Report: Spurs to make Davis Bertans minimum contract offer

[Uriel]

This was widely expected by people who followed his career closely, but it's still good news nonetheless. We finally have our new Red Rocket. :toast


The San Antonio Spurs are always having their eyes open in the European market and in this case their interest is not a secret. Davis Bertans (http://www.eurohoops.net/showplayer?pcode=003458&seasoncode=E2015) of Laboral Kutxa may end up in Texas after all.

The Latvian forward who was selected with the 42nd pick in the 2011 NBA Draft by the Indiana Pacers and had his rights traded to San Antonio, can make the jump to the NBA. According to Eurohoops sources, the Spurs are ready to make him an offer for a minimum contract.

Bertans has one more year left in his contract with Laboral Kutxa, but he can be bought out. Despite an ACL injury on his right knee, the 24 years old player for years is under the Spurs’ microscope and now the timing can be right for him to travel to the NBA. After all, he had his latest knee surgery and rehabilitation on April in San Antonio, before returning to Vitoria for the end of the season.

Bertans is playing alongside an other Spurs draftee in Laboral Kutxa, Hungarian forward Adam Hanga who had in total a much better season. However, the shooting ability of Bertans from the three points line can make him a rotation player in the NBA.
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/260762/the-spurs-plans-include-davis-bertans

[eDizzle20]

Great news! The Spurs desperately need his shooting.

[DrSteffo]

About time, we need a better backup sf than Kyle Anderson.

[td4mvp2k]

if true still has to make team thru SL & TC

[cutewizard]

Wow!!! Welcome to the Spurs!

[CGD]

Great! About time. Minimum deal sounds about right.

[benefactor]

Savior tbh

[SPURt]

http://cdn1.bloguin.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2013/07/dbertansprojectspurs.jpg


Bertans is about to shock the NBA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i48J1JShdQQ

[cutewizard]

THIS GUY CAN SHOOT BOYS, HAHAHAHAHAHA!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[TheDoctor]

:pop: - I can't wait to put you in the dog house and give your minutes to Kyle Anderson.

[cutewizard]

what the fuck, this guy is bonner on steroids!!!!

shit! wwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooo=h!!!!!



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omg, he is missing a finger! hows that guys? can he play in the NBA?

[UZER]

:pop: He'll be shooting only layups and corner 3s in no time.

:pop: These playoffs aren't for him.

[Chinook]

Am I the only ones who's not happy about this news? Min contracts are only for a year or two. Wanted longer.

[cutewizard]

this is the backup to Durant? why not? hahahahahaha

[cutewizard]

Durant-Kawhi-Green-Bertans >>>>>>>>>>> arguably the best shooting wing lineup in basketball?????!!!!

[UZER]

Great an old injury prone euro jump shooting big man ...

Of course. Pop can keep him under his thumb because he 'gave him his opportunity'.

[Seventyniner]

The trade that keeps on giving.

[look_at_g_shred]

Already! Finally get to see what all the hype is about.

[elemento]

About damn time tbh

[loveforthegame]

Good news. :tu

[silverblackfan]

Good news. The guy can shoot. I hope they can get him in some Summer League play.

[cutewizard]

our answer to Harrison Barnes? hehehehe

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Calm down wizard...

[MVPCues]

I'm all for giving him a shot, but I don't understand outright excitement for a 23 year old who has had two serious knew injuries to the same knee. No way would I like more than a 1 year deal.

[RD2191]

Another trash player who pop won't even allow to demonstrate how trash he is.

[Spurs9]

:pop: he can back up Bonner

[peacemaker885]

Very fluent English with an American accent. Did he study here?

[Hoops Czar]

Training camp deal. No biggie.

[SAGirl]

Am I the only ones who's not happy about this news? Min contracts are only for a year or two. Wanted longer.
Why do you think that is? I have no experienced knowledge of overseas signings. DeColo was the last one and I don't think he was the minimum at 1.5 mill, was he? Plus, he had 2 yrs guaranteed right? I don't remember.

Personally, my speculation is the concerns with his right knee. He blew his ACL twice in the same knee in consecutive years in a non contact fashion. I saw videos of him wearing a brace in games this season very much like Timmy's in his right knee. He's still 23 so it's not a good sign and maybe they don't want to commit long term to Tiago part II either. They were already in the lux tax this season so they must avoid that and even a slight salary overpay for an injured player for example it's not a place they want to go to.

The second reason, and it's also speculation stems from my observation of Jarell Eddie, a notorious super quick trigger shooter that we liked from their Austin team who was never picked up bc of very questionable (I.e. bad) defense. He was a player that really only contributed with shooting and Bertans is similar. He's 6'10 but doesn't rebound, and doesn't contribute much in other categories. He could be the 6'10" Jarell Eddie, which I don't mind at all, but obviously they do mind. It's like a trial IMO. If he doesn't box our for rebounds for example bc he's fragile, stick thin and at the risk of blowing a knee out, I don't see him beating even Bonner. He's a risk, there are concerns there and that's probably the reason for the super short trial contract.

But again, I don't know much about their overseas sign history.

Hopefully he's better than the Red Rocket. I mean it's no good for him if he can't even beat Rocket to the spot.

[jyra]

I understand the concerns about his knee but he has looked good since coming back from the surgery. If you just looked at his play, you couldn't really tell any difference in his athleticism before and after the injury.

[TheGoldStandard]

:pop: Cut after the trade deadline for a TOSB Vet.

[TheGoldStandard]

Honestly though, I truly hope he gets a real run and not a stand in the corner and wait for the ball maybe if someone wants to pass you the ball. Also hope pop doesn't decide to run this guy at the 5.

[Beaverfuzz]

Goodbye Bonner, we hardly knew ye.

[TheGoldStandard]

Goodbye Bonner, we hardly knew ye.
Bonner is coming back too.. to teach him the ways.. "Okay this is how you warm the bench.." "we're up 25 get ready to get your game face on"

[loveforthegame]

The injury risk I'm sure is a concern but I assume it's mostly to do with having as much flexibility this summer as possible.

[SAGirl]

I understand the concerns about his knee but he has looked good since coming back from the surgery. If you just looked at his play, you couldn't really tell any difference in his athleticism before and after the injury.
It's not athleticism I am concerned about, but durability. There's no telling how his body will hold up through 82 games and the NBA physicality.

Then obviously whether he can only contribute with shooting hence the Jarell Eddie comment.

[TheGoldStandard]

There's no telling how his body will hold up through 82 games and the NBA physicality.

He won't even touch the court in a majority of them. He'll be in a suit or in Austin. Unless they need him for spot minutes when Kawhi is taking a night off.

[spurs10]

Bertrans will be a welcome addition. He's a strong shooter and has worked hard to get to the NBA!!

[SAGirl]

Honestly though, I truly hope he gets a real run and not a stand in the corner and wait for the ball maybe if someone wants to pass you the ball. Also hope pop doesn't decide to run this guy at the 5.
Not at the 5, but I bet he will get time as the 4, hence my boxing out and rebounding comment. He won't exclusively be a 3 no matter how much of a stick he is, see Daye and Anderson.

I am sure he will get passed to with the bench crew actually, but as you said, probably has to pay his dues like all rookies. Others mentioned it's a training camp deal. Maybe they have him compete like Simmons did, but they expect him o make it. Cady is likely a TC invite too.

I don't see LJC pushing the issue although he could as a 1st round pick bc he's probably not ready.

It will 've an interesting SL at least.

[coachmac87]

Am I the only ones who's not happy about this news? Min contracts are only for a year or two. Wanted longer.

Only time you've been happy with the Spurs FO is when they gave Danny Green his contract lol I'm jk bro.

[TheGoldStandard]

Not at the 5, but I bet he will get time as the 4, hence my boxing out and rebounding comment. He won't exclusively be a 3 no matter how much of a stick he is, see Daye and Anderson.

I am sure he will get passed to with the bench crew actually, but as you said, probably has to pay his dues like all rookies. Others mentioned it's a training camp deal. Maybe they have him compete like Simmons did, but they expect him o make it. Cady is likely a TC invite too.

I don't see LJC pushing the issue although he could as a 1st round pick bc he's probably not ready.

It will 've an interesting SL at least.

:pop: Not at the 5? That sounds like a challenge.

It's all up to that guy if he decides to play Bertans to his strengths or tries to fit a square peg into a round hole. I think Bertans can play the 3 and the 4 for sure especially given his skill set. I don't need him rebounding his first year, I need him hitting shots consistently either as a catch a shoot guy or drawing defenders and putting the ball on the floor for a 1 or 2 dribble pull up. Make teams respect the perimeter play again.

Pop has issues with letting rookies be themselves and tries to shape them into a particular kind of player which usually screws them up.

[Sean Cagney]

About damn time tbh

^^^^

[SAGirl]

:pop: Not at the 5? That sounds like a challenge.

It's all up to that guy if he decides to play Bertans to his strengths or tries to fit a square peg into a round hole. I think Bertans can play the 3 and the 4 for sure especially given his skill set. I don't need him rebounding his first year, I need him hitting shots consistently either as a catch a shoot guy or drawing defenders and putting the ball on the floor for a 1 or 2 dribble pull up. Make teams respect the perimeter play again.

Pop has issues with letting rookies be themselves and tries to shape them into a particular kind of player which usually screws them up.
Yup has to make them system players. To that end some do fit in the system and others don't. I suspect though that just shooting is not the focus for this guy, if he doesn't do the other stuff he will be in the doghouse often, guaranteed.

[SAGirl]

if he were going to be good in the NBA he's be awesome in Europe

a la splitter, boban
Some ppl think just shooting is all there is to it. Spurs don't, hence Jarell Eddie, who is just as good of a shooter as Bertans and we didn't pick him up. Hopefully Bertans is better, but just shooting ain't going to cut it. He probably has to show he can do other stuff too.

[GSH]

This was widely expected by people who followed his career closely, but it's still good news nonetheless. We finally have our new Red Rocket. :toast



That last bit was totally unnecessary. :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Yup has to make them system players. To that end some do fit in the system and others don't. I suspect though that just shooting is not the focus for this guy, if he doesn't do the other stuff he will be in the doghouse often, guaranteed.

Which will be very sad.. Some guys are only meant to be shooters.

[tholdren]

And there is the big signing this year. Enjoy.

[TheGreatYacht]

:pop: - I can't wait to put you in the dog house and give your minutes to Kyle Anderson.

:pop: He'll be shooting only layups and corner 3s in no time.

:pop: These playoffs aren't for him.

:pop: he can back up Bonner
:pop: Cut after the trade deadline for a TOSB Vet.

Bonner is coming back too.. to teach him the ways.. "Okay this is how you warm the bench.." "we're up 25 get ready to get your game face on"
:lmao it's funny bcuz all of these are most likely true

[TheGreatYacht]

Anybody who can take Fathead's spot in the rotation is fine with me

Two thumbs up :tu :tu

[r0drig0lac]

itshappening.gif

[loveforthegame]

If the Spurs are bringing the bulk of the team back they're going to need cheap options to fill out the rest. Bertans at the minimum fits that game plan.

Sure he'll have to earn his time. Maybe some of that in Austin too. Better to find out now whether he's got it or not.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Good luck to him, he has the skills to carve a niche for himself.

If he's any good, the Spurs won't have his bird rights when it's time to re-sign though :lol

[SAGirl]

If the Spurs are bringing the bulk of the team back they're going to need cheap options to fill out the rest. Bertans at the minimum fits that game plan.

Sure he'll have to earn his time. Maybe some of that in Austin too. Better to find out now whether he's got it or not.
Agreed. Even without the bulk of the team back, if they make a run at premier FA, or even the not so premier, they will need youth in cheap contracts with some potential to get better and contribute still.

My comments were aimed at speculating about a min one year contract like Simmons', which some speculated really means it's a training camp deal and he will have to make the team. It's possible. I think the point you made earlier about the club retaining cap flexibility is probably at the top of reasons.

[gambit1990]

summer league starts next month :hungry:

[kobyz]

He sucks, wouldn't be able to get his shot of, too slow, weak and stiff...

[r0drig0lac]

he's like a really athletic and higher Kyle Korver

[BatManu20]

:lobt2:

[SpursforSix]

what the fuck, this guy is bonner on steroids!!!!

shit! wwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooo=h!!!!!



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omg, he is missing a finger! hows that guys? can he play in the NBA?

Probably not.

[spurtech09]

Well lets see what he can do.....

[ThaBigFundamental21]

He sucks, is unathletic, and injury prone. Sounds like a Spur....pass. Btw, as long as Parker starts, it's the 2nd RD at best for the Spurs. Lets be realistic.

[Beaverfuzz]

Bonner is coming back too.. to teach him the ways.. "Okay this is how you warm the bench.." "we're up 25 get ready to get your game face on"


Associate head coach only. Bonner is only wearing a suit next year.

[illusioNtEk]

Wow.. just fucking wow lol

[DAF86]

Big, athletic and can shoot the 3. What's not to like?

[DAF86]

He sucks, is unathletic, and injury prone. Sounds like a Spur....pass. Btw, as long as Parker starts, it's the 2nd RD at best for the Spurs. Lets be realistic.

Did you see the highlights posted in the first page. There's even a comment there praising his atjleticism.

[poeticism707]

Finally!!!!!!!!

A 6' 10 gangly, rangy shooter with balls!

Have a good feeling about this guy,

that he'll be able to contribute IMMEDIATELY

from 3, which the Spurs need DESPERATELY.

The two acls injuries are a big deal, but he obviously came back to his

normal self this year.

Buy this guy out and sign him asap.

Get Bonner off this team yesterday.

[spurs10]

Finally!!!!!!!!

A 6' 10 gangly, rangy shooter with balls!

Have a good feeling about this guy,

that he'll be able to contribute IMMEDIATELY

from 3, which the Spurs need DESPERATELY.

The two acls injuries are a big deal, but he obviously came back to his

normal self this year.

Buy this guy out and sign him asap.

Get Bonner off this team yesterday. Yes...he's got a lot to be excited about.

[siraulo23]

training camp invite? i doubt he makes the team

[DPG21920]

Am I the only ones who's not happy about this news? Min contracts are only for a year or two. Wanted longer.

Not really. There is still risk there. The flip side is if he busts obviously you aren't saddled with anything later. Plus, it's so cheap it helps maximize what you can do in FA while still having depth in years 1 & 2.

Plus, the reason I am not concerned, is that SA seems to have a great culture of guys taking less than market value. Sure, that doesn't guarantee anything, but SA seems expert about building relationships and loyalty and it's paid off more often than not.

[Mnky]

training camp invite? i doubt he makes the team

He would have been here sooner if he didn't tear both acls. He can flat out shoot.

[objective]

A two year deal would be dumb. They need to protect themselves with optional/unguaranteed years 3 & 4. That takes cap room, but it's worth it. It's not like Durant is coming.

And they shouldn't cheap out either. If it takes more than the minimum it's worth it, like a 4/6 or 4/8, etc

[Keepin' it real]

His first name is a last name. That's strike one ...

[SpursforSix]

His first name is a last name. That's strike one ...

"Davis" has historically been a first name. It's only been recently (relative to human history) that's it's become a last name.

[SAGirl]

A two year deal would be dumb. They need to protect themselves with optional/unguaranteed years 3 & 4. That takes cap room, but it's worth it. It's not like Durant is coming.

And they shouldn't cheap out either. If it takes more than the minimum it's worth it, like a 4/6 or 4/8, etc
I suspect in the new era the Spurs are entering, they are about to value cap flexibility the most bc they will need that third banana from FA either this season or the next and they don't have assets to trade for another player or into the draft lottery that they can spare. (I mean all these trade ideas are floating around for Mills, Diaw, Danny, Tony, Anderson, practically everyone we have guaranteed outside of LMA and Kawhi, but we don't have an indication that they will even move Boris, and some of these guys are too old to be too valuable and others too young and unproven, and I am sure Spurs would rather not trade Danny, the one asset that could really interest some teams, so I am assuming the guaranteed guys stay put).

Therefore, FA is the only way to get significantly better right now and thus they can't tie their cap with projects which at this point Bertans still is + he's risky bc of his injury history.

[objective]

Regardless of injury history, the money I'm talking about for Bertans is PEANUTS. Any time the Spurs go cheap over peanuts it ends up bad. They dumped Scola to lose 2.5 million and it cost them big for years.

[poeticism707]

I suspect in the new era the Spurs are entering, they are about to value cap flexibility the most bc they will need that third banana from FA either this season or the next and they don't have assets to trade for another player or into the draft lottery that they can spare. (I mean all these trade ideas are floating around for Mills, Diaw, Danny, Tony, Anderson, practically everyone we have guaranteed outside of LMA and Kawhi, but we don't have an indication that they will even move Boris, and some of these guys are too old to be too valuable and others too young and unproven, and I am sure Spurs would rather not trade Danny, the one asset that could really interest some teams, so I am assuming the guaranteed guys stay put).

Therefore, FA is the only way to get significantly better right now and thus they can't tie their cap with projects which at this point Bertans still is + he's risky bc of his injury history.

Bonner has been a project for 10 YEARS.

Signing Bertans to a two year minimum deal is nothing.

[SAGirl]

Regardless of injury history, the money I'm talking about for Bertans is PEANUTS. Any time the Spurs go cheap over peanuts it ends up bad. They dumped Scola to lose 2.5 million and it cost them big for years.

Didn't Scola have a $14 mill buy out? That was long b4 I followed this team.

For the current situation, it does look like right now they are valuing cap space above everything else for a FA signing. That should please some guys bc the only way we will get a true difference maker is through FA right now and well, you know the rumors.

For Bertans, he would be of most value to us as a stretch 4, which we don't know if he can play at the NBA. He's a good shooter but he might be the big man Jarell Eddie, or Daye part 2 in the NBA. He might be bad Tiago, injured 60-70% of the season. He might be Decolo, with some deficiencies in his game that prevent him from cracking the rotation, although having some intrigue to their game, but eventually getting further behind others and wanting to go back to Europe after all. We just don't know. He wasn't a European star like Boban, who still got a one year contract from Spurs this past season and the Spurs have already paid the tax this past season.

There is some risk involved with being frugal bc they want to make moves somewhere more significant and Bertans doesn't move the needle much for them this season. But they already paid the tax this past season and are probably aiming to get under it this summer.

It's a risk you are right, but they probably calculated that risk looking at the entirety if Bertans potential + injury history.

[SAGirl]

Bonner has been a project for 10 YEARS.

Signing Bertans to a two year minimum deal is nothing.
It seems to me he probably has been offered Simmons contract. 2 years but only the first one is guaranteed.

[xellos88330]

I am glad to see that the Spurs are finally engaging in talks with this guy. I think he can contribute rather quickly. The Spurs definitely need his range. The biggest key for me is that you can have another long decently athletic guy who can do multiple things on offense. He creates a lot of space and with his size he can shoot over the top of most players. My biggest concerns with this guy isn't the injuries, but rather if he can slash to the basket with the ball while remaining under control, and his defensive ability should he be switched on a smaller player. He is lean, but is his mobility as good as it is on offense?

[kobyz]

Was the worst player of laboral in the semi final series against barca, if you saw him play in that series you don't want any part of him...

[GSH]

A two year deal would be dumb. They need to protect themselves with optional/unguaranteed years 3 & 4. That takes cap room, but it's worth it. It's not like Durant is coming.

And they shouldn't cheap out either. If it takes more than the minimum it's worth it, like a 4/6 or 4/8, etc

You've likely never seen him play, but you're ready to sign him for four years to your fantasy team? But you can't decide whether he would sign a shit-money contract with unguaranteed years 3&4, or whether it would take $8M over 4 years to get the deal done? So you don't really know if he's good enough to demand a better deal, but you're ready to sign the shit out of him now, at the expense of salary cap. I haven't heard anything like that since Isiah Thomas got booted from the Knicks.


"Davis" has historically been a first name. It's only been recently (relative to human history) that's it's become a last name.

You're right. Most people don't know that Julius Caesar's first name was really Davis. And Davis was the most popular first name in ancient Mesopotamia... but for girls.



Didn't Scola have a $14 mill buy out? That was long b4 I followed this team.

There is some risk involved with being frugal bc they want to make moves somewhere more significant and Bertans doesn't move the needle much for them this season. But they already paid the tax this past season and are probably aiming to get under it this summer.

It's a risk you are right, but they probably calculated that risk looking at the entirety if Bertans potential + injury history.


Baskonia started out asking for $14M buyout for Scola, which was ridiculous. They finally negotiated it down to $3M.

The biggest risk in this deal is that Bertans will out-perform, and the Spurs will have to pay market for him after two years. There are worse problems to have - like being cap-limited, or becoming a "repeat offender" on the luxury tax.



Was the worst player of laboral in the semi final series against barca, if you saw him play in that series you don't want any part of him...

Yeah, he's not exactly a lock to be a successful NBA-level player. He didn't get picked in the first round, which means he wouldn't have gotten the 3 year rookie guarantee back when he was drafted. Throwing a long contract at him now would be sort of ridiculous. If he develops into a good player, the Spurs will pay him what he's worth at that time.

[TD 21]

Only time you've been happy with the Spurs FO is when they gave Danny Green his contract lol I'm jk bro.

:lol



A two year deal would be dumb. They need to protect themselves with optional/unguaranteed years 3 & 4. That takes cap room, but it's worth it. It's not like Durant is coming.

And they shouldn't cheap out either. If it takes more than the minimum it's worth it, like a 4/6 or 4/8, etc

Maybe for the Spurs. For him, while he's obviously not a high end prospect, he's a legitimate enough one, that they'll be lucky to get him signed for the minimum. Should they succeed, he'll obviously want to get to his second contract quickly.

Keep in mind, he'll already be 24 later this year, he's had two torn ACL's and he had sub par athleticism to begin with. Even if he proves himself to be a legitimate NBA player, the window for someone like him to make relatively significant money isn't particularly wide.

[SAGirl]

Baskonia started out asking for $14M buyout for Scola, which was ridiculous. They finally negotiated it down to $3M.

The biggest risk in this deal is that Bertans will out-perform, and the Spurs will have to pay market for him after two years. There are worse problems to have - like being cap-limited, or becoming a "repeat offender" on the luxury tax.

Yeah, he's not exactly a lock to be a successful NBA-level player. He didn't get picked in the first round, which means he wouldn't have gotten the 3 year rookie guarantee back when he was drafted. Throwing a long contract at him now would be sort of ridiculous. If he develops into a good player, the Spurs will pay him what he's worth at that time.
Thanks for the Scola explanation. That was long b4 my time following the team. I kind of agree with you in the bolded statement and its kind of what I have been saying and I do like Bertans. I think if he's healthy he will outperform bc his shooting is tremendous, but he is by no means a sure thing specially bc of the injury history.

[T Park]

I'm all for giving him a shot, but I don't understand outright excitement for a 23 year old who has had two serious knew injuries to the same knee. No way would I like more than a 1 year deal.

other than hes a dead eye shooter and most scouts and GMs are comparing him to Klay Thompson?

Yeah i can see why youd be super fucking down on the guy.

[T Park]

training camp invite? i doubt he makes the team

Hes making the team. The guy is a taller more athletic Marco Belinelli.

Jesus Christ people

[T Park]

I am glad to see that the Spurs are finally engaging in talks with this guy. I think he can contribute rather quickly. The Spurs definitely need his range. The biggest key for me is that you can have another long decently athletic guy who can do multiple things on offense. He creates a lot of space and with his size he can shoot over the top of most players. My biggest concerns with this guy isn't the injuries, but rather if he can slash to the basket with the ball while remaining under control, and his defensive ability should he be switched on a smaller player. He is lean, but is his mobility as good as it is on offense?

his profile says he can slash to the hole in one or two dribbles.

He shoots extremely well off screens, so he fits in perfectly already

[99 Problems]

Having Kiwi or Bron locking down on Klaymond Curry KD whoever gets you only so far. The game about the 3 and you gotta outshoot Klaymond Curry Iggy Barnes Dray those 3 ball shooters to win big.

[r0drig0lac]

Hes making the team. The guy is a taller more athletic Marco Belinelli.

Jesus Christ people


Korver is your comparison. unlike Marco, he can really play defense (or at least he strives)

[MVPCues]

other than hes a dead eye shooter and most scouts and GMs are comparing him to Klay Thompson?

Yeah i can see why youd be super fucking down on the guy.

LOL. All for giving him a shot, but not a long contract is super fucking down on the guy? If 2nd and 3rd years are partially guaranteed or team option, I'm fine with that also. It isn't like this thread is a surprise. I called he would be on the team next year as soon as the playoff exit happened and speculation started. Kind of obvious choice given the last year rights and with his recovery and solid play. If he can bring that shooting and his knee holds up I'd be as happy as anyone else...well..maybe not as happy as you. Bottom line is he suffered an ACL injury in 2013. Up to that point, it looks like he appeared in 24 rs games. After his recovery he played in 47 rs games and suffered the same injury (not as bad though) to the same knee. He has a whopping 30 games under his belt after that recovery. I'm supposed to get excited about that? Cautiously optimistic is the best I can come up with.

If you think my post was "super fucking down on the guy", your just super fucking high on the guy.

[ceperez]

Having Kiwi or Bron locking down on Klaymond Curry KD whoever gets you only so far. The game about the 3 and you gotta outshoot Klaymond Curry Iggy Barnes Dray those 3 ball shooters to win big.

Yep, GS is showing that its all about the 3 point shot. Spurs will unfortunately need to out shoot them and that is a tough to do.

Any theories about being bigger and pounding in the paint to win have been debunked by the OKC loss.

[objective]

You've likely never seen him play, but you're ready to sign him for four years to your fantasy team? But you can't decide whether he would sign a shit-money contract with unguaranteed years 3&4, or whether it would take $8M over 4 years to get the deal done? So you don't really know if he's good enough to demand a better deal, but you're ready to sign the shit out of him now, at the expense of salary cap. I haven't heard anything like that since Isiah Thomas got booted from the Knicks.

...

Yeah, he's not exactly a lock to be a successful NBA-level player. He didn't get picked in the first round, which means he wouldn't have gotten the 3 year rookie guarantee back when he was drafted. Throwing a long contract at him now would be sort of ridiculous. If he develops into a good player, the Spurs will pay him what he's worth at that time.

I've probably watched 20+ games of Bertans this season alone including every shot attempt, rebound, assist, turnover, and block in the euroleague and every finals game in the ACB and plenty of other ACB games. I'm the guy who promoted Boban while he was playing in Serbia, check the think tank. I've probably watched more combined games of all the Spurs stash players than than anyone on this forum save one or two, going back years.

Do posters not realize that 4 year deals are the way to go with second rounders? Hell, it's what the Spurs did with Blair! A 2+2. It's the smart thing to do to tie up a player.

And the numbers I put up are peanuts. We're talking 1.5-2% of the cap. That's nothing. The dollars are less important than the years.

[TheGoldStandard]

Yep, GS is showing that its all about the 3 point shot. Spurs will unfortunately need to out shoot them and that is a tough to do.

Any theories about being bigger and pounding in the paint to win have been debunked by the OKC loss.

It was OKC's athleticism an smart decision making that had them a game 6 choke away from advancing to the Finals. The biggest downfall for OKC was Westbrook reverting and Durant shrinking. Having two mobile bigs who can rebound kept them in games, pushed the warriors and slowed down their transition points. It also helped that those same bigs could actually shoot their own shot to keep defenses honest.

Bertans coming in helps the bench for sure if he can carry his 3 point shot to the NBA but the fundemental necessity for players who can rebound and keep possessions alive will be key for any deep run. The bench needs a lot of bolstering.

[cjw]

Am I the only ones who's not happy about this news? Min contracts are only for a year or two. Wanted longer.

Hopefully longer than Boban's one year deal, but doubt it looks like Simmons' mostly non-guaranteed deal. That said, it's not as meaningful as he'll remain under the Spurs control as a RFA after 1-2 years and there will be more than ample cap space.

[Chinook]

Hopefully longer than Boban's one year deal, but doubt it looks like Simmons' mostly non-guaranteed deal. That said, it's not as meaningful as he'll remain under the Spurs control as a RFA after 1-2 years and there will be more than ample cap space.

If the Spurs don't land a big fish this summer, they'll almost certainly be looking to for one next summer. Even if they land someone like Durant, they'll have the cap space to try to get someone like Ibaka as well. I'd rather the team not have to worry about Bertans for a while.

[TDomination]

Hopefully he's athletic enough to guard the 3 spot. Would love him at the 3 as to not rely on him for rebounding and such if those are his weaknesses

[TheGoldStandard]

Hopefully he's athletic enough to guard the 3 spot. Would love him at the 3 as to not rely on him for rebounding and such if those are his weaknesses

:pop: Meet our new stretch 5

[look_at_g_shred]

:pop: Meet our new stretch 5
You killin me with those pop statements :lmao

[objective]

Hopefully he's athletic enough to guard the 3 spot. Would love him at the 3 as to not rely on him for rebounding and such if those are his weaknesses

Ehhh ... he can probably keep the slower threes front of him. He could guard Kyle Anderson types I'm sure.

But he does hustle and play with some fight in him which could help him stay on the court.

[ceperez]

It was OKC's athleticism an smart decision making that had them a game 6 choke away from advancing to the Finals. The biggest downfall for OKC was Westbrook reverting and Durant shrinking. Having two mobile bigs who can rebound kept them in games, pushed the warriors and slowed down their transition points. It also helped that those same bigs could actually shoot their own shot to keep defenses honest.

Bertans coming in helps the bench for sure if he can carry his 3 point shot to the NBA but the fundemental necessity for players who can rebound and keep possessions alive will be key for any deep run. The bench needs a lot of bolstering.

Spurs have neither the offensive talents of Wesbrook-Durant or the bigs like Adams, Ibaka and Kanter.

Unless Spurs grab a few talents away from Dubs, they can't compete next year.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs have neither the offensive talents of Wesbrook-Durant or the bigs like Adams, Ibaka and Kanter.

Unless Spurs grab a few talents away from Dubs, they can't compete next year.


That's why they need to cut bait and focus on rebuilding with a better bench and young talent.

[Horse]

You guys are faggots both Gs and okc will give many chances to beat them too many turnovers. Golden state has a bad quarter and they shit their pants. Give Pop another year with LMA get some ball movement and we'll be right there again.

[SpursforSix]

You guys are faggots both Gs and okc will give many chances to beat them too many turnovers. Golden state has a bad quarter and they shit their pants. Give Pop another year with LMA get some ball movement and we'll be right there again.

ball movement? for what? they don't have any real three point threats that make the defense chase out to the arc. Leonard I guess but he's going to draw tight coverage anyway.

[wildbill2u]

http://cdn1.bloguin.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2013/07/dbertansprojectspurs.jpg


Bertans is about to shock the NBA

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

[TheGoldStandard]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

Nah, he's just part of a gang.

[Obstructed_View]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

Google "shocker".

[SpursforSix]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?

someone get me a saw and send Danny Green to my office

[GSH]

I've probably watched 20+ games of Bertans this season alone including every shot attempt, rebound, assist, turnover, and block in the euroleague and every finals game in the ACB and plenty of other ACB games. I'm the guy who promoted Boban while he was playing in Serbia, check the think tank. I've probably watched more combined games of all the Spurs stash players than than anyone on this forum save one or two, going back years.

Do posters not realize that 4 year deals are the way to go with second rounders? Hell, it's what the Spurs did with Blair! A 2+2. It's the smart thing to do to tie up a player.

And the numbers I put up are peanuts. We're talking 1.5-2% of the cap. That's nothing. The dollars are less important than the years.

If you say you watched him, I believe you. What I saw left me with doubts about how he'll do in the NBA. Pro scouts disagree on things, so why shouldn't we?

Blair? Blair only fell to the second round because of worries over his ACL's. There's a world of difference between him and a stash who you know needs more years in Europe to develop. Blair was a first-rounder, for all purposes, and the Spurs essentially gave him a rookie scale contract. Most second-rounders don't get four-year deals.

Blair put up a double-double in his first game, and was the first NBA rookie since Duncan to have a 20-20 game. He kicked ass the AllStar Rookie Challenge, to the point that Kyrie Irving offered to share the MVP award with him. If you think Bertans is going to be like that, then four years seems like a good idea. Personally, I'd rather just see how he develops, and pay him in two years, if he turns out to be that good in the NBA.

[DPG21920]

I don't think anyone would be pissed at a Blair type deal at all - I just don't think it's anything to get worked up over. Also, the report in the OP uses the term min, but can come from something like the MLE that can be longer than 2 years anyways. We just don't know yet.

[TD 21]

Do posters not realize that 4 year deals are the way to go with second rounders? Hell, it's what the Spurs did with Blair! A 2+2. It's the smart thing to do to tie up a player.

And the numbers I put up are peanuts. We're talking 1.5-2% of the cap. That's nothing. The dollars are less important than the years.

You're still looking at it strictly from the Spurs' point of view, as if there aren't two sides to this.

Blair was 7 years ago, back when 4 year deals for 2nd round picks were more common place. Then, it was about security at all costs. Now, if there's a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league, it's about getting to the second contract quicker and not being tied down to a bare minimum, below market value contract.

The McDaniels 1 year deal with the 76ers 2 years ago was the turning point.

[objective]

Except Blair wasn't guaranteed all 4 years. Neither was Parsons. There's lots of second rounders who were signed to 4 year partials, though that number could be declining as agents convince players to keep the years down and bet on themselves. That's what KJ McDaniels did when he signed the 1 year tender after refusing the 4 year partial deal.

But you can only do a deal longer than 2 seasons with cap space or the MLE. That's what me and others are concerned over. It doesn't matter if it's a 4 year deal at the minimum like Philly does for their guys like Hollis Thompson, Jerami Grant, et al or for more. The important thing is the years.

None of the players I mentioned had guarantees all 4 years. In Philly it's usually 2 years guaranteed, unguaranteed third year, and a fourth year team option. That would satisfy me as a spurs fan regardless if it's at 1 million a year or 1.5 or 2. If things go awry, no harm done and they can cut him after year 2. Or decline year four.

His injury history makes him more likely to do a long term deal if he can get more guaranteed, like the first two seasons, just like Blair. How much would Blair have cost the Spurs if he was a free agent after two years and 80+ starts? A whole lot to regret.

Guys who are older and healthy are the less likely to do a 4 year deal. Boban took a one year deal, and I have no doubt that was at his agent's insistence. Now he's going to make a lot of money. Same with Simmons. Whether a four year deal was on the table or not, Simmons should be thrilled that he'll be a free agent when he's about to turn 28 instead of 30.

[TD 21]

Except Blair wasn't guaranteed all 4 years. Neither was Parsons. There's lots of second rounders who were signed to 4 year partials, though that number could be declining as agents convince players to keep the years down and bet on themselves. That's what KJ McDaniels did when he signed the 1 year tender after refusing the 4 year partial deal.

But you can only do a deal longer than 2 seasons with cap space or the MLE. That's what me and others are concerned over. It doesn't matter if it's a 4 year deal at the minimum like Philly does for their guys like Hollis Thompson, Jerami Grant, et al or for more. The important thing is the years.

None of the players I mentioned had guarantees all 4 years. In Philly it's usually 2 years guaranteed, unguaranteed third year, and a fourth year team option. That would satisfy me as a spurs fan regardless if it's at 1 million a year or 1.5 or 2. If things go awry, no harm done and they can cut him after year 2. Or decline year four.

His injury history makes him more likely to do a long term deal if he can get more guaranteed, like the first two seasons, just like Blair. How much would Blair have cost the Spurs if he was a free agent after two years and 80+ starts? A whole lot to regret.

Guys who are older and healthy are the less likely to do a 4 year deal. Boban took a one year deal, and I have no doubt that was at his agent's insistence. Now he's going to make a lot of money. Same with Simmons. Whether a four year deal was on the table or not, Simmons should be thrilled that he'll be a free agent when he's about to turn 28 instead of 30.

Yeah, but it's the team that determine that and obviously, if a player provides good bang for the buck, the team will exercise their option(s).

I don't see any incentive for him to want to lock himself into a potential 4 year, team friendly contract.

Either way, it's not a big deal. Of course, a lot can change in 2 years, but at this writing, their financial situation at that point is good and even if he establishes himself as a rotation player by then, it's unlikely he's ever going to cost a significant amount, so it shouldn't come back to bite them.

[objective]

You're still looking at it strictly from the Spurs' point of view, as if there aren't two sides to this.

Blair was 7 years ago, back when 4 year deals for 2nd round picks were more common place. Then, it was about security at all costs. Now, if there's a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league, it's about getting to the second contract quicker and not being tied down to a bare minimum, below market value contract.

The McDaniels 1 year deal with the 76ers 2 years ago was the turning point.

There were 12 second rounders from the 2015 draft who signed contracts.

Tokoto wasn't being offered anything by Philly who was trying to stash him, but he's forced the issue by signing the one year tender and was cut before the season started.

1 player signed a two year deal, Brandon Dawson with the Clippers.

Of the remaining 10 players, 4 signed 4 year deals. So it's not that uncommon. But I'd be satisfied with a three year deal also. The more years the better.

And with Bertans and his injury history, security might be worth it for him.

[BillMc]

Spurs just making the team more "Latvian friendly" for when Porzingis is a FA. :king He should be sick of the Knicks chaos by then...

[TD 21]

There were 12 second rounders from the 2015 draft who signed contracts.

Tokoto wasn't being offered anything by Philly who was trying to stash him, but he's forced the issue by signing the one year tender and was cut before the season started.

1 player signed a two year deal, Brandon Dawson with the Clippers.

Of the remaining 10 players, 4 signed 4 year deals. So it's not that uncommon. But I'd be satisfied with a three year deal also. The more years the better.

And with Bertans and his injury history, security might be worth it for him.

It's not uncommon in general, but it now is for players who have a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league.

[objective]

Either way, it's not a big deal. Of course, a lot can change in 2 years, but at this writing, their financial situation at that point is good and even if he establishes himself as a rotation player by then, it's unlikely he's ever going to cost a significant amount, so it shouldn't come back to bite them.

Disagree, it is a big deal in that it could mean big money. Blair after year two had started 65 games. I bet he would have had a bigger offer as a restricted free agent that the Spurs might have made the mistake of matching. He barely played against Memphis but look at the Spurs that off season: Mcdyess was retiring, Splitter was in the doghouse with Blair, and Boris Diaw was under contract with Charlotte. Who knows what they might have been willing to match?

[TD 21]

Disagree, it is a big deal in that it could mean big money. Blair after year two had started 65 games. I bet he would have had a bigger offer as a restricted free agent that the Spurs might have made the mistake of matching. He barely played against Memphis but look at the Spurs that off season: Mcdyess was retiring, Splitter was in the doghouse with Blair, and Boris Diaw was under contract with Charlotte. Who knows what they might have been willing to match?

Again, there's two sides to this: Why would Bertans want to lock himself into a team friendly, 4 year contract?

You say security, but in his mind, he probably figures he'll either have established himself as a legit NBA player by then (and be paid as such) or, if not, return to Europe.

[objective]

Again, there's two sides to this: Why would Bertans want to lock himself into a team friendly, 4 year contract?

You say security, but in his mind, he probably figures he'll either have established himself as a legit NBA player by then (and be paid as such) or, if not, return to Europe.

Well, why does any player sign longer than a one year deal? A few guys are willing to do it, but the vast majority of players take years and security over potential dollars. The VAST majority. Just look at, well, nearly every one in the league. There's two sides in every contract negotiation, and most of the time, years are taken over immediate free agency. So many talking heads last summer had people believing that EVERYBODY was going to do a one year deal or one year opt outs with the explosion coming in the cap. Except for LeBron, it didn't happen. All that money that could have been had was walked away from.

With Bertans, one factor would be as I posted earlier in this discussion: more money. Wouldn't even be a lot necessarily, but 3 or 4 million guaranteed with the additional years that could get him a total of 5-8 and free agency at 27/28 would be a fair proposition for a guy who has blown his knee twice.

[TD 21]

Well, why does any player sign longer than a one year deal? A few guys are willing to do it, but the vast majority of players take years and security over potential dollars. The VAST majority. Just look at, well, nearly every one in the league. There's two sides in every contract negotiation, and most of the time, years are taken over immediate free agency. So many talking heads last summer had people believing that EVERYBODY was going to do a one year deal or one year opt outs with the explosion coming in the cap. Except for LeBron, it didn't happen. All that money that could have been had was walked away from.

With Bertans, one factor would be as I posted earlier in this discussion: more money. Wouldn't even be a lot necessarily, but 3 or 4 million guaranteed with the additional years that could get him a total of 5-8 and free agency at 27/28 would be a fair proposition for a guy who has blown his knee twice.

That's different because those players were going to get significant money either way, they'd have just gotten more had they had an opt out after one year.

Even in your proposal, he still wouldn't get significant money and would probably rather bet on himself.



I dare say money wasn't something Spurs wanted to give, even if they could get him locked up for 2 more years. There is still the thought process that Durant or Horford is coming to a meeting. And you want space for that meeting. That extra mil or 2 may be the difference between offering Durant a max or not.

That too. Whatever the case, I don't buy that they're being cheap or that this is an oversight.

[tbdog]

I dare say money wasn't something Spurs wanted to give, even if they could get him locked up for 2 more years. There is still the thought process that Durant or Horford is coming to a meeting. And you want space for that meeting. That extra mil or 2 may be the difference between offering Durant a max or not.

[SPURt]

Is he missing half a finger on his shooting hand?
Yep. When he was 13 he was using an electrical saw with his father and brother. He was wearing gloves and he was rushing to finish as it started raining. The glove was loose and that finger hit the saw and pulled that finger in. Now he is perpetually giving the "shocker".

They talk about it in this profile: http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/147332/profile-david-bertans-laboral-kutxa-vitoria

[SAGirl]

HI
I've probably watched 20+ games of Bertans this season alone including every shot attempt, rebound, assist, turnover, and block in the euroleague and every finals game in the ACB and plenty of other ACB games. I'm the guy who promoted Boban while he was playing in Serbia, check the think tank. I've probably watched more combined games of all the Spurs stash players than than anyone on this forum save one or two, going back years.

Do posters not realize that 4 year deals are the way to go with second rounders? Hell, it's what the Spurs did with Blair! A 2+2. It's the smart thing to do to tie up a player.

And the numbers I put up are peanuts. We're talking 1.5-2% of the cap. That's nothing. The dollars are less important than the years.
well I am no capologist. I am very weak on trades that make sense or deals that are reasonable. I think they are frugal bc they were planning moves in FA and had already paid the tax this season, but if their move is to resign D West for more for example, then I am with you. They should sign Bertans for 4 instead of paying DWorst. Seriously.

[SAGirl]

You're still looking at it strictly from the Spurs' point of view, as if there aren't two sides to this.

Blair was 7 years ago, back when 4 year deals for 2nd round picks were more common place. Then, it was about security at all costs. Now, if there's a decent or better chance of having staying power in the league, it's about getting to the second contract quicker and not being tied down to a bare minimum, below market value contract.

The McDaniels 1 year deal with the 76ers 2 years ago was the turning point.
You have a point if we think Bertans is betting on himself and he's the one wanting the short min deal, so that he can get paid the larger contract sooner. You are right that he will be a 24 yr old rookie with prior injury concerns. If he has a good healthy season he probably wants to not take his good health for granted and get paid sooner rather than later.

He may very well be the proponent for the short min deal. He's in no position to pressure for a longer higher deal without proving himself both health wise and as prospect, and once he does so he'll want to get paid quickly/as fast as possible.

We just don't know, it's definitely speculation any way we think about it.

[Chinook]

Spurs just making the team more "Latvian friendly" for when Porzingis is a FA. :king He should be sick of the Knicks chaos by then...

!

[Chinook]

One thing to point out is that even a four-year min deal won't have any impact on the Spurs' cap space. It would just fill one of the roster charges that are factored into any serious estimate of cap space. The issue is that I don't think he'd sign up for more than two seasons at that rate. While he doesn't have a ton of leverage, he has enough for that. Even d-leaguers usually manage to get about a million or two guaranteed on long-term deals.

[Kawhitstorm]

If the Spurs don't land a big fish this summer, they'll almost certainly be looking to for one next summer. Even if they land someone like Durant, they'll have the cap space to try to get someone like Ibaka as well. I'd rather the team not have to worry about Bertans for a while.

Ibaka is going to be the only rim protector in the market next summer, dude is going to get the max so there is no way PATFO can acquire him w/o moving Porker which isn't going to happen.

[tholdren]

dude sucks

[MaNu4Tres]

Ibaka is going to be the only rim protector in the market next summer, dude is going to get the max so there is no way PATFO can acquire him w/o moving Porker which isn't going to happen.

Cap is suppose to go up again to 108 million next summer.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Ibaka is going to be the only rim protector in the market next summer, dude is going to get the max so there is no way PATFO can acquire him w/o moving Porker which isn't going to happen.

While spending will be extreme, I don't think anyone would give a 40 year old Ibaka a 4/130 contract in 2017.

[Kawhitstorm]

While spending will be extreme, I don't think anyone would give a 40 year old Ibaka a 4/130 contract in 2017.

He hasn't been in the league for 10 years to get the "super" max but he's going to have teams worshipping at his alter as long as he doesn't fall off the cliff or get injured. He's probably going to ride the moment from the WCF & have himself a contract season.

FYI: Chris Bosh got 120 mill under the old CBA after proving that he was nothing more than a 3rd banana on a championship team.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

He hasn't been in the league for 10 years to get the "super" max but he's going to have teams worshipping at his alter as long as he doesn't fall off the cliff or get injured. He's probably going to ride the moment from the WCF & have himself a contract season.

FYI: Chris Bosh got 120 mill under the old CBA after proving that he was nothing more than a 3rd banana on a championship team.

4/130 isn't super max on a projected $108 mil cap and Chris Bosh is a significantly better player than Ibaka, bar the health issues.

[024]

From the limited video I've seen of Bertans and glancing over his recent stats, he doesn't look like an NBA player. A min offer is as low risk as you can get, other than an unguaranteed contract so can't criticize this move too much.

Spurs do need more 3 point shooters and Bertans can fill that role cheaply off the bench. But right now he kind reminds me of Austin Daye. Still, Bertans is young and has room to be developed. If he sticks with the catch and shoot role and works on his fundamentals, he can turn into an NBA player. Pop will probably quickly stamp out his habit of forcing bad shots.

[TheGoldStandard]

From the limited video I've seen of Bertans and glancing over his recent stats, he doesn't look like an NBA player. A min offer is as low risk as you can get, other than an unguaranteed contract so can't criticize this move too much.

Spurs do need more 3 point shooters and Bertans can fill that role cheaply off the bench. But right now he kind reminds me of Austin Daye. Still, Bertans is young and has room to be developed. If he sticks with the catch and shoot role and works on his fundamentals, he can turn into an NBA player. Pop will probably quickly stamp out his habit of forcing bad shots.

Bertans feels like a more athletic Bonner

:pop: Nobody puts Bertans in the corner

[SpursforSix]

Bertans feels like a more athletic Bonner


Fucking Nathan Lane is more athletic than Bonner.

[TheGoldStandard]

Fucking Nathan Lane is more athletic than Bonner.
:pop: I've heard he can shoot too, they don't call him the producer for nothing.

[T Park]

Bertans feels like a more athletic Bonner

:pop: Nobody puts Bertans in the corner

Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.

[SAGirl]

Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.

Regardless of what he was b4 he will have to increase his versatility in the system.

I think whether Bertans likes it or not he will be a combo forward, look at Anderson. It doesn't matter that we think he was too slim to handle it. His career depends on him guarding several positions and switches. That's just the trend in the league right now.

Thus, Bertans will be asked to play both spots I am sure of it. He can be better than Matt Bonner if he can handle switches, etc. Which Matt can't.

It's possible he's played more as a 3 to start, but that really limits him. Even the wings play both spots, and Kyle plays both forward spots (and the guard spots too).

[TD 21]

Bertans would give strong consideration to making the jump to the NBA for a two-season package deal worth $4 million total. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2646380-international-hoops-notebook-dragan-bender-is-not-kristaps-porzingis)

[TheGoldStandard]

Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.

I'm hoping he'll end up being a Kyle Korver kind of shooter. I think a lot of the Bonner comparisons have to do with height and him being white but also what the Spurs will initially do with him in the lineup. I don't see a lot of screens for Bertans early on but more pick and pop kind of shots ala Bonner..

[SAGirl]

I'm hoping he'll end up being a Kyle Korver kind of shooter. I think a lot of the Bonner comparisons have to do with height and him being white but also what the Spurs will initially do with him in the lineup. I don't see a lot of screens for Bertans early on but more pick and pop kind of shots ala Bonner..
It's just how they are played in the system for me and their skill set. Same way Simmons was compared to Ginobili and Kyle to Diaw. Obviously not copycats, but one has to think in the Spurs system....

Wasn't one of your jokes something like:
:pop: I have to break them down and make them fit my system.

[Chinook]

Bertans would give strong consideration to making the jump to the NBA for a two-season package deal worth $4 million total. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2646380-international-hoops-notebook-dragan-bender-is-not-kristaps-porzingis)

$4M/3 is the highest I would go. That's still about twice as much as he's getting paid now (a little over $700k a season). The only way he gets a two-year deal worth over the min is if he slots into the LLE.

I will say, though, that looking at his salary makes me thing he wouldn't (and really shouldn't) accept a min deal. I didn't know he was already making a good deal more than that, and that doesn't even account for a lot of salaries for European players being tax free. I can actually understand why a one-year min deal would be on the table, as Davis would want to get better money ASAP.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

2 year deals suck, hopefully they'll work out something else.

[Chinook]

2 year deals suck, hopefully they'll work out something else.

Yeah are much better than one-year deals. For guys you bring into the league, they aren't bad. For vets, especially those who still have upside, they are pretty silly.

[GSH]

Think more a tall Kyle Korver. This Matt Bonner comparisons I dont understand them. Is it because hes tall and white? Hes more athletic, a purer shooter, moves well defensively.

The kid has potential if he wants to reach it of being very very good.


Besides being a deadly 3P shooter, Korver is a damn bulldog on defense. He gets under peoples' skin, and into their heads. I think he borders on dirty play, but he's one of those guys you hate if he's on the other team, but not so much if he's on yours. I've watched him play, and I wouldn't make that comparison, personally. I hope I'm wrong and you're right. If Bertans is a tall Kyle Korver, a min contract is highway robbery.

Am I the only one who notices that nobody ever compares him to any black guys?

[r0drig0lac]

Besides being a deadly 3P shooter, Korver is a damn bulldog on defense. He gets under peoples' skin, and into their heads. I think he borders on dirty play, but he's one of those guys you hate if he's on the other team, but not so much if he's on yours. I've watched him play, and I wouldn't make that comparison, personally. I hope I'm wrong and you're right. If Bertans is a tall Kyle Korver, a min contract is highway robbery.

Am I the only one who notices that nobody ever compares him to any black guys?

his offensive game is pretty much Kyle Korver but much more athletic.
Why compare with a black guy?

[GSH]

his offensive game is pretty much Kyle Korver but much more athletic.
Why compare with a black guy?


LOL - I was just laughing about the fact that he's either Bonner or Korver. I'm sure it's just coincidence that they're white.

Korver's D is no small thing. That, plus the fact that he's hard-nosed, and a lot more competitive than Bonner ever was. Bonner was a great 3P shooter, but if I had to choose one to take a shot in a big game situation? I'd take Korver every time. In fact, as much as I dislike Korver, I've wished many times that he was on the Spurs roster.

[dabom]

LOL - I was just laughing about the fact that he's either Bonner or Korver. I'm sure it's just coincidence that they're white.

Korver's D is no small thing. That, plus the fact that he's hard-nosed, and a lot more competitive than Bonner ever was. Bonner was a great 3P shooter, but if I had to choose one to take a shot in a big game situation? I'd take Korver every time. In fact, as much as I dislike Korver, I've wished many times that he was on the Spurs roster.

I've never seen Bonner hit a big shot...

[SAGirl]

Well Spurs followed objective and Chinook
Two years is at least much better than the one year minimum deal.

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[tholdren]

Well Spurs followed objective (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4663) and Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)
Two years is at least much better than the one year minimum deal.

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bye boris

[objective]

I've never seen Bonner hit a big shot...

And Bonner passes up a lot of open shots in big games.

I don't think I've seen Bertans cower yet.

[objective]

Well Spurs followed objective and Chinook
Two years is at least much better than the one year minimum deal.

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I'd rather more years.

Seems like a larger buyout than I would expect. Usually they decline year over year, and have been done with coordination with the Spurs to help them out I thought.

Especially considering Bertans was supposedly really wanted to come over last summer, he couldn't have afforded it.

What can the team contribute nowadays, 500k?

[SAGirl]

^^ That is more a question for Chinook I think. I really don't know much about this kind of stuff. This is still in negotiation apparently, no specifics yet. The good news though is that they are exploring more than just that one year. The way rumors have come out, it does seem like Bertans' agent is trying to secure a much larger amount the more years Spurs want.

[Chinook]

I'd rather more years.

Seems like a larger buyout than I would expect. Usually they decline year over year, and have been done with coordination with the Spurs to help them out I thought.

Especially considering Bertans was supposedly really wanted to come over last summer, he couldn't have afforded it.

What can the team contribute nowadays, 500k?


^^ That is more a question for Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) I think. I really don't know much about this kind of stuff. This is still in negotiation apparently, no specifics yet. The good news though is that they are exploring more than just that one year. The way rumors have come out, it does seem like Bertans' agent is trying to secure a much larger amount the more years Spurs want.

The max is $650k, which was known when Bertans signed his deal. It was $500k a few years ago, but it's been rising like everything else. The buyout may be higher next season if Bertans doesn't come over.

Anyway, these tweets are lame. They're all just citing each other. I can't imagine the Spurs would commit that much to Bertans without a third season being part of the deal. If he gets a two-year deal, I expect it to be able to fit into the LLE, and the max for that is $4.37M/2, so I think that's where speculation is coming from. That means that they could bring Davis over while retaining their right to match any offer to Boban even if they stay over the cap. But if they do as expected and go under, reserving that much cap space for a ninth, tenth or eleventh man so early would be surprising, unless the Durant/Conley talk is just overstated

[SAGirl]

Thanks Chinook. Always much appreciated, as this contractual stuff is usually over my head.
:dizzy

[BackHome]

It's going to be great to finally see Bertans in the summer league also excited to see Darius Adams invited to I think he has a chance.

[r0drig0lac]

It's going to be great to finally see Bertans in the summer league also excited to see Darius Adams invited to I think he has a chance.

invite Hanga and we are the Saski Baskonia Spurs

[T Park]

Besides being a deadly 3P shooter, Korver is a damn bulldog on defense. He gets under peoples' skin, and into their heads. I think he borders on dirty play, but he's one of those guys you hate if he's on the other team, but not so much if he's on yours. I've watched him play, and I wouldn't make that comparison, personally. I hope I'm wrong and you're right. If Bertans is a tall Kyle Korver, a min contract is highway robbery.

Am I the only one who notices that nobody ever compares him to any black guys?


yeah I dont know if Bertans is a "bulldog" but from the video i've seen hes a good defender, with capability of being very good.
He switches very well, very competent, doesnt lose his man. Can stay in front of guards and forwards. Maybe add a little bulk?
Other than that I just think Bertans needs seasoning and time and he can be really good.
The people that say ceiling is "good role player" might be under selling him a bit.

[TheGoldStandard]

yeah I dont know if Bertans is a "bulldog" but from the video i've seen hes a good defender, with capability of being very good.
He switches very well, very competent, doesnt lose his man. Can stay in front of guards and forwards. Maybe add a little bulk?
Other than that I just think Bertans needs seasoning and time and he can be really good.
The people that say ceiling is "good role player" might be under selling him a bit.

Hopefully Pop has patience with him. I don't know if their will be a learning curve from Euro ball to NBA but he's gonna need some leeway to get comfortable with his role, the speed and the physical play.