Cavs will look to trade Love

[djohn2oo8]

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A humiliating defeat needs a scapegoat, and Love walks around these days with a wide target on his back. If changes are demanded this offseason, Love will be the asset pushed in trades needed to make them. As one league executive told The Vertical, “If they go out like this, I’m betting on a Kevin Love auction.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-kev...071100761.html

[AlexJones]

Kyrie's the one that should be traded but LeBron isn't smart enough as a GM to realize this

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Yep, he's a white man, and we're blamed for everything.

[lefty]

Kyrie's the one that should be traded but LeBron isn't smart enough as a GM to realize this
Agreed

He is very talented but he is a fucking cancer tbh

[JoeTait75]

Kyrie's the one that should be traded but LeBron isn't smart enough as a GM to realize this

Kyrie at least has the potential to become a good two-way player; he just has to start giving a shit about playing both ends. I'm well-aware of Kyrie's shortcomings but there is no substitute for his type of scoring ability and he still has untapped potential.

Kevin Love on the other end will never be a good two-way player, even if he wants to be. In this series he looks like a 20th-century player going up against a 21st-century opponent. He is who he is. They're probably going to get rid of one of those two; I'd unload Love.

[daslicer]

He should have gone to the Lakers. He still wouldn't have won a championship but atleast he would have been able to enjoy LA. Now he's stuck playing in a shithole and will probably get traded to another shithole.

[DPG21920]

Kyrie at least has the potential to become a good two-way player; he just has to start giving a shit about playing both ends. I'm well-aware of Kyrie's shortcomings but there is no substitute for his type of scoring ability and he still has untapped potential.

Kevin Love on the other end will never be a good two-way player, even if he wants to be. In this series he looks like a 20th-century player going up against a 21st-century opponent. He is who he is. They're probably going to get rid of one of those two; I'd unload Love.

I wouldn't be so sure. Kyrie, when left on his own wasn't even a playoff threat in the East. Sure his teams were bad, but damn. Love, in the West, at least took some pride in trying to win and dragged very below average MIN teams to a hope of the playoffs in a loaded West.

If Kyries calling card is offense where the hell has his offense been this finals?

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He should have gone to the Lakers. He still wouldn't have won a championship but atleast he would have been able to enjoy LA. Now he's stuck playing in a shithole and will probably get traded to another shithole.

-Our- people would have ate him alive. We take our direction from ESPN/Media just like every other asshole in the line, ie,,,Swaggy P. As awful as that pile of shit was he was never cast down by local/national Media. Never. He was propped up and sustained.

They'd have sold Love out, good, or, bad, would've made nary difference.

[Sean Cagney]

Kyrie's the one that should be traded but LeBron isn't smart enough as a GM to realize this

Indeed.

[daslicer]

-Our- people would have ate him alive. We take our direction from ESPN/Media just like every other asshole in the line, ie,,,Swaggy P. As awful as that pile of shit was he was never cast down by local/national Media. Never. He was propped up and sustained.

They'd have sold Love out, good, or, bad, would've made nary difference.

You could be right but it's hard to say which way they would have turned. They could have lynched him like you said or they could have made excuses for him not winning by saying "Love needs more help."

[JoeTait75]

I wouldn't be so sure. Kyrie, when left on his own wasn't even a playoff threat in the East. Sure his teams were bad, but damn. Love, in the West, at least took some pride in trying to win and dragged very below average MIN teams to a hope of the playoffs in a loaded West.

If Kyries calling card is offense where the hell has his offense been this finals?

I guess you could say Solo Love > Solo Kyrie, but it's like arguing over who's the smartest kid in summer school. Most of Love's Minnesota teams wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs in the East, either. Neither of them are capable of carrying a team into contention, that's pretty well established. If you ask which one the Cavaliers should unload, I've got to pick one. I'd keep Kyrie because he's younger and (IMO) has more upside than Love.

As far as Kyrie's performance in the Finals, well, I'm not going to defend him. He's been dogshit. They all have. Not sure what I can tell you there.

[lmbebo]

Everyone was talking about how great Love and Kyrie were building up to the Finals. Finally had a supporting cast. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Now its everything is wrong with them.

I dislike the Warriors, but maybe they've just taken those 2 out of game? Maybe they've exposed the Cavs and the Eastern conference?

[Raven]

i called it a long time ago, for both of them tbh

[DPG21920]

I guess you could say Solo Love > Solo Kyrie, but it's like arguing over who's the smartest kid in summer school. Most of Love's Minnesota teams wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs in the East, either. Neither of them are capable of carrying a team into contention, that's pretty well established. If you ask which one the Cavaliers should unload, I've got to pick one. I'd keep Kyrie because he's younger and (IMO) has more upside than Love.

As far as Kyrie's performance in the Finals, well, I'm not going to defend him. He's been dogshit. They all have. Not sure what I can tell you there.

Record wise - even against tougher comp - Loves team would have made playoffs in the East. I know Kyrie is talented but IMO Love has proven to be the superior player is all I'm saying.

[mavsfan1000]

Record wise - even against tougher comp - Loves team would have made playoffs in the East. I know Kyrie is talented but IMO Love has proven to be the superior player is all I'm saying.
No wonder the Cavs are getting destroyed then. Lebron can't do everything.

[siraulo23]

Paying love that much money :lol frye is doing the same job for the minimum :lol

Paying thompson almost max money to get 3 offensive rebounds a game :lmao

[TheGoldStandard]

Paying love that much money :lol frye is doing the same job for the minimum :lol

Paying thompson almost max money to get 3 offensive rebounds a game :lmao


Dan Gilbert is a turd. Should have told Lebron to kick rocks when he wanted to come back. That team is a huge clusterfuck of overpaid average players who look decent in the East.

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Dan Gilbert is a turd. Should have told Lebron to kick rocks when he wanted to come back. That team is a huge clusterfuck of overpaid average players who look decent in the East.

He did the only thing he could. Put Humpty back together again & set him out front. That wasn't life & death when James left, but, it was like that. It was a near mirage when he returned. He doesn't have to ring. He has to be eligible.

[spursistan]

Dan Gilbert is a turd. Should have told Lebron to kick rocks when he wanted to come back. That team is a huge clusterfuck of overpaid average players who look decent in the East.

Pretty much....

[Kawhitstorm]

Kyrie/Love out, CP3/Melo in

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Kyrie/Love out, CP3/Melo in

Nothing will get done.

[TheGoldStandard]

He did the only thing he could. Put Humpty back together again & set him out front. That wasn't life & death when James left, but, it was like that. It was a near mirage when he returned. He doesn't have to ring. He has to be eligible.

Humpty is too busy playing that jukebox in the corner playing their favorite song by three dog night. The nights get warmer but it won't last long because the summer is coming. But the boys are indeed back in town just waiting for an alibi till the heroin kicks in

[LkrFan]

They need to trade LeHype for cap space tbh

[AlexJones]

Btw there is no worse practice in sports than paying guys based on playoff (low sample size) performance. Cavs fluke run last year sort of fucked them for the future

[AlexJones]

Everybody overrates the concept of high pressure situations. Yes, having Horry is nice but if that clown ever asks for $40 mil I tell him to fuck right off.

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Everybody overrates the concept of high pressure situations. Yes, having Horry is nice but if that clown ever asks for $40 mil I tell him to fuck right off.

Easy to say that now. The tumult is over. He's already loitered an arc, exhibited the patience of a rock.

"Nice." tee, hee.

[AlexJones]

Easy to say that now. The tumult is over. He's already loitered an arc, exhibited the patience of a rock.

"Nice." tee, hee.
Career league average player who made open shots off of Shaq double teams. Missed an open GW against the Spurs that would've led to a 4peat.

[~O~]

It took most of you two years to become informed about how mediocre Cleveland was and the true state of the cavaliers. Smh.

Some of you already sunk low enough to root for that cluster fuck of a team, Cleveland. I couldn't even stomach you guys backing method after 12 13 14. They were essentially miami heat west with more of a choking mentality.

Trading lebron would be the best thing Cleveland could ever do ever. Turnover his value before he takes a dive.

[Ice009]

Everyone was talking about how great Love and Kyrie were building up to the Finals. Finally had a supporting cast. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Now its everything is wrong with them.

I dislike the Warriors, but maybe they've just taken those 2 out of game? Maybe they've exposed the Cavs and the Eastern conference?

I don't think people have thought about the teams and level of competition Cleveland had to face in the East to get here. They looked great playing against Eastern conference teams, so IMO it was pretty hard to gauge how good they really were. Before the playoffs started, I thought any of the top 4 West teams could/would have a chance to beat them. Earlier in the playoffs I kind of changed my mind as I thought they were playing awesome and that they had a real chance to win it, but then I kind of had to remind myself who they were doing it against.

[daslicer]

It took most of you two years to become informed about how mediocre Cleveland was and the true state of the cavaliers. Smh.

Some of you already sunk low enough to root for that cluster fuck of a team, Cleveland. I couldn't even stomach you guys backing method after 12 13 14. They were essentially miami heat west with more of a choking mentality.

Trading lebron would be the best thing Cleveland could ever do ever. Turnover his value before he takes a dive.

:lol Yes because everybody should worship the Warriors.

[~O~]

On topic, how is trading love going to change any damn thing. They'll still need to build new plays aND gain chemistry yet again. KeVin love isn't a major asset and has awful value compared to what it was in Minnesota. There is no saving Cleveland.

[~O~]

:lol Yes because everybody should worship the Warriors.

And that's the problem. The denial. Im not asking anyone lick their fucking toes. Im asking you most of stop being delusional douchebags. You were one the various shitty posters saying the warriors were lucky, exposed, etc. On the basis of blind faith. While I sat here looking at
at the advanced stats every other week seeing what makes golden state elite; comparing and contrasting stats, players and teams.

I can handle when. Legitimate teams with. Like the pistons in, the mavericks, the spurs and warriors.

This forum majority members as well as sports forums in general are scared shitless of stats or mathematics in general. After all, the US has become terrible in the field and engineering; Michio Kaku.

[Dex]

Kyrie's the one that should be traded but LeBron isn't smart enough as a GM to realize this

Bad defense notwithstanding, Kyrie does so much more for CLE than Love does, especially the way that they use Love (aka as a rich man's Matt Bonner).

[daslicer]

And that's the problem. The denial. Im not asking anyone lick their fucking toes. Im asking you most of stop being delusional douchebags. You were one the various shitty posters saying the warriors were lucky, exposed, etc. On the basis of blind faith. While I sat here looking at
at the advanced stats every other week seeing what makes golden state elite; comparing and contrasting stats, players and teams.

I can handle when. Legitimate teams with. Like the pistons in, the mavericks, the spurs and warriors.

This forum majority members as well as sports forums in general are scared shitless of stats or mathematics in general. After all, the US has become terrible in the field and engineering; Michio Kaku.

Actually that's not true I was one of the few that gave credit to the Warriors last summer for winning it all and did say they were legit. Dig up all my old posts about the Warriors from the fall of 2014 up until now and you will see I acknowledged them as a great team. Seriously bump a thread where I said they were a fluke team. You wouldn't be able to do so because I never said they were a fluke. Basically in your eyes if people are not dick sucking the Warriors then they are not acknowledging them as a legit team. You are definitely what I call a certified crazy person.

[The Gemini Method]

It's hard to imagine him wanting to stay if they lose this series (I imagine they will). He had to endure being the scapegoat for the shortcomings. I think they will move him. Probably while they still can get some pieces for him. I wonder though, are there going to be any willing trade partners for how much his contract is? It is also a caveat that he resides in the well-documented Eastern Conference. So it may behoove both parties to give it a go w/ new pieces around the Big 3 of Cleveland. But, it may all depend on what happens with the remainder of the season.

[JoeTait75]

Record wise - even against tougher comp - Loves team would have made playoffs in the East. I know Kyrie is talented but IMO Love has proven to be the superior player is all I'm saying.

Which is fine. The thing about Love is that, IMO, he has pretty much gotten everything out of his athletic ability already. To a certain extent he's an overachiever. Kyrie on the other hand still hasn't gotten everything out of his own athletic ability. I mean, there is really no reason why Kyrie can't be a better defensive player than he is.

Another thing about Love is he has some chronic physical issues- his back, namely. That isn't going to go away. Kyrie has been hurt a lot but he doesn't really have recurring injuries in any one place.

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Which is fine. The thing about Love is that, IMO, he has pretty much gotten everything out of his athletic ability already. To a certain extent he's an overachiever. Kyrie on the other hand still hasn't gotten everything out of his own athletic ability. I mean, there is really no reason why Kyrie can't be a better defensive player than he is.

Another thing about Love is he has some chronic physical issues- his back, namely. That isn't going to go away. Kyrie has been hurt a lot but he doesn't really have recurring injuries in any one place.

Irving plays a different brand, a different method of basketball according to the importance of the game. It's maddening and frustrating. There is no rhyme or reason to this habit.

[DMC]

Cleveland is doing just fine. So what they lose, they played as many games as the champion and sold as many tickets (assuming they get swept). All is good in Gilbertland. Rings are fan candy.

[mavsfan1000]

:lol

[Chillen]

What's the point of making any changes with this roster when they just won an NBA title? stay put and add some pieces and defend your championship.

[mavsfan1000]

What's the point of making any changes with this roster when they just won an NBA title? stay put and add some pieces and defend your championship.
They were down 0-2 to the Warriors I believe when this topic came up. Always funny to bump an old thread where everyone was wrong.

[HarlemHeat37]

They should still trade him, tbh, it's their only opportunity to improve a flawed roster..

[mavsfan1000]

They should still trade him, tbh, it's their only opportunity to improve a flawed roster..
Nah he helps with rebounding and spacing. Always good to have a power forward that is a threat from the outside. Especially on teams with Lebron James. He was huge in game 7.

[HarlemHeat37]

Nah he helps with rebounding and spacing. Always good to have a power forward that is a threat from the outside. Especially on teams with Lebron James. He was huge in game 7.

He was pretty useless for most of the playoffs, tbh..I'm a fan of Love, but his weight loss has really hurt his rebounding ability, and he doesn't fit well in his Cleveland role..

I don't think they will trade him, since they just won the title, but they could use much better role players around Lebron and Irving(only Tristan Thompson and Jefferson showed up, for the most part)..

[tlongII]

They should still trade him, tbh, it's their only opportunity to improve a flawed roster..

It's a flawed roster that just won an NBA championship.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's a flawed roster that just won an NBA championship.

Sure, but they were a Green suspension away from an embarrassing Finals loss..

Their roster is very flawed, can't keep relying on super-human Lebron performances as he continues to age and rack up the mileage..

[Raven]

It's a flawed roster that just won an NBA championship.

meh, lebron literally won it by himself with some help on rebounding and a massive choke by draymond. Not really much of a win, sometimes the best team just doesn't win.

[gambit1990]

kyrie's stock is high tbh...

if i'm the FO i'd find out what a team would give up to get him.

[Spurs9]

Wade incoming?

[tlongII]

Who cares how they won? Then won. I would not advocate breaking up a championship team.

[DPG21920]

Who cares how they won? Then won. I would not advocate breaking up a championship team.

Sure but you also think POR is good so we take your words with a grain of salt.

[tlongII]

Sure but you also think POR is good so we take your words with a grain of salt.

My recollection is that Portland made it as deep into the playoffs as the Spurs did.

[DPG21920]

My recollection is that Portland made it as deep into the playoffs as the Spurs did.

Congrats on your made it as far as the Spurs did banner!

[JoeTait75]

kyrie's stock is high tbh...

if i'm the FO i'd find out what a team would give up to get him.

I don't think Kyrie is going to be on the block.

[DPG21920]

My recollection is that Portland made it as deep into the playoffs as the Spurs did.

I was just giving you a hard time btw...POR had a very good year.

[Spurtacular]

quote:
A humiliating defeat needs a scapegoat, and Love walks around these days with a wide target on his back. If changes are demanded this offseason, Love will be the asset pushed in trades needed to make them. As one league executive told The Vertical, “If they go out like this, I’m betting on a Kevin Love auction.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-kev...071100761.html

Makes sense. He's the Tony Parker of their organization.

[Spurtacular]

On topic, how is trading love going to change any damn thing. They'll still need to build new plays aND gain chemistry yet again. KeVin love isn't a major asset and has awful value compared to what it was in Minnesota. There is no saving Cleveland.

You 12 years old?

[ambchang]

You 12 years old?

Trying to warn him of Cully?

[Clipper Nation]

The Cavs aren't going to break up a title team, they aren't owned by C:lolban.

[gambit1990]

I don't think Kyrie is going to be on the block.
cavs should try to trade him for westbrook.