Soccer "More and more Americans like watching people kick round balls"

[Kawhitstorm]

Excessive muscle mass in the legs can also cause cramping. More muscle mass=more oxygen required=more lactic acid build up.

http://fivereasonwhy.weebly.com/uploads/4/4/2/7/44278685/9912799_orig.jpg

Look at that shit. Ronaldo is built more like an NFL wide receiver than a soccer player. Messi has the ideal skinny fat build (see how he has no leg muscle definition) for the sport.

Messi dealt with growth hormone deficiency as a kid so you won't see him w/ bulging muscles unless he's taking HGH.:lol

On the other hand, Ronaldo has a typical leg muscle definition of a futbol player gained from years-&-years of sprinting since they first started walking. Just look at his teammate Bale who is of similar size:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/29/11/33A6704B00000578-0-image-a-31_1461927197572.jpg

Even I have big calf/thigh muscles even though I'm a fairly slim person (thanks to Futbol).:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

What about offensive lineman? They're specialized and the majority of them are grossly overweight.

Again, scrums are nothing more than sumo wrestling in pads.

[midnightpulp]

What about offensive lineman? They're specialized and the majority of them are grossly overweight.

I don't get his argument concerning specialization here anyhow. Pretty much all sports have specialized positions that don't require the player to have an overall skill set (all NFL positions are actually specialized. Goalies in soccer. Goalies in hockey. Bigs in basketball. A great big can be a great basketball player without ever learning how to dribble, drive, and shoot).

[Pelicans78]

I don't get his argument concerning specialization here anyhow. Pretty much all sports have specialized positions that don't require the player to have an overall skill set (all NFL positions are actually specialized. Goalies in soccer. Goalies in hockey. Bigs in basketball. A great big can be a great basketball player without ever learning how to dribble, drive, and shoot).

It's what the poverty ball supporters try to use against baseball even though their own sport has specialized players as well.

[midnightpulp]

It's what the poverty ball supporters try to use against baseball even though their own sport has specialized players as well.

Usain Bolt is the most specialized elite athlete in the world, and he's celebrated as the "world's greatest athlete" because he can run fast in a straight line over a short distance (he's not the world's greatest track athlete, though. Ashton Eaton is.) Not trying to denigrate Bolt. My point is we don't see all the training and work Bolt puts in just to run those 100 meters.

Baseball is similar. These guys are killing it in the weight room, training up their explosiveness, taking hours of batting practice, just to excel over those few moments when they're at bat and need to make a play in the field.

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Baseball is similar. These guys are killing it in the weight room, training up their explosiveness, taking hours of batting practice, just to excel over those few moments when they're at bat and need to make a play in the field.

Then if they're successful they fail 7 out of 10 times.

[spursistan]

The Mendoza Line is a pretty obscure factoid to know for someone who lives abroad that presumably hates baseball.

So Canada then? Or Northern Mexico?

:lol Assuming I'm a redneck because I hate soccer.

I liked it once upon a time. Dennis Bergkamp was my favorite player as a kid, but when I grew more into a hardcore sports fan, soccer game's design started to turn me off more and more. As I said in my first post: Poor comeback factor, poor counter-punch dynamic, predictable scoring line variation, too many ties, minigame to decide winners, diving, more diving, fouls in the box are disproportionally awarded.

Damn, you lurking on the soccer subforum or a coincidence :wow ? http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261276

you couldn't go wrong there..Berkamp's goal here is probably worth all Baseball highlights this season..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqZi-1YUAEo

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't get his argument concerning specialization here anyhow. Pretty much all sports have specialized positions that don't require the player to have an overall skill set (all NFL positions are actually specialized. Goalies in soccer. Goalies in hockey. Bigs in basketball. A great big can be a great basketball player without ever learning how to dribble, drive, and shoot).

Linesmen & sumo wrestlers are the only athletes in any sports were being morbidly obese is advantageous.:lol

(You even admitted a couple of obese Biesbol players would be better player if they weren't Charlotte Boris Diaw status but that hasn't stopped 'em from winning MVPs b/c the sport requires the bare minimum athleticism to dominate)

Besides, Hakeem was a goal keeper but wasn't good enough to make it despite size/athleticism being advantageous for the position.:wakeup

[midnightpulp]

Linesmen & sumo wrestlers are the only athletes in any sports were being morbidly obese is advantageous.:lol

(You even admitted a couple of obese Biesbol players would be better player if they weren't Charlotte Boris Diaw status but that hasn't stopped 'em from winning MVPs b/c the sport requires the bare minimum athleticism to dominate)

Besides, Hakeem was a goal keeper but wasn't good enough to make it despite size/athleticism being advantageous for the position.:wakeup

All moot if Hakeem's reaction time is relatively poor by worldclass goal keeper standards.

Again, which MVP winners were fat?

Cabrera?

Doesn't look obese to me here.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/ab/e4/abe45e8c9181458dde937aba2434ac8f.jpg?itok=lArf82ep

CC winning the Cy Young?

That's really the only example. Like I've said, there's always exception where a player beats the odds. Furthermore, being a MLB starting pitcher in the modern era is probably the most demanding job in pro sports (why do you think they need 4 days off after each start?).

Just look at the fastballs thrown and velocity decline from age 25-29.

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/TMTMeY211HgamHxwTI1n9eGZcPs=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2524754/Pitcher_Fastball_Velocity.0.png

And it's almost guaranteed now a starting pitcher will need Tommy John at some point. See Tim Lincecum. Future GOAT to done overnight.

[midnightpulp]

Linesmen & sumo wrestlers are the only athletes in any sports were being morbidly obese is advantageous.:lol

(You even admitted a couple of obese Biesbol players would be better player if they weren't Charlotte Boris Diaw status but that hasn't stopped 'em from winning MVPs b/c the sport requires the bare minimum athleticism to dominate)

Besides, Hakeem was a goal keeper but wasn't good enough to make it despite size/athleticism being advantageous for the position.:wakeup

Not true, actually.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/24ad9299f7cc1934c188e6dc80df2f97?AccessKeyId=02DE7 1B8E25D4AA4AC18&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/8/81/ForemanKOMoorer.jpg/300px-ForemanKOMoorer.jpg

And endurance/stamina wise, wrestling and boxing>>>>>>>soccer.

I'm not just talking shit. Those sports are insanely demanding. And for my money, boxing is probably the most demanding sport on earth across the board, from the training to the actual match.

It also makes sense from an endurance perspective (for someone who is just naturally strong, like Gardner or Foreman). If you just need weight but not necessarily more strength, it's probably better to get "fatter" rather than put on more muscle mass, since muscles obviously demand more oxygen, reducing stamina.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not true, actually.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/24ad9299f7cc1934c188e6dc80df2f97?AccessKeyId=02DE7 1B8E25D4AA4AC18&disposition=0&alloworigin=1



Garner wasn't morbidly obese & didn't have a pot belly, he's a naturally stocky dude w/ country boy strength. He blew up when he was inactive ala Barkley.:lol






http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/8/81/ForemanKOMoorer.jpg/300px-ForemanKOMoorer.jpg



Fat Foreman LOST every time he faced anyone that actually beat a LEGIT heavyweight: Holyfield/Morrison/Briggs. He became a champion by beating Moorer who was a blown up light-heavyweight that held the title b/c Holyfield basically had a heart attack in the ring. Holyfield had battered Foreman before he lost the title & made Moorer retire in their re-match.

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And endurance/stamina wise, wrestling and boxing>>>>>>>soccer.

It depends on the style of the fighter & the position of the Futbol player. Foreman barely moves & he can take punches b/c of his enormous size. Grappling can be pretty uneventful if they are just pinning each other. Besides, there are no timeouts in futbol & wingers/mid-fielders have to move nonstop. (There is a reason why cramps are more common in futbol that any other sport)


I'm not just talking shit. Those sports are insanely demanding. And for my money, boxing is probably the most demanding sport on earth across the board, from the training to the actual match.

Boxing has 3 minute rounds w/ breaks & depending of the style of the fighter they can just get on their bikes or tie up if they need a break. Floyd barely get gassed b/c he doesn't get hit & does AEROBIC exercises like futbol players instead of pumping iron.


It also makes sense from an endurance perspective (for someone who is just naturally strong, like Gardner or Foreman). If you just need weight but not necessarily more strength, it's probably better to get "fatter" rather than put on more muscle mass, since muscles obviously demand more oxygen, reducing stamina.

Except if you do aerobic exercise at an elite level then there won't be any fat on your body.:lol

I've seen a couple of middle distance runner built like Ronaldo but I've yet to see a chubby one.:lol

[Splits]

Flopper

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[TheGreatYacht]

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So that's what caused the shaking around my house :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

All moot if Hakeem's reaction time is relatively poor by worldclass goal keeper standards.

So I guess all you need isn't endurance to be a professional futbol player?:lol


Doesn't look obese to me here.

http://s3-media3.ak.yelpcdn.com/ephoto/pa9BdBx_a40hZdTUxpJBZw/l.jpg



CC winning the Cy Young? That's really the only example.

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/6/10413/z10413646O.jpg



Like I've said, there's always exception where a player beats the odds. Furthermore, being a MLB starting pitcher in the modern era is probably the most demanding job in pro sports (why do you think they need 4 days off after each start?).

Everyone wants to be a power pitcher but they don't have the body for it, knuckle ballers can pitch everyday in their 40s.:lol


Just look at the fastballs thrown and velocity decline from age 25-29.

Randy Johnson/Pedro/Clemens & 'em were throwing heat in their mid 30s but today's athletes::lol



And it's almost guaranteed now a starting pitcher will need Tommy John at some point. See Tim Lincecum. Future GOAT to done overnight.

That's b/c they abuse their undeveloped bodies playing Little league & abuse PEDs in the majors.:lol

[midnightpulp]

Garner wasn't morbidly obese & didn't have a pot belly, he's a naturally stocky dude w/ country boy strength. He blew up when he was inactive ala Barkley.:lol

Depends on your definition of morbidly obese. Gardner's love handles are spilling out of his wrestling tights in that picture.

http://65.media.tumblr.com/9a49e2fbef5d55c76d471d6a6dedecb9/tumblr_npw4ebW64U1u007rno8_400.jpg



Fat Foreman LOST every time he faced anyone that actually beat a LEGIT heavyweight: Holyfield/Morrison/Briggs. He became a champion by beating Moorer who was a blown up light-heavyweight that held the title b/c Holyfield basically had a heart attack in the ring. Holyfield had battered Foreman before he lost the title & made Moorer retire in their re-match.


Fat Foreman still had 4 successful title defenses following his win over Moorer. And he was almost 50 and basically obese! Fat Foreman also beat Coetzer in his run up to qualifying for the title shot against Moorer. Coetzer wasn't an all-time great or anything, but a solid boxer in his prime.

And in K-1/MMA Mark Hunt was always pretty fat.

http://k-1sport.de/gallery/000945b.jpg


I've seen a couple of middle distance runner built like Ronaldo but I've yet to see a chubby one.:lol

I was talking about sports where you need a good deal of stamina in addition to massive upper body strength: Sumo, NFL lineman, Wrestling, Boxing, etc. Someone built like this would get gassed in 5 seconds.

http://i.imgur.com/bkDQs.jpg

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

mid regulating povertyball :lol

[Sean Cagney]

I'm confused ... Is baseball supposed to be a sport ? The good players are juicing and the bad ones are fat.

In the 80's yes, early 90's too maybe, after that hell no...... Sides a player or two. Baseball is dead and has been dead to me for years now.

[midnightpulp]

So I guess all you need isn't endurance to be a professional futbol player?:lol

I never stated that's all you need.

Colon wasn't grossly overweight when he won the Cy Young.

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/53239337-pitcher-bartolo-colon-of-the-anaheim-angels-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QF02RLR4LbxfRsoEOCCoqbrKUHwH UX3atoPX2pfE8jFFh%2FctKtiRGfxFP9qKSeeBJA%3D%3D


Everyone wants to be a power pitcher but they don't have the body for it, knuckle ballers can pitch everyday in their 40s.:lol

And knuckle-ballers are dice rolls every time they take the mound. They can go from a having a good season/good game to implosion.


Randy Johnson/Pedro/Clemens & 'em were throwing heat in their mid 30s but today's athletes::lol

Exceptions.

Fun fact: A pitcher burns about 1000-1400 calories over a 9 inning game.


In a standard nine-inning game, a pitcher will burn about 1,440 calories, according to Eugene Coleman’s book “52-Week Baseball Training.”

That's roughly in the same zone as soccer.


Soccer is an effective way to stay in shape, but it won't help you burn calories as quickly as playing a game of football. Harvard Medical School notes that a 185-pound person who plays soccer for 30 minutes will burn 311 calories. As with football, consider the amount of time you spend on the field during a 90-minute soccer match. Although soccer burns calories slightly slower than football, you can still burn more than 900 calories if you play the entire match. As such, a full game of soccer can burn more calories than a full game of football.

Running around isn't the only way to stress your body. In fact, it's the easiest thing to train for. It's why all the unathletic, weak and uncoordinated kids usually try out for cross-country in high school :lol

[webshad]

In the 80's yes, early 90's too maybe, after that hell no...... Sides a player or two. Baseball is dead and has been dead to me for years now.

Same.

Remember McGuire and Bonds hitting all these HRs while juicing up. Utter embarrassment for baseball.

[Sean Cagney]

Same.

Remember McGuire and Bonds hitting all these HRs while juicing up. Utter embarrassment for baseball.
That is when I stopped watching man, it was over then.

[Gummi Clutch]

one of my friends spends his entire day watching soccer games, its definitely become a big plague

[webshad]

That is when I stopped watching man, it was over then.

These cheaters stole millions from the fan and got away with it.

Now, imagine all those who didn't get caught.

[Clipper Nation]

mid regulating povertyball :lol

[spursistan]

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[dfens]

This wanker midnightpup (faggot name tbh) just clogged an entire thread with pics of shirtless overweight :monkey, son just go on spread the cheeks and ask one of them for the dick tbh.

[Stalin]

This wanker midnightpup (faggot name tbh) just clogged an entire thread with pics of shirtless overweight :monkey, son just go on spread the cheeks and ask one of them for the dick tbh.


:lol

[spursistan]

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only Trump can save us from "poverty ball" :cry

[Barfunk]

I respect soccer, but no way is it more entertaining than the NBA and NFL, LOL. Just my opinion, but most non-Americans beg to differ. I personally don't see what the hell most foreigners see in soccer over American Football and Basketball. I'd rather watch a chess game than soccer. Sure they have the occasional spectacular goal, but that hardly ever happens with the ridiculously low scores that usually take place.

[spursistan]

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"Poverty kids" in America going nuts for Messi :cry

[Stan]

America likes trendy retro shit. No surprise. "Hey remember this old antiquated thing? Let's go back to that!" Americans get bored of their popular modern sports from time to time, and so they temporarily get into some simple ancient sport for a while.

[midnightpulp]

I respect soccer, but no way is it more entertaining than the NBA and NFL, LOL. Just my opinion, but most non-Americans beg to differ. I personally don't see what the hell most foreigners see in soccer over American Football and Basketball. I'd rather watch a chess game than soccer. Sure they have the occasional spectacular goal, but that hardly ever happens with the ridiculously low scores that usually take place.

Foreigners are pretty much grandfathered in to loving the sport. Real talk here. It can be amazing at times, but I do wholeheartedly believe its game design is outdated, a design that doesn't balance the "tension" with enough payoffs. I'm casually following the Euros and Copa America, just for the purpose of witnessing 3rd worlder meltdowns when their team loses, and as I've said, 90% of the scores are some 3-2, 2-1, 1-0, or tie variation.

Look as this shit (and there were two more ties today):

http://oi67.tinypic.com/r9536e.jpg

You simply don't get that punch-counterpunch-punch dynamic as much in soccer as you do in other sports. Another big advantage football, basketball, baseball, and even rugby and Aussie rules have is that you can win a game in the last moments facing a deficit (down 2 in basketball, a 3 wins it. Down 6 in football, a TD wins it. Down 2 runs in baseball, a 3 run homer wins it, etc). In soccer, the best you can is tie and go into overtime.

I gave it a chance once, and it's an okay sport, but it's just not captivating enough for me. What usually makes soccer games entertaining is the fan involvement rather than the game itself. Wild crowds can make anything "exciting." That's one cue US sports fans need to take from soccer fans. They simply never stop cheering, even during a mind-numbingly boring park-the-bus 0-0 snoozefest.

[Canyonero]

You simply don't get that punch-counterpunch-punch dynamic as much in soccer as you do in other sports. Another big advantage football, basketball, baseball, and even rugby and Aussie rules have is that you can win a game in the last moments facing a deficit (down 2 in basketball, a 3 wins it. Down 6 in football, a TD wins it. Down 2 runs in baseball, a 3 run homer wins it, etc). In soccer, the best you can is tie and go into overtime.

I gave it a chance once, and it's an okay sport, but it's just not captivating enough for me. What usually makes soccer games entertaining is the fan involvement rather than the game itself. Wild crowds can make anything "exciting." That's one cue US sports fans need to take from soccer fans. They simply never stop cheering, even during a mind-numbingly boring park-the-bus 0-0 snoozefest.

What?

[z0sa]

Then if they're successful they fail 7 out of 10 times.

That's a testament to the competition, not some systemic failure.

[z0sa]

Soccer is great fun to watch. Especially considering I didn't know shit about any of the premiere league teams and met a die hard ManU fan in Florida who converted me into the legions I didn't know existed. It's cool rooting for a Lakers/Yankees type team and not feeling guilty about it :lol

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That's a testament to the competition, not some systemic failure.

I'm just talking about reality.

[z0sa]

I'm just talking about reality.

Perception is reality, friend. didn't you figure that out trippin acid back in the day?

[UZER]

I'm cool with soccer, but they need to start fining players for flopping.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm cool with soccer, but they need to start fining players for flopping.

They do actually suspend players..millionaries dont care about 50k fines bro. Chances are at a national level..the government will pay for it

[UZER]

They do actually suspend players..millionaries dont care about 50k fines bro. Chances are at a national level..the government will pay for it

Well whatever it is, they need to do something bout it. Sure there is flopping in other sports, but it's just it's on a whole different level in soccer. It's hard to fully respect the sport when someone falls to the ground writhing in pain on the floor every 3 minutes, only to get back up and keep playing.

[K...]

What?

I see his point. You have the chance to shoot for a win in NBA. In soccer you are either one down and trying to tie, or tied looking to go ahead. There isn't a a dramatic shot. Now if youmade goals in soccer worth 2 points in the last 2 mintues (and extra time) you could shut up Mid's point.

[K...]

now that i'm thinking....goals in soccer should be worth 3 pts. Penalties worth 1-3 penalty kicks on goal worth one point each depending on severity. More shots on goal, more stoppage time, more convaluted scoring. Thats what america wants.

[Canyonero]

I see his point. You have the chance to shoot for a win in NBA. In soccer you are either one down and trying to tie, or tied looking to go ahead. There isn't a a dramatic shot. Now if youmade goals in soccer worth 2 points in the last 2 mintues (and extra time) you could shut up Mid's point.

Yes, I understood what he said. My "what?" referred to his wrong conclusion. There have been many comebacks in the last minutes of a football match. For example this Champions League final.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVjAP9iq_YU