View Full Version : SCOTUS strikes down TX abortion
Spurminator
06-27-2016, 09:32 AM
Edit... Somehow I left "Law" off the thread title.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/texas/supreme-courts-monday-ruling-on-regulation-of-abortion-clinics-in-texas/257194003?Fb (http://www.khou.com/news/local/texas/supreme-courts-monday-ruling-on-regulation-of-abortion-clinics-in-texas/257194003?Fb)
WASHINGTON * The Supreme Court has struck down Texas'widely replicated regulation of abortion clinics in the court's biggest abortion case in nearly a quarter century. The justices voted 5*3 Monday in favor of Texas clinics that protested the regulations as a thinly veiled attempt to make it harder for women to get an abortion in the nation's second most populous state.
Justice Stephen Breyer's majority opinion for the court held that the regulations are medically unnecessary and unconstitutionally limit a woman's right to an abortion. Texas had argued that its 2013 law and subsequent regulations were needed to protect women's health.
The rules required doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals and forced clinics to meet hospital-like standards for outpatient surgery. Abortion clinics challenged the law that already cut the number of abortion providers in half, to roughly 20. Fewer than 10 would remain if the 2013 law were allowed to take full effect.
Clinics in both Dallas and Fort Worth were not at risk of closing, but those in rural areas are — such as West Texas and locations along the Mexican border. Monday's ruling came during what is thought to be the final meeting of the justices before they disperse on their summer breaks. These last three cases concern the regulation of abortion clinics in Texas, the public corruption conviction of former Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia and a federal law that aims to keep guns out of the hands of those who have been convicted of domestic violence.
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baseline bum
06-27-2016, 10:05 AM
Fuck Texas thinking they can override national law. Too bad so much damage has already been done with these clinics closing. Of course Roberts, Thomas, and Alito tried to uphold this garbage.
Spurminator
06-27-2016, 10:19 AM
There are still so many ridiculous and condescending requirements that clinics have to meet, such as mandatory waiting periods and sonograms. To my knowledge this doesn't say anything about those.
baseline bum
06-27-2016, 10:26 AM
There are still so many ridiculous and condescending requirements that clinics have to meet, such as mandatory waiting periods and sonograms. To my knowledge this doesn't say anything about those.
But at least they're legal again in Texas.
boutons_deux
06-27-2016, 10:34 AM
5-3, so this is "settled" law.
Now, what will that mean in practice now that TX Repug misogynists have fucked up poor people's health care, defunded PP, condoms, HIV/STI testing, have refused to expand Medicaid, etc, etc.
boutons_deux
06-27-2016, 11:04 AM
SCOTUS also blocks convicted misdemeanor spouse beaters from owning guns. 6-2!!
Garbage Thomas never fails to amuse
"A dissenting Justice Clarence Thomas boiled these down to: "The Angry Plate Thrower" versus the "Soapy-Handed Husband," to illustrate the difference between the use of force in an situation when someone who throws a plate in anger near his wife, even if it doesn't hit her, and someone with soapy hands who "loses his grip on a plate, which then shatters and cuts his
wife." The Soapy-Handed Husband could clearly keep his guns, while the plate thrower could not, according to the majority in ruling against Voisine."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/supreme-court-says-no-guns-wife-beaters
RandomGuy
06-27-2016, 11:09 AM
What I find shocking is the sheer level of duplicity on the part of Republicans.
"This is about women's health".
Republican Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick added that abortion clinics are now "free to ignore these basic safety standards and continue practicing under substandard conditions. By its ruling, the court held that the ability of abortion clinics to remain open – even under substandard conditions –outweighs the state’s ability to put women’s health and safety first."
No one believes that. Not on either side of the debate.
It is the most blatant lie, and told so openly it is a bit shocking.
If your preferred policy solution requires lying to my face, it is almost certainly shitty public policy. Sadly, so many of those policies tend to be Republican ones, and the basis of a major political party platform.
boutons_deux
06-27-2016, 11:31 AM
"It is the most blatant lie, and told so openly it is a bit shocking."
you're STILL shocked by Repugs LIES? If their lips are moving, they're lying.
FromWayDowntown
06-27-2016, 11:56 AM
What I find shocking is the sheer level of duplicity on the part of Republicans.
"This is about women's health".
No one believes that. Not on either side of the debate.
It is the most blatant lie, and told so openly it is a bit shocking.
If your preferred policy solution requires lying to my face, it is almost certainly shitty public policy. Sadly, so many of those policies tend to be Republican ones, and the basis of a major political party platform.
That's why the "They can just travel to New Mexico" argument offered by the State was so readily dismissed by several justices.
RandomGuy
06-28-2016, 02:06 PM
"It is beyond rational belief that [the law] could genuinely protect the health of women, and certain that the law 'would simply make it more difficult for them to obtain abortions,'" she wrote. "When a state severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners ... at great risk to their health and safety."
Ginsburg concluded: "Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers laws like [this one] that 'do little or nothing for health, but rather strew impediments to abortion' cannot survive judicial inspection."
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RandomGuy
06-28-2016, 02:09 PM
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RandomGuy
06-28-2016, 02:10 PM
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boutons_deux
06-28-2016, 02:19 PM
https://66.media.tumblr.com/58433ec0b71533453098af8cf18b237f/tumblr_o3hwz4giF71s9rx9zo1_500.png
yep, the Repug War on Women is really a Misogynist War on Poor (black, brown) Womens' Vaginas.
Repugs' and evangelicals' wives and daughters in TRAP states fly to wherever they can have an abortion, and they can afford contraception and HIV/STI tests, too.
boutons_deux
06-28-2016, 02:44 PM
TEXAS WEIGHS BAN ON WOMEN
AUSTIN — Republican lawmakers in the Texas State Senate are proposing a precedent-setting new bill that would make it illegal for women to live in the state.
Senator Harland Dorrinson, one of the many pro-life lawmakers backing the woman ban, crafted his bill after witnessing Senator Wendy Davis filibuster an anti-abortion bill last month.
“That was our moment to say, ‘Enough is enough,’ ” he said. “This comes down to a choice between life and women, and we choose life.”
Senator Dorrinson said his bill would call for a twenty-foot woman-proof fence to be constructed along the borders of the state.
“Women are great at talking, but not at climbing,” he observed.
But another G.O.P. state senator, Cal Jamson, believes that the total ban on women goes “too far” and is proposing a less draconian bill that would allow some women to remain in the state as guest workers.
“Texas needs women to cook, clean, and cheerlead,” he said. “If they show that they can do those things and stay out of politics, there could be a pathway to citizenship.”
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/texas-weighs-ban-on-women#Texit (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/texas-weighs-ban-on-women#Texit)
baseline bum
06-28-2016, 04:34 PM
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Thank you judge Ginsburg.
CosmicCowboy
06-28-2016, 04:53 PM
It was a dumb law.
As I have said repeatedly, The Republican party needs to cool it on the social issues. I could give a fuck if women have abortions or gays want to marry.
In fact, just like Boutons, I am in favor of more poor blacks and hispanics getting abortions. :lol
RandomGuy
06-28-2016, 06:10 PM
It was a dumb law.
As I have said repeatedly, The Republican party needs to cool it on the social issues. I could give a fuck if women have abortions or gays want to marry.
In fact, just like Boutons, I am in favor of more poor blacks and hispanics getting abortions. :lol
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RandomGuy
06-28-2016, 06:11 PM
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RandomGuy
06-28-2016, 06:17 PM
My new favorite show.
It's like the Daily Show had kids that were just as good, if not better.
pgardn
06-28-2016, 08:19 PM
What I find shocking is the sheer level of duplicity on the part of Republicans.
"This is about women's health".
No one believes that. Not on either side of the debate.
It is the most blatant lie, and told so openly it is a bit shocking.
If your preferred policy solution requires lying to my face, it is almost certainly shitty public policy. Sadly, so many of those policies tend to be Republican ones, and the basis of a major political party platform.
Thats for his constituents.
The boy road outta town with his horse on fire by cracky...
ElNono
06-28-2016, 11:01 PM
What I find shocking is the sheer level of duplicity on the part of Republicans.
"This is about women's health".
No one believes that. Not on either side of the debate.
It is the most blatant lie, and told so openly it is a bit shocking.
If your preferred policy solution requires lying to my face, it is almost certainly shitty public policy. Sadly, so many of those policies tend to be Republican ones, and the basis of a major political party platform.
Justice Breyer wrote that the requirement that abortion clinics meet the demanding and elaborate standards for ambulatory surgical centers also did more harm than good.
“Abortions taking place in an abortion facility are safe — indeed, safer than numerous procedures that take place outside hospitals and to which Texas does not apply its surgical-center requirements,” he wrote, reviewing the evidence. “Nationwide, childbirth is 14 times more likely than abortion to result in death, but Texas law allows a midwife to oversee childbirth in the patient’s own home.”
RandomGuy
06-29-2016, 07:43 AM
Thank you judge Ginsburg.
I have become something of a fan. I think her remark to the effect that nine women on SCOTUS would be about the right number is not too far off.
I will find it a delicious irony that the first woman president will be able to pick a woman to replace Scalia, and the GOP will have no one to blame but themselves for ignoring the constitution.
boutons_deux
06-29-2016, 08:30 AM
I have become something of a fan. I think her remark to the effect that nine women on SCOTUS would be about the right number is not too far off.
I will find it a delicious irony that the first woman president will be able to pick a woman to replace Scalia, and the GOP will have no one to blame but themselves for ignoring the constitution.
Will Garland withdraw 20 Jan 2017?
Obama fucked up by not appointing a progressive to serve in Obama's last year. We wouldn't have all these 4-4 "unsettled" decisions.
I don't expect any big progressive moves from moderate Republican Hillary. Bill implemented 5 major VRWC/Repug long-term programs.
RandomGuy
06-29-2016, 10:27 AM
Will Garland withdraw 20 Jan 2017?
Obama fucked up by not appointing a progressive to serve in Obama's last year. We wouldn't have all these 4-4 "unsettled" decisions.
I don't expect any big progressive moves from moderate Republican Hillary. Bill implemented 5 major VRWC/Repug long-term programs.
I expect her choice to be somewhat centrist, which will mean that Garland's replacement will be more liberal. I agree she probably won't pick an outright progressive, but one can hope.
Even so, more irony.
Republicans placed the good of their party of that of the country, and should be made to suffer a penalty for that. I'm cool with that. Fuck 'em.
boutons_deux
06-29-2016, 11:35 AM
I expect hillary nominee to be to right of Garland.
Hillary knows who will make her and Bill even more wealthy.
baseline bum
06-29-2016, 11:42 AM
I expect hillary nominee to be to right of Garland.
Hillary knows who will make her and Bill even more wealthy.
Probably someone very conservative economically while being liberal on social issues so she can tell everyone how she nominated someone who stands up for the people.
boutons_deux
06-29-2016, 12:14 PM
Probably someone very conservative economically while being liberal on social issues so she can tell everyone how she nominated someone who stands up for the people.
yep, and BigFinance/BigCorp is what's screwing Americans, not social issues.
yep, and BigFinance/BigCorp is what's screwing Americans, not social issues.
Which is more important to you - the economic or the social side?
SpursforSix
06-29-2016, 02:25 PM
Cue boutons gibberish including "VWRC", "fucked and unfuckable", and "Monsanto". Without really answering anything.
boutons_deux
06-29-2016, 02:33 PM
Which is more important to you - the economic or the social side?
economics. BigFinance/BigCorp screw more people, and that includes death, EVERY YEAR than all Muslim terrorists combined.
CosmicCowboy
06-29-2016, 03:01 PM
Living in his mothers trailer has really fucked up Boos perception of the world.
economics. BigFinance/BigCorp screw more people, and that includes death, EVERY YEAR than all Muslim terrorists combined.
Well, then, shouldn't you switch to Trump, who is much more like Bernie (anti-free trade, anti-establishment) than Hillary? After all, Hillary is hand-in-hand with Wall Street, NAFTA, TPP, etc. Trump for all his pettiness, arrogance, bluster, exaggeration has affected/harmed Americans less than Hillary. And imo he's much less likely to go to war than Hillary.
Someone asked me the other day if it didn't bother me that Trump is sexist and I said, what is he, as president, gonna do to affect me because I'm a woman - absolutely nothing. What Trump says is no worse than the stuff I hear here. What will he do to protect my husband's job (something that has GREAT impact on my life) - much more than Hillary - she wants to increase immigration (in particular, H-1B visas).
boutons_deux
06-29-2016, 04:07 PM
Well, then, shouldn't you switch to Trump,
Trash is lying to you.
He can't stop the Deep State/MIC from continuous, indecisive warring.
He ain't gonna get BigCorp to close their overseas factories and bring jobs back.
He's FUCKING conning you.
boutons_deux
07-26-2016, 04:38 PM
Texas Lawmaker’s ‘Coerced Abortion’ Campaign ‘Wildly Divorced From Reality’
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A Texas GOP lawmaker has teamed up with an anti-choice organization to raise awareness about the supposed prevalence of forced or coerced abortion, which critics say is “wildly divorced from reality.”
Rep. Molly White (https://rewire.news/legislative-tracker/person/molly-white/) (R-Belton) during a press conference at the state capitol on July 13 announced an effort to raise awareness among public officials and law enforcement that forced abortion is illegal in Texas.
Heather Busby, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Texas, said in an email to Rewire that White’s education initiative overstates the prevalence of coerced abortion. “Molly White’s so-called ‘forced abortion’ campaign is yet another example that shows she is wildly divorced from reality,” Busby said.
There is limited data on the how often people are forced or coerced to end a pregnancy, but Parker alleges that the majority of those who have abortions may be forced or coerced.
https://rewire.news/article/2016/07/26/texas-lawmaker-coerced-abortion-campaign-wildly-divorced-reality/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rhrealitycheck+%28RH+Reality+ Check%29
iow, TX Christian Taliban Mad Molly is fucking lying.
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