He should have expected to win ~3.086 championships based on my calculations, and he's accomplished exactly that. I'm shocked.

[AlexJones]

Meanwhile Kobe sports an L as a -550 favorite vs Detroit:lmao:lmao

[AlexJones]

:lmao losing with pocket aces to 5 2 offsuit :lmao

[K...]

:lmao losing with pocket aces to 5 2 offsuit :lmao

MY TEEAM I JUST ADOPTED DOESN:T GET THE RESPEXT I WANT

[Will Hunting]

:lmao shove that L up your gooch, fucking whore.

:lmao

[baseline bum]

Meanwhile Kobe sports an L as a -550 favorite vs Detroit:lmao:lmao

:lol

[baseline bum]

Alpha as fuck winning this title with 41, 41, and a triple double facing elimination. Criticism if he lost this series would have been fair, so you gotta give him love for winning it now. Durant couldn't close the deal but LeBron got shit done.

[DMC]

Winning a ring with Mo fucking Williams and Richard fucking Jefferson getting minutes is by far the GOAT achievement.

[Thread]

Winning a ring with Mo fucking Williams and Richard fucking Jefferson getting minutes is by far the GOAT achievement.

I won't cite first fucking there, but, without the second fucking I'd be on top---you all would be on the bottom.

[Thread]

Alpha as fuck winning this title with 41, 41, and a triple double facing elimination. Criticism if he lost this series would have been fair, so you gotta give him love for winning it now. Durant couldn't close the deal but LeBron got shit done.

At least it wasn't you. And at least it's still:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

James: 3

[DMC]

I won't cite first fucking there, but, without the second fucking I'd be on top---you all would be on the bottom.

We didn't have RJ when we won.

[spurraider21]

We didn't have RJ when we won.
ill just bet you didnt

[Thread]

We didn't have RJ when we won.

Lucky James.

[AlexJones]

:lol Lebron is as calculated of a businessman as Floyd sometimes. He knew the finals record talk was all bullshit, and only vanillatown clowns like Spursistan, K..., Daslicer would care about that shit. His main motivation was the talk about Curry being better than him, tbh:lol It definitely would hurt if you were an alpha bull negro for all these years, and out comes a lightskin manlet who's thought to be better than you by even the smartest basketball minds :lol

[Thread]

:lol Lebron is as calculated of a businessman as Floyd sometimes. He knew the finals record talk was all bullshit, and only vanillatown clowns like Spursistan, K..., Daslicer would care about that shit. His main motivation was the talk about Curry being better than him, tbh:lol It definitely would hurt if you were an alpha bull negro for all these years, and out comes a lightskin manlet who's thought to be better than you by even the smartest basketball minds :lol

It wasn't bullshit. & he still ain't out of the woods. If he ends up with the 2 + the 1 that Amy lodged it ain't enough. Sure, it's enough for Media, but, not for the likes of "us." No way.

3 is puny. Looks puny. Looks weak. Looks light. No, he'll need at least 4, 5 would set him up kindly.

But, 3? No.

[Seefourdc]

It wasn't bullshit. & he still ain't out of the woods. If he ends up with the 2 + the 1 that Amy lodged it ain't enough. Sure, it's enough for Media, but, not for the likes of "us." No way.

3 is puny. Looks puny. Looks weak. Looks light. No, he'll need at least 4, 5 would set him up kindly.

But, 3? No.

Yeah Lebrons 3 look pretty pitiful I mean it's not like someone with 5 got carried to more than half his rings by the most dominant center of his generation or anything.

[Thread]

Yeah Lebrons 3 look pretty pitiful I mean it's not like someone with 5 got carried to more than half his rings by the most dominant center of his generation or anything.

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

ADDENDUM:::James 3 does look puny. He needed a divorce twixt the Duncans to get that 2nd one. Nobody wants to talk about that. But, I do.

You fucked up there, See. And I aim to sit right down on your fuckin' face, ass end first and have a jolly old fuckin' time over it.

[Josepatches_]

Great thread
Props to the OP :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Will Hunting]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

ADDENDUM:::James 3 does look puny. He needed a divorce twixt the Duncans to get that 2nd one. Nobody wants to talk about that. But, I do.

You fucked up there, See. And I aim to sit right down on your fuckin' face, ass end first and have a jolly old fuckin' time over it.

Sounds like you're breaking your own code and trying to lodge an asterisk on his 2013 ring.

[Thread]

Sounds like you're breaking your own code and trying to lodge an asterisk on his 2013 ring.

No, it's legit. He won his 1st 5th in '13. He won his 2nd 5th in '14.

+ shut the fuck up. You got your 17.

[soxxx]

Sick of people discussing Lebrons final record. To me it doesnt mean jack shit. The team he had last year had ZERO chance, he actually got credit for even beating them twice, the team he in 2007 had no shot either.

The bad loss on his record was the Mavs series, I think thats the series he will live with regret because if he had won that he would be sitting here today with 4 titles, a 3-peat, a Cleveland title etc (obviously things may play out differently had he won). This title this year stood out more, I think I might be the single most important finals win in NBA history, it holds a lot more weight because it was the greatest comeback of all time against the 73 win team, against the unanimous, mvp, with a game 7 win on the road.

[Thread]

Sick of people discussing Lebrons final record. To me it doesnt mean jack shit. The team he had last year had ZERO chance, he actually got credit for even beating them twice, the team he in 2007 had no shot either.

The bad loss on his record was the Mavs series, I think thats the series he will live with regret because if he had won that he would be sitting here today with 4 titles, a 3-peat, a Cleveland title etc (obviously things may play out differently had he won). This title this year stood out more, I think I might be the single most important finals win in NBA history, it holds a lot more weight because it was the greatest comeback of all time against the 73 win team, against the unanimous, mvp, with a game 7 win on the road.

Let him stand on that record. He earned it. It's his.

3 looks puny. Looks piss pot.

Hell, if Ozzie & Harriet Duncan were still married he'd only have the 2. Count your blessings.

[DMC]

Lucky James.

Slow down Dale, you're blithering.

[DMC]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

ADDENDUM:::James 3 does look puny. He needed a divorce twixt the Duncans to get that 2nd one. Nobody wants to talk about that. But, I do.

You fucked up there, See. And I aim to sit right down on your fuckin' face, ass end first and have a jolly old fuckin' time over it.

They were still divorced in 2014. What's your excuse?

[Thread]

They were still divorced in 2014. What's your excuse?

None. By then Tim had gotten used to the idea and the sting had dulled. The worst that could happen HAD happened.

What damage there had been had been done.

Right, D?

[Thread]

Slow down Dale, you're blithering.

No. Without RJ I got a case. It's thin, but, it's a case.

[DMC]

None. By then Tim had gotten used to the idea and the sting had dulled. The worst that could happen HAD happened.

What damage there had been had been done.

Right, D?

No. You're wrongly associating his marital issues with the outcome of the Finals when you should be looking at it from the other direction.

Just be thankful she didn't do that 10 years earlier. You'd be look up at us.

[DMC]

No. Without RJ I got a case. It's thin, but, it's a case.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Who without RJ? Spurs? Warriors? Cavs? Nets?

Do you just mutter words and see where it takes you?

[Thread]

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Who without RJ? Spurs? Warriors? Cavs? Nets?

Do you just mutter words and see where it takes you?

BS.

[Thread]

No. You're wrongly associating his marital issues with the outcome of the Finals when you should be looking at it from the other direction.

Just be thankful she didn't do that 10 years earlier. You'd be look up at us.

Of course you're never fucking wrong.

Maddening motherfucker, you.

[DMC]

Of course you're never fucking wrong.

Maddening motherfucker, you.

Your 1975 rose colored glasses are providing you with all the confirmation bias you need. Someone here has to balance your bullshit with fact.

[JoeTait75]

3 looks puny. Looks piss pot.

Three is a nice neat number for LeBron. The title in Cleveland is the validator, imo. I curve LeBron's grade because he was drafted by the Cavaliers.

How many titles do you think he should have, Cully?

[Stalin]

Sick of people discussing Lebrons final record. To me it doesnt mean jack shit. The team he had last year had ZERO chance, he actually got credit for even beating them twice, the team he in 2007 had no shot either.

The bad loss on his record was the Mavs series, I think thats the series he will live with regret because if he had won that he would be sitting here today with 4 titles, a 3-peat, a Cleveland title etc (obviously things may play out differently had he won). This title this year stood out more, I think I might be the single most important finals win in NBA history, it holds a lot more weight because it was the greatest comeback of all time against the 73 win team, against the unanimous, mvp, with a game 7 win on the road.


:lol Today's NBA.

[AlexJones]

Just shows that D-Wade was the top dog all along in Miami. He was the mentally strong dude.
"Oh, Lebron is down 2-0 to this team after 2 road games. Shows you that his sidekick was the alpha all along"

Fucking dumb ****. Lmao

[daslicer]

:lol Lebron is as calculated of a businessman as Floyd sometimes. He knew the finals record talk was all bullshit, and only vanillatown clowns like Spursistan, K..., Daslicer would care about that shit. His main motivation was the talk about Curry being better than him, tbh:lol It definitely would hurt if you were an alpha bull negro for all these years, and out comes a lightskin manlet who's thought to be better than you by even the smartest basketball minds :lol

:lol Proving again you are a weak troll. I have never even brought up Lebron's Finals record. I have actually gone on record a bunch of times stating he's better than Kobe.

[AlexJones]

:lol Proving again you are a weak troll. I have never even brought up Lebron's Finals record. I have actually gone on record a bunch of times stating he's better than Kobe.
:lol I'm a pretty weak troll to get you to respond to me daily.