David West opting out

[AFMadison]

Per Woj

[DJR210]

He's gonna take even less money

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs better not end up paying him more.

[Sean Cagney]

Spurs better not end up paying him more.

^^^^ This.

[dabom]

:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::f lag:

[sananspursfan21]

I don't blame him. I'd opt out too if I took a huge cut to join a "championship" team and things ended as they did this year

[TheGreatYacht]

Pop robbed him from ringing :wakeup

[dabom]

I don't blame him. I'd opt out too if I took a huge cut to join a "championship" team and things ended as they did this year

Especially if he was the reason. He got starter minutes and sinked the ship...

[baseline bum]

Crap, he's going to get $6 million or so from PATFO.

[AFMadison]

I wouldn't mind seeing him back with the team, but not for more money, and only if Pop plays him right.

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO better be on the phone with Joakim Noah or Matt Barnes, bc we just lost the toughest player on the team

[Chinook]

Hmm. Only way he could have opted in would have been if the Spurs were sure they'd have no financial flexibility to give him more with him being okay with that. So this is hardly informative. It's better than no news, though. People can stop using his cap space in their salary projections.

[Hoops Czar]

Hmm. Only way he could have opted in would have been if the Spurs were sure they'd have no financial flexibility to give him more with him being okay with that. So this is hardly informative. It's better than no news, though. People can stop using his cap space in their salary projections.

Or, the Spurs most regrettably won't be giving Boban (:depressed) or Gasol the MLE because they're giving it to David West instead. Their might have been a wink, wink deal in place between the Spurs and West when he decided to sign here last year. Is there a flushing money down the toilet emoji?

[SpursforSix]

Is there a flushing money down the toilet emoji?

yes...

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png

[dabom]

yes...

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png

:lmao

[MVPCues]

yes...

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png


OMG dude. I just nearly spit my drink. The screen was scrolled just enough to see your "yes". I was thinking...I don't remember that emoji...then I scrolled. So funny!

[TheGreatYacht]

Is there a flushing money down the toilet emoji?
:claw

paying a a system player max money, such a Spurs move lol.

[jeebus]

Bonner coming back confirmed.

[SpursforSix]

Bonner coming back confirmed.

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png

[bklynspursfan]

I sure hope he comes back. Really wanted to get him the Finley treatment

[TheDoctor]

yes...

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[DPG21920]

Hard to read anything, but I can't see anything changing for West. He seemed to love the Spurs before and spoke glowingly of his experience during.

Perhaps it was part of the deal to get him to sign with SA - do this and we will sign you next year for a bigger deal. Perhaps SA doesn't have a good shot other than making small 1 year tweaks this year and he gets a 1 year deal so things can proceed next year.

Or perhaps he's really thinking about calling it quits?

[gambit1990]

yes...

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png
funny and sad at the same time...

[loveforthegame]

Probably signing for more money. It's Pops answer to getting younger and more athletic.

[TheMulletMan3000]

he's going to gsw

[San Antonio Slayer]

West signing for more money, Timmy is retiring and Diaw is being waived

[mo7888]

yes...

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png
You won the internet today...

[DPG21920]

I mean, I honestly don't think it' a money thing. If it was he would not have taken such a crazy payout when he did not have to. It could be obviously, but you would have to think he knows the more money he makes the less the team has to improve with.

If his goal was a title and he gave up 11M it would be foolish to go the other way now - especially after the season SA had.

[MaNu4Tres]

I can't imagine Spurs re-signing him with a raise. Can't imagine them making promises last summer regarding a more lucrative contract in the future -- considering how old he is.

Retiring or gone... At least I hope.

[SupremeGuy]

yes...

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/GHQ5_9vHGCt2ZjWyoXB5jw--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2ZpPWluc2V0O2g9MjgwO3E9OTU7dz01MD I-/https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/nba_cutout/players_l/20141107/3527.png:rollin

[DPG21920]

I can't imagine Spurs re-signing him with a raise. Can't imagine them making promises last summer regarding a more lucrative contract in the future -- considering how old he is.

Retiring or gone... At least I hope.

Even at his age, there was considerable interest in West last year. I can definitely see SA promising to give him a raise after year 1 for coming. I don't think it's necessarily the reason for the opt out, but I wouldn't be shocked or anything.

[DPG21920]

San Antonio Spurs forward David West has decided to decline his $1.5 million player option for 2016-17 and evaluate his playing future, league sources told The Vertical.

West signed a two-year contract with the Spurs last season, rejecting his $12.6 million option with the Indiana Pacers to sign for the veteran's minimum and pursue a championship in San Antonio.

West relished playing for the Spurs in a reserve role to LaMarcus Aldridge and Tim Duncan. For West, declining the second-year option had always been a relative lock. West, 35, now faces a final decision on continuing his playing career, and would assuredly consider a return to the Spurs. The Spurs could give West a more lucrative deal depending on their free-agent pursuits.

In 78 games this season, West averaged 7.1 points and four rebounds while shooting 54.5 percent from the field.

The Spurs also face option and playing decisions from longtime stars Duncan and Manu Ginobili. San Antonio made a run to the Western Conference semifinals, where they lost to the Oklahoma City Thunder in six games.

West has averaged 14.8 points and 6.9 rebounds in 13 NBA seasons with New Orleans, Indiana and San Antonio. He was the No. 18 overall pick by New Orleans in the 2003 NBA draft out of Xavier.

Per Yahoo...http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--david-west-to-decline-option-with-spurs--ponders-future-184846774.html

[TheGoldStandard]

:pop: Asked him to lose 30 pounds, gonna be my backup 3.

[DPG21920]

Makes sense. If the Spurs can't create the cap space this year to do what they want, they can still field a competitive team and sign a guy like West to a lucrative 1 year deal (they have to spend the money anyways and can reward him). Then kick the can down the road until next year's free agency.

Probably not plan A, but definitely something that is realistic depending on what Tim/Manu do, what happens in the draft and what trades they might make.

[rjv]

nice to see some initial movement finally taking place. first of july is just around the corner.

[TheGoldStandard]

Makes sense. If the Spurs can't create the cap space this year to do what they want, they can still field a competitive team and sign a guy like West to a lucrative 1 year deal (they have to spend the money anyways and can reward him). Then kick the can down the road until next year's free agency.

Probably not plan A, but definitely something that is realistic depending on what Tim/Manu do, what happens in the draft and what trades they might make.

Ideally though why try to contend if it's not with pieces that will be there long term. I'd rather tell him kick rocks, bring in a rookie and let him get experience.. Cheap rookie deal plus experience and maybe suck enough to get a good draft pick. Cap space plus potential 15-20 pick and a core to build around. Why prolong the inevitable rebuild by retreading old fogies?

[DPG21920]

Ideally though why try to contend if it's not with pieces that will be there long term. I'd rather tell him kick rocks, bring in a rookie and let him get experience.. Cheap rookie deal plus experience and maybe suck enough to get a good draft pick. Cap space plus potential 15-20 pick and a core to build around. Why prolong the inevitable rebuild by retreading old fogies?

Because they won't do that to Tim/Manu/TP/West. They won 67 games and could have beaten OKC. They may believe (as do I) that they don't need massive improvements.

Especially if Tim/Manu come back, that will make it difficult to truly do anything in FA (because that means 99% they don't trade TP either then) so they will work with what they can, be loyal and hope to strike gold in the draft or through whatever small trades they can make.

The only concern at this point is Tim/Manu and they will not look to the future until Tim is gone.

[coachmac87]

I just don't think West should come back. Spurs gotta try something else...and I dunno if West will be willing to wait and see

[DPG21920]

I just don't think West should come back. Spurs gotta try something else...and I dunno if West will be willing to wait and see

I do. I don't think he wants money, like I said, or else why do what he did? I'm sure he would take more money if the Spurs were being loyal and strike out on other moves. But with how much he loves SA and how good SA was last year, I think he still thinks SA is the best spot.

We may very well be looking at a situation where West is looking at retiring or returning if the Spurs need him for another year if FA plan A/B don't happen.

[TimDunkem]

I'll take him as the 5th bigman.

[dabom]

Everyone expected DWest as the fourth big off the bench. Got sixth man minutes instead. :lmao

[NASpurs]

Everyone expected DWest as the fourth big off the bench. Got sixth man minutes instead. :lmao

Which is why I don't want him back, if Poop keeps giving him minutes like a sixth man. Now if West was the fourth/fifth big, then sure why not. I know it's not West's fault though.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't blame him. I'd opt out too if I took a huge cut to join a "championship" team and things ended as they did this year

Except that he was as bad as anyone in the playoffs.

Bye, Felicia.

[coachmac87]

I do. I don't think he wants money, like I said, or else why do what he did? I'm sure he would take more money if the Spurs were being loyal and strike out on other moves. But with how much he loves SA and how good SA was last year, I think he still thinks SA is the best spot.

We may very well be looking at a situation where West is looking at retiring or returning if the Spurs need him for another year if FA plan A/B don't happen.

You could be right. It'd be great if he would wait around. But as a FO you can't attack the offseason that way..you either bring him back or find his replacement. We dunno who will knock on his door or what $ is available. Heck we don't even know what SA wants to do tbh

[dabom]

Which is why I don't want him back, if Poop keeps giving him minutes like a sixth man. Now if West was the fourth/fifth big, then sure why not. I know it's not West's fault though.

I have no problem with Fathead of DWest. Just don't play them big minutes during the Playoffs. :lol

[DPG21920]

You could be right. It'd be great if he would wait around. But as a FO you can't attack the offseason that way..you either bring him back or find his replacement. We dunno who will knock on his door or what $ is available. Heck we don't even know what SA wants to do tbh

That is exactly how the FO attacks it IMO. There's an understanding there. I don't think the danger of losing West dictates anything. It could happen, but don't think it is a real threat IMO.

[gambit1990]

west did good during the regular season.

shot 55% from the field. career best.

[Budkin]

I don't blame him. I'd opt out too if I took a huge cut to join a "championship" team and things ended as they did this year

A huge reason they ended that way was because of him. He was fucking terrible against OKC.

[GSH]

Except that he was as bad as anyone in the playoffs.


Yeah, I don't know. West played his whole career at the 4. He spent a lot of this season playing C. In the regular season he was facing a lot of backups, and he held his own pretty well most of the time. In the playoffs, the starters spend a lot more time on the floor, plus OKC had one of the best bench C's in the league.

If the Spurs had the Tim Duncan from the 2015 playoffs, I think they at least get a shot at GSW I the conference finals. Against OKC's monsters, West never had much of a chance. I'm not denying that he wasn't good, but the expectations are probably a little unfair.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, I don't know. West played his whole career at the 4. He spent a lot of this season playing C. In the regular season he was facing a lot of backups, and he held his own pretty well most of the time. In the playoffs, the starters spend a lot more time on the floor, plus OKC had one of the best bench C's in the league.

If the Spurs had the Tim Duncan from the 2015 playoffs, I think they at least get a shot at GSW I the conference finals. Against OKC's monsters, West never had much of a chance. I'm not denying that he wasn't good, but the expectations are probably a little unfair.

The expectations were at very least that he would hit open jumpers and make smart plays. He did neither. And all the talk when he was signed was about how much he loved the Spurs and how he had their poster on his wall. So much for all that fandom when he shits the bed in the playoffs and then bolts at the first opportunity.

[DPG21920]

Why are you saying he's bolting? Him opting out is not only expected but it doesn't mean he's bolting either.

[TD 21]

I mean, I honestly don't think it' a money thing. If it was he would not have taken such a crazy payout when he did not have to. It could be obviously, but you would have to think he knows the more money he makes the less the team has to improve with.

If his goal was a title and he gave up 11M it would be foolish to go the other way now - especially after the season SA had.

Of course "it's a money thing". The difference between last year and this year is, last year he had to accept the veteran's minimum to play for the Spurs. This year, he could conceivably receive a substantial raise to play for the Spurs. Barring retirement, this is more than likely his intention.

From the Spurs' perspective, I always thought he was going to be one and done though (the player option was essentially insurance, to recoup some money, in case he suffered a career ending or at the very least debilitating injury). He was always going to be a cultural fit more so than an on court one and Marjanovic is clearly in line to be promoted to fourth big.

[siraulo23]

West played like ayres vs okc

but adams/ibaka/kanter also made the gsw frontcourt look bad

[TheGreatYacht]

The expectations were at very least that he would hit open jumpers and make smart plays. He did neither. And all the talk when he was signed was about how much he loved the Spurs and how he had their poster on his wall. So much for all that fandom when he shits the bed in the playoffs and then bolts at the first opportunity.
:cry If you love the Spurs so much, why don't you play for the minimum again :cry

He was a bargain. He was the best big off the bench throughout the season, anything else he gave us was icing on the cake. He wants a ring, and he ain't getting one playing for a past his prime coach that has mailed it in. He ain't taking another paycut. Not even Manu is playing for the minimum and he's more washed.

If you expected more, you're a dumb ass.

[GSH]

The expectations were at very least that he would hit open jumpers and make smart plays. He did neither. And all the talk when he was signed was about how much he loved the Spurs and how he had their poster on his wall. So much for all that fandom when he shits the bed in the playoffs and then bolts at the first opportunity.


LOL... he loved them $10M worth. That was money in the bank, and he straight gave it up. I don't really blame him for not playing a second year for the min, if he can get more. Besides, opting out of a player option year is how he got here. I think most of us questioned that second year when it was first announced.

He did, in fact, miss some open jumpers against OKC, and he made some bad plays. Should I be angry because he played badly, or mad because he's opting out? Doing both seems hard to maintain.

[cjw]

It's $1 million of additional cap space. They can still sign him at the minimum (1 + player option) after using up the cap space, as the veteran's minimum is higher. He'd then have Early Bird rights after next season, or full Bird rights after the following. Early Bird wouldn't be great for him, but there'd be a ton more cap space to give him a bigger deal with after 2016-17 (if in fact it were a Richard Jefferson-like wink deal).

[DPG21920]

Of course "it's a money thing". The difference between last year and this year is, last year he had to accept the veteran's minimum to play for the Spurs. This year, he could conceivably receive a substantial raise to play for the Spurs. Barring retirement, this is more than likely his intention.

From the Spurs' perspective, I always thought he was going to be one and done though (the player option was essentially insurance, to recoup some money, in case he suffered a career ending or at the very least debilitating injury). He was always going to be a cultural fit more so than an on court one and Marjanovic is clearly in line to be promoted to fourth big.

I disagree. I agree he had to take the min to play for SA, but he actually did it. It showed his true colours and what he values. I just don't find it logical that he would take more money if it meant a worse shot at winning a title. Could he get paid more? Absolutely but I think that happens if SA has the money to burn and it makes no difference if they give it to West.

We will see though - hard to read too much into this announcement since it's very expected.

[GSH]

It's $1 million of additional cap space. They can still sign him at the minimum (1 + player option) after using up the cap space, as the veteran's minimum is higher. He'd then have Early Bird rights after next season, or full Bird rights after the following. Early Bird wouldn't be great for him, but there'd be a ton more cap space to give him a bigger deal with after 2016-17 (if in fact it were a Richard Jefferson-like wink deal).


As old as he is, Bird rights don't have much meaning. He might have one more 3-year deal coming... maybe. After that, he's a vet min "veteran presence on the bench". I'm sure he'd like to get something like 3/18. When you start talking about giving up something with 7 zeros? Not many people would even think about that - especially after already giving up 8 zeros this year.

[T Park]

Hard to read anything, but I can't see anything changing for West. He seemed to love the Spurs before and spoke glowingly of his experience during.

Perhaps it was part of the deal to get him to sign with SA - do this and we will sign you next year for a bigger deal. Perhaps SA doesn't have a good shot other than making small 1 year tweaks this year and he gets a 1 year deal so things can proceed next year.

Or perhaps he's really thinking about calling it quits?



I'm betting on retirement.

[SpursforSix]

I disagree. I agree he had to take the min to play for SA, but he actually did it. It showed his true colours and what he values. I just don't find it logical that he would take more money if it meant a worse shot at winning a title. Could he get paid more? Absolutely but I think that happens if SA has the money to burn and it makes no difference if they give it to West.

We will see though - hard to read too much into this announcement since it's very expected.

I don't know. I sort of agree with you. But then I think West has to be looking at the financial impact on his life and future. If he takes "small" money again, he's sacrificing somewhere around $18,000,000-$20,000,000.

[Kawhitstorm]

Makes sense. If the Spurs can't create the cap space this year to do what they want, they can still field a competitive team and sign a guy like West to a lucrative 1 year deal (they have to spend the money anyways and can reward him). Then kick the can down the road until next year's free agency.

If Tim/Manu return then then the Spurs will be capped out & the only thing they will have to offer are the "exceptions" (MLE/RE). There are already talks of Boban returning & his market value is at least the MLE so D-Worst might at most get the Room Exception which isn't a "lucrative" deal.:lol (I don't see a scenario where PATFO waive Diaw & give D-Worst a raise since Diaw's 3 mill will be on the books)


Probably not plan A, but definitely something that is realistic depending on what Tim/Manu do, what happens in the draft and what trades they might make.

This could be a scenario where PATFO want to clear cap space to every possible dime if they want to go after someone like Horford. They won't be able to give him the max but GSW were able to sign Iggy despite other teams out-biding them by make more lucrative contract offer & more years. GSW was actually capped out but promised Iggy they will move as many contracts as possible at the expense of draft picks so they can offer him as much money as they could offer under the CBA.



We may very well be looking at a situation where West is looking at retiring or returning if the Spurs need him for another year if FA plan A/B don't happen.

He might pull a McDyess & retire while leaving money on the table. Dyess had a solid regular season but got mauled in the postseason ala D-Worst.

[TD 21]

I disagree. I agree he had to take the min to play for SA, but he actually did it. It showed his true colours and what he values. I just don't find it logical that he would take more money if it meant a worse shot at winning a title. Could he get paid more? Absolutely but I think that happens if SA has the money to burn and it makes no difference if they give it to West.

We will see though - hard to read too much into this announcement since it's very expected.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact; that was literally all they could offer him. It's naive to believe that anyone is so altruistic, that they'd repeatedly sell themselves short, especially considering it's now clear they longer have about as good a chance to win the championship as anyone.

As I said, if he wants to keep playing, I think he'd love for it to be with the Spurs, only this time at a more representative price.

[DPG21920]

I didn't say it wasn't a fact. I said the fact he was ok with taking the min to play with the Spurs (all they could offer) shows he's not about the money.

He's about winning and I don't think he would value anything more than winning as evidenced by him giving up 11M to try and win for the min.

[baseline bum]

You guys are crazy, West is way better than a minimum salary player. He's easily worth $5 million+. Just because he gave the Spurs an unreal bargain last summer doesn't mean he should be stuck there at minimum. Don't get me wrong, I was hoping he'd stay on the deal he had so the Spurs would have more cap space, but he has earned another contract after a strong year.

[random21]

Adios West... This guy is just a midranger chucker.... He showed passion, but way too slow, short and non-athletic...

[TD 21]

I didn't say it wasn't a fact. I said the fact he was ok with taking the min to play with the Spurs (all they could offer) shows he's not about the money.

He's about winning and I don't think he would value anything more than winning as evidenced by him giving up 11M to try and win for the min.

I know you didn't; I did, to point out that him doing so wasn't out of the goodness of his heart.

He wasn't about the money . . . last year. Now, should he continue playing, he'll understandably want to recoup a portion of what he left on the table.

[313]

Please retire

[Obstructed_View]

LOL... he loved them $10M worth. That was money in the bank, and he straight gave it up. I don't really blame him for not playing a second year for the min, if he can get more. Besides, opting out of a player option year is how he got here. I think most of us questioned that second year when it was first announced.

He did, in fact, miss some open jumpers against OKC, and he made some bad plays. Should I be angry because he played badly, or mad because he's opting out? Doing both seems hard to maintain.

Well I'm certainly not mad that he opted out, as he managed to play down to his contract.

[Obstructed_View]

:cry If you love the Spurs so much, why don't you play for the minimum again :cry

He was a bargain. He was the best big off the bench throughout the season, anything else he gave us was icing on the cake. He wants a ring, and he ain't getting one playing for a past his prime coach that has mailed it in. He ain't taking another paycut. Not even Manu is playing for the minimum and he's more washed.

If you expected more, you're a dumb ass.

So no icing then. He was better than fat, uninterested Boris Diaw. He was still the second best big off the bench this season.

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[poeticism707]

Yes!!!!!!!

Can't play d, especially help d which is laughable,

and 9 out of 10 nights can't shoot for shit.

DON'T RESIGN THIS BUM POP!!!

WEST AND BONNER CAN CATCH THE FIRST BUS

OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!

[Kawhitstorm]

You guys are crazy, West is way better than a minimum salary player. He's easily worth $5 million+. Just because he gave the Spurs an unreal bargain last summer doesn't mean he should be stuck there at minimum. Don't get me wrong, I was hoping he'd stay on the deal he had so the Spurs would have more cap space, but he has earned another contract after a strong year.

He's worth the MLE to any team except the Spurs b/c he & Diaw are redundant. It's essentially the Patty/CoJo scenario except D-Worst is washed up.

[phxspurfan]

I can't imagine Spurs re-signing him with a raise. Can't imagine them making promises last summer regarding a more lucrative contract in the future -- considering how old he is.

Retiring or gone... At least I hope.

We've done wink wink :lobt2: deals (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13181032/san-antonio-spurs-trade-tiago-splitter-atlanta-hawks) :lobt2: before. (http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3309400) :lobt2:

[024]

Sounds like he didn't opt out just so the Spurs can give him more money. I don't mind if the Spurs keep West at the minimum but if he wants more money, he can go elsewhere.

[baseline bum]

Yes!!!!!!!

Can't play d, especially help d which is laughable,

and 9 out of 10 nights can't shoot for shit.

DON'T RESIGN THIS BUM POP!!!

WEST AND BONNER CAN CATCH THE FIRST BUS

OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!

The guy hit 54.5% from the field this year. West isn't much of a rebounder but one thing he can do is shoot.

[SAGirl]

He's worth the MLE to any team except the Spurs b/c he & Diaw are redundant. It's essentially the Patty/CoJo scenario except D-Worst is washed up.
Him and Diaw are indeed redundant together and Diaw is guaranteed for at least 3 mill. He came out saying Spurs were aiming to keep him.
Then Boban is also getting paid and needs playing time now that he'll be compensated adequately. On top of that we are getting Bertans, maybe others (Cady?). As they are, minutes at the 4 are too short already to justify even D west in the roster, unless he is played as a center and he wasn't very good and was exposed even through the season as a center.
I'd say no to D west if he wants a raise. He will get paid elsewhere.

[Ice009]

Ideally though why try to contend if it's not with pieces that will be there long term. I'd rather tell him kick rocks, bring in a rookie and let him get experience.. Cheap rookie deal plus experience and maybe suck enough to get a good draft pick. Cap space plus potential 15-20 pick and a core to build around. Why prolong the inevitable rebuild by retreading old fogies?

You don't flush a 67 win team down the toilet and rebuild it like you're projecting to be a lottery team, especially when the Spurs had a real chance at knocking out OKC. If Tim and Manu come back, you don't do that to them. If you don't like it, leave, start rooting for one of those lottery teams if you want to watch a rebuilding team. I'll never take a 67 win team for granted and ask for it to be broken up and rebuilt (unless it can be upgraded by doing so).

I'd rather take a chance and do the best job possible and tweak the roster to try and make another run at a championship (even if we can't get another big FA). I don't think a lot of fans around here know how crappy it's going to be once the team isn't in contention anymore.

[TheGoldStandard]

You don't flush a 67 win team down the toilet and rebuild it like you're projecting to be a lottery team, especially when the Spurs had a real chance at knocking out OKC. If Tim and Manu come back, you don't do that to them. If you don't like it, leave, start rooting for one of those lottery teams if you want to watch a rebuilding team. I'll never take a 67 win team for granted and ask for it to be broken up and rebuilt (unless it can be upgraded by doing so).

I'd rather take a chance and do the best job possible and tweak the roster to try and make another run at a championship (even if we can't get another big FA). I don't think a lot of fans around here know how crappy it's going to be once the team isn't in contention anymore.

The way you stay in contention is you start to rebuild when the time is right and the time is right. Just because we won 67 games means absolutely nothing once the playoffs begin if we can't get over the major hurdles of beating teams that always give us problems. Duncan has two bad knees now and is 40, Manu is ancient and can't be our 6th man running the bench. Parker looks like a shell.. The bench is ancient considering the players that actually get run in the playoffs.

The rebuild needs to come sooner rather than later because eventually the fall off is going to happen and then what? Let's piecemeal a team together without a year or two of preparation while our best player approaches his prime. Spurs presently constructed can't beat GS in a 7 game series.

[DPG21920]

The way you stay in contention is you start to rebuild when the time is right and the time is right. Just because we won 67 games means absolutely nothing once the playoffs begin if we can't get over the major hurdles of beating teams that always give us problems. Duncan has two bad knees now and is 40, Manu is ancient and can't be our 6th man running the bench. Parker looks like a shell.. The bench is ancient considering the players that actually get run in the playoffs.

The rebuild needs to come sooner rather than later because eventually the fall off is going to happen and then what? Let's piecemeal a team together without a year or two of preparation while our best player approaches his prime. Spurs presently constructed can't beat GS in a 7 game series.

Look, SA was very very close and a legit contender. There are so many things that can happen (Curry injury, Durant leaving, etc..) that you don't rush to blow up great teams.

[Ice009]

The way you stay in contention is you start to rebuild when the time is right and the time is right. Just because we won 67 games means absolutely nothing once the playoffs begin if we can't get over the major hurdles of beating teams that always give us problems. Duncan has two bad knees now and is 40, Manu is ancient and can't be our 6th man running the bench. Parker looks like a shell.. The bench is ancient considering the players that actually get run in the playoffs.

The rebuild needs to come sooner rather than later because eventually the fall off is going to happen and then what? Let's piecemeal a team together without a year or two of preparation while our best player approaches his prime. Spurs presently constructed can't beat GS in a 7 game series.

1. We don't know if Tim's knee injury is something he can rehab during the off-season, so don't go saying that he has two bad knees without knowing the extent of his injury and the condition of that knee. I'm pretty sure it was just an injury to his good knee and not chronic degeneration that's going to get worse. He was playing very good up until he hurt that knee. If we had that Tim Duncan in the playoffs, I think we would have beaten OKC. I really don't think age had anything to do with his decline in the second half of the season. It was pretty much that knee injury IMO. He got plenty of rest during the season. I don't think it was age or decline. It was mostly the knee injury IMO, but I guess we will see.

2. I disagree about a rebuild. If you can't make any big moves like getting KD or someone like that, then you can sure as fuck tweak a team that won 67 games the year before and have another shot at it. Of course, it all depends on Tim's knees and if he comes back or not, but if he's good to go, then you should be taking a look at shoring up the weaknesses on the team rather than trying to rebuild it. Plenty of time for rebuilding later.

[Sean Cagney]

You guys are crazy, West is way better than a minimum salary player. He's easily worth $5 million+. Just because he gave the Spurs an unreal bargain last summer doesn't mean he should be stuck there at minimum. Don't get me wrong, I was hoping he'd stay on the deal he had so the Spurs would have more cap space, but he has earned another contract after a strong year.

5 mill I let him walk tbh.

[TheDoctor]

Ideally though why try to contend if it's not with pieces that will be there long term. I'd rather tell him kick rocks, bring in a rookie and let him get experience.. Cheap rookie deal plus experience and maybe suck enough to get a good draft pick. Cap space plus potential 15-20 pick and a core to build around. Why prolong the inevitable rebuild by retreading old fogies?

:pop: - We don't need no rookie. We got Kyle Anderson, and NASA, and habitable planets. You coaching now?

[Clipper Nation]

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:lmao

[therealtruth]

I wouldn't mind seeing him back with the team, but not for more money, and only if Pop plays him right.

That won't happen. Pop can't help himself. He's got to put out bad lineups.

[Sean Cagney]

That won't happen. Pop can't help himself. He's got to put out bad lineups.
Pop falls in love with certain players and overplays them even in a series when it is clear it is not working, it's like he wants to be right so bad he just can't help it and rides it until it's too late.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

There was literally 0 incentive for him not to opt out. Him opting out doesn't say anything.

[cd021]

Hmm. Only way he could have opted in would have been if the Spurs were sure they'd have no financial flexibility to give him more with him being okay with that. So this is hardly informative. It's better than no news, though. People can stop using his cap space in their salary projections.

Couldn't the Spurs offer him the room exception after they are done spending this summer.

[SAGirl]

There was literally 0 incentive for him not to opt out. Him opting out doesn't say anything.
I just hope him and Boban are not our big FA signings of the summer.
I don't hate Dwest but he's really a PF. Him at C does him no favors and we have way too many PF, with LMA at that position, Diaw likely kept, Anderson plays minutes in Small Ball, and we have Bertans incoming for sure, and maybe Cady if he makes the team who could theoretically be PF/C. Way too many needs at the guard spots and a real center if Timmy retires to resign Dwest and he can't expect a guaranteed role if he resigns in which case, why pay him?

I truly believe he is gone. Its probably the reason Diaw is so confident he will stay with the team too. He will mentor all these young PF we have incoming, which is just as well.

[Chinook]

Couldn't the Spurs offer him the room exception after they are done spending this summer.

Totes.

[TheGoldStandard]

I just hope him and Boban are not our big FA signings of the summer.
I don't hate Dwest but he's really a PF. Him at C does him no favors and we have way too many PF, with LMA at that position, Diaw likely kept, Anderson plays minutes in Small Ball, and we have Bertans incoming for sure, and maybe Cady if he makes the team who could theoretically be PF/C. Way too many needs at the guard spots and a real center if Timmy retires to resign Dwest and he can't expect a guaranteed role if he resigns in which case, why pay him?

I truly believe he is gone. Its probably the reason Diaw is so confident he will stay with the team too. He will mentor all these young PF we have incoming, which is just as well.

:pop: West will be our new backup 3 and 4. I got the idea from Bud with Milsap

[SAGirl]

:pop: West will be our new backup 3 and 4. I got the idea from Bud with Milsap
:lol:toast

[therealtruth]

I just hope him and Boban are not our big FA signings of the summer.
I don't hate Dwest but he's really a PF. Him at C does him no favors and we have way too many PF, with LMA at that position, Diaw likely kept, Anderson plays minutes in Small Ball, and we have Bertans incoming for sure, and maybe Cady if he makes the team who could theoretically be PF/C. Way too many needs at the guard spots and a real center if Timmy retires to resign Dwest and he can't expect a guaranteed role if he resigns in which case, why pay him?

I truly believe he is gone. Its probably the reason Diaw is so confident he will stay with the team too. He will mentor all these young PF we have incoming, which is just as well.

I don't get Pop. Playing Diaw could have been the difference in winning in '13 and certainly made a difference in '14, yet he inexplicably glues him to bench at times. He's like a Draymond Green in that his versatility allows the team to play different ways and cause matchup problems.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

If your a power forward who can't rebound or play perimeter defense, you're useless in today's NBA. So I've heard

[TheGoldStandard]

If your a power forward who can't rebound or play perimeter defense, you're useless in today's NBA. So I've heard

:pop: Sounds like someone who's gotten over themselves.

[tbdog]

^ lol

[Chinook]

I don't get Pop. Playing Diaw could have been the difference in winning in '13 and certainly made a difference in '14, yet he inexplicably glues him to bench at times. He's like a Draymond Green in that his versatility allows the team to play different ways and cause matchup problems.

It's not that hard to get. Diaw wasn't 14 Diaw the year before. If he were in that form the whole time, the Spurs probably threepeat all over Miami in 2012-2014. But then again, he wouldn't be a Spur if he had done that.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't get Pop. Playing Diaw could have been the difference in winning in '13 and certainly made a difference in '14, yet he inexplicably glues him to bench at times. He's like a Draymond Green in that his versatility allows the team to play different ways and cause matchup problems.

There were game where he was playing 20 minutes & grabbing ONE rebound! He was getting steam rolled by Adams/Kanter on boxouts that's why he didn't playing against OKC although he should have started & matched up w/ Ibaka since he doesn't crash the boards.

[tholdren]

PATFO better be on the phone with Joakim Noah or Matt Barnes, bc we just lost the toughest player on the team
He played like a bitch all year. Dude lost his "toughness" 5 years ago when he stopped cleaning the glass and started shooting the elbow j. Good riddance.

[tholdren]

I'll take him as the 5th bigman.
5th big in the regular season, 30mpg in the playoffs. Pop lives for playing underperforming washed up never-has-beens in the playoffs. Cant trust those 1-3 year players.

[TheGoldStandard]

5th big in the regular season, 30mpg in the playoffs. Pop lives for playing underperforming washed up never-has-beens in the playoffs. Cant trust those 1-3 year players.

:pop: You can't teach experience.. uh.. it's just basketball

[therealtruth]

He played like a bitch all year. Dude lost his "toughness" 5 years ago when he stopped cleaning the glass and started shooting the elbow j. Good riddance.

He used to kill the Spurs with the jumpshot with the Hornets. Forced Horry into retirement.

[therealtruth]

There were game where he was playing 20 minutes & grabbing ONE rebound! He was getting steam rolled by Adams/Kanter on boxouts that's why he didn't playing against OKC although he should have started & matched up w/ Ibaka since he doesn't crash the boards.

Then you play him with someone that crashes the boards. The reason Diaw is a difference maker is his playmaking and defensive versatility. You use him as a secondary playmaker to keep the defense honest when the defense concentrates on your main guys. The same way the Warriors use Green.

[tholdren]

He used to kill the Spurs with the jumpshot with the Hornets. Forced Horry into retirement.
get out of here. david west us terrible, he blows in the playoffs. useless

[Ice009]

Then you play him with someone that crashes the boards. The reason Diaw is a difference maker is his playmaking and defensive versatility. You use him as a secondary playmaker to keep the defense honest when the defense concentrates on your main guys. The same way the Warriors use Green.

Diaw needs to get in much better physical shape. I was happy with his conditioning in 2014, but haven't been happy since. All of 2015 I was asking if anyone knew his weight difference because at no point during that season did it look like he was at his 2014 weight. If he doesn't want to get in shape, then I don't want him on the team anymore. If he does get in shape (and stays in shape), then he becomes one of my favorite players.

If he just doesn't want it anymore or have the desire to compete, then he needs to move on.

[Kawhitstorm]

Then you play him with someone that crashes the boards. The reason Diaw is a difference maker is his playmaking and defensive versatility. You use him as a secondary playmaker to keep the defense honest when the defense concentrates on your main guys. The same way the Warriors use Green.

:pop::"Turd Towers led us to 67 wins, why should I change my rotation?"

[palangi]

Diaw needs to get in much better physical shape. I was happy with his conditioning in 2014, but haven't been happy since. All of 2015 I was asking if anyone knew his weight difference because at no point during that season did it look like he was at his 2014 weight. If he doesn't want to get in shape, then I don't want him on the team anymore. If he does get in shape (and stays in shape), then he becomes one of my favorite players.

If he just doesn't want it anymore or have the desire to compete, then he needs to move on.
Why not just let Diaw go and let Anderson take over that role? Seems like a much better replacement. He is younger, more athletic and cheaper.

[palangi]

Because Anderson isn't really good
He'd be just fine in the Diaw role.

[palangi]

:lmao
I'm sorry you are simple minded person.

seriously though try being and adult and express your opinion with words. Tell us why you are laughing? What did Boris do that Anderson can't?

[dabom]

:lmao

[palangi]

dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543)

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[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao

[palangi]

Look at the little princess show up. Of course she has nothing constructive to say either. Move along littleyacht.

[palangi]

:bobo
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