Spurs reportedly looking to move up in 2016 NBA draft

[montgod]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2637898-2016-nba-draft-prospects-breaking-down-future-of-kentuckys-tyler-ulis

Best comparison: Muggsy Bogues :lol Nothing against Muggsy but ugh.

....with a deteriorating hip. Sounds like a D Butler type of draft pick.

[poeticism707]

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UGGGHHH!

C'mon Spurs,

can't you find a pg over 6'3???

Stop with the midget hunting!!!

[TheGoldStandard]

UGGGHHH!

C'mon Spurs,

can't you find a pg over 6'3???

Stop with the midget hunting!!!

It would protect Tony's starting job.

:pop: Hey, don't look at me.. I drafted a PG

[montgod]

Ultis could also just be a fallback option with them doing their homework in case they can't trade up in the draft.

[loveforthegame]

Spurs couldn't find someone shorter?

Ullis wouldn't be a bad pick if I hadn't soured on other teams exposing our short pgs the last few years.

[TheGoldStandard]

Ultis could also just be a fallback option with them doing their homework in case they can't trade up in the draft.

I'd rather go with someone with height and athleticism as a fall back regardless of who gets taken. Tired of undersized midgets or drafting positions we don't need

[look_at_g_shred]

I'd rather go with someone with height and athleticism as a fall back regardless of who gets taken. Tired of undersized midgets or drafting positions we don't need
:pop: He's got feistiness

[TheGoldStandard]

:pop: He's got feistiness

:pop: He's gotten over himself, at 5'9 I think everyone has..

[RD2191]

According to his wiki Ulis was the SEC player of the year and the SEC defensive player of the year. Don't watch much college ball so don't know what weight those awards carry in the SEC.

[look_at_g_shred]

:pop: He's gotten over himself, at 5'9 I think everyone has..
:lmao

[TheGoldStandard]

According to his wiki Ulis was the SEC player of the year and the SEC defensive player of the year. Don't watch much college ball so don't know what weight those awards carry in the SEC.

Absolutely nothing.

[RD2191]

Ulis doesn't look that bad in our range. Dude is a great ball handler and a solid playmaker according to DX. Let's not forget our bench looked like shit this season and could use a playmaker/scorer if Manu retires.

[TheGoldStandard]

Ulis doesn't look that bad in our range. Dude is a great ball handler and a solid playmaker according to DX. Let's not forget our bench looked like shit this season and could use a playmaker/scorer if Manu retires.

Don't do it... don't buy in..

[NASpurs]

Ulis doesn't look that bad in our range. Dude is a great ball handler and a solid playmaker according to DX. Let's not forget our bench looked like shit this season and could use a playmaker/scorer if Manu retires.

Yeah i was watching his strengths video on DX and he's exactly the type of PG the Spurs need... too bad about the height thing. Not going to lie, it got me a little hyped. But picking that late in the first round, you know your pick is going to have a serious flaw.

[Drom John]

I swear, between Drom John and me, we made SOOOO many threads in the TT about prospects. If it ends up being none of them :bang

And we haven't even made a page for the guy I want.
But since no "legit" site has mocked him to the Spurs, I'm waiting for the prediction page where I'll have the Spurs trading down to get him.

[apalisoc_9]

5'9..this igga is probably 5'7 without shoes. Smdh

[mo7888]

I'm not so sure. For the first time in nearly two decades they are starting to transition away from having a near all NBA type C and an allstar caliber PG. They need and see the chance to trade up in a draft that is weak at the bottom and sense that they need a pure upgrade. My dream get would be Murray from Kentucky, and while we don't have the chips to cash in on that type of a leap in the draft, if he falls to say to the 10th pick in some sort of free fall, he's got the chance to be in the league for 10-15 years with his talent.

Chad Ford ESPN laid out a trade scenario this morning with us getting a top 5 pick from PHX (could be Murray) Brandon Knight, and Alex Len for LMA

[TheGoldStandard]

5'9..this igga is probably 5'7 without shoes. Smdh
:pop: Seems like the kind of player I could see eye to eye with

[montgod]

Chad Ford ESPN laid out a trade scenario this morning with us getting a top 5 pick from PHX (could be Murray) Brandon Knight, and Alex Len for LMA

After all that, I can't see them trading LMA. I did findin it interesting that he has only a year left on his contract so... never know. Besides, wouldn't be a good way to woo KD to the Spurs in trading the very next year. LMA will only get better next year after getting fully comfortable.

[cd021]

Ulis doesn't look that bad in our range. Dude is a great ball handler and a solid playmaker according to DX. Let's not forget our bench looked like shit this season and could use a playmaker/scorer if Manu retires.

Have you looked at the other players available in this range? there are at least eight that are more worth the Spurs time (All front court players). I would rather the Spurs sign a vet than go for an undersized PG with hip problems just because the Spurs need additional depth.

[TheGoldStandard]

Have you looked at the other players available in this range? there are at least eight that are more worth the Spurs time (All front court players). I would rather the Spurs sign a vet than go for an undersized PG with hip problems just because the Spurs need additional depth.

Despite the numbers that Ulis put up in college in the eye ball test he comes up a little short.

[Chinook]

Chad Ford ESPN laid out a trade scenario this morning with us getting a top 5 pick from PHX (could be Murray) Brandon Knight, and Alex Len for LMA

I think Phoenix would find that too much. It's a beautiful trade from the Spurs' perspective, though, if Parker and maybe Green (:depressed) are dealt. Build around Kawhi with an early 20s team instead of a late-20s, early 30s team.

[DPG21920]

There is no way SA trades LMA unless he requests it. You cannot do that if you're a team that has plans to lure FA. 67 wins then dump the guy after 1 year? Good luck getting any other top FAs to SA of you do that. Look at the Mavs and what they did from a loyalty perspective and how it has cost them.

[mo7888]

I think Phoenix would find that too much. It's a beautiful trade from the Spurs' perspective, though, if Parker and maybe Green (:depressed) are dealt. Build around Kawhi with an early 20s team instead of a late-20s, early 30s team.

For me, I think it's a short term set back but, a longer term win just on the face of it. On the other hand it they can parlay that cap room into a significant player then they might not have to step back at all.

[T Park]

That Ford trade proposal is one of the dumber things I've seen come out of ESPN, and that's saying something.

[jermaine]

5'9..this igga is probably 5'7 without shoes. Smdh

My babymomma taller than this nicca! Lmbo

[cd021]

Despite the numbers that Ulis put up in college in the eye ball test he comes up a little short.

The real question is he tall enough to ride roller coasters if not then he is 1st round material for the Spurs:lol

I am 7 inches taller than him and only slightly older....all I'm saying, #putmeincoach

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Chad Ford ESPN laid out a trade scenario this morning with us getting a top 5 pick from PHX (could be Murray) Brandon Knight, and Alex Len for LMA

I don't like this trade. The Spurs lose the best player by far and get a few nice players who are very likely never reaching LMA's level ( top 15-20 NBA player ). On top of that it's a deal that would force the Spurs to do at least one more backcourt trade. Also, it's bad for business if they trade LMA after just one season. Meh.

[TheCerebral1]

I don't like this trade. The Spurs lose the best player by far and get a few nice players who are very likely never reaching LMA's level ( top 15-20 NBA player ). On top of that it's a deal that would force the Spurs to do at least one more backcourt trade. Also, it's bad for business if they trade LMA after just one season. Meh.

I didn't either, it seems like an awful lot to give up Aldridge and value for Knight who isn't that great, Len who is still a project three to four seasons outside of his draft year and #5/#27.

[TheDoctor]

5'9..this igga is probably 5'7 without shoes. Smdh

Shit.

[cd98]

Spurs are drafting a point guard. We should leave the analysis to only point guards in the draft.

[ECOV]

Nothing wrong with short point guards

[Bellboy]

:pop: He's got feistiness


:pop: He's gotten over himself, at 5'9 I think everyone has..


He can punch opposing guards in the shin when Pop asks for the nasty. :ihit

[TheGreatYacht]

If y'all want tall point guards, start fathead or bring back De Culo....

Pick the best player available. Idgaf what position he is.

[TD 21]

I think the Spurs would have a lot more hard time giving up Green than they did when they traded George Hill. Green was pretty much our third best player in the post season, unlike Hill who was pretty bad in the Memphis series in 2011.

Spurs are in win now like back in 2011 when they traded for Kawhi, and I trust in the Spurs that whichever player they get he will help us win now, and in the future no matter who is gone.

Do your magic R.C. if you pull the trigger!

Sure, especially after he took significantly less to re-sign a year ago. But, they've got to do what they think is best for the franchise. Whether this would be or not is obviously up for debate, but it's the type of bold move required.

It's all probably moot, because I doubt the Bucks pass on Baldwin, unless Monroe (who they're supposedly shopping hard) is traded at the draft, with a point guard coming back in the deal. In that case, I could see them going with a big.

[r0drig0lac]

It would protect Tony's starting job.

:pop: Hey, don't look at me.. I drafted a PG

lmao

[siraulo23]

nba draft, free agency and summer league

lets go

[CP48107]

There is no way SA trades LMA unless he requests it. You cannot do that if you're a team that has plans to lure FA. 67 wins then dump the guy after 1 year? Good luck getting any other top FAs to SA of you do that. Look at the Mavs and what they did from a loyalty perspective and how it has cost them.+1

[NASpurs]

Anyone post this yet from the basketball insiders guy from a couple of days ago? I knew about the 12th pick but didn't know the Spurs were looking at the sixth pick too. Still don't know how credible this guy is though.

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[TheGoldStandard]

Anyone post this yet from the basketball insiders guy from a couple of days ago? I knew about the 12th pick but didn't know the Spurs were looking at the sixth pick too. Still don't know how credible this guy is though.

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There has to be other teams in the works to get to sniff around 6 or 12.. Unless they're going to move Green/Parker or some team over values one of our role players.

[Chinook]

Anyone post this yet from the basketball insiders guy from a couple of days ago? I knew about the 12th pick but didn't know the Spurs were looking at the sixth pick too. Still don't know how credible this guy is though.

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:lol if New Orleans trade six for ANYTHING the Spurs have other than Kawhi or LMA.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The only player I can see at the 6 spot worth making the move is Dragan Bender. Hopefully they're not trying to target a guard. Dunn would be gone by then, Hield is the Orlando version of JJ Redick, and Murray can't run an offense at all.

[hooperflash]

:lol if New Orleans trade six for ANYTHING the Spurs have other than Kawhi or LMA.

They probably really like Danny Green in NOLA.

[palangi]

Chad Ford ESPN laid out a trade scenario this morning with us getting a top 5 pick from PHX (could be Murray) Brandon Knight, and Alex Len for LMA
This could be real interesting. Knight is only 24 and Len is only 23. Both have experience and have shown good things. Take that 4th pick and take skal labbisierre now. He is a long body kid that has a good shot. very athletic. a good rebounder and shot blocker. Very similar to LMA. Leonard, Labisierre, Len gives us a long front court. and both bigs have the ability to shoot. Labisierre out to the 3.

Doing this though you would think Tony would be on the trade block. See if Philly gives us their picks at 24 and 26 for Tony.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF_cWYmUZVw

[Uriel]

Exactly....except we didn't hear anything about the Spurs looking to move up in that draft.
There were lots of news outlets reporting we were going to move up that year. Someone tweeted before draft night that one of Tony Parker or George Hill would be gone by the end of the night.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6689841

[tmtcsc]

There were lots of news outlets reporting we were going to move up that year. Someone tweeted before draft night that one of Tony Parker or George Hill would be gone by the end of the night.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6689841

Whoah! I stand corrected. I never saw that.

[Ice009]

After all that, I can't see them trading LMA. I did findin it interesting that he has only a year left on his contract so... never know. Besides, wouldn't be a good way to woo KD to the Spurs in trading the very next year. LMA will only get better next year after getting fully comfortable.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure LMA has more than 1 year left on his contract. Possibly 3 with the 3rd year being a player option.

And also, if you're going to trade LMA this soon without him requesting it, you may as well go ahead and trade Kawhi too because no big name free agents will be coming here again for a long, long time.

[cutewizard]

Cant find that Paul Gasol thread, so pls allow me to insert this one:

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/pau-gasol-still-talking-about-possibly-coming-spurs

[cutewizard]

Also check this excellent read:

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/6/20/11974126/spurs-nba-draft-2016-prospectus-part-i


http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/6/21/11984992/spurs-nba-draft-2016-prospectus-part-ii

[Spurtacular]

Spurs would have to give up a guy like Green to move up for a Kawhi play. I'm wondering who they're eyeing and if they'll pull the trigger. I figure it's 50/50 or something of the sort that it happens.

[Obstructed_View]

If the Spurs give up on Aldridge after the year he had, they don't deserve to ever have a 50-win season again.

[raybies]

Danny Green, Parker, Mills for Holiday and 6th pick. I usually don't do this trade scenario thing but I would definitely do this, what y'all think?

I think it would be a good deal for both teams. New Orleans gets depth and proven veterans with championship pedigree and we get that infusion of youth that we so desperately need. I think the only thing holding this deal up would be Parker. I don't know if the Spurs would ever trade him. From a business perspective he needs to be dealt but from a family perspective he's earned his keep. If Parker is not dealt maybe adding the 29th and bobo? Although in this scenario I would want to keep the 29th.

I think Murray would be the guy we are targeting. Combo guard that can shoot lights out. Bender is intriguing. Jaylen brown would be a nice get too but I think we need the explosiveness on the offensive end.

[cutewizard]

let's all hypothesize and say only LMA and Kawhi are untouchable......

all the rest would be fair game, including Parker

hopefully........

[TheGoldStandard]

I would love some kind of draft day controversy in order to get into the 5-15 range and get a great prospect but I think it's more than lively we will hear, "with the 29th pick in the draft.. "

then R.C will come on and say something like, "We wanted to stay flexible with our cap space so we decided to take the best available player that we've been targeting. We didn't have scouts physically go over there and watch him play but we had some people over there give us a pretty good run down of what they do well. We believe this pick will be pay dividends in a few seasons when we bring them over. In the meantime we will fill out our roster with guys we can presumably cut around the trade deadline."

[TrainOfThought5]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure LMA has more than 1 year left on his contract. Possibly 3 with the 3rd year being a player option.

And also, if you're going to trade LMA this soon without him requesting it, you may as well go ahead and trade Kawhi too because no big name free agents will be coming here again for a long, long time.

Dont need big time free agents if we can draft another young superstar. Superstar plus Kawhi, plus role players is dominance in itself.

[MaNu4Tres]

Take this for what it is. Chad Fords mock w/ Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be nice if Spurs can get the 34th pick and or Bogdanovic too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick (and maybe 34th if RC plays his cards right).

[Keepin' it real]

Would have loved Tyson Chandler on the Spurs in 2010 ...

[RD2191]

Who would the Spurs target at 13?

[MaNu4Tres]

Who would the Spurs target at 13?

Nobody here knows that. We can make educated guesses though.

[RD2191]

Nobody here knows that. We can make educated guesses though.
Hopefully an athletic/defensive center will be available.

[stxspurs]

Everyone knows nothing will happen and the the spurs are gonna pick some guy names Igorivanka Brogapanzinkidora 5'6" forward coming off hamstring replacent surgery, who averaged a double double in the Galaopagos island rec league. Then procede to give Bonner another extension.

Im not falling for it this time spurs....no sir!

[RD2191]

Everyone knows nothing will happen and the the spurs are gonna pick some guy names Igorivanka Brogapanzinkidora 5'6" forward coming off hamstring replacent surgery, who averaged a double double in the Galaopagos island rec league. Then procede to give Bonner another extension.

Im not falling for it this time spurs....no sir!

:lol tbh

[Spurs9]

Everyone knows nothing will happen and the the spurs are gonna pick some guy names Igorivanka Brogapanzinkidora 5'6" forward coming off hamstring replacent surgery, who averaged a double double in the Galaopagos island rec league. Then procede to give Bonner another extension.

Im not falling for it this time spurs....no sir!
:lmao

[Maddog]

Everyone knows nothing will happen and the the spurs are gonna pick some guy names Igorivanka Brogapanzinkidora 5'6" forward coming off hamstring replacent surgery, who averaged a double double in the Galaopagos island rec league. Then procede to give Bonner another extension.

Im not falling for it this time spurs....no sir!

To be honest Brogapanzinkidora is moving up several mock drafts. The hamstring replacement surgery has scared some off as it is novel and only performed by a surgeon in Ruratania.
I'm trying to find the youtube vide- it's really impressive.

[SAGirl]

Take this for what it is. Chad Fords mock w/ Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be nice if Spurs can get the 34th pick and or Bogdanovic too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick (and maybe 34th if RC plays his cards right).
Sounds,like a reasonable deal that works for both teams. Tyson cannot possibly want to spend his remaining useful years as a player in a lottery team that is very young and in rebuild status and he doesn't fit the fast paced style they have favored. Plus LMA was rumored to have wanted to play with him. I think it's a realistic scenario.

Patty is a gunner, fast, still young and cheap and they like multiple PG lineups. Boris is a passer that can help all their youth with his experience and he can be cut after the season or even b4 his deadline if they would rather do that. Works out just fine and we will have a need for an experienced center.

[SAGirl]

Everyone knows nothing will happen and the the spurs are gonna pick some guy names Igorivanka Brogapanzinkidora 5'6" forward coming off hamstring replacent surgery, who averaged a double double in the Galaopagos island rec league. Then procede to give Bonner another extension.

Im not falling for it this time spurs....no sir!
There is Tyler Ulis. 5'9" PG who has I think a hip red flag. He was a very good college player but between his size and health concern he could be there at 29. Close enough to your joke.

[JonNOKC]

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Not crazy about small PG especially micro sized ones..if Spurs like Ulus why not just go after Kay Felder late in 2nd...slightly bigger than Ulis and more proven scorer/assist guy

[TheGreatYacht]

Everyone knows nothing will happen and the the spurs are gonna pick some guy names Igorivanka Brogapanzinkidora 5'6" forward coming off hamstring replacent surgery, who averaged a double double in the Galaopagos island rec league. Then procede to give Bonner another extension.

Im not falling for it this time spurs....no sir!
Can't find him on YouTube, it just brings up alphabet tutorials

[LakerHater]

76ers have informed Ben Simmons they will select him with No. 1 pick in NBA Draft. (via https://t.co/M9Gff5vRdi) https://t.co/rgmSCyrn5b

[r0drig0lac]

Everyone knows nothing will happen and the the spurs are gonna pick some guy names Igorivanka Brogapanzinkidora 5'6" forward coming off hamstring replacent surgery, who averaged a double double in the Galaopagos island rec league. Then procede to give Bonner another extension.

Im not falling for it this time spurs....no sir!

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[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

We're stacked at F, need a C and PG. No game-changing Cs around #13, so it's got to be Wade Baldwin Spurs are targeting if they can land that Suns pick. If he goes at #12 to Jazz, perhaps Dejounte Murray?

[tholdren]

why would anyone trade Chandler and 13 for mills and diaw? sounds too good to be true.

[tbdog]

^ To get out of that terrible contract. And I wouldn't even want that contract.

[Maddog]

^ To get out of that terrible contract. And I wouldn't even want that contract.

34 to start the season, injury prone, owed 39 million......
What's not like....

[SpursBills]

Agree with Wade Baldwin above at #12/13. He has the requisite length, athleticism, and 3 point shooting that he'll be playable as a rookie in a spot-up role. This will allow the Spurs to develop his point guard skills while the offense revolves around LMA/Kawhi. His 3 point shooting is likely good enough that he'll just be a floor spacer in the offense early who's not a negative on defense. Then as he gets better they shift ball-handling responsibilities to him and they have their long-term solution at point guard. It's the same way that they developed Kawhi when he first game one. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Personally, I'm very high on Baldwin - see the article below which I think gives a pretty good argument:
http://www.deepishthoughts.com/kaisers-draft-notes-wade-baldwin/

[tholdren]

34 to start the season, injury prone, owed 39 million......
What's not like....

almost intelligent, but Diaw is fat and has no self esteem = not suited for playoffs, mills is unplayable against teams we need a scoring G to get minutes out of in the playoffs. So what it boils down to is tyson's contract versus the impact of the #13 draft pick. Plus, if you have a healthy Chandler, you have a playoff contributor, which can do more than what D Worst, or Boris could in the paint.

Again, sounds too good to be true.

[raybies]

Only players with moving up for imo is:

Murray- like him because he's a more versatile player than Green. Probably a more consistent shooter, can drive and can play both guard spots. A plus you can run him in the pick and roll. Not as good a defender as Green but if he can make plays based on effort and knock down shots and create at a higher pace he could offset the loss.

Bender- he's a stretch 4/5. I mean he's a total package. Reminds me of bosh, but bosh has a better low post game. Imo he can play three positions right now. Alot of versatility. I see him with potential to be an elite role player and with time a borderline all-star. I like that he's very good defensively and can switch on the pick and roll.

Baldwin- future starting point here. Right now he's ready to contribute. Better shooter, defender, and passer than Tony right now and he has the physical profile you want in a guard. Love his length. Can see him playing both guard positions. Just wonder if he can Facilitate well enough. Still worth a look.

Zubac- wouldn't have to trade up to far too get him. Big boost. True 5 with a terrific low post game. Would be great value in the early twenties. Good defender and can play the pick and roll. Good interior defender and can protect the rim. Not a stiff, can move his feet.

On the fence a about:
Poetl
Labisserie

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Only players with moving up for imo is:

Murray- like him because he's a more versatile player than Green. Probably a more consistent shooter, can drive and can play both guard spots. A plus you can run him in the pick and roll. Not as good a defender as Green but if he can make plays based on effort and knock down shots and create at a higher pace he could offset the loss.

Bender- he's a stretch 4/5. I mean he's a total package. Reminds me of bosh, but bosh has a better low post game. Imo he can play three positions right now. Alot of versatility. I see him with potential to be an elite role player and with time a borderline all-star. I like that he's very good defensively and can switch on the pick and roll.

Baldwin- future starting point here. Right now he's ready to contribute. Better shooter, defender, and passer than Tony right now and he has the physical profile you want in a guard. Love his length. Can see him playing both guard positions. Just wonder if he can Facilitate well enough. Still worth a look.

Zubac- wouldn't have to trade up to far too get him. Big boost. True 5 with a terrific low post game. Would be great value in the early twenties. Good defender and can play the pick and roll. Good interior defender and can protect the rim. Not a stiff, can move his feet.

On the fence a about:
Poetl
Labisserie

Murray and Bender will likely go top 5, so they're out. Baldwin at #13 certainly looks like the play if the FO truly are looking to trade with the Suns.

[palangi]

Only players with moving up for imo is:

Murray- like him because he's a more versatile player than Green. Probably a more consistent shooter, can drive and can play both guard spots. A plus you can run him in the pick and roll. Not as good a defender as Green but if he can make plays based on effort and knock down shots and create at a higher pace he could offset the loss.

Bender- he's a stretch 4/5. I mean he's a total package. Reminds me of bosh, but bosh has a better low post game. Imo he can play three positions right now. Alot of versatility. I see him with potential to be an elite role player and with time a borderline all-star. I like that he's very good defensively and can switch on the pick and roll.

Baldwin- future starting point here. Right now he's ready to contribute. Better shooter, defender, and passer than Tony right now and he has the physical profile you want in a guard. Love his length. Can see him playing both guard positions. Just wonder if he can Facilitate well enough. Still worth a look.

Zubac- wouldn't have to trade up to far too get him. Big boost. True 5 with a terrific low post game. Would be great value in the early twenties. Good defender and can play the pick and roll. Good interior defender and can protect the rim. Not a stiff, can move his feet.

On the fence a about:
Poetl
Labisserie
I like labisserie more than bender.

[Uriel]

Take this for what it is. Chad Fords mock w/ Jay Bilas saying SA trying to move up to 13 ( Suns).

Only thing that makes some sense is Tyson Chandler +13th pick for Diaw/Mills. Would be nice if Spurs can get the 34th pick and or Bogdanovic too.

Suns get to wipe TC's contract off their books and go after two big free agents this summer. Spurs get pricey, but defensive center they need and get the 13th pick (and maybe 34th if RC plays his cards right).
Would appreciate it if you could post the exact quote from Chad Ford here. Thanks.

[AFMadison]

That Ford trade proposal is one of the dumber things I've seen come out of ESPN, and that's saying something.

[BatManu20]

I bet we stay at 29 and draft either Tyler Ulis or a draft-and-stash foreigner.

[SAGirl]

I bet we stay at 29 and draft either Tyler Ulis or a draft-and-stash foreigner.
Tyler Ulis, Denzel Valentine if he falls that low, in which case it means that his knee really is F-Up--think Dejuan Blair f-Up! Or a foreign stash big or wing as if we didn't have enough already stashed of both bigs and wings. :tu

Chinook will go crazy.

[raybies]

If we only have one pick and stay put, i want cordinier. Combo guard. Athletic. can defend and can play the pick and roll. Not much of a creator andthat'sprobably whyhis stock has dropped but he's got elite role player potential. He's a two way playerand at that slot its good value and upside cause he's really young. I don't think he's readyto contribute next year but you can let him battle it out with Simmons for playing time and you can try him out at the one in a pinch.

[Maddog]

almost intelligent, but Diaw is fat and has no self esteem = not suited for playoffs, mills is unplayable against teams we need a scoring G to get minutes out of in the playoffs. So what it boils down to is tyson's contract versus the impact of the #13 draft pick. Plus, if you have a healthy Chandler, you have a playoff contributor, which can do more than what D Worst, or Boris could in the paint.

Again, sounds too good to be true.

Often when things sound too good to be true they are...
I'm not necessarily against this purported trade but it comes with a lot of risk. I know- no risk no gain. Chandler, will be 34 and has been injury prone and has his limitations even when healthy. The number 13 pick? Who knows. Even lottery picks are a bit of a gamble. Take a look at the last 5 lottery picks and you can find a lot of mediocre players. Now true, you are not giving up a whole lot here in this scenario, but is this the best use of trade assets...

[Chinook]

People need to stop assuming the Spurs can bend the Suns over backward to get Chandler. The Wolves have held onto Pek for years with him being a worse deal. Phoenix certainly isn't giving up 13 (let along all the other things) during the draft. They don't even know if they'll need the cap space. And you know they're stubborn on trades, and after the Morris coup they pulled, I can't blame them.

If the Spurs end tomorrow night with Chandler, they'll be lucky to have 28 even.

[ace3g]

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Atlanta, Philadelphia, and San Antonio have done the most extensive research on DeAndre Bembry, source told @CBSSports (https://twitter.com/CBSSports). All pick bw 20-30.

[MaNu4Tres]

People need to stop assuming the Spurs can bend the Suns over backward to get Chandler. The Wolves have held onto Pek for years with him being a worse deal. Phoenix certainly isn't giving up 13 (let along all the other things) during the draft. They don't even know if they'll need the cap space. And you know they're stubborn on trades, and after the Morris coup they pulled, I can't blame them.

If the Spurs end tomorrow night with Chandler, they'll be lucky to have 28 even.

People don't need to stop assuming anything. If anything you need to stop assuming it will just take the 28th pick to shave off 39 million off their books. That's crazy.

Chandler has a worse contract than Pek. There's a bigger price than just the 28th to clear 39 million off their books, 8 million this year. It would allow them to go after two big FA's this summer.

With all due respect, you're far underestimating the cost to get rid of Chandler.

[Chinook]

Chandler has a worse contract than Pek.

That's an absurd claim. Pek got signed to a $60M/5 contract and has played in only 98 games since. That deal has been the worst in the league for a long time. Chandler is just overpaid to be a bench player. Dude averaged 11/13 per 36 last year and 12/14 per 36 the previous one. He's played in twice as many games a Pek has over that span. The only potential saving grace is if Pek can get injury-waived, but that still leaves his team with millions to pay.


There's a huge price to clear 39 million off their books, 8 million this year.

Besides the fact that it's several million bucks less than that, you are overlooking the fact that Phoenix probably doesn't want to have that much extra cap space right now. They don't need it badly enough to give up a ton of value for it.


It would allow them to go after two big FA's this summer.

Yeah, because that worked out so well for them last summer.


Lol " Lucky to even get 28". You're far underestimating the cost to get rid of Chandler.

People said that same thing about Morris. I wouldn't be surprised if someone paid for Chandler. In the current cap climate, contracts are going to be easy to move. We're talking about someone paying Hassan Whiteside twice as much as Chandler is getting now. Dwight could get closer to three times a much. Hell, you've been arguing for them to spend real money on Miles Fucking Plumlee for weeks.

For a team like the Spurs who would be trading for him to be their starter, his salary is a steal, not an albatross. And Phoenix knows it.

[MaNu4Tres]

That's an absurd claim. Pek got signed to a $60M/5 contract and has played in only 98 games since. That deal has been the worst in the league for a long time. Chandler is just overpaid to be a bench player. Dude averaged 11/13 per 36 last year and 12/14 per 36 the previous one. He's played in twice as many games a Pek has over that span. The only potential saving grace is if Pek can get injury-waived, but that still leaves his team with millions to pay.


Which contract is worse?

Two years for 23 million or 3 years 39 million?

Answer me that?

And yes, assuming no trade happens and TD/MG retire and they waive stretch Diaw, I'd still prefer Spurs spend 4-5 million on Plumlee and still have space to work with than sign Gasol for 10-12 mil per. That hasn't changed.

[Chinook]

Which contract is worse?

Two years for 23 million or 3 years 39 million?

The $23M/2 is worse, because that player is essentially giving you nothing for your money, whereas the other one would be your starter. This is an extremely easy question to answer, and the fact that you think it supports your point is head-scratching.

[MaNu4Tres]

People said that same thing about Morris. .


Why are you comparing Morris to Chandler?

I'm not surprised that you don't realize Morris shot Phoenix in the foot with his announcement last summer. Phoenix instantly lost any leverage in getting the right value for him when he demanded to be traded and said he wouldn't play for the Suns next year. It's like when a player in the NFL demands for a trade and other teams just wait it out until the team just releases the guy. Teams just waited it out and then low-balled at the deadline because they knew the desperate situation. Plus, Morris was much easier to move because he is only 26 years old and has 3 yrs left for 24 million. Chandler is 33, had a poor season, and has 3 years 39 million left on his deal.

Your comparison couldn't be more off based. And I'm not surprised at all.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

People don't need to stop assuming anything. If anything you need to stop assuming it will just take the 28th pick to shave off 39 million off their books. That's crazy.

Chandler has a worse contract than Pek. There's a bigger price than just the 28th to clear 39 million off their books, 8 million this year. It would allow them to go after two big FA's this summer.

With all due respect, you're far underestimating the cost to get rid of Chandler.

Why would Phoenix need 40+ million in cap space? They're not getting a max FA unless they're grossly overpaying someone shitty like Parsons. They'll need to hit the salary floor of ~$85 mil next season and then ~$100 mil the following year. Some players will be getting ridiculous money and Chandler's deal will not look nearly as bad with the new cap, especially for a productive player like him, who can still be a first big off the bench type for most teams and even a starter for a few.

They'll easily get rid of his salary by the trade deadline next season when some team will be desperate to hit the salary floor. No need to pay a hefty price right now to trade that contract.

[Chinook]

Why are you comparing Morris to Chandler?

Because people thought Phoenix was going to have to pay for them to be able to get rid of him, and they have the very pick you're trying to acquire because they held onto him until they found a team desperate enough to trade for him.


I'm not surprised ... Teams just waited it out and then low-balled at the deadline because they knew the desperate situation.

This pretty much encapsulates your lack of understanding. The Morris trade was a huge win for Phoenix. A very similar player in Tobias Harris (who had no baggage) had just gone for expirings a few weeks prior. Instead of settling for something similar, the Suns got a second lottery pick. There's no doubt in my mind that Washington would take back that deal in a heartbeat right about now.

[MaNu4Tres]

Because people thought Phoenix was going to have to pay for them to be able to get rid of him, and they have the very pick you're trying to acquire because they held onto him until they found a team desperate enough to trade for him.



Morris is 26 years old and is more productive than his salary. Plus, he's the exact type of player that's very valuable in today's NBA. How you are comparing him and his situation to 33 yr old Chandlers is absurd. He had a poor year last yr and has 3 yes left for 39 million. The two situations couldn't be more different. The cost to shed Chandler is a lot higher than Morris because Morris is 26, is productive, and is versatile to play 2 positions -- which is valuable in today's NBA.

[Chinook]

Morris is 26 years old and is more productive than his salary.

And he's a cancer. Always has been. Ultimate empty-stats player. Dude's still in legal trouble. His brother seems to be better off without him.


Plus, he's the exact type of player that's very valuable in today's NBA.

Offense-first combo-forwards who can't really defend either position are not rare. Almost every team has at least one of them on their roster.


How you are comparing him and his situation to 33 yr old Chandlers is absurd.

The difference between their value is already reflected in the difference between getting the 13th pick for Morris and paying the 28th pick to move Chandler. Defensive centers who can rebound and roll are still very valuable, as you've been wont to point out. Chandler is the prototype for that mold. Getting him for no pick at all would be a decent use of a few million in cap space, allowing the team to focus on bringing in a guard with the rest.

I'd totally be on board with the team picking up Chandler rather than Markieff, and I don't think I'm alone in that assertion.

[Mr. Body]

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Atlanta, Philadelphia, and San Antonio have done the most extensive research on DeAndre Bembry, source told @CBSSports (https://twitter.com/CBSSports). All pick bw 20-30.

Bembry would be a good overall pick. We badly need young guys with athleticism and a high motor. It's a decent bet his shooting would improve under Englund. But as an SF he doesn't address the big gaps in the roster (PG, shotblocker, backup shooting).

[Keepin' it real]

Why doesn't the NBA have star players who slide way down the first round like in the NFL such as Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, etc.?

[sasaint]

Tyler Ulis, Denzel Valentine if he falls that low, in which case it means that his knee really is F-Up--think Dejuan Blair f-Up! Or a foreign stash big or wing as if we didn't have enough already stashed of both bigs and wings. :tu

Chinook will go crazy.

If we do any of those things in an off-season when we desperately need an immediate infusion of size and athleticism and youth, Chinook is not the only one who will go crazy.

[Mr. Body]

Why doesn't the NBA have star players who slide way down the first round like in the NFL such as Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, etc.?

Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili not enough for you?

[Keepin' it real]

Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili not enough for you?

They didn't slide. No one had ever heard of them. I'm talking about players who were college stars but still plummeted.

[Chinook]

Why doesn't the NBA have star players who slide way down the first round like in the NFL such as Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, etc.?

Blair, PJIII, Sullinger, Fab Melo, Kyle Anderson. Hell, look at bigs like Wood and Upshaw who went from first-rounders to undrafted.

[Mr. Body]

They didn't slide. No one had ever heard of them. I'm talking about players who were college stars but still plummeted.

There have been a good number, as listed above. But since rosters are much smaller than in the NFL, "tumbling" means dropping later in the first round. Paul Pierce is a famous example of someone who tumbled in the draft, but was still in the lottery.

[Keepin' it real]

There have been a good number, as listed above. But since rosters are much smaller than in the NFL, "tumbling" means dropping later in the first round. Paul Pierce is a famous example of someone who tumbled in the draft, but was still in the lottery.

That makes sense. Thanks.

[cd98]

I'm curious to see which tradeable assets we have to move up in the draft. Obviously, we aren't trading Kawhi or LMA. But not sure how low a draft pick Spurs can get and what they would have to take back in such a trade.

[SAGirl]

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Atlanta, Philadelphia, and San Antonio have done the most extensive research on DeAndre Bembry, source told @CBSSports (https://twitter.com/CBSSports). All pick bw 20-30.
I like Bembry better fir us than Ulis.

[NASpurs]

The 12th pick is gone

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/745683184919126016

Sources: Utah is sending the No. 12 pick in Thursday's Draft to Atlanta as part of deal that sends George Hill to Utah, Teague to Indy.

[Chinook]

That opens up 21 for a Mills trade...

[K...]

Haha, george hill cock blocks the Parker haters from one of their best promising trade avenue

[Robz4000]

That opens up 21 for a Mills trade...

Or LDN to ATL for #12.

[raybies]

Good haul for Atlanta sort of. But it sets the price for a pick. Wonder who else is involved.

[cd021]

Blair, PJIII, Sullinger, Fab Melo, Kyle Anderson. Hell, look at bigs like Wood and Upshaw who went from first-rounders to undrafted.

PJIII would have been a top 10 pick had he come out a year earlier barely made the 1st round and had to play behind KD limiting his development. I remember that Sullinger was projected to be a top 5 pick in the '10 draft had he come he come out.

[Ditty]

This may be good for the Spurs if they are trying to move up in the draft. Atlanta might be more willing to trade with us. Come on Bud we gave you Splitter!

[gambit1990]

i would trade tp + the 29th pick for the 30th pick :lol

[NASpurs]

Thanks Bud! :lol

745695829789315072

[TheGoldStandard]

Thanks Bud! :lol

745695829789315072

Tony Parker to back up Shroeder in the ATL for 12 and 21.. Come on RC

[montgod]

Thanks Bud! :lol

745695829789315072

I knew it! ATL doesn't want any rookies with trying to improve now. They won't let the Spurs off easy this time though lol. Gonna be some payback cause of Splitter lol.

[Nathan89]

Tony Parker to back up Shroeder in the ATL for 12 and 21.. Come on RC

Danny Green perhaps.

[szkorhetz]

PJIII would have been a top 10 pick had he come out a year earlier barely made the 1st round and had to play behind KD limiting his development. I remember that Sullinger was projected to be a top 5 pick in the '10 draft had he come he come out.
I really liked PJIII

[Nathan89]

I knew it! ATL doesn't want any rookies with trying to improve now. They won't let the Spurs off easy this time though lol. Gonna be some payback cause of Splitter lol.

They didn't get robbed in the Splitter deal.

[cd021]

Bemby makes more sense than Ulis though I could see the Spurs acquiring a second 1st rounder or an early rounder to draft Ulis. Mills to Philly or Phoenix would allow for the Spurs to shed another $2.5 million off the books and add some youth to the end of the bench along with Bertans.

[montgod]

Danny Green perhaps.

Perhaps and then maybe let go of Bazemore or Mike Scott (team option).

[myhc]

Tony Parker to back up Shroeder in the ATL for 12 and 21.. Come on RC

LOL. After the Splitter catastrophe, I'm betting the Hawks don't even pick up if they see the San Antonio area code on their phone.

[NASpurs]

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[look_at_g_shred]

Bobo/Mills and the 29th for the 12th pick?

[ceperez]

With Hawks now having the #12 pick from Utah as well as the #23. I don't see how Spurs can get what they want.... unless #12 just happens to be a trade for Parker (unlikely).

[Chinook]

745699492494614528


Bobo/Mills and the 29th for the 12th pick?

I don't think that's what they mean.

[mo7888]

Green for 12...Mills for 21....

[cd021]

Tony Parker to back up Shroeder in the ATL for 12 and 21.. Come on RC

Green + Mills for 12th, 21st, and Sef.

12th-Tim Luwawu-Athletic SG- 3 and D with offensive upside. ( A bunch of bigs in that range as well)
21st-Tarauren Prince-SF-Athletic 3 and D player with versatility on defense
29th-Tyler Ulis-Floor general, and good shooter

PG-Parker, FA, Ulis
SG- Sef, Manu, Luwawu/Simmons
SF- Leonard, Anderson, Prince, Bertans
PF-LMA, West, Anderson
C-FA, Boban

Moving Green is not ideal but would allow the Spurs to get significantly younger and clear up additional cap space something like $4.5 million not including Duncan potentially retiring and Diaw being move or bought out

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't think that's what they mean.
alright my bad

[MaNu4Tres]

That opens up 21 for a Mills trade...

What part of "trying to free up space" do you not understand?

They want to trade those picks to free up space to re-sign Horford and have 24 mil to throw at a big FA.

[mo7888]

What part of "trying to free up space" do you not understand?

They want to trade those picks to free up space to re-sign Horford and have 24 mil to throw at a big FA.

I don't think the trade is to free up space...it's to acquire pieces to convince Horford to stay in Atl instead of signing elsewhere...

[Chinook]

What part of "trying to free up space" do you not understand?

Said nothing about cap space. This is getting into # territory.

[Chinook]

Green + Mills for 12th, 21st, and Sef.

Tim Luwawu-Athletic SG- 3 and D with offensive upside.
Tarauren Prince-SF-Athletic 3 and D player with versatility on defense
Tyler Ulis-Floor general, and good shooter

PG-Parker, FA, Ulis
SG-Sef/Luwawu/Simmons
SF- Leonard, Anderson, Prince, Bertans
PF-LMA, West, Anderson
C-FA, Boban

Would hate it. Anyway, what's with you and Prince?

[cd021]

Would hate it. Anyway, what's with you and Prince?

Not big in to college ball but have heard a lot of good things about him , some of it from friends. Like the idea of Prince being a Spurs because of his versatility good athlete, very long, solid shooter and can board and seems like he can defend both wing spots could come in handy against the Thunder or the Warriors going forward.

Another reason is I like the idea of Anderson at the four, assuming he can learn to shoot the 3 more consistently. He may not be ready for that for another year but I think Prince could help make that transition easier.

[Mr. Body]

With Betans, why do people think the Spurs will go with two MORE rookies?

[Jdspur20]

Project Spurs tweeted the Spurs were looking to move up to #13???

[Spurs9]

With Betans, why do people think the Spurs will go with two MORE rookies?
Why not, probably a bit of a rebuilding year to get back to the WCF or finals. I think the team will look alot different, I welcome any changes outside of Leonard Aldridge.

[Keepin' it real]

Things are getting crazy, so screw it: Send Parker, Green, Diaw and #29 pick to Philly for #1. Welcome to SA, Mr. Ben Simmons.

[Mr. Body]

Why not, probably a bit of a rebuilding year to get back to the WCF or finals. I think the team will look alot different, I welcome any changes outside of Leonard Aldridge.

Not this team, this franchise, or this coach. Not with already having to run with bench guys like Simmons and Anderson last year that aren't even close to being proven.

[SAGirl]

I don't understand the play for Atlanta. Are they looking for cap or for a player?

[SAGirl]

Things are getting crazy, so screw it: Send Parker, Green, Diaw and #29 pick to Philly for #1. Welcome to SA, Mr. Ben Simmons.
Yuck. Ben Simmons will be a bust. Major one. Maybe in 3 years he has a kind of jump shot and has versatility, but he's far from a sure thing as 1st picks go. I guess I am not high on him.

Edit: I know you were joking but Simmons yuck!

[tholdren]

Yuck. Ben Simmons will be a bust. Major one. Maybe in 3 years he has a kind of jump shot and has versatility, but he's far from a sure thing as 1st round picks go. I guess I am not high on him.

Edit: I know you were joking but Simmons yuck!
1. He's better than Anderson
2. In a real league where the best players were kept, I agree 100% - my fear is that the younger the fans, the younger the draft entries the more the nba season and playoffs look like the nba all star games - which is staring to happen. I'm all about Lebum being a great athlete, but it makes me VOMIT when he has to proclaim his shitty bbiq is really a great bbiq. He's dumb.

[SAGirl]

1. He's better than Anderson
2. In a real league where the best players were kept, I agree 100% - my fear is that the younger the fans, the younger the draft entries the more the nba season and playoffs look like the nba all star games - which is staring to happen. I'm all about Lebum being a great athlete, but it makes me VOMIT when he has to proclaim his shitty bbiq is really a great bbiq. He's dumb.
We are talking about a 1st pick though. This has nothing to do with Anderson so I don't know why you even bring him up. He's not a franchise player.

For a franchise player, Ben Simmons will bust that's the context.

[tholdren]

We are talking about a 1st pick though. This has nothing to do with Anderson so I don't know why you even bring him up. He's not a franchise player.

For a franchise player, Ben Simmons will bust that's the context.
100% agree. This draft has no integral pieces that a team can build around.

[r0drig0lac]

We are talking about a 1st pick though. This has nothing to do with Anderson so I don't know why you even bring him up. He's not a franchise player.

For a franchise player, Ben Simmons will bust that's the context.

I think the argument about Anderson, and because it is basically a man very very very poor Ben Simmons. So if you believe that Kyle is going to be good or very good, your opinion of Simmons is strange (to say the least)

[SAGirl]

I think the argument about Anderson, and because it is basically a man very very very poor Ben Simmons. So if you believe that Kyle is going to be good or very good, your opinion of Simmons is strange (to say the least)
Kyle was a 30th pick and for the spot he was picked I think we are getting great value and he has potential to exceed what we git from him even last season as he's just 22, and guys his age agree still entering the draft this season. Already in his draft year 2014, he's ahead of a lot of guys statistically to the point he's lottery level talent in that draft so far compared to other guys production. In that context he's actually exceeded expectations and may yet improve even more.

In comparison, Simmons as the 1st pick in the draft has a different standard. He will not live up to expectations. There will be better players in this draft than him is my prediction and that will be visible a couple of years down the road. How is that for an explanation? It's a relative to the context of each guy.

[r0drig0lac]

I read that Kyle with athleticism and speed would be a pick lottery, Ben is all this is much more (is really a point forward, Kyle is a pg), so I guess impossible it fails in the league except injuries (however Hield will be the best player in this draft)

but I understand your point. So here's a question: if you had to bet on who you think will be the best player in five years? Ben or Kyle?

[tholdren]

I read that Kyle with athleticism and speed would be a pick lottery, Ben is all this is much more (is really a point forward, Kyle is a pg), so I guess impossible it fails in the league except injuries (however Hield will be the best player in this draft)

but I understand your point. So here's a question: if you had to bet on who you think will be the best player in five years? Ben or Kyle?
Better question - would you trade Kyle for Ben Straight up. Yes.

[Spurs9]

Better question - would you trade Kyle for Ben Straight up. Yes.

:lol as if thats even a question

[r0drig0lac]

Kyle was a 30th pick and for the spot he was picked I think we are getting great value and he has potential to exceed what we git from him even last season as he's just 22, and guys his age agree still entering the draft this season. Already in his draft year 2014, he's ahead of a lot of guys statistically to the point he's lottery level talent in that draft so far compared to other guys production. In that context he's actually exceeded expectations and may yet improve even more.

In comparison, Simmons as the 1st pick in the draft has a different standard. He will not live up to expectations. There will be better players in this draft than him is my prediction and that will be visible a couple of years down the road. How is that for an explanation? It's a relative to the context of each guy.


Better question - would you trade Kyle for Ben Straight up. Yes.

I really like Kyle (although only in its original position as pg), but as SAGirl is the biggest fan, has this opinion about Ben (which is basically Kyle on steroids), I wanted to ask why she thinks he will be a bust (of course it will not be LeBron, but it will be much better than Odom certainly)

[Kawhitstorm]

Not big in to college ball but have heard a lot of good things about him , some of it from friends. Like the idea of Prince being a Spurs because of his versatility good athlete, very long, solid shooter and can board and seems like he can defend both wing spots could come in handy against the Thunder or the Warriors going forward.

Another reason is I like the idea of Anderson at the four, assuming he can learn to shoot the 3 more consistently. He may not be ready for that for another year but I think Prince could help make that transition easier.

It depends on what they do in free agency, if PATFO are planning on signing a forward then Prince isn't going to get much playing time thus the pick would be better spent on a guard.

[SAGirl]

I really like Kyle (although only in its original position as pg), but as SAGirl is the biggest fan, has this opinion about Ben (which is basically Kyle on steroids), I wanted to ask why she thinks he will be a bust (of course it will not be LeBron, but it will be much better than Odom certainly)
I think Ben lacks intangibles IMO. He has been mentally weak, has given up in games. He has issues of competitiveness. The most damning is him relying on sheer athleticism to dominate and not adding a shot. He shrinks in big games. He put up empty stats in loses. He had big games (that would determine whether he would get into the NCAA tournament) where he didn't compete like he should have, without a single block or steal.... wth? Right? A guy with his athletic tools should be able to play better defense.

His disappointing NCAA season was blamed on coach and teammates instead of his own faults. Reminds me of Shabazzz Mohammed more than Anderson. Both insanely talented, freak athletes, scorers, but with disappointing NCAA seasobs seasons and overhyped. Very different players but equally overhauled IMO. The best thing for Shabazz was to have been picked 13. At that spot he was fine, but picture him as a 1st pick. Bust right? That's why I said it's relative.

In short, other than both being him and Anderson being forwards and passers they have nothing else in common. I think Kyle is a competitor who has overcome his lack of athleticism through a strong work ethic and competitive desire + skill. He's never been a loser in any team. Not ever, even his rookie NCAA season when they played him off the ball and as a PF in the PAC 12. He was overmatched often, but he competed.... I think in the mental strength, leadership, competitiveness and work put in, Kyle surpasses him. if he had Ben Simmons athleticism, who knows what he could do, but Simmons doesn't have IT. Whatever it takes for a guy to make him a franchise player, a winner, a fierce competitor, Simmons lacks. He's athletic, and has a lot of talent and potential, but I see him as mentally weak, not a good leader, etc.

But it's relative, if he was picked 13th like Shabazz, he could very well surpass that spot and provide great value. But as a franchise player he will bust. I could be wrong of course. I don't know him and I may have misinterpreted his behavior and empty stats in games.

Edit: I thought of another comparison. A different forward. Kawhi Leonard. Not a loser either and competed regardless of the quality of his teams at SDSU. He would never put the failures of his teams on bad coaching or teammates. Kawhi is another example of having IT. The thing that makes franchise players, Kawhi had it. He wasn't overhyped when he declared but he had what it took to get to where he is.

[objective]

I would trade Anderson for a conditional second

[SAGirl]

I would trade Anderson for a conditional second
I know you hate him objective but you also know that won't happen.

[tonight...you]

I really like Kyle (although only in its original position as pg), but as SAGirl is the biggest fan, has this opinion about Ben (which is basically Kyle on steroids), I wanted to ask why she thinks he will be a bust (of course it will not be LeBron, but it will be much better than Odom certainly)
I'd say his ceiling is likely Odom, not "much better" and his chances of having an Odom Flameout is equally as likely.

[Emperor]

If we don't get Durant offer Anderson plus whatever to the Hawks for Sefolosha so we can atleast have a legitimate backup SF for Kawhi.

[objective]

I know you hate him objective but you also know that won't happen.

I didn't post that it would happen. But I would be glad if he's gone, his style of playing like an old washed up guy irks me.

[cd021]

It depends on what they do in free agency, if PATFO are planning on signing a forward then Prince isn't going to get much playing time thus the pick would be better spent on a guard.

There really isn't a bunch of PGs in this draft toward the late twenties, early 30's Ulis might be the best available and his size is extremely concerning. From everything that I have heard he is actually a great play maker and can shoot and get to the rim and has a floater. This is a front court heavy draft, I would prefer they use their pick to add depth/ youth to the front court Prince would do that but there are others to consider (Zimmerman, Corneille, Diallo, Bemby, Hernanagomez).

Continuing to add size/ athleticism/versatility and length on the perimeter is always a positive adding Prince or Bemby along with Bertans to Leonard, Green, and Anderson would help us better match up with OKC and GSW going forward.

[cd021]

With Betans, why do people think the Spurs will go with two MORE rookies?

Cheap players with upside is never a bad thing, the opposite of having players north of 35 riding the bench.

Two rookies taken in the late 1st would be only about $1 million a piece with Bertans and two rookies that would be only about $2.5 million when you add Anderson and Simmons that is five players for about $4.5 million not only that but after next season the spurs would still have all five under contract for less than $5 million against a $110 million dollar cap.

[CGD]

There is a lot of buzz in here about ATL's 12th pick, but if George Hill can fetch #12 I wonder if Danny based package could fetch Toronto's #9.

Recently read an analysis on a Tonoto blog that the Raps have enough young talent now and could benefit from a pro to even out their roster.

[palangi]

I think Ben lacks intangibles IMO. He has been mentally weak, has given up in games. He has issues of competitiveness. The most damning is him relying on sheer athleticism to dominate and not adding a shot. He shrinks in big games. He put up empty stats in loses. He had big games (that would determine whether he would get into the NCAA tournament) where he didn't compete like he should have, without a single block or steal.... wth? Right? A guy with his athletic tools should be able to play better defense.

His disappointing NCAA season was blamed on coach and teammates instead of his own faults. Reminds me of Shabazzz Mohammed more than Anderson. Both insanely talented, freak athletes, scorers, but with disappointing NCAA seasobs seasons and overhyped. Very different players but equally overhauled IMO. The best thing for Shabazz was to have been picked 13. At that spot he was fine, but picture him as a 1st pick. Bust right? That's why I said it's relative.

In short, other than both being him and Anderson being forwards and passers they have nothing else in common. I think Kyle is a competitor who has overcome his lack of athleticism through a strong work ethic and competitive desire + skill. He's never been a loser in any team. Not ever, even his rookie NCAA season when they played him off the ball and as a PF in the PAC 12. He was overmatched often, but he competed.... I think in the mental strength, leadership, competitiveness and work put in, Kyle surpasses him. if he had Ben Simmons athleticism, who knows what he could do, but Simmons doesn't have IT. Whatever it takes for a guy to make him a franchise player, a winner, a fierce competitor, Simmons lacks. He's athletic, and has a lot of talent and potential, but I see him as mentally weak, not a good leader, etc.

But it's relative, if he was picked 13th like Shabazz, he could very well surpass that spot and provide great value. But as a franchise player he will bust. I could be wrong of course. I don't know him and I may have misinterpreted his behavior and empty stats in games.

Edit: I thought of another comparison. A different forward. Kawhi Leonard. Not a loser either and competed regardless of the quality of his teams at SDSU. He would never put the failures of his teams on bad coaching or teammates. Kawhi is another example of having IT. The thing that makes franchise players, Kawhi had it. He wasn't overhyped when he declared but he had what it took to get to where he is.
You are absolutely crazy about Ben Simmons. He played on a terrible team in LSU. And made them what they haven't been since shaq was there. In my personal opinion I believe that simmons held back a lot last year as well. As he knew this was the ultimate goal and going to a school with no promise or history all he had to do was play well and not get hurt.
I believe the best of Simmons is to come!

[Mr. Body]

Cheap players with upside is never a bad thing, the opposite of having players north of 35 riding the bench.

Two rookies taken in the late 1st would be only about $1 million a piece with Bertans and two rookies that would be only about $2.5 million when you add Anderson and Simmons that is five players for about $4.5 million not only that but after next season the spurs would still have all five under contract for less than $5 million against a $110 million dollar cap.

Pop would be going senile if he let the roster sag with rookies. It'll never happen.

[K...]

Pop would be going senile if he let the roster sag with rookies. It'll never happen.

Desperate times without Tim Duncan (ora functionally retired Duncan if he resigns).

[Mr. Body]

Desperate times without Tim Duncan (ora functionally retired Duncan if he resigns).

Still a 50+ team without Duncan. What are you talking about?

[tholdren]

no one in draft is worth green imo - and i am not a fan of green

[tmtcsc]

Brice Johnson anyone? We could use athleticism and rebounding in the paint.

[raybies]

Too small. We need a mobile center that can play the pick and roll and defend it. Athletic is a plus.

[tmtcsc]

Too small. We need a mobile center that can play the pick and roll and defend it. Athletic is a plus.

Brice is a potential Dennis Rodman in the making.

[raybies]

Can defend well. Has a nice post game. Has a decent stroke but doesn't project as a stretch four. Can't have a four that doesn't have elite physical tools and not be able to stretch the floor. I think he's a good prospect but I don't think he fits our biggest needs and that's a center and a playmaking guard. If we're looking at Brice why not Zhou qi. I think his rebounding will translate but I have a harder time believing that his post game will translate against bigger and better competition.

[SAGirl]

Can defend well. Has a nice post game. Has a decent stroke but doesn't project as a stretch four. Can't have a four that doesn't have elite physical tools and not be able to stretch the floor. I think he's a good prospect but I don't think he fits our biggest needs and that's a center and a playmaking guard. If we're looking at Brice why not Zhou qi. I think his rebounding will translate but I have a harder time believing that his post game will translate against bigger and better competition.
Rabies give us your run down of preferred picks. I don't know if you updated those in the think tank. I know you have been onto bigs even during the season. I have not been that disciplined. I have looked at more guards and ignored bigs entirely.

[cd021]

Pop would be going senile if he let the roster sag with rookies. It'll never happen.

Pop has coached teams with two rookies on it before. Neal and Anderson and Leonard and Joseph. I do not think that its that big a deal the top 10 players in the rotation are likely going the 25 or older save for KA who is entering year 3

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mc_M4FbP1g

[cutewizard]

i like Bryce Johnson, my goodness, can the Spurs get this one??

[cutewizard]

Bryce Johnson and Thomas Robinson could be the twin power rebounders of the Spurs

DO IT RC!!!!!!!!!!!

[raybies]

Rabies give us your run down of preferred picks. I don't know if you updated those in the think tank. I know you have been onto bigs even during the season. I have not been that disciplined. I have looked at more guards and ignored bigs entirely.

Ok, this is where I'm at right now. Considering our biggest needs of playmaking guard and a young preferably athletic center, I think a combo guard is the safest bet as of right now or a guard that can at least guard both guard positions because of the uncertainty of whether we trade green or not, whether mg will stay or retire. I think with Milutinov and Marjanovich we have options at the centre position. The only way we get full value for Danny would be a draft day trade imo. If we trade him, we will obviously need a guard.

If we move up into top 10(highly unlikely):
Murray
Bender
Brown-now this guy has been growing on me. Excellent defender, slasher and is a capable shooter. He would make great addition alongside KL and would diversify the offense while remaining elite defensively.

If we move up to late lottery:
Baldwin

If we move into mid round-early twenties:
Ivica Zubac
Ante Zizic
I think with either of these two, we would have our starting center of the future. Both are mobile and can guard, while Zubac has a solid low post game and has a big body. I prefer Zubac because he's more of a two way player and can score on the low block.

If we stay put:
Cordinier - gives us a two guard that can play both guard positions and can push Simmons. Really young, athletic, has a high motor, and can shoot the three. His stock fell cause of the hoop summit but that was overall a bad team. If surrounded by better players, he excells in imo.
Zimmerman- athletic center, really young, has range can play the pick and roll and a good passer. Health concerns..

Value picks in the second round:
Malcolm Brogdan
Onuaku
Hammons

This is my list that I'll be following.

[look_at_g_shred]

Ok, this is where I'm at right now. Considering our biggest needs of playmaking guard and a young preferably athletic center, I think a combo guard is the safest bet as of right now or a guard that can at least guard both guard positions because of the uncertainty of whether we trade green or not, whether mg will stay or retire. I think with Milutinov and Marjanovich we have options at the centre position. The only way we get full value for Danny would be a draft day trade imo. If we trade him, we will obviously need a guard.

If we move up into top 10(highly unlikely):
Murray
Bender
Brown-now this guy has been growing on me. Excellent defender, slasher and is a capable shooter. He would make great addition alongside KL and would diversify the offense while remaining elite defensively.

If we move up to late lottery:
Baldwin

If we move into mid round-early twenties:
Ivica Zubac
Ante Zizic
I think with either of these two, we would have our starting center of the future. Both are mobile and can guard, while Zubac has a solid low post game and has a big body. I prefer Zubac because he's more of a two way player and can score on the low block.

If we stay put:
Cordinier - gives us a two guard that can play both guard positions and can push Simmons. Really young, athletic, has a high motor, and can shoot the three. His stock fell cause of the hoop summit but that was overall a bad team. If surrounded by better players, he excells in imo.
Zimmerman- athletic center, really young, has range can play the pick and roll and a good passer. Health concerns..

Value picks in the second round:
Malcolm Brogdan
Onuaku
Hammons

These are my list that I'll be following.
wow thanks dude!!

[raybies]

wow thanks dude!!

No problem! Interested in seeing others lists

[playbonner15]

i like Bryce Johnson, my goodness, can the Spurs get this one??
Nah he's too athletic tbh

[look_at_g_shred]

No problem! Interested in seeing others lists
anybody in that high lottery draft range that could use Baldwin? Could you see him sliding to maybe 17-20 range?

[TheGoldStandard]

:pop: I'm leaning towards a Jeff Ayres type player.. We won a title with him off the bench..

[Big Empty]

in three years Thon Maker will be the steal of this draft.
he will be a cross between KD and KG

[r0drig0lac]

in three years Thon Maker will be the steal of this draft.
he will be a cross between KD and KG
goat???

[raybies]

in three years Thon Maker will be the steal of this draft.
he will be a cross between KD and KG

I hope so cause in three years he'll be 30. ��

[keithington1]

Diallo or a trade back for Hammons and a guard

[Big Empty]

I hope so cause in three years he'll be 30. ��

HA HA Goodone

[cd021]

I hope so cause in three years he'll be 30. ��


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[DrSteffo]

What about Hernangomez? I would also be happy with Zubac or Zizic.

[TheGoldStandard]

What about Hernangomez? I would also be happy with Zubac or Zizic.

I'd be okay with that but more than likely if those guys are drafted they are in Europe for another year or two.

[DrSteffo]

I'd be okay with that but more than likely if those guys are drafted they are in Europe for another year or two.

I understand that and would be fine with it. We can bring in Bertans this year, should be better than Kyle Anderson.

[palangi]

Remember how we were looking to move up? HAHAHA!

This team won't trade its players. Murray will be the 3rd PG and be inactive all season and play in Austin. We will run the same roster out there as last year. But a year older!

[sasaint]

Remember how we were looking to move up? HAHAHA!

This team won't trade its players. Murray will be the 3rd PG and be inactive all season and play in Austin. We will run the same roster out there as last year. But a year older!

A month or so ago, I wondered if we wouldn't do a "mini-tank" and shed all the old guys and bad contracts before the 2017 season when the cap jumps again. Let the eager beavers spend this year and have a better shot next year. Looks like that may be the plan. I can't say I am really opposed to it, providing we part with Parker.