Spurs to pursue Mike Conley in free agency

[Emperor]

Heck no I wouldn't take Westbrick over Parker. A career choker who shoots his team out of the playoffs every year (even though he has an MVP right next to him and a stacked cast)?

That has got to be one of the dumbest things i have ever heard from a basketball fan.

[gambit1990]

if we had westbrook instead of parker we'd be unstoppable.

[cd021]

Theoretically it works in terms of minutes. But what is Conley's max level? You don't think its absolutely INSANE to have likely over 30 million tied to PGs in that scenario? That's like a THIRD of the cap! Parker HAS to go if Conley was signed.

It would be north of $35 million roughly, it isn't ideal but it isn't breaking any rules or anything. The Pelicans have three bigs on the books for almost $37 million (Ajinca, Davis, Osik). This is the reason for cheap contracts at the end of the bench (Anderson, Simmons, Murray, Bertans, and LJC) those five players would probably make less than $7 million. Green is on a dirt cheap deal and Leonard and LMA contracts are going to be increasingly looked at as bargains.

Parker actually had a very good regular season, I would expect the same against less talented benches if the Spurs were to get Conley.

[dabom]

If we had wesybrook instead of Tony, we'd have a 3peet already.

[SASdynasty!]

:rollin At someone taking Parker over Westbrook. LOL
:rollin at taking a career loser who plays with an MVP, stacked cast, and great coach, yet finds ways to shoot his team out of the playoffs every year over a proven winner, 4x champion FMVP.

[SASdynasty!]

If we had wesybrook instead of Tony, we'd have a 3peet already.
Funny, seeing how Westbrook can't even win one with an MVP next to him.

[SASdynasty!]

Last season per 36:

Conley: 18/7/3/1 on 42% shooting
Parker: 16/7/3/1 on 49% shooting

Lol, Parker in his 15th season still better than prime Conley, lol.

[dabom]

Funny, seeing how Westbrook can't even win one with an MVP next to him.

Westbrook never had Prime Duncan or Prime ROLE PLAYERS to bail him out. We won game 6 OKC cause porker was "injured". :lmao

[tbdog]

Last season per 36:

Conley: 18/7/3/1 on 42% shooting
Parker: 16/7/3/1 on 49% shooting

Lol, Parker in his 15th season still better than prime Conley, lol.

I am sure Conley will shoot better with Leonard and LMA on the team. Plus add better defense. But I agree, I am not all for Conley. It is possible we can get both Durant and Conley, but it will require them to take a little less, like 2 million less, and Parker and Green getting traded for Conley (Which I am sure Grizzlies will be happy with as they are not getting any competent sg without forking out a large bill.)

[tonight...you]

Westbrook never had Prime Duncan or Prime ROLE PLAYERS to bail him out. We won game 6 OKC cause porker was "injured". :lmao
I'm all about SASdynasty staying strong on this.
I think he's dumb as hell, but he's making some points at the same time that no one is wanting to touch.

Strong...

[tonight...you]

I am sure Conley will shoot better with Leonard and LMA on the team. Plus add better defense. But I agree, I am not all for Conley. It is possible we can get both Durant and Conley, but it will require them to take a little less, like 2 million less, and Parker and Green getting traded for Conley (Which I am sure Grizzlies will be happy with as they are not getting any competent sg without forking out a large bill.)
Why? He had Marc and Zbo over there opening up the perimeter. So... why exactly will he shoot better?

[dabom]

I'm all about SASdynasty staying strong on this.
I think he's dumb as hell, but he's making some points at the same time that no one is wanting to touch.

Strong...

You don't think westbrook, green, kawhi, LMA, Duncan/Gasol 3peets?

[tonight...you]

You don't think westbrook, green, kawhi, LMA, Duncan/Gasol 3peets?
Did I say that? Did I even elude to that? Why ask the question, if I didn't approach it to begin with?

[dabom]

If we had wesybrook instead of Tony, we'd have a 3peet already.


Funny, seeing how Westbrook can't even win one with an MVP next to him.


I'm all about SASdynasty staying strong on this.
I think he's dumb as hell, but he's making some points at the same time that no one is wanting to touch.

Strong...


Did I say that? Did I even elude to that? Why ask the question, if I didn't approach it to begin with?

He's implying we can't 3peet with westbrook and laughs at the idea and you tell him to stay strong. I just have to assume you agreed with him.

[tonight...you]

He's implying we can't 3peet with westbrook and laughs at the idea and you tell him to stay strong. I just have to assume you agreed with him.
Then you are not reading words correctly. I said I like a man being strong on his point and bringing things up that some won't touch.
What's so hard about that?

I mean, seriously brother...

[K...]

Are we talking peak parker vs peak westbrook? If so SAS is hell yes correct

Are we talking TOSB parker over westbrook? The i'd say maybe. WEstbrook is very very good, but he's so ball dominant he could destroy a team. He could be turning a corner but it's not conclusive.

[K...]

I mean can you seriously argue that Peak Parker wasn't better than westbrook at everything but fucking up the 4rth quarter?

[tonight...you]

Are we talking peak parker vs peak westbrook? If so SAS is hell yes correct

Are we talking TOSB parker over westbrook? The i'd say maybe. WEstbrook is very very good, but he's so ball dominant he could destroy a team. He could be turning a corner but it's not conclusive.
Old boy was talking about current vs current, which is autism going crazy., imo.
He's talking about choosing a walking triple double over barely producing Parker.

Wildness.

[TheGoldStandard]

:rollin at taking a career loser who plays with an MVP, stacked cast, and great coach, yet finds ways to shoot his team out of the playoffs every year over a proven winner, 4x champion FMVP.


You think OKC has a stacked cast? Outside of their starting lineup they have usually been very thin in their depth. Parker has had the luxury of playing with hall of famers all around him to help him get those 4 titles and wrecking Boobie Gibson to get his FMVP? lol. yeah.. let me ask you this, what super all star guards was tony wrecking during the championship runs?

Prime Parker was fast but I think Westbrook is plenty fast. As much as I give Pop shit about his decision making he made sure early on that young parker was not going to shit himself and try to get into pissing contests with other players.. Westbrook has never had that bestowed upon him, coaches just kind of let him do whatever.. but Westbrook is a triple double machine with proper coaching would be light years above parker.. Not to mention Chip helping westbrook with his shot because remember tony couldn't shoot either..

If we are strickly talking now vs now.. you're full on retard to think Parker is the better player.. Imagine teams having to single cover either LMA or Kawhi while PnR with Westbrook would be dangerous as fuck because he could simply dump the ball off.

[NASpurs]

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[ducks]

Intersting have eye on other prize

[NASpurs]

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Can't say I'm sad about it

[DPG21920]

Thank goodness. It really never made sense other than surface level chatter. I'm very happy with this news.

[BatManu20]

Spurs are only interested in guys 36 or older.

[raybies]

overstated implies that there is some interest though, right? so your telling him there's a chance. lol

[tbdog]

Why? He had Marc and Zbo over there opening up the perimeter. So... why exactly will he shoot better?

M.Gasol are Zebo are fine, but the rest of the team isn't. They had next to no shooting, other than old man Carter and a very inconsistent Green who later got traded. So they heavily play a inside game, with limited outside. All game plans was to rotate off guys like Tony Allen and Matt Barnes. Conley was their second best shooter and teams knew this. Having Leonard and LMA would really open things up, plus Danny Green, Manu etc. I am sure the jump would be noticeable. But again, he offers better defense. I like his game but I feel like his vastly overrated (for his price), and rather a cheaper option like Charmers or something who has size and can/should hit open jumpers. I still feel we can get a cheaper pg who can start, so Tony, Tim, and Manu can play off the bench.

[TheGoldStandard]

Cue this thread when Conley torches Parker next season. lol.

[gambit1990]

next best free agent pg is lin. would cost a lot less. if that was a direction the spurs would take i hope he'd be okay with a one year deal.

would still like to get dragic from the heat. but swapping he and parker doesn't clear space for them...

[raybies]

With the Conley report, I think we can all but end Parker being traded talk if it wasn't already squashed by now...

[Ditty]

Thank god! Much better free agent point guards on the market next year, and would be easier to get rid of Parker also with an expiring deal.

[raybies]

Just thinking about it the Spurs interest in Conley was probably exploratory. They probably wanted to know if he would take a discount to come here and when he was firm on his price it became "overstated".

[TheGoldStandard]

Thank god! Much better free agent point guards on the market next year, and would be easier to get rid of Parker also with an expiring deal.

Parker is not going anywhere.. Will get another inflated contract..

[Ditty]

Parker is not going anywhere.. Will get another inflated contract..

I seriously doubt it :lol, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's brought back for around the $10 million mark for a year or two, which won't be a bad deal with the salary cap going up as it is right now that his salary is hurting us.

[TheGoldStandard]

I seriously doubt it :lol, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's brought back for around the $10 million mark for a year or two, which won't be a bad deal with the salary cap going up as it is right now that his salary is hurting us.

Why do you doubt it? Spurs have kept Bonner around for years without any real production.. Parker comes back after next season with a 2/25 deal.. 12 and 12

[Ditty]

Why do you doubt it? Spurs have kept Bonner around for years without any real production.. Parker comes back after next season with a 2/25 deal.. 12 and 12

I seriously doubt he has any type of salary that will impact us in free agency like how he has this upcoming offseason and last year. He will probably retire a Spur unless he requests a trade, which I highly doubt as long as we have Kawhi. I could see him getting a contract like you mentioned which won't be terrible with the salary cap going up.

[Kawhitstorm]

Conley is the better basketball player at this point than Parker and it's not even close.

Conley has been sadly outplayed by Porker during their past 3 meetings::lol

- http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201503290SAS.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201511210SAS.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201512030MEM.html

[r0drig0lac]

With the Conley report, I think we can all but end Parker being traded talk if it wasn't already squashed by now...

this talk only makes sense in spurstalk

[Mnky]

Just because they're smart enough to not want to Max someone who isn't a franchise player, doesn't mean they're not interested. Conley is the better pg, there's no argument there. He has been a 1St team defensive guard and Has led the league in steals while putting up similar numbers to Parker on a much worse team, where other team's focus on him. No one cares about Parker, he gets wide open shots, and is allowed to drive and is decent at his gimmie stats, but nothing like Conley on the defensive side.

I would like him, Not close to a Max though. A price tag closer to Parker would be more appropriate, as Parker is simply overpaid.

[ceperez]

Just because they're smart enough to not want to Max someone who isn't a franchise player, doesn't mean they're not interested. Conley is the better pg, there's no argument there. He has been a 1St team defensive guard and Has led the league in steals while putting up similar numbers to Parker on a much worse team, where other team's focus on him. No one cares about Parker, he gets wide open shots, and is allowed to drive and is decent at his gimmie stats, but nothing like Conley on the defensive side.

I would like him, Not close to a Max though. A price tag closer to Parker would be more appropriate, as Parker is simply overpaid.

I agree. Conley as a max player is too expensive. Better to get an emerging 6'6" - 6'7" playing like Crabbe or maybe even Batum.

[look_at_g_shred]

I agree. Conley as a max player is too expensive. Better to get an emerging 6'6" - 6'7" playing like Crabbe or maybe even Batum.
Would love Crabbe on the team.

[SASdynasty!]

Westbrook never had Prime Duncan or Prime ROLE PLAYERS to bail him out. We won game 6 OKC cause porker was "injured". :lmao
Funny, because somehow we won 3 other games in that series when Parker was healthy. And it didn't take overtime to do it. They won by 17, 35, & 28 in the other wins with Parker the whole game.

[DenialTwist]

Cue this thread when Conley torches Parker next season. lol.

Correction: "Conley will torch Parker the next four seasons" you know the spurs will re-sign Parker and give him a farewell paycheck. Murray won't be a starter until Parker retires.

[SASdynasty!]

Conley has been sadly outplayed by Porker during their past 3 meetings::lol

- http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201503290SAS.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201511210SAS.html
- http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201512030MEM.html
And those don't even get close to comparing to what Parker does to Conley in the playoffs.

[SASdynasty!]

Cue this thread when Conley torches Parker next season. lol.
Parker & Conley H2H:

Regular Season:

Parker: 21 wins, 17/6 on 49% in 31.6 MPG
Conley: 5 wins, 15/5 on 47% in 33.4 MPG

Playoffs:

Parker: 6 wins, 22/7 on 49% in 37.9 MPG
Conley: 4 wins, 15/6 on 39% in 38.1 MPG

http://bkref.com/tiny/uHbva

[hooperflash]

Memphis l 5 year, $153 million

[Big Empty]

HA HA HA DAMN!!!!! PARKER IS HALF THE PRICE OF CONLEY

[lefty]

No surprise

Parker is half the player Conley is tbh

[Big Empty]

No surprise

Parker is half the player Conley is tbhparker lost a step but he still gots some game.

[gambit1990]

No surprise

Parker is half the player Conley is tbh
:lol

[playbonner15]

Would love Crabbe on the team.

Same here. Would love some 3s to fall next season

[Xevious]

Well there goes that idea... :lol

[ducks]

No surprise

Parker is half the player Conley is tbh

Dude look at stats tp owns him

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs now have a new strategy: Leak to the press that the Spurs are considering going after another team's player so that the team freaks out and massively overpays the player to get him to stay, thus ruining their team.

[Ice009]

Dude look at stats tp owns him

Without looking at the stats, I'd assume TP has outplayed him most times since that 2011 series?

[TheGreatYacht]

Without looking at the stats, I'd assume TP has outplayed him most times since that 2011 series?
Correct. He loves playing Conley

[Sean Cagney]

Correct. He loves playing Conley

Spurs as a whole since 2011 have just seemed to love playing that team overall. They have won 2 games since then regular season and playoffs.

[Spurtacular]

$30.6 mil per for five seasons. F that.

[Mugen]

:lol Damn I like Mike, but most guaranteed money in NBA history for a guy who hasn't even been an All Star halfway through his career....

[cd98]

Conley crossing 30 years old...I think he plays well enough for the next two years, but he'll be like every other point guard. Once they turn 32/33, they just lose a few steps and they can't dominate games anymore. I think Spurs were wise to pull back, especially at that salary.

[SASdynasty!]

$30.6 mil per for five seasons. F that.
Hahahhahahhahahahhaha and people on this board thought Parker's contract was bad!

[HarlemHeat37]

He's been hurt in 2 consecutive playoffs and just missed 26 games this past season..terrible sign for a player on the wrong side of his physical prime..

2015: https://fansided.com/2015/05/19/mike-conley-nba-playoffs-injuries-grizzlies/

2016: Achilles tendon, missed 26 games + playoffs


The Spurs already paid a speed-reliant PG a lot of money(at the time) when he was past his physical prime and it we have seen the negative impact it has had..hopefully they don't make the same mistake (not to mention Parker is much more skilled than Conley, Conley's game will age even worse IMO)

His body is finished, as expected, tbh..

[TheDoctor]

Damn

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[Chinook]

I feel bad for him, but that was a colossally bad deal his team gave him. That pick Denver has is going to be so valuable.

[spursistan]

His body is finished, as expected, tbh..
we--and others-- have dodged a massive bullet :lol

[spursistan]

I feel bad for him, but that was a colossally bad deal his team gave him. That pick Denver has is going to be so valuable.
Woj is reporting a fracture in the back vertebrate.. The Grizz were really mad incompetent by doubling down and signing an even more overrated, injury-prone player to a max deal (Parsons)-- that without even knowing if Marc Gasol would have fully healed from his broken foot..

I can't remember a team making their bed in an offseason worse than they have done past summer..

[spursistan]

Grizz should have signed Harrison Barnes instead of Parsons..It is amazing how the latter got his max deal while finishing his past two seasons on the shelf...Dude should have been given the Ezeli FA treatment..

[$pursDynasty]

I feel bad for him, but that was a colossally bad deal his team gave him. That pick Denver has is going to be so valuable.
feel for him to but that guaranteed contract has to help ease the pain.

[Vokun]

Man, reading things like that just make me appreciate Parker's mediocre play and his contract even more.

[TheGreatYacht]

Don't ever bring in a guy that heavily relies on advanced statistics like John Hollinger to run your franchise. Just look at Houston and Daryl Morey.

If you went by their metrics, you'd think Fat Head was Avery Bradley defensively tbh..

[Kawhitstorm]

Conley himself has lower extremity issues so he is on his way to aging like Porker.:lol

[spursistan]

George Hill at half his salary next year will look like huge bargain by comparison..Dude hasn't been able to stay healthy for 2 straight months the past 2 seasons, it should have raised a red flag to the Grizz and other suitors..

[ElNono]

what could've been, tbh... <3

[midnightpulp]

what could've been, tbh... <3

Manu's dead body off the team?

[ElNono]

Manu's dead body off the team?

whatever it took, tbh... in hindsight

[timtonymanu]

Fuck him for staying there. Both these teams going nowhere anyway.

[gambit1990]

lose parker, sign conley to a one year deal. then sign chris paul next summer.
if only.

[dabom]

Au revoir tony.


Swapping TP for Conley barley moves the needle and now you have a longer deal on an aging PG. No thanks.


I don't think you understand the difference in Talent right now. :lmao


I understand it completely. Conley is better than TP, but he's not elite at all. He's also got the same breakdown concerns as TP and his contract would be infinitely worse for longer.


Any team would want Conley. I think he is amazing at what he does. Look at the Grizz roster he has had to carry over the years. I think he has always been their best player. Parker at this point is a negative impact player.


That's silly IMO and why I don't believe the rumor. If anyone watched this year, more than ever Pop yanked TP even in critical moments. He sat Duncan. He's clearly not above playing the best player and if Mills or Gino could have done anything positive they certainly would have played over TP when it mattered.


I wouldn't pay the max either. I'd give him 17 mil a year tops. He is probably worth the max to shit teams.


RPM has Conley by a country mile. Please don't tell me you use defensive rating as it is a team stat. :lmao


You laugh at a lot of really stupid stuff TBH...RPM is a function of DRPM & ORPM. Offensively, of course he was better than TP. Defensively though, he was not very good at all was the point.

BTW, your boy Conley has a worse RPM than Rubio whom you say is "busted".


I saw that. He'd fit terrible though. I was talking about his shooting. :lmao

Tony Parker is washed up now. Took ya 2 years to even get to this point. Its kinda hard to argue with a parkertard though. :lol

[dabom]

DPFaggotG at it again. :lmao

[gambit1990]

Swapping TP for Conley barley moves the needle and now you have a longer deal on an aging PG. No thanks.
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[140]

:lol those porker fluffer takes :lmao

[gambit1990]

:lol those porker fluffer takes :lmao

He's injury prone, on the decline, and something of a playoff choker. He's never shot over 43% in a playoff series.
:lmao

conley this series:
24.4 ppg on 50% shooting, 7.4 apg :lol
his TS% is .630 :lol
his PER is 30.4 :lol
2nd best VORP in the series :lol
"on the decline" :lol

[SAGirl]

what could've been, tbh... <3
I haven't watched him all season.. but I do wonder if there is not a chance he's looking great bc he's being defended a lot by Patty and Tony (only Danny at times and Kawhi for a few possessions. And Danny after a special initial game and some impressive defense has disappeared and not made himself impactful)... anyways, I have my doubts when evaluating someone, when patty Mills has made Austin Rivers look like an All star TBH.

[SAGirl]

Damn

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Looking at this right now I forgot he was injured early in the season... it's possible this Memphis team in reality can be better than its win/loss record had he been healthy all year.

[gambit1990]

I do wonder if there is not a chance he's looking great bc he's being defended a lot by Patty and Tony
conley is legit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz16HyXbM6c

27 & 12 in one game against the warriors... tony had a total of 9 points, 6 assists after both games he played against them during the RS.

[SAGirl]

conley is legit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz16HyXbM6c

27 & 12 in one game against the warriors... tony had a total of 9 points, 6 assists after both games he played against them during the RS.
:toast
I didn't know that.. like I said I just haven't watched so I didn't know if this was the result of poor defense or he's normally this great... there's also the possibility this team is better than its W/L record bc they battled injuries.
I bet if Kawhi is injured for 6 weeks or some such, Spurs also don't have the record they have. He's been impressive no doubt.

and there is probably an element of Fizdale tanking to end the season in order to get the Spurs bc they owned them in the RS...

[DPG21920]

:lol Conley getting outplayed by TP in an elimination game on his own court

[DPG21920]

:lmao

conley this series:
24.4 ppg on 50% shooting, 7.4 apg :lol
his TS% is .630 :lol
his PER is 30.4 :lol
2nd best VORP in the series :lol
"on the decline" :lol

Conley in a close out game at home with his 150M going home because TP dumped on him :lol

[dabom]

He still played like a superstar the whole series. What are you smoking? :lmao

[DPG21920]

He still played like a superstar the whole series. What are you smoking? :lmao

Superstar going home by himself because he could not out perform, in an elimination game on his own floor, against a Tony Parker that you argue is one of the worst players in the league :lmao

[spursistan]

Bump..

Out for the season before February rolls on for the second time in 3 years..He did well to secure his future financially and likely fuck the Grizzlies in the process..Everyone else dodged a bullet..

[tbdog]

Parsons and Conley contract. My God. Marc Gasol can't just walk. He has signed for a few more years.

[Raven]

the parsons contract is an absolute killer.. the conley contract just means that they get to tank for a while and not lose him in the process.

[BatManu20]

Yea Grizzlies are in a bad spot. Gasol is going to eventually demand a trade imo and the Parsons and Conley contracts are untradable.

[cd021]

Yea Grizzlies are in a bad spot. Gasol is going to eventually demand a trade imo and the Parsons and Conley contracts are untradable.

Parsons-$49.6 Million owed after this season for 2 more seasons

Conley-$97.5 Million owed after this season for 3 more seasons

they currently would have the 6th pick in the draft with a possibility of dropping down to 4th or even 3rd they would have to absolutely nail that pick and hope that Conley is at least decent for the remainder of is deal. Things could get super ugly next season if they don't make the playoffs, they owe their 2019 pick (top 8 protected) to Boston.

[DPG21920]

I understand it completely. Conley is better than TP, but he's not elite at all. He's also got the same breakdown concerns as TP and his contract would be infinitely worse for longer.

Who saw that coming? Shocker.