Derozan in a Spurs uniform?

[kxs783kms]

He isn't confirmed to be the secret free agent but many around the league think it's him. Would LOVE this if we miss out on KD.

http://clutchpoints.com/nba-free-agent-releases-his-top-4-destinations-anonymously/

[Chinook]

EW. FUCKING EW.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

:bang

[Robz4000]

:lmao

[kxs783kms]

EW. FUCKING EW.

Really? Athletic. Great character. Can score. Not sure about his defense. Can create his own shots. In his prime. I hope you guys don't want old farts like Pau over him.

[look_at_g_shred]

lawd ::downspin:

[spurtech09]

Derozan on the Spurs would be awesome.....

[Chinook]

Really? Athletic. Great character. Can score. Not sure about his defense. Can create his own shots. In his prime. I hope you guys don't want old farts like Pau over him.

Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.

[coachmac87]

Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.

You don't mean that...

[RD2191]

Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.

Lol gtfo. He'd be a major upgrade over Green.

[Chinook]

Lol gtfo. He'd be a major upgrade over Green.

You've gone off the deep end, Rob. Dude is a 28-percent three-point shooter and was 80th in the league in defensive RPM among two-guards this past year. Never took you for one who would be suckered in by iso play, man. Disappointed.

[look_at_g_shred]

Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.
:lmao bruh I get that his shot selection at times can be iffy but c'mon now..

[Chinook]

:lmao bruh I get that his shot selection at times can be iffy but c'mon now..

I don't think people realize how much fool's gold DeRozan is. He's the two-guard version of Carlos Boozer -- at best.

[RD2191]

You've gone off the deep end, Rob. Dude is a 28-percent three-point shooter and was 80th in the league in defensive RPM among two-guards this past year. Never took you for one who would be suckered in by iso play, man. Disappointed.
Don't get me wrong, I'd take a DG hitting 3s and playing monster D over him but DG hitting 3s is anything but a given these days.

[Emperor]

Green>DeRozan.

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't think people realize how much fool's gold DeRozan is. He's the two-guard version of Carlos Boozer -- at best.
Sure but he won't be taking as many shots as he did in Toronto..also probably the biggest reason he'd never come here in the first place.

[Leetonidas]

lolwtf. hell no. most overrated all star since mo williams tbh

[Ice009]

Cheer up ya'll, forget about Durant. DEROZAN IS COMING! ;).

[8FOR!3]

DeRozan as a primary #1-2 scorer is too much for me, bc he chucks and isn't a great 3 point shooter. But as a guy playing the 3rd most important scorer in the offense I think he'd be great. Can't shoot like Green, but he's a better athlete, still a decent defender, and he can drive as well as hit the midrange jumper. Sure, most fans feel like the midrange game was over utilized last year but I think we can agree that it would've been nice if Green was capable of hitting it or driving to the basket every time they ran him off the line.

[Chinook]

Don't get me wrong, I'd take a DG hitting 3s and playing monster D over him but DG hitting 3s is anything but a given these days.

You'd rather than Demar chucking up long-twos while Kawhi and LMA stand there waiting for a rebound? Dude is like a Kobe if Kobe couldn't shoot.

[jyra]

It was already mentioned in the offseason thread that Kennedy said that the mystery man was a big man but that tweet seems to be gone now. I guess this makes for better speculation and clicks.

Edit: never mind, didn't scroll down far enough:

747489488616718337

[Spur|n|Austin]

Nope, way too much $$ and too much of a risk. Danny over Derozen all day.

[Chinook]

Sure but he won't be taking as many shots as he did in Toronto..also probably the biggest reason he'd never come here in the first place.

It's not shot-selection. He is just bad at shooting. With Kobe, it was shot-selection. Demar is like a Bizzarro-Green.

[RD2191]

You'd rather than Demar chucking up long-twos while Kawhi and LMA stand there waiting for a rebound? Dude is like a Kobe if Kobe couldn't shoot.

Well he isn't coming here so I guess it's a pointless discussion.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah because this team has never improved any player's jumpshot before.

[look_at_g_shred]

You'd rather than Demar chucking up long-twos while Kawhi and LMA stand there waiting for a rebound? Dude is like a Kobe if Kobe couldn't shoot.
Sounds alot like a certain kind of PG already on the roster. Fun.

[spurtech09]

Cheer up ya'll, forget about Durant. DEROZAN IS COMING! ;).Derozan it is.......

[FromWayDowntown]

It was already mentioned in the offseason thread that Kennedy said that the mystery man was a big man but that tweet seems to be gone now. I guess this makes for better speculation and clicks.

Edit: never mind, didn't scroll down far enough:

747489488616718337

Taking the list and this clue, the whole thing reads a lot like a list that Pau Gasol might make.

[Keepin' it real]

Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rzMzXXvcg4w/hqdefault.jpg

[r0drig0lac]

https://media.giphy.com/media/rUQ3jVUsb5Hwc/giphy.gif

[UZER]

Dirk

[Chinook]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rzMzXXvcg4w/hqdefault.jpg

Four years ago, this might have been appropriate. But DeRozan has developed very poorly since then.

[loveforthegame]

Eww. Not Spurs material at all.

[MarCowMar]

The unnamed big man free agent has gotta be Bonner trolling everyone.

[TimDunkem]

The unnamed big man free agent has gotta be Bonner trolling everyone.
I wouldn't doubt it...That mother fucker.

[Spur|n|Austin]

The unnamed big man free agent has gotta be Bonner trolling everyone.

:lol that fucking ginger sandwich grabber

[benefactor]

It is terrible, this idea

[K...]

I thought he was going to resign with raps? It was a pretty clear statement. Not sure what else would sway him.

[Keepin' it real]

Four years ago, this might have been appropriate. But DeRozan has developed very poorly since then.

Whether he developed poorly or not, he'd still be the fourth, possibly third best player on the team if the Spurs signed him.

[Chinook]

Whether he developed poorly or not, he'd still be the fourth, possibly third best player on the team if the Spurs signed him.

In the same way Rubio would be, but even worse.

[skut_farkus]

A shooting guard who can't shoot :lol

[DesignatedT]

Kennedy already said it is supposedly a big man. /thread

[td4mvp2k]

A shooting guard who can't shoot :lol

tbh

[FromWayDowntown]

Kennedy already said it is supposedly a big man. /thread

Maybe it's Boban . . . or Diaw . . . or Ian Mahinmi . . . or (dare I say):

Scola.

[AFMadison]

Kennedy already said it is supposedly a big man. /thread
For me I think the player already plays for either the Spurs or the Raptors, and if it's a big man I would assume it is....

Biyombo, Diaw, or West.

[Chinook]

Maybe it's Boban . . . or Diaw . . . or Ian Mahinmi . . . or (dare I say):

Scola.

I had thought about Scola, actually. I could see him being interested in being the next David West, and if he's come for the min, I think he'd be fine in that role. Toronto as a second choice would make sense. Cleveland makes sense, as they are always looking for bigs who can shoot. New York is the only odd one. I see no obvious reason why they'd be fourth on his list.

[Obstructed_View]

Not sure I would want any player who had Toronto and the Knicks on an "all things being equal" list.

[dabom]

Well he isn't coming here so I guess it's a pointless discussion.

[Emperor]

My guess is Mozgov. Every one of those teams beside Cleveland has a euro big and maybe he might feel more comfortable playing alongside one imo.

[DPG21920]

Don't get me wrong, I'd take a DG hitting 3s and playing monster D over him but DG hitting 3s is anything but a given these days.

Ugh.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Mahinimi would be interesting. I thought the Spurs gave up too soon on him. Especially after Spurs docs misdiagnosed his ankle that one year that he would have had a ton of playing time.

[gambit1990]

:td

[All Mighty Janitor]

It's not a terrible idea. He's talented but we would need a 3 point shooting point guard to go along with him. Derozan can run pick and roll so he can take up some of those responsibilities. He draws fouls which would be good for our slow paced offence. He would need to improve his defense which I think he could do with less of a load and next to Kawhi. The more I think about it the more I like the the idea of Derozan coming here.

Not gonna happen though because of Tony.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Maybe it's Boban . . . or Diaw . . . or Ian Mahinmi . . . or (dare I say):

Scola.
It's Pau. This mystery big man said he was interested in the contenders and New York.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's Pau. This mystery big man said he was interested in the contenders and New York.

I agree with that, as suggested on the previous page.

Pau makes sense because each of those destinations make sense for him. The prior flirtation with the Spurs (and Marc's recent comments) make SA a very realistic choice. Toronto makes sense for him as a cosmopolitan, international city with a team that is a relative contender. Cleveland obviously makes sense for anyone. And Pau's relationships with Phil and Derrick Rose completely justify mentioning New York as his safety team.

I also don't know that any other big mentioned so far in this thread would: (a) really be someone a beat writer would approach about something like this; and (b) have the ability to make a wish list of this sort.

[timtonymanu]

Lol any Spurs fan that wants DeFrozen

I would rather give Porky another 3 year contract extension

[SAGirl]

Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.
:lol
You have a sense of humor, just not that overt like some guys here.
:toast

[tonight...you]

Well he isn't coming here so I guess it's a pointless discussion.
Your basketball acumen extends as far as your menu memory of the local BK.
Joke poster, but you embrace that, don't you? No hate bro. You keep being the clown on the site.

Clowns get lots of respect around here so you all good.

[SAGirl]

In my view, the tweet is Gasol, second might be Biyombo, ties with Boris and all that.

[resistanze]

He isn't confirmed to be the secret free agent but many around the league think it's him. Would LOVE this if we miss out on KD.

http://clutchpoints.com/nba-free-agent-releases-his-top-4-destinations-anonymously/

:rollin

gnsf take of the year

[All Mighty Janitor]

Lol any Spurs fan that wants DeFrozen

I would rather give Porky another 3 year contract extension
What is it about Derozan you dislike so much? If we could make him fit, does the good not outweigh the bad?

[spurtech09]

In my view, the tweet is Gasol, second might be Biyombo, ties with Boris and all that.Gasol it is.....

[spurtech09]

Gasol and Derozan on the Spurs.....Now that would be very cool....

[timtonymanu]

What is it about Derozan you dislike so much? If we could make him fit, does the good not outweigh the bad?

Because he's been a playoff choker for Toronto the past 3 years. I don't think playing on the Spurs benefits him either. He's pretty inefficient. I definitely don't want him being the #1 option on the team and taking shots away from Kawhi/Aldridge.

[TheGreatYacht]

If he'll take Kyle's minutes, why not?

[noles1983]

Because he's been a playoff choker for Toronto the past 3 years. I don't think playing on the Spurs benefits him either. He's pretty inefficient. I definitely don't want him being the #1 option on the team and taking shots away from Kawhi/Aldridge.

But at the same time, who do we have that can create their own shot besides those 2? Parker is only getting worse, Manu is old. The driving penetration would be welcomed.

[All Mighty Janitor]

Because he's been a playoff choker for Toronto the past 3 years. I don't think playing on the Spurs benefits him either. He's pretty inefficient. I definitely don't want him being the #1 option on the team and taking shots away from Kawhi/Aldridge.
He wouldn't be the number one option. He would come off screens, cut, and run some pick and roll. He would cut out some of his bad shots simply from not having to iso all the time. We don't draw enough fouls to make our offence work and he draws fouls with the best of them which would help our scoring and defense. I know it's not gonna happen, but, looking at the good and bad, I think he would be a plus.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Gasol and Derozan on the Spurs.....Now that would be very cool....

I would be okay with these moves. Two guys that could step into starting roles while Duncan and Green move to bench.

[benefactor]

I would be okay with these moves. Two guys that could step into starting roles while Duncan and Green move to bench.
I bet you would, cat master.

[313]

I'd rather stand pat than add a cancer like Demar

[baseline bum]

I don't want Gasol unless he's willing to come off the bench. He'd be an amazing sixth man but I don't want him getting in Aldridge's way all the time.

[313]

Manu TOSB Ginobili> DeMar "30% playoff FG%" Defrozen

[BatManu20]

Too athletic tbh. Spurs don't like that.

[noles1983]

Too athletic tbh. Spurs don't like that.

:pop: "Not a TOSB, not spurs material"

[313]

He had more games shooting sub 35%(7) than he did shooting over 45%(6) in the playoffs lol

[noles1983]

maybe cuz his team is shit and he has to chuck shots all the time?

[tholdren]

In the same way Rubio would be, but even worse.
Not sure who is worse here. Someone who is known to have no jump shot and never get hot, or someone who is known to shoot shitty Kyrie shots that sometimes can get hot...? See the long list of players like Jamal Crawford in the nba... whatever happened to ben gordon?

[tonight...you]

:rollin

gnsf take of the year
Dr DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!
Great artist, red name.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Fuck no to DeRozan. High volume, low efficiency, can't shoot 3, already have a guy at his position.

Why even consider it?

[coachmac87]

Why is this thread 3 pages?!? Lmao

[cjw]

Why is this thread 3 pages?!? Lmao

To be fair, the page count on the Jimmer one was more egregious. Still, three pages for Derozan is about as bad as it gets.

[james evans]

there is nothing about his game that I like.

[coachmac87]

To be fair, the page count on the Jimmer one was more egregious. Still, three pages for Derozan is about as bad as it gets.

Jimmer at least signed a contract...

This guy isn't coming and shouldn't even be considered

[tonight...you]

I bet you would, cat master.
You live in Austin? I should go visit and drink you under the table twice while my wife clowns you.
I may just drive from El Paso to do dis.
Just for kicks... Don't get mad.

Invite instead. See if you got the yarbles, black name.

[phxspurfan]

Ian Mahinmi our Savior? Returns?1

[tholdren]

im gay

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why are we even talking about him still when the source reporter clarified it's a big man?

That should be the topic. Who could it be?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Why are we even talking about him still when the source reporter clarified it's a big man?

That should be the topic. Who could it be?

My money (as others have opined) is on Pau Gasol.

[RD2191]

You live in Austin? I should go visit and drink you under the table twice while my wife clowns you.
I may just drive from El Paso to do dis.
Just for kicks... Don't get mad.

Invite instead. See if you got the yarbles, black name.

Settle down or me and muh nigga beanerfactor will fuck you up behind whataburger.

[tonight...you]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tonight...you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8643193#post8643193)
im gay

Projecting again, eh? You are such a cock sucker, you don't even care if the nig washed.

[tonight...you]

Settle down or me and muh nigga beanerfactor will fuck you up behind whataburger.
As long as it got's that thousand island.
You gon' throw down the little chicken strip, my baby ******?

[Silver&Black]

It is terrible, this idea

:lol Today's gnsf

[look_at_g_shred]

Tha fuck is goin on in here?

[poeticism707]

It was already mentioned in the offseason thread that Kennedy said that the mystery man was a big man but that tweet seems to be gone now. I guess this makes for better speculation and clicks.

Edit: never mind, didn't scroll down far enough:

747489488616718337

It had better not be Gasol.

Or I'll kick your ass Kennedy...

[rastaspur]

Do not want. Horrible outside shot. Not a good defender. Would rather have danny green over derozen considering the respective price tags

[HarlemHeat37]

As somebody that lives in Toronto and supports the Raps, I was really hoping they wouldn't re-sign Derozan, but it appears that he's going to stay in Toronto, unfortunately..

[GSH]

You've gone off the deep end, Rob. Dude is a 28-percent three-point shooter and was 80th in the league in defensive RPM among two-guards this past year. Never took you for one who would be suckered in by iso play, man. Disappointed.


DeRozan drew 258 shooting fouls last season. Danny drew 15. I don't have to write a full-page explanation of what that means.

DeRozan scored 1830 points last season. Danny scored 572, and the most he's ever scored was 946. One of the most common bitches about Danny is that he can't get to the rim and finish. DeRozan can.

I don't know about whether he'd be a good fit, but DeRozan is not as bad of a player as you're saying. His biggest problem is shot selection. Some guys get better at that, some don't. But some of that may have been the fact that he was playing for freaking Toronto, and sometimes he was the only option on the floor.

[DPG21920]

How many shots did DeRozan take to score those points? He gets more shots as a focal point he better score more than DG.

People really overvalue points and undervalue defense. Of course, there are things DeRozan does way better than Danny; however, actual impact on the court for a winning team and factoring in money?

[tholdren]

As somebody that lives in Toronto and supports the Raps, I was really hoping they wouldn't re-sign Derozan, but it appears that he's going to stay in Toronto, unfortunately..
Ive met people from canada multiple times on vacation. It is unfortunate.

[palangi]

How many shots did DeRozan take to score those points? He gets more shots as a focal point he better score more than DG.

People really overvalue points and undervalue defense. Of course, there are things DeRozan does way better than Danny; however, actual impact on the court for a winning team and factoring in money?
DeRozan also scores in a variety of ways unlike one trick pony Green.

Its amazing the the blind love Green gets from some here. He is replaceable. He isn't an all star.

[DPG21920]

DeRozan also scores in a variety of ways unlike one trick pony Green.

Its amazing the the blind love Green gets from some here. He is replaceable. He isn't an all star.

No one said he isn't replaceble (although his defense is not since he grades out as pretty much the best SG defensive player in the league & his 3PT shooting is not replaceable easily at all either).

[palangi]

No one said he isn't replaceble (although his defense is not since he grades out as pretty much the best SG defensive player in the league & his 3PT shooting is not replaceable easily at all either).
His 7.2 ppg and 33.3% 3 point shooting is very replaceable.

and you can quote defensive metrics all you want. It doesn't tell a truthful story. If he was so good, or as good as his metrics, why isn't he a first team all NBA defensive player? Hell, why isn't he even 2nd team?

[DPG21920]

His 7.2 ppg and 33.3% 3 point shooting is very replaceable.

and you can quote defensive metrics all you want. It doesn't tell a truthful story. If he was so good, or as good as his metrics, why isn't he a first team all NBA defensive player? Hell, why isn't he even 2nd team?

:lmao

[palangi]

:lmao
Exactly my feeling too! But...but...his defense!

[DPG21920]

Exactly my feeling too! But...but...his defense!

33% shooting :lmao

[palangi]

33% shooting :lmao
That's what he shot last year. But I'm sure you didn't want to remember that!

[DPG21920]

I'm going to stop here. I don't like coming off as mean or poking fun too much even when I disagree in such a major way.

[palangi]

Nothing mean here at all. Just discussion

[GSH]

How many shots did DeRozan take to score those points? He gets more shots as a focal point he better score more than DG.

People really overvalue points and undervalue defense. Of course, there are things DeRozan does way better than Danny; however, actual impact on the court for a winning team and factoring in money?

Covered that.


His biggest problem is shot selection. Some guys get better at that, some don't. But some of that may have been the fact that he was playing for freaking Toronto, and sometimes he was the only option on the floor.


I watched him a lot in the playoffs. There were a lot of times when he took shots because he didn't have any choice. He was literally the only guy on the floor who could put the ball in the net. And his guys kept dumping the ball back on him with the clock running out. I know he's a volume shooter, but you can't look at a guy in a vacuum either.

Yeah, a lot of people over-value points, and under-value defense. I'm not one of those people. Danny needs to be on the team, and his $10M contract is going to look like chump change, especially if he keeps hitting his 3's like he did in the playoffs. BUT... that doesn't have anything to do with whether DeRozan would be a worthwhile roster addition, at the right price.

A lot of people also under-value shooting fouls drawn. It's one of the biggest holes in the Spurs' offense. And the value of being able to get to the line goes up an order of magnitude in the playoffs, when more of the games are close and hard-fought. The instinct is to try and use the 3 to close the gap in the last minutes of a close game. But there's no substitute for scoring with the clock stopped. If the Spurs had DeRozan on the roster, they would have met the Warriors in the Conference Finals.

If he was surrounded by guys like Kawhi and LMA, would he keep being a volume chucker, or would he pass up some of those low-percentage shots? I honestly don't know. But his game has the potential to help those other guys be even more effective. I wouldn't over-pay for him, but I sure as hell wouldn't cliff-jump if the Spurs signed him.

[DPG21920]

Well, I think just logically, people know what you said is mutually exclusive. You can't on one hand get DeRozan and on the other hand not over pay him. He's going to get maxed and that is a major reason (beyond some flaws in his game) that people (at least me) react to him.

[GSH]

Well, I think just logically, people know what you said is mutually exclusive. You can't on one hand get DeRozan and on the other hand not over pay him. He's going to get maxed and that is a major reason (beyond some flaws in his game) that people (at least me) react to him.

I never said anything about money. I just responded to Chinook's comments that he's worse than having Kevin Martin back on the roster. I know what you're saying, but you're blaming me for something I never said or hinted at.

TBH, I don't know what "over-paid" means, the way this offseason is shaping up. This cap explosion has everything upside-down. Mid-tier players are apparently going to be signing for almost as much as franchise players who signed a year or two ago. But the max contract is still based on a percentage of the cap. If DeRozan gets maxed, that's fucking ridiculous. But... even though I hear a lot of numbers getting thrown around, the one thing I know is that every decent FA can't get maxed. A lot of these guys are trying to get paid based on next year's projected cap, which is supposed to be around $108M. Contracts signed this year may look like bargains next year - but there just isn't room for that many players to get the max percentage of their team's total cap.

I guess we'll see how it shakes out. But, no, DeRozan isn't a max player.

[DPG21920]

I never said anything about money. I just responded to Chinook's comments that he's worse than having Kevin Martin back on the roster. I know what you're saying, but you're blaming me for something I never said or hinted at.

TBH, I don't know what "over-paid" means, the way this offseason is shaping up. This cap explosion has everything upside-down. Mid-tier players are apparently going to be signing for almost as much as franchise players who signed a year or two ago. But the max contract is still based on a percentage of the cap. If DeRozan gets maxed, that's fucking ridiculous. But... even though I hear a lot of numbers getting thrown around, the one thing I know is that every decent FA can't get maxed. A lot of these guys are trying to get paid based on next year's projected cap, which is supposed to be around $108M. Contracts signed this year may look like bargains next year - but there just isn't room for that many players to get the max percentage of their team's total cap.

I guess we'll see how it shakes out. But, no, DeRozan isn't a max player.

The comment I was responding to was your last comment where you said "I wouldn't over pay for him". Sorry for the confusion.

I agree with you - the market hasn't been set and it's going to be such a culture shock. I mean, to me, it's not just about a guy getting max it's relative comparison. For example even if it's not max no way should DeRozan make more than Kawhi. But the new changes make that a certainty. But it's a shift in how we look at things (% of the cap vs dollar amount).

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

$139 million :lmao

[hooperflash]

$139 million :lmao

Yep!

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16663015/demar-derozan-agrees-re-sign-toronto-raptors-according-source

[Immortal Spur]

some absolute gold in here :lol enjoy

[Dverde]

He should have held out for that “no trade” clause. Oops

[Immortal Spur]

laughing at the contract and now we paying it... chinook with his talent evaluation goods... rob actually liking the idea... greys getting persecuted while have better arguments than bolds.. hilarious :lol

[Immortal Spur]

I don't think people realize how much fool's gold DeRozan is. He's the two-guard version of Carlos Boozer -- at best.
:rofl :lol

[Immortal Spur]

lolwtf. hell no. most overrated all star since mo williams tbh
omegalul

[Chinook]

My worst take was still wanting Splitter over Aldridge in 2014. DeRozan has gotten better, but I also didn't understand how much Pop would be able to alter what he did to get the most out of him. I'm glad that I was wrong.

Still, it's in bad taste for someone to dig up old threads to laugh at takes when they weren't here to make their own.

[Mirrornick]

lol and now these posters are nowhere to be found hahahaha

[Immortal Spur]

My worst take was still wanting Splitter over Aldridge in 2014. DeRozan has gotten better, but I also didn't understand how much Pop would be able to alter what he did to get the most out of him. I'm glad that I was wrong.

Still, it's in bad taste for someone to dig up old threads to laugh at takes when they weren't here to make their own.
oh boyle.. I found this on accident while trying to look up what gnsf meant of all things :lol it's all in good fun and very light hearted. I'm no hater, just having fun with the regulars.

[r0drig0lac]

My worst take was still wanting Splitter over Aldridge in 2014. DeRozan has gotten better, but I also didn't understand how much Pop would be able to alter what he did to get the most out of him. I'm glad that I was wrong.

Still, it's in bad taste for someone to dig up old threads to laugh at takes when they weren't here to make their own.

to be honest, Derozan (raptors version) would already be a huge upgrade over what we had last season

[Chinook]

to be honest, Derozan (raptors version) would already be a huge upgrade over what we had last season

That's true. There were definitely versions of the Spurs that didn't need DeRozan as much as this one, but really once Parker started to fall off, DeMar made sense. Seeing him as a Parker replacement rather than a Green or especially Leonard replacement definitely recasts his view. It's not like Tony was a great defender or shooter either. Would have much rather have had DeRozan back then and avoided that Mills contract the next summer.

[Leetonidas]

lolwtf. hell no. most overrated all star since mo williams tbh

:depressed damn I was hoping I hadn't posted in this thread

[r0drig0lac]

:depressed damn I was hoping I hadn't posted in this thread

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[Mirrornick]

Some of those posters will come out of the cave as soon as DeRozan has a bad game and will say " TOLD YOU SO "

[K...]

Yeah, that was a time when the Spurs thought we had a Western conference championship level talent and didn't need to add more offensive talent. It was pg (Parker replacement) and C (Duncan) that were were focused on.

Had we known: green would not be great, Parker would be so limited, we'd have welcomed DeRozan, but remember Spurs fan thought we might get LeBron, Durant, and cp3. We were spoiled AF

[Chinook]

Yeah, that was a time when the Spurs thought we had a Western conference championship level talent and didn't need to add more offensive talent. It was pg (Parker replacement) and C (Duncan) that were were focused on.

Had we known: green would not be great, Parker would be so limited, we'd have welcomed DeRozan, but remember Spurs fan thought we might get LeBron, Durant, and cp3. We were spoiled AF

Spurs ended up signing Gasol that off-season, and they had Manu's cap hold. I think renouncing everyone and letting Manu walk/giving him the min would have put the Spurs at around $22.5 Million in cap space. Would have left the Spurs about $3 Million short of signing DeRozan. The easy solution may have been to trade Green, since he was in DeMar's spot to begin with, and they could have kept Manu. But Danny was coming off a great post-season and was a year removed from a tremendous regular season. Plus, he was a lot cheaper. Trading Tony would have been the better play tactically, but it wasn't obvious back then how seamlessly DeRozan could replace Tony's role and production. Might have been able to keep Manu, sign Dedmon to a longer-term deal and still had the room exception for another player. In a weird twist, that team would have been loaded on the wings but had no guard depth (no, Forbes and Murray didn't could back then).

Mills/Murray/Forbes
DeRozan/Ginobili/Simmons
Leonard/Green/Anderson
Aldridge/Bertans/Room exception
Dedmon/Lee/Anthony


In reality, that's a damned good roster, and they may well have won the West that year if they could have gotten into the post-season healthy. If it ever occurred to Pop to start running DeRozan at PG to free up a bench spot from Simmons, Anderson or Bertans, they could have been all the better. Gasol was a pretty good player for that squad, though, and he would have been missed. Manu would have also been likely to be upset about Tony leaving and could have walked to Philly as a result. Losing the entire Big Three in one off-season would have been rough, but in retrospect, it might have been better. Plus that money might have been useable on a decent PG or center.

[skin27]

There is no way the raptors accept a green for derozan or parker for derozan trade..lol

[hater]

EW. FUCKING EW.

:lmao

[hater]

You'd rather than Demar chucking up long-twos while Kawhi and LMA stand there waiting for a rebound? Dude is like a Kobe if Kobe couldn't shoot.

:lmao one of the top worst posters in here

[hater]

It is terrible, this idea

:lol another moron

[skin27]

Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.

:lol

[hater]

I'd rather stand pat than add a cancer like Demar

:lmao spus fans

[hater]

some absolute gold in here :lol enjoy

:lol :tu

[baseline bum]

nm

[Mugen]

Plenty of season left for a lot of these posters to be vindicated tbh.

[Chinook]

Plenty of season left for a lot of these posters to be vindicated tbh.

Ew not really. Worst-case, he's a beta who have us a chance to hope. For a team that needed offense so badly last year, I'll take a consistent regular-season scorer at a minimum.

[Chinook]

There is no way the raptors accept a green for derozan or parker for derozan trade..lol

It's not a trade. DeRozan was a free-agent that year, and the Spurs could have easily traded Parker and especially Green for cap space.

[313]

too soon to bump imo

[skin27]

It's not a trade. DeRozan was a free-agent that year, and the Spurs could have easily traded Parker and especially Green for cap space.


Yeah ah I see..

[skin27]

Spurs ended up signing Gasol that off-season, and they had Manu's cap hold. I think renouncing everyone and letting Manu walk/giving him the min would have put the Spurs at around $22.5 Million in cap space. Would have left the Spurs about $3 Million short of signing DeRozan. The easy solution may have been to trade Green, since he was in DeMar's spot to begin with, and they could have kept Manu. But Danny was coming off a great post-season and was a year removed from a tremendous regular season. Plus, he was a lot cheaper. Trading Tony would have been the better play tactically, but it wasn't obvious back then how seamlessly DeRozan could replace Tony's role and production. Might have been able to keep Manu, sign Dedmon to a longer-term deal and still had the room exception for another player. In a weird twist, that team would have been loaded on the wings but had no guard depth (no, Forbes and Murray didn't could back then).

Mills/Murray/Forbes
DeRozan/Ginobili/Simmons
Leonard/Green/Anderson
Aldridge/Bertans/Room exception
Dedmon/Lee/Anthony


In reality, that's a damned good roster, and they may well have won the West that year if they could have gotten into the post-season healthy. If it ever occurred to Pop to start running DeRozan at PG to free up a bench spot from Simmons, Anderson or Bertans, they could have been all the better. Gasol was a pretty good player for that squad, though, and he would have been missed. Manu would have also been likely to be upset about Tony leaving and could have walked to Philly as a result. Losing the entire Big Three in one off-season would have been rough, but in retrospect, it might have been better. Plus that money might have been useable on a decent PG or center.


That lineup right there can beat the warriors any day..i don’t think it’s possible to get derozan without trading either kawhi or aldridge..

[iGetbuckets]

Spurs talk:lmao:lmao

[skin27]

For sure a lot of These posters with join date “July 2018” are derozan fans from raptors forum..lol

[baseline bum]

Plenty of season left for a lot of these posters to be vindicated tbh.

I already have lowered expectations because of the team's shit defense. If he can produce an entertaining regular season I'll be happy. It would be way more than they would have gotten out of Ingram & Kuzma or Terry Rozier or Robert Covington or whatever other shit deals they could have had this summer.

[r0drig0lac]

For sure a lot of These posters with join date “July 2018” are derozan fans from realgm..lol

[Chinook]

That lineup right there can beat the warriors any day..is it really possible to get derozan without trading either kawhi or aldridge?

Yes. They used cap space that summer (2016) to sign Gasol. The difference between what Pau got and what it would have taken to match DeRozan's APY from Toronto is about $10 Million. They could have gotten that much money in a number of ways without including Kawhi or Aldridge. Both fo those players were relatively cheap, considering they were signed before the cap spike.

[skin27]

Yes. They used cap space that summer (2016) to sign Gasol. The difference between what Pau got and what it would have taken to match DeRozan's APY from Toronto is about $10 Million. They could have gotten that much money in a number of ways without including Kawhi or Aldridge. Both fo those players were relatively cheap, considering they were signed before the cap spike.

we could have won the title the next season if we had derozan/kawhi/LA ..

[SAGirl]

Spurs ended up signing Gasol that off-season, and they had Manu's cap hold. I think renouncing everyone and letting Manu walk/giving him the min would have put the Spurs at around $22.5 Million in cap space. Would have left the Spurs about $3 Million short of signing DeRozan. The easy solution may have been to trade Green, since he was in DeMar's spot to begin with, and they could have kept Manu. But Danny was coming off a great post-season and was a year removed from a tremendous regular season. Plus, he was a lot cheaper. Trading Tony would have been the better play tactically, but it wasn't obvious back then how seamlessly DeRozan could replace Tony's role and production. Might have been able to keep Manu, sign Dedmon to a longer-term deal and still had the room exception for another player. In a weird twist, that team would have been loaded on the wings but had no guard depth (no, Forbes and Murray didn't could back then).

Mills/Murray/Forbes
DeRozan/Ginobili/Simmons
Leonard/Green/Anderson
Aldridge/Bertans/Room exception
Dedmon/Lee/Anthony


In reality, that's a damned good roster, and they may well have won the West that year if they could have gotten into the post-season healthy. If it ever occurred to Pop to start running DeRozan at PG to free up a bench spot from Simmons, Anderson or Bertans, they could have been all the better. Gasol was a pretty good player for that squad, though, and he would have been missed. Manu would have also been likely to be upset about Tony leaving and could have walked to Philly as a result. Losing the entire Big Three in one off-season would have been rough, but in retrospect, it might have been better. Plus that money might have been useable on a decent PG or center.
Gross with starting Mills tbh
He's a roleplayer that gets exposed and gets worse the more minutes and better lineups you play him against.
:vomit:

[SAGirl]

Really? Athletic. Great character. Can score. Not sure about his defense. Can create his own shots. In his prime. I hope you guys don't want old farts like Pau over him.
Nailed it.

[SAGirl]

Covered that.




I watched him a lot in the playoffs. There were a lot of times when he took shots because he didn't have any choice. He was literally the only guy on the floor who could put the ball in the net. And his guys kept dumping the ball back on him with the clock running out. I know he's a volume shooter, but you can't look at a guy in a vacuum either.

Yeah, a lot of people over-value points, and under-value defense. I'm not one of those people. Danny needs to be on the team, and his $10M contract is going to look like chump change, especially if he keeps hitting his 3's like he did in the playoffs. BUT... that doesn't have anything to do with whether DeRozan would be a worthwhile roster addition, at the right price.

A lot of people also under-value shooting fouls drawn. It's one of the biggest holes in the Spurs' offense. And the value of being able to get to the line goes up an order of magnitude in the playoffs, when more of the games are close and hard-fought. The instinct is to try and use the 3 to close the gap in the last minutes of a close game. But there's no substitute for scoring with the clock stopped. If the Spurs had DeRozan on the roster, they would have met the Warriors in the Conference Finals.

If he was surrounded by guys like Kawhi and LMA, would he keep being a volume chucker, or would he pass up some of those low-percentage shots? I honestly don't know. But his game has the potential to help those other guys be even more effective. I wouldn't over-pay for him, but I sure as hell wouldn't cliff-jump if the Spurs signed him.
I miss this poster.

He's was known to have some cranky humor but knew his basketball.

Learned a lot from his posts over a couple of years.

Has not posted in a long time. May be rest in peace wherever he is.
:bobo

[Mirrornick]

too soon to bump imo

So you already have your mind made up? You will wait and hope for DD to fall off and the spurs to go down too? smh haters be hating

[Mirrornick]

For sure a lot of These posters with join date “July 2018” are derozan fans from raptors forum..lol

yeah I came from REALGM. Was a poster there for 10 years. Had a pretty damn big fall off toward the end. Mods couldn't handle my Neutral approach. Everyone was acting like we already won the championship with Kawhi smh. Some good people there but a bunch of leftist liberal people who are most likely faggots tbh

anyways I love this new board and I'm here to stay away from negative bipolar ungrateful idiot raptors fans

Dont @ me raptors fans.

[SAGirl]

For sure a lot of These posters with join date “July 2018” are derozan fans from raptors forum..lol
That's true there's a flurry of derozan player fans who weren't around or cared about the Spurs back then.
New era...

[SAGirl]

I already have lowered expectations because of the team's shit defense. If he can produce an entertaining regular season I'll be happy. It would be way more than they would have gotten out of Ingram & Kuzma or Terry Rozier or Robert Covington or whatever other shit deals they could have had this summer.
This is true as well.

Enjoy regular season derozan! :cheer .Perhaps he gets over his playoffs yips in the Spurs but if he doesn't well .... They weren't going to win a championship this year anyways...

[Chinook]

Gross with starting Mills tbh
He's a roleplayer that gets exposed and gets worse the more minutes and better lineups you play him against.
:vomit:

He thrived with Manu and was pretty good in 2015-2016 and 2016-2017. The issue with his signing wasn't his play in a vacuum; it was how much he cost and how that money was spread around. In 2015-2016, he was making like $3 Million and certainly pulled his weight next to Ginobili. I would not have wanted him to start, but it would have worked out considering Tony hadn't been much better and that Green and Anderson were still on the roster and able to also cover up his defensive weaknesses.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think people realize how much fool's gold DeRozan is. He's the two-guard version of Carlos Boozer -- at best.

:lmao

[Chinook]

we could have won the title the next season if we had derozan/kawhi/LA ..

I certainly think they would have had the talent for it, especially had they let go of Tony instead of Green. Question would have been fit. 2016 was still a year where Leonard was growing into his game, and he wasn't (and still isn't) very good at getting others involved. Aldridge was upset about not getting first-option touches, and I don't know that DeRozan would have helped by getting him better looks or hurt by using more possessions.

Tony used 708 possessions that year (estimate) compared to DeRozan's 2025 (also estimate). We're talking about a player whose touches rivaled Kawhi's and Aldridge's put together. He would have had to have taken a big step back in usage to accommodate two stars, and the bench would have also been affected. Seeing how good the bench was and how far the Spurs ended up going anyway, that type of production swap is not to be taken lightly. DeRozan also only had 290 assists that year against Tony's 285, so it's not like DeMar was a natural play-maker at the time.

Looking back now, I definitely do still get where I was coming from. My main horse that year was Eric Gordon. I thought SA could get him for $8-10 Million APY. He ended up going for $12 Million to Houston. It would have been a decent contract. He is a good player, and he would have helped the team pretty directly. I was willing to have West come back and start to save cap space for the next summer or I was also keen on giving Terrance Jones or Jared Sullinger long-term deals. In short, it was a mix of good and bad ideas. Gasol was okay, though, and Dedmon and Lee ended up giving good-to-great minutes for the team that year. DeRozan as he was back then was a real risk to the team. Hell, only now, this DeRozan -- this year -- is he really playing a style that would have made sense to move so many pieces for. Had he been 15/16 DeRozan on a max salary, it may well have ended up worse.

EDIT to add in the relevant player stat comp: https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Tony+Parker&player_id1_select=Tony+Parker&player_id1=parketo01&idx=players&y1=2017&player_id2_hint=DeMar+DeRozan&player_id2_select=DeMar+DeRozan&player_id2=derozde01&idx=players&y2=2017&player_id3_hint=Eric+Gordon&player_id3_select=Eric+Gordon&y3=2017&player_id3=gordoer01&idx=players

[Chinook]

:lmao

People are quoting that statement, but I think the more interesting (laughable but also worthy of discussion) is when I said:


Four years ago, this might have been appropriate. But DeRozan has developed very poorly since then.

You can go back to I think the trade thread in the TT where I was actually a fan of DeRozan back in 2013. 2013 saw an oversized guard with defensive potential and driving ability. I wanted the Spurs to trade for him to develop his three-and-D game alongside Leonard to make the wing duo of the future. 2016 me saw a poor defender and three-point shooter who dominated the ball and felt like he had developed poorly. I was right, under the standard that my wishes for him were all that mattered. In reality, DeRozan developed a ton in that time and would develop more over the next two years. He didn't develop modern habits, but he did develop an iso game which should age well and a play-making ability that a lot of PGs envy. Considering what 2016 actually wanted, DeRozan was actually on the path to being almost and ideal guard. That's why my above comment is laughable. The reasons why I didn't want him were true and are still somewhat true. But there were so many reasons I should have wanted him that I just didn't know.

[JeffDuncan]

My opinion on this subject is that he might be worth a try.

[313]

So you already have your mind made up? You will wait and hope for DD to fall off and the spurs to go down too? smh haters be hatingI'm rooting for Demar, big fan, but my concerns in this thread were about Playoff Derozen, hence why it's too soon.

Would it have worked out? Who knows. Kawhi might have demanded a trade sooner if we brought in another #1 option right at the beginning of his prime. Otoh, maybe they would have gelled nicely and we end the Warriors dynasty right there.

Regardless, the context of how/why we would have acquired Derozen in 2016 is worlds apart from the context of how/why we acquired him this year.

[HarlemHeat37]

These DeRozan fanboys are going all-out in November:lol I wonder why..I hope they're still around in May..

[DAF86]

I didn't post in this thread at that time but I gotta side with the folks not wanting him back then. Getting DeRozan back in 2016 made no fucking sense. Pairing a high usage player that couldn't shoot with Kawhi and Aldridge was a terrible idea. I don't know why some folks are laughing.

[Mirrornick]

I'm rooting for Demar, big fan, but my concerns in this thread were about Playoff Derozen, hence why it's too soon.

Would it have worked out? Who knows. Kawhi might have demanded a trade sooner if we brought in another #1 option right at the beginning of his prime. Otoh, maybe they would have gelled nicely and we end the Warriors dynasty right there.

Regardless, the context of how/why we would have acquired Derozen in 2016 is worlds apart from the context of how/why we acquired him this year.

There is 0% chance you would have signed DD back in 2016. He didn't meet with any teams. 1 minute into the free agency period, he signed his contract with Toronto indicating he wants to retire a Raptor.

[Immortal Spur]

I've been on these forums officially since 2012 my other account is raybies... and i stumbled upon this thread while searching for something else... it was purely chance. had no ill will by bumping it,, just wanted to have a good laugh w the guys

[Chinook]

There is 0% chance you would have signed DD back in 2016. He didn't meet with any teams. 1 minute into the free agency period, he signed his contract with Toronto indicating he wants to retire a Raptor.

That's likely true. The context of this thread was a rumor that some 2016 FA wanted to come to SA first and Toronto second. This was one of a few threads were we discussed this rumor as we tried to figure out who that guy would be. It's like the rumor this year that PATFO was willing to make a trade for a third star had Kawhi committed. Anyway, the 2016 FA was probably David Lee, when looking at how it actually worked out. This list also looked a lot like Kyle Lowry's list from 2017 (not reported, just from speculation), so maybe there was some murkiness there. In any event, DeRozan didn't seem inclined to leave Toronto. You're correct. But this thread was made under the assumption that he wanted SA above all other teams.

[Mirrornick]

Cheer up ya'll, forget about Durant. DEROZAN IS COMING! ;).

Ice009 is a prophet

[Mirrornick]

That's likely true. The context of this thread was a rumor that some 2016 FA wanted to come to SA first and Toronto second. This was one of a few threads were we discussed this rumor as we tried to figure out who that guy would be. It's like the rumor this year that PATFO was willing to make a trade for a third star had Kawhi committed. Anyway, the 2016 FA was probably David Lee, when looking at how it actually worked out. This list also looked a lot like Kyle Lowry's list from 2017 (not reported, just from speculation), so maybe there was some murkiness there. In any event, DeRozan didn't seem inclined to leave Toronto. You're correct. But this thread was made under the assumption that he wanted SA above all other teams.

You take back your comment when you said " i'll take Kevin Martin over Derozan "

Take it back...


DeBack...

[Mirrornick]

EW. FUCKING EW.


:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun

[Hoops Czar]

EW. FUCKING EW.


Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.


I don't think people realize how much fool's gold DeRozan is. He's the two-guard version of Carlos Boozer -- at best.


My worst take was still wanting Splitter over Aldridge in 2014. DeRozan has gotten better, but I also didn't understand how much Pop would be able to alter what he did to get the most out of him. I'm glad that I was wrong.

Still, it's in bad taste for someone to dig up old threads to laugh at takes when they weren't here to make their own.

Kevin Martin? Two guard version of Carlos Boozer? :lmao How the the hell can you call these takes. They're more like a series of mini strokes.

[Mirrornick]

Kevin Martin? Two guarded version of Carlos Boozer? :lmao

Chinook needs to make an apology to DeRozan thread

[Chinook]

You take back your comment when you said " i'll take Kevin Martin over Derozan "

Take it back...


DeBack...

Kevin Martin is easily my least favorite Spur ever. DeMar could literally shoot up the team at practice and not draw as much ire as Martin did.

[Chinook]

Kevin Martin? Two guard version of Carlos Boozer? :lmao How the the hell can you call these takes. They're more like a series of mini strokes.

I see the mention of poor taste brought you to this thread.

[skin27]

I certainly think they would have had the talent for it, especially had they let go of Tony instead of Green. Question would have been fit. 2016 was still a year where Leonard was growing into his game, and he wasn't (and still isn't) very good at getting others involved. Aldridge was upset about not getting first-option touches, and I don't know that DeRozan would have helped by getting him better looks or hurt by using more possessions.

Tony used 708 possessions that year (estimate) compared to DeRozan's 2025 (also estimate). We're talking about a player whose touches rivaled Kawhi's and Aldridge's put together. He would have had to have taken a big step back in usage to accommodate two stars, and the bench would have also been affected. Seeing how good the bench was and how far the Spurs ended up going anyway, that type of production swap is not to be taken lightly. DeRozan also only had 290 assists that year against Tony's 285, so it's not like DeMar was a natural play-maker at the time.

Looking back now, I definitely do still get where I was coming from. My main horse that year was Eric Gordon. I thought SA could get him for $8-10 Million APY. He ended up going for $12 Million to Houston. It would have been a decent contract. He is a good player, and he would have helped the team pretty directly. I was willing to have West come back and start to save cap space for the next summer or I was also keen on giving Terrance Jones or Jared Sullinger long-term deals. In short, it was a mix of good and bad ideas. Gasol was okay, though, and Dedmon and Lee ended up giving good-to-great minutes for the team that year. DeRozan as he was back then was a real risk to the team. Hell, only now, this DeRozan -- this year -- is he really playing a style that would have made sense to move so many pieces for. Had he been 15/16 DeRozan on a max salary, it may well have ended up worse.

EDIT to add in the relevant player stat comp: https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Tony+Parker&player_id1_select=Tony+Parker&player_id1=parketo01&idx=players&y1=2017&player_id2_hint=DeMar+DeRozan&player_id2_select=DeMar+DeRozan&player_id2=derozde01&idx=players&y2=2017&player_id3_hint=Eric+Gordon&player_id3_select=Eric+Gordon&y3=2017&player_id3=gordoer01&idx=players


Yup it may not work because kawhi and LA wants their touches too..no one wants to sacrifice..


but but still a derozan/kawhi/LA can beat anybody in the league..

[Mirrornick]

Kevin Martin is easily my least favorite Spur ever. DeMar could literally shoot up the team at practice and not draw as much ire as Martin did.

So after making funny comments about DeRozan. What is your honest opinion on DD right now? not the playoffs, not the future nor the past. NOW?

[Chinook]

So after making funny comments about DeRozan. What is your honest opinion on DD right now? not the playoffs, not the future nor the past. NOW?

On the playoffs: Kawhi had his share of post-season duds too. RealGMers kept spamming his stats without looking at the individual games. I'm not really holding the playoffs against DeMar.

Anyway, I think he's the guy the Spurs needed to replace Tony Parker. I think/hope that as time goes on, Pop actually starts leveraging DeRozan's ability more rather than letting him just do whatever. I've seen DeMar playing Tony's role in the Zipper series recently. That's a great fit for him, though his lack of speed compared to Prime Tony will be a hindrance to making that a stable of the offense again. He and LMA should be able to work together to get even better than they have been, and DeRozan and Pau have potential if they can get the PnP working. DeRozan's not Kawhi, though. Fans comparing the two are kidding themselves. Leonard is the better player. Moreover, they just do different things on the court. Kawhi's defense and shooting are not something DeMar can replicate. Leonard's iso and transition scoring are still a cut above. Especially without Murray, the rebounding difference is obvious. The Spurs still need to find a way to replace Kawhi -- not replace his star impact, but to find a guy who can do the things that Leonard did outside of the star aspects. They've FINALLY have the guard I wanted them to get for years, but now they don't have the wings I wanted to pair with that guard.

[skin27]

On the playoffs: Kawhi had his share of post-season duds too. RealGMers kept spamming his stats without looking at the individual games. I'm not really holding the playoffs against DeMar.

Anyway, I think he's the guy the Spurs needed to replace Tony Parker. I think/hope that as time goes on, Pop actually starts leveraging DeRozan's ability more rather than letting him just do whatever. I've seen DeMar playing Tony's role in the Zipper series recently. That's a great fit for him, though his lack of speed compared to Prime Tony will be a hindrance to making that a stable of the offense again. He and LMA should be able to work together to get even better than they have been, and DeRozan and Pau have potential if they can get the PnP working. DeRozan's not Kawhi, though. Fans comparing the two are kidding themselves. Leonard is the better player. Moreover, they just do different things on the court. Kawhi's defense and shooting are not something DeMar can replicate. Leonard's iso and transition scoring are still a cut above. Especially without Murray, the rebounding difference is obvious. The Spurs still need to find a way to replace Kawhi -- not replace his star impact, but to find a guy who can do the things that Leonard did outside of the star aspects. They've FINALLY have the guard I wanted them to get for years, but now they don't have the wings I wanted to pair with that guard.

Demar’s role on the team righ now is like kawhi’s role in 2016-2017 ..an alpha role..don’t degrade demar’s role to porker’s role because their playing style are different..

[Chinook]

Demar’s role on the team righ now is like kawhi’s role in 2016-2017 ..an alpha role..don’t degrade demar’s role to porker’s role because their playing style are different..

"Alpha" isn't a role, at least not one you can build a system around. There's no reason to bitch about Tony here. Any Spurs fans should understand how critical he was to the offense in his prime. Leonard never reached the same heights of integration and leverage than Tony had. DeRozan has that chance, "Alpha" or no.

A DeRozan and Prime Parker were much more similar than DeRozan and Kawhi.

[Mirrornick]

On the playoffs: Kawhi had his share of post-season duds too. RealGMers kept spamming his stats without looking at the individual games. I'm not really holding the playoffs against DeMar.

Anyway, I think he's the guy the Spurs needed to replace Tony Parker. I think/hope that as time goes on, Pop actually starts leveraging DeRozan's ability more rather than letting him just do whatever. I've seen DeMar playing Tony's role in the Zipper series recently. That's a great fit for him, though his lack of speed compared to Prime Tony will be a hindrance to making that a stable of the offense again. He and LMA should be able to work together to get even better than they have been, and DeRozan and Pau have potential if they can get the PnP working. DeRozan's not Kawhi, though. Fans comparing the two are kidding themselves. Leonard is the better player. Moreover, they just do different things on the court. Kawhi's defense and shooting are not something DeMar can replicate. Leonard's iso and transition scoring are still a cut above. Especially without Murray, the rebounding difference is obvious. The Spurs still need to find a way to replace Kawhi -- not replace his star impact, but to find a guy who can do the things that Leonard did outside of the star aspects. They've FINALLY have the guard I wanted them to get for years, but now they don't have the wings I wanted to pair with that guard.

appreciate your honest input.

[skin27]

"Alpha" isn't a role, at least not one you can build a system around. There's no reason to bitch about Tony here. Any Spurs fans should understand how critical he was to the offense in his prime. Leonard never reached the same heights of integration and leverage than Tony had. DeRozan has that chance, "Alpha" or no.

A DeRozan and Prime Parker were much more similar than DeRozan and Kawhi.

nope..derozan and kawhi is more similar.. they have the same role.. difference is their playing style..demar can post up too like kawhi..

[Mirrornick]

nope..derozan and kawhi is much more similar.. they have the same role.. difference is their playing style..demar can post up too like kawhi..

They're both similar for sure. One is the better rebounder/defender and one is a better play maker. One is a better mid range shooter and drawing fouls, one is a better 3pt shooter.

Other than that, they are very capable of putting up 25/5/5 on any given night.

[skin27]

They're both similar for sure. One is the better rebounder/defender and one is a better play maker. One is a better mid range shooter and drawing fouls, one is a better 3pt shooter.

kawhi is also good at midrange same as demar..

[PhoenixSpursFan]

Derozan is da truth

[Chinook]

nope..derozan and kawhi is more similar.. they have the same role.. difference is their playing style..demar can post up too like kawhi..

"Being good" isn't a role. Anyway, Tony was also "good"; he was also "an alpha". I get you apparently hate him, but I'm not trying to play that. Objectively, Tony played a huge part in the Spurs' offense in his prime. How sets were design, how plays were run, they all had Tony and his attributes in mind. Kawhi could never do what Tony did. It was one of the reasons why the offense with DeRozan looks so good in comparison. Kawhi couldn't and honestly wasn't expected to do Tony things, because Pop was still clinging to hope that Tony could still do those things long after most of us had given up hope. DeRozan isn't doing Kawhi things. Maybe Gay is doing some of those things. DeRozan is doing the things Tony used to do. Yes their styles are different. DeRozan is bigger while Tony was faster. But how Pop actually wants them to operate in the offense is the same, and it's not like Leonard.

[skin27]

Porke is not an alpha, Timmy is..what I’m trying to say is demAr’s game is more of a kawhi game than tony.. demar is now the alpha like kawhi 2 years ago..

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

EW. FUCKING EW.


Literally would want Kevin Martin back over him.


You've gone off the deep end, Rob. Dude is a 28-percent three-point shooter and was 80th in the league in defensive RPM among two-guards this past year. Never took you for one who would be suckered in by iso play, man. Disappointed.


I don't think people realize how much fool's gold DeRozan is. He's the two-guard version of Carlos Boozer -- at best.


Fuck no to DeRozan. High volume, low efficiency, can't shoot 3, already have a guy at his position.

Why even consider it?

good takes from the usuals

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

oh boyle.. I found this on accident while trying to look up what gnsf meant of all things :lol it's all in good fun and very light hearted. I'm no hater, just having fun with the regulars.

don't hold back. roast the resident armchair GMs like no other.

but but here's a detailed explanation of bird rights vs MLEeeeeee

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

:lmao one of the top worst posters in here


tienes razon

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Kevin Martin? Two guard version of Carlos Boozer? :lmao How the the hell can you call these takes. They're more like a series of mini strokes.

:lmao :lol :lol :lol :lmao
:lmao :rollin :lmao
:lmao :lol :lol :lol :lmao

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

oh boyle.. I found this on accident while trying to look up what gnsf meant of all things :lol it's all in good fun and very light hearted. I'm no hater, just having fun with the regulars.

raybies -- gnsf = gray named spurs fan

foolish "veteran" posters thought that getting one's name bolded was a sign of superiority. i teengk it was bc kori (or timvp) was honoring mass requests to change usernames (or some shit) and bolded ones they changed in order to keep track of them. or something to that effect

Kori Ellis or timvp can give the authoritative explanation

[313]

:lol prime parker was 10x the alpha Kawhi ever was this team

[skin27]

:lol prime parker was 10x the alpha Kawhi ever was this team


nah, he is a coatrider of Duncan.

[John B]

Porke is not an alpha, Timmy is..what I’m trying to say is demAr’s game is more of a kawhi game than tony.. demar is now the alpha like kawhi 2 years ago..

What’s your definition of Alpha? Because Tony is an Alpha. Have you seen highlights of prime Parker? He could fucking score under trees. The guy was fearless. Directed then already champ Duncan and called him “Timmy”, a rookie and 19? Believe me, Tony’s an Alpha. You can’t be the general of four championships team if you’re not. Kawhi, however great a player he is, is NOT an alpha. He could not lead a team. Lowry is the vocal leader of the Raptors. Kawhi would always need a leader, not him, to lead. Being a cold assassin doesn’t make him an alpha. He lacks the leadership, the will to overcome insurmountable challenge. The guy doesn’t even have the balls to say “hey I don’t want it here.” He hides and let other people talk for him. That was not being an alpha. It takes more than scoring to be an alpha. It takes attitude to get him over the edge. Kawhi is a fucking-good-player, but to me, he’s not an alpha.

If you’re making comparison, Demar’s game is neither of these two. Tony relied on speed, floaters and finishing under the rim. Kawhi was looking to score not pass. Demar is averaging 8 assist and moves like butter. The closest Spur comparison to me was Gervin, a smooooth scorer who worked in the mid-range, layups. He’ll pick his spot and score like Demar.

If you meant who’s the closer (not alpha). It’s Demar. Before it was more like Manu the way he could score in different ways and such a clutch and could get fouled and very good free throw shooter. Watch Spurs highlights, you would see it was mostly Ginobili. Peace

[skin27]

What’s your definition of Alpha? Because Tony is an Alpha. Have you seen highlights of prime Parker? He could fucking score under trees. The guy was fearless. Directed then already champ Duncan and called him “Timmy”, a rookie and 19? Believe me, Tony’s an Alpha. You can’t be the general of four championships team if you’re not. Kawhi, however great a player he is, is NOT an alpha. He could not lead a team. Lowry is the vocal leader of the Raptors. Kawhi would always need a leader, not him, to lead. Being a cold assassin doesn’t make him an alpha. He lacks the leadership, the will to overcome insurmountable challenge. The guy doesn’t even have the balls to say “hey I don’t want it here.” He hides and let other people talk for him. That was not being an alpha. It takes more than scoring to be an alpha. It takes attitude to get him over the edge. Kawhi is a fucking-good-player, but to me, he’s not an alpha.

If you’re making comparison, Demar’s game is neither of these two. Tony relied on speed, floaters and finishing under the rim. Kawhi was looking to score not pass. Demar is averaging 8 assist and moves like butter. The closest Spur comparison to me was Gervin, a smooooth scorer who worked in the mid-range, layups. He’ll pick his spot and score like Demar.

If you meant who’s the closer (not alpha). It’s Demar. Before it was more like Manu the way he could score in different ways and such a clutch and could get fouled and very good free throw shooter. Watch Spurs highlights, you would see it was mostly Ginobili. Peace


porker and ginobili are not superstars..tbh..you are an idiot if you think they are..Duncan carried those 2 to 3 titles..their 4th title is a team effort but still Duncan is the superstar of that 2014 team..

Even in 2015 still a 39 year old Duncan is their best player..when Duncan retired in 2016 he basically gave that alpha role to kawhi..

[Chinook]

porker and ginobili are not superstars..tbh..you are an idiot if you think they are..Duncan carried those 2 to 3 titles..their 4th title is a team effort but still Duncan is the superstar of that 2014 team..

Even in 2015 still a 39 year old Duncan is their best player..when Duncan retired in 2016 he basically gave that alpha role to kawhi..

I don't even... Tim hadn't be the first option for years before Leonard was even drafted. He didn't lead the team in scoring, attempts or touches. What does it even mean to be "alpha" as an offensive role if Old Tim was that? Is DeRozan playing the same role as 2014 Tim? I think it's hard to argue that.

[John B]

porker and ginobili are not superstars..tbh..you are an idiot if you think they are..Duncan carried those 2 to 3 titles..their 4th title is a team effort but still Duncan is the superstar of that 2014 team..
If I’m an idiot, you’re an imbecile. Nowhere in my long narrative did I call Tony and Ginobili superstars. Again you’re mixing definitions. An Alpha does not mean superstar. It’s a state of mind, an attitude to win. A leadership skill. Which Kawhitter doesn’t have, my point. I don’t believe Manu and Tony were superstars (franchise players as most would define). Of the entire Spurs players, only David, Timmy and maybe Gervin. But alpha, yes. Because Manu and Tony had the leadership, tenacity to win against odds. But if you say Duncan was the “superstar” of the 2014 championship, I’m going to stop arguing with you. You just said it was a team effort. As much as I hate Kawhitter, his pesky defense limited Lebron and disrupted heat’s offense.

[Chinook]

don't hold back. roast the resident armchair GMs like no other.

but but here's a detailed explanation of bird rights vs MLEeeeeee

You sound majorly butt-hurt. "OMG, some guy online shares his opinion and provides some facts! Gotta take it as an insult on my worth and stew in the corner until I can find a time to laugh!"

It's lame, bro. I've been wrong plenty. Anyone who's contributed to this forum has. Nothing wrong with that, and maybe there's nothing wrong with looking back and laughing at what other people thought. But there's a ton wrong with being bitter about people posting when they aren't doing anything to you, and there's so much more wrong with the "I don't really care; I just like to laugh at folks who do dumb shit" attitude you're trying to effect. Like you clearly care; you post an average of 50-something times a year, and you decided to use one on this.

[skin27]

I don't even... Tim hadn't be the first option for years before Leonard was even drafted. He didn't lead the team in scoring, attempts or touches. What does it even mean to be "alpha" as an offensive role if Old Tim was that? Is DeRozan playing the same role as 2014 Tim? I think it's hard to argue that.

because pop limited duncan’s Minutes..and Duncan is unselfish superstar..but still Duncan is their spurstar and their leader back then and they go To him if nothing is going right especially in the playoffs..

that resting bullshit is the thing i don’t want to happen to derozan..

[Chinook]

because pop limited duncan’s Minutes..and Duncan is unselfish superstar..but still Duncan is their spurstar and they go To him if nothing is going right especially in the playoffs..

that resting bullshit is the thing i don’t want to happen to derozan..

The Spurs ran their offense through Parker in Parker's prime. That's not something in the realm of fandom. It's just what the Spurs did after 2007 or so. Duncan may have been their best player (and in fact he was when looking at the whole game), but he was not their first option. Parker lead the team in touches, and he led the team in touches per minute (not counting garbage-time players like Mills in 2011-2012). The team's main sets revolved around either Parker getting the ball or Parker being the decoy for someone else to get the ball. Parker was the "alpha" in anyway you can use that term to describe an offensive scheme.

[skin27]

The Spurs ran their offense through Parker in Parker's prime. That's not something in the realm of fandom. It's just what the Spurs did after 2007 or so. Duncan may have been their best player (and in fact he was when looking at the whole game), but he was not their first option. Parker lead the team in touches, and he led the team in touches per minute (not counting garbage-time players like Mills in 2011-2012). The team's main sets revolved around either Parker getting the ball or Parker being the decoy for someone else to get the ball. Parker was the "alpha" in anyway you can use that term to describe an offensive scheme.

nah, parker was never an alpha or superstar..Duncan it is..its just duncan is so unselfish that he let parker and ginobili did their thing.. but the 2 never reached superstar status..

[Chinook]

nah, parker was never an alpha or superstar..Duncan it is..its just duncan is so unselfish that he let parker and ginobili did their thing.. but the 2 never reached superstar status..

So you're saying DeRozan's role is to be so unselfish to let other guys do their thing? Moreover, you're saying that Kawhi's role before the quit was to unselfishly let guys do their thing?

[skin27]

So you're saying DeRozan's role is to be so unselfish to let other guys do their thing? Moreover, you're saying that Kawhi's role before the quit was to unselfishly let guys do their thing?

nope, I want derozan to pad his stats with winning games so that he has a chance for MVP and become popular to the media..

that’s why I don’t like the resting strategy of pop especially if the player is in his prime..

[szkorhetz]

EW. FUCKING EW.
Oh, how times have changed.

[RC_Drunkford]

Parker was the Spurs floor general for years. Called plays and all that. People saying Parker ain't an Alpha are retarded. He scored 15.9 points per game on 26.4 minutes being 34 and played til his body broke down in the Playoffs. Where the fuck is Kawhi an alpha? He can't even speak. Parker put everybody in position on offense and Ginobili did the same with the bench. Both guys are natural leaders and ran plays while also being clutch and stepping up in big moments. They clearly alphas

[RC_Drunkford]

nah, parker was never an alpha or superstar..Duncan it is..its just duncan is so unselfish that he let parker and ginobili did their thing.. but the 2 never reached superstar status..

so a player who finishes 2nd in MVP voting is not a superstar? Ok got it...:downspin:

[skin27]

so a player who finishes 2nd in MVP voting is not a superstar? Ok got it...:downspin:


When did parker finished 2nd in mvp? His Best finished was 5th in 2012 lockout season.

[skin27]

Parker was the Spurs floor general for years. Called plays and all that. People saying Parker ain't an Alpha are retarded. He scored 15.9 points per game on 26.4 minutes being 34 and played til his body broke down in the Playoffs. Where the fuck is Kawhi an alpha? He can't even speak. Parker put everybody in position on offense and Ginobili did the same with the bench. Both guys are natural leaders and ran plays while also being clutch and stepping up in big moments. They clearly alphas

nah, they’re not alpah’s..

[weeks]

nah, they’re not alpah’s..

show me on the doll where parker hurt you

[RC_Drunkford]

When did parker finished 2nd in mvp? His Best finished was 5th in 2012 lockout season.

A lot of people said he was the 2nd best player in the league after LeBron. Parker was clearly a star player as was Ginobili at some point.

[skin27]

A lot of people said he was the 2nd best player in the league after LeBron. Parker was clearly a star player as was Ginobili at some point.

see porker did not finish 2nd in mvp..even Chris Paul was ahead of him In mvp race..lol

[RC_Drunkford]

see porker did not finish 2nd in mvp..even Chris Paul was ahead of him In mvp race..lol

both Parker and Ginobili were All-Stars. You do know it's called All-STAR for a reason do you?

[skin27]

both Parker and Ginobili were All-Stars. You do know it's called All-STAR for a reason do you?


They are allstars but not superstars

[weeks]

yeah duh they're angels not arch-angels

[skin27]

They're both similar for sure. One is the better rebounder/defender and one is a better play maker. One is a better mid range shooter and drawing fouls, one is a better 3pt shooter.

Other than that, they are very capable of putting up 25/5/5 on any given night.

i don’t like that stats though, that’s a Kirby esuque numbers. Lol

better if it is 27/6/11

[Mirrornick]

kawhi is also good at midrange same as demar..

yes for sure. That's what makes them more similar.

[benefactor]

*yawn*

Wake me up in May. I'll gladly eat my crow then. The Spurs have been a lot of fun to watch though, so there's that.

[Mirrornick]

*yawn*

Wake me up in May. I'll gladly eat my crow RIGHT NOW The Spurs have been a lot of fun to watch though, so there's that.

takes a real man to admit his wrongs . Kudos to you real man

[look_at_g_shred]

lawd ::downspin:

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

You sound majorly butt-hurt. "OMG, some guy online shares his opinion and provides some facts! Gotta take it as an insult on my worth and stew in the corner until I can find a time to laugh!"

It's lame, bro. I've been wrong plenty. Anyone who's contributed to this forum has. Nothing wrong with that, and maybe there's nothing wrong with looking back and laughing at what other people thought. But there's a ton wrong with being bitter about people posting when they aren't doing anything to you, and there's so much more wrong with the "I don't really care; I just like to laugh at folks who do dumb shit" attitude you're trying to effect. Like you clearly care; you post an average of 50-something times a year, and you decided to use one on this.

yep that's how much you suck

[Brazil]

Back then in 2016 DeRozan is a spurs uniform was a dumb idea... besides people overreacted a bit comparing him to Carlos Boozer but as a whole DeRozan ST view was/is pretty accurate, great guy to have during RS, his efficiency has always been worst playing for raptors as he was the only one that could score in dat team.. at the end he is a disappointment in POs... only thing that ST overlooked about him as a whole is his playmaking capabilities..

[Brazil]

Also :lol gnsf

[LittleCriminal]

This thread proves you can have over 20,000 posts and not know what the fuk ur fukkin talking about.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Any popsuckers gonna do some damage control?

[RD2191]

It's a travesty it took so long for me to be bolded.

[Brazil]

It's a travesty it took so long for me to be bolded.

:lol true dat