RIP GOAT ALI

[SuperCam]

:worthy: Greatest Athlete of all time :worthy:


:worthy: Most important black man in the 20th century :worthy:

[SuperCam]

"When I was a kid, I was amazed by what Ali did in the ring," LeBron told ESPN.com. "As I got older and started to read about him and watch things about him, I started to realize what he did in the ring was secondary to what he meant outside of the ring -- just his influence, what he stood for."As an African-American, James said Ali is largely responsible for his ability to enjoy not only fame and wealth as a professional athlete but also the opportunities that come with it.
"The reason why he's the GOAT is not because of what he did in the ring, which was unbelievable," James said, referring to the acronym commonly attached to Ali, which stands for "greatest of all time."
"It's what he did outside of the ring, what he believed in, what he stood for, along with Jim Brown and Oscar Robertson, Lew Alcindor -- obviously, who became Kareem [Abdul-Jabbar] -- Bill Russell, Jackie Robinson. Those guys stood for something. He's part of the reason why African-Americans today can do what we do in the sports world. We're free. They allow us to have access to anything we want. It's because of what they stood for, and Muhammad Ali was definitely the pioneer for that."

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:worthy:

[Thread]

A draft dodging coward.

Dying doesn't change that.

[.G.]

^I can't ever seem to take anything LeBron "the NBAs greatest loser" James says seriously when it comes to discussing historical figures or all-time greats; e.g. Oscar Robertson, Ali, Duncan, etc.

Seems to me that he's coached on what to say and it always comes across as complete utter bullshit.

[Stevie Johnson]

^I can't ever seem to take anything LeBron "the NBAs greatest loser" James says seriously when it comes to discussing historical figures or all-time greats; e.g. Oscar Robertson, Ali, Duncan, etc.

Seems to me that he's coached on what to say and it always comes across as complete utter bullshit.
He's a little bitch.

[spurraider21]

changed his name/religion to dodge the draft :lol

well truth be told he changed his name/religion a few years before he was actually called to service, but a dodger nonetheless

[apalisoc_9]

I'm glad he dodged the draft. Thousands of forced Americans had to die in a BS war against Vietnam. Thousands of innocent in vietnam died for the BS America spews.

Someone should stand against these American foregin Policy of minding everyones business.

[DMC]

lol people who abandoned their homeland and migrated to the US acting like finding a way out of going to die in Vietnam was a dishonorable thing.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

lol people who abandoned their homeland and migrated to the US acting like finding a way out of going to die in Vietnam was a dishonorable thing.

I'm glad he dodged the draft. Thousands of forced Americans had to die in a BS war against Vietnam. Thousands of innocent in vietnam died for the BS America spews.

Someone should stand against these American foregin Policy of minding everyones business.


For once, I agree. The domino theory was stupid & socialist states were relatively peaceful compared to modern threats (jihadis). The Russians didn't have suicide bombers and terrorists killing innocent people all over the world for not conforming to their stupid religion/ideology.


I would just move to Canada or something

[SuperCam]

GOAT Ali sending a powerful message by giving the middle finger and letting a generation of black men know you don't have to submit yourselves to the Jewish manipulated White man's warfare agenda :worthy:

[313]

Alpha males of all alpha males tbh

told the white man to fuck off :worthy:

:lol imagine fighting a war for the same dickheads who only consider you 3/5 human

[313]

lol people who abandoned their homeland and migrated to the US acting like finding a way out of going to die in Vietnam was a dishonorable thing.

[noles1983]

A draft dodging coward.

Dying doesn't change that.

truth bomb

[spurraider21]

Alpha males of all alpha males tbh

told the white man to fuck off :worthy:

:lol imagine fighting a war for the same dickheads who only consider you 3/5 human
why live in that country then?

[Chris]

Alpha males of all alpha males tbh

told the white man to fuck off :worthy:

:lol imagine fighting a war for the same dickheads who only consider you 3/5 human

QFT this country is so far up its own ass under the spell of propaganda. Props to Ali for seeing through the red vs. blue facade.

[apalisoc_9]

why live in that country then?

Because hes that from country...

Happy Black people fough slavery.

Imagine if they were in the shoes of native americans..a race of people almost annahilated from tge face of earth

[DD]

Best trash-talker of all time, and that nigga could back it up

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, why couldn't it have been Dad Killer instead, tbh?

[Ghazi]

:lol Thread calling him a draft-dodging coward

Anyone who went to fight for THAT war was a sissy cuck, IMO.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Like I said in another thread why fight for a country that treats your people like animals. He was right in dodging the draft.

[spurraider21]

if you live in a country, you are enjoying the benefits of it. if that wasn't the case, you would leave (unless you're stuck such as n. koreans)

i have no issue with conscientious objectors, it's legitimate, and there are legal avenues

[.G.]

Here Is the Country That Was Named the Biggest Threat to World Peace

http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/peace-map.jpg

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/279944-country-named-biggest-threat-world-peace/

"I ain't got nothing against no Viet Cong; no Viet Cong never called me ngger."

Ali was a man of Peace.

[Thebesteva]

Really surprised how everyone is reopening the ridiculously old wound that is Ali dodging the draft. He died...just pay your respects or dont, why the F does everything have to be a debate with you quasi intelligent monkeys known as human beings?

[Splits]

A draft dodging coward.

Dying doesn't change that.

How many tours did you do, Dale?

Oh, and let me guess, you're voting for the draft-dodger Trump, eh?

Racist faggot.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

HqiWFLsgVi4

That grandson doe #bleached

http://i.imgur.com/95JcE79.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DXLZWYz.jpg

[DMC]

why live in that country then?

That's the immigrant take for sure. Don't work to change it, just leave.

[DMC]

HqiWFLsgVi4




Ali was on point. Can't say that shit today.

[Silver&Black]

A draft dodging coward.

Dying doesn't change that.

Cub

[Thread]

Really surprised how everyone is reopening the ridiculously old wound that is Ali dodging the draft. He died...just pay your respects or dont, why the F does everything have to be a debate with you quasi intelligent monkeys known as human beings?

Because that's the template that has been set. Sort of like when they set the template that either you win the last game you play ('84), or, you are total fuckin' worthless shit.

I got with the program and flew straight. 30 odd years later they want to do (close enough.) Uh, uh. We started a certain way, and bub, we are going to go together the same fuckin' way all the way to the end.

Same difference on the death notice. If we're going to hold my dead people to old sins I'm going to hold your dead people to old sins.

Stings, don't it?

Clay is a draft dodging coward. I spit on him.

[LkrFan]

RIP Cassius Clay

[Ghazi]

If he wasn't a draft dodger he could just be another irrelevant statistic.

Instead he's the GOAT.

[LkrFan]

If he wasn't a draft dodger he could just be another irrelevant statistic.

Instead he's the GOAT.

He must have been listening to the Geto Boys:

K9uDNUUzgHc

:lol

[RD2191]

The fuck is old ass thread talking about?

[Thread]

The fuck is old ass thread talking about?

Something that doesn't concern you since it happened past 5 minutes ago. Go text somebody, sweetheart.

[Silver&Black]

The fuck is old ass thread talking about?

When America needed Clay.....Clay said, "No."

I spit on him also.

[Thread]

When America needed Clay.....Clay said, "No."

I spit on him also.

&

[313]

Because that's the template that has been set. Sort of like when they set the template that either you win the last game you play ('84), or, you are total fuckin' worthless shit.

I got with the program and flew straight. 30 odd years later they want to do (close enough.) Uh, uh. We started a certain way, and bub, we are going to go together the same fuckin' way all the way to the end.

Same difference on the death notice. If we're going to hold my dead people to old sins I'm going to hold your dead people to old sins.

Stings, don't it?

Clay is a draft dodging coward. I spit on him.
How many tours did you serve Dale? How about your father?

[DMC]

There are 50,000 dead Americans because of the war in Vietnam. We left with our tails between our legs. 50,001 wouldn't have changed that.

We're talking about Cassius Clay, not Hancock.

[Thread]

How many tours did you serve Dale? How about your father?

I didn't, Johnny. They had me shinin' a seat down at Bragg.

[LkrFan]

Something that doesn't concern you since it happened past 5 minutes ago. Go text somebody, sweetheart.

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[Splits]

I didn't, Johnny. They had me shinin' a seat down at Bragg.

Fucking pussy.

[spurraider21]

That's the immigrant take for sure. Don't work to change it, just leave.
I live in the country I was born in

[RD2191]

When America needed Clay.....Clay said, "No."

I spit on him also.

But where was America when he needed them?

[RD2191]

I live in the country I was born in
Why haven't you joined the military yet?

[offset formation]

A draft dodging coward.

Dying doesn't change that.

I'd expect nothing less from you. You're a fucking prick.

[baseline bum]

I didn't, Johnny. They had me shinin' a seat down at Bragg.

Only pussies and assholes go to Nam

[DMC]

Why haven't you joined the military yet?

Especially with the "don't ask, don't tell" rule.

[spurraider21]

Why haven't you joined the military yet?
Haven't been drafted amigo. Besides, if I did I could get a valid, legal deferment. The same way ali got passed the first time because his iq was too low

[pgardn]

Probably the most influential athlete in the world. Ever.

Love him or hate him...

[baseline bum]

It's sad that kids all wanted to be sellout Jordan instead of Ali.

[K...]

In 2004 this country elected a happy draft dodger over a serious war hero by painting said war hero as a villain.

This country has voted for so many draft dodging sobs that the only thing funny about it is the overt racism of some old faggots pooping out some deep held bile about Ali.


The only people who can bitch about the draft in 2016 are those who serve, did serve, and said family of those who served.


We never held lbj accountable nor Nixon either. Bernie went on his Kissinger fit but never framed it properly.


We are one political cycle away from fuck ups reinstating racism as an overt political issue and tool.

[DMC]

Haven't been drafted amigo. Besides, if I did I could get a valid, legal deferment. The same way ali got passed the first time because his iq was too low
He must never have posted on Spurstalk. Everyone here has at least 160 IQ.

[RD2191]

He must never have posted on Spurstalk. Everyone here has at least 160 IQ.
Lmao

[RD2191]

Haven't been drafted amigo. Besides, if I did I could get a valid, legal deferment. The same way ali got passed the first time because his iq was too low

But if you did get drafted to fight in the middle east you'd go?

[resistanze]

if you live in a country, you are enjoying the benefits of it. if that wasn't the case, you would leave (unless you're stuck such as n. koreans)

i have no issue with conscientious objectors, it's legitimate, and there are legal avenues

I guess Armenians in Turkey had it good tbh

[Splits]

Hero

HeFMyrWlZ68

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[resistanze]

A draft dodging coward.

Dying doesn't change that.

He didn't dodge, he stayed right here. Something you didn't have the balls or brains to do.

[Thebesteva]

Nice to see Lebron commenting on this...now if we can only get Ja rule to give us his thoughts

[Silver&Black]

But where was America when he needed them?

:rolleyes

What are you getting at rob? Is this the part where you tell me that he wouldn't fight for his country because somebody called him a N igger a few times? Ali made a shit load of money in the same country that he said hated him. He lived better than 99% of white americans at the time.....

Don't make this about race with me. Because I'm not going that route. Bill Clinton was white. He did the same thing...and I spit on him too. Bowe Bergdahl was white and he abandoned his post and went to join the enemy. Two soldiers (some say more) died looking for him. I wouldn't piss on his gums if his mouth was on fire.

Ali is not a hero like all the baseball players who quit playing the game because their country needed them.

Ted Williams, Joe Dimaggio, and countless others said, "Yes." Clay said, "No." Fuck him.

[spurraider21]

But if you did get drafted to fight in the middle east you'd go?
Obviously it's not preferable otherwise I'd just enlist rather than waiting for conscription. I do think the days of drafts are long gone due to technology revolutionizing the way wars are fought.

I can't blame anybody for not wanting to go to war :lol... But I respect the legal avenues available

[RD2191]

:rolleyes

What are you getting at rob? Is this the part where you tell me that he wouldn't fight for his country because somebody called him a N igger a few times? Ali made a shit load of money in the same country that he said hated him. He lived better than 99% of white americans at the time.....

Don't make this about race with me. Because I'm not going that route. Bill Clinton was white. He did the same thing...and I spit on him too. Bowe Bergdahl was white and he abandoned his post and went to join the enemy. Two soldiers (some say more) died looking for him. I wouldn't piss on his gums if his mouth was on fire.

Ali is not a hero like all the baseball players who quit playing the game because their country needed them.

Ted Williams, Joe Dimaggio, and countless others said, "Yes." Clay said, "No." Fuck him.
Fuck that. Why fight for a country that won't fight for you? Where does this false sense of patriotism come from? I would never go fight in a war that had nothing to do with protecting me or my family. What the fuck did nam have to do with us?

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Fuck that. Why fight for a country that won't fight for you? Where does this false sense of patrism come from? I would never go fight in a war that had nothing to do with protecting me or my family. What the fuck did nam have to do with us?
This.

[RD2191]

*patriotism.

[djohn2oo8]

Fucking pussy.
:lmao I spit on Cully

[djohn2oo8]

*patriotism.
Most of these pussies talking about draft dodging, would shit themselves if they were drafted themselves to a war they had no chance of winning.

[Thread]

I'd expect nothing less from you. You're a fucking prick.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

[Thread]

He didn't dodge, he stayed right here. Something you didn't have the balls or brains to do.

My ass. He dodged. He's a coward. A chickenshit. And a racist.

[RD2191]

Most of these pussies talking about draft dodging, would shit themselves if they were drafted themselves to a war they had no chance of winning.

Tbfh. They'd probably shoot themselves in the foot to get the hell out of there.

[RD2191]

50 years later and a fuckin bigot racist is about to become president and people are shocked that a black man refused to fight in a pointless war. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Tbfh. They'd probably shoot themselves in the foot to get the hell out of there.
Yep. My dad was drafted, they sent him over on a broken leg. Ali didn't run either, he stood there and took his punishment.

[Thread]

50 years later and a fuckin bigot racist is about to become president

He's been POTUS for the past 7+ years.

[RD2191]

Yep. My dad was drafted, they sent him over on a broken leg. Ali didn't run either, he stood there and took his punishment.

Sucks man. Hopefully everything turned out well for your old man.

[resistanze]

My ass. He dodged. He's a coward. A chickenshit. And a racist.

Yet he'll be more loved and celebrated than you'll ever be for quilting blankets for the war.

[RD2191]

Yet he'll be more loved and celebrated than you'll ever be for quilting blankets for the war.

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Sucks man. Hopefully everything turned out well for your old man.
He's okay. Dealt with after effects of agent orange and all that, skin reactions.

[Thread]

Yet he'll be more loved and celebrated than you'll ever be for quilting blankets for the war.

Rope-a-dope couldn't even wipe his own ass.

Big shot.

[lefty]

:lol today's boxing

[RD2191]

He's okay. Dealt with after effects of agent orange and all that, skin reactions.
Yeah, I have a great uncle who still deals with that stuff. All sorts of heart problems and shit.

[Thread]

Yeah, I have a great uncle who still deals with that stuff. All sorts of heart problems and shit.

He's probably AIDs infected.

[DMC]

My ass. He dodged. He's a coward. A chickenshit. And a racist.
He stood toe to to with George Foreman in his prime, with Frazier in his prime and he won. You sat behind a desk and, being from Cleveland, selected the Lakers as your team.

#Playingitsafe

[resistanze]

Rope-a-dope couldn't even wipe his own ass.

Big shot.

But its still:::

Ali: universally loved, stood tall to supreme court
Cub: making pies for troops, pounding away at his keyboard

[Thread]

He stood toe to to with George Foreman in his prime, with Frazier in his prime and he won. You sat behind a desk and, being from Cleveland, selected the Lakers as your team.

#Playingitsafe

I'll boil it down, pansy:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

[Chris]

He's okay. Dealt with after effects of agent orange and all that, skin reactions.

Same here. Old man was exposed to Agent Orange and went through hula hoops to get aid from the government when the side effects manifested. Veteran Hospitals are a nightmare and a joke. I've had ample experience with several here in Texas.

[Thread]

But its still:::

Ali: universally loved, stood tall to supreme court
Cub: making pies for troops, pounding away at his keyboard

Just another asshole died that somebody else had to wipe.

Big shot.

[baseline bum]

I'll boil it down, pansy:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

Your boys got put face down in the ground by fucking Hop Sing.

[Ashy Larry]

Ali's a straight G ....... fought all the best, top heavyweights multiple times an beat the shit outta John Q. Whitefolks ....... gotta love it. And I'd love to be called a draft dodger especially after McNamara comes out and says Vietnam was started on a bullshit ass lie. Ali clearly won that shit.

[djohn2oo8]

Same here. Old man was exposed to Agent Orange and went through hula hoops to get aid from the government when the side effects manifested. Veteran Hospitals are a nightmare and a joke. I've had ample experience with several here in Texas.
Yeah. My dad is still battling with the VA to get his benefits, declared disabled. His next door neighbor also went to Vietnam, came back batshit crazy. He owns an AK-47 and sometimes thinks he sees monkeys outside.

[Thread]

Your boys got put face down in the ground by fucking Hop Sing.

And yours by fucking Westbrook.

Cubby just dropped the mouse.

[Thread]

Yeah. My dad is still battling with the VA to get his benefits, declared disabled. His next door neighbor also went to Vietnam, came back batshit crazy. He owns an AK-47 and sometimes thinks he sees monkeys outside.

That's nothing compared to your problems with Harden & Howie.

[baseline bum]

And yours by fucking Westbrook.

Cubby just dropped the mouse.

Like you dropped the ball in Nam? What a disgraceful loss to some third world militia, I'd have dodged too knowing my only backup was chickenshits like cubby tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

That's nothing compared to your problems with Harden & Howie.
Howard is a goner, thank Christ.

[Thread]

Like you dropped the ball in Nam? What a disgraceful loss to some third world militia, I'd have dodged too knowing my only backup was chickenshits like cubby tbh.

Lettin' Westbrook take your cookie.

LMAO!!!

[baseline bum]

Lettin' Westbrook take your cookie.

LMAO!!!

Letting Charlie take yours.

[Thread]

Howard is a goner, thank Christ.

That decision is up to Howie. We'll have to wait & see what he'd like to do.

[Thread]

Letting Charlie take yours.

In Texas, not once, but, twice.

woo hoo!!!

[Ashy Larry]

Hero

HeFMyrWlZ68

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G shit

[baseline bum]

In Texas, not once, but, twice.

woo hoo!!!

Westbrook was first team all nba. Charlie was third world all of five foot three. And yet you bent right over for him just like your boy Magic.

[Thread]

Westbrook was first team all nba.


And he kicked your ass all over Texas.

WOOT!!!

[RD2191]

Westbrook was first team all nba. Charlie was third world all of five foot three. And yet you bent right over for him just like your boy Magic.
:lmao

[baseline bum]

And he kicked your ass all over Texas.

WOOT!!!

VC was O-and-48 until you let him ring. Did you celebrate their shit too like you did with Jordan?

[Splits]

BB going IN on that chickenshit, Nam-dodging, racist Dale

[Splits]

Ali made a shit load of money in the same country that he said hated him. He lived better than 99% of white americans at the time......

Bullshit. Dude was fucking broke when he objected

[resistanze]

VC was O-and-48 until you let him ring. Did you celebrate their shit too like you did with Jordan?

:rollin

[Thread]

VC was O-and-48 until you let him ring. Did you celebrate their shit too like you did with Jordan?

OKC
OKC
OKC
OKC
OKC
OKC

[UZER]

Yeah. My dad is still battling with the VA to get his benefits, declared disabled. His next door neighbor also went to Vietnam, came back batshit crazy. He owns an AK-47 and sometimes thinks he sees monkeys outside.

You can't say that man. That's racist.

[K...]

Dang cub got his groove back and all it took is for a big famous black man to die.


I might just vote trump to save this forum.

[baseline bum]

OKC
OKC
OKC
OKC
OKC
OKC

Losing in Nam was like a 16-seed taking out the 1-seed and doing it by 20, you'll never live it down.

[webshad]

Bullshit. Dude was fucking broke when he objected

Yup, I read that he even had to borrow money from his friend Frazier to maintain himself.

[webshad]

Yet he'll be more loved and celebrated than you'll ever be for quilting blankets for the war.

:lmao

done!

[Thread]

Losing in Nam was like a 16-seed taking out the 1-seed and doing it by 20, you'll never live it down.

WestbrookPERIOD

[Thread]

Yup, I read that he even had to borrow money from his friend Frazier to maintain himself.

& I read where Frazier offered to wipe his ass at the onset of his Parky.

& of course his Parkinson's had not one fucking thing to do with him getting his brain scrambled for 20 years.

[Thread]

Dang cub got his groove back and all it took is for a big famous black man to die.


I might just vote trump to save this forum.

I've been waitin' on this hump to kick the bucket for many years. I took the kids down to a Suns game once and that hump showed up. Everybody stood, except the Robinsons.

[baseline bum]

WestbrookPERIOD

Ho Chi Minh sent you home a loser and not even Phoenix would throw you a parade.

[Silver&Black]

I've been waitin' on this hump to kick the bucket for many years.

I thought Ali was a draft dodging pussy yesterday, I think he's a draft dodging pussy today, and I'll continue to think he was a draft dodging pussy tomorrow.

I'm not going to bow down and kiss his ass today because he died. I'm not going to do it Cub. And you shouldn't either.

[Thread]

Ho Chi Minh sent you home a loser and not even Phoenix would throw you a parade.

OKC beat you in your home.

ha, ha.

[Thread]

I thought Ali was a draft dodging pussy yesterday, I think he's a draft dodging pussy today, and I'll continue to think he was a draft dodging pussy tomorrow.

I'm not going to bow down and kiss his ass today because he died. I'm not going to do it Cub. And you shouldn't either.

Shoulder-to-shoulder, &.

[Splits]

Shoulder-to-shoulder, &.

Couple of pussies who didn't volunteer to go to Nam nor Iraq.

Pussies.

[Trill Clinton]

Rob, resistanze, splits...salute.

[Trill Clinton]

Baseline, chris...salute.

[Splits]

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[Silver&Black]

Couple of pussies who didn't volunteer to go to Nam nor Iraq.

Pussies.

Don't lump me in with Bail on that one....

I served in Operation Enduring Freedom. Spent my 21st birthday on a mountain top in Afghanistan. I remember watching the Spurs/Pistons Finals at 3 a.m. (the time difference you know). You think I would spend my time calling someone else a draft dodging pussy if I hadn't served myself? Really Splits?

[Splits]

Don't lump me in with Bail on that one....

I served in Operation Enduring Freedom. Spent my 21st birthday on a mountain top in Afghanistan. I remember watching the Spurs/Pistons Finals at 3 a.m. (the time difference you know). You think I would spend my time calling someone else a draft dodging pussy if I hadn't served myself? Really Splits?

Real men volunteer to go to Fallujah, not take camping trips to the mountains while letting Bin Laden slip past them.

[Silver&Black]

Real men volunteer to go to Fallujah, not take camping trips to the mountains while letting Bin Laden slip past them.

:lmao Camping trips

When did you go to Fallujah brother? My unit was responsible for over 700+ dead while losing only one guy (RIP SFC Robinson). We also were responsible for finding and destroying the biggest weapons cache in Afghanistan (OEF-A) history. What the fuck did you do overseas Splits?

And BTW...where did this new bleeding heart Splits come from? Where is the Splits who makes fun of dead Texas A&M kids because they can't properly build a bonfire? Do 2 different ppl run this account?

[AaronY]

739227281365684224
Damn that takes some courage..

[Splits]

:lmao Camping trips

When did you go to Fallujah brother? My unit was responsible for over 700+ dead while losing only one guy (RIP SFC Robinson). We also were responsible for finding and destroying the biggest weapons cache in Afghanistan (OEF-A) history. What the fuck did you do overseas Splits?

And BTW...where did this new bleeding heart Splits come from? Where is the Splits who makes fun of dead Texas A&M kids because they can't properly build a bonfire? Do 2 different ppl run this account?

Congrats on your war crimes. Really brave of you to call in AC-130s and daisycutters to bomb the innocent while you sit around stroking your boyfriend's cock at the campsite.

At least you guys had enough camping trip training in bonfires.

[313]

I'll boil it down, pansy:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5thThat's one more 5th than Kobe :toast

[313]

Congrats on your war crimes. Really brave of you to call in AC-130s and daisycutters to bomb the innocent while you sit around stroking your boyfriend's cock at the campsite.

At least you guys had enough camping trip training in bonfires.:lmao

[313]

Yet he'll be more loved and celebrated than you'll ever be for quilting blankets for the war.
:lmao

[Silver&Black]

Congrats on your war crimes. Really brave of you to call in AC-130s and daisycutters to bomb the innocent while you sit around stroking your boyfriend's cock at the campsite.

At least you guys had enough camping trip training in bonfires.

You don't know what it was like Splitty....because you weren't there. You only know what you've seen on CNN.

Seriously though. Where did this new bleeding heart Splits come from? Remember...You're one of the the edgy ones round these parts....not me. How do you go from making fun of Kirby's Zika virus kids....to a bleeding heart pussy b/c Ali dieded? WTF man? You've gone soft all of a sudden. Why did this one event today make you pull a 180?

[Thread]

You don't know what it was like Splitty....because you weren't there. You only know what you've seen on CNN.

Seriously though. Where did this new bleeding heart Splits come from? Remember...You're one of the the edgy ones round these parts....not me. How do you go from making fun of Kirby's Zika virus kids....to a bleeding heart pussy b/c Ali dieded? WTF man? You've gone soft all of a sudden. Why did this one event today make you pull a 180?

Shits

[Trill Clinton]

Congrats on your war crimes. Really brave of you to call in AC-130s and daisycutters to bomb the innocent while you sit around stroking your boyfriend's cock at the campsite.

At least you guys had enough camping trip training in bonfires.

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[Splits]

You don't know what it was like Splitty....because you weren't there. You only know what you've seen on CNN.

Seriously though. Where did this new bleeding heart Splits come from? Remember...You're one of the the edgy ones round these parts....not me. How do you go from making fun of Kirby's Zika virus kids....to a bleeding heart pussy b/c Ali dieded? WTF man? You've gone soft all of a sudden. Why did this one event today make you pull a 180?

You obviously haven't been paying attention. I wish destruction and death on all enemies of the underprivileged and defenseless, and laugh at those same privileged who suffer when karma and fate catch up to them.

It's unbecoming to be proud of a 700-1 death ratio, as if all 700 of those "people" were "terrorists", which I'm sure you've convinced yourself of.

[SocialJusticeWarrior]

You obviously haven't been paying attention. I wish destruction and death on all enemies of the underprivileged and defenseless, and laugh at those same privileged who suffer when karma and fate catch up to them.
One of us! One of us! One of us!

[spurraider21]

Really surprised how everyone is reopening the ridiculously old wound that is Ali dodging the draft. He died...just pay your respects or dont, why the F does everything have to be a debate with you quasi intelligent monkeys known as human beings?
it gets brought up by people calling it an act of heroism tbh, the rest is a response to it

[Splits]

it gets brought up by people calling it an act of heroism tbh, the rest is a response to it

Or, if you're not completely illiterate, it was first brought up by Dale in post 4.


A draft dodging coward.

Dying doesn't change that.

[Silver&Black]

America: "We need our young men to go fight for us"
Countless Americans including other blacks (heroes) who didn't even agree with the conflict in Vietnam: "Let's do this"
Ali: "No thanks. I'm good."

Fuck that guy. Should be called out for being a coward. It's not like he would be thrown to the wolves like the others. They would have had Ali sorting mail or something like that. I can guarantee you that Ali wouldn't be a frontline infantry soldier or grunt. He would probably be a quartermaster or something behind the lines. And those guys are just as important as anybody else. He could have done something to help the war effort.

In WWII women quit their jobs and became steel workers to help with the effort. It probably sucked for them, but they endured. They got along...and did their part to help. Fuck...just google Rosie the Riveter. Even the women back then did their part.

It's just the way most Americans are today. When 9/11 happened....probably 80-90% of the country was in favor of going to war. As soon as you realize that you might have to get your fucking hands dirty......now....now...you say you're against it. You can't have it both ways. People die...shit never goes as planned...it's just the way it is. It's called Murphy's Law.

[spurraider21]

:lmao Camping trips

When did you go to Fallujah brother? My unit was responsible for over 700+ dead while losing only one guy (RIP SFC Robinson). We also were responsible for finding and destroying the biggest weapons cache in Afghanistan (OEF-A) history. What the fuck did you do overseas?
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.

I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.

You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit.

If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[lefty]

:lol hero my ass

:cry such a great man

[Splits]

America: "We need our young men to go fight for us"
Countless Americans including other blacks (heroes) who didn't even agree with the conflict in Vietnam: "Let's do this"
Ali: "No thanks. I'm good."

Fuck that guy. Should be called out for being a coward. It's not like he would be thrown to the wolves like the others. They would have had Ali sorting mail or something like that. I can guarantee you that Ali wouldn't be a frontline infantry soldier or grunt. He would probably be a quartermaster or something behind the lines. And those guys are just as important as anybody else. He could have done something to help the war effort.

In WWII women quit their jobs and became steel workers to help with the effort. It probably sucked for them, but they endured. They got along...and did their part to help. Fuck...just google Rosie the Riveter. Even the women back then did their part.

It's just the way most Americans are today. When 9/11 happened....probably 80-90% of the country was in favor of going to war. As soon as you realize that you might have to get your fucking hands dirty......now....now...you say you're against it. You can't have it both ways. People die...shit never goes as planned...it's just the way it is. It's called Murphy's Law.

So MLK was also a coward?

b80Bsw0UG-U

[spurraider21]

Or, if you're not completely illiterate, it was first brought up by Dale in post 4.
well if you're talking specifically about this thread, sure

[spurraider21]

So MLK was also a coward?

b80Bsw0UG-U
opposing the war isn't a coward move. was MLK drafted and did he proceed to dodge?

[resistanze]

opposing the war isn't a coward move. was MLK drafted and did he proceed to dodge?

You said earlier in this thread being a conscientious objector is something you acknowledge as valid, which is what Ali did. So what exactly are you arguing?

[Splits]

well if you're talking specifically about this thread, sure

Oh, right, I was "talking specifically" about that other thread that doesn't exist. But "people calling it an act of heroism" are to blame for shitting on Ali's grave.

Got it.

[Splits]

opposing the war isn't a coward move. was MLK drafted and did he proceed to dodge?

Ali didn't dodge.

One would think that a "law scholar" would know his case was adjudicated at the highest court in this land and his conviction was overturned.

[Silver&Black]

It's unbecoming to be proud of a 700-1 death ratio, as if all 700 of those "people" were "terrorists", which I'm sure you've convinced yourself of.

Don't fucking do that Splits. Was all of that other "edgy" stuff you've posted just a joke? You just pulling our legs?

Who is the real Splits? Is he the compassionate guy who sheds a solitary tear when Ali dies? Somebody who will take up for him regardless or what he did. Or is the real Splits the ruthless guy who will go after anybody including making a thread about Kirby's children?

Never would have thought you would be the guy who gets irritated over a draft dodging comment. Trill...yeah I saw that one coming. Can't say anything negative about a black man without him showing up. Even though I think all the white guys who did this are just as low as Ali.

But, Not you Splits. Not you. Not in a million lifetimes.

[Thread]

Ali didn't dodge.

One would think that a "law scholar" would know his case was adjudicated at the highest court in this land and his conviction was overturned.

He's a draft dodger & a coward. I spit on Clay.

[jeebus]

:lol hero my ass

:cry such a great man

:cry I was David Bowie's biggest fan

:cry the world lost a legend in Prince

:cry Chyna was a great wrassler and a hero for all women

People are faggots when it comes to celebrity deaths.

[K...]

He's a draft dodger & a coward. I spit on Clay.

Haha, clay, fuck that asshole lew alcindor too....what's his "African" name? Cream dildo jibber.

[Splits]

Don't fucking do that Splits. Was all of that other "edgy" stuff you've posted just a joke? You just pulling our legs?

Who is the real Splits? Is he the compassionate guy who sheds a solitary tear when Ali dies? Somebody who will take up for him regardless or what he did. Or is the real Splits the ruthless guy who will go after anybody including making a thread about Kirby's children?

Never would have thought you would be the guy who gets irritated over a draft dodging comment. Trill...yeah I saw that one coming. Can't say anything negative about a black man without him showing up. Even though I think all the white guys who did this are just as low as Ali.

But, Not you Splits. Not you. Not in a million lifetimes.

You're so proud of those 700+ dead, why don't you tell us about them and their families? Were they all named Abduallah Akhbar Jihad Jihad?

[Splits]

He's a draft dodger & a coward. I spit on Clay.

What are your thoughts on George Wallace?

[Silver&Black]

So MLK was also a coward?

:pctoss

Don't even try to compare MLK (one of the greatest human beings to grace this world) to Ali. MLK fought every day of his life for equality for all ppl no matter the color of their skin. MLK's death, while tragic, ushered in a new way of thinking and the implementing of new laws.

Don't do it Splits. We can have an intelligent conversation on this matter...and I'll even allow (fuck...i'll even encourage) you to continue to make jokes about me giving handjobs around campfires overseas. I'm a big boy...I will survive. But, don't just start slinging shit against the wall comparing MLK to Ali. The two couldn't possibly be further from each other. Their disagreement on the war in Vietnam is probably the only thing they had in common.

[Silver&Black]

You're so proud of those 700+ dead, why don't you tell us about them and their families? Were they all named Abduallah Akhbar Jihad Jihad?

Really dude. I've never brought it up before...and I'll probably never bring it up again. You called me a pussy who was sitting on the bench at the time. And I'll I told you was I did part (along with my fellow soldiers).

What about the "real men in Fallujah"? I guess all the ppl they killed deserved it. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You can't commend the Marines in Fallujah for killing terrorists named Abduallah Akhbar Jihad Jihad....and condemn my unit at the same time. The fuck is wrong with you tonight?

[lefty]

:cry I was David Bowie's biggest fan

:cry the world lost a legend in Prince

:cry Chyna was a great wrassler and a hero for all women

People are faggots when it comes to celebrity deaths.

Troof nukes

[Splits]

Really dude. I've never brought it up before...and I'll probably never bring it up again. You called me a pussy who was sitting on the bench at the time. And I'll I told you was I did part (along with my fellow soldiers).

What about the "real men in Fallujah"? I guess all the ppl they killed deserved it. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You can't commend the Marines in Fallujah for killing terrorists named Abduallah Akhbar Jihad Jihad....and condemn my unit at the same time. The fuck is wrong with you tonight?

The pussies camping on top of the Hindu Kush demolishing villages in the gorge are just as abhorrent as the monsters who slaughtered innocents in Fallujah, ignoring the laws of war and decimating innocents by the thousands. At least you only have to live with "700+" dead on your conscious. I'm sure they were all really "bad dudes". No dead children for sure. Definitely.

And now, you get to go to college on my tax bill for free! Congrats! You're welcome!

[whitemamba]

RIP Ali , don't understand the hate towards this dude.

[Splits]

:pctoss

Don't even try to compare MLK (one of the greatest human beings to grace this world) to Ali. MLK fought every day of his life for equality for all ppl no matter the color of their skin. MLK's death, while tragic, ushered in a new way of thinking and the implementing of new laws.

Don't do it Splits. We can have an intelligent conversation on this matter...and I'll even allow (fuck...i'll even encourage) you to continue to make jokes about me giving handjobs around campfires overseas. I'm a big boy...I will survive. But, don't just start slinging shit against the wall comparing MLK to Ali. The two couldn't possibly be further from each other. Their disagreement on the war in Vietnam is probably the only thing they had in common.

Ali and MLK fought the same fight. But just ignore history. Continue your ignorance.


“Like Muhammad Ali puts it, we are all—black and brown and poor—victims of the same system of oppression.”

The two men also appeared together at a fair-housing rally in Ali’s hometown of Louisville, Kentucky. There, Ali said, “In your struggle for freedom, justice and equality, I am with you. I came to Louisville because I could not remain silent while my own people, many I grew up with, many I went too school with, many my blood relatives, were being beaten, stomped and kicked in the streets simply because they want freedom, and justice and equality in housing.” Ali was now a protester. Dr. King was now an internationalist. The boxer and the preacher had come together as one.

 It took a bullet on April 4, 1968, to end this fellowship between Muhammad Ali and Martin Luther King Jr. For both men, it required losing the power of speech, whether in death or as a result of Parkinson’s disease, to be embraced by the country as a whole.

[Silver&Black]

No dead children for sure. Definitely.

This is coming from the guy on ST who always makes fun of dead kids!!!!

When did you change dude? I'm not continuing this convo any further until you explain to me why you changed and did a complete 180? The only thing more shocking would be if Jeebus came in here and turned compassionate toward Ali. At least he stayed true to who he is.

[Splits]

This is coming from the guy on ST who always makes fun of dead kids!!!!

When did you change dude? I'm not continuing this convo any further until you explain to me why you changed and did a complete 180? The only thing more shocking would be if Jeebus came in here and turned compassionate toward Ali. At least he stayed true to who he is.

No change, your reading comprehension is really poor.

How many kids did your "team" kill?

How is your free college treating you? Those are my tax dollars.

[Big Dog]

This is coming from the guy on ST who always makes fun of dead kids!!!!

When did you change dude? I'm not continuing this convo any further until you explain to me why you changed and did a complete 180? The only thing more shocking would be if Jeebus came in here and turned compassionate toward Ali. At least he stayed true to who he is. jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) is a militard faggot who picks his times to be edgy, look at that pussy's avatar..And you're quoting a piece of shit cuck.

That said, had to drop my dimes, RIP to the greatest boxer of his time and maybe of all time. Could talk trash as much as he'd want and back it up. His death is a big one because of what he did for his common folk (black ppl) in his time. I applaud him for dodging the draft. The Vietnam War involvement is one of this country's biggest mistakes.

[Silver&Black]

jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) is a militard faggot who picks his times to be edgy, look at that pussy's avatar..And you're quoting a piece of shit cuck.

Never said I agree with him. I just simply said that he stayed true to who he is....whether or not you agree with it or not. Just can't believe Splits (another one who posts edgy shit all the time) is shedding a tear over a draft dodging comment.

You do you Big Dog...you're entitled to whatever opinion you want about Ali. As am I.

Just can't stand when someone tries to be edgy all the time...then gets asshurt over a "Ali was a draft dodger" comment by Thread . Maybe you can explain...

[Splits]

Never said I agree with him. I just simply said that he stayed true to who he is....whether or not you agree with it or not. Just can't believe Splits (another one who posts edgy shit all the time) is shedding a tear over a draft dodging comment.

You do you Big Dog...you're entitled to whatever opinion you want about Ali. As am I.

Just can't stand when someone tries to be edgy all the time...then gets asshurt over a "Ali was a draft dodger" comment by Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) . Maybe you can explain...

Let me boil this down for you, dumb fuck.

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

[Trill Clinton]

You said earlier in this thread being a conscientious objector is something you acknowledge as valid, which is what Ali did. So what exactly are you arguing?


Let me boil this down for you, dumb fuck.

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/magic-johnson-eating-popcorn.gif

[webshad]

& I read where Frazier offered to wipe his ass at the onset of his Parky.

& of course his Parkinson's had not one fucking thing to do with him getting his brain scrambled for 20 years.

I read where Kirby raped a white woman. LOL at least Ali did no such thing.

Defends a rapist, but blames a "negro" for not wanting to fight a white man's war.

[webshad]

Let me boil this down for you, dumb fuck.

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

#owned

[Thread]

What are your thoughts on George Wallace?

In the name of the greatest people who has ever trod this earth.

[Thread]

I read where Kirby raped a white woman. LOL at least Ali did no such thing.

Defends a rapist, but blames a "negro" for not wanting to fight a white man's war.

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

[Thread]

Let me boil this down for you, dumb fuck.

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

I'll just bet you do.

[.G.]

My unit was responsible for over 700+ dead while losing only one guy (RIP SFC Robinson).

Disgusting and hilarious.

[Silver&Black]

?
Let me boil this down for you, dumb fuck.

Dale hates black draft-dodgers.

Dale is voting for the white draft-dodger this election, without compunction.

He is a racist.

I hate racists.

I don't give a fuck who Bail votes for or not. 99% of the time I can't stand Dale. We just happen to agree on this one issue. I also don't give a flying fuck if you agree or disagree with me over Ali being a draft dodger. I've already stated my opinion on the matter. Countless men (both white and black) answered the call. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the people who got drafted (maybe even the majority of them) didn't agree with Vietnam War...but they still went anyways.

What pisses me off more than anything is you of all people tugging at the heartstrings of the other posters here. :cry I hate racists :cry You're not that guy. You're the same guy who starts a thread about how ugly Kobe's children are....the same guy who laughs at the death of kids who died in a tragic bonfire accident....the same guy who says if he buys the site misogyny will be encouraged not met with banning. (When spurraider and 100%Duncan got banned over Becky comments)

1. Making fun of dead kids = O.k. in your book
2. Misogyny = Encouraged
3. Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) being a racist = Borderline worst thing possible.

I just don't get it bruh. The area where you draw the line between allowed and taboo is shocking to me.

[midnightpulp]

America: "We need our young men to go fight for us"
Countless Americans including other blacks (heroes) who didn't even agree with the conflict in Vietnam: "Let's do this"
Ali: "No thanks. I'm good."

Fuck that guy. Should be called out for being a coward. It's not like he would be thrown to the wolves like the others. They would have had Ali sorting mail or something like that. I can guarantee you that Ali wouldn't be a frontline infantry soldier or grunt. He would probably be a quartermaster or something behind the lines. And those guys are just as important as anybody else. He could have done something to help the war effort.

In WWII women quit their jobs and became steel workers to help with the effort. It probably sucked for them, but they endured. They got along...and did their part to help. Fuck...just google Rosie the Riveter. Even the women back then did their part.

It's just the way most Americans are today. When 9/11 happened....probably 80-90% of the country was in favor of going to war. As soon as you realize that you might have to get your fucking hands dirty......now....now...you say you're against it. You can't have it both ways. People die...shit never goes as planned...it's just the way it is. It's called Murphy's Law.

You really can't make the comparison between Vietnam and WWII. First off all, we were directly attacked in the former, while the primary threat to world peace (Nazi Germany) was poised to run through Eurasia like a hot knife through butter. In World War II, there was obviously a clear understanding of why we're fighting. With Vietnam, I don't think most Americans or even the drafted soldiers knew what they were fighting for.

That said, I do think it was a just war in a vacuum (but I do think a military draft is unjust and I do think it was a conflict we should've stayed out of). A lot of dipshit liberal arts students with a poor understanding of history think Vietnam was "Murka's fault." Truth is, the French turned that place into a shithole (by raiding the country's resources over decades for their own interest), thus creating an environment ripe for discontent and insurgency long before any American heard of the country. During this time, the country basically broke out in a civil war between French colonial forces and their South Vietnamese allies and Ho Chi Minh and his communist forces. What peaked Washington's interest here is was the fact that Minh's forces were backed by the Soviets, eventually leading to the Vietnam War. And we fought on the right side (South Vietnamese). Ask any Vietnamese immigrant how great life was under Communism. Minh was basically a junior Stalin.


The reform led to allegations of many villagers being executed, land being taken away from middle peasants, and of paranoia among neighbors. Several foreign witnesses testified to mass executions.[36][37][page needed] Following the official condemnation of the excesses of Land Reform, the party newspaper Nhan Dan reported that 30% percent of all convictions were erroneous.[38] By 1957, some 12,000 wrongly convicted prisoners were released.[39]

Executions and imprisonment of persons classified as "landlords" or enemies of the state were contemplated from the beginning of the land reform program. A Politburo document dated 4 May 1953 said that executions were "fixed in principle at the ratio of one per one thousand people of the total population." That ratio would indicate that communist Vietnam contemplated the execution of about 15,000 "reactionaries and evil landlords" in carrying out the program.[40]

A lot those "dipshit liberal arts" students think the Communist threat was just an invented boogeyman, but when Uncle Joe is starving millions of his own people, summarily executing any and all political opposition, and purging millions of the religious, yeah, I think the Western Powers are going to be just a bit nervous about this guy expanding his sphere of influence, especially considering the military power the Soviet Union was at the time. The Domino Theory was a justified fear, since the world wanted, by any means necessary, to avoid another Nazi Germany situation (i.e., Poland was the first "domino" to fall, then France, and then, almost, the UK). Furthermore, it was Winston Churchill, the most trusted American ally of that time, who warned us about Communism. It wasn't like a board room of "evil" American leaders got together and said, "Hey. You know what would be killer and give us a great excuse to wage wars? Telling the American people that Communism is a threat!"

I do agree, however, that some of the witch-hunts stateside got stupidly out of hand (McCarthyism), but that's how paranoid the Soviet Union made everyone.

[RD2191]

What exactly did the US of A need ali for?

[midnightpulp]

Furthermore, what really irritates me the most is the fact that most people (the kind of morons who vote the United States is the greatest threat to world peace on polls) are unaware that we have been basically trying to clean up Europe's shit with "our meddling."

The Israel/Palestine debacle?

- Created by the UK

Why does Iran have a hate boner for the West?

- That flame was first fanned by, again, the UK. They fomented the first Iranian revolution because the then president of Iran wanted to nationalize their oil industry, which would cut out British Petroleum. The UK did ask the CIA for help, so our hands aren't clean here, but you can't turn down an ally. Have to play the geopolitical chess game and all that. The UK also armed Iraq and Saddam in their war with Iran.

Iraq?

Once again, was under UK rule. They gained "independence" in 1930, but basically existed as a British vassal state until Saddam seized power. "Yeah, but "evil Murka" armed Saddam with chemical weapons that he used on his own people."

Nope. That was Russia and western ally France.

http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

But yeah, the middle east is the way it is because Murrica :lol.

Honestly, when you read history, we're basically the most benevolent superpower that has ever existed. Oh, you think American hegemony has been a terrible thing since WWII? Then why is this now the most peaceful time the world has ever known?

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/15/were_living_through_the_most_peaceful_era_in_human _history_%E2%80%94%C2%A0with_one_big_exception_par tner/

Where's all the world wars we've started? Genocides (inB4 Native Americans. The Europeans, no surprise, were primarily responsible for that)? But yeah, we dropped some bombs on some violent Japs who liked cutting up (hundreds of thousands) of Chinese for shits and giggles.

[lefty]

What exactly did the US of A need ali for?

Human shield

But he would have dodged the bullets anyway

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Furthermore, what really irritates me the most is the fact that most people (the kind of morons who vote the United States is the greatest threat to world peace on polls) are unaware that we have been basically trying to clean up Europe's shit with "our meddling."

The Israel/Palestine debacle?

- Created by the UK

Why does Iran have a hate boner for the West?

- That flame was first fanned by, again, the UK. They fomented the first Iranian revolution because the then president of Iran wanted to nationalize their oil industry, which would cut out British Petroleum. The UK did ask the CIA for help, so our hands aren't clean here, but you can't turn down an ally. Have to play the geopolitical chess game and all that. The UK also armed Iraq and Saddam in their war with Iran.

Iraq?

Once again, was under UK rule. They gained "independence" in 1930, but basically existed as a British vassal state until Saddam seized power. "Yeah, but "evil Murka" armed Saddam with chemical weapons that he used on his own people."

Nope. That was Russia and western ally France.

http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

But yeah, the middle east is the way it is because Murrica :lol.

Honestly, when you read history, we're basically the most benevolent superpower that has ever existed. Oh, you think American hegemony has been a terrible thing since WWII? Then why is this now the most peaceful time the world has ever known?

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/15/were_living_through_the_most_peaceful_era_in_human _history_%E2%80%94%C2%A0with_one_big_exception_par tner/

Where's all the world wars we've started? Genocides (inB4 Native Americans. The Europeans, no surprise, were primarily responsible for that)? But yeah, we dropped some bombs on some violent Japs who liked cutting up (hundreds of thousands) of Chinese for shits and giggles.

Wow, talk about a completely one-sided, strawman argument. Trump supporter here, I can almost confirm.

[Silver&Black]

You really can't make the comparison between Vietnam and WWII.

Just said that women did their part in WWII. Plenty of women who went to work in naval shipyards across the country...yet I'm positive that every single one of them didn't agree with the war overseas. There were probably even some who thought that America hated them. They didn't get paid what a man did...and were often seen as inferior to men at the time. Hell, some of their mothers probably didn't even have the right to vote.

You can't do the whole "This war was just...this war was unjust" thing. We've got 50-80 years now to reflect on whether or not the wars were "right or wrong" now. In short, we've got the benefit of hindsight. The average Joe in the sixties who couldn't even spell Vietnam much less find it on a map....he got drafted. And if he didn't break the law...he went to 'Nam. 50 years later it's easy to determine that those guys got the raw end of the deal. My sorrow doesn't lie with the guy who broke the law and went on to make millions of dollars by punching other people in the head. My sorrow lies with the kid who never got to see his 20th birthday.

[Thread]

?

I don't give a fuck who Bail votes for or not. 99% of the time I can't stand Dale. We just happen to agree on this one issue. I also don't give a flying fuck if you agree or disagree with me over Ali being a draft dodger. I've already stated my opinion on the matter. Countless men (both white and black) answered the call. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the people who got drafted (maybe even the majority of them) didn't agree with Vietnam War...but they still went anyways.

What pisses me off more than anything is you of all people tugging at the heartstrings of the other posters here. :cry I hate racists :cry You're not that guy. You're the same guy who starts a thread about how ugly Kobe's children are....the same guy who laughs at the death of kids who died in a tragic bonfire accident....the same guy who says if he buys the site misogyny will be encouraged not met with banning. (When spurraider and 100%Duncan got banned over Becky comments)

1. Making fun of dead kids = O.k. in your book
2. Misogyny = Encouraged
3. Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) being a racist = Borderline worst thing possible.

I just don't get it bruh. The area where you draw the line between allowed and taboo is shocking to me.

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What exactly did the US of A need ali for?

To not be a coward, and a chickenshit.

[midnightpulp]

Wow, talk about a completely one-sided, strawman argument. Trump supporter here, I can almost confirm.

Not even close, Catboy. But anyone with even a cursory knowledge of history who reads it with an open mind would scoff at the simplistic idea that "Murka cause of all of world's problems :cry" because they saw a PBS special about Guantanamo Bay.

[midnightpulp]

Just said that women did their part in WWII. Plenty of women who went to work in naval shipyards across the country...yet I'm positive that every single one of them didn't agree with the war overseas. There were probably even some who thought that America hated them. They didn't get paid what a man did...and were often seen as inferior to men at the time. Hell, some of their mothers probably didn't even have the right to vote.

You can't do the whole "This war was just...this war was unjust" thing. We've got 50-80 years now to reflect on whether or not the wars were "right or wrong" now. In short, we've got the benefit of hindsight. The average Joe in the sixties who couldn't even spell Vietnam much less find it on a map....he got drafted. And if he didn't break the law...he went to 'Nam. 50 years later it's easy to determine that those guys got the raw end of the deal. My sorrow doesn't lie with the guy who broke the law and went on to make millions of dollars by punching other people in the head. My sorrow lies with the kid who never got to see his 20th birthday.

My point was there wasn't the same kind of motivation for the American public and the soldiers to back the Vietnam War effort since Vietnam wasn't really any kind of threat to the United States, so of course a 19 year old kid might dodge the draft here because he really doesn't know what he's fighting for. I can't demonize that mentality as "cowardly." Note: My dad and his brother were drafted into Vietnam. Also, my friend's dad was and another friend of mine's dad dodged it. I once asked my friend's dad (who knew the latter) what he thought about him dodging the draft. He said, "I don't blame him. Who the hell would want to go over there?" He was Purple Heart winner.

It was a war our hearts collectively as nation weren't in. But unlike some people who deride the soldiers who didn't dodge as "idiots," I think those soldiers can stand proud because, as I said, they fought on the right side and it was a noble cause (even if the cause wasn't really relevant to our interests, outside of domino theory logic). Ho Chi Minh wasn't some benevolent man of the people. Basically Stalin Jr., and people were fleeing the North when he seized power. About 800K fled from the North into the South at the start of the war, and another 2 million fled between 1975 and 1995. Yeah, socialist paradise.

[webshad]

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

And did you see me defending Neal or Kirby or any other rapist? But you do.

So defending a rapist is good, but defending a "negro" who didn't want to fight a white man's war is bad.

Great moral compass you have.

[Ghazi]

Iran's hate for USA is entirely justified.

You had interference in Operation Ajax in 1953, then 25 years of an imposed dictator, then encouraging Saddam to wage a war that lasted 8 years, then sanctions for no reason and the entire media aligned against Iran... not to mention it's unconditional blowjobs for an usurper nation like Israel (although USA is pretty much blackmailed into supporting Israel since the entire CONGRESS is bought). Not to mention the USA threats of war constantly... although if the USA COULD'VE waged a war on Iran, they would've done so already. The intelligence now realizes it would be too costly and far from worth it.

There's plenty of reasons to think the USA is an imperialist aggressor.

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My point was there wasn't the same kind of motivation for the American public and the soldiers to back the Vietnam War effort since Vietnam wasn't really any kind of threat to the United States, so of course a 19 year old kid might dodge the draft here because he really doesn't know what he's fighting for. I can't demonize that mentality as "cowardly." Note: My dad and his brother were drafted into Vietnam. Also, my friend's dad was and another friend of mine's dad dodged it. I once asked my friend's dad (who knew the latter) what he thought about him dodging the draft. He said, "I don't blame him. Who the hell would want to go over there?" He was Purple Heart winner.

It was a war our hearts collectively as nation weren't in. But unlike some people who deride the soldiers who didn't dodge as "idiots," I think those soldiers can stand proud because, as I said, they fought on the right side and it was a noble cause (even if the cause wasn't really relevant to our interests, outside of domino theory logic). Ho Chi Minh wasn't some benevolent man of the people. Basically Stalin Jr., and people were fleeing the North when he seized power. About 800K fled from the North into the South at the start of the war, and another 2 million fled between 1975 and 1995. Yeah, socialist paradise.

Well, we had to wait, Midst, had to wait to get LBJ out, and Nixon in. Then we could really descend on Vietnam. Before that JFK was linked by LBJ. Can't have JFK linked to anything bad except cavorting with Monroe. "We'll" accept that because it's Monroe and she was pretty. Anybody would cavort with her (cept that homosexual Duncan). Once JFK was safe Media went after Vietnam with a vengeance, they'd wanted Nixon for years and they finally got him, exactly where they wanted him.

We're no more benevolent than the next asshole in the line. We let our sovereign suffer horribly in their streets at the hands of the Nazi's for years before we used the slopes attack on Pearl Harbor to jockey in and over.

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Iran's hate for USA is entirely justified.

You had interference in Operation Ajax in 1953, then 25 years of an imposed dictator, then encouraging Saddam to wage a war that lasted 8 years, then sanctions for no reason and the entire media aligned against Iran... not to mention it's unconditional blowjobs for an usurper nation like Israel (although USA is pretty much blackmailed into supporting Israel since the entire CONGRESS is bought). Not to mention the USA threats of war constantly... although if the USA COULD'VE waged a war on Iran, they would've done so already. The intelligence now realizes it would be too costly and far from worth it.

There's plenty of reasons to think the USA is an imperialist aggressor.

Horseshit. Everything was honkey & dory for over 75 years. Gas was .15 to 25 cents per gallon. The Shah was our friend. We had his Northern border to keep an eye peeled on the Russians. Then we let him fall. And we've been against a stiff headwind ever since.

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And did you see me defending Neal or Kirby or any other rapist? But you do.

So defending a rapist is good, but defending a "negro" who didn't want to fight a white man's war is bad.

Great moral compass you have.

I never defended Kobe's rape.

Clay is a draft dodging coward. His death doesn't change that fact.

[midnightpulp]

Iran's hate for USA is entirely justified.

You had interference in Operation Ajax in 1953, then 25 years of an imposed dictator, then encouraging Saddam to wage a war that lasted 8 years, then sanctions for no reason and the entire media aligned against Iran... not to mention it's unconditional blowjobs for an usurper nation like Israel (although USA is pretty much blackmailed into supporting Israel since the entire CONGRESS is bought). Not to mention the USA threats of war constantly... although if the USA COULD'VE waged a war on Iran, they would've done so already. The intelligence now realizes it would be too costly and far from worth it.

There's plenty of reasons to think the USA is an imperialist aggressor.

I never said it wasn't justified, but let's not forget who pulled the majority of the strings there. The UK, who set up shop with British Petroleum in Iran long before the United States ever cared about Iran, Israel, Palestine, and the Middle East. The UK also armed Saddam, had trade embargos against Iran in the run up to that war. They were also one of the few countries to sell Saddam chemical weapons. A British firm even built a fuckin' chlorine factory in the country.

But yeah, all Murrica's fault.

[Ashy Larry]

RIP Ali , don't understand the hate towards this dude.

he basically told Mr. Charlie and Ms. Ann to go fuck themselves and not "know his place." Dude gave up prime years to stand up to Whitey when many of Whitey's kids were sent to Canada or had money/political power to receive deferments to stay out of the war. If you were poor white trash or poor and black, you were headed to Nam. They say if he enlisted, he woulda been doing tours like Joe Louis did during WW2. I doubt it. Whitey loved Louis because he knew his place according to Honky McGee. They hated Ali and knowing the government who started Nam on a bullshit reason, would have sent Clay to the kill zone to get rid of that trouble maker.

Ali was a G.

[Ghazi]

Well Iran is not on friendly terms with the British either.

More or less if the USA wasn't allied with Israel and Britain the situation would be much different with Iran.
Iran has a mortal enemy in Israel.

[whitemamba]

I never said it wasn't justified, but let's not forget who pulled the majority of the strings there. The UK, who set up shop with British Petroleum in Iran long before the United States ever cared about Iran, Israel, Palestine, and the Middle East. The UK also armed Saddam, had trade embargos against Iran in the run up to that war. They were also one of the few countries to sell Saddam chemical weapons. A British firm even built a fuckin' chlorine factory in the country.

But yeah, all Murrica's fault.

UK Armed Saddam? Lol it was Rumsfeld that was shaking his hand and pledging support. It was the US, stop trying to spin that shit.

[Ghazi]

the #1 world threat to peace is Israel , whose monetary influence controls pretty much all of American foreign politics.

[midnightpulp]

he basically told Mr. Charlie and Ms. Ann to go fuck themselves and not "know his place." Dude gave up prime years to stand up to Whitey when many of Whitey's kids were sent to Canada or had money/political power to receive deferments to stay out of the war. If you were poor white trash or poor and black, you were headed to Nam. They say if he enlisted, he woulda been doing tours like Joe Louis did during WW2. I doubt it. Whitey loved Louis because he knew his place according to Honky McGee. They hated Ali and knowing the government who started Nam on a bullshit reason, would have sent Clay to the kill zone to get rid of that trouble maker.

Ali was a G.

I don't mind anyone not fighting for what they don't believe in, but the bolded point is bullshit, Ash.

You're my dawg, but this kind of simplistic "America didit" malarkey irritates me to no end. Read my breakdown on the previous page. The French ran that region for nearly 100 years, pillaging all of Vietnam's natural resources. A civil war broke out between French/South Vietnam and Communist insurgents. French came to us for help, and what interested Washington was the fact Ho Chi Minh was being backed by the Soviet Union.

The US "started" the Vietnam War as much as a murder victim started something with their murderer.

[whitemamba]

he basically told Mr. Charlie and Ms. Ann to go fuck themselves and not "know his place." Dude gave up prime years to stand up to Whitey when many of Whitey's kids were sent to Canada or had money/political power to receive deferments to stay out of the war. If you were poor white trash or poor and black, you were headed to Nam. They say if he enlisted, he woulda been doing tours like Joe Louis did during WW2. I doubt it. Whitey loved Louis because he knew his place according to Honky McGee. They hated Ali and knowing the government who started Nam on a bullshit reason, would have sent Clay to the kill zone to get rid of that trouble maker.

Ali was a G.
I know, all that is dope shit, that's why I don't understand it lol

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I don't mind anyone not fighting for what they don't believe in, but the bolded point is bullshit, Ash.

You're my dawg, but this kind of simplistic "America didit" malarkey irritates me to no end. Read my breakdown on the previous page. The French ran that region for nearly 100 years, pillaging all of Vietnam's natural resources. A civil war broke out between French/South Vietnam and Communist insurgents. French came to us for help, and what interested Washington was the fact Ho Chi Minh was being backed by the Soviet Union.

The US "started" the Vietnam War as much as a murder victim started something with their murderer.

Midst

[midnightpulp]

UK Armed Saddam? Lol it was Rumsfeld that was shaking his hand and pledging support. It was the US, stop trying to spin that shit.

We did support Saddam in that campaign but we didn't arm him. Political photo ops aren't evidence. I understand you're a naive college student who is likely in his anti-American phase, but you need to put that education to use and actually do some research.

Fact can't be "spun" only cited.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/8/20040908-123000-1796r/?page=all

http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/06/uk.iraq

Any more questions? Or are you in that additional phase that accompanies the anti-American phase that thinks Europe is the friendly, tolerant, cultured and all inclusive society compared to America's imperialist war mongering?

[midnightpulp]

the #1 world threat to peace is Israel , whose monetary influence controls pretty much all of American foreign politics.

Sorry, Ghaz. I don't believe in conspiracy theories (Zionism, with America doing Israel's bidding).

I do agree we should tell Israel to fuck off since I'm tired of the US babysitting them. We essentially agree. But where you see Israel as some kind of calculating super-villain puppet master, I see them as a petulant child prone to tantrums ("We're gonna go Samson option if you don't help us!")

[webshad]

I never defended Kobe's rape.

Clay is a draft dodging coward. His death doesn't change that fact.

Alright, so when Kirby dies, and I say "good riddance, one less rapist in the world", I better not hear you bitching.

For now, Kirby retired from the NBA, good riddance one less rapist in the NBA.

[Ashy Larry]

I don't mind anyone not fighting for what they don't believe in, but the bolded point is bullshit, Ash.

You're my dawg, but this kind of simplistic "America didit" malarkey irritates me to no end. Read my breakdown on the previous page. The French ran that region for nearly 100 years, pillaging all of Vietnam's natural resources. A civil war broke out between French/South Vietnam and Communist insurgents. French came to us for help, and what interested Washington was the fact Ho Chi Minh was being backed by the Soviet Union.

The US "started" the Vietnam War as much as a murder victim started something with their murderer.


that proxy war BS is just as bad. We coulda stayed out of Nam but to say we had boys floating in the Gulf of Tonkin when they weren't was pretty chickenbleep. That's basically what got us into Nam. 50000 cats died on something that didn't happen?? Not cool. No different than the Nazis and Operation Himmler.

[webshad]

he basically told Mr. Charlie and Ms. Ann to go fuck themselves and not "know his place." Dude gave up prime years to stand up to Whitey when many of Whitey's kids were sent to Canada or had money/political power to receive deferments to stay out of the war. If you were poor white trash or poor and black, you were headed to Nam. They say if he enlisted, he woulda been doing tours like Joe Louis did during WW2. I doubt it. Whitey loved Louis because he knew his place according to Honky McGee. They hated Ali and knowing the government who started Nam on a bullshit reason, would have sent Clay to the kill zone to get rid of that trouble maker.

Ali was a G.

Good post!

[Ghazi]

Sorry, Ghaz. I don't believe in conspiracy theories (Zionism, with America doing Israel's bidding).

I do agree we should tell Israel to fuck off since I'm tired of the US babysitting them. We essentially agree. But where you see Israel as some kind of calculating super-villain puppet master, I see them as a petulant child prone to tantrums ("We're gonna go Samson option if you don't help us!")

Shillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz were all Zionist hand picked candidates

:lol at Cruz suggesting Khamenei wants to kill all Americans.

The Zionists and AIPAC do exert some control over American politics.

USA/Iran could possibly even have DIPLOMATIC ties if the USA stopped supporting that cancerous regime, but alas...

[midnightpulp]

that proxy war BS is just as bad. We coulda stayed out of Nam but to say we had boys floating in the Gulf of Tonkin when they weren't was pretty chickenbleep. That's basically what got us into Nam. 50000 cats died on something that didn't happen?? Not cool. No different than the Nazis and Operation Himmler.

We were in Vietnam since 1950. First as advisers to the French and then later assisting the South Vietnamese with counter-insurgency. The war was going to happen regardless. My point was we didn't "start" anything over there. The communists fired the first shot (against the French/South Vietnamese), and us wanting to fight communism, stuck our nose in.

I agree we shouldn't have stuck our nose in, but I understand why we did given the geopolitical climate at the time (Western powers really were fearful of the prospect of the Soviet Union expanding). Also, Ho Chi Minh was no angel (why do you think millions fled Communist Vietnam?), so those 50K died fighting a good fight, for oppressed people.

[Ashy Larry]

We were in Vietnam since 1950. First as advisers to the French and then later assisting the South Vietnamese with counter-insurgency. The war was going to happen regardless. My point was we didn't "start" anything over there. The communists fired the first shot (against the French/South Vietnamese), and us wanting to fight communism, stuck our nose in.

I agree we shouldn't have stuck our nose in, but I understand why we did given the geopolitical climate at the time (Western powers really were fearful of the prospect of the Soviet Union expanding). Also, Ho Chi Minh was no angel (why do you think millions fled Communist Vietnam?), so those 50K died fighting a good fight, for oppressed people.


good point on the oppressed people. Moms in law, who Vietnamese, really dropped the knowledge on me. Just think it helped to "make" us the world's police. Can't have our noses in everything but if we do, it should be equal across the board when it comes to fighting. Rich kids, five deferment Cheney and poor kids all should be overseas in fatigues.

[midnightpulp]

good point on the oppressed people. Moms in law, who Vietnamese, really dropped the knowledge on me. Just think it helped to "make" us the world's police. Can't have our noses in everything but if we do, it should be equal across the board when it comes to fighting. Rich kids, five deferment Cheney and poor kids all should be overseas in fatigues.

No argument there.

[Ashy Larry]

Good post!

you could really see the divide in the country when he came back and was allowed to fight. Conservatives hated him. Liberals loved him. The Sixties really shaped the country and Ali was a huge part of that.

[DMC]

I never defended Kobe's rape.

Clay is a draft dodging coward. His death doesn't change that fact.
You weren't right the 1st time you said. Repeating it doesn't help you. In fact, for the oldest on the forum, you post like you're the youngest (5 or so).

1st, no one force you to shine a chair Dale, not unless you've been pushed up the ladder to a commander rank and even then at Bragg you'd be in SOF or Airborne. So you're a commander of the Rangers or some elite unit?

My ass.

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You weren't right the 1st time you said. Repeating it doesn't help you. In fact, for the oldest on the forum, you post like you're the youngest (5 or so).

1st, no one force you to shine a chair Dale, not unless you've been pushed up the ladder to a commander rank and even then at Bragg you'd be in SOF or Airborne. So you're a commander of the Rangers or some elite unit?

My ass.

That'll look real good on my tombstone. Here lays John Rambo, what is it, Teasal, vagrancy?

[Silver&Black]

and even then at Bragg you'd be in SOF or Airborne. So you're a commander of the Rangers or some elite unit?

Plenty of Signal people, cooks, Military Police, JAG officers, PSYCH OPS, Military Intelligence, Mechanics, Helicopter Pilots, Truck Drivers, Medics, (include about 50 more types of MOS), etc......at Bragg. Not everyone stationed at Bragg is in the 82nd Airborne or Special Forces.

Don't know why you automatically assume everyone at Bragg is in some elite combat unit.

[jeebus]

jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) is a militard faggot who picks his times to be edgy, look at that pussy's avatar..And you're quoting a piece of shit cuck.

That said, had to drop my dimes, RIP to the greatest boxer of his time and maybe of all time. Could talk trash as much as he'd want and back it up. His death is a big one because of what he did for his common folk (black ppl) in his time. I applaud him for dodging the draft. The Vietnam War involvement is one of this country's biggest mistakes.
Not my fault your boy is gonna be dead by the end of the year. Besides, this entire place is one massive troll forum that you're desperately trying to take seriously. Why the butthurtness, brah?

[djohn2oo8]

So Dale is voting for a draft dodger...

[djohn2oo8]

Splits in here splitting new assholes

[Buddy Mignon]

:worthy: Greatest Athlete of all time :worthy:


:worthy: Most important black man in the 20th century :worthy:


I don't think there has ever been a man that was so hated, yet so loved. The world will have a holiday for him soon.

[DMC]

Plenty of Signal people, cooks, Military Police, JAG officers, PSYCH OPS, Military Intelligence, Mechanics, Helicopter Pilots, Truck Drivers, Medics, (include about 50 more types of MOS), etc......at Bragg. Not everyone stationed at Bragg is in the 82nd Airborne or Special Forces.

Don't know why you automatically assume everyone at Bragg is in some elite combat unit.
Because if Dale was some REMF he'd not be here calling Clay a coward while he pushed paper behind the safety of a desk in the CONUS.

[djohn2oo8]

Because if Dale was some REMF he'd not be here calling Clay a coward while he pushed paper behind the safety of a desk in the CONUS.
:lmao

[Splits]

In the name of the greatest people who has ever trod this earth.

Duly noted.

What are your thoughts on MLK?

[Splits]

I'll just bet you do.

Your capitulation is noted.

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Duly noted.

What are your thoughts on MLK?

Were they selling your shit?

[Splits]

?

I don't give a fuck who Bail votes for or not. 99% of the time I can't stand Dale. We just happen to agree on this one issue. I also don't give a flying fuck if you agree or disagree with me over Ali being a draft dodger. I've already stated my opinion on the matter. Countless men (both white and black) answered the call. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the people who got drafted (maybe even the majority of them) didn't agree with Vietnam War...but they still went anyways.

What pisses me off more than anything is you of all people tugging at the heartstrings of the other posters here. :cry I hate racists :cry You're not that guy. You're the same guy who starts a thread about how ugly Kobe's children are....the same guy who laughs at the death of kids who died in a tragic bonfire accident....the same guy who says if he buys the site misogyny will be encouraged not met with banning. (When spurraider and 100%Duncan got banned over Becky comments)

1. Making fun of dead kids = O.k. in your book
2. Misogyny = Encouraged
3. Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) being a racist = Borderline worst thing possible.

I just don't get it bruh. The area where you draw the line between allowed and taboo is shocking to me.

Don't blame me if your tax-payer-funded-because-you-went-camping-for-9-months, bottom-of-the-barrel university education can't teach you how to distinguish between jokes against rivals versus condemning an avowed racist who you're comporting with.

[Splits]

Were they selling your shit?

I've already said yes.

Now, thoughts on MLK?

[spurraider21]

Ali didn't dodge.

One would think that a "law scholar" would know his case was adjudicated at the highest court in this land and his conviction was overturned.
the grounds for the reversal was largely because of a technical/clerical error. i'm not here to get into the deeper legal issues about it.

like i said in the thread in the club, he's the goat boxer, one of the most influential athletes of all time, and i do have respect for what he stood for outside of the ring. that said, i dont look at the draft issue as a positive like others do

[turkish spurs fan]

https://blogofthebeardedone.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/ali-news.png

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Human shield

But he would have dodged the bullets anyway:worthy:


To not be a coward, and a chickenshit.You've nary room, you were shining shoes.

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:worthy:

You've nary room, you were shining shoes.

You're shinin' too, daddy.

[whitemamba]

We did support Saddam in that campaign but we didn't arm him. Political photo ops aren't evidence. I understand you're a naive college student who is likely in his anti-American phase, but you need to put that education to use and actually do some research.

Fact can't be "spun" only cited.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/8/20040908-123000-1796r/?page=all

http://www.solport.com/resources/Iraqi%20Weapons.JPG

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/06/uk.iraq

Any more questions? Or are you in that additional phase that accompanies the anti-American phase that thinks Europe is the friendly, tolerant, cultured and all inclusive society compared to America's imperialist war mongering?
I should have been more clear , I was talking about the weapons that did real damage, the chemical ones , remember those?

[UZER]

:lol This thread is like that scene on the Helicarrier in The Avengers where Banner puts his hands on the staff.

Good banter.

[Chris]

the #1 world threat to peace is Israel , whose monetary influence controls pretty much all of American foreign politics.

I agree. Rothschild Zionists sail this ship. The Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission are the buffers.

[midnightpulp]

I should have been more clear , I was talking about the weapons that did real damage, the chemical ones , remember those?

Did you miss the Guardian article I linked? It's a document ed fact that the UK built that factory. Thatcher even gave the firm who did a tax break :lol

There's no record (that I know of) of the US selling Saddam chemical weapons. However, we did know about him using them and turned the other way since he was an "ally," But truth is Saddam was more France and the UK's buddy then he was ours.

[Splits]

Did you miss the Guardian article I linked? It's a document ed fact that the UK built that factory. Thatcher even gave the firm who did a tax break :lol

There's no record (that I know of) of the US selling Saddam chemical weapons. However, we did know about him using them and turned the other way since he was an "ally," But truth is Saddam was more France and the UK's buddy then he was ours.


http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

[Silver&Black]

Because if Dale was some REMF he'd not be here calling Clay a coward while he pushed paper behind the safety of a desk in the CONUS.

Why wouldn't he? We obviously aren't thinking about the same Dale.

[midnightpulp]

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

Like I said, he was an "ally" and we knew about the bullshit his was doing and chose to turn a blind eye. I'm just dispelling the clearly unfactual myth that the US "armed" Saddam.

When you want the truth, don't read biased history books, don't listen to your college professors, don't rely on personal experience, just simply follow the money.


France was a long-standing commercial partner of Iraq, having taken part in the Turkish Petroleum Company as early as 1924. In the 1970s, Iraq supplied 24 percent of France's oil


France had sold arms to Iraq during the 1966 to 1968 regime of Abd ar Rahman Arif, but increased its sales between 1974 and 1980. Purchases were generally high technology, including aircraft and missiles.[4]


"Between 1977 and 1987, Paris contracted to sell a total of 133 Mirage F-1 fighters to Iraq."


A number of French companies have exported machinery and raw material for the manufacture of chemical weapons to Iraq since 1986, a French magazine reported today.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/21/world/confrontation-in-the-gulf-french-reportedly-sent-iraq-chemical-war-tools.html


The Falluja 2 chlorine plant, 50 miles outside Baghdad, near the Habbaniya airbase, has been pinpointed by the US as an example of a factory rebuilt by Saddam to regain his chemical warfare capability.

But Mr Channon, in line with Mrs Thatcher's policy of propping up the dictator, said: "A ban would do our other trade prospects in Iraq no good".

The British taxpayer was even forced to write a compensation cheque for £300,000 to the German-owned company after final checks on the plant, completed in May 1990, were interrupted by the outbreak of the Gulf war.

For more than a decade, yellowing paper files in a government store have hidden the story of the way £1bn of Whitehall money was thrown away in propping up Saddam Hussein's regime and doing favours for arms firms.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/28/iraq.politics1

But ask any supposed "enlightened," "tolerant" and "educated" citizen of France or the UK why Iraq is Iraq, and they'll reflexively reply, "Murka."

Yeah, we were on board as well, but France and the UK were more deeply involved in that region.

[midnightpulp]

I got photo ops, too, which are a decade older than the "smoking gun" Rumsfeld picture.

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/640492837-french-prime-minister-jacques-chirac-and-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=R4V%2FQay2ANwpmCZhkZDSErcXOCygRTXr4g7%2F8qnPkvts %2BUFqo8dc8qrQ8Y6xfeffAOEwVnEgm%2Bf5ftCPWtUiew%3D% 3D

Saddam actually in France in meeting with Chirac.

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/saddam-hussein-in-france-picture-id166534272

Saddam in France during a 1972 visit:

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000VY7ALWXvJsA/s/800/800/STB200304A-CT-2801.jpg

Can't any more smoking gun than this. Here's Saddam and Chirac admiring a nuclear reactor facility together:

http://digilander.libero.it/asdfghj2/dossier/Jacques-Iraq-aka-Jacques-Chirac_files/jacques_iraq6.jpg

Murkadidit tho

[.G.]

-IZfpGG2cBE

"Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons." "How do you know that?" "Uh, well … we looked at the receipts. But as soon as that check clears, we're goin' in. What time's the bank open? Eight? We're going in at nine. [[They always edit out this fucking part]] We're going in for God and country and freedom and democracy and here's a fetus and he's a Hitler. Whatever you fucking need, let's go. Get motivated behind this, LET'S GO!"

[midnightpulp]

-IZfpGG2cBE

"Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons." "How do you know that?" "Uh, well … we looked at the receipts. But as soon as that check clears, we're goin' in. What time's the bank open? Eight? We're going in at nine. [[They always edit out this fucking part]] We're going in for God and country and freedom and democracy and here's a fetus and he's a Hitler. Whatever you fucking need, let's go. Get motivated behind this, LET'S GO!"

Yeah, Bill Hicks was indeed a respected historian and/or investigative journalist.

Your hero is dead wrong in this instance, because those receipts would clearly say, "Tendered by the Soviet Union, Tendered by France, etc, etc."

And :lol citing Bill Hacks (pun intentional).

[apalisoc_9]

Lol at thinking the US didnt have a signifcant say on UK and France selling weapons.

The US basically told france and the UK to start selling to iraq. A direct command. It ws important for them to do that because of their relationship with the Shah of Iran. So instead lf them doing it by themselves, they had france and uk do the dirty work.

The truth of the matter is that..UK,US, France etc are all one entitiy in terms of foreing affair...the us dictates what they do.

[Silver&Black]

Don't blame me if your tax-payer-funded-because-you-went-camping-for-9-months, bottom-of-the-barrel university education can't teach you how to distinguish between jokes against rivals versus condemning an avowed racist who you're comporting with.

Your idea of jokes and mine aren't the same. Not everyone thinks that shit is funny. You know that stuff is waaaaaaay over the line when you type it. Still you push post quick reply. Just because you think it's a "joke against a rival" doesn't make it okay to do. And I'm not telling you to stop doing it. What makes this site so great is stuff like that. All I'm saying is that I don't understand how some stuff you say is okay and a joke, and a way less serious comment by Thread is taboo.

And I've already told you I'm not with Bail. You can ask him yourself. 99% of the time I talk to Bail...I'm calling him a coward. But, his cowardice comes in the form of cowering to the reading room when the Lakers start out 1-8. Disappearing because a sports team isn't doing well and dodging the draft isn't really comparing apples to apples though IMO. Just because I think that Ali dodged the draft...and since Bail agrees with me....now I'm automatically a racist or I condone racism? In one of my first posts ITT I mentioned two white guys who did the same thing, and I think no better of them than Ali.

Dude, you're one or two posts away from calling me a racist just because I've finally found one thing I agree with Cub on.

[midnightpulp]

Lol at thinking the US didnt have a signifcant say on UK and France selling weapons.

The US basically told france and the UK to start selling to iraq. A direct command. It ws important for them to do that because of their relationship with the Shah of Iran. So instead lf them doing it by themselves, they had france and uk do the dirty work.

The truth of the matter is that..UK,US, France etc are all one entitiy in terms of foreing affair...the us dictates what they do.

[citation needed]

So the US, when they weren't a superpower, were telling France to trade with Iraq way back in the 20's? I suppose the US also told France to colonize Vietnam way back in the 1800s. Yeah, Iran. The US was telling the UK what to do there in the early 1900s (when the UK was basically the world superpower). The whole catalyst for the 1953 Coup De Etat was Mossadeigh choosing to nationalize their oil industry, removing it from British Petroleum's control. We indeed helped, but it was first and foremost a British operation.

[midnightpulp]

And yeah, we told the USSR to arm Iraq, as well :lmao


During the Iran–Iraq War from 1980 to 1988, the Soviet Union (USSR) sold or gave more military equipment and supplies to Iraq than did any other country,[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Ir aq_war

"Murkadidit."

[.G.]

Yeah, Bill Hicks was indeed a respected historian and/or investigative journalist.

Your hero is dead wrong in this instance, because those receipts would clearly say, "Tendered by the Soviet Union, Tendered by France, etc, etc."

And :lol citing Bill Hacks (pun intentional).

Agree to disagree; you wear your uniform and I'll wear mine; to each his own; etc...meh.

Regardless of it all, Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer of all time and most importantly, a man of peace.

[midnightpulp]

Agree to disagree; you wear your uniform and I'll wear mine; to each his own; etc...meh.

Regardless of it all, Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer of all time and most importantly, a man of peace.

Real talk, I am not being "political" here and just taking the US side because I'm a citizen. It is a very well documented fact that both the Soviet Union and France armed Iraq/Saddam more than any other country, and by a significant margin.

Sorry, Hicks was an moron here. Those "amazing weapons" he was talking about were SCUD missiles (a Soviet Weapon), MIGs, Mirages (a French fighter), Crotale SAMs (French). I can go on. So it aggravates me when Hicks (or anyone else) unequivocally says, "We armed Saddam."

Of course you can believe in some kind of conspiracy theory that we "told" France to arm him, but I can't buy that without evidence. It also doesn't make any sense, since US defense contractors would want a piece of that pie. French and Russian firms made millions off Saddam.

Not trying to be a dick, but there's no agree-to-disagree here. Hicks position is simply not supported by the facts.

[apalisoc_9]

The biggest thing during Sadam era was who was benefiting from a foreign policy standpoint. Its pretty well documented that information realeased tl the public with regards to anything foreing related can be an absoutle lie or a misleading truth as evidenced with the snowden files.

There is no reason to use statsitic data used and employed by western agency and even their eastern counterpart.

[midnightpulp]

The biggest thing during Sadam era was who was benefiting from a foreign policy standpoint. Its pretty well documented that information realeased tl the public with regards to anything foreing related can be an absoutle lie or a misleading truth as evidenced with the snowden files.

There is no reason to use statsitic data used and employed by western agency and even their eastern counterpart.

France. Iraq supplied them with 24% of their oil during that period, so it was important for them to buff up his national defense and keep their gravy train safe with weapons that were much more advanced than the Soviet hand-me-downs he had at the time. They even wanted to build a nuclear facility in the country. This was during the early 70's, when the US was still dicking around with Vietnam, so it's a big, big stretch to claim the US was pulling any kind of strings.

Furthermore, a lot this information was kept in relative secret at the time, and it would've taken a "whistleblower" to leak it. Only recently have we learned about what France and UK were doing in the region then, because now, no one really cares. Saddam is dead.

This article is from 2015, for instance:


BRITAIN backed away from a chemical weapons ban on Iraqi tyrant Saddam Hussein in the 1980s after discovering a UK firm supplied him with equipment.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/588468/Margaret-Thatcher-Saddam-Hussein

That would've been a huge scandal if it broke in the 80's. But who's really going to care in 2016?

[whitemamba]

Did you miss the Guardian article I linked? It's a document ed fact that the UK built that factory. Thatcher even gave the firm who did a tax break :lol

There's no record (that I know of) of the US selling Saddam chemical weapons. However, we did know about him using them and turned the other way since he was an "ally," But truth is Saddam was more France and the UK's buddy then he was ours.

Holy shit you cant be that stupid... I know your old and you think you know everything, but even google knows that the US pumped him with cheddar and weapons technology.

http://s33.postimg.org/5e31jekjy/MP_pdf_Page_1.jpg

This is very disappointing that you don't know this or idk, maybe your just brainwashed by Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity, but wake the fuck up man.

[TampaDude]

Holy shit you cant be that stupid... I know your old and you think you know everything, but even google knows that the US pumped him with cheddar and weapons technology.

http://s33.postimg.org/5e31jekjy/MP_pdf_Page_1.jpg

This is very disappointing that you don't know this or idk, maybe your just brainwashed by Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity, but wake the fuck up man.

Iraq was using chemical weapons long before Rumsfeld's visit, though. Let's be fair about this.

[whitemamba]

Iraq was using chemical weapons long before Rumsfeld's visit, though. Let's be fair about this.

Where is the proof my dude? Show me something and enlighten me. That being said, the US was pumping up and arming him, making him stronger in the region because the US was scared of Iran.

[TampaDude]

:worthy: Greatest Athlete of all time :worthy:


:worthy: Most important black man in the 20th century :worthy:


Muhammad Ali was referred to as "the most famous man in the world". He was truly a global icon.

Man, those fights, though...Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, etc...that was truly the golden age of boxing. :hat

Plus, I'll never forget watching him light the flame in Atlanta in 1996. Epic stuff, that. :toast

RIP, brother. You'll be missed.

[DMC]

Why wouldn't he? We obviously aren't thinking about the same Dale.
I don't believe Dale is a poser.

[TampaDude]

Where is the proof my dude? Show me something and enlighten me. That being said, the US was pumping up and arming him, making him stronger in the region because the US was scared of Iran.

It's in the article referenced by the highlighted link. RIF.

[midnightpulp]

Holy shit you cant be that stupid... I know your old and you think you know everything, but even google knows that the US pumped him with cheddar and weapons technology.

http://s33.postimg.org/5e31jekjy/MP_pdf_Page_1.jpg

This is very disappointing that you don't know this or idk, maybe your just brainwashed by Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity, but wake the fuck up man.

No, you're the one propagandized by clickbait headlines from the likes of the Daily fuckin Mail. And :lol at you reflexively calling me a right winger because I don't hold the extremist moonbat opinion that the "US is the most ebil country evar and causes all the world's problems :cry."

I already admitted we knew about Saddam's chemical weapon's program and basically looked the other way. If you want to cite moral fault on our part for that, fair enough. But your claim is that WE SOLD HIM AND ARMED WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS (I'm not yelling, caps are for emphasis). There is no smoking gun record of that, like the German, UK and France examples I cited (from legit sources).

I want actual receipts and paper trails of the US government selling and signing off on sales.

For instance, Project 922 was the primary Iraqi chemical weapons program and it was almost entirely built by the Germans.


Foundation:

Iraqi chemical weapon program assisted by a wide variety of companies and governments .[2][3][4][5][6]

Muthana state establishment built early 1980s under the cover of Pesticide Production plant dubbed "The State Establishment for Pesticide Production"" SEPP", (its name changed later to be Muthanna State Establishment).

German companies helped Iraq to build Muthana facilities such as laboratories, an administrative building, bunkers early 1980s.

Other German companies provided Iraq with 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, sarin, tabun, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of Tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade.

Between 1981 and 1991, Muthana establishment produced over 3,857 tons of chemical weapons agents part of them has been used against Iranian forces and civilian Kurdish.[7]

As TampaDude said, he was already armed to teeth with a successful chemical weapons program that wasn't built by the United States.

From the Frontline (a legit journalistic org.) article in your little screencap:


Last winter, in Baghdad's annual Army Day parade, Hussein displayed some of Iraq's extraordinary arsenal, bought with billions of its oil revenues and with loans from its Arab neighbors. At least half of Iraq's conventional weapons were purchased from its ally, the Soviet Union, but France was also a major source, providing its sophisticated Mirage fighters and deadly Exocet missiles. And there were many others -- China, South Africa, Czechoslovakia, Egypt and Brazil. At one point, in the 1980s, Iraq was the biggest importer of arms in the world.

So we're not on record for selling him conventional weapons.


Officially, most Western nations participated in a total arms embargo against Iraq during the 1980s, but as we shall see in this broadcast, Western companies, primarily in Germany and Great Britain, but also in the United States, sold Iraq the key technology for its chemical, missile, and nuclear programs. As we shall also see, many Western governments seemed remarkably indifferent, if not enthusiastic, about those deals. And here in Washington, the government consistently followed a policy which allowed and perhaps encouraged the extraordinary growth of Saddam Hussein's arsenal and his power.

Iraq's chemical weapons have been developed with the help of German engineers at the Samarra plant. These satellite pictures of the heavily guarded secret plant north of Baghdad reveal some details of the sophisticated installation. Samarra is surrounded by anti-aircraft and anti-missile defenses, and some of its buildings are merely shells, dummies to help thwart any military attack.

See, this where your "brainwashing" comes in. You see "but also in the United States," and quickly conclude "The United States did it all!!!!" The only US firm that sold Saddam agents was DOW, and it was pesticide (which Iraq probably refined for the purpose of weaponizing). But make no mistake, Saddam's conventional and chemical weapons programs were of "enlightened," "tolerant" and "peaceful" European origin.

I'll concede the point that we sold him a few more rounds of "ammunition," (so you got me there to a degree) but you spin it like Saddam was holding his dick until "ebil Murka" came in and showed him how to manufacture chemical weapons. I estimate that we were probably 1-5% of the equation in Saddam's chemical weapons program (if you want to state that is 1-5% too much, I agree. I only ask from you that you place the blame in this regard on who deserves blame the most, and it isn't the United States).

End of the day:


All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.

Further reading:


Fresh information on the Iraqi chemical program; Iraqi money and German brains cooperated in building chemical weapons

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html


I apologize for the German participation in the Kurdish genocide. The
trade of German companies with Saddam’s regime was an illegal act.
They should not have done that. Germany has to tell the people of
Kurdistan that it was a mistake. Gassing Halabja took place with the help
of German companies.1
―Claudia Roth, co-Chair, German Green Party, July 4, 2012

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1442&context=bjil


But yeah, Murkadidit.

[midnightpulp]

Where is the proof my dude? Show me something and enlighten me. That being said, the US was pumping up and arming him, making him stronger in the region because the US was scared of Iran.

See my latest reply to you on the issue that clearly proves Saddam's most successful chemical weapons program was built by the Germans.

I hope you're "enlightened" now.

[whitemamba]

No, you're the one propagandized by clickbait headlines from the likes of the Daily fuckin Mail. And :lol at you reflexively calling me a right winger because I don't hold the extremist moonbat opinion that the "US is the most ebil country evar and causes all the world's problems :cry."

I already admitted we knew about Saddam's chemical weapon's program and basically looked the other way. If you want to cite moral fault on our part for that, fair enough. But your claim is that WE SOLD HIM AND ARMED WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS (I'm not yelling, caps are for emphasis). There is no smoking gun record of that, like the German, UK and France examples I cited (from legit sources).

I want actual receipts and paper trails of the US government selling and signing off on sales.

For instance, Project 922 was the primary Iraqi chemical weapons program and it was almost entirely built by the Germans.



As TampaDude said, he was already armed to teeth with a successful chemical weapons program that wasn't built by the United States.

From the Frontline (a legit journalistic org.) article in your little screencap:



So we're not on record for selling him conventional weapons.



See, this where your "brainwashing" comes in. You see "but also in the United States," and quickly conclude "The United States did it all!!!!" The only US firm that sold Saddam agents was DOW, and it was pesticide (which Iraq probably refined for the purpose of weaponizing). But make no mistake, Saddam's conventional and chemical weapons programs were of "enlightened," "tolerant" and "peaceful" European origin.

I'll concede the point that we sold him a few more rounds of "ammunition," (so you got me there to a degree) but you spin it like Saddam was holding his dick until "ebil Murka" came in and showed him how to manufacture chemical weapons. I estimate that we were probably 1-5% of the equation in Saddam's chemical weapons program (if you want to state that is 1-5% too much, I agree. I only ask from you that you place the blame in this regard on who deserves blame the most, and it isn't the United States).

End of the day:



Further reading:



http://fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html



http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1442&context=bjil


But yeah, Murkadidit.

I will be responding to all of these as soon as i get home mid.

[Spurtacular]

:worthy: Most important black man in the 20th century :worthy:

You must not have that high opinion of black people.

[midnightpulp]

I will be responding to all of these as soon as i get home mid.

I know about the Riegle report. I did understate how many US companies were involved, but like I said, we basically sold him a few more rounds of ammunition after the friendly and enlightened Germans built his plant.