50 dead at Orlando Gay Club shooting

[RsxPiimp]

Daaaammmnnn

[LaMarcus Bryant]

It was the trap event of the century

[RsxPiimp]

Rubio said it's not yet clear what the shooter's motivations were, but that if radical Islamic beliefs were behind the shooting, "common sense tells you he specifically targeted the gay community because of the views that exist in the radical Islamic community with regard to the gay community."

[DJR210]

New deadliest mass shooting in US history.. Virginia Tech at #2

[TimDunkem]

The LGBT haters here must be rejoicing.

[djohn2oo8]

Rubio said it's not yet clear what the shooter's motivations were, but that if radical Islamic beliefs were behind the shooting, "common sense tells you he specifically targeted the gay community because of the views that exist in the radical Islamic community with regard to the gay community."

Gays are hated by many different groups.

[RsxPiimp]

Gays are hated by many different groups.

Shooter plead allegiance to Isis after he was shot

[djohn2oo8]

Ex-wife of suspected Orlando shooter: ‘He beat me’
Quote:
The ex-wife of the 29-year-old man suspected of killing 50 people in a Orlando nightclub early Sunday said that he was violent and mentally unstable and beat her repeatedly while they were married.

The ex-wife said she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him.

At first, the marriage was normal, she said, but then he became abusive.

“He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”

Mateen’s ex-wife said she was having a difficult time when she first met him and decided to move to Florida to be with him. The two married in March 2009 and moved into a 2-bedroom condominium in Fort Pierce, Fla., that Mateen’s family owned.
Quote:
“He seemed like a normal human being,” she said, adding that he wasn’t very religious and worked out at the gym often. She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam. She said he owned a small-caliber handgun and worked as a guard at a nearby facility for juvenile delinquents.

“He was a very private person,” she said.

The ex-wife said her parents intervened when they learned Mateen had assaulted her. Her father confirmed the account and said that the marriage lasted only a few months.

[djohn2oo8]

Shooter plead allegiance to Isis after he was shot

this had everything to do with being a homophobe.

[RsxPiimp]

this had everything to do with being a homophobe.

Well that obvious :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Well that obvious :lol

Guy was probably a closet homo. Who gets that upset over seeing dudes kiss, to the point of wanting to kill people?

[z0sa]

My heart goes out to the dead and wounded. Imagine drinking heavily, sweating in a club packed with 300 people, being 5 minutes from walking out to your ride at last call and this shit goes down and now yourr suddenly running or even crawling for your life surrounded by wounded and dead. Just horrific.

[clambake]

gun sales are gonna EXPLODE!

[clambake]

trump is gonna be all over this.

[lefty]

A former the Voice contestant was shot dead a few days ago....in Florida


Worst state ever

[Robz4000]

It's time to ban Florida

[Fabbs]

Shooter plead allegiance to Isis after he was shot
I really wish L.E. would not let the media announce this.
Plays right into UnIsis propaganda wishes.

[IceColdBrewski]

LGBT community will blame homophobia. Libs will blame it all on gun owners. Neither will have the balls to put any blame on Islam or radical terrorism.

[Will Hunting]

LGBT community will blame homophobia. Libs will blame it all on gun owners. Neither will have the balls to put any blame on Islam or radical terrorism.

:lol thinking that sitting behind your keyboard and blaming Islam takes any more "balls" than blaming homophobia or gun owners from behind your keyboard

If your balls are so big, strap up, head over to Syria and go kill some ISIS, Rambo.

[313]

:lol thinking that sitting behind your keyboard and blaming Islam takes any more "balls" than blaming homophobia or gun owners from behind your keyboard

If your balls are so big, strap up, head over to Syria and go kill some ISIS, Rambo.:lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I really wish L.E. would not let the media announce this.
Plays right into UnIsis propaganda wishes.
So you support secretism and not letting the American public hear the truth? Sounds a lot like the lying bitch that is HRC, tbh...

[Chris]

They can kill 2 birds with one stone here- push the LGBT agenda while taking away our guns. Georg Hegel would be proud.

[monosylab1k]

:lol thinking that sitting behind your keyboard and blaming Islam takes any more "balls" than blaming homophobia or gun owners from behind your keyboard

If your balls are so big, strap up, head over to Syria and go kill some ISIS, Rambo.

:lmao

[resistanze]

:lol thinking that sitting behind your keyboard and blaming Islam takes any more "balls" than blaming homophobia or gun owners from behind your keyboard

If your balls are so big, strap up, head over to Syria and go kill some ISIS, Rambo.

:rollin

[IceColdBrewski]

:lol thinking that sitting behind your keyboard and blaming Islam takes any more "balls" than blaming homophobia or gun owners from behind your keyboard

If your balls are so big, strap up, head over to Syria and go kill some ISIS, Rambo.


Struck a nerve there huh?

I served in the Armed Forces back in the 90's. How bout you? Not that it matters anyway since you completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with going to Syria to fight ISIS, and everything to do with having the balls to pull your head out of the sand.

[IceColdBrewski]

Next comes the part where libs pretend this has nothing to do with ISIS since the shooter never had any "official ties" with them. As if there's some sort of Flintstones-type Order of the Water Buffalo Lodge initiation they have to go through before they become an official ISIS member. :lol

[Spurminator]

Struck a nerve there huh?

I served in the Armed Forces back in the 90's. How bout you? Not that it matters anyway since you completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with going to Syria to fight ISIS, and everything to do with having the balls to pull your head out of the sand.

... and then doing what? What should we do about Muslims?

[IceColdBrewski]

... and then doing what? What should we do about Muslims?

Why are you pretending to care what I think? Is my opinion going to change your mind?

[BatManu20]

Another Radical Islamist Terrorist fucking shit up on US soil. Deadliest mass shooting in US history. I think religion in general is pretty ridiculous but Islam is literally a cancer to this planet. Yes, I understand that most Muslims are not violent people, and the religion as a whole teaches peace, but the fact that there are so many Muslims who just want to kill everyone and everything in the name of their fucked religion is disgusting. The planet would be a much better place without it. Not a fan of Christianity or Judaism wither but you don't see any extremist Christians or Jews blowing shit up and shooing innocent people.

And it's trickled into the US over the past decade-and-a-half and now it's a real problem for us. ISIS has hundreds, if not thousands of pledged supporters living legally in the US now. It's fucked. ISIS is doing exactly what they want to us, staging mass shootings in random cities across the globe and trying to strike fear into the American people. It's working. And to make it even worse, extremist Liberals are having a field day with this shit, calling for Gun Control and background checks and yada yada yada. PEOPLE and RELIGION are the problem, not guns. Good luck taking guns away from the good guys while the bad guys continue to get guns like candy bars. And as far as the Gov. trying to take our guns.. Lol try me.

[BatManu20]

And Obama STILL refuses to mention the term "Radical Islamic Terrorism" in a single one of his public addresses.. :lol This fuckin guy will go to the grave before he slanders Islam whatsoever. He literally won't even mention the term Islam in these briefings, simply calling it "a hate crime" and "a gun problem." Fuckin noob.

[monosylab1k]

I served in the Armed Forces back in the 90's. How bout you?

I'm guessing he was smart enough to get into college legitimately and didn't need to serve in the military before getting a free pass into a school.

[~O~]

Living Orlando...it sure is somber out here. People have been mumbling about it and everyone is off the road and home due to paranoia.

[spurtech09]

Living Orlando...it sure is somber out here. People have been mumbling about it and everyone is off the road and home due to paranoia.Stay safe bro.....Pray that everyone in Orlando is safe....God Bless

[spurtech09]

Not to be disrespectful....Not into the Gay movement.....God rest those souls....May they R.I.P.

[spurtech09]

The LGBT haters here must be rejoicing.Not time for Drama.....Yes theres people that are not for the Gay Movement...Im one of them but I don't hate Gays...I love everyone.....But at a time like this we should be praying for one another...Forgiving one another.....respecting one another....Repent forgive for are sins.....Turn away from are wicked ways and turn to Jesus Christ.....Love you Bros and sisters.......God bless....Praise the Lord Almighty Jesus Christ and All Power and Glory to God....

[Spurminator]

Why are you pretending to care what I think? Is my opinion going to change your mind?

Is this not a message board? Why are you afraid to elaborate?

[IceColdBrewski]

I'm guessing he was smart enough to get into college legitimately and didn't need to serve in the military before getting a free pass into a school.

I wonder if those types still feel smarter when they see veterans getting hired/promoted over them after college because of their military experience instead of just four years of book learnin?

And there's no such thing as free pass into a school while going through the Military. Uncle Sam makes sure you earn every penny of it, and then some.

[HI-FI]

Another Radical Islamist Terrorist fucking shit up on US soil. Deadliest mass shooting in US history. I think religion in general is pretty ridiculous but Islam is literally a cancer to this planet. Yes, I understand that most Muslims are not violent people, and the religion as a whole teaches peace, but the fact that there are so many Muslims who just want to kill everyone and everything in the name of their fucked religion is disgusting. The planet would be a much better place without it. Not a fan of Christianity or Judaism wither but you don't see any extremist Christians or Jews blowing shit up and shooing innocent people.

And it's trickled into the US over the past decade-and-a-half and now it's a real problem for us. ISIS has hundreds, if not thousands of pledged supporters living legally in the US now. It's fucked. ISIS is doing exactly what they want to us, staging mass shootings in random cities across the globe and trying to strike fear into the American people. It's working. And to make it even worse, extremist Liberals are having a field day with this shit, calling for Gun Control and background checks and yada yada yada. PEOPLE and RELIGION are the problem, not guns. Good luck taking guns away from the good guys while the bad guys continue to get guns like candy bars. And as far as the Gov. trying to take our guns.. Lol try me.
yeah i've never understood why liberals turn into huge semen shields for Islam, especially the shills on this site. even the Muslims on here like lefty and ghazi don't try to defend their brothers in arms as badly as the liberals imo.

[IceColdBrewski]

Is this not a message board? Why are you afraid to elaborate?

You got me. I'm afraid. Not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight if I manage to remember all the terrifying questions that some yahoo on a message board was asking me. Scary stuff.

Give it up. I already know the game you're trying to play. Sorry, but you're not that clever.

[UZER]

yeah i've never understood why liberals turn into huge semen shields for Islam, especially the shills on this site. even the Muslims on here like lefty and ghazi don't try to defend their brothers in arms as badly as the liberals imo.

But come down like hammers on someone who won't sell someone else a cake.

[Spurminator]

You got me. I'm afraid. Not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight if I manage to remember all the terrifying questions that some yahoo on a message board was asking me. Scary stuff.

Give it up. I already know the game you're trying to play. Sorry, but you're not that clever.

Game? You're paranoid.

I mean, all you have to do is elaborate on your position that we are hiding our heads in the sand by not naming the right enemy. Surely there are tangible and specific consequences to our homeland security because of liberals not having the balls to blame Islam.

So let's blame Islam. This is the fault of Muslims. How do we hold them accountable and make sure this kind of attack doesn't happen again?

[Spurminator]

Another Radical Islamist Terrorist fucking shit up on US soil. Deadliest mass shooting in US history. I think religion in general is pretty ridiculous but Islam is literally a cancer to this planet. Yes, I understand that most Muslims are not violent people, and the religion as a whole teaches peace, but the fact that there are so many Muslims who just want to kill everyone and everything in the name of their fucked religion is disgusting. The planet would be a much better place without it. Not a fan of Christianity or Judaism wither but you don't see any extremist Christians or Jews blowing shit up and shooing innocent people.

And it's trickled into the US over the past decade-and-a-half and now it's a real problem for us. ISIS has hundreds, if not thousands of pledged supporters living legally in the US now. It's fucked. ISIS is doing exactly what they want to us, staging mass shootings in random cities across the globe and trying to strike fear into the American people. It's working. And to make it even worse, extremist Liberals are having a field day with this shit, calling for Gun Control and background checks and yada yada yada. PEOPLE and RELIGION are the problem, not guns. Good luck taking guns away from the good guys while the bad guys continue to get guns like candy bars. And as far as the Gov. trying to take our guns.. Lol try me.

You seem like you have some ideas about what we should do about Muslims, maybe you could elaborate since ICB won't.

[baseline bum]

yeah i've never understood why liberals turn into huge semen shields for Islam, especially the shills on this site. even the Muslims on here like lefty and ghazi don't try to defend their brothers in arms as badly as the liberals imo.

I hate that fucking shit. It's always funny seeing his guests get butthurt when Bill Maher starts talking about how shitty Islam is on his show.

[Big Dog]

yeah i've never understood why liberals turn into huge semen shields for Islam, especially the shills on this site. even the Muslims on here like lefty and ghazi don't try to defend their brothers in arms as badly as the liberals imo.
It's all in the agenda

[DMC]

I hate that fucking shit. It's always funny seeing his guests get butthurt when Bill Maher starts talking about how shitty Islam is on his show.
When Hitch was alive.. he would go apeshit on Islam and piss everyone off.

[DMC]

Dude would have had more success if he said "I represent Donald Trump" before dying. Saying he's with Isis, if he even said that, was just some bullshit last plea for relevancy since he was killing far left liberals who would pull every soldier out of the middle east if it were up to them.

[baseline bum]

When Hitch was alive.. he would go apeshit on Islam and piss everyone off.

Dawkins too. Man does he shit all over Islam in The God Delusion.

[baseline bum]

Although the funniest Dawkins moment was when Ted Haggard blew up in an interview with him a few months before we found out Teddy liked male prostitutes.

[Koolaid_Man]

Blood Donors Needed After Orlando Gay Club Shooting, But Queer Men Are BannedThe FDA legally prohibits donations from men who have sex with men.
06/12/2016 12:50 pm ET | Updated 7 hours ago

[IceColdBrewski]

Game?


Yes, game. The same stupid game of 20 questions that chumpdumper used to play whenever he got upset at the direction a topic was going, so that he could either steer the subject down the path HE wanted it to go, or claim people were "scared" when they didn't want to play his game and frustrate them into losing interest in the topic altogether.

At least with him it was original though. You can't even come up with your own shtick. Like I said, you're not that clever.

[Spurminator]

Yes, game. The same stupid game of 20 questions that chumpdumper used to play whenever he got upset at the direction a topic was going, so that he could either steer the subject down the path HE wanted it to go, or claim people were "scared" when they didn't want to play his game and frustrate them into losing interest in the topic altogether.

At least with him it was original though. You can't even come up with your own shtick. Like I said, you're not that clever.

"Stop trying to have a discussion with me on a discussion board! I came here to submit my opinions into a void without being asked to expound on them. I'm not going to play your clever 'dialogue' game."

Clearly you have weak convictions, but if it bothers you so much I won't victimize you anymore with my lofty expectations that you are actually able to justify them like an adult.

[TDMVPDPOY]

b4 u blame race and gender, why isnt anyone asking why and how this clown by-pass all security checks yet can buy that assault rifle?

seems like the gun seller dont give a shit as long he/she makes a sale...

[SpursforSix]

b4 u blame race and gender, why isnt anyone asking why and how this clown by-pass all security checks yet can buy that assault rifle?

seems like the gun seller dont give a shit as long he/she makes a sale...

I'm not sure the gun seller can do anything. He submits the data and the guy is approved or not. I don't think he can refuse to sell someone a gun because he looks Muslim. It's not like a cake.

[~O~]

Heard the count went up to 59.

[redzero]

I would like to see some security cam footage of this. Damn, I guess everybody was bottlenecking the exits and being picked off.

[Pelicans78]

:lol thinking that sitting behind your keyboard and blaming Islam takes any more "balls" than blaming homophobia or gun owners from behind your keyboard

If your balls are so big, strap up, head over to Syria and go kill some ISIS, Rambo.

:lol That line had me cracking up .

[lefty]

:lol so a Muslim kills poor gays during election campaign
:lol what a coincidence
:lol Trump surely doesn't have the money to make this happen, does he?

[TDMVPDPOY]

I'm not sure the gun seller can do anything. He submits the data and the guy is approved or not. I don't think he can refuse to sell someone a gun because he looks Muslim. It's not like a cake.

Well he can still refused to sell the gun even if the buyer passes all the security checks... cause they know if they dont sell it to them, they will g o purchase it somewhere else, and thats 1 loss sale for the seller...

anyway wasnt there a legislation that failed to go through earlier in the year stopping people on watch list from purchasing a gun? lol

anyway seems like the govt doesnt care, they just allow it to happen so they can beg the taxman for more money for more policy warmongering...

[SpursforSix]

Well he can still refused to sell the gun even if the buyer passes all the security checks... cause they know if they dont sell it to them, they will g o purchase it somewhere else, and thats 1 loss sale for the seller...

anyway wasnt there a legislation that failed to go through earlier in the year stopping people on watch list from purchasing a gun? lol

anyway seems like the govt doesnt care, they just allow it to happen so they can beg the taxman for more money for more policy warmongering...

If the guy passed the check, why would seller refuse to sell him a gun?

[TDMVPDPOY]

If the guy passed the check, why would seller refuse to sell him a gun?

cause a sale is a sale right? as long the seller makes a sale and makes his commission, they dont give a shit who they selling it too....

[Xevious]

So this kid was a US citizen, correct? His ties to ISIS were probably through the internet only. His firearms were bought legally as far as I know. So what is the take away here? How do you combat ISIS or homegrown radical Islamic terrorism like this?

[SpursforSix]

cause a sale is a sale right? as long the seller makes a sale and makes his commission, they dont give a shit who they selling it too....

You're a bozo.

[SpursforSix]

So this kid was a US citizen, correct? His ties to ISIS were probably through the internet only. His firearms were bought legally as far as I know. So what is the take away here? How do you combat ISIS or homegrown radical Islamic terrorism like this?

Like TDMVPPOY said...refuse to sell them the guns.

[redzero]

:lol so a Muslim kills poor gays during election campaign
:lol what a coincidence
:lol Trump surely doesn't have the money to make this happen, does he?

Pure and total conjecture.

[Xevious]

Like TDMVPPOY said...refuse to sell them the guns.

Refuse to sell who guns?

[StrengthAndHonor]

The gun laws should be toughened for Military type weapons. They should be obtainable, but with a higher degree of background and interviews.
Outlawing the guns is not an option. We just need to keep them away from recent immigrants and those that are under the FBI watch list.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Refuse to sell who guns?

doesnt matter if t he shooter was on the suspect watch lists, at the end of the day the business owner/seller like any other business can refuse to sell items base on the buyers characteristics or find them fishy in the store can always refuse to do a transaction, but they didnt cause clown needs to make a sale to make ends meet...

[TDMVPDPOY]

The gun laws should be toughened for Military type weapons. They should be obtainable, but with a higher degree of background and interviews.
Outlawing the guns is not an option. We just need to keep them away from recent immigrants and those that are under the FBI watch list.

if u sell it, there should be a harsh penalty if used wrongfully whether ur brainwashed or under any influence, punishment should be have their whole family lineage euthanized ....

[Xevious]

doesnt matter if t he shooter was on the suspect watch lists, at the end of the day the business owner/seller like any other business can refuse to sell items base on the buyers characteristics or find them fishy in the store can always refuse to do a transaction, but they didnt cause clown needs to make a sale to make ends meet...
Maybe I missed something, but how was he fishy? His skin was brown? At the end of the day, if it is legal to sell a product to somebody, you can't expect them to not make the sale. Now you can argue that the law needs to change and that he shouldn't have been able to purchase a gun while on the watch list... but it's easy enough to buy a gun illegally in this country also.

In any case, I ask again what the takeaway is? How to we combat ISIS from recruiting people via the internet, if that is really what happened (and this wasn't just some random unstable asshole). This kid was on the FBI watchlist and still pulled off the deadliest shooting in US history. So what now? Everybody has access to the internet through multiple sources.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Maybe I missed something, but how was he fishy? His skin was brown? At the end of the day, if it is legal to sell a product to somebody, you can't expect them to not make the sale. Now you can argue that the law needs to change and that he shouldn't have been able to purchase a gun while on the watch list... but it's easy enough to buy a gun illegally in this country also.

In any case, I ask again what the takeaway is? How to we combat ISIS from recruiting people via the internet, if that is really what happened (and this wasn't just some random unstable asshole). This kid was on the FBI watchlist and still pulled off the deadliest shooting in US history. So what now? Everybody has access to the internet through multiple sources.

well thats the difference between being able to purchased a military semi auto rifle legitimately and buying one on the blackmarket, who is going to sell him one on the blackmarket?

[oh crap]

happens on a regular basis. black market isn't an industry for no reason.

[z0sa]

Game? You're paranoid.

I mean, all you have to do is elaborate on your position that we are hiding our heads in the sand by not naming the right enemy. Surely there are tangible and specific consequences to our homeland security because of liberals not having the balls to blame Islam.

So let's blame Islam. This is the fault of Muslims. How do we hold them accountable and make sure this kind of attack doesn't happen again?

Like all neoliberals, you refuse to make any distinction between radical muslims - of which ISIS is only a part - and the rest of Islam. It is ok saying hey, we cant blame all Muslims for this. It is not ok ignoring the ugly part of their religion that has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans, on US soil, in multiple different attacks from completely unrelated sources.

You and other neoliberals' staunch refusal to make any distinction or discuss the issues radical Muslims pose on american soil - including the non violent ones - indirectly contributes both to the anti Muslim sentiments many Americans feel as well terrorism itself via enabling.

[Spurminator]

Like all neoliberals, you refuse to make any distinction between radical muslims - of which ISIS is only a part - and the rest of Islam. It is ok saying hey, we cant blame all Muslims for this. It is not ok ignoring the ugly part of their religion that has caused the deaths of thousands of Americans, on US soil, in multiple different attacks from completely unrelated sources.

You and other neoliberals' staunch refusal to make any distinction or discuss the issues radical Muslims pose on american soil - including the non violent ones - indirectly contributes both to the anti Muslim sentiments many Americans feel as well terrorism itself via enabling.

Making a distinction between Muslims and radical Islam is the entire point. It's not the "neoliberals" who tend to smirk and rush to point out, "Oh, big surprise, the shooter's a Muslim."

[Will Hunting]

... and then doing what? What should we do about Muslims?


Why are you pretending to care what I think? Is my opinion going to change your mind?
I like how the question was completely dodged here :lol

For the record, it's clear to me that this attack was at least partially caused by Islamic extremism, but that doesn't stop me from laughing at conservatives who think they're somehow helping solve the problem but writing on a message board that this was caused by extremism.

[hitmanyr2k]

And Obama STILL refuses to mention the term "Radical Islamic Terrorism" in a single one of his public addresses.. :lol This fuckin guy will go to the grave before he slanders Islam whatsoever. He literally won't even mention the term Islam in these briefings, simply calling it "a hate crime" and "a gun problem." Fuckin noob.

What difference does that make? What is that going to do exactly? Is it going to stop crazy people from getting guns? No. Is it going to make the shootings stop? No. Do you think the next time a shooter wants to go kill people he's going to stop and think "hmmmm, Obama is going to call me a radical islamic terrorist if I do this. Maybe I should think twice about this". It's so dumb people think something as stupid as a fuckin label means anything.

[CavsSuperFan]

It will be impossible to make sense of this horrible tragedy….But I think most of us can agree that Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is nice to look at…

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[Fabbs]

So this kid was a US citizen, correct? His ties to ISIS were probably through the internet only. His firearms were bought legally as far as I know. So what is the take away here? How do you combat ISIS or homegrown radical Islamic terrorism like this?
I'd like to see hackers galore hired by US Gov.
Search the internet 24/7 shutting down sites that have the Radical Islam terrorist babble.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Predictable cesspool of a thread

[z0sa]

Making a distinction between Muslims and radical Islam is the entire point. It's not the "neoliberals" who tend to smirk and rush to point out, "Oh, big surprise, the shooter's a Muslim."

... no shit. That's kind of the point. You are a neoliberal, one of these New Democrat types who will keep being intellectually dishonest by being surprised Muslims *gasp* have a significantly large radical population which kills people and hates American society. You cant or wont make a distinction and thus, are a major barrier against our society moving forward towards a realistic solution that absolves moderate and liberal Muslims at large while rightfully placing some pressure on more conservative, radical leaning types. The irony and hypocrisy so many having zero problem making this distinction with christian bubbas and bible thumpers.

[Will Hunting]

Some people ITT clearly have no idea what the term neo liberal means.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

[z0sa]

Some people ITT clearly have no idea what the term neo liberal means.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

It has taken on a different meaning in context of the Clinton era Democrats and onwards. I use neoliberal, new democrat and Clintonian interchangeably and it is more a reflection of the neocon label, and how so many democrats mirror neocons in many ways they may not even be aware of, than anything.

[Will Hunting]

It has taken on a different meaning in context of the Clinton era Democrats and onwards. I use neoliberal, new democrat and Clintonian interchangeably and it is more a reflection of the neocon label, and how so many democrats mirror neocons in many ways they may not even be aware of, than anything.

:lol I'm curious when this "different meaning" was taken on and who exactly is using it.

[z0sa]

:lol I'm curious when this "different meaning" was taken on and who exactly is using it.

Ok

[leemajors]

I'd like to see hackers galore hired by US Gov.
Search the internet 24/7 shutting down sites that have the Radical Islam terrorist babble.

they can't hire them, they all smoke pot :lmao

[Spurminator]

... no shit. That's kind of the point. You are a neoliberal, one of these New Democrat types who will keep being intellectually dishonest by being surprised Muslims *gasp* have a significantly large radical population which kills people and hates American society. You cant or wont make a distinction and thus, are a major barrier against our society moving forward towards a realistic solution that absolves moderate and liberal Muslims at large while rightfully placing some pressure on more conservative, radical leaning types. The irony and hypocrisy so many having zero problem making this distinction with christian bubbas and bible thumpers.

What are you talking about? I just made the distinction and you're telling me I won't make the distinction. :lol

What are we failing to do with regards to radical Muslims and terror groups that you believe will prevent attacks like the Orlando shooting, and how does liberal (or "neoliberal") policy get in the way of that, specifically?

[Will Hunting]

What are you talking about? I just made the distinction and you're telling me I won't make the distinction. :lol

What are we failing to do with regards to radical Muslims and terror groups that you believe will prevent attacks like the Orlando shooting, and how does liberal (or "neoliberal") policy get in the way of that, specifically?

I want to hear him talk more about how those damn neoliberals like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher aren't being hard enough on ISIS :lmao

[z0sa]

What are you talking about? I just made the distinction and you're telling me I won't make the distinction. :lol

What are we failing to do with regards to radical Muslims and terror groups that you believe will prevent attacks like the Orlando shooting, and how does liberal (or "neoliberal") policy get in the way of that, specifically?

Im seeing you asking what will change if we blame Muslims, ie anything but making a distinction and completely dodging any real discussion about the its radical conservative adherents. Nice try though.

[Spurminator]

Im seeing you asking what will change if we blame Muslims, ie anything but making a distinction and completely dodging any real discussion about the its radical conservative adherents. Nice try though.

Seriously, WTF?

I specifically said *radical Muslims.*

Apparently you can't make the distinction, I don't know how else this could be so difficult.

[z0sa]

Game? You're paranoid.

I mean, all you have to do is elaborate on your position that we are hiding our heads in the sand by not naming the right enemy. Surely there are tangible and specific consequences to our homeland security because of liberals not having the balls to blame Islam.

So let's blame Islam. This is the fault of Muslims. How do we hold them accountable and make sure this kind of attack doesn't happen again?

Not a radical Muslim to be found.

[Spurminator]

Here I am TRYING to have a "real" discussion on a public discussion board, and all I'm getting are accusations of not wanting to have a real discussion, or of "playing games."

[Spurminator]

Not a radical Muslim to be found.

It would be helpful for you to follow the prior posts in that discussion to see how I reached that post.

[z0sa]

... and then doing what? What should we do about Muslims?

Your one post before the last post I quoted. You never mentioned anything about radical islam, or made any distinction, in this entire thread.

We now see how extremely intellectually dishonest you are, and how like i predicted, you refuse any realistic discourse.

[Spurminator]

Your one post before the last post I quoted. You never mentioned anything about radical islam, or made any distinction, in this entire thread.

I didn't mention radical Islam because the comment I was replying to didn't mention radical Islam.

[z0sa]

... and then doing what? What should we do about Muslims?


I didn't mention radical Islam because the comment I was replying to didn't mention radical Islam.

:lmao :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

[Spurminator]

We now see how extremely intellectually dishonest you are, and how like i predicted, you refuse any realistic discourse.

SOOO melodramatic... I am specifically asking you for discourse about liberal failures with regard to fighting radical Islam and all you've done is accuse me of not wanting to talk about that very thing.

I'm not going to get into a boring Chump-vs-Avante back and forth with you, either you want to talk about it or you don't.

[Spurminator]

:lmao :lmao

:lmao You won't quote the post I was replying to.

I await the real discourse you say you want.

[z0sa]

Lol busted being a liar, then lies some more, then compares hinself to chumpdumper and me to avante as if he isnt the Avante here.

[Spurminator]

Now I'm just confused. Are you ESL and I wasn't aware? How are your reading comprehension skills so poor?

[z0sa]

Seriously, WTF?

I specifically said *radical Muslims.*

Apparently you can't make the distinction, I don't know how else this could be so difficult.

Truth rating: pants on fire.

[z0sa]

Now I'm just confused. Are you ESL and I wasn't aware? How are your reading comprehension skills so poor?

Lol and just like Avante, once caught lying outright you call scorebiard anyway and start tryibg to bully and laugh at people.

[StrengthAndHonor]

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316
Holy crap

[TDMVPDPOY]

everybody knows the neos want to push this as a sex/terrorist issue and not a guns issue cause its all elections now....

dunno how big is the nra club, but how much do they donate to parties?

[djohn2oo8]

Holy crap


A former classmate of Omar Mateen’s 2006 police academy class said he believed Mateen was gay, saying Mateen once asked him out.