Evaluating the contract values of the 2015-16 Spurs

[south side spur]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.poundingtherock.com/platform/amp/2016/7/1/12070432/evaluating-the-contract-values-of-the-2015-16-spurs?client=safari#

The results

Kawhi Leonard: +$20.8 value ($37.2 million value produced, $16.4 million contract value)

David West (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21663/david-west): +$9.9 value ($11.4 million value produced, $1.5 million contract value)

Tim Duncan: +$8.4 value ($14.4 million value produced, $6.0 million contract value)

Manu Ginobili (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21775/manu-ginobili): +$6.8 value ($9.6 million value produced, $2.8 million contract value)

Kyle Anderson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246160/kyle-anderson): +$6.1 value ($7.2 million value produced, $1.1 million contract value)

Patty Mills (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71950/patty-mills): +$6.0 value ($9.6 million value produced, $3.6 million contract value)

Danny Green (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71944/danny-green): +$5.0 value ($15 million value produced, $10 million contract value)

Boban Marjanovic (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257504/boban-marjanovic): +$3.0 value ($4.2 million value produced, $1.2 million contract value)

Rasual Butler (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21668/rasual-butler): +$1.5 value ($2.4 million value produced, $0.9 million contract value)

Jonathon Simmons (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/257503/jonathon-simmons): +$0.7 value ($1.2 million value produced, $0.5 million contract value)

Andre Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21585/andre-miller): +$0.3 value ($0.6 million value produced, $0.3 million contract value)

Matt Bonner (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21772/matt-bonner): +$0.3 value ($1.2 million value produced, $0.9 million contract value)

Boris Diaw (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21919/boris-diaw): -$0.9 value ($6.6 million value produced, $7.5 million contract value)

LaMarcus Aldridge: -$6.5 value ($13.2 million value produced, $19.7 million contract value)

Tony Parker: -$7.4 value ($6.0 million value produced, $13.4 million contract value)


I realize this is pounding the cock as y'all like to say but I thought it was an interesting metric to use and evaluate. I think most of the results were expected as far as Kawhi being the Spurs most productive player and Parker being the least productive (at least using this metric) but it looks like some of the player biases prevalent in this forum might be unwarranted.

What wasn't expected? David West being so productive. Kyle Anderson, the forum whipping boy, looks like he held his own. I'd like to hear how the anti-Slo Mo faction can continue the "he's the worst Spur narrative" based on this metric.

We all knew Aldridge got off to a slow start, but right there with Parker as far as not playing up to his contract? I would've never guessed it was that bad.

Also, as much negativity as I direct towards Ginobili, which all started with the 2013 Finals, like many Manu supporters have stated, he's easily worth his contract and then some.

Finally, I can understand why Green is up there, even if his offense is sporadic, his defense is still some of the best in the league...but Mills? It seemed like he had a down year so his ranking doesn't add up, I guess some would say like Anderson's.

[apalisoc_9]

Aldridge and Porker :lmao

[Kikoluna]

Kyle deserves $25,000 per year. And that's being kind. I still can't get over his pathetic okc performance (leaving corner 3 guy alone)

[dabom]

Kyle deserves $25,000 per year. And that's being kind. I still can't get over his pathetic okc performance (leaving corner 3 guy alone)Dude was arms reach from a rebound and still couldn't react quick enough. :lmao

[TheMulletMan3000]

Aldridge is getting used to the system, he will be better. Bobo is fat and uninterested and I hope he gets traded. Parker is broken. Still, his 2014/15 season was much worse. Somehow.

[dabom]

Aldridge is getting used to the system, he will be better. Bobo is fat and uninterested and I hope he gets traded. Parker is broken. Still, his 2014/15 season was much worse. Somehow.

Thanks for reminding me. Just threw up. :lol

[tmtcsc]

I'm pissed that Mills has only now decided to get in shape. Where was this dedication at the beginning of last summer? He had much more time to prepare after an embarrassing first round loss to the Clippers. Now the Olympics are here and he's in a contract year. That screams selfish. Thanks for letting Tim and your teammates down. Same with Boris only Boris doesn't get in shape for anyone.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Kawhis 32.7 million value produced is LeBron-like money. Kawhi is no LeBron. Heck. Dick Jefferson did more for Cavs in Finals than Kawhi against OKC. I guess playoff performance weren't taken into account into these evaluations.

[dabom]

I'm pissed that Mills has only now decided to get in shape. Where was this dedication at the beginning of last summer? He had much more time to prepare after an embarrassing first round loss to the Clippers. Now the Olympics are here and he's in a contract year. That screams selfish. Thanks for letting Tim and your teammates down. Same with Boris only Boris doesn't get in shape for anyone.

.750TS% in that series. Go fuck yourself. Seriously. :lmao

[tmtcsc]

.750TS% in that series. Go fuck yourself. Seriously. :lmao


First of all, I was talking about the team's embarrassing loss in the 1st round. Secondly, Mills couldn't get quality minutes because he was being torched on defense. Third, your takes are trash even for a giggling faggot.

[dabom]

First of all, I was talking about the team's embarrassing loss in the 1st round. Secondly, Mills couldn't get quality minutes because he was being torched on defense. Third, your takes are trash even for a giggling faggot.

.260WS/48. :lmao

Yeah historically bad Porker was a better fit. :lmao

[dabom]

Some of these takes I just don't understand. :lol

[TheMulletMan3000]

Kawhis 32.7 million value produced is LeBron-like money. Kawhi is no LeBron. Heck. Dick Jefferson did more for Cavs in Finals than Kawhi against OKC. I guess playoff performance weren't taken into account into these evaluations.

lol

[SAGirl]

\ut it looks like some of the player biases prevalent in this forum might be unwarranted

What wasn't expected? David West being so productive. Kyle Anderson, the forum whipping boy, looks like he held his own. I'd like to hear how the anti-Slo Mo faction can continue the "he's the worst Spur narrative" based on this metric.

We all knew Aldridge got off to a slow start, but right there with Parker as far as not playing up to his contract? I would've never guessed it was that bad.

Also, as much negativity as I direct towards Ginobili, which all started with the 2013 Finals, like many Manu supporters have stated, he's easily worth his contract and then some.

Finally, I can understand why Green is up there, even if his offense is sporadic, his defense is still some of the best in the league...but Mills? It seemed like he had a down year so his ranking doesn't add up, I guess some would say like Anderson's.

Anderson is only a whipping boy for a few very noisy and relentless trolls. They won't change their mind and who cares about their ignorance?

[Kikoluna]

Here are some numbers on kyle
2.2 points per game in the playoffs.
4.5 points per game in the regular season.
I don't think it's trolls, the guy is flat out atrocious. I mean, I'd pick him first if I were playing my buddies at the park but that's about it.

[Tully365]

It's a pretty arbitrary way of looking at things... If a contract is low and the player's performance is extremely average, his "value produced" is a net positive, even though he may have very little to do with the ultimate outcome of games. Aldridge's play in the last two months was vastly superior to his play in the first two, so I don't think the overall numbers mean too much.

[GSH]

I realize this is pounding the cock as y'all like to say

We don't like to say it. It's just true.


I'm pissed that Mills has only now decided to get in shape. Where was this dedication at the beginning of last summer? He had much more time to prepare after an embarrassing first round loss to the Clippers. Now the Olympics are here and he's in a contract year. That screams selfish. Thanks for letting Tim and your teammates down. Same with Boris only Boris doesn't get in shape for anyone.


Dabom can point out whatever stats he wants. The fact that he is in better shape this year means that he wasn't in top shape last season. And last season was supposed to be the all-or-nothing, put it all on the line, and win #6 for Tim season. He wasn't in as bad of shape as that fat fuck Diaw, but maybe if he had been a little stronger and lighter he wouldn't have had a TOV% of 12.2 in the playoffs. And maybe he could have gotten the ball inside more, and not had to shoot 68% of his shots from outside the 3P line.

He hurt his shoulder, and had to sign a cheaper contract than he wanted, because a lot of teams weren't rushing to take the risk on him. And people have been commenting ever since that he hasn't been the same since the shoulder injury. The fact that he's suddenly in much better shape ahead of this, his next contract year? Yeah... coincidence.

[tholdren]

[/LIST]
Anderson is only a whipping boy for a few very noisy and relentless trolls. They won't change their mind and who cares about their ignorance?
anderson, like boris, west, kl lma in the 4th, blew in the playoffs as bad as kevin martin

[GSH]

Anderson is only a whipping boy for a few very noisy and relentless trolls. They won't change their mind and who cares about their ignorance?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e5/ac/d4/e5acd40b44158d38351042ec183f04b9.jpg

[SAGirl]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e5/ac/d4/e5acd40b44158d38351042ec183f04b9.jpgI don't consider you a troll, don't throw your lot with the real ones lol

[SAGirl]

I'm pissed that Mills has only now decided to get in shape. Where was this dedication at the beginning of last summer? He had much more time to prepare after an embarrassing first round loss to the Clippers. Now the Olympics are here and he's in a contract year. That screams selfish. Thanks for letting Tim and your teammates down. Same with Boris only Boris doesn't get in shape for anyone.
It is very average... but Tony produced a 6 mill value... he wasn't even among the top value producers in the team... by any measure. Kyle produced more value in less time and smaller role, so did Manu, Patty and a few others.

[SAGirl]

We don't like to say it. It's just true.




Dabom can point out whatever stats he wants. The fact that he is in better shape this year means that he wasn't in top shape last season. And last season was supposed to be the all-or-nothing, put it all on the line, and win #6 for Tim season. He wasn't in as bad of shape as that fat fuck Diaw, but maybe if he had been a little stronger and lighter he wouldn't have had a TOV% of 12.2 in the playoffs. And maybe he could have gotten the ball inside more, and not had to shoot 68% of his shots from outside the 3P line.

He hurt his shoulder, and had to sign a cheaper contract than he wanted, because a lot of teams weren't rushing to take the risk on him. And people have been commenting ever since that he hasn't been the same since the shoulder injury. The fact that he's suddenly in much better shape ahead of this, his next contract year? Yeah... coincidence.
I most definitely think Patty has that contract in mind, so does J.Simms. Let's hope it pays off this season.

[Leetonidas]

I don't trust any evaluation that has David West as our second best anything tbh

[dabom]

I don't trust any evaluation that has David West as our second best anything tbh

:lol

[Russ]

All bargains.

[tmtcsc]

It is very average... but Tony produced a 6 mill value... he wasn't even among the top value producers in the team... by any measure. Kyle produced more value in less time and smaller role, so did Manu, Patty and a few others.

Tony is in a whole other class. I almost feel sorry for him though. He's officially old & slow and has nothing to fall back on.

[SAGirl]

I don't trust any evaluation that has David West as our second best anything tbh
He was fine in the regular season, but I know exactly what you mean.

[south side spur]

I don't trust any evaluation that has David West as our second best anything tbh

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXSASXX2016.html&t=all_advanced&t=all_advanced




Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXlXXleonaka01.html)
24
72 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXlXXleonaka01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
2380
26.0


2
LaMarcus Aldridge (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXaldrila01.html)
30
74 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXaldrila01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
2261
22.4


3
Danny Green (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXgreenda02.html)
28
79 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXgreenda02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
2062
10.5


4
Tony Parker (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXpXXparketo01.html)
33
72 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXpXXparketo01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1980
16.2


5
Patrick Mills (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillspa02.html)
27
81 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillspa02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1662
14.6


6
Tim Duncan (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXduncati01.html)
39
61 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXduncati01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1536
16.9


7
David West (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXwXXwestda01.html)
35
78 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXwXXwestda01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1404
17.6


8
Boris Diaw (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXdiawbo01.html)
33
76 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXdiawbo01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1386
14.0


Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER


9
Kyle Anderson (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01.html)
22
78 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1245
12.9


10
Manu Ginobili (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXginobma01.html)
38
58 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXginobma01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1134
17.8


11
Jonathon Simmons (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXsXXsimmojo02.html)
26
55 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXsXXsimmojo02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
813
11.9


12
Boban Marjanovic (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmarjabo01.html)
27
54 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmarjabo01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
508
27.7


13
Rasual Butler (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbutlera01.html)
36
46 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbutlera01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
432
13.4


14
Kevin Martin (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmartike02.html)
32
16 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmartike02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
261
10.1


15
Ray McCallum (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmccalra01.html)
24
31 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmccalra01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
256
10.3


16
Matt Bonner (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbonnema01.html)
35
30 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbonnema01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
206
14.1


17
Andre Miller (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillean02.html)
39
13 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillean02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
181
12.9


Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER




I wanted to compare this metric to a more standard metric. Is this correct? Danny's efficiency rating was that low?

[SAGirl]

Tony is in a whole other class. I almost feel sorry for him though. He's officially old & slow and has nothing to fall back on.
It's going to get to the point where literally an average PG will produce as much as he does. Kawhi already carries the SL pretty much and is set to do more with the ball in his hands anyways. I am not a Tony hater TBH... rarely get on wagons of any kind to shit on him bc he already gets a lot of heat and that crew doesn't need help, but its alarming.

We better hope Dejounte has a good season developing. Maybe we pick up someone else to help, but Spurs are focused on getting a big it seems, not guards.

[SAGirl]

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXSASXX2016.html&t=all_advanced&t=all_advanced




Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER


1
Kawhi Leonard (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXlXXleonaka01.html)
24
72 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXlXXleonaka01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
2380
26.0


2
LaMarcus Aldridge (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXaldrila01.html)
30
74 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXaldrila01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
2261
22.4


3
Danny Green (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXgreenda02.html)
28
79 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXgreenda02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
2062
10.5


4
Tony Parker (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXpXXparketo01.html)
33
72 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXpXXparketo01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1980
16.2


5
Patrick Mills (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillspa02.html)
27
81 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillspa02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1662
14.6


6
Tim Duncan (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXduncati01.html)
39
61 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXduncati01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1536
16.9


7
David West (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXwXXwestda01.html)
35
78 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXwXXwestda01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1404
17.6


8
Boris Diaw (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXdiawbo01.html)
33
76 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXdXXdiawbo01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1386
14.0


Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER


9
Kyle Anderson (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01.html)
22
78 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1245
12.9


10
Manu Ginobili (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXginobma01.html)
38
58 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXgXXginobma01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
1134
17.8


11
Jonathon Simmons (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXsXXsimmojo02.html)
26
55 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXsXXsimmojo02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
813
11.9


12
Boban Marjanovic (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmarjabo01.html)
27
54 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmarjabo01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
508
27.7


13
Rasual Butler (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbutlera01.html)
36
46 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbutlera01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
432
13.4


14
Kevin Martin (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmartike02.html)
32
16 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmartike02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
261
10.1


15
Ray McCallum (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmccalra01.html)
24
31 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmccalra01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
256
10.3


16
Matt Bonner (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbonnema01.html)
35
30 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbonnema01XXgamelogXX2016XX)
206
14.1


17
Andre Miller (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillean02.html)
39
13 (http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXmXXmillean02XXgamelogXX2016XX)
181
12.9


Rk
Player
Age
G
MP
PER




I wanted to compare this metric to a more standard metric. Is this correct? Danny's efficiency rating was that low?
Yes, he shot that bad, and played that poorly offensively during the RS. His playoffs performance saved him, but this is RS based.

[slick'81]

Tony is in a whole other class. I almost feel sorry for him though. He's officially old & slow and has nothing to fall back on.

Needs to fix his broken mdrange because thats about all he has left

[tmtcsc]

Needs to fix his broken mdrange because thats about all he has left

Yeah. He really needs to become Steve Nash but I'm not sure it will ever happen.

[dabom]

Needs to fix his broken mdrange because thats about all he has left

Yeah we should give him more shots to improve on that...

[TheGreatYacht]

D-League Danny was Kobe levels bad offensively this season, and was valued more than Aldridge? Yeah gtfo :lol

This graph is retarded.

[dabom]

D-League Danny was Kobe levels bad offensively this season, and was valued more than Aldridge? Yeah gtfo :lol

This graph is retarded.

You have to base a player on impact, production per minute, and total production.

That's why a player like LMA that doesn't give you much impact, will give you good per minute production and lot of totals because he rarely gets injured. He is more valuable than fathead for sure. :lol

You can't just go off of one stat in assessing a player.

[DenialTwist]

It's going to get to the point where literally an average PG will produce as much as he does. Kawhi already carries the SL pretty much and is set to do more with the ball in his hands anyways. I am not a Tony hater TBH... rarely get on wagons of any kind to shit on him bc he already gets a lot of heat and that crew doesn't need help, but its alarming.

We better hope Dejounte has a good season developing. Maybe we pick up someone else to help, but Spurs are focused on getting a big it seems, not guards.

Because the Spurs still believe that Parker will have a bounce back all-star season. Sadly, that is not the going to be the case. He is a step slower and another year older. Next season he will be coming off the Olympics so more mileage on his legs. He is also dealing with a nagging hamstring issues.

[Drom John]

2015-2016 money.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.poundingtherock.com/platform/amp/2016/7/1/12070432/evaluating-the-contract-values-of-the-2015-16-spurs?client=safari#

The results
Manu Ginobili (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21775/manu-ginobili): +$6.8 value ($9.6 million value produced, $2.8 million contract value)