Spurs Select G Dejounte Murray in 2016 NBA Draft

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No you are not. Church of Anderson is still alive and kicking with a few closet members here and there.

Me too.

[Ditty]

Going back to the 2013. Outside of Livio Jean Charles, only Allen Crabbe (Who I actually wanted that draft) is the only legit NBA player to be picked after him. I know a lot of people on here wanted Jamaal Franklin that draft also and he isn't in the league anymore. Charles showed some athleticism/shot blocking promise that we may need from a big man in the summer league, and he supposedly tore it up in the Nike Hoop Summit against the USA team that season so can't blame them for taking him.

2014 you may have a little bit more of an argument with taking Anderson, but of course the "beautiful game" was what the Spurs were all about after beating Miami. Jordan Clarkson might be the best player after Anderson taken in that draft. At the same time he could be of product of being apart of a shitty team. Jokic seems to be pretty legit player also, and dominated the Spurs that one game this season. You could also make an argument he is a product of being good on a shitty team. McDaniels was the player I wanted late in that draft, and he has looked pretty legit when he is on the floor. There must be something going on in Houston, or the Rockets are just a shitty team. I'll take the latter. Anderson probably has flashed more outside of those three guys, and is only 22 younger than the two american players.

Still too early on Milutinov just like the two other guys who guys are already claiming they're "busts", but early reviews are that he is looking solid. So you can't actually say the Spurs haven't hit home runs yet with these picks being so young, as two of them would of just graduated last month if they were in college.

[TrainOfThought5]

Murray/Simmons fast break gonna be fun to watch.

Throwing the ball into the stands, or the forced drive into a turnover/block?

[palangi]

Throwing the ball into the stands, or the forced drive into a turnover/block?
Or actually being able to finish at the rim

[daslicer]

I'm just going to wait and see how this kid pans out. ST crowned Kyle Anderson a few years ago as the second coming of Magic Johnson and we saw how that turned out.

[dabom]

I'm just going to wait and see how this kid pans out. ST crowned Kyle Anderson a few years ago as the second coming of Magic Johnson and we saw how that turned out.

I didn't crown shit. Along with a lot of other respectable posters. Go to his church. :lmao

[Solid D]

looks like fat head on the trading block..Murray getting that #1 jersey

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Initial draft photos of first round picks almost always have the player's jersey with #1. Fathead is not giving up his number.

I like the pick. Player development is a hallmark of the Spurs.

[TrainOfThought5]

He should play immediately unless he's just dreadful. Other than Parker and Kawhi, literally no one else on the roster can dribble a basketball and the only thing we're playing for next year is to see how many reg season wins we can pull off. Unless Simmons or this new kid, DJM, becomes a 3rd of a surprise triumvirate, we've got nothing good coming our way in the playoffs, if we somehow get that far playing barely functional iso-ball like in this past playoffs.

We desperately need a vet ballhandler/penetrator/distributor off the bench to take the burden from Manu.

[Samr]

I didn't crown shit. Along with a lot of other respectable posters. Go to his church. :lmao


ST still has respectable posters?

Damn yall, the Internet is funny.

[dabom]

ST still has respectable posters?

Damn yall, the Internet is funny.
:lol

[spursistan]

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did these sycophantic pop sucking media faggots not see what happened with fat head?

And what's that, jackass?

[dabom]

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Dude has the starting spot locked. Tony just keeping it warm for a bit. :toast

[Ditty]

A little shorter Shaun Livingston just pops out at me <3

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[TrainOfThought5]

did these sycophantic pop sucking media faggots not see what happened with fat head?

Fathead is going to be productive off the bench this year. 3rd year magic. Mark my words.

[dabom]

Fathead is going to be productive off the bench this year. 3rd year magic. Mark my words.
:rollin

[tbdog]

Spurs didn't develop Mahimni.
Spurs got one solid season out of Splitter. Talk about overrated AF. He hasn't played more than 60 games in a season but once. Decent NBA player that doesn't really excel at anything.
CoJo was and is nothing special. His defense is decent/good but, he's still a below average offensive player. He's not a pg because he's a poor playmaker. He's not a good shooting guard because he's not much of a shooter. He's a decent role player that you could live with or without.
James Anderson is the definition of a fringe NBA talent.
Blair was nothing special and he was considered by many to be lottery talent. :lol How many different teams has he played for now?


Some decent players in there but, none of these guys turned out to be steals in the draft. And with the exception of Anderson, NONE of them are playing for the Spurs.

Depends on what you define as steals of the draft. There are few times a player picked that low becomes a stud. Butler is an example of one. It happens. But we have usually drafted playoff worthy rotational players. We gave up early one one, Mahinmi. Had say what you want about Splitter, it is not like you can predict injuries. As far as I know, he didn't have injury issues at the time of drafting. And Joseph is a fine player and probably played better than our two pg's Parker and Mills. Some here would prefer Joseph starting for Parker if he was still here.

[palangi]

He is a lot more explosive and faster than Livingston. Not a good comparison.

You hope after watching that film that as he matures and grows and gets strength he could be a Westbrook lite. He is scary in the open court.

[Spur|n|Austin]

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lol ok Skip

[Ditty]

He is a lot more explosive and faster than Livingston. Not a good comparison.

You hope after watching that film that as he matures and grows and gets strength he could be a Westbrook lite. He is scary in the open court.

Livingston was pretty quick before his leg injury from what I remember, and at times even at 30 has shown some pretty damn good explosiveness in the open court so it's not a bad comparison at this point imo. Of course Murray is already a better shooter than him probably, and better natural ability to get into the paint. Though I hope he will have that great basketball IQ, and passing ability Livington shown one day tbh. He sure has shown a lot of flashes of it. Westbrook is an athletic freak, those guys with that amount of talent don't come around much especially late in the 1st. Of course him turning into Livingston won't be a bad consolation prize, but I understand we want him to be the next great player in this league.

[spurraider21]

Eh this guys stats are pretty bad for an nba calibre player. 3 turnovers a game and 29% outside shooting? Ouch...hopefully the fo sees something in him that im not.
Well unlike you I'm sure their research was more than a 10 second Google search of his stats so I'm sure they do see more

[ace3g]

Tim C TIMC_LA
(https://twitter.com/TimC_LA) Dude on Spurs reddit called him Dijon Mustard. Nobody's coming up with a better nickname than that.

[loveforthegame]

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I like it. :tu

[024]

I like the pick. Good athleticism and oversized for the PG position. He definitely looks like a project though. He's like 170lbs :lol Hopefully he can add 15-20 pounds without losing his speed. If he can keep up defensively against shorter point guards, his size and length will be very nice against Curry and Westbrook.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Going back to the 2013. Outside of Livio Jean Charles, only Allen Crabbe (Who I actually wanted that draft) is the only legit NBA player to be picked after him. I know a lot of people on here wanted Jamaal Franklin that draft also and he isn't in the league anymore. Charles showed some athleticism/shot blocking promise that we may need from a big man in the summer league, and he supposedly tore it up in the Nike Hoop Summit against the USA team that season so can't blame them for taking him.

2014 you may have a little bit more of an argument with taking Anderson, but of course the "beautiful game" was what the Spurs were all about after beating Miami. Jordan Clarkson might be the best player after Anderson taken in that draft. At the same time he could be of product of being apart of a shitty team. Jokic seems to be pretty legit player also, and dominated the Spurs that one game this season. You could also make an argument he is a product of being good on a shitty team. McDaniels was the player I wanted late in that draft, and he has looked pretty legit when he is on the floor. There must be something going on in Houston, or the Rockets are just a shitty team. I'll take the latter. Anderson probably has flashed more outside of those three guys, and is only 22 younger than the two american players.

Still too early on Milutinov just like the two other guys who guys are already claiming they're "busts", but early reviews are that he is looking solid. So you can't actually say the Spurs haven't hit home runs yet with these picks being so young, as two of them would of just graduated last month if they were in college.

Good post bru

[Mikeanaro]

Spurs always pick nigs with bad names Jajuan, Dejuan, Dejounte, Deshaun and lots of Andersons.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__g5WXkA_I

[cutewizard]

Splitter at center, Durant and LMA at forwards,

Kawhi and Murray at guards!

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not bad hey.....

[cutewizard]

Spurs are assembling a tremendously athletic backcourt of the future:

With Kawhi Leonard, J Simmons and Murray!!!!!

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!

more to come, I assume......

[Mal]

Chad Ford ESPN Senior Writer http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/ford_chad_m.jpg
The San Antonio Spurs select Washington PG DeJounte Murray with the No. 29 pick. Steal of the draft. He was ranked No. 9 on my final Big Board bling, athletic and a great feel. If his shooting improves he could be the best PG in the draft. He could be an All-Star someday. Seriously. Typical Spurs. They got a lottery pick at 29.

Same shit went about Fathead

[objective]

Pelton's analytic projection numbers on him were pretty bad, enough that he has significant bust potential. In fact for his analytic mock draft on what teams should do he had Murray at 31.

[TheMulletMan3000]

Fathead is going to be productive off the bench this year. 3rd year magic. Mark my words.

Fathead was decent last year. People are too hard on him for no apparent reason. He's 22 and already slightly above average. Looking at 2014 draft, he is fifth in WS/48 (played at least 10 MPG). He is going to be a very good player.

[TheCerebral1]

Eh this guys stats are pretty bad for an nba calibre player. 3 turnovers a game and 29% outside shooting? Ouch...hopefully the fo sees something in him that im not.

He has upside and Kawai coming into the NBA, couldn't shoot a lick. Let Englannd have a shot before you bash the pick. He gets to the rim and can pass.

[TheMulletMan3000]

Pelton's analytic projection numbers on him were pretty bad, enough that he has significant bust potential. In fact for his analytic mock draft on what teams should do he had Murray at 31.

Selected on pure potential. His advanced college stats are average at best. He's one big project, basically. Nowhere near rotation NBA player for now but he's gifted physically, no doubt.
Kawhi's first college season
109.5 ORTG, 90.6 DRTG, 0.188 WS/40
Fathead's first college season
108.9 ORTG, 93.6 DRTG, 9.0 BPM, 0.144 WS/40
Dejounte's first and only college season
99.7 ORTG, 102.1 DRTG, 4.3 BPM, 0.098 WS/40

[benefactor]

He is a lot more explosive and faster than Livingston. Not a good comparison.

You hope after watching that film that as he matures and grows and gets strength he could be a Westbrook lite. He is scary in the open court.
Livingston was a beast before his knee exploded. If anything Murray is a poor man's version of pre-injury Livingston.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QQXQh_6nI

[Chinook]

Pelton's analytic projection numbers on him were pretty bad, enough that he has significant bust potential. In fact for his analytic mock draft on what teams should do he had Murray at 31.

How well do Pelton's projections track over the years? What's their predictive power?

[Mr. Body]

Fathead was decent last year. People are too hard on him for no apparent reason. He's 22 and already slightly above average. Looking at 2014 draft, he is fifth in WS/48 (played at least 10 MPG). He is going to be a very good player.

He's already more or less fixed his major glaring weakness, which is perimeter defense. When he's consistent from outside he'll be even better. I like him.

[Mr. Body]

Pelton's analytic projection numbers on him were pretty bad, enough that he has significant bust potential. In fact for his analytic mock draft on what teams should do he had Murray at 31.

How can he bust if he was selected two spots above that ranking?

He's pure potential. I'm sure the Spurs were thinking, what would this kid look like after one or two years of college ball? What if he trained with us instead? He already has an elite skill in ball handling, may soon have another in defense. If they get his decision making, maturity, and shooting together, the Kawhi Leonard comparions are not far fetched.

[objective]

I don't have a link to any of his collective work, but he recently did a podcast with David Locke where he talks about it and the successes and the below replacement level projection that Jaylen Brown ranks at which was compared historically to something below a threshold for not busting and Murray was close but above the line.

He toots his own horn but emphasizes it has to go hand in hand with scouting. But Draymond and Crowder were supposedly his two gems that year that the stats has as top 10 productive.

Big picture is that I'll take Pelton's opinion over Ford's when they contradict every day of the week. Because at least I can be sure that Pelton's opinions are informed opinions and based on something, even if they turn out wrong. Ford just spews crap, and I can't tell if it's his own bad scouting or something he was fed by agents or under the influence of teams or other involved parties.

They even work together and collaborate on ESPN, so they and their work is tied together. But if I could only read/listen to the opinions of one of the two, give me the guy who cautions the warning signs of risky projects over the rah rah top ten all star Darko=LeBron character.

[objective]

How can he bust if he was selected two spots above that ranking?

He's pure potential. I'm sure the Spurs were thinking, what would this kid look like after one or two years of college ball? What if he trained with us instead? He already has an elite skill in ball handling, may soon have another in defense. If they get his decision making, maturity, and shooting together, the Kawhi Leonard comparions are not far fetched.

Pelton with regards to busting was talking about rankings pre-draft for him which were higher than his own. Such as Ford gushing for him.

Obviously any pick near the end of the first can't really 'bust' compared to expected value. But people aren't expecting typical value, but rather hyped top 10 all star results.

That's why I was posting the gist of Pelton's take on him as a counter balance to the exuberance

[skyhook]

oh wow he has got Kobe's potential. I'm calling it.

[objective]

I should also add that Pelton's work very strongly agreed with my views on Gary Payton II, so the confirmation bias with me was powerful. Clearly agreeing with me shows that his system is pure genius.

Fwiw, Chad Ford also did a podcast with David Locke and loved on Murray pre-draft, essentially advocating that the Jazz pick Murray (this was pre Hill trade). But my previous disregard for his opinions have me severely down on anything he says. Strangely, he was the one who brought up Pelton's danger threshold with Locke and suggested he ask Pelton about it for the later podcast, seemingly endorsing it's unusual accuracy as a predictive tool. Though without much regard for how close Murray was to the danger zone

[NASpurs]

Tim C TIMC_LA
(https://twitter.com/TimC_LA) Dude on Spurs reddit called him Dijon Mustard. Nobody's coming up with a better nickname than that.




Too bad he already has a nickname, according to my Google ninja skills, it's"Baby Boy".

[Gervin44Silas13]

he didn't look happy being drafted low

But I like the pick hes young and can be developed
our team is getting fucken old!!!!!

.....any thoughts?????

[polandprzem]

I think having that young talent in this team might help kawhi to be a better leader when Murray said he wants to learn from leonard and Leonard will be in mentor kinda role.

[Keepin' it real]

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I'm sure Kawhi's like "What? I guess I had nothing to do with my own development. :rolleyes "

[Chinook]

I'm sure Kawhi's like "What? I guess I had nothing to do with my own development. :rolleyes "

If Kawhi thinks like that, he's a huge asshole. Good thing he doesn't.

[Keepin' it real]

If Kawhi thinks like that, he's a huge asshole. Good thing he doesn't.

So you think Kawhi thinks Pop "turned him" into a great player?? I doubt it.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

29% outside shooting?


Damn, I hope this kid can pass because he can't shoot, at all.

http://www.thenibble.com/REVIEWS/main/snacks/images/chip-close-230.jpg

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[UNT Eagles 2016]

So you're saying I get to root for both D. Murray AND Ezekiel Elliott this year???


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[CGD]

I appreciate that the Spurs arent stashing this pick, and that they are addressing their biggest need this summer, PG depth.

[BackHome]

Look no one drafted 29 in the first round can be considered a bust. If your a top ten pick and you don't produce then you can use that label.

If he works out and can be a starter or be a backup then you can use the words good or steal.

[K...]

Chad Ford's track record is garbage.

When the wizards passed repeatedly on Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, and so on, to draft Jan Vesely and Chris Singleton ...

He called them THE WINNERS of draft night.

That's right: Vesely over Kawhi (& Play) and Singleton over Butler and Parsons.

WINNERS of the draft.

Congrats on using hindsight. That's hardly a bad take since even the spurs admitted they didn't believe kawhi had the upside he actually has shown.

[rjv]

not sure why all these FO experts on spurs talk judge the FO by the draft and the draft alone. that is, without putting the draft in context. an appropriate evaluation would be one that would take into account players obtained outside the draft, management of the cap, maximizing the potential of late selection picks and knowing when to give up or opt out on a player selected from the draft in favor of one signed through free agency, brought in from europe or picked up from the developmental league.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[ceperez]

Livingston was a beast before his knee exploded. If anything Murray is a poor man's version of pre-injury Livingston.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QQXQh_6nI

Livingston seems to do okay while being really thin.

It's a good pick up for 29th pick. I like that he has a lot of natural basketball instincts and has wingspan like Danny Green (6'10").

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Fathead was decent last year. People are too hard on him for no apparent reason. He's 22 and already slightly above average. Looking at 2014 draft, he is fifth in WS/48 (played at least 10 MPG). He is going to be a very good player.

The hatred of Kyle is almost cultish. It's definitely immature and ignorant, and all you have to do is look at who the ringleaders are for evidence of that.

Bunch of dumbshits populating this board.

[palangi]

Livingston was a beast before his knee exploded. If anything Murray is a poor man's version of pre-injury Livingston.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QQXQh_6nI
I still don't see the same explosion and speed that Murray plays with.

[Rob123]

This is a fantastic pick. With the proper coaching and environment we've got a 19 year old with great upside to mold into something great.

I don't care about draft boards or rankings. You give this organization something to work with and they'll get the best out of it. A lot of these top picks are going to go to terrible organizations that will never develop them and they're going to end up wasting away never becoming anything great. This young guy is going to surpass them by leaps and bounds purely because of his circumstances.

[Spurtacular]

Better pick than Fathead, I guess.

[rjv]

parker was not a great shooter when he came in to the league either, but he had quickness and the ability to get to the basket. and he was never really a pass first guard as we all know. this guy may have a higher ceiling than TP did.

[tholdren]

Look no one drafted 29 in the first round can be considered a bust. If your a top ten pick and you don't produce then you can use that label.

If he works out and can be a starter or be a backup then you can use the words good or steal.

Plus its entertainment. What are the reporters supposed to say - this is terrible talent?

It was a junk draft. If these bozos succeed it will have everything to do with the condition of the nba and "talent"

[objective]

Here is David Locke's breakdown of him pre-draft, 3 weeks ago:


https://youtu.be/in9HLpo56X8

He's probably too wild to get any minutes from Pop his rookie year, as even mature rookies get benched without cause.

So while I put up Pelton's cautions to add balance to this thread about his being a project, and heavily preferred Payton II to the point of severe disappointment, Murray does pass the Parker test for me. Meaning that I would rather see him play than Parker despite the current flaws. Unfortunately that's not likely.

[bic50]

he didn't look happy being drafted low

But I like the pick hes young and can be developed
our team is getting fucken old!!!!!

.....any thoughts?????

That's good. Maybe he'll have a chip on his shoulder.

[ceperez]

That's good. Maybe he'll have a chip on his shoulder.

Some folks had high expectations... he was invited to the green room, so he expected being at least a lottery pick.

Nice review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9HLpo56X8&feature=youtu.be

He's got a natural sense for the ball, can't teach that. He could become really good though!

[benefactor]

I still don't see the same explosion and speed that Murray plays with.
lmao ok

[Drom John]

Today's chat:


Landon (Austin) [via mobile]

Did the Spurs get another steal in the draft?


Kevin Pelton (4:10 PM)

The Spurs took Murray about where I thought he should have gone. What I like about the pick is that Murray's career will probably hinge on his ability to develop as a shooter, and there's no better place to do that than San Antonio with Chip Engelland.

[SAGirl]

Look no one drafted 29 in the first round can be considered a bust. If your a top ten pick and you don't produce then you can use that label.

If he works out and can be a starter or be a backup then you can use the words good or steal.
Which already applies to Anderson who was also very young when drafted. Ppl just expect all star type talent from kids still getting it together. That plus a lot of trolling.

[daslicer]

Which already applies to Anderson who was also very young when drafted. Ppl just expect all star type talent from kids still getting it together. That plus a lot of trolling.

When you draft that low in the first round all you can do is hope that the player who is drafted at that spot can be a good role player. It usually takes a few years for these young players to develop. Case in point is Cojo who is now a solid role player but he wasn't able to contribute his first 3 years with the Spurs.

[palangi]

lmao ok
LMAO, alright.

[gambit1990]

Livingston was a beast before his knee exploded. If anything Murray is a poor man's version of pre-injury Livingston.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QQXQh_6nI
livingston was the first player that came to my mind.

[benefactor]

livingston was the first player that came to my mind.
He won't be nearly that good(pre-injury version), but becoming a one income level lower version would still be a damn good player.

[kobyz]

Worth to mention that spurs tried to move up and draft the franch guy Yabusele... Murry to me is a long shot to become a good player, too much raw and unconventional game...

[bic50]

Geez, am I the only one who hasn't given up on Anderson? :lol I thought he was solid enough for a 22 year-old in his 2nd season. Think he'll be a solid role player for the bench unit, which is all you can really ask for from a 30th pick.

His lack of athleticism seems to hurt him.

[Lostwingman]

Better pick than Fathead, I guess.

Better pick than Jimmer.

[TD 21]

Didn't consider him because I didn't see him being available at 29, but he fits what I was saying yesterday (though the international route was mostly out of their hands, with only Zubac, of the projected 1sts, still on the board).

I like the pick. They needed a talented guard, with a relatively high upside and he fits the bill. No more constantly looking for some blah player, who can potentially fill a role as a back end rotation player, if all goes well.

[LakerHater]

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[tonight...you]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClwDtSjXEAAzFJQ.jpg
Lebron never hides his respect and admiration for the Spurs, Pop and Tim. Gotta respect that.

[TheGreatYacht]

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[K...]

Holy, maybe if the cavs win again next year we can get tosb lebron........i would love tosb lebron and kawhi

[daslicer]

Lebron never hides his respect and admiration for the Spurs, Pop and Tim. Gotta respect that.

I do believe Lebron respects the spurs but keep in mind that his sports agency represents Dejounte.

[tonight...you]

I do believe Lebron respects the spurs but keep in mind that his sports agency represents Dejounte.
Yessir. I'm interested to see how this plays out.

[spursreport]

Seriously. There are teams that are better than the Spurs have been recently.

Says the guy who thinks keeping Diaw, signing Birdman, keeping David West, and other old pieces of shit is the key to getting title #6.

[Snaq O'Meal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClwDtSjXEAAzFJQ.jpg

Then come on over, Kang!

[hsxvvd]

Looks like he finds ways to get to
the line.

[kobyz]

Should he start from day one a la tony parker?

[spursparker9]

He mini Jamal Crawford tbh

[Raven]

Look no one drafted 29 in the first round can be considered a bust. If your a top ten pick and you don't produce then you can use that label.

If he works out and can be a starter or be a backup then you can use the words good or steal.
people should stop with this crap, if you don't become a rotation player after year 2, you are a bust no matter where you are drafted. you can be a bust even if you do, but that's beside the point. Yes the nba is full of busts, it's just the nature of the draft.

[TheMulletMan3000]

The hatred of Kyle is almost cultish. It's definitely immature and ignorant, and all you have to do is look at who the ringleaders are for evidence of that.

Bunch of dumbshits populating this board.

:tu

I forgot to add that he made great jump in RPM. He was -3.26 in his rookie year and last year he was 0.61. Spurs got above average NBA player in 2 years for a pack of gum. Hope he can give the Spurs solid 20 MPG next season. Also, I can see Teodosic coming to the Spurs (if he is willing to come of the bench) and replace, to a certain extent, Manu.

[Raven]

Geez, am I the only one who hasn't given up on Anderson? :lol I thought he was solid enough for a 22 year-old in his 2nd season. Think he'll be a solid role player for the bench unit, which is all you can really ask for from a 30th pick.

what's to give up on, he already is a very good player for us, everybody saying otherwise is just trolling or can't see the context.

[UZER]

what's to give up on, he already is a very good player for us, everybody saying otherwise is just trolling or can't see the context.

Yeah, I expect good things from Kyle this year. He'll a solid bench player.

[Harry Callahan]

When you draft that low in the first round all you can do is hope that the player who is drafted at that spot can be a good role player. It usually takes a few years for these young players to develop. Case in point is Cojo who is now a solid role player but he wasn't able to contribute his first 3 years with the Spurs.

The C. Joseph pick was not considered a very good pick for awhile on this forum when he started off slowly in his career. Like Murray, he was a 19 year old "One and Done". He worked himself into being a quality rotation player who will be in the league 8-10 years. That is a good pick when its at 29 or 30. I'm pretty sure the Spurs would welcome him back in a minute if they get ever the chance. Joseph (like Kawhi) is still only 24 or 25 years old.

The kid SAS drafted this week looks to be a much more athletic, explosive player than CoJo. When you pick at 29, you just want to draft someone that can develop into something at least a solid rotation player (one of your top 8-9 guys). At least in college, Murray looks like he can get to the rim at will. He pushed the ball. His shooting is not great, but he will have the best in the business in Chip E. working with him. I like the pick - it looks promising.

Just look at the Mavericks - they throw away draft picks for vets most years and get nothing out of the draft. That's why they are nothing special over the last few years. Dirk is the last all star caliber player they have drafted. That was almost 20 years ago. You can bet the DFW area and Mavie fans are VERY jealous of the Spurs success in the draft and on the court over the last 20 years. They essentially are the little brother who generally can't stack up. The Rockets are even worse and have essentially been in rebuild mode since 1995 for the most part.

With a little luck, the Spurs can be a contender and 50 win team for a few more years with the KL / LMA core. Those guys just need a little more help than they got at the end of last year when some of the bench guys stuggled.

[TheGreatYacht]

If we don't get a big name free agent, I wouldn't mind seeing him start right away.

[DrSteffo]

The love for Kyle Anderson here is just stupid. He is bad. He has some skills but is slow as fuck and he does not compete. Worst production in the playoffs ever? Just standing there and passing the ball does not make you ok on offense. Just standing there when someone dribbles past you is not ok on d.

[TheGreatYacht]

The love for Kyle Anderson here is just stupid. He is bad. He has some skills but is slow as fuck and he does not compete. Worst production in the playoffs ever? Just standing there and passing the ball does not make you ok on offense. Just standing there when someone dribbles past you is not ok on d.
Great post, said it like it is :tu

[bic50]

Will this guy be another "steal" ?

[K...]

Will this guy be another "steal" ?

Yes and no. Yes in three years he could be good. But most teams don't have the leadership to develop a player like this. So the we'll see

[SAGirl]

Will this guy be another "steal" ?
He has a lot of potential just on his size, athleticism, and length alone, and he's crafty with the ball. He has talent, but I will consider him a potential steal if he fixes his shooting. Emphasis on "potential steal" bc if he had just shot the ball more efficiently in college he would not have been available at pick 29 that's for sure. He's a high upside, risky pick, which considering he's 19 is justified. He's so young that he's bound to improve significantly over the next few years if he has a strong work ethic.

So he may look terrible his first or second seasons shooting airballs or whatever but we will not know for sure until his second or even 3rd year. If he doesn't get a shot he could be MCW-like, who is still an NBA rotation player, but not a championship caliber PG.

[SAGirl]

Yes and no. Yes in three years he could be good. But most teams don't have the leadership to develop a player like this. So the we'll see
Yup guys and teams want to draft players that can help right away, but players are getting in the NBA so young that their games are not fully developed. The draft is for the future.

[TrainOfThought5]

I appreciate that the Spurs arent stashing this pick, and that they are addressing their biggest need this summer, PG depth.

This guy isnt a true PG at ALL. He's turnover prone, dribbles high, and not good under pressure D.

This team STILL desperately needs a ballhandler/distributor.

[Keepin' it real]

This guy isnt a true PG at ALL. He's turnover prone, dribbles high, and not good under pressure D.

This team STILL desperately needs a ballhandler/distributor.

https://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/0513a53304389599950933b354c5c647692913-wm.jpg

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPmLgQnoWeM

[dabom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPmLgQnoWeM

Dude feels slighted. I like that intensity. Feeling crushed can make wonders. We got 2014 to prove it. I like the hunger.

[DPG21920]

SA fans have to be really happy they got Murray. I know many have him pegged around 29th pick so they don't consider it a value, but there was more than enough people that had him pegged higher.

He may never amount to anything, but I'm happy they went with a guard that they plan to have stick around and develop. That alone makes it happy. Coming to SA and having Pop along with this chip on his shoulder means if he can't succeed here he would not have anywhere.

Like I said, I wish SA would have gotten more draft picks and taken some fliers but not a big deal.

[Chinook]

SA fans have to be really happy they got Murray. I know many have him pegged around 29th pick so they don't consider it a value, but there was more than enough people that had him pegged higher.

He may never amount to anything, but I'm happy they went with a guard that they plan to have stick around and develop. That alone makes it happy. Coming to SA and having Pop along with this chip on his shoulder means if he can't succeed here he would not have anywhere.

Like I said, I wish SA would have gotten more draft picks and taken some fliers but not a big deal.

I wish they would have picked up some more foreign prospects. They're about to lose two of their top three. Need to refill the pipeline a little. Maybe they convince Cady to go over there for a couple of years.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

This guy isnt a true PG at ALL. He's turnover prone, dribbles high, and not good under pressure D.

This team STILL desperately needs a ballhandler/distributor.

You act like players don't develop.

[palangi]

I wish they would have picked up some more foreign prospects. They're about to lose two of their top three. Need to refill the pipeline a little. Maybe they convince Cady to go over there for a couple of years.
I don't get the need or idea of developing in Europe. The percentage is higher for failure or never coming over. It's a different style over there.

it would be better to leave Cady in the NBDL rather than send him to Europe.

[Russ]

He mini Jamal Crawford tbh

I don't see it. Crawford's biggest asset is his long-range jumper -- it's DM's biggest weakness.


This guy isnt a true PG at ALL. He's turnover prone, dribbles high, and not good under pressure D.

This team STILL desperately needs a ballhandler/distributor.

On the other hand, the "beautiful game" may not require a true point guard.

[spurraider21]

I wish they would have picked up some more foreign prospects. They're about to lose two of their top three. Need to refill the pipeline a little. Maybe they convince Cady to go over there for a couple of years.
spurs "pipeline" of euros has always been overrated, anyway.

when was the last time somebody we had stashed in overseas made an impact outside of splitter? manu?

i'm all for signing players from abroad... like we did with baynes, boban, but the draft and stash routine has been underwhelming

[TheGreatYacht]

Draft and stashing a player is terrible, 80-90% of the time you never hear of them again. Might as well trade the pick for a current player.

[Chinook]

spurs "pipeline" of euros has always been overrated, anyway.

when was the last time somebody we had stashed in overseas made an impact outside of splitter? manu?

i'm all for signing players from abroad... like we did with baynes, boban, but the draft and stash routine has been underwhelming

Scola.

Anyway, the pipeline is there so that you can play the lotto. I don't believe in stashing guy that you already think will be good players. But I totally believe in having some raw players with potential left over there for a few years. Like Dangubic and Hanga make sense as stashes, while LJC really didn't. I'd much rather the team use low-second-rounders on those guys than for them to just not do so.

[spurraider21]

Scola
yeah he worked out terrifically

[spurraider21]

Scola.

Anyway, the pipeline is there so that you can play the lotto. I don't believe in stashing guy that you already think will be good players. But I totally believe in having some raw players with potential left over there for a few years. Like Dangubic and Hanga make sense as stashes, while LJC really didn't. I'd much rather the team use low-second-rounders on those guys than for them to just not do so.
that's what we did with splitter though, one of the few successes

[Mr. Body]

spurs "pipeline" of euros has always been overrated, anyway.

when was the last time somebody we had stashed in overseas made an impact outside of splitter? manu?

i'm all for signing players from abroad... like we did with baynes, boban, but the draft and stash routine has been underwhelming

Splitter was a draft n stash, he eventually worked out. But I'd agree, most of their international picks were duds.

[Mr. Body]

yeah he worked out terrifically

It was a great pick, even if they fucked it up.

[Emperor]

yeah he worked out terrifically

But his friend MANU worked out even better though :toast

[Chinook]

that's what we did with splitter though, one of the few successes

Splitter stayed over because his sister had just died. That probably worked for the Spurs as well, but it wasn't like LJC. I'm just saying that I don't mind the team taking flyers on young guys in Europe. Most will bust but some like Tomic, Lauvergne and Bjelica work out. And having those guys' rights is really cool, even if it's just to trade later on.

[spurraider21]

we drafted splitter in 07 and he didn't join the team until 2010, did his sister's death span 3 years?

[Mr. Body]

He stayed over because of buyouts.

[Chinook]

we drafted splitter in 07 and he didn't join the team until 2010, did his sister's death span 3 years?

Yes (cancer's a bitch like that). He reupped to a new deal in Spain because of it.

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/michelle-splitter-deceased


One under-reported aspect of Tiago Splitter’s decision to resign with Tau Ceramica was the care of his sister. Tiago Splitter lives in Spain with his family and Michelle had received medical treatment there. Along with all the other variables of his free agent decision, the advantage of maintaining a stable home life in light of Michelle’s health must have been attractive to the Brazilian center.

I will say that it's disingenuous of me to claim that was the only reason. But it really doesn't seem like it was a normal draft-and-stash plan. Dunno how long she was ailing, but it definitely affected him coming over in 2008 or 2009

[spurraider21]

Yes (cancer's a bitch like that). He reupped to a new deal in Spain because of it.

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/michelle-splitter-deceased



I will say that it's disingenuous of me to claim that was the only reason. But it really doesn't seem like it was a normal draft-and-stash plan. Dunno how long she was ailing, but it definitely affected him coming over in 2008 or 2009
stand corrected, didnt know those deets

[BatManu20]

Perspective.


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[Keepin' it real]

I wish they would have picked up some more foreign prospects. They're about to lose two of their top three. Need to refill the pipeline a little. Maybe they convince Cady to go over there for a couple of years.

Nah, Cady needs to be on the roster next season!

[DJR210]

Does that mean he snubs people's daughters too?

She was in a cast too, that's the fucked up part

[All Mighty Janitor]

Draft and stashing a player is terrible, 80-90% of the time you never hear of them again. Might as well trade the pick for a current player.
It's useful if you don't wan't to fill a roster spot with someone who wouldn't get playing time anyway. If you have other options for roster spots, it doesn't hurt to have projects going on in the background.

[BillMc]

Not sure if this Murray interview was posted, but here it is:


http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2016/06/24/1466789369040-20160623_all_access_murray.mov-614087

[BillMc]

Pre-Draft Interview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI4AuvVWhBE

[Atl Spur]

Is it me or does this young man show that A.I top passion? He is the real in that category as well as a stellar athlete. The shooting will come around and the rest of his game will become refined over time:) You can't teach passion or desire!!!

[raybies]

If he can just become a more serviceable shooter, be better with his decision making overall, and become more disciplined on defense, he could be a pretty special player. I've come to trust the spurs development. Pop will push him, and I'm sure the staff is formulating a plan of what they want from him if they haven't done so already. I think his ceiling is 6th man of the year at sg like his mentor Jamal Crawford to starting pg with All Star potential. I think he has Crawford's shiftiness, Westbrook's fearlessness attacking the rim. He has the tools and potential and if he has the work ethic, which hes said to have, then he should at the very least be a backup combo guard that is an energy boost of the bench. But my prediction is that he'll be starting the season after Tonys contact is up. So he had two years to show something. I imagine this first year he'll see alot of time in the D-league, followed by a year fighting for a rotation spot, and then if he earns a rotation spot, consideration for a starting role. This year, I think there will be a slight chance that he Tony Parker's Tony's spot like Tony did to Antonio when he was 19. That would be ironic and the only way I see that happening is Tony would have to be completely awful and in decline and Murray would have to be running the team solid. It starts with summer league imo and I hope he's able to play. It would be important to his early development. Tony is already off to an awful start in Europe so there's a chance. I'm not emotionally tied to whether he takes Tony's spot or not, just starting my opinion about how his development can go.

[InRareForm]

Bill simmons says the steal of the draft

[tholdren]

Bill simmons says the steal of the draft
doesn't he say that about more than one team each year? The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Manu replacement.

[spursistan]

Is it me or does this young man show that A.I top passion? He is the real in that category as well as a stellar athlete. The shooting will come around and the rest of his game will become refined over time:) You can't teach passion or desire!!!

I know he is still very raw, but I'm just hoping Pop throws him into fire early in the season to see what he's got for base talent and how he'd interact with better teammates..

[tim_duncan_fan]

https://youtu.be/pd55RoIixJ0

He seems very business-like with a slight hint of attitude. A "I'm just bout that action" type. Saying all the right things so far.

Starting to like him already.

When is Summer Camp?

[CosmicCowboy]

Kids foot control and lateral movement for a 19 year old is amazing and with his wingspan he could become a hell of a defender with Spurs coaching.

[CosmicCowboy]

Spurs will ask him the same question they asked Kawhi...do you want to be just good or do you want to be great? Chip can fix his shot.

[objective]

Will he be willing to change his hairstyle to save his shot, as YouTube videos would have us believe? We'll see.

[dabom]

Spurs will ask him the same question they asked Kawhi...do you want to be just good or do you want to be great? Chip can fix his shot.

i wonder if they asked Fathead the same thing...

[dabom]

Will he be willing to change his hairstyle to save his shot, as YouTube videos would have us believe? We'll see.

Kawhi got the cornrows. This dude got the high top fades. :lol

[emanueldavidginobili]

https://youtu.be/sjCfjP6w2HQ

Im already excited for this kid, I love his upside. Very tenacious and you can just see the drive he plays with when you watch him play. He has the potential to flourish with the Spurs and become a special player.

[Maddog]

Spurs will ask him the same question they asked Kawhi...do you want to be just good or do you want to be great? Chip can fix his shot.

His shot doesn't look horrible and seems to be a guy that'll work hard.
I'm sold.

[look_at_g_shred]

Dude is going to shock some people his first year.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Dude is going to shock some people his first year.

+1

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udPnwOTvBs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NACPEZMov8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBD6aQ7Ab-E

[elemento]

He seems really mature for a kid @ his age. I'm liking this pick more and more.

[CaptainLate]

Is it me or does this young man show that A.I top passion? He is the real in that category as well as a stellar athlete. The shooting will come around and the rest of his game will become refined over time:) You can't teach passion or desire!!!
Homeschooled in high school. No wonder he has his head together. Not dumbed down by the public fool system. Way to go parents.

[hooperflash]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13502983_1315008821847348_4546427777333094595_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

[Obstructed_View]

I can't for the life of me figure out how this kid fell this far. It's like all the other teams looked around after the Spurs grabbed him and went, "How did we let this happen again?"

[dabom]

I can't for the life of me figure out how this kid fell this far. It's like all the other teams looked around after the Spurs grabbed him and went, "How did we let this happen again?"

:lol

[siraulo23]

is there a chance he could make an impact this season and get some minutes as a backup pg?

[hooperflash]

is there a chance he could make an impact this season and get some minutes as a backup pg?

Let's see how he performs during the summer league. He's hungry for a role on this team.

[All Mighty Janitor]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13502983_1315008821847348_4546427777333094595_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
Get that sweat in young fella.

[BatManu20]

is there a chance he could make an impact this season and get some minutes as a backup pg?

Doubtful, knowing Pop. He dislikes Rookies and Murray needs at least a year in the weight room.

[Vito Corleone]

I hear how bad his shooting is and decision making is, but the Spurs have the best shooting coach in the business and we have the luxury of being able to teach him and bring him along slowly. I expect he will be spending a lot of time in Austin, so he might as well get his Apartment there.

[look_at_g_shred]

I can't for the life of me figure out how this kid fell this far. It's like all the other teams looked around after the Spurs grabbed him and went, "How did we let this happen again?"
:lol

[SpursforSix]

I hear how bad his shooting is and decision making is, but the Spurs have the best shooting coach in the business

Plus, as far as the decision making, he'll be able to learn under Tony Parker.

[raybies]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13502983_1315008821847348_4546427777333094595_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

Loving that he's already getting to work. I hope they are already working on his shot and getting the form better. Summer league he can work on his decision making and he can really focus on D during the season especially if he wants to play. Can't stress it enough, how vital it is for him to play summer league in regards to him getting acclimated and having a chance at a role during the season however unlikely it may be. But one of my interests in following our team is the finding of new stars. Happened with Parker, then Ginobili, then Leonard and now hopefully Anderson or Murray. Unlike Anderson though, Murray is an upside pick with great potential. So it's exciting.

[td4mvp2k]

Doubtful, knowing Pop. He dislikes Rookies and Murray needs at least a year in the weight room.

get him on det blair plan tbh

[Emperor]

He's moving from Washington to South Texas. I think the weight gain plan shouldn't be a problem imo.

[bic50]

He's moving from Washington to South Texas. I think the weight gain plan shouldn't be a problem imo.

:lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Seriously. There are teams that are better than the Spurs have been recently.

Although for the most part those that are better have had a year or two out of the playoffs to make moves for the future rather than trying to maximize the potential for the playoffs. (i.e. OKC last year)

[Chinook]

Although for the most part those that are better have had a year or two out of the playoffs to make moves for the future rather than trying to maximize the potential for the playoffs. (i.e. OKC last year)

It helps to have mid-seconds to pick players who are good prospects with warts. A late-first is usually a low-ceiling, high-floor guy, and late-seconds are detritus. The Spurs haven't made many trades recently, so that's keeping them from getting those picks.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Fathead was decent last year. People are too hard on him for no apparent reason. He's 22 and already slightly above average. Looking at 2014 draft, he is fifth in WS/48 (played at least 10 MPG). He is going to be a very good player.

No, no, it can't be! How can he be good when he is so slow? If you are going to try to confuse the issue with facts then there is no place for you on ST.

[Kindergarten Cop]

He's moving from Washington to South Texas. I think the weight gain plan shouldn't be a problem imo.

The family and I just got back from vacation in San Antonio - and I put on around 7 pounds in just a week. I'm just glad that there are no Whataburgers in Kansas. I have more sympathy for players like Diaw and Blair now. :wow

[Obstructed_View]

No, no, it can't be! How can he be good when he is so slow? If you are going to try to confuse the issue with facts then there is no place for you on ST.

Actually, the question is how can he be good when his nickname indicates that he's slow.

[Emperor]

The family and I just got back from vacation in San Antonio - and I put on around 7 pounds in just a week. I'm just glad that there are no Whataburgers in Kansas. I have more sympathy for players like Diaw and Blair now. :wow

Yup that's about as much weight as i put on everytime i go back to visit family. :toast

[Maddog]

I can't for the life of me figure out how this kid fell this far. It's like all the other teams looked around after the Spurs grabbed him and went, "How did we let this happen again?"


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I hear how bad his shooting is and decision making is, but the Spurs have the best shooting coach in the business and we have the luxury of being able to teach him and bring him along slowly. I expect he will be spending a lot of time in Austin, so he might as well get his Apartment there.

A better shooter and he's easily lottery. I think a lot of teams became risk averse. Although some went the opposite way (See Sacramento and the Bucks). Utah, Indiana and Charlotte traded the 12th, 20th and 22nd picks for established players who are far from stars and maybe boderline role players.
The Spurs are probably one of the few teams not turned away by someone with poor shooting. Kawhi, Tony have all improved significantly under Chip.

[raybies]

I would be content if he got his three to league average over the first couple of years which is like 35% and improved his 2ptfgp to like 50% which he can easily do with better decision making. From what I've seen, it's not that his shot is that bad, is his decision making and inconsistency with his shot mechanics. I think if he just shoot better shots and shoot them consistently he might already be average or just below. I mean at Washington he was in a role where he pushed the tempo in transition and had some tough shots that didn't work out and with his handles he took some tougher shots than he had to, because they needed his offense. On the spurs he can play off the ball much of a possession and just bring the ball up to get the offense started. So first step should be just working on his spot up shot, and build from there. He would have plenty of quality looks Just doing this. It's when he runs the offense that his decision making would need some seasoning but we wouldn't need that next year with Parker and Ginobili likely coming back.

[Obstructed_View]

A better shooter and he's easily lottery. I think a lot of teams became risk averse. Although some went the opposite way (See Sacramento and the Bucks). Utah, Indiana and Charlotte traded the 12th, 20th and 22nd picks for established players who are far from stars and maybe boderline role players.
The Spurs are probably one of the few teams not turned away by someone with poor shooting. Kawhi, Tony have all improved significantly under Chip.
You can teach a guy to shoot, but you can't teach him to jump or to grow. It must suck to have a team where you desperately need a draft pick to contribute immediately or you face being fired. The Spurs have gotten to the point where they can get a freshman and treat him almost like a draft-and-stash.

[TheMulletMan3000]

No, no, it can't be! How can he be good when he is so slow? If you are going to try to confuse the issue with facts then there is no place for you on ST.

:lol

[objective]

I can't for the life of me figure out how this kid fell this far. It's like all the other teams looked around after the Spurs grabbed him and went, "How did we let this happen again?"

I can see how he fell, or rather, was taken where a lot of people had him slated. ESPN's post draft episode of NBA lockdown had the guard expert respond coolly to the notion that Murray was a steal or only a jump shot away from being awesome.

His analytic numbers were unremarkable to poor. He had I believe the second lowest PER of any college player taken in top 50? He had nice stats in general but slightly inflated from the high pace his team played at, which I think was second highest in the nation. He has a strange shooting stroke where he lands to the side on one foot kicking a leg.

For all his athleticism he's not explosive and is a below the rim player in half court. He has problems finishing shots that weren't floaters iirc, and at his size that isn't desirable. He was an old freshman, 19 in his one year and will be 20 his rookie year. He's clearly light and needs weight added. His dribble looks like it might not translate to open looks as easily as it did in college, combined with his already high turnovers, and his below the rim game, can be a concern. Add in the questions of if he can be a point guard ...

I figure most teams saw a player who had an immature body who needed major work to succeed. The Spurs have proven they can do it with Corey Joseph who was a freshman who needed a lot of work, plus probably not needing Murray to play his first year at least. I guess most teams didn't figure he was worth the hassle.

[SAGirl]

I can see how he fell, or rather, was taken where a lot of people had him slated. ESPN's post draft episode of NBA lockdown had the guard expert respond coolly to the notion that Murray was a steal or only a jump shot away from being awesome.

His analytic numbers were unremarkable to poor. He had I believe the second lowest PER of any college player taken in top 50? He had nice stats in general but slightly inflated from the high pace his team played at, which I think was second highest in the nation. He has a strange shooting stroke where he lands to the side on one foot kicking a leg.

For all his athleticism he's not explosive and is a below the rim player in half court. He has problems finishing shots that weren't floaters iirc, and at his size that isn't desirable. He was an old freshman, 19 in his one year and will be 20 his rookie year. He's clearly light and needs weight added. His dribble looks like it might not translate to open looks as easily as it did in college, combined with his already high turnovers, and his below the rim game, can be a concern. Add in the questions of if he can be a point guard ...

I figure most teams saw a player who had an immature body who needed major work to succeed. The Spurs have proven they can do it with Corey Joseph who was a freshman who needed a lot of work, plus probably not needing Murray to play his first year at least. I guess most teams didn't figure he was worth the hassle.
Good analysis. RC in his interview was explicit stating he didn't think anyone expected him to come in and light our word on fire in his first year (or something of that nature), so it seems like they have a realistic expectation. He was also explicit stating that he's a "development piece" who needs work finishing around the basket, discipline shooting, and with his decision making and more than once mentioned that they liked his youth and the ability to grow. So, he's basically a young player who needs to develop and will require time.

Because he wasn't shooting well (and it wasn't just shot selection because he was at 65% on FT shooting), its not like teams can play him right now off the ball while he develops. He's the kind of guy who, if he develops a shot could look like a terrific steal somewhere down the road, but as he is right now, he was probably fine where he was picked.

[Obstructed_View]

I figure most teams saw a player who had an immature body who needed major work to succeed. The Spurs have proven they can do it with Corey Joseph who was a freshman who needed a lot of work, plus probably not needing Murray to play his first year at least. I guess most teams didn't figure he was worth the hassle.

Good points all. And Cory Joseph was a McDonald's All American.

[Russ]

Good points all. And Cory Joseph was a McDonald's All American.

I thought he was Canadian. :wow

[ceperez]

I can see how he fell, or rather, was taken where a lot of people had him slated. ESPN's post draft episode of NBA lockdown had the guard expert respond coolly to the notion that Murray was a steal or only a jump shot away from being awesome.

His analytic numbers were unremarkable to poor. He had I believe the second lowest PER of any college player taken in top 50? He had nice stats in general but slightly inflated from the high pace his team played at, which I think was second highest in the nation. He has a strange shooting stroke where he lands to the side on one foot kicking a leg.

For all his athleticism he's not explosive and is a below the rim player in half court. He has problems finishing shots that weren't floaters iirc, and at his size that isn't desirable. He was an old freshman, 19 in his one year and will be 20 his rookie year. He's clearly light and needs weight added. His dribble looks like it might not translate to open looks as easily as it did in college, combined with his already high turnovers, and his below the rim game, can be a concern. Add in the questions of if he can be a point guard ...

I figure most teams saw a player who had an immature body who needed major work to succeed. The Spurs have proven they can do it with Corey Joseph who was a freshman who needed a lot of work, plus probably not needing Murray to play his first year at least. I guess most teams didn't figure he was worth the hassle.

His highlights do show that he doesn't have the lift and is a below the rim player. His shot also does need work .... all I can say is that he's got a natural feel for the game, but like you said... no lift and bad fundamentals.

[Mr. Body]

How many above the rim PGs are in the league? Like, one? Fuck sake, we won four champeenships with a below the rim PG.

[Russ]

His highlights do show that he doesn't have the lift and is a below the rim player. His shot also does need work .... all I can say is that he's got a natural feel for the game, but like you said... no lift and bad fundamentals.

He's very clever around the basket -- great up and under. May be better than leaping ability in close quarters.

[objective]

How many above the rim PGs are in the league? Like, one? Fuck sake, we won four champeenships with a below the rim PG.

Don't think of him as a point guard, think of him as a 6-5 guard. 6-5 guys that people credit as good, long athletes usually get up more than just on uncontested transition lobs.

[objective]

Strangely enough, I'm listening to the CBS EYE ON BASKETBALL mock draft episode, that only went up maybe three hours before the draft, and sure enough, Murray is the pick for the Spurs there. Talked up as a great project for the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

Don't think of him as a point guard, think of him as a 6-5 guard. 6-5 guys that people credit as good, long athletes usually get up more than just on uncontested transition lobs.

Nah. I'm going to think of him as a PG, like everyone else.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I can see how he fell, or rather, was taken where a lot of people had him slated. ESPN's post draft episode of NBA lockdown had the guard expert respond coolly to the notion that Murray was a steal or only a jump shot away from being awesome.

His analytic numbers were unremarkable to poor. He had I believe the second lowest PER of any college player taken in top 50? He had nice stats in general but slightly inflated from the high pace his team played at, which I think was second highest in the nation. He has a strange shooting stroke where he lands to the side on one foot kicking a leg.

For all his athleticism he's not explosive and is a below the rim player in half court. He has problems finishing shots that weren't floaters iirc, and at his size that isn't desirable. He was an old freshman, 19 in his one year and will be 20 his rookie year. He's clearly light and needs weight added. His dribble looks like it might not translate to open looks as easily as it did in college, combined with his already high turnovers, and his below the rim game, can be a concern. Add in the questions of if he can be a point guard ...

I figure most teams saw a player who had an immature body who needed major work to succeed. The Spurs have proven they can do it with Corey Joseph who was a freshman who needed a lot of work, plus probably not needing Murray to play his first year at least. I guess most teams didn't figure he was worth the hassle.

Given this, I really wish we'd either taken Damian Jones or Deyonta Davis instead, or taken Murray and traded for 31 and 35 to take a young big. Oh well.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Strangely enough, I'm listening to the CBS EYE ON BASKETBALL mock draft episode, that only went up maybe three hours before the draft, and sure enough, Murray is the pick for the Spurs there. Talked up as a great project for the Spurs.

Fantastic podcast. I've been listening to those guys for a couple of years and they know their stuff while also being fun to listen to. Best NBA podcasts IMO: Eye on Basketball, Lowe Post, Simmons when he talks NBA, and Vertical with Woj. I also have ESPN and Starters but they're annoying and repetitive respectively.

I listened to it the day of the draft and was very impressed that they nailed the Spurs' pick.

[Seventyniner]

Good points all. And Cory Joseph was a McDonald's All American.

While DeJuan Blair was an American All-McDonald's.

[Chinook]

Don't think of him as a point guard, think of him as a 6-5 guard. 6-5 guys that people credit as good, long athletes usually get up more than just on uncontested transition lobs.

I don't know if that would make sense for him game, though. He seemed to be a crafty guard who's athletic rather than an athletic guard who's crafty. When you prod and weave like he does, you don't tend to have your full explosion. I'd even say that most players don't dunk as the ball-handler in the half-court often. It's just too hard to get up to speed.

[Chinook]

I will say though, that he only seems to have one dunk. So I wouldn't confuse him with Gerald Green. He seems like he likes using his length to finish rather than athleticism, and that will probably serve him well in the NBA. If he plays the one, he'll have plenty of size over most of his opponents. I think his tools a great, but he isn't going to make it in the league solely based on them. He'll have to learn to shoot and put on weight to be more consistent at the rim.

[objective]

He's 6-5, with long arms, fast down the court, and has a handle at the college level where he could get by guys at will. All those things combined, he should have at least a few college highlights just taking the ball and exploding into a dunk. Not even as impressive as Payton II (who's 3 inches smaller), just something.

It's not a big knock, just recognition that he doesn't have explosive athleticism, and one of the factors in why teams didn't have him rated super high or had him as a project

[dabom]

He's 6-5, with long arms, fast down the court, and has a handle at the college level where he could get by guys at will. All those things combined, he should have at least a few college highlights just taking the ball and exploding into a dunk. Not even as impressive as Payton II (who's 3 inches smaller), just something.

It's not a big knock, just recognition that he doesn't have explosive athleticism, and one of the factors in why teams didn't have him rated super high or had him as a project

The Spurs still rated him very high.

[SAGirl]

Plenty of very athletic dunkers don't amount to much, just saying.
I like his craftiness. But he does need work. He's also too light to finish through contact.

[T Park]

Spurs will ask him the same question they asked Kawhi...do you want to be just good or do you want to be great? Chip can fix his shot.



If Chip could fix Kawhi, Bruce Bowen, Richard Jefferson, and others shots, he can fix a 19 year olds.

[Chinook]

Plenty of very athletic dunkers don't amount to much, just saying.
I like his craftiness. But he does need work. He's also too light to finish through contact.

People are going to think I'm cursing the kid, but his game reminds me a lot of what I think Anderson's game will eventually be, though at a faster pace. Murray seems to like to go through his man rather than around them. By that I mean that he likes to go into defenders rather than trying to use speed to get by them in space. If you look at his highlights, you can see that Murray isn't a big crossover guy, at least not when he's facing up his defender from a few feet away. Rather than trying to make the defender commit to a direction, he seems to try to beat his defender to a spot so he can seal them. That's a lot like Kyle does when he attacks, but obviously his size is more objectively a mismatch, so shooting over his man is always a possibility.

I'm not sure if Murray's strategy is good or bad. I could understand him losing a lot of balls with the way he likes to dribble into the defense. But at the same time, it's much harder to defend a guy when staying in front of him plays into his strategy. It's going to be interesting to see if he can develop into a PG. His idol Crawford never did it. Murray seems to have some natural play-making ability, but he may not be able to show that with his current offensive proclivities

[objective]

Plenty of very athletic dunkers don't amount to much, just saying.

Who posted otherwise?

There's some nuance that is present.

I responded to a question about how he could fall, and I laid out some reasons, all factored together, caused him to be available where he was (which quite a few people had him rated as being there, and others had him higher and he fell compared to their expectations)

That's all.

But another way to look at it is this: take any of the things I posted and make him good/great at it: does that get him drafted higher? If he had everything you've seen positive, the speed, the handle, the size, the nice enough vision, the rebounding ... and he played above the rim in the half court? If when he got by people he wasn't rising for floaters but kept on and rose for dunks? Don't you think he gets drafted higher? Or rated higher?

If he was 18 going on 19 instead of 19 going on 20, wouldn't that change how teams view him?

If he shot well at the college level, wouldn't he have been higher?

If he was 190 or whatever with a matured body at his age, maybe he's rated higher? Maybe teams think he can contribute sooner because he can handle the physicality better right away?

Just factors, that's all. Not declarative of his career, but elements that affect a project.

[SAGirl]

People are going to think I'm cursing the kid, but his game reminds me a lot of what I think Anderson's game will eventually be, though at a faster pace. Murray seems to like to go through his man rather than around them. By that I mean that he likes to go into defenders rather than trying to use speed to get by them in space. If you look at his highlights, you can see that Murray isn't a big crossover guy, at least not when he's facing up his defender from a few feet away. Rather than trying to make the defender commit to a direction, he seems to try to beat his defender to a spot so he can seal them. That's a lot like Kyle does when he attacks, but obviously his size is more objectively a mismatch, so shooting over his man is always a possibility.

I'm not sure if Murray's strategy is good or bad. I could understand him losing a lot of balls with the way he likes to dribble into the defense. But at the same time, it's much harder to defend a guy when staying in front of him plays into his strategy. It's going to be interesting to see if he can develop into a PG. His idol Crawford never did it. Murray seems to have some natural play-making ability, but he may not be able to show that with his current offensive proclivities
Its possible he's really a SG at heart but bc he didn't have a good enough shot (I hope that's fixable) his college coach used him more as an on ball PG. When asked about him, even RC implied they had observed him in some games but he didn't know that much about him. He declined comparing him to anyone, and when asked if he was a PG or SG, he also said they didn't know yet. RC also said they can't draft for need. One assumes he was the best talent available in their estimation and they will figure out what he is and go from there.

I look forward to seeing him develop. I like the Spurs idea to nurture what the guys's talent is, (is he looking to set others up with his moves or is he looking for his shots? how does he really play? until they have him and see him play they don't know for sure). Kyle is usually always looking to pass. Even at the last sec if he sees somebody spring open he will pass. He used and still uses misdirection and fakes moves to create for someone. That's just his game. I think he only takes shots one on one if he doesn't draw help, and what seems like passiveness to us really is a desire to avoid taking bad shots and looking for the best possible shot. I always get the feeling he can get his shot whenever he wanted, but you don't run an offense that way. That's just Kyle's game again. Sometimes you see Kyle even in the NBA get all the way into the paint leisurely and one wonders how the heck at his pace he's getting into the paint. It's easy, at the sight of a double or help he passes. At that rate he can end with 7 assists games like the one he had against the Grizzlies. So after he kills the other team with his passing eventually they just let him go one on one and don't help. That's how he was defended in college. They feared more his passing. Pop hasn't taken advantage of that instead using Kyle as a spot up shooter but that is a gripe for another day.

For Dejonte, I don't know, I think his intention is probably scoring rather than passing and that's where he ends all twisted up with inefficient shots, but his craftiness is very helpful to get by someone and he can maybe fake guys into positions that he's learned to exploit. I read somewhere that some players would rather let the defense commit to something and based on that they go to their moves, rather than just go out there wildly and get surprised by a defender showing once the offensive player committed to a move and can't adjust. That kind of cerebral craftiness is a talent that he seems to have naturally But I really can't say, I haven't watched him enough TBH, but I look forward to.

[SAGirl]

Who posted otherwise?

There's some nuance that is present.

I responded to a question about how he could fall, and I laid out some reasons, all factored together, caused him to be available where he was (which quite a few people had him rated as being there, and others had him higher and he fell compared to their expectations)

That's all.

But another way to look at it is this: take any of the things I posted and make him good/great at it: does that get him drafted higher? If he had everything you've seen positive, the speed, the handle, the size, the nice enough vision, the rebounding ... and he played above the rim in the half court? If when he got by people he wasn't rising for floaters but kept on and rose for dunks? Don't you think he gets drafted higher? Or rated higher?

If he was 18 going on 19 instead of 19 going on 20, wouldn't that change how teams view him?

If he shot well at the college level, wouldn't he have been higher?

If he was 190 or whatever with a matured body at his age, maybe he's rated higher? Maybe teams think he can contribute sooner because he can handle the physicality better right away?

Just factors, that's all. Not declarative of his career, but elements that affect a project.
Fair enough and I agreed with your original comments which I thought were very much on point. I only commented on athleticism bc you seemed to emphasize later on that he wasn't an athletic freak. He's athletic, but not an athletic freak. I do think that could devalue him to some GM. But plenty of athletic freaks don't know how to play basketball unfortunately so their potential is never fully realized and they "bust" for those GM. But he's athletic enough to play for the Spurs I guess. It wasn't a slight to your comment.

[ceperez]

I will say though, that he only seems to have one dunk. So I wouldn't confuse him with Gerald Green. He seems like he likes using his length to finish rather than athleticism, and that will probably serve him well in the NBA. If he plays the one, he'll have plenty of size over most of his opponents. I think his tools a great, but he isn't going to make it in the league solely based on them. He'll have to learn to shoot and put on weight to be more consistent at the rim.

Spurs like guys with length vs guys with bounce. He's got length but just an average bounce.

He's almost as big as D. Green, so that's a big plus.

Spurs will need to fix his shot so its more consistent. Honestly, he's got more upside than Cory Joseph.

[Chinook]

Honestly, he's got more upside than Cory Joseph.

He might. He's definitely ahead of freshman Cory. I think Joseph was a better driver, though. Let's hope Murray takes the shooting competition.

[ceperez]

He might. He's definitely ahead of freshman Cory. I think Joseph was a better driver, though. Let's hope Murray takes the shooting competition.

I just say this because he's got a lot more length than Cory. I always thought Cory as too small as a defensive player.

[gambit1990]

down to start him. idc if he's a rookie. i believe in trial by fire.

at the very least with him starting over parker the ball would be in kawhi's hands more. where it belongs.

[ulosturedge]

He can handle the ball he just needs to play more under control and make better decisions. Where does everyone get that this guy is slow? He's not a speed demon but I wouldn't necessarily call him slow. Hard to tell at this point. His height and wingspan is a bonus. I see alot of upside with this kid.

There's always a risk with any of these players. Especially when your drafting at the end of the first round.

[SAGirl]

He might. He's definitely ahead of freshman Cory. I think Joseph was a better driver, though. Let's hope Murray takes the shooting competition.
He's definitely more aggressive looking to score than freshman Cory.

[SPURt]

Get that sweat in young fella.
They need to change the photo to him on the bench after he gets cursed out by Pop during the regular season and use the same exact caption.

[BackHome]

I like the fact that the kid is a rebounding machine...:)

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BJ4Cy6VtlI

[All Mighty Janitor]

They need to change the photo to him on the bench after he gets cursed out by Pop during the regular season and use the same exact caption.
:lol

[G-Dawgg]

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray is already having an impact :lol

Patty has competition again.. Hopefully it brings out the best in him

748454307423350785

[TheDoctor]

While DeJuan Blair was an American All-McDonald's.


:lol

[TheMulletMan3000]

Great article on Murray. Don't know if somebody already posted it.

https://medium.com/@Coachktemp/dejounte-murray-analysis-44aeb85622ca#.m3xthnjst

[TheMulletMan3000]

Quote from the article:
"But look at the things we can measure. Read again what master of all things analytics Kevin Pelton said about Murray’s projected NBA shooting. Well you don’t have to scroll up, I will paraphrase: it’s the worst. Not only the worst in this draft. Or last year’s draft. Or this decade’s drafts. Or the drafts of this millennium. Nope. THE. WORST EVER."

[K...]

Great article on Murray. Don't know if somebody already posted it.

https://medium.com/@Coachktemp/dejounte-murray-analysis-44aeb85622ca#.m3xthnjst

Holy shit Jimmy that man is hating on the kid. I guess he feels he isn't hating because ends with "kids had never been coached" and "nba is hard" but everything up to that point is that kid is the worst ever and only a first round pick bc rich Paul made him one.

now I kept waiting for him to say.....but the spurs can fix that shit.....But he never did? Can someone console me, can the spurs fix it?

[TheMulletMan3000]

Holy shit Jimmy that man is hating on the kid. I guess he feels he isn't hating because ends with "kids had never been coached" and "nba is hard" but everything up to that point is that kid is the worst ever and only a first round pick bc rich Paul made him one.

now I kept waiting for him to say.....but the spurs can fix that shit.....But he never did? Can someone console me, can the spurs fix it?

He's worth the gamble. Maybe Spurs saw that, in a disciplined system, those things can be fixed. But, damn those gif's are hard to swallow. I am sad.

[SPURt]

Great article on Murray. Don't know if somebody already posted it.

https://medium.com/@Coachktemp/dejounte-murray-analysis-44aeb85622ca#.m3xthnjst
I wonder what his reaction was to the Spurs drafting him? That was pretty brutal.

[Brian Windhorst]

Great article on Murray. Don't know if somebody already posted it.

https://medium.com/@Coachktemp/dejounte-murray-analysis-44aeb85622ca#.m3xthnjst


So the least efficient, worst defender in Husky history, who is the most turnover prone and whose athleticism is mostly illusory, who gives zero effort and who can't rebound or play team defense...

...went in the first round because of his agent.

Yeah sure. This guy just sounds like a hater.

College basketball is a terrible sport. That a 19 year old playing with a bunch of 20 year olds makes a bunch of mental mistakes and plays wildly out of control shouldn't come as a surprise. Besides, no team was going to draft Murray because they though he could contribute next year. He has all of the physical and mental tools to be able to excel in the NBA if he works hard for the next few years and if he is well coached. That article was just a long, bitter way of saying that.

[TheMulletMan3000]

I wonder what his reaction was to the Spurs drafting him? That was pretty brutal.

He said he wants him all the best and that he hopes he is wrong. I hope he is wrong.

[TheMulletMan3000]

So the least efficient, worst defender in Husky history, who is the most turnover prone and whose athleticism is mostly illusory, who gives zero effort and who can't rebound or play team defense...

...went in the first round because of his agent.

Yeah sure. This guy just sounds like a hater.

College basketball is a terrible sport. That a 19 year old playing with a bunch of 20 year olds makes a bunch of mental mistakes and plays wildly out of control shouldn't come as a surprise. Besides, no team was going to draft Murray because they though he could contribute next year. He has all of the physical and mental tools to be able to excel in the NBA if he works hard for the next few years and if he is well coached. That article was just a long, bitter way of saying that.

"Murray’s projected .458 true shooting percentage would become the worst for any first-round pick in my database."
That is pretty bad. If Chip fixes that...

[palangi]

So the least efficient, worst defender in Husky history, who is the most turnover prone and whose athleticism is mostly illusory, who gives zero effort and who can't rebound or play team defense...

...went in the first round because of his agent.

Yeah sure. This guy just sounds like a hater.

College basketball is a terrible sport. That a 19 year old playing with a bunch of 20 year olds makes a bunch of mental mistakes and plays wildly out of control shouldn't come as a surprise. Besides, no team was going to draft Murray because they though he could contribute next year. He has all of the physical and mental tools to be able to excel in the NBA if he works hard for the next few years and if he is well coached. That article was just a long, bitter way of saying that.
Yeah this whole thing seems like it is written by a guy that was offended by murray sometime? I wonder if he didn't sign an autograph for this guy one time? Or maybe he didn't say HI with enough enthusiasm.

Worst ever? this dude is hyperbole because of something personal.

[palangi]

He said he wants him all the best and that he hopes he is wrong. I hope he is wrong.
Actions speak louder than words.

he can say what he wants but there is something personal here.

[dabom]

Yeah this whole thing seems like it is written by a guy that was offended by murray sometime? I wonder if he didn't sign an autograph for this guy one time? Or maybe he didn't say HI with enough enthusiasm.

Worst ever? this dude is hyperbole because of something personal.

He didn't take a picture with his daughter...

[TheMulletMan3000]

Worst projected true shooting % for any first-round pick, ever. It is a fact.

[objective]

Great article on Murray. Don't know if somebody already posted it.

https://medium.com/@Coachktemp/dejounte-murray-analysis-44aeb85622ca#.m3xthnjst

Damn.

I wish I hadn't read that, I didn't need to get more pissed off that the Spurs took him over Gary Payton II

I knew the defense had holes, but I didn't know it was that damn terrible.

The bad shooting we knew, and I knew of Pelton's numbers showing him being bad.

But that defense and defensive effort will keep him out of the NBA. And the reason is the lack of improvement over the season at Washington, the evidence is damning.

He is light years from playing serviceable NBA ball.

[Keepin' it real]

Damn.

I wish I hadn't read that, I didn't need to get more pissed off that the Spurs took him over Gary Payton II

I knew the defense had holes, but I didn't know it was that damn terrible.

The bad shooting we knew, and I knew of Pelton's numbers showing him being bad.

But that defense and defensive effort will keep him out of the NBA. And the reason is the lack of improvement over the season at Washington, the evidence is damning.

He is light years from playing serviceable NBA ball.


http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t231/Fred_Blogs/frazer_doomed_zps771ea90c.jpg

[SAGirl]

He's worth the gamble. Maybe Spurs saw that, in a disciplined system, those things can be fixed. But, damn those gif's are hard to swallow. I am sad.

I think they interviewed the kid and got the impression from him that he will work hard on his deficiencies and bc he's young they gambled that he can improve.

RC had to take gambles in the draft on possible high upside guys with fixable things. If he doesn't fix those things he won't stick around.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Damn.

I wish I hadn't read that, I didn't need to get more pissed off that the Spurs took him over Gary Payton II

I knew the defense had holes, but I didn't know it was that damn terrible.

The bad shooting we knew, and I knew of Pelton's numbers showing him being bad.

But that defense and defensive effort will keep him out of the NBA. And the reason is the lack of improvement over the season at Washington, the evidence is damning.

He is light years from playing serviceable NBA ball.

GP2 went undrafted, so the Spurs could've had him if they moved fast enough. But the front office wanted shooters to make up for the lack of 3-point production from the PG position, hence they signed Ryan Arcidiacono and Bryn Forbes instead.

Murray is really a longer term project to replace Manu.

[palangi]

Damn.

I wish I hadn't read that, I didn't need to get more pissed off that the Spurs took him over Gary Payton II

I knew the defense had holes, but I didn't know it was that damn terrible.

The bad shooting we knew, and I knew of Pelton's numbers showing him being bad.

But that defense and defensive effort will keep him out of the NBA. And the reason is the lack of improvement over the season at Washington, the evidence is damning.

He is light years from playing serviceable NBA ball.
Man you guys are so easily manipulated.

So the professionals, on TV, or that have drafted NBA talent before don't know as much as some random dude who happened to go to Washington. Because a lot of the professionals have stated the Spurs got a steal. But because some jaded fan cherry picks some plays and stats he seems to know?

And your our upset we didn't draft Peyton? The same dude NOBODY else drafted either?

oh good God!

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHt0ynJFT3Q

[Russ]

Great article on Murray. Don't know if somebody already posted it.

https://medium.com/@Coachktemp/dejounte-murray-analysis-44aeb85622ca#.m3xthnjst

Murray should be made to read this entire article every morning.

Pop should tell him to recite every word from memory before he sees a minute on the floor.

This is so good, you'd almost swear the Spurs put the guy up to writing it -- like the two guys in the gym, one who pretends to harass the hottest chick and the other who steps in to ingratiate himself.

Bravo!

[TheGreatYacht]

Won't be a worse shooter that fathead's rookie season, that's for damn sure

[dabom]

Won't be a worse shooter that fathead's rookie season, that's for damn sure

:lol he can shoot better than future 3 year fathead.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Man you guys are so easily manipulated.

So the professionals, on TV, or that have drafted NBA talent before don't know as much as some random dude who happened to go to Washington. Because a lot of the professionals have stated the Spurs got a steal. But because some jaded fan cherry picks some plays and stats he seems to know?

And your our upset we didn't draft Peyton? The same dude NOBODY else drafted either?

oh good God!

Steal? Not really.

In a table of nine mock drafts from leading sites ordered by consensus average (see table below), Murray was pegged at 29, exactly where the Spurs picked him.

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DqnvGBbZworYl08uKv-HJpSUmlw=/1600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6508233/Consensus160518-Full.0.PNG

He'll only turn out to be a steal if the Spurs can develop him enough to generally outperform those who were drafted higher. It's too early to pass any judgement at this stage.

[tholdren]

Man you guys are so easily manipulated.

So the professionals, on TV, or that have drafted NBA talent before don't know as much as some random dude who happened to go to Washington. Because a lot of the professionals have stated the Spurs got a steal. But because some jaded fan cherry picks some plays and stats he seems to know?

And your our upset we didn't draft Peyton? The same dude NOBODY else drafted either?

oh good God!

TV personalities are paid to entertain. They are going to say things to make you watch. This was a terrible draft, but was heralded to be great. The college analysts, don't watch every game. They're essentially ST. They watch the highlights then make shit up based on highlights. Why did everyone pass on this kid IF he was so good? Same thing said about Anderson when he was drafted. Yet, he fell to the end of the round.

[palangi]

Steal? Not really.

In a table of nine mock drafts from leading sites ordered by consensus average (see table below), Murray was pegged at 29, exactly where the Spurs picked him.

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DqnvGBbZworYl08uKv-HJpSUmlw=/1600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6508233/Consensus160518-Full.0.PNG

He'll only turn out to be a steal if the Spurs can develop him enough to generally outperform those who were drafted higher. It's too early to pass any judgement at this stage.
You can argue with me all you want. But that is what the talking heads said. So you can show me what ever you want, I'm not going to read it. Because mock drafts aren't meant to be serious either.

Way to try though.

[palangi]

TV personalities are paid to entertain. They are going to say things to make you watch. This was a terrible draft, but was heralded to be great. The college analysts, don't watch every game. They're essentially ST. They watch the highlights then make shit up based on highlights. Why did everyone pass on this kid IF he was so good? Same thing said about Anderson when he was drafted. Yet, he fell to the end of the round.
Some do watch games though. But hey you want to believe a jaded fan instead then by all means, go for it. I just wonder why nobody has hired him?

[palangi]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/6/23/12022428/spurs-draft-washington-point-guard-dejounte-murray-with-29th-pick

if only Bill Simmons knew as much as you guys and the jaded fan?

[palangi]

Hmmmmm...Jay Bilas and Chad Ford had him at 10 to Milwaukee. I wish they would watch college basketball or talk to NBA teams like you guys and the jaded fan does!?

http://www.aseaofblue.com/2016/6/21/11988794/nba-mock-draft-jay-bilas-chad-ford-lottery

[Atl Spur]

The two traits that their are no present test for are heart or desire! This kid will prove how much of both he have in the near future...... I put my money on this dude succeeding.

[djohn14]

Nobody would have been happy regardless off the pick. At fucking pick number 29 in a pretty shitty draft we took a 19 year old with potential who averaged 16, 6, and 4 in the NCAA. Theres nothing to be upset with there. It might not be the guy you wanted, hell I wanted Cheick Diallo...thought we could develope him into an Ibaka type player...But theres nothing wrong with this pick. Theres actually something to get excited about.

[tim_duncan_fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BJ4Cy6VtlI

Hopefully these people are not the "can I have this/you're the one who made it, give me this" type to make a young athlete go broke.

[palangi]

Nobody would have been happy regardless off the pick. At fucking pick number 29 in a pretty shitty draft we took a 19 year old with potential who averaged 16, 6, and 4 in the NCAA. Theres nothing to be upset with there. It might not be the guy you wanted, hell I wanted Cheick Diallo...thought we could develope him into an Ibaka type player...But theres nothing wrong with this pick. Theres actually something to get excited about.
I agree. He also plays a position of need for us.

[dylankerouac]

Nobody would have been happy regardless off the pick. At fucking pick number 29 in a pretty shitty draft we took a 19 year old with potential who averaged 16, 6, and 4 as a freshman in the NCAA. Theres nothing to be upset with there. It might not be the guy you wanted, hell I wanted Cheick Diallo...thought we could develope him into an Ibaka type player...But theres nothing wrong with this pick. Theres actually something to get excited about.

Fixed.

[SPURt]

He put up better numbers than MJ as a NCAA freshman

[ceperez]

The dude probably hasn't gotten over himself considering that he's got James' agent and even has this reality show around him.

Spurs will have trouble having him sign a 4 year rookie deal.

[ace3g]

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[TrainOfThought5]

down to start him. idc if he's a rookie. i believe in trial by fire.

at the very least with him starting over parker the ball would be in kawhi's hands more. where it belongs.

Trial by fire assumes youre ready for a trial of any sort. DJM isnt there yet.

[Marcus Bryant]

Good prospect. Has he made it to the Hall yet on here?

[BatManu20]

749694172546863104

[palangi]

Good prospect. Has he made it to the Hall yet on here?
No but he has made it to the trash by many here already.

[SAGirl]

Wishing Dejounte the best. I hope his contract situation gets resolved soon so we can see him in the Spurs Summer League team.

[Solid D]

This kid can flat-out play.

[kjhip1]

Wishing Dejounte the best. I hope his contract situation gets resolved soon so we can see him in the Spurs Summer League team.

Yeah if we can see him in the summer league, that would be nice. Anxious to see what he can do, especially with KA and Simmons on the team.

[Sean Cagney]

Won't be a worse shooter that fathead's rookie season, that's for damn sure

:lol

[TrueSpursFan]

Anyone know if he's playing tonight? Now that we settled on a figure for gasol, can the Spurs sign him to a contract already so he can play? Probably won't happen but I was hoping to see him play.