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FuzzyLumpkins
06-10-2016, 03:51 PM
Donald Trump has been the presumptive Republican nominee for 37 days.

It is not going well.

His bundlers are struggling to raise money. His field organization is a joke; his communications shop is massively outgunned. His aides are squabbling and leaking to the press. Top Republicans are denouncing him daily on national TV. And the latest big national poll — taken after he began attacking a federal judge for being “Mexican” — suggests that his early mistakes are already doing damage.

Meanwhile, Democrats are rallying behind his all-but-certain rival, Hillary Clinton. On Wednesday and Thursday, her campaign orchestrated a dazzling media blitz, booking interviews with 12 news organizations and choreographing the rollout of major endorsements while gently nudging aside Bernie Sanders.

Trump responded with a few tweets.

When Clinton announced her endorsement from President Barack Obama on Thursday afternoon, Trump fired off a relatively tepid message: "Obama just endorsed Crooked Hillary. He wants four more years of Obama—but nobody else does!"

Clinton's team responded within minutes: "Delete your account." A few hours later, Trump offered his rejoinder: "How long did it take your staff of 823 people to think that up--and where are your 33,000 emails that you deleted?" Trump has bristled at comparisons between his staff size and that of Clinton's, using it as another point to argue that his spartan team has been more efficient and lower-cost, suggesting that he would do more with less as president.

The most tangible sign of Trump's floundering, however, came in a Fox News national poll released Thursday night. While recent surveys have shown Trump either closing the gap with or surpassing Clinton, the Fox poll showed Trump's three-point lead in the previous survey against Clinton had turned into a three-point deficit.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-problems-as-nominee-224172#ixzz4BDCIuwVU

I have a feeling the election is going to be very entertaining if nothing else.

rmt
06-10-2016, 04:04 PM
It's been a bad 2 weeks for Trump and a very good few days for Hillary. I expect an even wider margin in her favor as she gets a bump from clinching the nomination and further uniting the Democrats (as long as Bernie falls in line - which I expect him to do). Still a long time till November.

The reports of fund-raising not going well is troubling but expected - why should these donors fund Trump when he intends to shake up Washington? I wonder if he can tweet and social media his way to the election?

SpursforSix
06-10-2016, 04:42 PM
It's been a bad 2 weeks for Trump and a very good few days for Hillary. I expect an even wider margin in her favor as she gets a bump from clinching the nomination and further uniting the Democrats (as long as Bernie falls in line - which I expect him to do). Still a long time till November.

wonder if he can tweet and social media his way to the election?

http://blog.acton.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/chewbacca-mom.jpg

Reck
06-10-2016, 11:09 PM
It's been a bad 2 weeks for Trump and a very good few days for Hillary. I expect an even wider margin in her favor as she gets a bump from clinching the nomination and further uniting the Democrats (as long as Bernie falls in line - which I expect him to do). Still a long time till November.

The reports of fund-raising not going well is troubling but expected - why should these donors fund Trump when he intends to shake up Washington? I wonder if he can tweet and social media his way to the election?

Hillary's been enjoying a great few weeks. Ever since she neutered him with that foreign speech. He still hasn't recover from it.

Republicans must be kicking themselves. They let a prime oportunity go when that State Department report came out where they destroyed Clinton. They couldn't take advantage of it because Trump is too stupid to keep his mouth shut.

z0sa
06-11-2016, 11:34 AM
Clinton wins in a landslide.

ducks
06-11-2016, 12:21 PM
Be Intersting speech from trump monday

FuzzyLumpkins
06-14-2016, 06:19 PM
http://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rc0NltTBR0ug/v0

Clinton up 12 points over Trump. Now that the regular election is beginning it's looking like this one may be a laugher bloodbath like 1984. Trump is that shitty of a candidate.

CosmicCowboy
06-14-2016, 06:23 PM
I agree he is a terrible politician, unlike Lying Hillary :lol

FuzzyLumpkins
06-14-2016, 06:24 PM
I agree he is a terrible politician, unlike Lying Hillary :lol

He is a narcissist like yourself. You would support him.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-14-2016, 06:25 PM
I agree he is a terrible politician, unlike Lying Hillary :lol

He is a narcissist like yourself. You would sympathize with him.

CosmicCowboy
06-14-2016, 06:29 PM
He is a narcissist like yourself. You would support him.

I do think I'm a lot smarter than you if that makes me a narcissist in your eyes.

And I don't support Trump but I find his candidacy amusing. I definitely don't like Hillary. I will probably vote for Gary Johnson.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-14-2016, 06:34 PM
I do think I'm a lot smarter than you if that makes me a narcissist in your eyes.

And I don't support Trump but I find his candidacy amusing. I definitely don't like Hillary. I will probably vote for Gary Johnson.

You fall for my schtick then like a dog then. I act the pedantic fuck to raise that particular reaction. At least you don't tell me that I try to talk smart like the real dumbfucks do too often. I'll give you that.

Big Dog
06-15-2016, 12:29 AM
Hillary will win. Shitty presidential election though. Fuck almost everything she stands for.

Big Dog
06-15-2016, 12:33 AM
You fall for my schtick then like a dog then. I act the pedantic fuck to raise that particular reaction. At least you don't tell me that I try to talk smart like the real dumbfucks do too often. I'll give you that.
Posters just shit on you on the regular. I guess you can take solace in that. It's obvious you shill for the left and try your little heart out at shitting on the right. You are a SJW who advocates PC'ness but tries and masks it with pseudointellect posts. I have no dog in the fight but I can point out a vaginal blood smear on the street from a mile away.

spankadelphia
06-15-2016, 05:39 AM
Hillary has a real problem on her hands with the youth vote. Millennials turned out in huge numbers for Obama and were critical to his success. A lot of these people are disenfranchised with the DNC establishment now and will either vote Green, vote Trump, or stay home on election day.

boutons_deux
06-15-2016, 07:15 AM
Hillary has a real problem on her hands with the youth vote. Millennials turned out in huge numbers for Obama and were critical to his success. A lot of these people are disenfranchised with the DNC establishment now and will either vote Green, vote Trump, or stay home on election day.

The Bernie 18-24 segment will vote, if they vote, against Trash, not Hillary. Polls show 1/3 or more of each side will really be voting against the "unfavorable" opponent, rather than for their party's slightly "unfavorable" candidate.

boutons_deux
06-15-2016, 09:24 AM
"thought Romney was a shoo in too"

the media plays a huge rule by biasing their reporting to give the idea that both candidate are equally electable, it's damn close, nail-biting, super-dramatic race, so above all stay tuned to us (so our audience ratings and ad rates stay high)

RandomGuy
06-15-2016, 11:55 AM
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-problems-as-nominee-224172#ixzz4BDCIuwVU

I have a feeling the election is going to be very entertaining if nothing else.

Saw something interesting where Donald seems to think he knows best.

"Skeptical Of Tech, Donald Trump Rejects Big Data's Role In Politics"


Big budget data operations have become a mainstay for presidential campaigns in recent years, but Donald Trump says he has no plans to invest in microtargeting and voter models.

Trump's campaign will cede a rather huge advantage to the Democrats.
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/30/480069705/skeptical-of-tech-donald-trump-rejects-big-datas-role-in-politics

That is the problem with an old fart that has a huge ego.

He seems incapable of admitting ignorance or fault, and that exposes a huge achilles leg.

djohn2oo8
06-15-2016, 11:56 AM
Hillary has a real problem on her hands with the youth vote. Millennials turned out in huge numbers for Obama and were critical to his success. A lot of these people are disenfranchised with the DNC establishment now and will either vote Green, vote Trump, or stay home on election day.

Barry will energized the base once he gets on the campaign trail. So will Bernie.

whitemamba
06-15-2016, 12:52 PM
Barry will energized the base once he gets on the campaign trail. So will Bernie.

Who is getting your vote john

RandomGuy
06-15-2016, 01:04 PM
Hillary has a real problem on her hands with the youth vote. Millennials turned out in huge numbers for Obama and were critical to his success. A lot of these people are disenfranchised with the DNC establishment now and will either vote Green, vote Trump, or stay home on election day.

Not really.

After the convention, you will get Sanders and Obama on the trail for her, and I find it hard to believe that anyone who would put their vote behind Sanders would really jump ship for Trump.

You might not see as much participation in younger age ranges, but whoever does show up in those ranges will be overwhelmingly voting for Nottrump.

Warlord23
06-15-2016, 01:57 PM
Trump plumbing newer depths, maybe daring the GOP establishment to try and overthrow his candidacy.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283564-trump-tweets-story-claiming-secret-memo-shows-obama

boutons_deux
06-15-2016, 02:12 PM
Trump plumbing newer depths, maybe daring the GOP establishment to try and overthrow his candidacy.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283564-trump-tweets-story-claiming-secret-memo-shows-obama

Trash already loses, so the Repugs have nothing to lose by having the delegates revolt and draft a new loser, if pledged delegates can even change pledges under their states' rules.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-15-2016, 03:36 PM
Posters just shit on you on the regular. I guess you can take solace in that. It's obvious you shill for the left and try your little heart out at shitting on the right. You are a SJW who advocates PC'ness but tries and masks it with pseudointellect posts. I have no dog in the fight but I can point out a vaginal blood smear on the street from a mile away.

Sure thing, mouthbreather. Slacktivists actually get movement nowadays as opposed to people like you that are just labeled mentally ill. If you are going to insist on dumbed down categorizations, I know which one I would rather be.

Nice megalomania btw. I feel so marginalized and upset tbh.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-15-2016, 03:39 PM
Saw something interesting where Donald seems to think he knows best.

"Skeptical Of Tech, Donald Trump Rejects Big Data's Role In Politics"



Trump's campaign will cede a rather huge advantage to the Democrats.
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/30/480069705/skeptical-of-tech-donald-trump-rejects-big-datas-role-in-politics

That is the problem with an old fart that has a huge ego.

He seems incapable of admitting ignorance or fault, and that exposes a huge achilles leg.

He acts like a couple of posters around here. Boomer men that act like that are legion.

djohn2oo8
06-15-2016, 04:56 PM
Who is getting your vote john

Hillary.

whitemamba
06-15-2016, 06:44 PM
Hillary.

My nigga, did you only vote for her because trump is just that bad ?

baseline bum
06-15-2016, 07:10 PM
My nigga, did you only vote for her because trump is just that bad ?

What other reason would there be to vote for her?

SnakeBoy
06-15-2016, 07:25 PM
Damn Trump is going after the NRA now. Seems like ever since he won the nomination he's been doing everything he can to lose the nomination.

whitemamba
06-15-2016, 09:43 PM
What other reason would there be to vote for her?

None, but some people are voting for her because they believe she's a good candidate , so I was curious.

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 06:10 AM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/FB_IMG_1466047141882_zpsdbtypdym.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/FB_IMG_1466047141882_zpsdbtypdym.jpg.html)

djohn2oo8
06-16-2016, 07:33 AM
My nigga, did you only vote for her because trump is just that bad ?
Yes.

What other reason would there be to vote for her?
This

boutons_deux
06-16-2016, 08:17 AM
Damn Trump is going after the NRA now. Seems like ever since he won the nomination he's been doing everything he can to lose the nomination.

but Trash is a really SMART businessman.

RandomGuy
06-16-2016, 01:04 PM
like a storefront psychic who happens upon a genuine spirit, Trump is now playing with powerful historical currents he really doesn’t seem to understand.

This. I really don't think he comprehends the ripples.

That is scary.

RandomGuy
06-16-2016, 01:07 PM
None, but some people are voting for her because they believe she's a good candidate , so I was curious.

Clinton was secretary of state for years. You might remember her presence in the room as the Bin Laden thing went down.

She will bring a sophisticated, nuanced understanding of the foreign policy aspects from day 1.

Say what you like about her or her husband, she also has some inkling as to what the job entails, and has very, very ready access to someone else who knows the job almost exactly.

I am quite comfortable voting for Hillary Clinton on that basis.

TheSanityAnnex
06-16-2016, 01:13 PM
Clinton was secretary of state for years. You might remember her presence in the room as the Bin Laden thing went down.

She will bring a sophisticated, nuanced understanding of the foreign policy aspects from day 1.

Say what you like about her or her husband, she also has some inkling as to what the job entails, and has very, very ready access to someone else who knows the job almost exactly.

I am quite comfortable voting for Hillary Clinton on that basis.

Fan of overthrowing other governments I see.

RandomGuy
06-16-2016, 01:38 PM
Fan of overthrowing other governments I see.

Fan of strawmen, I see.

boutons_deux
06-16-2016, 01:42 PM
She will bring a sophisticated, nuanced understanding of the foreign policy aspects from day 1.


bull fucking shit.

She voted to invade Iraq-for-BigOil,

pushed Nuland to destabilize Ukraine (regime change),

pushed for regime changes in Syria and Egypt.

Nothing fucking "nuanced" about NEOCON Hillary (the neocon and MIC assholes love her as much as Wall St does),

AND the results have been fucking horrendous, and continuing for years, if not decades, including the Bataclan, San Bernardino, Orlando, and who knows what else.

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 02:42 PM
Clinton was secretary of state for years. You might remember her presence in the room as the Bin Laden thing went down.

She will bring a sophisticated, nuanced understanding of the foreign policy aspects from day 1.

Say what you like about her or her husband, she also has some inkling as to what the job entails, and has very, very ready access to someone else who knows the job almost exactly.

I am quite comfortable voting for Hillary Clinton on that basis.
Nuanced. Yeah. :rolleyes

TheSanityAnnex
06-16-2016, 03:01 PM
bull fucking shit.

She voted to invade Iraq-for-BigOil,

pushed Nuland to destabilize Ukraine (regime change),

pushed for regime changes in Syria and Egypt.

Nothing fucking "nuanced" about NEOCON Hillary (the neocon and MIC assholes love her as much as Wall St does),

AND the results have been fucking horrendous, and continuing for years, if not decades, including the Bataclan, San Bernardino, Orlando, and who knows what else.
You know Hillary is bad when boutons and I are on the same page.

Pelicans78
06-16-2016, 03:04 PM
You know Hillary is bad when boutons and I are on the same page.

That's the truth :lol

Aztecfan03
06-16-2016, 03:22 PM
Damn Trump is going after the NRA now. Seems like ever since he won the nomination he's been doing everything he can to lose the nomination.

He doesn't mean 99% of the shit he says. He's a con artist.

boutons_deux
06-16-2016, 03:25 PM
You know Hillary is bad when boutons and I are on the same page.

We're not on the same page, Trash supporter, and I laugh at your statement that we are. G F Y

RandomGuy
06-16-2016, 04:26 PM
Nuanced. Yeah. :rolleyes

She is an ivy league lawyer. That implies someone fairly sharp.

She has also had the benefit of years of high-level state department briefings.

Do you not think she has an advanced understanding of US foreign policy and geopolitics?

RandomGuy
06-16-2016, 04:27 PM
We're not on the same page, Trash supporter, and I laugh at your statement that we are. G F Y

Who are you gonna vote for this fall?

RandomGuy
06-16-2016, 04:28 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/FB_IMG_1466047141882_zpsdbtypdym.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/FB_IMG_1466047141882_zpsdbtypdym.jpg.html)

Saw that. I get the funny.

boutons_deux
06-16-2016, 04:30 PM
Fed eyes lasting impediments to US growth (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e1863b54-33c9-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fh ome_us%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct)


.... FT headline.

"safe" Gold trending up, means economies trending down.

RandomGuy
06-16-2016, 04:34 PM
Fed eyes lasting impediments to US growth (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e1863b54-33c9-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fh ome_us%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct)


.... FT headline.

"safe" Gold trending up, means economies trending down.


Saw that. There are a lot of investors who are beginning to be genuinely worried about emperor Trump's potential election.

boutons_deux
06-16-2016, 04:45 PM
Who are you gonna vote for this fall?

Not voting FOR anyone, voting AGAINST Trump (like about 1/3 of Hillary voters)

TheSanityAnnex
06-16-2016, 05:17 PM
Do you not think she has an advanced understanding of US foreign policy and geopolitics?by advanced do you mean staging coups around the globe and taking bribes from foreign countries for political favors?

CosmicCowboy
06-16-2016, 05:19 PM
She definitely is a master at maximizing her personal return selling influence. She sure didn't make hundreds of millions on the Sec of State salary.

Trill Clinton
06-16-2016, 05:35 PM
Damn Trump is going after the NRA now. Seems like ever since he won the nomination he's been doing everything he can to lose the nomination.
It's weird. Most of his supporters said he'd tone down his rhetoric after the GOP primary and swing more towards the center in the general.

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 06:46 PM
She is an ivy league lawyer. That implies someone fairly sharp.

She has also had the benefit of years of high-level state department briefings.

Do you not think she has an advanced understanding of US foreign policy and geopolitics?

Ted Cruz is sharp. So fucking what?
No, Im not certain she has an advanced understanding of US or geopolitics in general.

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 06:47 PM
Not voting FOR anyone, voting AGAINST Trump (like about 1/3 of Hillary voters)

So, yeah. You're voting for HRC. Enjoy.

Th'Pusher
06-16-2016, 07:09 PM
So, yeah. You're voting for HRC. Enjoy.
And who will TB be voting for?

SnakeBoy
06-16-2016, 07:18 PM
It's weird. Most of his supporters said he'd tone down his rhetoric after the GOP primary and swing more towards the center in the general.

It's not so much about moving to the center, he's just saying and doing some really stupid shit right now that doesn't benefit him with any side. He also went off on US soldiers stealing cash in Iraq during a rally yesterday.

When he first announced I assumed it was a publicity stunt and he didn't really want to be the nominee. I'm starting to think that was the case but his primary opponents were so shitty he couldn't help but win. Maybe he is trying to force the GOP to dump Trump so he can spend the rest of his life saying "I told you so" no matter what happens in the election.

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 07:25 PM
And who will TB be voting for?

Rin Tin Tin.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-16-2016, 07:29 PM
Ted Cruz is sharp. So fucking what?
No, Im not certain she has an advanced understanding of US or geopolitics in general.

Between the God delusion and his carpet bombing nonsense, I beg to differ about Cruz.

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 07:31 PM
He is considered by his peers on both sides to have a pretty impressive brain pan. That doesn't mean he's wise or even particularly competent.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-16-2016, 07:36 PM
He is considered by his peers on both sides to have a pretty impressive brain pan. That doesn't mean he's wise or even particularly competent.

I don't think many of the congresspeople are all that bright either. A whole lot of average and worse for the most part from what I've seen coming out of committee. When money becomes the deciding factor instead of merit, its bound to happen.

With Cruz specifically it's hard to tell empirically because the only policy he ever puts forward is obstructionism. His sycophants in the freedom caucus like Lee and Inhofe are some real mouthbreathers.

boutons_deux
06-16-2016, 07:50 PM
Krazy Kruz is Lex Luthor, and as much of fraud as Trash.

In his great wisdom, he's still committed to repealing ACA.

spurraider21
06-16-2016, 08:36 PM
She is an ivy league lawyer. That implies someone fairly sharp.

She has also had the benefit of years of high-level state department briefings.

Do you not think she has an advanced understanding of US foreign policy and geopolitics?
Ted Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton and Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law

how would you feel about him being president?

Reck
06-16-2016, 08:39 PM
Ted Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton and Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law

how would you feel about him being president?

Dude, I'm surprised you haven't called him a white knight yet.

Th'Pusher
06-16-2016, 08:40 PM
Rin Tin Tin.

So yeah. You're voting for Trump. Enjoy

His heritage is German :lol

spurraider21
06-16-2016, 08:41 PM
Dude, I'm surprised you haven't called him a white knight yet.
because he isn't. he's a party loyalist who has criticized clinton plenty throughout the process. you take every opportunity you can to semen shield. big difference

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 09:29 PM
So yeah. You're voting for Trump. Enjoy

His heritage is German :lol

Fine. Ill vote Gary Busey.

Reck
06-16-2016, 09:50 PM
because he isn't. he's a party loyalist who has criticized clinton plenty throughout the process. you take every opportunity you can to semen shield. big difference

Spoken like someone who hadn't seeing my earlier post when the primary season started.

I gave both her and Bernie an equal shot at winning my vote. I remained opened throughout. I called it like I see it, unlike you who seem to be all over the place. :lol

Th'Pusher
06-16-2016, 09:58 PM
Fine. Ill vote Gary Busey.

Still firmly in the trump vein tbh.

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 10:13 PM
Still firmly in the trump vein tbh.
Its the hair, right?

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 10:21 PM
Keep trying to shoehorn me into Trump. It makes me giggle.

Th'Pusher
06-16-2016, 10:25 PM
Its the hair, right?

it's the lunacy.

Th'Pusher
06-16-2016, 10:26 PM
Keep trying to shoehorn me into Trump. It makes me giggle.

I just find it amusing you wont answer a direct question. Who are you voting for TB?

TeyshaBlue
06-16-2016, 10:32 PM
Amusing....ok. Honestly, probably anyone beside Clinton/Trump. Really havent made up my mind. We've got just a bit of time left...

spurraider21
06-16-2016, 10:35 PM
Keep trying to shoehorn me into Trump. It makes me giggle.
That's his shtick tbh

Th'Pusher
06-16-2016, 10:39 PM
Amusing....ok. Honestly, probably anyone beside Clinton/Trump. Really havent made up my mind. We've got just a bit of time left...

Meh. that's where I'm at too. Would vote for Hillary in the unlikely event it mattered in Texas.

Th'Pusher
06-16-2016, 10:40 PM
That's his shtick tbh

That's not my schtick at all. that said, hypothetically, you cast the deciding vote, who do you vote for, Hillary or Trump?

spurraider21
06-16-2016, 11:10 PM
That's not my schtick at all. that said, hypothetically, you cast the deciding vote, who do you vote for, Hillary or Trump?
Gun to my head between the two? Easily shillary. But I can't in good conscience vote for her. I live in CA, the populace will do it for me

boutons_deux
06-17-2016, 03:51 AM
Its the hair, right?

Fraudulent hair, fraudulent skin, fraudulent business success, fraudeulent Trash U., fraudulent Republican, authentic con man.

RandomGuy
06-17-2016, 09:42 AM
by advanced do you mean staging coups around the globe and taking bribes from foreign countries for political favors?

bribes?

Link?

This should be fun.

RandomGuy
06-17-2016, 12:52 PM
Ted Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton and Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law

how would you feel about him being president?

If I knew nothing else about him, I would say he is pretty bright.

That said, what would worry me is his belief in the conspiracy theory about climate scientists, his call to repeal the federal Common Core law (doesn't exist),


During an interview with CNN’s Candy Crowley, Cruz continued to ratchet up the Ebola fear machine as much as possible by saying that we shouldn’t trust medical experts – because they’re all working for President Obama. When asked by Crowley to defend his push for a travel ban, despite the fact that it’s near unanimous among medical experts that a travel ban would make the situation worse, Cruz said, “The doctors and experts that are saying this are working for the administration and are repeating the administration talking points. Their arguments don’t make sense.”

Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/ted-cruz-looks-like-absolute-idiot-discussing-ebola-cnn-interview-video/

"net neutrality is Obamacare for the internet"--tweet


“I believe that public policy should follow the science and follow the data,” Cruz replied. “I am the son of two mathematicians and computer programmers and scientists. In the debate over global warming, far too often politicians in Washington — and for that matter a number of scientists receiving large government grants — disregard the science and data and instead push political ideology.”


Ted Cruz: While his kooky father would like you to know that evolution is a Communist lie, the Texas senator himself “won’t discuss evolution directly,” the New Yorker reported.

Cruz very pointedly never says anything about it, but runs in some pretty indicative circles.

That and some of his other policy stances, and combative temprament...

No.

He might have some book-learnin' but he seems to be a slave to his own confirmation bias.

Really smart people can be smart in their own areas of expertise, but morons outside of it.

The fact that he thinks data can be subjective, scares the bejeebus out of me, although it is a common thread among conservatives, who seem to deal with facts that contradict their internal model of reality with outright blanket dismissals.

boutons_deux
06-17-2016, 01:00 PM
Krazy Kruz absolutely knows he's LYING, CONNING, DEMAGOGUING.

He knows, and doesn't doubt, what the science says about biological evolution, AGW, etc, etc.

Hey, dubya graduated from Yale, and Harvard Business, both under "affirmative action", and he was, still is dumb as a bag of hammers.

spurraider21
06-17-2016, 01:00 PM
Hillary hasn't done anything alarming?

Also, did Cruz actually say the data itself is subjective? Or maybe the interpretation of the data

TeyshaBlue
06-17-2016, 05:04 PM
Not important.

TheSanityAnnex
06-17-2016, 06:05 PM
bribes?

Link?

This should be fun.
Do you really need a link to the ongoing FBI investigation with the Clinton foundation? FFS

TheSanityAnnex
06-17-2016, 06:06 PM
bribes?

Link?

This should be fun.
And LOL at no comment on the coups

TheSanityAnnex
06-17-2016, 06:09 PM
Hillary hasn't done anything alarming?



mind blowing smart people like RandomGuy are able to just let it slide because of party affiliation. The Clintons could easily be the most corrupt politicians this country has ever seen.

Th'Pusher
06-17-2016, 07:04 PM
The Clintons could easily be the most corrupt politicians this country has ever seen.

:lol

What an embarrassing statement lacking any understanding of American history.

I recommend editing this post asap

Reck
06-17-2016, 09:38 PM
TSA likes to bring up outrageous claims without fact backing it. Kind of like Trump.


He likes to bring up the FBI investigation but never actually has anything concrete other than what he can find on the ultra concervative sites that are dedicated to publishing negative opinion pieces on the Clintons.

CosmicCowboy
06-17-2016, 09:47 PM
TSA likes to bring up outrageous claims without fact backing it. Kind of like Trump.


He likes to bring up the FBI investigation but never actually has anything concrete other than what he can find on the ultra concervative sites that are dedicated to publishing negative opinion pieces on the Clintons.

Pot/Kettle

Yin/Yang

Reck
06-17-2016, 10:00 PM
Pot/Kettle

Yin/Yang

What are you talking about? I dont have the energy to come here and say unfounded shit. Find me a post where I have said something that wasn't true.

I've called Trump a fraud before..which is true and the least hidden gem that comes with Trump.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-18-2016, 01:22 AM
Pot/Kettle

Yin/Yang

Going cavalier for TSA. How cute.

tlongII
06-18-2016, 11:36 AM
Bonnerific has to be the dumbest poster on this site.

CosmicCowboy
06-18-2016, 11:51 AM
Bonnerific has to be the dumbest poster on this site.

He is just like an emotionally hysterical 7th grader that just learned about cussing.

Thinks he is a badass.

He will get his ass handed to him by the big boys when he gets to the real world.

tlongII
06-18-2016, 11:56 AM
He is just like an emotionally hysterical 7th grader that just learned about cussing.

Thinks he is a badass.

He will get his ass handed to him by the big boys when he gets to the real world.

I should be easy on him. He's a kid after all.

spurraider21
06-18-2016, 12:41 PM
:lol this kids not bad. surprisingly his worst impression was trump, but otherwise it was pretty good for an 8th grade kid

trump - 0:36
cruz - 2:25
obama - 3:35
clint:loln - 5:38
sanders - 6:38


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0khR11eRvfQ

CosmicCowboy
06-18-2016, 01:55 PM
This election is like choosing what kind of bread you want with your shit sandwich.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-18-2016, 03:43 PM
In the dictionary under the word irony is a picture of you.


You are slightly less repulsive in your stupidity than the pedos cc and tsa, and racist retardmt, but there is nothing deep about anything you have ever posted.

You actually tried to post a bullshit article about the successes of Brownback in Kansas because you listened to the idiots that think for you rather than ridiculous things like FACTS. That alone should make you so embarrassed that you continue to steal oxygen that you kill yourself.

The reality is you are stupid fuck. The good news is there is a cure for being a cancer on this board and to society. You should definitely do the right thing and kill yourself.

:lol

tlongII
06-18-2016, 05:27 PM
In the dictionary under the word irony is a picture of you.


You are slightly less repulsive in your stupidity than the pedos cc and tsa, and racist retardmt, but there is nothing deep about anything you have ever posted.

You actually tried to post a bullshit article about the successes of Brownback in Kansas because you listened to the idiots that think for you rather than ridiculous things like FACTS. That alone should make you so embarrassed that you continue to steal oxygen that you kill yourself.

The reality is you are stupid fuck. The good news is there is a cure for being a cancer on this board and to society. You should definitely do the right thing and kill yourself.

You are an idiot.

tlongII
06-18-2016, 05:28 PM
But it's okay because you're a kid.

tlongII
06-18-2016, 05:29 PM
Kids get a pass.

tlongII
06-18-2016, 05:29 PM
So it's all good.

tlongII
06-19-2016, 09:15 AM
Oh wow, so you're dumber than a fifth grader. So how does it make you feel that a "kid" is smarter than you? Seriously, outside of retardmt, you are dumbest poster on this site.

You get your shit pushed in by boutons for Christ sakes, let alone any of the actual intelligent people on here.

Seriously just end your life

Yep, you're an idiot.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-19-2016, 04:27 PM
Donald Trump has vowed to remake the electoral map by winning states that have been reliably blue in recent cycles — but the GOP’s best pollsters say his bluster is a long way from aligning with reality.

Trump, who has been slow to campaign in swing states while raising money by stumping in red states like Texas last week, should be able to count on winning Republican strongholds — states such as Arizona (11 Electoral College votes) and Georgia (16), where he campaigned last Wednesday, despite some optimism from Democrats that those increasingly diverse states could be put in play. In total, the party’s electoral math gurus say the presumptive GOP nominee likely starts the general election with a hold on 19 states, giving him a total of 164 Electoral College votes.

To reach 270, Trump’s team is aiming to capture America’s Rust Belt — specifically, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin — where polls generally show him performing better than Mitt Romney did at this point in 2012. If he can capture Florida and keep North Carolina — the 2012 red state of the lightest hue — a strong showing that includes capture of the Rust Belt could, Trump’s team believes, put him over the top.

But the odds are long, veteran strategists said.

“It’s a fantasy. Romney got 19 percent of nonwhites. Is Trump going to do better? I don’t think so,” said Stuart Stevens, Romney’s 2012 campaign strategist. “It’s a joke. It’s just talking. It has no grounding in reality.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-path-to-victory-224239#ixzz4C3y5zzDl

FuzzyLumpkins
06-19-2016, 04:28 PM
Yep, you're an idiot.

Yet the 'idiot' and a smilie had you in a mini-meltdown spamfest around this time yesterday. What does that make you?

FuzzyLumpkins
06-19-2016, 04:30 PM
Hillary Clinton’s super PAC has begun spending $145 million on ads in eight states through November — and there’s a realistic path for her to win the White House even if she carries only one of them.

It’s a sign of how strongly tilted the Electoral College map is in Clinton’s favor, as she begins a general election campaign building upon the demographic and geographic coalition that President Obama rode to two electoral landslides. Donald Trump, in contrast, must dramatically reimagine and redraw the political landscape to capture the presidency.

Rather than expand the 2012 map in any significant way, the Clinton campaign and its allies want to replicate it. They are obsessed with choking off Trump’s narrower path, hoping to strike a decisive victory in Florida — multiple Clinton officials declared there is nearly no path for Trump without it — while aggressively defending the Democratic-leaning states in the industrial Midwest that Trump has talked most about flipping — most importantly, Pennsylvania. Campaign officials say they think Clinton can turn out more female voters than Obama did. But they see one surrogate in particular as key to recreating the Obama coalition: President Barack Obama himself.

Clinton has a multitude of paths, as her allies and advisers see it. Trump has a single route: ginning up disaffected, non-college educated, working-class white voters -- many whom may never have voted before -- to sweep across the Rust Belt, in places like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-path-victory-224228#ixzz4C3yp7khv

FuzzyLumpkins
06-19-2016, 04:43 PM
SuperPACs and police unions are the two biggest problems in our country today.

tlongII
06-19-2016, 04:59 PM
Yet the 'idiot' and a smilie had you in a mini-meltdown spamfest around this time yesterday. What does that make you?

Mini-meltdown? Really? :lol

FuzzyLumpkins
06-19-2016, 05:43 PM
Mini-meltdown? Really? :lol

Stream of consciousness multiposting gives such insight, yes. You were trying extremely hard to come up with an excuse to justify it as inconsequential. I'm now shitting on that excuse to put it in your terms. It is what it is.

tlongII
06-19-2016, 08:08 PM
Stream of consciousness multiposting gives such insight, yes. You were trying extremely hard to come up with an excuse to justify it as inconsequential. I'm now shitting on that excuse to put it in your terms. It is what it is.

:lmao

Reck
06-19-2016, 09:22 PM
How do you get the NRA to trash talk you after just being endorsed by them? :lmao

http://nypost.com/2016/06/19/nra-says-trumps-orlando-comments-defy-common-sense/

Trump is the poster child for the average moron in America.

RandomGuy
06-20-2016, 12:49 PM
Do you really need a link to the ongoing FBI investigation with the Clinton foundation? FFS

So, you don't really have a link to back up the claim. Ok then, thanks.

RandomGuy
06-20-2016, 12:50 PM
Yep, you're an idiot.

And you are dishonest.

Do we all feel better now?

RandomGuy
06-20-2016, 12:56 PM
And LOL at no comment on the coups

Do I need to comment on every single one of your yaps?

My time is not unlimited. Besides, when I ask you for support, or clarifications, I don't seem to be getting much in the way of backup, and when you get called on your crap, you just run away.

What is my motivation to comment on something you haven't defined, presented any evidence for, nor shown/explained why something is important?

RandomGuy
06-20-2016, 12:58 PM
Do you really need a link to the ongoing FBI investigation with the Clinton foundation? FFS

Yup.

I need to be able to evaluate claims at their source. Your claim, your burden of proof. It really isn't that hard. Who/what/where/when/why.

The election has made me tune out of the news, because I am sick of hearing about it, so I am just not as up on current events as I have been in the past.

RandomGuy
06-20-2016, 01:01 PM
Donald Trump Parts Ways With Controversial Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski


The New Hampshire native had no experience on national campaigns, and had jealously protected his access to and influence with Trump, arguing that letting “Trump be Trump” was the strategy that would win the White House just as it won the nomination.

But Lewandowski faced increasing pressure from both inside the campaign and from Republican Party leaders to broaden his approach and conduct a more traditional campaign to go up against Democrat Hillary Clinton.

For weeks, Lewandowski had been competing with longtime GOP lobbyist and consultant Paul Manafort, who was originally brought in to manage the campaign’s delegate tracking operation for the nominating convention in Cleveland.

Even as Manafort went to Republican National Committee members and Republican members of the House and Senate to assure them that Trump would adopt a more “presidential” tone and strategy after he secured the nomination, Lewandowski worked to keep things as they had been.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-corey-lewandowski_us_5767f5bbe4b0853f8bf15aba

RandomGuy
06-20-2016, 01:02 PM
Wonder if this will start a pivot.

boutons_deux
06-20-2016, 01:13 PM
Wonder if this will start a pivot.

nope, Trash said this weekend he doesn't need the Repug establishment to win.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-20-2016, 06:58 PM
Trump fired his campaign manager which apparently has the rank and file therein pleased.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-campaign-corey-lewandowski-manager-224536

Reck
06-20-2016, 09:00 PM
Trump only has 1.3 million dollars in cash. :lmao :lmao

tlongII
06-20-2016, 09:28 PM
And you are dishonest.

Do we all feel better now?

I feel great. How about you?

FuzzyLumpkins
06-21-2016, 02:50 AM
Donald Trump's campaign started the month with a paltry $1.3 million in cash — a mere fraction of Hillary Clinton's $42.5 million war chest — putting the GOP frontrunner at a sharp disadvantage heading into the general election against Clinton's money machine.

On the same day that Trump fired his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, amid a steady stream of reports of campaign infighting and disorganization, the latest batch of Federal Election Commission filings show that the real estate mogul has a long way to go to establish a financial operation that can compete at the national level.

And it's not just money — the filings revealed a campaign staff of less than 70, a number was dwarfed by Clinton's nearly 700 paid employees, and few of the campaign's expenses suggested work had begun to build out a more robust operation. All together, it's the most lopsided fundraising start to a presidential election in the modern campaign finance era.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/scrawny-trump-campaign-sputters-into-general-224580#ixzz4CCLUPm3e

RandomGuy
06-21-2016, 10:49 AM
I feel great. How about you?

Pretty good. Still working on building my new gaming rig. It would go a lot faster if the cars would quit needing maintenance.

TheGreatYacht
06-21-2016, 12:05 PM
1.3 Million? Holy crap. That's Matt Bonner money :lmao

This is gonna be a lands lin for Hillary

baseline bum
06-21-2016, 01:19 PM
Pretty good. Still working on building my new gaming rig. It would go a lot faster if the cars would quit needing maintenance.

Probably not lol, good luck finding a GTX 1070. It may be another few weeks before these bitches stop selling out five minutes after they go up on newegg, amazon, etc. :lol

Of all of them out there right now, this one's probably the best deal:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125871

SpursforSix
06-21-2016, 01:30 PM
Probably not lol, good luck finding a GTX 1070. It may be another few weeks before these bitches stop selling out five minutes after they go up on newegg, amazon, etc. :lol

Of all of them out there right now, this one's probably the best deal:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125871

:pop: there's a designated forum for that Buster.

boutons_deux
06-21-2016, 01:56 PM
For his next trick, Trump questions Clinton’s religious faith

Recently, most of Donald Trump’s offensive rants have focus on race and ethnicity, but not religion. Any chance he can pick the slack and start making faith-based insults, too?

As it turns out, yes, he can (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284281-trump-questions-clintons-religion).

Donald Trump questioned Hillary Clinton’s commitment to her Christian faith on Tuesday, saying that little is known about her spiritual life even though she’s been in the public eye for decades.

Speaking to a group of top social conservative evangelical Christian leaders at a gathering in New York City, Trump said, “we don’t know anything about Hillary in terms of religion.”


“Now, she’s been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there’s no – there’s nothing out there,” Trump said.

“There’s like nothing out there. It’s going to be an extension of Obama but it’s going to be worse, because with Obama you had your guard up. With Hillary you don’t, and it’s going to be worse.”

As The Hill’s report noted, the behind-closed-doors meeting was not open to the public or to journalists, but one faith leader recorded Trump’s comments and posted them online.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/his-next-trick-trump-questions-clintons-religious-faith?cid=sm_fb_maddow

RandomGuy
06-21-2016, 02:19 PM
Donald Trump's campaign started the month with a paltry $1.3 million in cash — a mere fraction of Hillary Clinton's $42.5 million war chest — putting the GOP frontrunner at a sharp disadvantage heading into the general election against Clinton's money machine.

On the same day that Trump fired his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, amid a steady stream of reports of campaign infighting and disorganization, the latest batch of Federal Election Commission filings show that the real estate mogul has a long way to go to establish a financial operation that can compete at the national level.

And it's not just money — the filings revealed a campaign staff of less than 70, a number was dwarfed by Clinton's nearly 700 paid employees, and few of the campaign's expenses suggested work had begun to build out a more robust operation. All together, it's the most lopsided fundraising start to a presidential election in the modern campaign finance era.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/scrawny-trump-campaign-sputters-into-general-224580#ixzz4CCLUPm3e

Trump's campaign cycles $6 million into Trump companies

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Donald Trump's campaign likes to keep it in the family.

When Trump flies, he uses his airplane. When he campaigns, he often chooses his properties or his own Trump Tower in New York City, which serves as headquarters. His campaign even buys Trump bottled water and Trump wine.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee has been on the campaign trail for a year now, and federal finance reports detail a campaign unafraid to co-mingle political and business endeavors in an unprecedented way — even as he is making appeals for donations.

Through the end of May, Trump's campaign had plunged at least $6.2 million back into Trump corporate products and services, a review of Federal Election Commission filings shows. That's about 10 percent of his total campaign expenditures.
Wealthy political candidates in the past have walled off their business from their campaigns, but Trump embraces his companies. Public documents indicate his revenue has risen along with his presidential aspirations.


Trump's campaign didn't respond to detailed questions about the intermingling of his businesses and campaign.

Trump isn't the first high-profile politician to run a campaign while managing large corporate assets. Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and presidential contender Steve Forbes both ran companies bearing their name.

Both took great care to carefully separate their businesses and their campaigns, their former aides said, citing the complex maze of campaign finance regulations about using corporate resources. For instance, federal rules require a company to charge their campaigns fair-market value.

Trump also lent his campaign more than $46 million over the past year — money he has largely not recouped, according to FEC reports.

The campaign has paid about $520,000 to Trump Tower Commercial LLC and the Trump Corporation for rent and utilities. The campaign also paid $423,000 to Trump's private Mar-a-Lago Club in south Florida for rent and catering and an additional $135,000 in rent and utilities to Trump Restaurants LLC.

The campaign paid out $26,000 in January to rent out a facility at Trump National Doral, his golf course in Miami. He'd held an event in the gold-accented ballroom there in late October. The campaign paid almost $11,000 to Trump's hotel in Chicago.

Even $4.7 million the campaign has spent on hats and T-shirts has a tie to Trump. The provider, Ace Specialties, is owned by a board member of son Eric Trump's charitable foundation.

FuzzyLumpkins
06-21-2016, 07:52 PM
Trump's campaign cycles $6 million into Trump companies

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Donald Trump's campaign likes to keep it in the family.

When Trump flies, he uses his airplane. When he campaigns, he often chooses his properties or his own Trump Tower in New York City, which serves as headquarters. His campaign even buys Trump bottled water and Trump wine.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee has been on the campaign trail for a year now, and federal finance reports detail a campaign unafraid to co-mingle political and business endeavors in an unprecedented way — even as he is making appeals for donations.

Through the end of May, Trump's campaign had plunged at least $6.2 million back into Trump corporate products and services, a review of Federal Election Commission filings shows. That's about 10 percent of his total campaign expenditures.
Wealthy political candidates in the past have walled off their business from their campaigns, but Trump embraces his companies. Public documents indicate his revenue has risen along with his presidential aspirations.


Trump's campaign didn't respond to detailed questions about the intermingling of his businesses and campaign.

Trump isn't the first high-profile politician to run a campaign while managing large corporate assets. Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and presidential contender Steve Forbes both ran companies bearing their name.

Both took great care to carefully separate their businesses and their campaigns, their former aides said, citing the complex maze of campaign finance regulations about using corporate resources. For instance, federal rules require a company to charge their campaigns fair-market value.

Trump also lent his campaign more than $46 million over the past year — money he has largely not recouped, according to FEC reports.

The campaign has paid about $520,000 to Trump Tower Commercial LLC and the Trump Corporation for rent and utilities. The campaign also paid $423,000 to Trump's private Mar-a-Lago Club in south Florida for rent and catering and an additional $135,000 in rent and utilities to Trump Restaurants LLC.

The campaign paid out $26,000 in January to rent out a facility at Trump National Doral, his golf course in Miami. He'd held an event in the gold-accented ballroom there in late October. The campaign paid almost $11,000 to Trump's hotel in Chicago.

Even $4.7 million the campaign has spent on hats and T-shirts has a tie to Trump. The provider, Ace Specialties, is owned by a board member of son Eric Trump's charitable foundation.

Not difficult to see where this dynamic is going. Imagine him as president and all the pork he would send his way. Try to do outdo Cheney and the Bush family with regards to government contracts.

CosmicCowboy
06-21-2016, 09:10 PM
That's chicken feed compared to Hillary's money whoring.

Reck
06-22-2016, 04:10 AM
That's chicken feed compared to Hillary's money whoring.

Is there anything that Trump supporters won't excuse? Saint Trump over here.

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2016, 07:35 AM
Is there anything that Trump supporters won't excuse? Saint Trump over here.

Is there anything Hillary supporters won't excuse?

Little hypocrisy there, Reck.

I'm not even a Trump supporter but that nit picking is tiny compared to Hillary's blatant money whoring.

Reck
06-22-2016, 08:31 AM
Is there anything Hillary supporters won't excuse?

Little hypocrisy there, Reck.

I'm not even a Trump supporter but that nit picking is tiny compared to Hillary's blatant money whoring.

I've admitted as much that Hillary has tons of baggage and as far as candidates go she is a weak one, but not against Trump.

Trump supporters think his shit doesn't stink. They dont even think much of his bankruptcies he caused. Defend his bigotry and take think he actually know what he's doing when everything points the other way.

There is sticking up for your candidate and suspending disbelief because the facts dont support you at all.

Th'Pusher
06-22-2016, 08:34 AM
Is there anything Hillary supporters won't excuse?

Little hypocrisy there, Reck.

I'm not even a Trump supporter but that nit picking is tiny compared to Hillary's blatant money whoring.

:lol just admit you're going to be giddy as fuck pulling that all R lever with Trump atop the ticket.

Because of the Supreme Court vacancy of course :lol

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2016, 08:48 AM
:lol just admit you're going to be giddy as fuck pulling that all R lever with Trump atop the ticket.

Because of the Supreme Court vacancy of course :lol

I think a vote for Trump will be pointless.

Sadly, Hillary is going to win in a landslide.

I will probably throw my vote away on Gary Johnson.

RandomGuy
06-22-2016, 09:09 AM
Is there anything Hillary supporters won't excuse?

Little hypocrisy there, Reck.

I'm not even a Trump supporter but that nit picking is tiny compared to Hillary's blatant money whoring.

Okay, "blatant money whoring" can you fill that out please?

I hear it, but still only have the vaguest idea as to what it refers to. Just don't point me to overly conservative websites, they tend to have nasty, nasty computer viruses.

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2016, 09:16 AM
Okay, "blatant money whoring" can you fill that out please?

I hear it, but still only have the vaguest idea as to what it refers to. Just don't point me to overly conservative websites, they tend to have nasty, nasty computer viruses.

Not even going to the Clinton Foundation and just talking about personal enrichment, look at Bills speech value increasing geometrically while Hillary was Secretary of State, Look at Hillary's Wall street speeches for millions while she was the presumptive next democratic nominee for President, etc. and her absolute refusal to release transcripts.

You are pretty astute on politics. I shouldn't need to give you actual links as these have been discussed ad nauseum in all media, including Bernies speeches.

pgardn
06-22-2016, 10:02 AM
Not even going to the Clinton Foundation and just talking about personal enrichment, look at Bills speech value increasing geometrically while Hillary was Secretary of State, Look at Hillary's Wall street speeches for millions while she was the presumptive next democratic nominee for President, etc. and her absolute refusal to release transcripts.

You are pretty astute on politics. I shouldn't need to give you actual links as these have been discussed ad nauseum in all media, including Bernies speeches.

She is doing a very Republican thing. Donald is not beholden to any group, he will act purely from his own instincts, which we know is a HUGE problem. Basically because he is a lunatic. The choice was made easy by Republicans. Not an ideal situation but here we are.

z0sa
06-22-2016, 10:08 AM
Trump's campaign cycles $6 million into Trump companies

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Donald Trump's campaign likes to keep it in the family.

When Trump flies, he uses his airplane. When he campaigns, he often chooses his properties or his own Trump Tower in New York City, which serves as headquarters. His campaign even buys Trump bottled water and Trump wine.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee has been on the campaign trail for a year now, and federal finance reports detail a campaign unafraid to co-mingle political and business endeavors in an unprecedented way — even as he is making appeals for donations.

Through the end of May, Trump's campaign had plunged at least $6.2 million back into Trump corporate products and services, a review of Federal Election Commission filings shows. That's about 10 percent of his total campaign expenditures.
Wealthy political candidates in the past have walled off their business from their campaigns, but Trump embraces his companies. Public documents indicate his revenue has risen along with his presidential aspirations.


Trump's campaign didn't respond to detailed questions about the intermingling of his businesses and campaign.

Trump isn't the first high-profile politician to run a campaign while managing large corporate assets. Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and presidential contender Steve Forbes both ran companies bearing their name.

Both took great care to carefully separate their businesses and their campaigns, their former aides said, citing the complex maze of campaign finance regulations about using corporate resources. For instance, federal rules require a company to charge their campaigns fair-market value.

Trump also lent his campaign more than $46 million over the past year — money he has largely not recouped, according to FEC reports.

The campaign has paid about $520,000 to Trump Tower Commercial LLC and the Trump Corporation for rent and utilities. The campaign also paid $423,000 to Trump's private Mar-a-Lago Club in south Florida for rent and catering and an additional $135,000 in rent and utilities to Trump Restaurants LLC.

The campaign paid out $26,000 in January to rent out a facility at Trump National Doral, his golf course in Miami. He'd held an event in the gold-accented ballroom there in late October. The campaign paid almost $11,000 to Trump's hotel in Chicago.

Even $4.7 million the campaign has spent on hats and T-shirts has a tie to Trump. The provider, Ace Specialties, is owned by a board member of son Eric Trump's charitable foundation.

He has been mostly self funded. When you're self funded, it's hard to bat an eye. That's why his "warchest" is only a tiny fraction of Hillary's, though. People aren't really going to donate to him because that's sort of his main appeal - being rich enough to stay outside of the political "game." At least, that's what his supporters believe.

RandomGuy
06-22-2016, 02:32 PM
Not even going to the Clinton Foundation and just talking about personal enrichment, look at Bills speech value increasing geometrically while Hillary was Secretary of State, Look at Hillary's Wall street speeches for millions while she was the presumptive next democratic nominee for President, etc. and her absolute refusal to release transcripts.

You are pretty astute on politics. I shouldn't need to give you actual links as these have been discussed ad nauseum in all media, including Bernies speeches.

I fail to see how a charitable foundation privately enriches the Clintons. Conservatives have been trying to (unfairly it would seem) ding that with little effect, which causes me to be highly skeptical of most criticisms.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

Another thing I just don't understand is what the fucking deal is about "the speeches".

Are we going to give a shit about how the free market prices something?

While I haven't looked into the pricing, or anything, the people making the case about that providing some undue influence, have to be better about proving out an accusation then "it looks fishy to me" from someone with a direct motivation to lie about what it "looks like".

If there was something specific, that would out itself pretty quickly.

Are we going to hold every single candidate 100% responsible to release transcripts of all their speeches given to private groups? Are/did you going to insist on that for Mitt Romney? If not, then why not?

There is a big reason why I tend to give this shit short shrift, especially since most of it comes from political enemies. That right there makes me want a good deal more evidence, and more specific evidence than I might otherwise, and I haven't gotten anything, which causes my skept-o-meter to edge into the red.

RandomGuy
06-22-2016, 02:35 PM
He has been mostly self funded. When you're self funded, it's hard to bat an eye. That's why his "warchest" is only a tiny fraction of Hillary's, though. People aren't really going to donate to him because that's sort of his main appeal - being rich enough to stay outside of the political "game." At least, that's what his supporters believe.

'He doesn't have the cash'—Mark Cuban calls out Trump


In the latest installment of "billionaire Mark Cuban is unimpressed by Donald Trump," the entrepreneur let loose on Twitter on Tuesday morning questioning the presumptive GOP nominee's cash reserves.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/he-doesnt-have-the-cash-mark-cuban-calls-out-trump.html


Mark Cuban ✔ @mcuban
If @realDonaldTrump were fractionally as rich as he says he is,he would write a$200mm check to propel his campaign. He doesn't have the cash

That is the ultimate bombshell that I believe is hidden in Trumps tax returns.

He is nowhere near as rich as he wants everybody to believe. That his campaign is starving is an interesting bit of data to ponder.

spurraider21
06-22-2016, 02:40 PM
Are we going to give a shit about how the free market prices something?
Ask pharmabro

RandomGuy
06-22-2016, 02:43 PM
Ask pharmabro

True that.

But speeches aren't life-saving medicines.

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2016, 02:44 PM
I told you RG, I gave the Clinton Foundation a pass for now. I will be interested to see what the FBI comes up with if it's allowed to be public.

The 153 million in "speech fees" paid by special interests (mostly banks and foreign countries) to Bill and Hillary since 2001 was personal income in their pocket.

You may be blind to it but it certainly stinks of buying influence, especially considering their past track record (Mark Rich, etc.)

FuzzyLumpkins
06-22-2016, 08:58 PM
I told you RG, I gave the Clinton Foundation a pass for now. I will be interested to see what the FBI comes up with if it's allowed to be public.

The 153 million in "speech fees" paid by special interests (mostly banks and foreign countries) to Bill and Hillary since 2001 was personal income in their pocket.

You may be blind to it but it certainly stinks of buying influence, especially considering their past track record (Mark Rich, etc.)

Paying for access is how our political system works. I agree it's fucked up but I'm not going to act surprised and newly outraged by it. I do need ot start a thread about that hack dump of the Clinton Foundation though. Cannot believe its gotten a pass.

RandomGuy
06-23-2016, 10:49 AM
I told you RG, I gave the Clinton Foundation a pass for now. I will be interested to see what the FBI comes up with if it's allowed to be public.

The 153 million in "speech fees" paid by special interests (mostly banks and foreign countries) to Bill and Hillary since 2001 was personal income in their pocket.

You may be blind to it but it certainly stinks of buying influence, especially considering their past track record (Mark Rich, etc.)

I am not blind to it.

Your problem in hanging your hat on it, is that all ex-presidents give speeches, and our entire political system is awash in money, and apparent conflicts of interest.

Why are you holding the Clintons accountable to a higher standard than say, the Bushes? or Reagan?

http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/18/trump-reagan-blair-biz-media-cx_lh_0318speeches.html

I would note Trump's fees are right up there.

If your problem is influence... how much influence could $1.5M buy?

It all looks bad, to me.

As much as it may be influence peddling, I would ask for any concrete associations. If it is a bribe as the moron TheSannityAnnex implies, but is too lazy/dishonest to bother trying to prove, then the link should be clear.

If there isn't some very specific quid pro quo, all you have is the usual partisan bullshit, and the kind of smear that the right excels at, i.e. doorbell ringing, then running away.

To be clear:

I am sure there is generally some expectation of access on the part of some, or even most of the people giving to the Clinton foundation. That seems to be the way things work for both Democrats and Republicans. I would prefer that money would have less of an influence, but getting rid of it would almost certainly have some negative unintended consequences, e.g. do we then tell businesses with billions at stake, NOT to say/do anything to protect their interests?

What I think a lot of people are missing is that the Clinton Foundation is a charity. That is an important aspect that the right-wing media glosses over in their rush to score propaganda victories at the expense of a more accurate picture.

The big problem I have, and why I give this all a lot of short shrift is that the charges are so amorphous.

If it is bad in some specific way, that is a whole other matter.

If, for example, funds were given, and some contract was steered to/from someone, and the harm was measurable, that would be meaningful.

This is the kind of stuff I don't see much of, when I go looking for information about this. Which lead me to think it is just a lot of partisan bullshit.

IF there was something really provably illegal, that would out pretty quickly. At best what is implied is something that can be said to be unethical, but ultimately, without direct proof of intent or state of mind, can't be proven to any definitive degree.

One generally should look to political enemies to be the first to bring forth negative things you need to fully judge someone. I am cool with that happening, and it is, to me, a good part of the political process.

What I don't do, though, is put too much stock in the strength of thouse issues, until there is a pretty good amount of evidence, because so much of what goes on is pure partisan bullshit.

The right-wing propaganda machine has gotten good at implying and lying about all sorts of things that, when given a little light of day, turn out to be little more than pablum for the faithful.

That pablum seems to sastify a lot of people on the right who don't quite have good critical thinking skills. This lack of critical thinking skills plays out day in, day out here. Donning-Kruger over, and over.

People like tlong or TSA are *sure* they have *the* truth. Until you start asking questions about specifics and underlying data/assumptions.

/rant

tlongII
06-23-2016, 10:56 AM
If it looks like a duck...

RandomGuy
06-24-2016, 10:38 AM
If it looks like a duck...

... you won't answer an honest question about it. :p

FuzzyLumpkins
06-27-2016, 01:36 AM
Donald Trump said last week he hasn’t really started campaigning in the general election. It shows in his poll numbers.

After weeks of blistering news coverage, the latest round of national and battleground-state polling underscores the hole in which Trump now finds himself: trailing Hillary Clinton by a significant margin with fewer than 100 days remaining until early voting begins in the key swing states of Ohio and Iowa.

Two new, major national polls released Sunday morning — surveys from ABC News/Washington Post and NBC News/Wall Street Journal — differ to some degree, but both are consistent with the broader trend: Clinton holds a reliable lead over Trump, an advantage that occasionally swells to double digits.

Trump now trails Clinton by 6.3 points in the latest RealClearPolitics polling average, and by 6.6 points in the HuffPost Pollster model. In the key states in the Electoral College, POLITICO’s Battleground States polling average shows Clinton ahead by 4.3 points. And perhaps even more important, Trump is lagging behind on a number of other key indicators, including candidate favorability.

At this point four years ago, Mitt Romney was essentially tied with President Barack Obama, trailing by just four-tenths of a percentage point. With the exception of 1988, no candidate in modern presidential history who trailed by this much in June has come back to win.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trumps-numbers-not-a-pretty-picture-224684#ixzz4Cl7ixUBA

boutons_deux
06-29-2016, 12:48 PM
FiveThirtyEight: Site's Nate Silver Predicts Hillary Clinton Will Win General Election Over Donald Trump

The editor-in-chief of the statistical analysis website said on ABC's "Good Morning America" Wednesday that Clinton has a 79 percent chance of winning compared to 20 percent for Trump.

https://www.facebook.com/topic/FiveThirtyEight/102185646489640?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6301661960247584092

pundits, polls have been way off in the past few elections, but anyway ...

even 60% hillary vs 40% trump as winner is good enough.

Repug convention will be a hilarious zoo as the dysfunctional-almost-to-defunct Repug party embarrasses itself on national teevee.

And if Trash gets stopped, maybe some of his Trash Tramps will shoot up the place, riots. Chicago 1968 all over again. Very entertaining.

HarlemHeat37
06-29-2016, 03:41 PM
What kind of terrible nickname is "Trash"? :lol

FuzzyLumpkins
06-29-2016, 04:13 PM
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

TheGreatYacht
07-01-2016, 06:36 AM
NRA sweating harder than a republican when their cousin wears a skirt

Reck
07-12-2016, 10:43 AM
Bernie Sanders out there with Hillary. Finally endorsed her.

He's giving her far too much credit and praise. I wonder if they worked out a deal that would put him as her running mate.

Trump is losing his shit on twitter. :lmao

TheGreatYacht
07-12-2016, 01:07 PM
Millions of young voters hopping on the Hillary Clintrain.

The gig is up!

Trump is about to be embarrassed :lmao

rmt
07-12-2016, 01:09 PM
Polls this week on RealClearPolitics:

Tuesday, July 12

Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Monmouth Clinton 42, Trump 44, Johnson 6, Stein 1 Trump +2 Margin of error: +/- 4.9

Monday, July 11

Nevada: Clinton 45, Trump 41, Johnson 5 Monmouth Clinton +4 Margin of error: +/- 4.9
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein JMC Analytics Clinton 42, Trump 47, Johnson 2, Stein 1 Trump +5 Margin of error: +/- 3.7

I guess there will be a bump for Clinton after Bernie's endorsement.

Reck
07-12-2016, 01:18 PM
Why are they even bothering to add Stein and Gary on these polls? They're not players in the least.

I'm more interested in head to head matchup with just the two of them.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 01:19 PM
Why are they even bothering to add Stein and Gary on these polls? They're not players in the least.

I'm more interested in head to head matchup with just the two of them.

Because they are on the ballot.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 01:23 PM
Polls this week on RealClearPolitics:

Tuesday, July 12

Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Monmouth Clinton 42, Trump 44, Johnson 6, Stein 1 Trump +2 Margin of error: +/- 4.9

Monday, July 11

Nevada: Clinton 45, Trump 41, Johnson 5 Monmouth Clinton +4 Margin of error: +/- 4.9
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein JMC Analytics Clinton 42, Trump 47, Johnson 2, Stein 1 Trump +5 Margin of error: +/- 3.7

I guess there will be a bump for Clinton after Bernie's endorsement.

:lol why not the last two weeks?

rmt
07-12-2016, 01:25 PM
Stein and Gary seem to be pulling evenly from Clinton and Trump - maybe a very slight more pulling from Clinton from what I've observed in the difference between polls with them and without. I thought that Stein and Gary got on most of the states' ballots but not all - I wonder which ones they didn't get on - hopefully all swing states.

rmt
07-12-2016, 01:28 PM
:lol why not the last two weeks?

because it's too much formatting. Something gets mixed up when I copy and paste - maybe it's my computer? You are very welcome to post 2 weeks' worth if you want.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 01:28 PM
Stein and Gary seem to be pulling evenly from Clinton and Trump - maybe a very slight more pulling from Clinton from what I've observed in the difference between polls with them and without. I thought that Stein and Gary got on most of the states' ballots but not all - I wonder which ones they didn't get on - hopefully all swing states.

Libertarians are going to pull from the GOP and the Green party from the dems. The smallest ratio above is 2:1 for lib:green. The other you've listed was 6:1.

Maybe if you wish harder and try breathing through your nose?

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 01:30 PM
because it's too much formatting. Something gets mixed up when I copy and paste - maybe it's my computer? You are very welcome to post 2 weeks' worth if you want.

uh huh

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Trumps been getting his ass handed to him.

rmt
07-12-2016, 01:38 PM
Libertarians are going to pull from the GOP and the Green party from the dems. The smallest ratio is 2:1 for lib:green. The other you've listed was 6:1.

Maybe if you wish harder and try breathing through your nose?

I am not trying to fudge any data to suit any agenda as you are suggesting. In general, if you look at those polls that provide just Clinton/Trump head-to-head AND those with Stein and Gary, you will see that there is very little difference between the difference between Clinton and Trump - as I said, maybe a very slight more (only a point) from Clinton. I did not mean WITHIN these particular ones that I posted which don't have Clinton/Trump head to heads.

rmt
07-12-2016, 01:41 PM
uh huh

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Trumps been getting his ass handed to him.

I posted only this weeks' polls because I'm having a problem formatting. What is your problem? I didn't include last Friday's which also has Trump ahead. If you want to do 2 or 3 weeks, go ahead.

rmt
07-12-2016, 01:51 PM
Maybe I'm not expressing myself clearly:

Pls look at RealClearPolitics Thursday, July 7 - there are 2 Pew Research polls - one with Clinton/Trump head to head and another with Johnson. Spread in both is Clinton +9 - no difference. There are 2 Reuters polls - one with (spread Clinton +9) and one without Johnson and Stein (spread Clinton +11) - so my conclusion was that Johnson and Stein are very slightly drawing more from Clinton. Same thing on Monday, July 4th.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 02:01 PM
I am not trying to fudge any data to suit any agenda as you are suggesting. In general, if you look at those polls that provide just Clinton/Trump head-to-head AND those with Stein and Gary, you will see that there is very little difference between the difference between Clinton and Trump - as I said, maybe a very slight more (only a point) from Clinton. I did not mean WITHIN these particular ones that I posted which don't have Clinton/Trump head to heads.

The candidates pull what they get. It's not otherwise equal. Your method is mindless.

Reck
07-12-2016, 02:11 PM
Trump having any type of lead in Iowa is like Hillary having an type of lead in Giorgia or Alabama.

At the end of the day, Iowa remains blue, just like the previous couple of cycles.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 02:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCCW8DeB8FQ

Will Hunting
07-12-2016, 03:44 PM
Bernie Sanders out there with Hillary. Finally endorsed her.

He's giving her far too much credit and praise. I wonder if they worked out a deal that would put him as her running mate.

Trump is losing his shit on twitter. :lmao

I think Warren is the more likely running mate than sanders is. She clearly made some kind of deal with Clinton the way she stayed as neutral as she did during the primary.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 04:11 PM
I think Warren is the more likely running mate than sanders is. She clearly made some kind of deal with Clinton the way she stayed as neutral as she did during the primary.

I took that as meaning that she was going to be impartial to the process. A deal would likely result in her taking a side.

Will Hunting
07-12-2016, 06:42 PM
I took that as meaning that she was going to be impartial to the process. A deal would likely result in her taking a side.

Don't you agree that her staying impartial was essentially a victory for Clinton? If she came out and endorsed Clinton when sanders was still alive, the progressive wing of the party that worships her would view her as a sellout. This enabled her to keep her base but to still help Clinton.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-12-2016, 08:46 PM
Don't you agree that her staying impartial was essentially a victory for Clinton? If she came out and endorsed Clinton when sanders was still alive, the progressive wing of the party that worships her would view her as a sellout. This enabled her to keep her base but to still help Clinton.

If that is the case then what would her primary endorsement of Clinton be? Uberwinning? Spin a non-vote however you like.

As it is now, she prefers Clinton over Trump. Not that hard to interpret. Stein has zero chances of winning.

spankadelphia
07-13-2016, 04:05 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/07/12/many-voters-think-theyve-seen-trump-ads-on-tv-but-he-hasnt-run-any/?mod=e2tw


Nearly half of voters in a recent survey said they had seen TV ads supporting Donald Trump in the last week.

There’s just one problem: His campaign hasn’t aired any, and his friendly super PACs have run very few.

Meanwhile, 52% of respondents said they had seen an ad promoting Democrat Hillary Clinton—just six percentage points more than the proportion who said they had spotted Trump ads. Mrs. Clinton has aired more than 20,000 TV ad spots since June 8, on top of more than 11,000 aired by her friendly super PAC, (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/07/05/lagging-in-fundraising-donald-trump-has-aired-zero-tv-ads-in-last-month-report/) according to the Center for Public Integrity, which analyzed Kantar Media/CMAG ad data.

The survey, conducted by the digital marketing firm Fluent, illustrates the challenge that Mr. Trump has long posed for his rivals: He may not be running ads, but he is always on TV.

“I have a little TV in my office. If I put it on right now, I have a 75% chance of seeing him,” said Jordan Cohen, the chief marketing officer at Fluent. He attributed survey respondents’ belief that they had watched a Trump ad to Mr. Trump’s ubiquity on TV and social media.

Indeed, Mr. Trump has mastered the art of getting on TV without paying for it. His rallies are frequently carried live by cable networks. He often calls into the networks for interviews. And networks regularly splash his most controversial tweets across the screen for pundits to dissect.

The media-coverage tracker mediaQuant estimated that Mr. Trump has received more than $3.8 billion in such unpaid media exposure in the last year, compared to $1.7 billion for Mrs. Clinton.

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin


https://i.imgur.com/EKgclJS.png

CosmicCowboy
07-13-2016, 07:31 AM
Hardly a surprise. Clinton won't answer any questions from "reporters" unless they are soft ball and pre-scripted. She is predictable and boring as hell. Trump may fuck up 1 out of 3 times but he will answer every question thrown at him. All the new outlets want to cover everything Trump says hoping to catch that 1 in 3 fuckup. He is entertaining and "news".

boutons_deux
07-13-2016, 08:44 AM
"he will answer every question thrown at him."

He answers with lies 90%+ of the time.

CosmicCowboy
07-13-2016, 08:50 AM
"he will answer every question thrown at him."

He answers with lies 90%+ of the time.

The issue was why reporters cover Trump. He isn't boring and predictable.

Obviously Crooked Hillary is smart not to answer questions from reporters.

boutons_deux
07-13-2016, 09:01 AM
The issue was why reporters cover Trump. He isn't boring and predictable.

Obviously Crooked Hillary is smart not to answer questions from reporters.

Some TV exec said it clearly, Trash maybe bad for America, but he's great for my network (selling ads to BigCorp). Trash is good for business run by the Master Class.

So the "journalists" smell the Trash because they are paid to smell him.

boutons_deux
07-13-2016, 09:19 AM
In fact, the entire election is nothing a but a multi-$B business, paying consultants, talking heads, PACs, drones, "grass roots" suckers (not paid well if at all), and BigCorp paying media to run ads. Nothing but millionaires and billionaires trying to enable/increase/defend their wealth and power.

TheGreatYacht
07-14-2016, 09:36 AM
Tebow headlining the RNC :lmao :lmao :lmao

Jesus fucking Christ :lmao

I guess since training camps are starting, he couldn't find any real football players :lmao

Will probably throw his support 15 yards short of the podium and the GOP will be forced to punt :lmao

cd021
07-14-2016, 10:39 AM
Tebow headlining the RNC :lmao :lmao :lmao

Jesus fucking Christ :lmao

I guess since training camps are starting, he couldn't find any real football players :lmao

Will probably throw his support 15 yards short of the podium and the GOP will be forced to punt :lmao

Damn, straight savage.:lmao

TheGreatYacht
07-14-2016, 11:01 AM
Damn, straight savage.:lmao
Cuckservatives avoiding this thread like the plague :downspin:

cd021
07-14-2016, 02:26 PM
Cuckservatives avoiding this thread like the plague :downspin:

I consider myself independent but I am pretty much a Dem by default considering how silly the GOP has been, I hope they lose the next three elections as Karma for nominating Trump.

TheGreatYacht
07-14-2016, 03:40 PM
I consider myself independent but I am pretty much a Dem by default considering how silly the GOP has been, I hope they lose the next three elections as Karma for nominating Trump.
You're a good man, cd021 :tu

TheGreatYacht
07-15-2016, 01:54 PM
754007849022480384

Imagine picking Pence as your VP :lmao

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TP are the initials :lmao

That logo looks like it's fucking :lmao

Reck
07-15-2016, 02:15 PM
^Having second thoughts at the last minute like a cuck. :lmao

Pelicans78
07-15-2016, 02:22 PM
Honestly, he should have picked Gingrich. He wanted to all along. Pence didn't even endorse him in Indiana. That's a cuck move as well picking someone as your VP who supported another candidate.

Edward
07-16-2016, 07:43 AM
Tebow headlining the RNC :lmao :lmao :lmao

Jesus fucking Christ :lmao

I guess since training camps are starting, he couldn't find any real football players :lmao

Will probably throw his support 15 yards short of the podium and the GOP will be forced to punt :lmao
:lmao tebow never agreeing to speak in the first place but the GOP still announced him as a speaker

TheGreatYacht
07-16-2016, 08:35 AM
:lmao tebow never agreeing to speak in the first place but the GOP still announced him as a speaker
How are they gonna pander to the bible huggers now? :lmao

Today's GOP :lmao

Trill Clinton
07-16-2016, 02:09 PM
delete

Pelicans78
07-17-2016, 08:21 AM
Latest CNN poll has:

1. Clinton - 42%
2. Trump - 37%
3. Johnson - 13%
4. Stein - 5%

One of the big things to look at is Johnson going up to 13%. In order to get to the national debates, Johnson has to get to 15%.

I think Trump will get a boost from the convention this week, but I think Clinton will get a bigger boost from her convention. I think those conventions will take some steam away from Johnson and Stein.

ducks
07-17-2016, 10:17 AM
ABC/WashPost Poll: Clinton Losing Ground Among Women


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Hillary Clinton has a narrow lead of just 4 points over Donald Trump in a new national poll released Sunday.

Clinton is backed by 47 percent of voters nationally in an ABC News/Washington Post poll. Trump is at 43 percent.

But that's a steep drop from a late June version of the same poll. Back then, Clinton held a 12-point lead, 51 to 39 percent.

And while Clinton in June held a 22-percent lead among college-educated white women, pollsters found that demographic is evenly split between the two candidates.

Clinton had a double-digit lead over Trump on handling race relations, an international crisis, immigration and helping the middle class.

Trump has a 15-point edge over Clinton among white voters, while 89 percent of blacks and 74 percent of Hispanics support Clinton.


The ABC News/Washington Post poll, conducted July 11-14, has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

Reck
07-17-2016, 01:17 PM
Latest CNN poll has:

1. Clinton - 42%
2. Trump - 37%
3. Johnson - 13%
4. Stein - 5%

One of the big things to look at is Johnson going up to 13%. In order to get to the national debates, Johnson has to get to 15%.

I think Trump will get a boost from the convention this week, but I think Clinton will get a bigger boost from her convention. I think those conventions will take some steam away from Johnson and Stein.

I think Johnson is getting the fruit of the labor that was the FBI director scathing takedown of Hillary last week. I think this is as good as it gets for him. She lost quite abit of support from that.

The Bernie endorsement and the convention should give each respective candidates their due boost. That's where the other parties say their goodbyes imo. Unless of course Either of the main two candidates keep fucking up which always is a likely posibility.

TheGreatYacht
07-17-2016, 08:13 PM
Clinton: Ascending ^

pgardn
07-17-2016, 08:49 PM
Tebow headlining

Will probably throw his support 15 yards short of the podium and the GOP will be forced to punt :lmao

I gotta admit I find this funny
If the great floating bunyon has created this on his own... :clap

ducks
07-18-2016, 01:12 PM
Trump Gets Sudden Endorsement, Vow of Support From 14 Hispanic Leaders

TheGreatYacht
07-18-2016, 01:21 PM
Not so shocking: GOP Never Trumpers speak against the orange Cheeto. There's more media than republicans at the RNC. Donnie is FORCED to have his wife speak on behalf of him since half the party is against him: The Bush family, Romney, Kasich, Rubio, to name a few.

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CosmicCowboy
07-18-2016, 01:37 PM
Not so shocking: GOP Never Trumpers speak against the orange Cheeto. There's more media than republicans at the RNC. Donnie is FORCED to have his wife speak on behalf of him since half the party is against him: The Bush family, Romney, Kasich, Rubio, to name a few.

755021918718132225

Like Hillary is FORCED to have Chelsea speak because she can't find anyone else?

TheGreatYacht
07-18-2016, 01:57 PM
Like Hillary is FORCED to have Chelsea speak because she can't find anyone else?
Trump FORCED to book D-List celebrities :lol

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hitmanyr2k
07-18-2016, 02:13 PM
Trump FORCED to book D-List celebrities :lol

754859553636880384

I haven't heard Scott Baio mentioned in eons. I was a kid when Charles in Charge was on TV. The best thing that came out of that show was Josie Davis. She was supposed to be the ugly sister on that show but goddamn she filled out into a bonafide milf. Nicole Eggert went the other direction :lol

TheGreatYacht
07-18-2016, 02:28 PM
I haven't heard Scott Baio mentioned in eons. I was a kid when Charles in Charge was on TV. The best thing that came out of that show was Josie Davis. She was supposed to be the ugly sister on that show but goddamn she filled out into a bonafide milf. Nicole Eggert went the other direction :lol
Ideal speaker for a broke campaign tbh :lol

Just googled Josie Davis tho :wow

hitmanyr2k
07-18-2016, 02:32 PM
Even better, she's a milf with a brain. Someone get her to the DNC in response to Baio :lol

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CosmicCowboy
07-18-2016, 02:32 PM
Ideal speaker for a broke campaign tbh :lol

Just googled Josie Davis tho :wow

Not sure why you are making such a big deal out of the Republican speakers. Some of the Democrat speakers suck equally or worse.

FuzzyLumpkins
07-18-2016, 02:38 PM
Not sure why you are making such a big deal out of the Republican speakers. Some of the Democrat speakers suck equally or worse.

Those are the best celebs the GOP has gotten. Compare to Lady Gaga, George Takei, and Lenny Kravitz who are going to speak at the dems'.

And most people are not very political in our celebrity culture. A whole lot of mouthbreathers will check in to see Gaga. Not so much Chachi in Charge.

rmt
07-18-2016, 07:44 PM
Not so shocking: GOP Never Trumpers speak against the orange Cheeto. There's more media than republicans at the RNC. Donnie is FORCED to have his wife speak on behalf of him since half the party is against him: The Bush family, Romney, Kasich, Rubio, to name a few.


Rubio is fine with Trump - will be speaking at the convention. Jeb and Kasich pledged to support the nominee and don't even show up - whatever happened to honoring your word? Kasich is the worse of the two - he's governor of Ohio and should be out there pumping up his Cleveland/Ohio. Whatever you say against Trump - he has done a great job raising his kids and why not emphasize his greatest asset - his family.

ducks
07-18-2016, 07:46 PM
the problem with most people elected to office on both parties is they speak with forgue tongue!

TheGreatYacht
07-18-2016, 07:56 PM
Rubio is fine with Trump - will be speaking at the convention. Jeb and Kasich pledged to support the nominee and don't even show up - whatever happened to honoring your word? Kasich is the worse of the two - he's governor of Ohio and should be out there pumping up his Cleveland/Ohio. Whatever you say against Trump - he has done a great job raising his kids and why not emphasize his greatest asset - his family.
Rubio won't be in Cleveland, Tbh.

Just finished watching a confused mother who has no idea of wtf she was talking about - accuse Hillary of murder. I guess if his speakers will be a bunch of liars and d-list celebrities, then going with his family is the right choice :lol nvm that's a wrong choice as well

rmt
07-18-2016, 08:05 PM
Rubio won't be in Cleveland, Tbh.

Just finished watching a confused mother who has no idea of wtf she was talking about - accuse Hillary of murder. I guess if his speakers will be a bunch of liars and d-list celebrities, then going with his family is the right choice :lol nvm that's a wrong choice as well

Probably pressure from Rubio's donors why he's backed out. Speaking as a mom, there ain't no way I mistake anything anyone says when my children are involved.

baseline bum
07-18-2016, 10:43 PM
I haven't heard Scott Baio mentioned in eons. I was a kid when Charles in Charge was on TV. The best thing that came out of that show was Josie Davis. She was supposed to be the ugly sister on that show but goddamn she filled out into a bonafide milf. Nicole Eggert went the other direction :lol

But damn Eggert was glorious before she became legal.

angrydude
07-18-2016, 11:16 PM
Rubio won't be in Cleveland, Tbh.

Just finished watching a confused mother who has no idea of wtf she was talking about - accuse Hillary of murder. I guess if his speakers will be a bunch of liars and d-list celebrities, then going with his family is the right choice :lol nvm that's a wrong choice as well

She knows her son is dead and Hillary lied to her face about it.

ElNono
07-18-2016, 11:26 PM
She knows her son is dead and Hillary lied to her face about it.

I thought she said she's still waiting to hear from Shillary

FuzzyLumpkins
07-18-2016, 11:43 PM
Rubio is fine with Trump - will be speaking at the convention. Jeb and Kasich pledged to support the nominee and don't even show up - whatever happened to honoring your word? Kasich is the worse of the two - he's governor of Ohio and should be out there pumping up his Cleveland/Ohio. Whatever you say against Trump - he has done a great job raising his kids and why not emphasize his greatest asset - his family.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2016/may/10/looking-jeb-bushs-pledge-support-donald-trump/

Trump talks out of his ass a lot. You should be more discerning. Nevermind Trump himself repudiated the pledge.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-nominee-pledge/

FuzzyLumpkins
07-20-2016, 04:53 PM
What would it take for Donald Trump to lose his supporters’ votes? When the Jimmy Kimmel show ran a man on the street segment asking that very question, one Trump enthusiast replied, “Nothing. There’s nothing he could do to lose my vote.”

To his ardent supporters, Donald Trump is an exemplar of power and status. Donald Trump is going to make America great again. He’ll put America First. He refuses to be silenced by the thought police. He’s so rich, he can’t be bought. He speaks his mind. He’ll get the job done.

To those who oppose him, he’s a racist, misogynistic, narcissistic buffoon. Repeated lies, racist statements and attacks on women have led many people, including some prominent conservative donors, to conclude that Trump is unfit to be president, yet these missteps don’t seem to bother his supporters much. Trump told a campaign rally in January that, “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK? It’s incredible.”

Trump’s claim might seem like an exaggeration, played up for drama, but research suggests that once people board the Trump train, there’s little that can prod them to jump off. (You could probably say something similar about Hillary Clinton supporters.) As much as we like to think that we use reason to evaluate evidence and come to conclusions, “It really goes back assward, a lot of times,” said Peter Ditto, a psychologist at University of California, Irvine. “People already have a firm opinion, and that shapes the way they process information.” We hold beliefs about how the world works and tend to force new information to fit within these pre-existing narratives. Psychologists call this motivated reasoning, and it means that once people have thrown their support behind Trump or Clinton, they will tend to downplay or ignore things that paint their candidate in a bad light.

In a study conducted in October,1 researchers presented 507 self-identified Republicans and 986 self-identified Democrats with actual things that Trump had said — some of which were true and some of which were false. The researchers might explain, for instance, that “Trump said that the MMR vaccine causes autism,” or they would simply present the assertion that “The MMR vaccine causes autism.” Then they asked people, “How much do you believe this statement?”

“If we told participants that it was Trump that said the misinformation, Republicans were much more likely to believe it and Democrats were much less likely to believe it,” said Briony Swire2, a Ph.D. candidate in cognitive psychology at the University of Western Australia, who conducted the study with colleagues at MIT and the University of Bristol. On a 10-point scale, Republicans rated the misinformation 4.8 and Democrats 3.2 when it was attributed to Trump. A similar partisan split appeared with the true statements — Republicans were more likely than Democrats to believe factual statements when told that Trump had said them. “People relate to the world with their partisan lens,” Swire said.

Fact-checking Trump didn’t change his supporters minds about him in Swire’s study. After presenting participants with the various statements, the researchers debriefed the volunteers on which of these statements were true and which were false. Even when Trump supporters accepted that some of Trump’s statements were untrue (recognizing that a vaccine doesn’t cause autism, for instance) they did not change their voting preference. In other words, Trump supporters were willing to acknowledge that some of Trump’s statements were lies, but this didn’t alter their enthusiasm for him. “I guess it means that politicians like Trump can spread misinformation without losing support,” Swire said.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/theres-probably-nothing-that-will-change-clinton-or-trump-supporters-minds/?ex_cid=538twitter

ducks
07-22-2016, 10:36 AM
Republican pollster Frank Luntz turned to Twitter late Thursday night to predict that the Republican National Convention would propel Donald Trump ahead of or near Hillary Clinton in the polls within a few days.

"Mark my words," Luntz tweeted, "This speech will put Trump even or ahead of Hillary in polls by Monday, when the Democratic convention begins."

Luntz's prediction came after Trump formally accepted the Republican nomination for president in his Thursday-night speech.

DMX7
07-22-2016, 10:55 AM
Republican pollster Frank Luntz turned to Twitter late Thursday night to predict that the Republican National Convention would propel Donald Trump ahead of or near Hillary Clinton in the polls within a few days.

"Mark my words," Luntz tweeted, "This speech will put Trump even or ahead of Hillary in polls by Monday, when the Democratic convention begins."

Luntz's prediction came after Trump formally accepted the Republican nomination for president in his Thursday-night speech.

And then Hillary will be up in the polls the very next week.

TheGreatYacht
08-02-2016, 02:30 AM
Last week I predicted Clinton was going to be up double digits in the polls, well according to the newest CNN poll, she's now up 9% on Cuckald and growing....

Choice for President (Pre-DNC):
Clinton - 45%
Trump 48%

Choice for President (Post-DNC):
Clinton - 52%
Trump - 43%

She is also winning HUGE among the Bernie supporters despite cuckservatives making such a big deal out of a few losers outside the convention and Trump pandering to the frustrated Berniebros out there....

Ticket choice among Bernie supporters (Pre-DNC):
Clinton/Kaine - 78%
Trump/Pence - 12%

Ticket choice among Bernie supporters (Post-DNC):
Clinton/Kaine - 91%
Trump/Pence - 6%

Clinton has also managed to tie Trump at 46% in the deep red state of Georgia :wow

While Trump has remained in the headlines for attacking Gold Star parents, Clinton has been as well after being endorsed by billionaires Mike Bloomberg, Mark Cuban, and Warren Buffett. Buffett has called Trump out and has proposed releasing his tax returns if the Cuckald does it. He also said that he will personally provide transportation so voters can go out and vote for Hillary.

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TheGreatYacht
08-02-2016, 02:50 AM
Trump campaign headlines over the last week:

• Trump has attacked Gold Star parents
• Trump said Putin won't invade Ukraine even though he already has
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• Military mother booed at Pence rally
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• It's revealed that Trump dodged the draft 5 times
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• He has also hinted at dodging the debates completely
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• Called out by Warren Buffett over his tax returns
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• Can't stop tweeting about CNN
• Eats KFC with a fork, spoon, and knife
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• Clinton is a 3 to 1 favorite over Trump
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• Trump is down 9% to Clinton on majority of polls

Trump stock: Descending

baseline bum
08-02-2016, 11:44 AM
Everyone circle jerking over Trump's convention bounce and now Hillary got a bigger one, giving her a huge lead in current polls. :lol

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
http://i.imgur.com/7lbzkkx.png

Probably just a convention bounce though, we'll have to see what this race looks like in a month to get a reasonable idea.

boutons_deux
08-02-2016, 12:26 PM
It would be great if Obama denied security briefings to Trash due to his mental instability and campaign-suicidal behaviours.

TheSanityAnnex
08-02-2016, 12:52 PM
It would be great if Obama denied security briefings to Trash due to his mental instability and campaign-suicidal behaviours.

Sure, right after he denies Clinton for her proven inability to properly handle classified information.

boutons_deux
08-02-2016, 01:41 PM
Sure, right after he denies Clinton for her proven inability to properly handle classified information.

:lol Your position is feckless, useless, dead-end.

Can you confirm how many "national security/dangerous" (at the time of sending) emails that Hillary herself sent out of the 33,000 total?

Benghazi! :lol

TheGreatYacht
08-02-2016, 05:59 PM
:lol Your position is feckless, useless, dead-end.

Can you confirm how many "national security/dangerous" (at the time of sending) emails that Hillary herself sent out of the 33,000 total?

Benghazi! :lol
Elite poster doing elite poster thangz

TheSanityAnnex
08-02-2016, 07:03 PM
:lol Your position is feckless, useless, dead-end.

Can you confirm how many "national security/dangerous" (at the time of sending) emails that Hillary herself sent out of the 33,000 total?

Benghazi! :lol

"Our investigation found ... 110 [emails with then-classified information] that she either received or sent,"-James Comey

"I don't think that our investigation established she was actually particularly sophisticated with respect to classified information and the levels and treatment"-James Comey

"One of the things I learned in this case is that the secretary may not have been as sophisticated as people assumed."-James Comey

"I think she was extremely careless. I think she was negligent."-James Comey

Reck
08-02-2016, 07:09 PM
"Our investigation found ... 110 [emails with then-classified information] that she either received or sent,"-James Comey

"I don't think that our investigation established she was actually particularly sophisticated with respect to classified information and the levels and treatment"-James Comey

"One of the things I learned in this case is that the secretary may not have been as sophisticated as people assumed."-James Comey

"I think she was extremely careless. I think she was negligent."-James Comey





:cry

TSA cant cope. :lmao

boutons_deux
08-02-2016, 07:09 PM
"Our investigation found ... 110 [emails with then-classified information] that she either received or sent,"-James Comey

"I don't think that our investigation established she was actually particularly sophisticated with respect to classified information and the levels and treatment"-James Comey

"One of the things I learned in this case is that the secretary may not have been as sophisticated as people assumed."-James Comey

"I think she was extremely careless. I think she was negligent."-James Comey





Life-long Republican Comey found nothing to indict her for, then broke protocol, had a huge press conference, and slimed her, instead of keeping silent when there is no indictment.

how many did hillary send? somebody sending her classified info isn't her fault.

TheSanityAnnex
08-02-2016, 07:12 PM
:cry

TSA cant cope. :lmao

You really need to dial back the emoticons

TheSanityAnnex
08-02-2016, 07:17 PM
Life-long Republican Comey found nothing to indict her for, then broke protocol, had a huge press conference, and slimed her, instead of keeping silent when there is no indictment.

how many did hillary send? somebody sending her classified info isn't her fault.
We are discussing whether or not the candidates are fit to receive security briefings, not an indictment. Hillary has proven she can not properly handle classified information, that isn't even up for debate as Comey repeatedly points out her incompetence in such matters.

And yes, setting up an unsecured private server and receiving classified info is her fault. All clearly laid out in the NDA she signed.

Reck
08-02-2016, 07:40 PM
We are discussing whether or not the candidates are fit to receive security briefings, not an indictment. Hillary has proven she can not properly handle classified information, that isn't even up for debate as Comey repeatedly points out her incompetence in such matters.

And yes, setting up an unsecured private server and receiving classified info is her fault. All clearly laid out in the NDA she signed.

:cry I'm the expert, LISTEN TO ME EVERYONE. :cry

boutons_deux
08-02-2016, 09:02 PM
Hillary has proven she can not properly handle classified information

:lol

And your lover boy Trash can't handle politics, or even his own mouth. his loose lips would sink a lotta ships

TheGreatYacht
08-03-2016, 07:54 PM
Whatever I say, happens. Clinton up by double digits :wow

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Reck
08-03-2016, 08:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/entertainment/leonardo-dicaprio-clinton-fundraiser/

My nigga Leo joins us.

TheGreatYacht
08-03-2016, 08:14 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/entertainment/leonardo-dicaprio-clinton-fundraiser/

My nigga Leo joins us.
GOAT actor doing GOAT things, tbh :tu