Manu Ginobili declines player option

[AFMadison]

Per Woj

[Spurs9]

Doesnt necessarily mean he wont be on the team.

[NASpurs]

That sweet, sweet cap space.

[montgod]

Doesnt necessarily mean he wont be on the team.

True... he could still sign for the minimum later after Olympics. Helps Spurs with some addl minimal options w/cap flexibility.

[Chinook]

Would want to wait for someone to actually embed the tweet. But yeah, this should happen with Manu and Duncan no matter what. I've said before that there's almost no upside in them opting in.

[RD2191]

ElNono

[AFMadison]

Doesnt necessarily mean he wont be on the team.
Yea. I'm sure Tim will opt out too. I'm thinking PATFO makes some runs at some FA targets before we know anything for sure about Tim and Manu's future.

[K...]

Haha Argentina beats the U.S. 4-0 and all of sudden Manu is too good for us. What an ungrateful jerk. He's probably going to try and coat tail messi instead of Timmy.

[AFMadison]

Would want to wait for someone to actually embed the tweet. But yeah, this should happen with Manu and Duncan no matter what. I've said before that there's almost no upside in them opting in.
How and I'll do it

[NASpurs]

Would want to wait for someone to actually embed the tweet. But yeah, this should happen with Manu and Duncan no matter what. I've said before that there's almost no upside in them opting in.

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[ulosturedge]

How much was the player option worth? 2mil? I guess that gives us more flexability.

If we are able to aquire any marquee players I can see him signing for less for 1 last chance at a 'ship and if not I can see the FO giving him more as a loyalty thing.

[AFMadison]

How much was the player option worth? 2mil? I guess that gives us more flexability.

If we are able to aquire any marquee players I can see him signing for less for 1 last chance at a 'ship and if not I can see the FO giving him more as a loyalty thing.
2.9

[Chinook]

How and I'll do it


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Thanks. I feel like after years of Manu signing extensions, he is kinda addicted to being a free agent. This is the third time in four seasons.

[Richie]

Would want to wait for someone to actually embed the tweet. But yeah, this should happen with Manu and Duncan no matter what. I've said before that there's almost no upside in them opting in.

Sure there's not much upside for the Spurs, but plenty of upside for the players to opt-in personally. Opting out is giving up guaranteed money.

[TheGoldStandard]

As expected, players doing their part in this offseason per par

[TheGoldStandard]

Thanks. I feel like after years of Manu signing extensions, he is kinda addicted to being a free agent. This is the third time in four seasons.

Maybe he wants to go to Denver to finish out his career..

[Robz4000]

Manu leaning towards playing next season according to Woj.

[Chinook]

Sure there's not much upside for the Spurs, but plenty of upside for the players to opt-in personally. Opting out is giving up guaranteed money.

Nah. The team will take care of them. They know that by now.

[TDomination]

Manu leaning towards playing next season according to Woj.

If this is true, i bet he's talked to Timmy and timmy is probably leaning towards coming back.

[Mr. Body]

Manu leaning towards playing next season according to Woj.

That's what it looks like. Surprised but happy. Suggests Tim might be back.

[bklynspursfan]

The Yahoo headline shows up as Manu Ginobili leaning toward playing next season

[Robz4000]

They showed Sean working out with the guy who Tim regularly trains with during offseasons to stay in shape (at the Spurs facility no less), so I'm betting Tim was there too. Good sign for those hoping he returns.

[Keepin' it real]

Manu has retired!!!

Thank you for all the great memories, Manu!

[Mr. Body]

This is obviously the scenario: KD wants to be a Spur, but only if Duncan stays one transition year. So Tim's staying. Manu is setting if he fits on the bench, but is leaning toward yes.

[ElNono]

he's always been the unselfish guy, tbh... this obviously gives the team more financial flexibility.

I think at this stage of his career he wants to make sure the team tell him they want him back and not force his way into perhaps an unwelcome situation.

[TheGreatYacht]

Good riddance

[bklynspursfan]

Manu has retired!!!


Thank you for all the great memories, Manu!

No.

[Uriel]

One more year, Manu.

[Spur|n|Austin]

One more year, Manu.

[spursparker9]

Better get KD now

[LakerHater]

He'll sign back for less!

[baseline bum]

Oh man, that would be awesome if Manu can go another year. Especially if Tim can too.

[Keepin' it real]

Better get KD now

:pop:See Kevin, Manu has gotten over himself, and under my tutelage, he became a 4 time NBA champion. Are you willing to completely succomb to my powers and allow -- if not welcome -- my verbal tirades at places and times of my choosing? If so, championships await.

[LakerHater]

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[cd021]

Vet min tbh

[Mal]

It has begun :lobt2:

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

One more year, Manu.

[cd98]

At this point in his career, Manu is a vet minimum guy.

[LittleCriminal]

So manu and duncan sign for the vet min?

[Spurs9]

I don't want Tim or Manu back for another season tbh, I wish they would just move on. Although between the 2 I might take Manu back if its for the min.

[TheRemix]

If it's for the minimum, why not?

[Maddog]

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Greg Simmons!
OMG is he still alive...

[coachmac87]

I really think both Manu and Tim will wait and see what the FO does first. If they want to be apart of it they'll sign for the minimum when the time comes.

[Keepin' it real]

Greg Simmons!
OMG is he still alive...

Lol the local sports guy relying on Yahoo Sports to break the news he should be breaking.

[sammy]

Good riddance

GTFO Hater!

[soxxx]

Im gunna miss these guys when they are gone...I just want it to go on forever.....hopefully one more time.

[SPURt]

He was very effective in his 19 mins a game for 50+ games. To put Manu's season into perspective he averages more points and assist than Shaun Livingston in similar minutes. To get Manu at the minimum would be great.

[Canyonero]

Best Spur guard ever helping his team per par :worthy:

[apalisoc_9]

With a lesser role, hed be even more effective.

[peacemaker885]

As expected, players doing their part in this offseason per par

[cutewizard]

Manu has the Spurs team always as number one in his heart and mind. Thinks what is best for his team....

[cjw]

At this point in his career, Manu is a vet minimum guy.

No, he's not. He's vastly underpaid at the vet minimum. Yes, he's limited to 20 minutes per game but still is playing at a high level. He's not at ring chaser level like many of these vet mins.

High usage while he was on the floor - just under Butler, Klay and Dirk and ahead of Bosh, Conley, KAT. Above average shooting and high assist rates (turnovers high too).

3rd last year in RPM among SG behind Harden and Butler, and only guy over +1 oRPM and dRPM.

If he can do that in even 15 minutes per game to run the bench units, he's worth well more than the vets min.

[myhc]

I have no problem with Manu giving us 1 more year. Sure he can only play 15-20 mins a night but he's still effective. And if he signs for the minimum, that's a bargain.

[hater]

Good riddance

[T Park]

Manu Ginobili is still a damn good player 20 mins a night.

I think spacing out his minutes better would help as well. Who knows what happens with this offseason though.

If they sign Conley, Parker and Manu coming off the bench is pretty damn potent.

[montgod]

I have no problem with Manu giving us 1 more year. Sure he can only play 15-20 mins a night but he's still effective. And if he signs for the minimum, that's a bargain.

Bingo!


Manu Ginobili is still a damn good player 20 mins a night.

I think spacing out his minutes better would help as well. Who knows what happens with this offseason though.

If they sign Conley, Parker and Manu coming off the bench is pretty damn potent.

Not really in favor of Conley (and especially not Conley and Parker) but would love the idea of him returning for that kind of pay with his skillset even at this stage for at least one more year.

[Keepin' it real]

Just understand that Manu can no longer play significant (by that, I mean meaningful 4th quarter) playoff minutes. He's past that point. If he wants to come back to mentor young players and help the Spurs get a few regular season wins, that's fine.

I would therefore expect no more DNP-old because the Spurs have no reason to "save" him for the playoffs. He should be glued to the bench by late April.

[Strategic]

Pretty much over the nostalgia part of these guys coming back. That said, I'm sure there is a huge financial boon for the owners in having Manu on the court. I think Pop underused Manu last year. Wouldn't mind seeing him next year as a contributor.

[TheGreatYacht]

He won't have a reduced role, and y'all know this. He'll be ball dominant like he always has and he's just not good enough anymore to do that. His playmaking went down the drain this year and his defense is Gary Neal-esque at this point. The bench got exposed last year and it'll continue if he's still the 6th man.

2013 playoffs: 11.5PPG, 39.9FG%
2014 playoffs: 14.3PPG, 43.9FG%
2015 playoffs: 8.0PPG, 34.9FG%
2016 playoffs: 6.7PPG, 43.6FG%

Sign Bazemore or Lin. Move on.

[cjw]

He won't have a reduced role, and y'all know this. He'll be ball dominant like he always has and he's just not good enough anymore to do that. His playmaking went down the drain this year and his defense is Gary Neal-esque at this point. The bench got exposed last year and it'll continue if he's still the 6th man.

2013 playoffs: 11.5PPG, 39.9FG%
2014 playoffs: 14.3PPG, 43.9FG%
2015 playoffs: 8.0PPG, 34.9FG%
2016 playoffs: 6.7PPG, 43.6FG%

Sign Bazemore or Lin. Move on.

Bazemore is going to cost you eight figures. Lin less, but still not cheap. Manu can be signed at the vet minimum once all is said and done.

Not comparable.

[TheGoldStandard]

15 minutes a night for a guy who will at least control the ball 60% of the time. I can live with that during this transitional period. Cap space does not allow us to hit a real big home run this year. Lets bolster the bench and next season get a better front court.

[ulosturedge]

He's no worse then Tony Parker tbh..

[TheGoldStandard]

He's no worse then Tony Parker tbh..

And far less expensive.

[K...]

And far less expensive.

Look up "sunk costs" good economics lesson

[montgod]

Bazemore, Turner, and H Barnes are going to show what overpriced will be this offseason. Watch...

[TheGreatYacht]

He's no worse then Tony Parker tbh..
Yes he is, lmao.

[ulosturedge]

Yes he is, lmao.

I'd rather see Manu run the offense then Tony. Defense is a wash at best.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'd rather see Manu run the offense then Tony. Defense is a wash at best.
:pop: As soon as I substituted it all went to crap


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRFUDuJ0RE&feature=share


No one on that second unit should come back IMO, rebuild

[SupremeGuy]

Manu is like 5 years older than porker and was still out balling him... smh you parkertards are a cancer on this forum :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu is like 5 years older than porker and was still out balling him... smh you parkertards are a cancer on this forum :lol
Manure might've balled out in your mouth, but he sure as fuck didn't ball out in the playoffs :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorY3qkS59k&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4D0M9zTRw&feature=share

Tony Parker 2016 playoffs:
26.4MPG, 10.4PPG, 2.2RPG, 5.3APG, 44.9FG%

Manure Ginobili 2016 playoffs:
19.2MPG, 6.7PPG, 2.7RPG, 2.5APG, 42.6FG%

[TheGoldStandard]

Manure might've balled out in your mouth, but he sure as fuck didn't ball out in the playoffs :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorY3qkS59k&feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4D0M9zTRw&feature=share

Tony Parker 2016 playoffs:
26.4MPG, 10.4PPG, 2.2RPG, 5.3APG, 44.9FG%

Manure Ginobili 2016 playoffs:
19.2MPG, 6.7PPG, 2.7RPG, 2.5APG, 42.6FG%

Those stats and difference in price tags. lol..

[TheGreatYacht]

Those stats and difference in price tags. lol..
You don't want to see the difference if you take out the Grizzlies series where Manure wasted his load, lol.

Manure had the same price tag when he cost the Spurs a ship in 13' :downspin:

[SAGirl]

He will probably be back bc we project to have too much youth now for once if RC is bringing one or more foreign stashes in. They appeared to have researched some local kids from the NCAA extensively, so even if they are unable to trade up in the draft they might bring someone in still with the 29th pick. That's 3 rookies right there.

Then we still have KA, maybe Boban, Simmons. That's just too many young guys with possibilities for bench bench roles.

POP is going to want Manu to mentor and help. In an ideal scenario some of these young guys,break out of their training wheels and we don't need to rely on Manu. It's the farewell tour. For sure that helps the franchise financially too. It's after all a business.

[Kawhitstorm]

Tony Parker 2016 playoffs:
26.4MPG, 10.4PPG, 2.2RPG, 5.3APG, 44.9FG%

Manure Ginobili 2016 playoffs:
19.2MPG, 6.7PPG, 2.7RPG, 2.5APG, 42.6FG%

Conclusion: They are BOTH trash except Porker is going to make 30 mill the next two seasons.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Would want to wait for someone to actually embed the tweet. But yeah, this should happen with Manu and Duncan no matter what. I've said before that there's almost no upside in them opting in.

They would have to be renounced otherwise their cap hold is worse than them opting-in, hopefully it means that they are signing for the vet min.

[SpursFan86]

I'll absolutely take Manu for the vet minimum...that's still a great deal for someone of his caliber.

The problem is, I don't want the FO to just re-sign Manu for the vet min and then still rely on him to be the main driving force off the bench. I still think Manu is a solid player, but relying on him to consistently run the 2nd unit and be the 6th man night in and night out isn't the best idea at this stage in his career. Some nights, sure, he'll be able to play that role. But we still need to go out and get a playmaker off the bench even if Manu does come back.

[SAGirl]

I'll absolutely take Manu for the vet minimum...that's still a great deal for someone of his caliber.

The problem is, I don't want the FO to just re-sign Manu for the vet min and then still rely on him to be the main driving force off the bench. I still think Manu is a solid player, but relying on him to consistently run the 2nd unit and be the 6th man night in and night out isn't the best idea at this stage in his career. Some nights, sure, he'll be able to play that role. But we still need to go out and get a playmaker off the bench even if Manu does come back.
Your concern is one I share. He's fine helping and mentoring. Him and Timmy are the best teammates ever. But Pop's is too used to relying on him and now it's gotten to the point it's too much. He can't be that guy anymore and neither can Mills for that matter. Pop needs to start relying on someone else. Hopefully he's training his replacements and someone loses his training wheels during the course of the season.

[HarlemHeat37]

Manu at minimum or near-minimum is ridiculous value, tbh..

[gambit1990]

Those stats and difference in price tags. lol..
hopefully we trade parker and that results in less shitty posts by thegreatcunt.

[tholdren]

No, he's not. He's vastly underpaid at the vet minimum. Yes, he's limited to 20 minutes per game but still is playing at a high level. He's not at ring chaser level like many of these vet mins.

High usage while he was on the floor - just under Butler, Klay and Dirk and ahead of Bosh, Conley, KAT. Above average shooting and high assist rates (turnovers high too).

3rd last year in RPM among SG behind Harden and Butler, and only guy over +1 oRPM and dRPM.

If he can do that in even 15 minutes per game to run the bench units, he's worth well more than the vets min.
WHEN ADVANCED STATS GO WRONG:
anything citing harden as a good basketball player. W..... T....... F.... dude

[TD 21]

I don't know why anyone would think Ginobili is going to re-sign for less. Duncan, West and him, were never going to pick up their well below market value player options. They only signed for what they did because those were the exact numbers required to make last season's team work financially.

That's no longer the case, so they can sign for a more representative number.

[cjw]

WHEN ADVANCED STATS GO WRONG:
anything citing harden as a good basketball player. W..... T....... F.... dude


Ball hog, yes and turns the ball over ... crappy defender, yes. Turnovers a problem.

But you're insane to think he's not a very good offensive player. Great scorer without being inefficient (getting to FT line helps efficiency) and a very good rebounder for a 2.

I wasn't trying to prove that Harden's an elite player so stop putting words in my mouth. I was comparing other SG to Ginobili who people think isn't worth the vet's minimum. Give me a break.

Don't bother responding because no need to read your posts anymore with many more quality posters on here.

[DPG21920]

The good news is we knew West was opting out. It never made sense for Tim/Manu to no opt out as well and with Manu actually doing that, SA is in great shape. If Manu/Tim don't retire, it looks like they are setting up SA to do their thing in Free Agency and will take what's left which is boss.

If SA whiffs on their plans, then they can reward Tim/Manu with a nice 1-year deal. It's literally a win-win and thanks to Manu/Tim if this actually pans out to where they take what's left over (likely the min).

[spurtech09]

Better get KD nowThat easy?

[bklynspursfan]

The good news is we knew West was opting out. It never made sense for Tim/Manu to no opt out as well and with Manu actually doing that, SA is in great shape. If Manu/Tim don't retire, it looks like they are setting up SA to do their thing in Free Agency and will take what's left which is boss.

If SA whiffs on their plans, then they can reward Tim/Manu with a nice 1-year deal. It's literally a win-win and thanks to Manu/Tim if this actually pans out to where they take what's left over (likely the min).

+1

[look_at_g_shred]

The good news is we knew West was opting out. It never made sense for Tim/Manu to no opt out as well and with Manu actually doing that, SA is in great shape. If Manu/Tim don't retire, it looks like they are setting up SA to do their thing in Free Agency and will take what's left which is boss.

If SA whiffs on their plans, then they can reward Tim/Manu with a nice 1-year deal. It's literally a win-win and thanks to Manu/Tim if this actually pans out to where they take what's left over (likely the min).
Let's say SA's #1 target in FA is Durant and he signs elsewhere. Who do you think is the backup plan?

[Obstructed_View]

Let's say SA's #1 target in FA is Durant and he signs elsewhere. Who do you think is the backup plan?
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[RD2191]

https://marzdailymedia.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/dwight.jpg

:lol

[spursistan]

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We could be actually heading to the scenario we least expected: Manu playing for 1 more year while Tim retires.

[UZER]

Manu will come back, play 15 min a game and every other game, then be pops go to guy off the bench in the playoffs again while other teams run circles around him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu will come back, play 15 min a game and every other game, then be pops go to guy off the bench in the playoffs again while other teams run circles around him.

[tholdren]

Conclusion: They are BOTH trash except Porker is going to make 30 mill the next two seasons.:lol
You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.

[cjw]

You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.

You expect ten year olds to understand anything except counting stats?

Some people will never get over Manu's game 7 in 2006 or game 6 in 2013. He's still one of the best guys coming off the bench in the league on a per minute basis. Just can't count on him for more than 20.

[spursistan]

745684072467410946

[HI-FI]

Manu will come back, play 15 min a game and every other game, then be pops go to guy off the bench in the playoffs again while other teams run circles around him.
:pop: get over yourself, he's Manu Ginobili.

[Kawhitstorm]

You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.

ManUre has been getting benched in key moments the past two postseasons b/c he can't guard anyone.:lol

[T Park]

Just understand that Manu can no longer play significant (by that, I mean meaningful 4th quarter) playoff minutes. He's past that point. If he wants to come back to mentor young players and help the Spurs get a few regular season wins, that's fine.

I would therefore expect no more DNP-old because the Spurs have no reason to "save" him for the playoffs. He should be glued to the bench by late April.

completely idiotic

[TheGreatYacht]

ManUre has been getting benched in key moments the past two postseasons b/c he can't guard anyone.:lol

[Keepin' it real]

completely idiotic

Not at all. 2010 Manu ... heck, 2014 Manu is long gone.

6.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game in the 2016 playoffs.

And he'll be another year older plus having played in the Olympics. He should retire.

I love Manu, but that's just the truth.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Not at all. 2010 Manu ... heck, 2014 Manu is long gone.

6.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game in the 2016 playoffs.

And he'll be another year older plus having played in the Olympics. He should retire.

I love Manu, but that's just the truth.


You guys are idiots. Look at advanced for the playoffs, not per game stats. Manu, for as bad as he was, was still the most consistent and efficient G other than KL. It was KL/LMA then manu.... not much else to say.


You expect ten year olds to understand anything except counting stats?

Some people will never get over Manu's game 7 in 2006 or game 6 in 2013. He's still one of the best guys coming off the bench in the league on a per minute basis. Just can't count on him for more than 20.

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One of the best bench players in the league period.

[HarlemHeat37]

Manu returning is great value, but they desperately need to add another perimeter creator off the bench..they tried with Kevin Martin, but obviously failed..

It's a disservice to both Manu and Parker that the Spurs have yet to find another playmaker on the perimeter to remove some of the load off them..the decline of both players has been exacerbated by the over-reliance on them as creators..

[SAGirl]

They likely will attempt to address that ^^^ through FA and the draft this season.

[ElNono]

haters gonna hate, tbh... he didn't even play 20 mpg last season, and it's clear he had plenty left in the tank... he just can't still be the best player off the bench at this point, tbh...

I mean, if there's room for Matt fucking Bonner, just give me Gino anyday...

[ElNono]

Manu returning is great value, but they desperately need to add another perimeter creator off the bench..they tried with Kevin Martin, but obviously failed..

It's a disservice to both Manu and Parker that the Spurs have yet to find another playmaker on the perimeter to remove some of the load off them..the decline of both players has been exacerbated by the over-reliance on them as creators..

Conley could help there, but really, the issue is also how we're going to play... if we're going back to ISO after ISO in the post, then I don't know you need much creation... it's more about having shot-makers, IMO.

[SAGirl]

haters gonna hate, tbh... he didn't even play 20 mpg last season, and it's clear he had plenty left in the tank... he just can't still be the best player off the bench at this point, tbh...

I mean, if there's room for Matt fucking Bonner, just give me Gino anyday...
Not hating but it's clear you agree he just can't be the epicenter in the bench as he was. Neither can Mills IMO. I think that experiment failed. Anyways I think the backcourt is their priority either in the draft or FA. We are coming out from this summer with at least one younger playmaker.

[HarlemHeat37]

Conley could help there, but really, the issue is also how we're going to play... if we're going back to ISO after ISO in the post, then I don't know you need much creation... it's more about having shot-makers, IMO.

With the starting unit, yes, but the bench's style didn't change dramatically..the over-reliance on Manu is evident, the players next to him tend to struggle when he's off his game(particularly Mills)..

[Skoobz]

Now we need to find a way to lighten the load of Tony's contract. Don't we still have an amnesty available? Then resign him for less......hell nobody else would take his contract vs his output.

[ElNono]

With the starting unit, yes, but the bench's style didn't change dramatically..the over-reliance on Manu is evident, the players next to him tend to struggle when he's off his game(particularly Mills)..

Yeah, plus Bobo was terrible, West was terrible too, Kyle was clearly not ready. I actually expect a lot of movement in that area this summer, trying to rebuild the bench.

[ElNono]

Now we need to find a way to lighten the load of Tony's contract. Don't we still have an amnesty available? Then resign him for less......hell nobody else would take his contract vs his output.

I don't think the amnesty is available anymore since he's on a new deal. There's no reducing that contract, Spurs going to have to work around it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, at least they already have in-house, cheap options for the secondary creator in Anderson and Simmons..I'm not a fan of the latter and there's a love/hate relationship on ST with Anderson, but both players are at a point where they need to produce, next season(Simmons because of his age, and Anderson because next season will be make or break IMO)..

I would rather go with a bigger name(like a Fournier) off the bench, but it's currently tough to project how much money mid-tier players are going to be receiving, right now IMO..

[Skoobz]

I don't think the amnesty is available anymore since he's on a new deal. There's no reducing that contract, Spurs going to have to work around it.

Ah gotcha. I actually thought it didn't matter when the contract was signed....that's a bitch if true tbh fwiw.

[Skoobz]

Good to see ya around BillMc

[BillMc]

Good to see ya around BillMc
Cheers man!:toast

Manu has a slot on this team as long as he wants, especially if it is a minimum deal. His leadership alone is worth it.

[kaji157]

It´s a great move by Manu, he gave up guaranteed money that was below market value for him just to help the team. That´s what leaders do. Third time in a row he has done this. He and Duncan should hve a statue made with the money the spurs saved off them.

About Manu being on the team i am going to be this simple, if you can find better players than him for him for the same pricetag, let him go, if not, just accept the reality that the guy still is better than 50% of the league.

[Gervin44Silas13]

sorry its time for Manu to pack up and call it quits hes playing this summer which is gonna BE more miles on him....if I were the Spurs and he wants to play for Argentina Id say fuck no.....if he is gonna come back ....and besides look at how many titles this guy costed us playing in the summer getting hurt during the season........

Spurs gotta get young and athletic....Sorry Manu fans its time to let go!!!! Thank you for everything Manu your number is already in place up in the rafters.

[Gervin44Silas13]

Not at all. 2010 Manu ... heck, 2014 Manu is long gone.

6.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists per game in the 2016 playoffs.

And he'll be another year older plus having played in the Olympics. He should retire.

I love Manu, but that's just the truth.

I agree

[UZER]

Manu returning is great value, but they desperately need to add another perimeter creator off the bench..they tried with Kevin Martin, but obviously failed..

It's a disservice to both Manu and Parker that the Spurs have yet to find another playmaker on the perimeter to remove some of the load off them..the decline of both players has been exacerbated by the over-reliance on them as creators..

Been saying this for a long time. It's not their fault they aged. Unfortunately in the heat of the moment, they take the criticism because they are on the ones on the court (from myself included). But it really falls on Pop and the front office. They've had years to find replacements but Pops super short leash on new guys makes it difficult. That's why I keep saying as long as they are around, Pop will go with what he knows and ride them till the boat sinks. He can't NOT play them.