George Hill Traded to the Jazz

[Robz4000]

Damn, just got sent to purgatory tbh. Jeff Teague was sent to the Pacers in the deal as well fwiw.

[Dancelot]

I wonder what Atlanta gets?

[Robz4000]

I wonder what Atlanta gets?

#12 pick

[baseline bum]

I wonder what Atlanta gets?

12th pick from Utah. Because trading a pick for George Hill worked out so well last time. :lol

[FlAVaK]

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[Dancelot]

12th pick from Utah. Because trading a pick for George Hill worked out so well last time. :lol
:lol

[Nathan89]

In a few year G.Hill will be worth a top 10 pick.

[Mr. Body]

After so many years, George Hill goes from #15 pick in the draft value to #12.

[Chinook]

The spike in Hill's value is simply a reflection of where Utah is in their development. The Pacers were willing to trade the 10th-overall pick in 2010 until Granger pointed them to George. Anyways, though, he was a better Pacer than he was a Spur.

[cd021]

12th pick from Utah. Because trading a pick for George Hill worked out so well last time. :lol

:lol:claw:lobt2:

[TheGreatYacht]

So Indiana really just got swapped George Hill for Jeff Teague?

:lol RC

[NASpurs]

Just thinking out loud, makes you wonder what the Spurs could get for Danny. Not saying I want him traded, just wondering.

[loveforthegame]

Poor Hill.

[baseline bum]

Poor Hill.

Nah man, he's pretty rich.

[raybies]

Just thinking out loud, makes you wonder what the Spurs could get for Danny. Not saying I want him traded, just wondering.

For real!

[TheGreatYacht]

That 12th pick was ours. Damn it

[Mr. Body]

Poor Hill.

I dunno. I think Utah is a playoff ten next year.

[gambit1990]

great trade for indy. if they're just giving up hill for teague.

[mo7888]

Just thinking out loud, makes you wonder what the Spurs could get for Danny. Not saying I want him traded, just wondering.

Good point....It seems that we are undervaluing him here....he might bring a better pick than we realize.

[SAGirl]

Just thinking out loud, makes you wonder what the Spurs could get for Danny. Not saying I want him traded, just wondering.
He's the best asset to get in the lottery not named LMA or Kawhi. I think Tony has a market as well to some teams, but in his case one has to question the FO willingness.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Atlanta taking Baldwin with 12th, not bad value for Teague. A decent trade for everyone really.

[cjw]

Salaries are identical on Hill and Teague at $8 million (both FA after this year). This may give Atlanta some cap space and a trade exception? Plus a pick?

Not bad heading into FA. Well done Bud.

[TheCerebral1]

Great deal for Indiana.

[Keepin' it real]

Isn't Teague like, really good?

[szkorhetz]

Why Utah, Why?

They have 4 PG's right now..
Neto could be a fit for us, TBH.

[Chinook]

Isn't Teague like, really good?

No.

[montgod]

Salaries are identical on Hill and Teague at $8 million (both FA after this year). This may give Atlanta some cap space and a trade exception? Plus a pick?

Not bad heading into FA. Well done Bud.

Technically with trade kicker, Teague gets like 8.4 a year now but still a good trade.

[montgod]

Why Utah, Why?

They have 4 PG's right now..
Neto could be a fit for us, TBH.

Probably just 3 pgs, I don't see Utah picking up option on Mack after this trade.

[szkorhetz]

Probably just 3 pgs, I don't see Utah picking up option on Mack after this trade.
Burke, Hill, Neto, Exum. Hill and Exum could play the 2, but Burks and Hood aren't SF's. I think Hayward will be traded.

It's really hard to see why did they do it, TBH.

[montgod]

Burke, Hill, Neto, Exum. Hill and Exum could play the 2, but Burks and Hood aren't SF's. I think Hayward will be traded.

It's really hard to see why did they do it, TBH.

Oops, forgot about Burke who really is an afterthought. No idea why they qualified him.

With that thought, it is a bit puzzling since Mack seemed to do a better job then everyone else on their roster that was healthy at pg. Well it's not like they don't have cap space... only spent like 63 mill last year. Will be interesting to see their next move.

[szkorhetz]

Oops, forgot about Burke who really is an afterthought. No idea why they qualified him.

With that thought, it is a bit puzzling since Mack seemed to do a better job then everyone else on their roster that was healthy at pg. Well it's not like they don't have cap space... only spent like 63 mill last year. Will be interesting to see their next move.
Hill did worth a 15th pick 5 years ago and I highly doubt he has a higher value right now.

[Captivus]

Is it confirmed that they get the pick??

[palangi]

Atlanta taking Baldwin with 12th, not bad value for Teague. A decent trade for everyone really.
What? Why? They have Schroeder. That's why they traded Teague.

[montgod]

What? Why? They have Schroeder. That's why they traded Teague.

Keep reading the threads... ATL is already shopping both of their picks in an effort to re-sign Horford

[objective]

Utah did great. Pacers not so much. Guy just had knee surgery.

Utah is guaranteed playoffs, maybe top 4 seed

[NASpurs]

ATL wants to get rid of their picks

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[TheGoldStandard]

ATL wants to get rid of their picks

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Kyle Anderson anyone?

[Sean Cagney]

ATL wants to get rid of their picks

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Let us have that 12th one PLEASE........

[palangi]

Keep reading the threads... ATL is already shopping both of their picks in an effort to re-sign Horford
Yeah I figured as much. I was just wondering why he would even think they would take a PG when they traded one to free up playing time for Schroeder.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle Anderson anyone?
Doubt we even get an undrafted player for him. Throw in Manu and we get ourselves the last pick in the draft.

[Maddog]

Did Utah get anything other than Hill?
I'm amazed how overvalued he is....

[Kawhitstorm]

Atlanta taking Baldwin with 12th, not bad value for Teague. A decent trade for everyone really.

Why would they do that when what they NEED is a big wing. Baldwin might not end up being better than Bazemore & they already have Schroder. There are a bunch of backup PGs they can pick up later on in the draft.

[Kawhitstorm]

Did Utah get anything other than Hill?
I'm amazed how overvalued he is....

2014-15:
http://cdn.fansidedblogs.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/105/files/2015/04/george-hill.jpg

2015-16:


Hill was a consistent off-ball threat. So much so that the now 30-year-old shot 44.9 percent on catch-and-shoot three-pointers (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#%21/player/catchshoot/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3_PCT&dir=1&PerMode=Totals&CF=CATCH_SHOOT_PTS*GE*300) this season, which trailed only Stephen Curry (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71907/stephen-curry), J.J. Redick (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21613/j-j-redick), Kawhi Leonard (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/132534/kawhi-leonard), and Kyle Lowry (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/152220/kyle-lowry) (minimum 300 points scored off the pass).

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[palangi]

Its amazing how how some want to hate on Hill so much. This trade really helps Utah. They have a young up and coming team.


2014-15:
http://cdn.fansidedblogs.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/105/files/2015/04/george-hill.jpg

2015-16:



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[Kawhitstorm]

Burke, Hill, Neto, Exum. Hill and Exum could play the 2, but Burks and Hood aren't SF's. I think Hayward will be traded.

It's really hard to see why did they do it, TBH.

Trey Burkes sucks & will get traded for a 2nd rd pick while Neto is a 3rd string PG. Burks is a backup & Hood is a SG.

Gobert
Favors/Lyles
Hayward
Hood/Burks
Hill/Exum/Neto

[Darius McCrary]

I'd take him back fo sho

[Kawhitstorm]

Its amazing how how some want to hate on Hill so much. This trade really helps Utah. They have a young up and coming team.

Hill isn't a creative PG who's going to breakdown defenses or score on isolations (the reason why he gets so much hate) but he can play the Jason Terry role on offense while playing excellent defense. The Jazz have a slow tempo team so he fits in just fine & can play off the ball while Hayward/Hood run the offense.

[Mugen]

Bring him back.

#AuRevoirTony2016

[Maddog]

Its amazing how how some want to hate on Hill so much. This trade really helps Utah. They have a young up and coming team.


Hill isn't a creative PG who's going to breakdown defenses or score on isolations (the reason why he gets so much hate) but he can play the Jason Terry role on offense while playing excellent defense. The Jazz have a slow tempo team so he fits in just fine & can play off the ball while Hayward/Hood run the offense.

I may have been a little overly critical. Interestingly, the Spurs traded him for a 15th pick that in retrospect turned into an incredible steal- but at the time was a bit of a gamblek. Now Indy essentialy trading him for Teague. A good player who needs to be in the right situation.

The more I think about the odds the 12 pick will provide more help over the next 4 years than George is low. SWo I stand corrected.

[cjw]

Hill five years ago for the 15th pick is a lot more reasonable than Hill right now for the 12th pick. Both times one year from free agency, but this time not a RFA but a UFA.

Yes, he's been underrated but there's a cost to using up cap space and not having the cost controlled rookie deal under the $94 million cap.

Also, if he can net the 12th pick it makes me wonder what people would value Green at. Signed for three more years at below market price and two elite skills (dribbling is not one of them) at a shallow position.

[SpursforSix]

Hill five years ago for the 15th pick is a lot more reasonable than Hill right now for the 12th pick. Both times one year from free agency, but this time not a RFA but a UFA.

Yes, he's been underrated but there's a cost to using up cap space and not having the cost controlled rookie deal under the $94 million cap.

Also, if he can net the 12th pick it makes me wonder what people would value Green at. Signed for three more years at below market price and two elite skills (dribbling is not one of them) at a shallow position.

His defense is damn good. What's the other elite skill?

[tholdren]

The spike in Hill's value is simply a reflection of where Utah is in their development. The Pacers were willing to trade the 10th-overall pick in 2010 until Granger pointed them to George. Anyways, though, he was a better Pacer than he was a Spur.
THIS

Hill is mediocre at best

[cjw]

His defense is damn good. What's the other elite skill?

Green is 26th in NBA history in 3pt% and top 10 among active players. I'd call that elite.

[Spurs9]

Bud did us a solid last year with Splitter, he got us again tbh

[SpursforSix]

Green is 26th in NBA history in 3pt% and top 10 among active players. I'd call that elite.

I guess the stats bear it out. It just doesn't feel elite.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pretty decent trade for Utah, in the sense that Hill is a playable player, as opposed to Shelvin Mack or Trey Burke..they desperately need a legit backup PG, though, that team doesn't have any creators..

[tholdren]

whatever happened to trey burke?

[TD 21]

Just thinking out loud, makes you wonder what the Spurs could get for Danny. Not saying I want him traded, just wondering.

Probably about the same thing. In fact, I'm almost certain the Spurs could get 12 for Green straight up.

They're both 3 and D types, around the same age. The only differences are, Hill is a combo guard, Green is a wing and the former adds a dash of secondary ball handling.


Burke, Hill, Neto, Exum. Hill and Exum could play the 2, but Burks and Hood aren't SF's. I think Hayward will be traded.

It's really hard to see why did they do it, TBH.

No, it isn't.

Burke is all but guaranteed to be traded, Mack and Neto are third point guards (Mack is actually a combo guard), Exum is coming off of a serious injury and also a combo guard.

Hill is a perfect fit, on a young team that already has a cadre (Hayward, Hood, Burks, Exum) of wings and guards who provide varying degrees of ball handling/play making.

Hood is a small forward, he just primarily plays shooting guard because it allows for them to play their best players the most minutes together, similar to Middleton.

Hayward isn't going anywhere. It'll be Burke and probably eventually Burks, who'll go.

[HarlemHeat37]

Utah is probably a playoff team if they can acquire even just one single decent, legit PG IMO..even a mediocre, aging player like Jose Calderon would help, they just need a player that can get them into their offense and make open jump shots..

[phxspurfan]

Atlanta taking Baldwin with 12th, not bad value for Teague. A decent trade for everyone really.

Depends, Alec or Billy

[cjw]

I guess the stats bear it out. It just doesn't feel elite.

When he goes cold, he doesn't feel elite at all. In a way, it would be great if he could be 40% every game instead of 6/6 in some and 0/6 in others. He's had 21 games with at least 5 attempts and 1 or less makes. Mills' had 9. Kawhi's had 2. Manu's had 34 albeit in many more years.

Meanwhile Green's hit at least five threes 42 times, which blows everyone else out of the water. Icy - Hot at its finest.

[NASpurs]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4036340-155/utah-jazz-acquire-pacers-guard-george


Bill Neff, George Hill's agent, was candid about his client's love for the San Antonio Spurs on Wednesday afternoon. He was drafted by the Spurs. And even if he was traded to the Indiana Pacers from San Antonio, his intent a few years ago was to go back in free agency. He would've if the Spurs had more salary cap space.

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[Kawhitstorm]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4036340-155/utah-jazz-acquire-pacers-guard-george


Bill Neff, George Hill's agent, was candid about his client's love for the San Antonio Spurs on Wednesday afternoon. He was drafted by the Spurs. And even if he was traded to the Indiana Pacers from San Antonio, his intent a few years ago was to go back in free agency. He would've if the Spurs had more salary cap space.




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Next Summer::toast

[Kawhitstorm]

Utah is probably a playoff team if they can acquire even just one single decent, legit PG IMO..even a mediocre, aging player like Jose Calderon would help, they just need a player that can get them into their offense and make open jump shots..

Exum/Burks returning from injury should help & Hood showed he can run the offense in spot minutes ala Hayward.

[SpursforSix]

When he goes cold, he doesn't feel elite at all. In a way, it would be great if he could be 40% every game instead of 6/6 in some and 0/6 in others. He's had 21 games with at least 5 attempts and 1 or less makes. Mills' had 9. Kawhi's had 2. Manu's had 34 albeit in many more years.

Meanwhile Green's hit at least five threes 42 times, which blows everyone else out of the water. Icy - Hot at its finest.

I agree 100% with your comments. It makes me wonder if he would even be on a roster if it wasn't for his defense. I imagine there are many basketball players that are streaky like Green but are so inconsistent that they never make it.

[adonis827]

So who is better Jeff Teague or George Hill? If you are Utah who do you prefer for your #12?

[Chinook]

I agree 100% with your comments. It makes me wonder if he would even be on a roster if it wasn't for his defense. I imagine there are many basketball players that are streaky like Green but are so inconsistent that they never make it.

Nah. Green's not any more streaky than Bowen. He's just a volume shooter, and most Spurs aren't when they're missing threes.

[tonight...you]

Pretty decent trade for Utah, in the sense that Hill is a playable player, as opposed to Shelvin Mack or Trey Burke..they desperately need a legit backup PG, though, that team doesn't have any creators..
Lord... what the hell happened to Exum, eh?
Super bust that know one gives two shits about.

[99 Problems]

Lord... what the hell happened to Exum, eh?
Super bust that know one gives two shits about.


You not aware of ACL??

[tonight...you]

You not aware of ACL??
Yes, I'm aware... I was referring more to the lack of attention to his place in the draft and the bustyness he's emitting in comparison.

[SpursforSix]

Nah. Green's not any more streaky than Bowen. He's just a volume shooter, and most Spurs aren't when they're missing threes.

I'm not sure your point. My point was that I think there are plenty of players that can shoot like Green. That is if they're hot, they can have games where they go 4/5. But on the flip side, they go 1/5. But because Green can play D, he's on the court way more.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Isn't Teague like, really good?

No, not at all. Below avr starting pg in this league.

[J_Paco]

Utah is probably a playoff team if they can acquire even just one single decent, legit PG IMO..even a mediocre, aging player like Jose Calderon would help, they just need a player that can get them into their offense and make open jump shots..

Umm, didn't they just acquire that player in Hill? His playmaking skills aren't that great but he's improved a lot at running a NBA offense.

I really don't like this trade for Indiana if they are going run Teague at PG and Ellis at SG. That is a defensive disaster waiting to happen, IMO.

[HarlemHeat37]

Umm, didn't they just acquire that player in Hill? His playmaking skills aren't that great but he's improved a lot at running a NBA offense.

I really don't like this trade for Indiana if they are going run Teague at PG and Ellis at SG. That is a defensive disaster waiting to happen, IMO.

I don't believe Hill can efficiently and consistently run an offense..he has improved, sure, but he's still far from a natural PG..his ball-handling and passing skills are very underwhelming for an NBA PG IMO..

Indiana used him as an off-guard for most of the season, while running Ellis at PG..Hill can certainly play some minutes at PG at an effective level, but I can't imagine a successful offense with Hill as the primary PG/facilitator..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Why would they do that when what they NEED is a big wing. Baldwin might not end up being better than Bazemore & they already have Schroder. There are a bunch of backup PGs they can pick up later on in the draft.

Presuming they traded for the pick to use it and not necessarily as part of another transaction, I think Baldwin would be great for them, he can back up Shroeder and also play next to him as he's big and long enough. They may also look at Richardson or D. Murray, of course, but then again they're Atlanta and they're shitty at drafting.

[J_Paco]

I don't believe Hill can efficiently and consistently run an offense..he has improved, sure, but he's still far from a natural PG..his ball-handling and passing skills are very underwhelming for an NBA PG IMO..

Indiana used him as an off-guard for most of the season, while running Ellis at PG..Hill can certainly play some minutes at PG at an effective level, but I can't imagine a successful offense with Hill as the primary PG/facilitator..

The season prior he was the primary ball handler when he returned from injury and posted career high's across the board. Any backcourt mate that has Ellis beside him is going to be stifled statistically since he's so ball-dominant (and inefficient). They have enough players that can be secondary playmakers/ball handlers (ala Exum, Burks and Hayward) that he won't be burdened with being the full-time PG.

Plus, he can actually play well off-ball and also is effective in catch-and-shot situations which is something they sorely lacked from nearly all (minus Hood) their other perimeter players. He's a huge, huge upgrade over Mack (who I like as a 3rd PG), Burke (bust) and Neto (too unathletic), while allowing them to reassess their PG situation next summer.