Lebron is by far the best player in the league.

[midnightpulp]

No one really comes close. He affects EVERY facet of the game and doesn't just stand around 30 feet out and chuck 3s. He's nearly averaging a trip-dub for the series on well over 50% shooting while also scoring 31ppg :wow

And he really only has one legitimate running mate in Kyrie. :lol Kevin Love.

Kang :king

[Obstructed_View]

Still puts up monster numbers even with five guys keying on him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Peak-wise, yes..he was probably 5th or 6th during the RS, though, tbh..

His performance in the playoffs has been unreal considering the mileage on his body..he has more mileage during 1 stretch than anybody in league history..

[spursistan]

he really does embody everything in the concept of "MVP"..

Curry getting a unanimous award of that kind is quite a lame joke :lol..Cavs seriously don't make the playoffs in the East without Lebron..

[DAF86]

If there's a flying spaghetti monster up there. Lebron should win these finals and Messi CA, tbh.

[keeferob25]

No one really comes close. He affects EVERY facet of the game and doesn't just stand around 30 feet out and chuck 3s. He's nearly averaging a trip-dub for the series on well over 50% shooting while also scoring 31ppg :wow

And he really only has one legitimate running mate in Kyrie. :lol Kevin Love.

Kang :king

Tristan Thompson is completely owning the paint on the boards and his defense has been spectacular. He's doing exactly what Rodman did for CHI. He's got two legit running mates out there.

[Clipper Nation]

It's sad that this has to be pointed out to people over and over again, because fans these days are retards who just want to see iso-hero chucking from DK wannabes.

:lol Today's NBA fans

[Arcadian]

This is true. Not really controversial.

[HarlemHeat37]

Thompson is legit vs. GS, tbh..he owns the Warriors and Hawks, sucks against everybody else:lol

[Thread]

It's sad that this has to be pointed out to people over and over again, because fans these days are retards who just want to see iso-hero chucking from DK wannabes.

:lol Today's NBA fans

If it hadn't been for Amy Duncan he'd only have the 1.

[TampaDude]

LeBron is already FMVP, no matter what happens in Game 7.

[LkrFan]

Chef is playing at about 60% at best.

Oh, and as long as Jim didn't rang :)

[midnightpulp]

Peak-wise, yes..he was probably 5th or 6th during the RS, though, tbh..

Smart. He was doing the Duncan-thing of coasting during the regular season and turning it on during the playoffs, which is the real season obviously.

It's even more amazing when you consider his supporting cast. Kyrie is nice, but he has career losers like Tristan Thompson, JR Smith, Dick FUCKING Jefferson, Iman Shumpert, and Mo Williams (again :lol) one game away from the NBA title. And :lmao Love. Meanwhile, almost all of Golden State's key rotation players are at their basketball peak.

[Kobulingam]

We know he's the best.
But he has the tools to be much better sometimes. The press ripping him after Game4 helped click his brain into the right mode. BUT it would be nice if he could do that himself.

[Arcadian]

LeBron is already FMVP, no matter what happens in Game 7.

Also true. If they lose, he should be the first player since Jerry West to win FMVP on the losing team.

[midnightpulp]

Tristan Thompson is completely owning the paint on the boards and his defense has been spectacular. He's doing exactly what Rodman did for CHI. He's got two legit running mates out there.

Everyone owns the boards against Golden State, though.

[LkrFan]

It's sad that this has to be pointed out to people over and over again, because fans these days are retards who just want to see iso-hero chucking from DK wannabes.

:lol Today's NBA fans
You got a double monitor or something? Responding to your own thread. :lmao

For those of you who don't know, midnightpulp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5430) is also Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500)! :lmao

[webshad]

LeBron is already FMVP, no matter what happens in Game 7.

Like he was like last year, to be frank.

Almost averaged a triple double with a depleted Cavalier team.

[midnightpulp]

Chef is playing at about 60% at best.

Oh, and as long as Jim didn't rang :)

Only pussies and assholes blame injuries. Steph is healthy enough to play, therefore he is healthy.

[whitemamba]

These last 2 games are the best I have ever seen Lebron play , he just went ape shit. His defense is always good but , it's pretty easy to be good if your 6"8 - 260 and athletic AF

[HarlemHeat37]

The most impressive part of his performance has been his defense, doesn't even make sense at his age with his mileage to be playing 2-way basketball at that level, tbh..

[DPG21920]

Peak-wise, yes..he was probably 5th or 6th during the RS, though, tbh..

His performance in the playoffs has been unreal considering the mileage on his body..he has more mileage during 1 stretch than anybody in league history..

Everyone who knows ball knows Bron "coasts" to the number 1 seed in the regular season. When the real game is played, he's so far ahead of Curry still.

[DPG21920]

Chef is playing at about 60% at best.

Oh, and as long as Jim didn't rang :)

Curry was MVP last year. He was healthy last year. He still was no where close to the level Bron has ever been in the playoffs .

[midnightpulp]

I mean, Lebron has a team with Richard Jefferson playing 30 min per game one game away from beating the "greatest team of all-time."

Richard Jefferson was a guaranteed run for the other team on every other team he's ever been on :lol

[K...]

Eh,, yes when he tries,, when the ac is properly running, when kawhi isn't playing him, when delonte isn't with his mom, when the league isn't hgh testing

[HI-FI]

It will be a travesty if they give Finals MVP to anyone else.

[HarlemHeat37]

Everyone who knows ball knows Bron "coasts" to the number 1 seed in the regular season. When the real game is played, he's so far ahead of Curry still.

Ya..I said that earlier in Kawhi vs. Lebron threads..

It's tough to "rank" Lebron nowadays, since he coasts during the RS..he no longer gives any effort on D during the RS..

At his peak, though, he's obviously still the best, overall..

[whitemamba]

The most impressive part of his performance has been his defense, doesn't even make sense at his age with his mileage to be playing 2-way basketball at that level, tbh..

He can thank god for that. His athleticism is like nothing I've seen with his size.

[Arcadian]

I mean, Lebron has a team with Richard Jefferson playing 30 min per game one game away from beating the "greatest team of all-time."

Richard Jefferson was a guaranteed run for the other team on every other team he's ever been on :lol

:lol He looked done as a 2010 Spur, yet somehow is now a rotation guy on a 2016 title team (or runner up)...

[webshad]

I mean, Lebron has a team with Richard Jefferson playing 30 min per game one game away from beating the "greatest team of all-time."

Richard Jefferson was a guaranteed run for the other team on every other team he's ever been on :lol

I was more impressed with his performance last year, this year he has more support.

I'm pulling for LBJ, go for it King!

[HI-FI]

Chef is playing at about 60% at best.

Oh, and as long as Jim didn't rang :)
You ever seen rapist carry teams this far like TD and Lebron? Give you a hint, it hasn't happened.

[Splits]

I mean, Lebron has a team with Richard Jefferson playing 30 min per game one game away from beating the "greatest team of all-time."

Richard Jefferson was a guaranteed run for the other team on every other team he's ever been on :lol

:lol and Kevin "max" Love playing 12 minutes

[Clipper Nation]

Chef is playing at about 60% at best.

Curry must have some rare disease that only plagues him when the Warriors lose, since we never hear that :cry "he's playing at 60%" :cry when they win and/or his padded stats look nice.

Face it, Miguel: Curry is just another player in the postseason. He might get lucky in Game 7, but he's way overrated. Unanimous MVP my ass.

[Arcadian]

And :lol possibly winning a championship with Tyrone Lue as your head coach... This just proves that coaching is overrated. Any coach can look like a genius if he has the best player on earth (looking at you, Pop from 1999-2007).

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol imagine LeBron choking in GM 7.

[ElNono]

His GM decision of changing coaches doesn't look bad at all right now either, tbh...

[Kikoluna]

Agree 100%. Leonard, westbrook, durant, follow.. curry not even top 5. He is a shooter. Only.

[Spurs da champs]

That look he gave Curry after blocking his shot really says it all, tbh.

[lefty]

It's sad that this has to be pointed out to people over and over again, because fans these days are retards who just want to see iso-hero chucking from DK wannabes.

:lol Today's NBA fans
Tbh Lebron is a 80s 90s type of player


So



In your face

[lefty]

That look he gave Curry after blocking his shot really says it all, tbh.

Very 80s-90sesque tbh

[AlexJones]

743668045160153088
staggering.

[Clipper Nation]

Tbh Lebron is a 80s 90s type of player

LeBron's actually watchable. Kevin Love is an '80s/'90s type of player.

[Ball Buster]

Fantastic player. I just think it's weird that his toes don't touch the ground when he walks barefoot. There's a mass overgrowth of tissue at the bottom of his feet. I mean... other players don't have that. Probably just genetics.

[spursistan]

743654427999887360

Should get FMVP.. WIN OR LOSE

[lefty]

LeBron's actually watchable. Kevin Love is an '80s/'90s type of player.

Love is a today's NBA player

Soft "big man" who is a afraid of contact and stays behind the 3 pt line :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Love is a today's NBA player

Soft "big man" who is a afraid of contact and stays behind the 3 pt line :lol

Love is yesterday's NBA player.

Big white stiff who does nothing but take up space and minutes on the court. New-age Jim McIlvaine :lol

[DPG21920]

Lebron is MVP win or lose GM7.

[Keepin' it real]

Lebron ... best player in the league

Lol ... Lebron doing his best George McFly. Going from unloved and unrespected to "Hey George, you ever think of running for class president?"

[Ashy Larry]

Can't hate on the King. Hopefully he closes the deal so I can watch the Bay Area meltdown.

[Kawhitstorm]

743668045160153088
staggering.

He was stat padding in 2014 as the last 3 games were essentially over by the end of the 3rd quarter & Kawhi also gave him the business on the other end.

[resistanze]

Can't hate on the King. Hopefully he closes the deal so I can watch the Bay Area meltdown.

[spursistan]

And :lol possibly winning a championship with Tyrone Lue as your head coach... This just proves that coaching is overrated. Any coach can look like a genius if he has the best player on earth (looking at you, Pop from 1999-2007).
tbh

[AlexJones]

NBA coaches have by far the least amount of impact on their team in the 4 major sports.

1. NFL


2. NHL

3. MLB
4. NBA

[FkLA]

LeGOAT doing LeGOAT things tbh.

[spurraider21]

Thompson is legit vs. GS, tbh..he owns the Warriors and Hawks, sucks against everybody else:lol
uncanny

like hibbert vs the heatles

[pookenstein]

If it hadn't been for Amy Duncan he'd only have the 1.

When was the last time anybody took that bait?

[Thread]

When was the last time anybody took that bait?

Just checkin' assholes.

[LkrFan]

Curry must have some rare disease that only plagues him when the Warriors lose, since we never hear that :cry "he's playing at 60%" :cry when they win and/or his padded stats look nice.

Face it, Miguel: Curry is just another player in the postseason. He might get lucky in Game 7, but he's way overrated. Unanimous MVP my ass.

:lol

[AlexJones]

Just checkin' assholes.
You shunned the Cavs after they went down 2-0. Time to retire, Cubby.

[Thread]

You shunned the Cavs after they went down 2-0. Time to retire, Cubby.

Ain't nothing changed.

[AlexJones]

Ain't nothing changed.
They're not that big of an underdog at Oracle

[99 Problems]

It's a pleasure watching Bron.

P.s you really get an appreciation of just how good Kiwi is on D when you see Bron beasting on the entire GSW defence.

[Thread]

It's a pleasure watching Bron.

P.s you really get an appreciation of just how good Kiwi is on D when you see Bron beasting on the entire GSW defence.

Just thank Christ he ain't beasting on you.

[Neurosis]

In the playoffs, yeah.

Imo if he gets to at least 4 rings - he's 2nd-best all time after Jordan.

[Tully365]

There's so much chatter about LeBron being FMVP that I'd be kinda shocked if he doesn't win it, regardless of game 7. Curry would have to score 55-60
in a win to convince me otherwise.

[K...]

It's gonna be just like Kobes last game.

[poeticism707]

No one really comes close. He affects EVERY facet of the game and doesn't just stand around 30 feet out and chuck 3s. He's nearly averaging a trip-dub for the series on well over 50% shooting while also scoring 31ppg :wow

And he really only has one legitimate running mate in Kyrie. :lol Kevin Love.

Kang :king

True.

Lebron is great, great player dog,

whether the Cavs win or lose this series...

He is already top 10 all time even with his shitty finals record,

because of total basketball accomplishments, resume,

versatile game, on top of all that,

if he steals one more in GS,

WITH THE FUCKING BUMS HE HAS OUTSIDE OF KI,

he'll have 3 rings and 3 fmvps, at 31.

With his crazy resume,

he only needs 4 titles and fmvps to be top 5 all time.

Great, great player...

[AlexJones]

He's easily ending up with 3. I think he get it either this Sunday or 2017. He'll then probably leave for Miami and build another superteam and get #4.

[TampaDude]

743654427999887360

:worthy:

[unleashbaynes]

743654427999887360

Should get FMVP.. WIN OR LOSE

Wow, when i see this i appreciate it more. We're watching greatness unfold....just enjoy the show tbh....

[Thread]

Lebron is great, great player dog,

whether the Cavs win or lose this series...

Ain't that cozy.

[Thread]

It's gonna be just like Kobes last game.

They were selling your shit.

[florige]

:lol imagine LeBron choking in GM 7.


All the pressure is really on GS. They are the defending champs, were supposed to dispose of any team easily, (outside of the Spurs according to the media) has the best record in NBA history, home court, and the reigning MVP. No pressure is really on LBJ and the Cavs. If Billy Donavan didn't allow the Thunder to go into protect mode with 4 minutes to go only up 7 points we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Thread]

All the pressure is really on GS. They are the defending champs, were supposed to dispose of any team easily, (outside of the Spurs according to the media) has the best record in NBA history, home court, and the reigning MVP. No pressure is really on LBJ and the Cavs. If Billy Donavan didn't allow the Thunder to go into protect mode with 4 minutes to go only up 7 points we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

You could be where State is right now. Instead you're shinin' shoes with old Cubby.

You look like a million bucks, though.

[cjw]

:lol He looked done as a 2010 Spur, yet somehow is now a rotation guy on a 2016 title team (or runner up)...

Done on a team that lost to an 8 seed (albeit a very good one, and after Manu got hurt) while starting for a team that went to Game 7 against the highest regular season win team of all time in the finals. Unreal.

[HarlemHeat37]

Done on a team that lost to an 8 seed (albeit a very good one, and after Manu got hurt) while starting for a team that went to Game 7 against the highest regular season win team of all time in the finals. Unreal.

Have to respect his grind, tbh..he became a joke after his Spurs' and Warriors' stints, but it's very impressive that he got on the Vince Carter plan at age 35..

[Clipper Nation]

Done on a team that lost to an 8 seed (albeit a very good one, and after Manu got hurt) while starting for a team that went to Game 7 against the highest regular season win team of all time in the finals. Unreal.
:pop: "He finally got over himself."

[Spurtacular]

Peak-wise, yes..he was probably 5th or 6th during the RS, though, tbh..

His performance in the playoffs has been unreal considering the mileage on his body..he has more mileage during 1 stretch than anybody in league history..

Lebron has been the best in recent days because his shot has started to fall more. RS Bron that was second to last in threes (only ahead of TOSB Kobe) was not the best.

[Spurtacular]

Have to respect his grind, tbh..he became a joke after his Spurs' and Warriors' stints, but it's very impressive that he got on the Vince Carter plan at age 35..

Who got on the VC plan at 35? And what is the VC plan?

[Spurtacular]

In the playoffs, yeah.

Imo if he gets to at least 4 rings - he's 2nd-best all time after Jordan.

He'll never pass Bird or Jordan for me. His shot is too much sh**. I'd have him ahead of Magic and Kobe though and somewhere on the Shaq level.

[Thebesteva]

No one really comes close. He affects EVERY facet of the game and doesn't just stand around 30 feet out and chuck 3s. He's nearly averaging a trip-dub for the series on well over 50% shooting while also scoring 31ppg :wow

And he really only has one legitimate running mate in Kyrie. :lol Kevin Love.

Kang :king

He is the best player in the game but that really is more of a statement of how much shit todays league is tbh...

[313]

Ain't that cozy.
Check those assholes, Dale. These so called Spur fans are sorry.

[KimmyGib]

743654427999887360

Should get FMVP.. WIN OR LOSE

Wow! Lebron playing like me...






as Scottie Pippin...







in NBA Jam.

[Arcadian]

:lol Nobody disagreed...we should give Lebron an award for "unanimous best player according to spurstalk.com" to go in his trophy case. Not an easy award to win at all.

[ezau]

He'll never pass Bird or Jordan for me. His shot is too much sh**. I'd have him ahead of Magic and Kobe though and somewhere on the Shaq level.

As great as Bird was, Lebron and even Kobe are already ahead of him in the all-time record books. Bird is by far the greatest white American player to play the game, but he's not top five all time.

[Ice009]

Tony Parker (2012-2013 version) and Lebron James in their primes are, in a sense, similar players. What I mean by that is - when their jump shots are/were on, they are virtually unstoppable. It's all about the jumper for Lebron. When that is on, he just cannot be stopped and it opens up his game to insane levels. If both of these guys were consistently good shooters throughout their careers, they would have been totally unstoppable.

[dbreiden83080]

But he needs more championships. This is a defining moment, maybe the defining moment in his career.

[z0sa]

I agree with the comments highlighting his two way domination. He definitely deserves FMVP win or lose. But a consolation prize will always be just that.

[Killakobe81]

He'll never pass Bird or Jordan for me. His shot is too much sh**. I'd have him ahead of Magic and Kobe though and somewhere on the Shaq level.

Lol at pretty much this whole post except maybe the Jordan and Kobe part ...

[Killakobe81]

As great as Bird was, Lebron and even Kobe are already ahead of him in the all-time record books. Bird is by far the greatest white American player to play the game, but he's not top five all time.

He is great top 10 ... but top 5 is to high ...mj,shaq, lebron, kobe, magic duncan all have a case over Larry ...
but he is not far off.his peak was amazing though.

[ambchang]

As great as Bird was, Lebron and even Kobe are already ahead of him in the all-time record books. Bird is by far the greatest white American player to play the game, but he's not top five all time.

Birds peak was as high as shaq, Jordan, and Lebron. He was dominating the league in a way that there was t anyone who could even approach him as the best player in the league. And he peaked during magics prime, jabbars end of prime, , Isaiah's prime, Moses end, moncriefs prime , and Jordan's youth. Lebron doesn't even have anyone approaching that level of competition and Lebron didn't overwhelmingly dominated like bird did.

The only thing that beat him was his back.

[whitemamba]

Has anyone seen Lebrons post game?

[lefty]

Bird shits on Lebron

[ezau]

Birds peak was as high as shaq, Jordan, and Lebron. He was dominating the league in a way that there was t anyone who could even approach him as the best player in the league. And he peaked during magics prime, jabbars end of prime, , Isaiah's prime, Moses end, moncriefs prime , and Jordan's youth. Lebron doesn't even have anyone approaching that level of competition and Lebron didn't overwhelmingly dominated like bird did.

The only thing that beat him was his back.

Lemme check Lebron's resume:

1. Beat the greatest regular season team in NBA history
2. Beat the NBA's first unanimous MVP
3. Led a team to overcome a 1-3 Finals deficit
4. Beat the greatest power forward in history in 2013

Nothing against Bird, but I would pick Lebron over him 8 times in a week, twice on a Sunday.

[Thread]

Lemme check Lebron's resume:

1. Beat the greatest regular season team in NBA history
2. Beat the NBA's first unanimous MVP
3. Led a team to overcome a 1-3 Finals deficit
4. Beat the greatest power forward in history in 2013

Nothing against Bird, but I would pick Lebron over him 8 times in a week, twice on a Sunday.

Though without Amy Duncan he'd only have the 2.

[ezau]

He is great top 10 ... but top 5 is to high ...mj,shaq, lebron, kobe, magic duncan all have a case over Larry ...
but he is not far off.his peak was amazing though.

I don't see any other SF who is better than Lebron legacy-wise. I wouldn't put him over Magic yet, but Lebron has already passed Bird after winning his third.

[ezau]

Though without Amy Duncan he'd only have the 2.

Sup Cub! Good to see you. Which team did you root for by the way?

[ezau]

Though without Amy Duncan he'd only have the 2.

To be fair, GSW might just topped the Spurs as far as Finals choking is concerned. :lol

[Thread]

Sup Cub! Good to see you. Which team did you root for by the way?

State.

[ezau]

State.

:lol

[ambchang]

Lemme check Lebron's resume:

1. Beat the greatest regular season team in NBA history
2. Beat the NBA's first unanimous MVP
3. Led a team to overcome a 1-3 Finals deficit
4. Beat the greatest power forward in history in 2013

Nothing against Bird, but I would pick Lebron over him 8 times in a week, twice on a Sunday.

1 to 3 is about how overrated GSW was (and still is).
4 is when Duncan is way over is prime. And also, would that make Zach Randolph greater than bird? You act like anybody who beat Duncan is top five material.
Overall, none of your four arguments speak to why Lebron > bird.

Finally. You just dropped two of the three points you made regarding bird you originally posted.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron is the goat sf now case closed.
He still has a very slight shot at overall Goat ...

[140]

Holy shit, kirby being better than Bird ...now I've heard it all :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

LeBron is by far the best player EVER, tbh.

[ezau]

1 to 3 is about how overrated GSW was (and still is).
4 is when Duncan is way over is prime. And also, would that make Zach Randolph greater than bird? You act like anybody who beat Duncan is top five material.
Overall, none of your four arguments speak to why Lebron > bird.

Finally. You just dropped two of the three points you made regarding bird you originally posted.

Calling one team 'overrated' is subjective. Points 1-3 are cold-hard facts and Lebron just trumped them. Lebron is the only player to ever beat Duncan and Pop in the Finals.

[ambchang]

Calling one team 'overrated' is subjective. Points 1-3 are cold-hard facts and Lebron just trumped them. Lebron is the only player to ever beat Duncan and Pop in the Finals.

Point 1 is subjective. You can call the GSW the winningest, but whether they are the greatest remains to be discussed.

And Mike Miller, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier and a whole bunch of other players beat Duncan and Pop in the Finals, so that point is off.

Finally, you still haven't addressed how Bird < Kobe, or how Bird is not top 5 all time.

[ezau]

Point 1 is subjective. You can call the GSW the winningest, but whether they are the greatest remains to be discussed.

And Mike Miller, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier and a whole bunch of other players beat Duncan and Pop in the Finals, so that point is off.

Finally, you still haven't addressed how Bird < Kobe, or how Bird is not top 5 all time.

Point 1 is not even subjective at all. 73-9>72-10 as far as regular season goes. That's pretty basic arithmetic.
Lebron is the best player of the 2013 Heat while Duncan is the best guy for the 2013 Spurs. Also, Lebron's epic game 7 is the key to the Spurs' very first loss in the Finals.

You were prolly born in the 70s and watched a lot of overrated 'greats' like Bird while growing up, but the reality is Bird is nothing more than the greatest white American basketball player ever. He's stats are inferior to Lebron and God have a mercy on his poor soul if he played in today's NBA.

[Darth_Pelican]

Leading Everyone In Everything

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/1966.png&w=120&h=90&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=true
LeBron James is the first player in NBA history in any series of any length -- regardless of round -- to lead outright or tie for the lead among all players from both teams in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks for an entire series.
LeBron James in 2016 NBA Finals




FINALS RANK*


Points
208
1st


Rebounds
79
1st


Assists
62
1st


Steals
18
1st


Blocks
16
1st


*Among players from both teams
-- Elias Sports Bureau

[lefty]

Lebron shits on MJ+Bird+Magic+Kareem+Hakeem combined tbh ............

[ambchang]

Point 1 is not even subjective at all. 73-9>72-10 as far as regular season goes. That's pretty basic arithmetic.

Great != Winning number of games.

Level of competition matters.


Lebron is the best player of the 2013 Heat while Duncan is the best guy for the 2013 Spurs. Also, Lebron's epic game 7 is the key to the Spurs' very first loss in the Finals.

So was Allen's shot in Game 6.
Kawhi and Green performed great in 2013.


You were prolly born in the 70s and watched a lot of overrated 'greats' like Bird while growing up, but the reality is Bird is nothing more than the greatest white American basketball player ever. He's stats are inferior to Lebron and God have a mercy on his poor soul if he played in today's NBA.

Garnett's stats are comparable to Duncan, so are Malone's.

Still didn't talk about how Kobe > Bird and how Bird is not top 5 all time.

[ezau]

Great != Winning number of games.

Level of competition matters.

So what's your objective way of measuring 'level' of competition? Umm, 80s players are waaaay better than today's players because of their physicality and defense?




So was Allen's shot in Game 6.
Kawhi and Green performed great in 2013.

Allen was simply the right person to make that dagger three at the right moment. You know, the greatest shooter in the history of the game.



Garnett's stats are comparable to Duncan, so are Malone's.

Bird has as many rings as Lebron while playing in an even watered down era, yet his stats are waaaay too inferior. I get that you idolized that stiff white dude growing up, but stop embarrassing yourself by clouding your judgment. Bird is nothing more than today's Ryan Anderson with better court vision and passing. Sorry for ruining your childhood, but it is what it is.


Still didn't talk about how Kobe > Bird and how Bird is not top 5 all time.

Let's face it, Kobe with McHale and Parish would've raped the entire league in the late 70s and 80s. Conversely, pair the prime Kobe with prime Duncan and you're looking at 3 rings at least.

So how is Bird in a way better than Lebron? I often wonder why his Boston team only won three rings despite the level of competition during that time. He racked up rings when MJ was still young while benefiting immensely from stacked Boston teams.

[ambchang]

So what's your objective way of measuring 'level' of competition? Umm, 80s players are waaaay better than today's players because of their physicality and defense?

I can't, it's up for debate. What I can say is that they are the winningest regular season team in NBA history.




Allen was simply the right person to make that dagger three at the right moment. You know, the greatest shooter in the history of the game.

Point is, this isn't an individual sport. To include all team accomplishments to put someone as GOAT is misleading.


Bird has as many rings as Lebron while playing in an even watered down era, yet his stats are waaaay too inferior. I get that you idolized that stiff white dude growing up, but stop embarrassing yourself by clouding your judgment. Bird is nothing more than today's Ryan Anderson with better court vision and passing. Sorry for ruining your childhood, but it is what it is.

No argument given at all. The league had 24 teams back then, but little/no players outside of US. I can't say the league was more or less watered down.

Bird had a peak of 29.9ppg, 11 rpg, 7.6 apg, 2 stls and 1.2 blks. James was 31.4/8/8.6/2.2/1, not entirely sure how those stats are "waaaay too inferior". If you want to go advanced, Bird's Orating/drating was 115/101, James was 116/102.

Bird led the league in OWS once, DWS 4 times, total ws and ws/48 twice, and BPM 4 times.
James did it 4, 0, 5, and 8 times.

Like I said, Bird's peak was as high as any, his problem was his longevity, and that's the main reason Lebron > Bird.

To claim Bird is Ryan Anderson is just juvenile trolling, and it puts you in a worse spot in terms of argument.


Let's face it, Kobe with McHale and Parish would've raped the entire league in the late 70s and 80s. Conversely, pair the prime Kobe with prime Duncan and you're looking at 3 rings at least.

Jabbar dominated the 80s like he did in the 70s, and he played to a standstill with an old Wilt. Hakeem beat an old Jabbar but didn't dominate him, so it's reasonable to say Jabbar in his prime would be equal to or better than Hakeem in his prime in the 80s and 90s. Same logical goes to Hakeem/Shaq and there's nothing after Shaq.

Jordan didn't dominate the league until the 90s, and he was in his physical prime in the late 80s as well. TMac/Iverson/Carter/Kobe couldn't do squat against Jordan until he got to the Wizards, and Carter is still contributing to a playoff team in his late 30s.


So how is Bird in a way better than Lebron? I often wonder why his Boston team only won three rings despite the level of competition during that time. He racked up rings when MJ was still young while benefiting immensely from stacked Boston teams.

Did I say Bird is way better than Lebron? Do you even know what the argument is about? You said Lebron is clearly ahead of Bird, and so is Kobe. You also said Bird is not in the top 5 as some sort of factual statement, to which I do not agree. I think there are arguments that Bird doesn't make the top 5, but I also see arguments for though.

As for Kobe > Bird, that is just retarded.