Kawhi's showing that he's the only king slayer

[mywastedlife900]

No, Kawhi is not better then LeBron, but he's clearly the best defender in the league. Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green on the same team don't equal 1 Kawhi.

[TheGoldStandard]

Iggy looks pretty shook but Kawhi defends Lebron better than almost anyone else in the league. It also helps that James has to cover Kawhi defensively which makes him work on both ends.

[dabom]

Lebron needs to sub himself out for breathers. :lmao

[Chinook]

No Bogut helps, too. The best aspects of both Kawhi's and Green's man defense is that they knew how to work with Duncan (and Splitter earlier on) to stymie their man. When you have lesser players behind you, you just can't do the same things up front.

[mywastedlife900]

No Bogut helps, too. The best aspects of both Kawhi's and Green's man defense is that they knew how to work with Duncan (and Splitter earlier on) to stymie their man. When you have lesser players behind you, you just can't do the same things up front.

True enough...

[SpursFan86]

Iguodala did a pretty damn great job on LeBron in Games 1-4 (and last year as well). LeBron's jumper happened to come back though, and when he's hitting his jumpers, he's basically impossible to guard. Spurs guarded LeBron basically the same way all throughout the 2013 Finals, but in Games 6/7 he exploded because he started knocking down his jumpers.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lebron James 2013 stats:
25.3ppg, 10.9rpg, 7.0apg, 2.3spg, 44.7FG%, 35.3 3P%

Lebron James 2014 stats:
28.2ppg, 7.8rpg, 4.0apg, 2.0spg, 57.1FG%, 51.9 3P%

[dabom]

Lebron James 2013 stats:
25.3ppg, 10.9rpg, 7.0apg, 2.3spg, 44.7FG%, 35.3 3P%

Lebron James 2014 stats:
28.2ppg, 7.8rpg, 4.0apg, 2.0spg, 57.1FG%, 51.9 3P%

He also had as many assist as turnovers that 2014 series and I remember him only scoring after he was blown out. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs beat the Heat in 2014 because everyone else was contained. Not Lebron

[dabom]

Spurs beat the Heat in 2014 because everyone else was contained. Not Lebron

Spurs beat the heat because they had the best player on the planet.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs beat the heat because they had the best player on the planet.
The best player on the planet didn't even outscore Tony Parker in the Finals

[dabom]

The best player on the planet didn't even outscore Tony Parker in the Finals

Tony shamelessly stat padding when it was blown out already. 0-13 Early on. :lmao

[dabom]

Close out game and Tony showing his true colors. :lmao

Kawhi had to carry a shitbag back then too. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Tony shamelessly stat padding when it was blown out already. 0-13 Early on. :lmao
Didn't outscore Tony Parker and let Lebron go off :lmao

Pity FMVP award like the one Iggy got tbh

[dabom]

Didn't outscore Tony Parker and let Lebron go off :lmao

Pity FMVP award like the one Iggy got tbh

Kawhi actually out dueled Lebron. :lmao

Getting one against boobie. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Lebron James 2014 finals stats:
28.2ppg, 7.8rpg, 4.0apg, 2.0spg, 57.1FG%, 51.9 3P%

Kawhi Leonard 2014 finals stats:
17.8ppg, 6.4rpg, 2.0apg, 1.6spg, 61.2FG%, 57.9 3P%

"duel" :lmao

[dabom]

Lebron James 2014 finals stats:
28.2ppg, 7.8rpg, 4.0apg, 2.0spg, 57.1FG%, 51.9 3P%

Kawhi Leonard 2014 finals stats:
17.8ppg, 6.4rpg, 2.0apg, 1.6spg, 61.2FG%, 57.9 3P%

"duel" :lmao

He raped him 3 of the last 3 games at the biggest stage and shot like .70TS%. :lmao

[dabom]

He stat padded in blowouts and turn it over just as much as assists. :lmao

[K...]

And ancient history...........never has an fmvp been stretched so far. Not like that 2007 edition. That one is a shit award.

[Nathan89]

Draymond also making idiots out of everybody that thought he was better than Kawhi. Scared to shoot, can't dribble by bigs, can't score on RJ or Waiters, etc.

[Kawhitstorm]

No Bogut helps, too. The best aspects of both Kawhi's and Green's man defense is that they knew how to work with Duncan (and Splitter earlier on) to stymie their man. When you have lesser players behind you, you just can't do the same things up front.

Paul George made All-NBA Defense 2nd team over Kawhi & still got raped by LeBron even w/ the Roy "LeBron Stopper" Hibbert playing like a beast in that series: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2013-nba-eastern-conference-finals-pacers-vs-heat.html

[Kawhitstorm]

Lebron James 2014 finals stats:
28.2ppg, 7.8rpg, 4.0apg, 2.0spg, 57.1FG%, 51.9 3P%

Kawhi Leonard 2014 finals stats:
17.8ppg, 6.4rpg, 2.0apg, 1.6spg, 61.2FG%, 57.9 3P%

"duel" :lmao

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eRzh2f-OiD4/VBy_Ot6FJFI/AAAAAAAAAXo/GnJrPRgtMiM/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2014-09-19%2Bat%2B7.41.21%2BPM.png

[Kawhitstorm]

He also had as many assist as turnovers that 2014 series and I remember him only scoring after he was blown out. :lmao

Kawhi went to the Kang's palace & punched him in the mouth when the series was tied 1-1.

Peak LeBron held to 8 pts/7 TOs in the last 3 quarter of a Finals game: :lmao

k3GQzUDKMOU

Kawhi gave him that work on the other end:

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Meanwhile Barnes is shooting 2-22 & tail-end-of-prime Bron is dropping 40 on Iggy/Draymond.

[tmtcsc]

Kawhi's not showing anything at the moment. I haven't seen him since the Spurs were bounced in the second round. Hasn't been past the second round in 2 years.

[dabom]

Kawhi's not showing anything at the moment. I haven't seen him since the Spurs were bounced in the second round. Hasn't been past the second round in 2 years.

French faggot. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Didn't outscore Tony Parker and let Lebron go off :lmao

Kawhi led the team in BOTH points/rebounds along w/ 3 point shooting for the last three games when the series was a best out of 5. (Diaw had more assists than Porker::lol)

Better yet, he stepped it up against the "best player" in the league: Kawhi shot 65 percent when guarded by LeBron in the series.

Lebron only attempted :lolone shot:lol against Kawhi in the first quarter Gm 5 w/ his season on the line b/c he wasn’t always able to get his shot off or even get the ball:

Only 19 percent of LeBron's touches against Kawh resulted in field goal attempt. Against all other defenders, that rate jumped to 33 percent.


LeBron was held without a touch on 33 percent of the Heat's possessions when he was guarded by Kawhi. Against all other defenders, he was held without a touch 23 percent of the time.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TI8K4tRjMN0/U5p9p_SmxVI/AAAAAAAAj5A/tVLzXYTrJy4/s1600/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi's not showing anything at the moment. I haven't seen him since the Spurs were bounced in the second round. Hasn't been past the second round in 2 years.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/tony-parker-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-oklahoma-city-thunder

:wowPorker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore:wow
http://i.imgbox.com/hHooCE9u.gif

[Kawhitstorm]

Iguodala did a pretty damn great job on LeBron in Games 1-4 (and last year as well). LeBron's jumper happened to come back though, and when he's hitting his jumpers, he's basically impossible to guard. Spurs guarded LeBron basically the same way all throughout the 2013 Finals, but in Games 6/7 he exploded because he started knocking down his jumpers.

LeBron wasn't hitting jumpers in Gm 6, he drove to the rack in the 4th quarter after Spo put BOTH Miller/Ray Allen in the game. The lane got congisted after Wade checked in for Miller which was when he committed the two turnovers at the end of the 4th quarter. (Pop should have played Diaw & posted up Miller instead of playing a struggling Danny when Wade was out of the game)



3:48.0


84-87

D. Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) enters the game for M. Miller (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millemi01.html)


3:48.0
D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) enters the game for B. Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html)

84-87




3:33.0
T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 16 ft (block by D. Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html))

84-87




3:32.0


84-87

Defensive rebound by L. James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html)


3:18.0
Offensive charge foul by L. James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) (drawn by T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html))

84-87




3:18.0


84-87

Turnover by L. James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) (offensive foul)


3:02.0
T. Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 5 ft

84-87




3:01.0


84-87

Defensive rebound by D. Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html)


2:57.0


84-87

Miami full timeout


2:40.0


84-87

D. Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) misses 2-pt shot from 14 ft


2:39.0
Defensive rebound by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html)

84-87




2:31.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 2 ft
+2
86-87




2:09.0


86-87

Shooting foul by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html) (drawn by D. Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html))


2:09.0


86-88
+1
D. Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2


2:09.0


86-89
+1
D. Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2


1:53.0
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) misses 3-pt shot from 25 ft

86-89




1:51.0
Offensive rebound by D. Green (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html)

86-89




1:47.0
San Antonio 20 second timeout

86-89




1:27.0
T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) makes 3-pt shot from 26 ft
+3
89-89




1:07.0


89-89

Turnover by M. Chalmers (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chalmma01.html) (bad pass; steal by T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html))


0:58.0
T. Parker (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html) makes 2-pt shot from 12 ft
+2
91-89




0:58.0


91-89

Miami full timeout


0:39.9


91-89

Turnover by L. James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) (lost ball; steal by K. Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html))


0:37.2
Shooting foul by R. Allen (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html) (drawn by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html))

91-89




0:37.2
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) makes free throw 1 of 2
+1
92-89




0:37.2
M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html) makes free throw 2 of 2
+1
93-89




0:28.2


93-89

Turnover by L. James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) (bad pass; steal by M. Ginobili (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html))

[tmtcsc]

French faggot. :lmao

Parker needs to go. If Tim & Manu retire, the Spurs can make it an easier sell to blind Spurs fans who talk about family and loyalty. Its about winning. Its always been about winning.

I think KL got tired last year because he was asked to do too much. Score, Defend, Rebound, take the ball up the court, etc. He needs help and needs someone to get him the ball at the right times.

[Hoops Czar]

Draymond also making idiots out of everybody that thought he was better than Kawhi. Scared to shoot, can't dribble by bigs, can't score on RJ or Waiters, etc.

Klay's also making idiots out of everybody that thought Green was better than him. Unclutch :lol, stat padder :lol, playoff choker :lol, terrible defender :lol etc.

[SpursforSix]

Draymond also making idiots out of everybody that thought he was better than Kawhi. Scared to shoot, can't dribble by bigs, can't score on RJ or Waiters, etc.

plus the weird testicle fetish

[Hoops Czar]

Parker needs to go. If Tim & Manu retire, the Spurs can make it an easier sell to blind Spurs fans who talk about family and loyalty. Its about winning. Its always been about winning.

I think KL got tired last year because he was asked to do too much. Score, Defend, Rebound, take the ball up the court, etc. He needs help and needs someone to get him the ball at the right times.

Jokes on you. It's like you just started watching the Spurs yesterday. The Spurs ALWAYS turn a blind eye when it comes to family and loyalty (See: Matt Bonner). It's always been about family and loyalty. Unless Parker specifically asks or accepts a trade, he's not going anywhere. I don't know why this concept is so hard to understand.

[tmtcsc]

Jokes on you. It's like you just started watching the Spurs yesterday. The Spurs ALWAYS turn a blind eye when it comes to family and loyalty (See: Matt Bonner). It's always been about family and loyalty. Unless Parker specifically asks or accepts a trade, he's not going anywhere. I don't know why this concept is so hard to understand.

I've been watching a long, long time. I saw George Gervin and Sean Elliott get traded, Avery Johnson allowed to walk, Malik sent packing, Finley granted permission to leave, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry and Brent Barry not brought back, etc.. Matt Bonner has been bench fodder for years and kept around as a practice player. His name shouldn't even be part of the equation. Parker was allegedly almost sent packing in exchange for a top 10 draft pick in 2011. As I've stated before, the team rewarded / showed loyalty to Tony with a fat extension a couple of years ago. That doesn't mean they won't trade him away.

Who else have the Spurs held on to based on loyalty and family? Hell, they were ready to part ways with the Admiral if necessary and TP aint the Admiral.

[TheGreatYacht]

Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening

[look_at_g_shred]

If lebron had a choice as to who would be guarding him and it was between KL/Iggy ... He'd pick AI 7 days out of the week and twice on sunday tbh..

[Kawhitstorm]

Klay's also making idiots out of everybody that thought Green was better than him. Unclutch :lol, stat padder :lol, playoff choker :lol, terrible defender :lol etc.

He got his ass tore up by WestBrick & is now getting his ass tore up by Kyrie. Even Lillard clowned on him before Curry returned & shut shit down in Gm 6.

Kerr would rather have Iggy with bad back guard LeBron than that overrated bitch who was atrocious in the first half of Gm 6 & got outplayed by Barbosa.:lol

Holla at me when he guards guys his own size rather than 6'2" point guards.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening

Evita made up for 2013 Turnobili w/ his 2014 postseason performance, Enrique has yet to make up for his historically shitty 2015 postseason. He had a 3 year contract extension & the first year resulted in him sinking the shit in Gm 5.

Tony Parker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore:


On four consecutive possessions during the fourth quarter of the Spurs’ pivotal Game 5 game against the Thunder, MVP runner-up Kawhi Leonard did not touch the ball.

Starting at the four-minute mark of the final quarter, Leonard was absent from the offense, not taking a shot until a desperation 3 with two seconds remaining. At that point the game was already gone (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2016/05/11/thunder-spurs-defense-fourth-quarter-curse-nba-playoffs/84217578/).

For the final four minutes, it wasn’t Leonard, or even LaMarcus Aldridge, but veteran Spurs point guard Tony Parker who was running the offense. In that stretch Parker missed two pull-up jumpers, was fouled and missed one of his free throws, and on the other end the Thunder’s two-headed monster of Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant (with a little bit of help from the officials (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2016/05/11/spurs-thunder-game-5-ending-officiating-controversy-no-call/84217938/)) put away the game.

It was a terrible stretch for the Spurs, who didn’t force the issue by putting the ball in Leonard’s hands, instead allowing the more assertive Parker to take over.

And it partly cost them the game.


Evita meanwhile is the most underrated player of his era:

742538350473674754

[TheGoldStandard]

Evita made up for 2013 Turnobili w/ his 2014 postseason performance, Enrique has yet to make up for his historically shitty 2015 postseason. He had a 3 year contract extension & the first year resulted in him sinking the shit in Gm 5.

Tony Parker has to realize the Spurs aren't his team anymore:

:pop: When he was 19 he bought a home and furnished it..

[tmtcsc]

Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening

When exactly did Parker give the team more? Manu wasn't sent packing because he agreed to come back at a salary comparable with his role and court time. Plus, he has credit built up for when he was a bad-ass on the court and sacrificed his body for the team. TP sacrificed one sugar donut for another.

[Hoops Czar]

I've been watching a long, long time. I saw George Gervin and Sean Elliott get traded, Avery Johnson sent packing, Malik allowed to walk, Finley granted permission to leave, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry and Brent Barry not brought back, etc.. Matt Bonner has been bench fodder for years and kept around as a practice player. His name shouldn't even be part of the equation. Parker was allegedly almost sent packing in exchange for a top 10 draft pick in 2011. As I've stated before, the team rewarded / showed loyalty to Tony with a fat extension a couple of years ago. That doesn't mean they won't trade him away.

Who else have the Spurs held on to based on loyalty and family? Hell, they were ready to part ways with the Admiral if necessary and TP aint the Admiral.

Tony Parker isn't a bit player. He was a crucial piece for 3 of the 5 Spurs championships and he was a Spurs draft pick. Bowen, Horry and Finley retired, Barry played out one last season as an end of the bench scrub for Seattle, Avery and Malik wanted to leave, Sean and George were playing in a different era of Spurs basketball, etc. GM's around the league wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't at least make and take phone calls. All players get talked about in trade rumors at one time or another including Manu and Wade but 95% of them have no legs. Btw, Tony Parker was just entering his physical peak in 2011 at age 28 so it might have been more to do with the Spurs attempting to gauge Parker's value on the open market rather than trying to consummate an actual trade.

[TheGreatYacht]

When exactly did Parker give the team more? Manu wasn't sent packing because he agreed to come back at a salary comparable with his role and court time. Plus, he has credit built up for when he was a bad-ass on the court and sacrificed his body for the team. TP sacrificed one sugar donut for another.
Had better stats and played more minutes, Manure on the other hand had to play 20 minutes a game or else his hammy would start flaring up.

While Manure had plenty of inefficient seasons, Parker was always leading guards in FG%. Manure was earning 14,000,000 at Parker's age on a way smaller cap.

Parker > Manu

[Kawhitstorm]

Had better stats and played more minutes, Manure on the other hand had to play 20 minutes a game or else his hammy would start flaring up.

While Manure had plenty of inefficient seasons, Parker was always leading guards in FG%. Manure was earning 14,000,000 at Parker's age on a way smaller cap.

Parker > Manu

Manu is LESS minutes had MORE win-shares when they were both in their primes.:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu is LESS minutes had MORE win-shares when they were both in their primes.:lol
You gonna use TS% next? :lol

"Win shares" :lol

James Harden 2014: 12.8 WS
James Harden 2015: 16.4 WS
James Harden 2016: 13.3 WS

Kawhi Leonard 2014: 7.7 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2015: 8.6 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2016: 13.7 WS

:cry but, but, Kiwi is Top 3 :cry

[Kawhitstorm]

You gonna use TS% next? :lol

"Win shares" :lol

James Harden 2014: 12.8 WS
James Harden 2015: 16.4 WS
James Harden 2016: 13.3 WS

Kawhi Leonard 2014: 7.7 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2015: 8.6 WS
Kawhi Leonard 2016: 13.7 WS

:cry but, but, Kiwi is Top 3 :cry

Last I checked Harden finished 2nd in MVP & was voted the players' MVP last season.:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Last I checked Harden finished 2nd in MVP & was voted the player's MVP.:lol
Harden didn't even make All-NBA this season :lmao but Kiwi was 2nd in MVP voting

:cry det win share :cry

[Kawhitstorm]

Harden didn't even make All-NBA this season :lmao but Kiwi was 2nd in MVP voting

:cry det win share :cry

This season, Harden played WAY MORE minutes than Kawhi (3125 vs 2380) which impacts the win-share since it's cumulative.:lol

He still had more win-shares than HarDone ala Manu over Porker so the joke is one you::lmao

[tmtcsc]

Tony Parker isn't a bit player. He was a crucial piece for 3 of the 5 Spurs championships and he was a Spurs draft pick. Bowen, Horry and Finley retired, Barry played out one last season as an end of the bench scrub for Seattle, Avery and Malik wanted to leave, Sean and George were playing in a different era of Spurs basketball, etc. GM's around the league wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't at least make and take phone calls. All players get talked about in trade rumors at one time or another including Manu and Wade but 95% of them have no legs. Btw, Tony Parker was just entering his physical peak in 2011 at age 28 so it might have been more to do with the Spurs attempting to gauge Parker's value on the open market rather than trying to consummate an actual trade.

Finley went to Boston after his stint with the Spurs. Brent Barry went to Houston. Bowen retired because he wasn't welcomed back to the Spurs and Horry was pissed the Spurs would not re-sign him. The Spurs traded George Hill in 2011 for Kawhi Leonard, it wasn't a matter of determining TP's market value. And we both know you made up that shit about Avery and Malik not wanting to come back. Malik was traded to the Knicks for essentially Nazr Mohammed. Avery was 36 and no longer the player he once was. The Spurs didn't resign him when he became a FA. Where was the loyalty then? The city loved Avery and the organization even retired his number.

The Spurs don't give a shit about all that fan loyalty stuff. If a player can produce to expectations and accept their roles - they have a chance to stick around. If they can't OR the organization feels it can improve by moving the player - they will make it happen. People are caught up in believing a bunch of fantasy land shit regarding the team. The NBA is a hard-core business. Winning trumps everything.

[TheGreatYacht]

This season, Harden played WAY MORE minutes than Kawhi (3125 vs 2380) which impacts the win-share since it's cumulative.:lol

He still had more win-shares than HarDone ala Manu over Porker so the joke is one you::lmao
Harden literally blew Kiwi out of the water in every stat this season, yet Kiwi who was inferior and on a way better team and system got more hardware :lol

Harden-Kiwi debate is arguable.

Parker-Manure isn't, Parker has the better stats AND NBA hardware.

Compare Jamal Crawful and Manure instead, don't disrespect a Top 10 PG of all time :wakeup

[tmtcsc]

don't disrespect a Top 10 PG of all time :wakeup

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[tmtcsc]

Had better stats and played more minutes, Manure on the other hand had to play 20 minutes a game or else his hammy would start flaring up.

While Manure had plenty of inefficient seasons, Parker was always leading guards in FG%. Manure was earning 14,000,000 at Parker's age on a way smaller cap.


Parker > Manu

What the hell are you talking about? You are spouting off some delusional shit there. Who was on the floor at the end of the game in the 2003 Finals? Speedy fucking Claxton. Who stpped up when TP pulled up lame against OKC in the 2014 WCF - Corey Jospeh. Who had to play the majority of minutes when TP had some bullshit ailment against the Mavs in game 6 of the 2003 WCF - Steve Kerr. TP has a history of shriveling up on the biggest stage. After 15 something years in the league I can count on 1 hand when the dude carried his teammates and was clutch.

Manu was arguably the MVP of the 2005 Finals and averaged almost 20 pts a game with a broken arm in 2011 Memphis series. He was about to turn 34 if I'm not mistaken. The guy gave his left nut to the team this year. You have got to be shitting me if you think Parker has been the better player for the Spurs. Manu is the better player now for fucks sake.

Tony Parker's game has not evolved fast enough to keep pace with his decline. He can't stay in front of people on D and he can't get by his opponents on offense like he once did. His 3 pt shooting has improved but not nearly as much as the Spurs needed. Nah, dude is done and needs to be gone. I thought he could bounce back after the Clippers playoff debacle but he was mediocre at best. Worth 15 Mill a season? GTFO. PLEASE someone take him.

[TheGreatYacht]

What the hell are you talking about? You are spouting off some delusional shit there. Who was on the floor at the end of the game in the 2003 Finals? Speedy fucking Claxton. Who stpped up when TP pulled up lame against OKC in the 2014 WCF - Corey Jospeh. Who had to play the majority of minutes when TP had some bullshit ailment against the Mavs in game 6 of the 2003 WCF - Steve Kerr. TP has a history of shriveling up on the biggest stage. After 15 something years in the league I can count on 1 hand when the dude carried his teammates and was clutch.

Manu was arguably the MVP of the 2005 Finals and averaged almost 20 pts a game with a broken arm in 2011 Memphis series. He was about to turn 34 if I'm not mistaken. The guy gave his left nut to the team this year. You have got to be shitting me if you think Parker has been the better player for the Spurs. Manu is the better player now for fucks sake.

Tony Parker's game has not evolved fast enough to keep pace with his decline. He can't stay in front of people on D and he can't get by his opponents on offense like he once did. His 3 pt shooting has improved but not nearly as much as the Spurs needed. Nah, dude is done and needs to be gone. I thought he could bounce back after the Clippers playoff debacle but he was mediocre at best. Worth 15 Mill a season? GTFO. PLEASE someone take him.
Who fouled Dirk and cost the Spurs the series 2006 playoffs? Manu. Who cost the Spurs a championship in 2013 by turning the ball over 8 times and splitting his free throws? Manu. Who got his cookie taken by OKC's bench this year? Manu. Who fouled out in 15 minutes in a game where the Spurs had their backs on the wall against OKC? Manu. 13 years and he's already responsible for some of the biggest choke jobs of all time. He looked paid off at times to lose the series.

Shouldve could've would've, Parker has that hardware that Manu never got. Even Jamal Crawford has more 6MOY than Manu. He's looked at as some god because he's Latino in a Latino majority fan base. He's not. You're a fool if you think he did more for the Spurs than Parker did.

I agree that Parker's contract is bad and should be moved (just like Manure should've been for some years now), but it ain't gonna happen. Now y'all will feel like I did after 2013

[Phenomanul]

Who fouled Dirk and cost the Spurs the series 2006 playoffs? Manu. Who cost the Spurs a championship in 2013 by turning the ball over 8 times and splitting his free throws? Manu. Who got his cookie taken by OKC's bench this year? Manu. Who fouled out in 15 minutes in a game where the Spurs had their backs on the wall against OKC? Manu. 13 years and he's already responsible for some of the biggest choke jobs of all time. He looked paid off at times to lose the series.

Shouldve could've would've, Parker has that hardware that Manu never got. Even Jamal Crawford has more 6MOY than Manu. He's looked at as some god because he's Latino in a Latino majority fan base. He's not. You're a fool if you think he did more for the Spurs than Parker did.

I agree that Parker's contract is bad and should be moved (just like Manure should've been for some years now), but it ain't gonna happen. Now y'all will feel like I did after 2013

Your hatred for Manu really knows no bounds.

To me both Parker and Manu have been equally important pieces on Spurs' championship runs. Where Manu has exceled over the seasons (where Parker hasn't) is in adapting his game to accept lesser roles --> even prime Manu had to accept a lesser role because winning was the most important thing to him.

Say what you want about him, but there's a reason why everyone knows that Manu's competitive spirit could only be rivaled by the likes of the Jordan's and Kobe's of the world. As much as I defend both players I have to admit there have been games where one can visibly tell Parker mails it in (perhaps due to injuries or other legit reasons) - Manu however. fights and competes the same way every minute he's on the court. If you cannot let yourself admit as much, your entire argument loses credibility - as pure player hate.

[TrainOfThought5]

Parker gave the team more than Manu, and manure never got sent packing. It ain't happening

This is a discussion that deserves its own thread.

[Hoops Czar]

Finley went to Boston after his stint with the Spurs. Brent Barry went to Houston. Bowen retired because he wasn't welcomed back to the Spurs and Horry was pissed the Spurs would not re-sign him.

Explain to me again why you're comparing these knocking on the door of retirement bench players to Tony Parker.

Finley went to Boston after his stint with the Spurs.

Finley wanted and was granted a release from the Spurs.


Brent Barry went to Houston
Brent was on the last year of his deal with the Spurs when he went down with a season ending injury. It made sense to trade him. He played one more season and retired.


Bowen retired because he wasn't welcomed back to the Spurs

Bowen retired because NO team wanted him. Milwaukee tried for a month to give him away and they couldn't find a taker.


Horry was pissed the Spurs would not re-sign him.

The Spurs would have gladly taken Horry back but he chose retirement instead. Spurs also tried to persuade him to comeback mid season but, to no avail.


The Spurs traded George Hill in 2011 for Kawhi Leonard

The Spurs tried to turn him into a pg. :lol It was a total fail. There were many fans and talking heads alike that saw he wasn't a good fit in SA. He was also the only tradeable asset the team had at the time and they sorely needed an injection of youth. Plus, he was about to get paid and the PATFO didn't want any part of that.


it wasn't a matter of determining TP's market value. And we both know you made up that shit about Avery and Malik not wanting to come back. Malik was traded to the Knicks for essentially Nazr Mohammed. Avery was 36 and no longer the player he once was. The Spurs didn't resign him when he became a FA. Where was the loyalty then? The city loved Avery and the organization even retired his number.

2001 was the year they drafted Tony Parker and Avery didn't want to split time with Antonio Daniels as the backup pg so the Spurs and Avery mutually parted ways. Malik Rose was traded because of the lack of playing time he was receiving and it was becoming a major problem between him and Popovich.


The Spurs don't give a shit about all that fan loyalty stuff. If a player can produce to expectations and accept their roles - they have a chance to stick around. If they can't OR the organization feels it can improve by moving the player - they will make it happen. People are caught up in believing a bunch of fantasy land shit regarding the team. The NBA is a hard-core business. Winning trumps everything.

Well this isn't about fan loyalty, it's about team loyalty. I don't know what the hell you mean by accepting roles and then bring up total deadbeats who couldn't play at an NBA level anymore like Avery Johnson, Micheal Finley and Bruce Bowen. Parker might not be what he used to be but he's still very functional and a solid role player. Though, if he were making $3M instead of $14.5M, he'd be one of the best bargains in basketball and nobody would be saying shit. Maybe your complaint should be with the so-called PATFO who were the ones that gifted him that 4 year extension in the first place.

Good luck finding a team that's willing to take on the remainder of Tony's $30M contract. I'm sure the Spurstalk prognosticators will come up with many trade scenarios but 99.9% of them are heavily slanted in favor of the Spurs. These trades would have opposing GM's hanging up the phone in laughter.

If Spurs management had brass balls like you seem to think they do, they'd have no problem dumping fat and lazy too but, we both know that's not going to happen either. This organization is two things, cheap and loyal. They wouldn't sign Scola because of a $3M buyout. They wouldn't amnesty Bonner because they didn't want to pay $3.5M. Again George Hill was about to get paid so they traded him. They rewarded Tony Parker for his years of service rather than his inevitable decline. They re-signed a declining 30 year old (Richard Jefferson) to a 4 year contract extension (sound familiar?) so they could avoid going over the luxury tax threshold. Etc.

[99 Problems]

:claw

[ginobilized]

Kawhi is the only defender that I have ever seen to visibly cause Lebron distress. No one will contain a prime Lebron through a series, but, Kawhi is the best defender on him and made him work harder than anyone else.
End of story

[Kawhitstorm]

Harden literally blew Kiwi out of the water in every stat this season, yet Kiwi who was inferior and on a way better team and system got more hardware

You mean like how Kevin Love blew Tim out of the water in 2014?

[Hoops Czar]

Kawahi2016fmvp You keep quoting me but, I can't see your posts.

[Kawhitstorm]

I agree that Parker's contract is bad and should be moved (just like Manure should've been for some years now), but it ain't gonna happen. Now y'all will feel like I did after 2013

Does that mean Porker is going to play like an all-star next season just like Manu did in 2014?

[TheGreatYacht]

Does that mean Porker is going to play like an all-star next season just like Manu did in 2014?
Manu didn't play like an all star

[Kawhitstorm]

Manu didn't play like an all star

He outplayed Porker who was an all-star:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

He outplayed Porker who was an all-star:lol
The funny part is he didn't :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

The funny part is he didn't :lol

Enrique was in the lockerroom rubbing his vagina while Evita was ending OKC:

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Enrique also dug the team into 19-6 hole in Gm 5 of the Finals & it was Evita that turned the tide:

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Evita was also the reason the Spurs won Gm 4 against the Mavs otherwise the Spurs might have been in a 3-1 hole:

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[SAGirl]

all of these flashbacks from 2014 just make me want our team to get there again.
It's probably only going to happen with a different roster. As beloved as the old big 3 were, I don't think we get there again with them.

[mywastedlife900]

Manu didn't play like an all star

Dude its the off-season go work on your Photoshop skills they need work. Is ST set as your homepage or what? Pathetic knowing so much about the Spurs but being so wrong. Its like watching a lot of porn but not knowing how to have sex cuz you've never had the opportunity. This is all meaningless, to most of us visiting this site is entertaining, a way to pass the time when were taking a shit. If trolling on ST are your friday night plans - no wonder this is the only way you can get attention. Unplug, there's a big world out there, you'll thank me later.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dude its the off-season go work on your Photoshop skills they need work. Is ST set as your homepage or what? Pathetic knowing so much about the Spurs but being so wrong. Its like watching a lot of porn but not knowing how to have sex cuz you've never had the opportunity. This is all meaningless, to most of us visiting this site is entertaining, a way to pass the time when were taking a shit. If trolling on ST are your friday night plans - no wonder this is the only way you can get attention. Unplug, there's a big world out there, you'll thank me later.
There's these things called iphones, you should drop your brick phone and invest in one. You can use the Internet on it, as well as the Google.

"Unplug" :lol

And no, Manu didn't play like an Allstar.

[skulls138]

"The Heat...have gone cold...GinOBILI ON THE FINISH!"

I like Lebron on that play. Its like, "all yours Manu, just let me get out of the way"

[tholdren]

No, Kawhi is not better then LeBron, but he's clearly the best defender in the league. Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green on the same team don't equal 1 Kawhi.
LOLOL what do you know, heres a "hey I know my favorite player can't lead a team to shit, so I'll just keep bringing up his defense"

10/10

[mywastedlife900]

LOLOL what do you know, heres a "hey I know my favorite player can't lead a team to shit, so I'll just keep bringing up his defense"

10/10

Your late.

[mywastedlife900]

There's these things called iphones, you should drop your brick phone and invest in one. You can use the Internet on it, as well as the Google.

"Unplug" :lol

And no, Manu didn't play like an Allstar.

Do your get alerts on you're phone every time a new thread is created?

[tholdren]

Your late.