Bball ref: 2003 Tim vs. 2016 LeBron (Finals Edition)

[Kawhitstorm]

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Proof that the '03 Spurs had worst supporting cast EVER for a championship squad:

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[TheGreatYacht]

I always laugh when people say Dirk had the worst cast of all time in 2011 :lol

Tim stopped the 3 peat Lakers :worthy:

[phxspurfan]

I always laugh when people say Dirk had the worst cast of all time in 2011 :lol

Tim stopped the 3 peat Lakers :worthy:

Everyone forgets that crap supporting Cast hit like 10 3's to help us win the Dallas series

[Leetonidas]

Everyone forgets that crap supporting Cast hit like 10 3's to help us win the Dallas series

Sun shines on a dogs ass on occasion

[bklynspursfan]

Everyone forgets that crap supporting Cast hit like 10 3's to help us win the Dallas series

Kerr was big in that series, and Captain Jack hit some big shots in the finals clincher. But overall, it was the Timmy show. And there was a reason guys were getting such open looks

[Kawhitstorm]

I always laugh when people say Dirk had the worst cast of all time in 2011 :lol

Dirk was a one way player who played no part in slowing down LeChoke & got outplayed by Jason Terry in the last 2 games of the Finals

[ViceCity86]

How come Duncan never replicated 2003 playoff run the years following. In 2005, he had the ankles, rolled them in reg season game in Detroit and playoff game in Seattle. Better supporting cast, less weight to carry.

[dbreiden83080]

I always laugh when people say Dirk had the worst cast of all time in 2011 :lol

Tim stopped the 3 peat Lakers :worthy:

2003 Tim was playing at like a top three player of all-time level. He was so good it was ridiculous.

[dbreiden83080]

How come Duncan never replicated 2003 playoff run the years following. In 2005, he had the ankles, rolled them in reg season game in Detroit and playoff game in Seattle. Better supporting cast, less weight to carry.

By 2005 Manu had grown into a star player. Thank god because we needed him to be. Tony didn't really play well in the playoffs consistently until 2007.

[Kawhitstorm]

How come Duncan never replicated 2003 playoff run the years following. In 2005, he had the ankles, rolled them in reg season game in Detroit and playoff game in Seattle. Better supporting cast, less weight to carry.

Did you miss his 2006 series against the Mavs?::wakeup

Besides, he was an absolute beast in the 2002 playoffs & dominated PEAK Shaq. The Spurs lost b/c Speedy/Jack/Manu weren't on the roster.

[ViceCity86]

Did you miss his 2006 series against the Mavs?::wakeup

Besides, he was an absolute beast in the 2002 playoffs & dominated PEAK Shaq. The Spurs lost b/c Speedy/Jack/Manu weren't on the roster.

I do remember that series. It was ONE series. He looked unstoppable vs Mavs. Every time they threw the ball to him I felt he was gonna score. Unfortunately I felt the same way every time the Mavs had the ball. They started game 7 shooting 85%, 17-20.

[Sean Cagney]

I do remember that series. It was ONE series. He looked unstoppable vs Mavs. Every time they threw the ball to him I felt he was gonna score. Unfortunately I felt the same way every time the Mavs had the ball. They started game 7 shooting 85%, 17-20.

The way they started out that game 7 I said this could be a loooong night.

[ViceCity86]

The way they started out that game 7 I said this could be a loooong night.

Just finished watching 2006 Heat DVD. They bricked all those shots in the finals. Game 6, open shot after open shot, brick, brick, brick.

[ViceCity86]

Duncan is a very clutch player. The only series in 2007 he needed to dominate was against the Suns. He did just that.

[ViceCity86]

Duncan played poorly vs Nets in game 2. One of the worst games I'v seen from him. He was splendid in the last two games. He made an all star in Kenyon Martin look like a D-leaguer.

[ViceCity86]

Brad Nessler Bill Walton Tom Tolbert

Underrated broadcasting crew.

[Keepin' it real]

Brad Nessler Bill Walton Tom Tolbert

Underrated broadcasting crew.

Nessler is a good football guy. Didn't like him (or Al Michaels) for basketball.

[SpursFan86]

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Remember coming across this last year and seems relevant to this topic.

Regardless, 2003 Tim was obviously better than current LeBron. People are quick to forget how mediocre LeBron was in Games 1-4 (a big reason why they went down 3-1 in the first place).

[T_L_P]

How come Duncan never replicated 2003 playoff run the years following. In 2005, he had the ankles, rolled them in reg season game in Detroit and playoff game in Seattle. Better supporting cast, less weight to carry.

03 was his peak. Like you said, he had the ankles in 05 but in the 06 and 07 Playoffs he was probably the best player in the NBA.

He was basically just as good in 02 but had absolutely no help. In the Lakers WCSF he put up 29/17/5/5 but his cast was a rookie Parker, Bowen, Robinson who missed half the series and Antonio Daniels. The disparity between his GameScore for the series and the next best Spur is disgusting: Duncan had a 23.3, Parker was 2nd with an 8.2 (a GameScore of 10 is considered average :lol)

[bklynspursfan]

2005 he also went up against one of the best defensive front lines. They were brutal, and Tim said Sheed was his toughest defender

[keeferob25]

How come Duncan never replicated 2003 playoff run the years following. In 2005, he had the ankles, rolled them in reg season game in Detroit and playoff game in Seattle. Better supporting cast, less weight to carry.

Well considering no one ever did what he did in the first place in all of history I would say that it must be hard to do it once...let alone twice.

[Kawhitstorm]

I do remember that series. It was ONE series. He looked unstoppable vs Mavs. Every time they threw the ball to him I felt he was gonna score. Unfortunately I felt the same way every time the Mavs had the ball. They started game 7 shooting 85%, 17-20.

2002 wasn't one series though, he destroyed Vin Baker/Jerome James & the series went to 5 b/c Tim missed Gm 4 to attend his father's funeral.

Vs. Seattle: 25.8/11.0/5.5/5.8 BLOCKS!
Vs. Lakers: 29.0/17.2 /4.6 /1.0/3.2

The Spurs had a lead going into the 4th quarter of EVERY game against the Lakers & would have beaten them if they had Manu/Jack/Speedy who were the closers in 2003.

Tim won B2B MVP In '02/'03 & played like it in the postseason unlike Nash('05/'06) & LeBron ('09/'10) who also won B2B MVPs in that decade.

[spurraider21]

I always laugh when people say Dirk had the worst cast of all time in 2011 :lol
nobody says that

[HarlemHeat37]

Duncan's peak occurring during the "dark days" of the NBA is a shame, tbh..it has given many fans and media the false perception that prime Duncan was just a superior version of 2011-2014 Tim playing on a loaded supporting cast where they shared the load:lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Duncan's peak occurring during the "dark days" of the NBA is a shame, tbh..it has given many fans and media the false perception that prime Duncan was just a superior version of 2011-2014 Tim playing on a loaded supporting cast where they shared the load:lol

He was a one man wrecking crew for so long.

[HarlemHeat37]

He was a one man wrecking crew for so long.

Yep, but as the NBA has grown in popularity and gained a lot of new fans(young and old), you'll often see the assumption that the Spurs have always been a balanced team that succeeds due to "the system" :lol..

I had to drop some game on my little cousins a few months ago when they asked me about Duncan, for example..a lot of these fans that weren't around back then seem to think his strongest selling point is his longevity, forgetting how completely dominant he was from 1999 to 2003, before the injuries and Pop's "maintenance" plan began..

[TheGreatYacht]

nobody says that
Yes they do.

[Kawhitstorm]

Duncan's peak occurring during the "dark days" of the NBA is a shame, tbh..it has given many fans and media the false perception that prime Duncan was just a superior version of 2011-2014 Tim playing on a loaded supporting cast where they shared the load:lol

Kareem's legacy also suffered since his PEAK & a majority of his prime was in the crack era.

[Kidd K]

http://i0.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-datalab-lebron-cast-2.png?quality=90&strip=all&w=575&ssl=1

Remember coming across this last year and seems relevant to this topic.

Regardless, 2003 Tim was obviously better than current LeBron. People are quick to forget how mediocre LeBron was in Games 1-4 (a big reason why they went down 3-1 in the first place).

I think that can be a potentially misleading stat. "oh look at all the help" is one way to look at it, but you can also say that they played well with their teammates and made them better rather than play selfishly. Jordan for example, who a lot of people compare Kobe to, did NOT ball hog and ball dominate that much despite the fact he took the most shots. . .unlike Kobe. So his teammates will have better stats by default due to the playstyle differences.

[Kawhitstorm]

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:lmao

:lolSo, the '87 Celtics supporting cast was worse the the '03 Spurs?:lol

:lmao

[bklynspursfan]

So many people don't remember TD in 03. It's a shame.... They're drooling over what Lebron has done, and don't get me wrong he had a terrific series. But Duncan in that Nets series, was incredible. Just amazing numbers

[Thomas82]

I always laugh when people say Dirk had the worst cast of all time in 2011 :lol

Tim stopped the 3 peat Lakers :worthy:

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