trade to move Boris Diaw

[ducks]

The Vertical Retweeted
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 2m2 minutes ago
For the Spurs to complete the Gasol signing, they're working on a trade to move Boris Diaw, league sources tell @TheVertical.
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[Robz4000]

Fucking Christ

[SuperCam]

Glad this fat piece of shit is getting moved after getting complacent...

[gambit1990]

shed tp...

[montgod]

Ugh...not sure how they improve to the level they need to with having to give Diaw away...

[sasaint]

The Vertical Retweeted
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 2m2 minutes ago
For the Spurs to complete the Gasol signing, they're working on a trade to move Boris Diaw, league sources tell @TheVertical.
252 retweets 115 likes

Throw in TP and make it a clean sweep...

[HarlemHeat37]

He was horrible, last year, but I wouldn't give up on him..he's one of the only matchup advantages vs. GS..

With the increased cap and everybody getting paid, he should be motivated to perform and stay in shape, too..

[Kikoluna]

Yeah, the band is broken without timmy. Trade tp.

[szkorhetz]

Diaw is done. I'm fine with him being traded.
I loved the guy in '14, but since then, hm...

[BatManu20]

Bye Bobo. Thanks for 2014 :cry

[look_at_g_shred]

Ugh...not sure how they improve to the level they need to with having to give Diaw away...
It wouldn't have mattered if we were getting the Boris from the past two seasons

[loveforthegame]

Good tbh. He can take his espresso machine with him.

[slick'81]

Ugh...not sure how they improve to the level they need to with having to give Diaw away...


They really dont but if they gotta move for space oh well

[024]

Lose Timmy and Diaw, add Gasol? Seems like a lateral move...

Spurs couldn't get any other FA for $15 million a year??

[baseline bum]

They don't need to move Diaw, I don't understand this move unless they'd rather use his money on Bertans, LJC, and/or Marjanovich.

[NASpurs]

Can we include Parker in a "fat Frenchies" package?

[Mouth is Bleeding]

He was horrible, last year, but I wouldn't give up on him..he's one of the only matchup advantages vs. GS..

With the increased cap and everybody getting paid, he should be motivated to perform and stay in shape, too..

Exactly. He was the secret weapon! :depressed

[jyra]

The writing was on wall, but I'm still sad if this happens. Last season was a disappointment but he was my favorite guy to watch on this team for the last couple of years.

[Seventyniner]

Does this mean West might stay if the Spurs can offer him appreciably more than the minimum?

[NASpurs]

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[Joseph Kony]

Maybe moving Diaw is a sign Tim is staying? because Spurs would have the money for Gasol if Tim was retiring without moving Boris wouldn't they?

[sasaint]

Can we include Parker in a "fat Frenchies" package?

Please!

[HarlemHeat37]

Gasol for Duncan/Diaw is a lateral move, at best..more likely a downgrade IMO, if you consider Diaw is potentially one of the few advantages vs. GS..

[myhc]

Thank you for 2014 but it's obvious he wore out his welcome. Hoping he'll get motivated enough to get in shape for the 3rd straight season is a losing proposition and Pop knows that. This is the right move.

[DAF86]

Would have rather keep Diaw than sign Pau. Gasol is going to be insignificant against the Warriors. Meh, anything would probably be insignificant against the Warriors anyways.

[montgod]

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Interesting if they could work Gibson/Snell (Kawhi's old teammate) for Diaw/Mills...type of trade.

[objective]

Would rather keep Boris and Manu and take chances with Milutinov or Willie effin Reed than sign Pau

[NASpurs]

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[sasaint]

Diaw is done. I'm fine with him being traded.
I loved the guy in '14, but since then, hm...

Absolutely, but who would take him?

[Joseph Kony]

Interesting if they could work Gibson/Snell (Kawhi's old teammate) for Diaw/Mills...type of trade.

That would be solid. Gibson is a decent backup for Aldridge

[Robz4000]

Tim/Bobo >>>> Gasol. People are deluding themselves if they think the Spurs have any chance next year against GS.

[-21-]

Boris has been one of my favorite Spurs ever so this so I'm upset about this. I also think he's one of the few guys we have that can play vs. GS but I guess Pop's just tired of his laziness.

Bye Bobo... :cry :bobo

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They don't need to move Diaw, I don't understand this move unless they'd rather use his money on Bertans, LJC, and/or Marjanovich.

They only have about $10 mil in cap space before trading him.

[Emperor]

Parker/Diaw for Jimmy Butler PLEASE.

[szkorhetz]

That would be solid. Gibson is a decent backup for Aldridge
That still don't help us opening up capspace, tbh.

Now I start to feel why Lorbek was worked up.

[Leetonidas]

Tim/Bobo >>>> Gasol. People are deluding themselves if they think the Spurs have any chance next year against GS.

you're deluding yourself if you think Tim was going to be anything but older and slower next year and that Boris would recover from being a complacent fatass brah

[SD126]

About damn time. Should have let his lard ass go after '14.

[Spurs9]

There is no realistic move the Spurs can make to beat the warriors now. The only thing they can build now is something entertaning. They wont be in the finals for a long time, start understanding that reality.

[Kikoluna]

Parker/Diaw for Jimmy Butler PLEASE.
With Jimmy Butler we can beat them.

[montgod]

That still don't help us opening up capspace, tbh.

Now I start to feel why Lorbek was worked up.

True only gives about a million space. Spurs could always throw in a Simmons, LJC or someone as well

[Leetonidas]

Too bad Spurs can't pry away one of those cheap rookie contract bigs from Philly

[myhc]

Tim/Bobo >>>> Gasol. People are deluding themselves if they think the Spurs have any chance next year against GS.

Tim is retiring and Bobo will never get in shape. Gasol is the right move. This is all probably moot given either scenario still puts us at a huge disadvantage against GS.

[sasaint]

Parker/Diaw for Jimmy Butler PLEASE.

Haha! You wish! No way Chicago does that!

[Robz4000]

you're deluding yourself if you think Tim was going to be anything but older and slower next year and that Boris would recover from being a complacent fatass brah

Combined they're better. Gasol individually is the best of the three right now, but he has the same limitations as Tim while Bobo gives the Spurs the only mismatch they had against the Dubs. On top of that it'd be a contract year for Bobo ala 2014.

[dbestpro]

There is no realistic move the Spurs can make to beat the warriors now. The only thing they can build now is something entertaning. They wont be in the finals for a long time, start understanding that reality.

We are a defensive PG away from giving the dubs fits.

[dbestpro]

With Diaw and West most likely gone does that mean Bonner will be the backup PF?

[Leetonidas]

Combined they're better. Gasol individually is the best of the three right now, but he has the same limitations as Tim while Bobo gives the Spurs the only mismatch they had against the Dubs. On top of that it'd be a contract year for Bobo ala 2014.

I agree somewhat but still, they're not a combined player :lol and Duncan retiring is his own personal decision. So basically Spurs are going with Gasol over Diaw which, given the last season, is probably the right move. Spurs can only do so much, unfortunately the best team got the best FA and that just fucks everything else up :depressed

[Robz4000]

Tim is retiring and Bobo will never get in shape. Gasol is the right move. This is all probably moot given either scenario still puts us at a huge disadvantage against GS.

Contract year for Diaw would prolly be enough to motivate him. I'd rather have Diaw 2.0 than current Gasol.

[dbestpro]

Seems to me there is no need to move Diaw if TD were retiring. Looks to me like he might stick around to give us a big three rotation.

[baseline bum]

They only have about $10 mil in cap space before trading him.

LMA - $20.6M
Kawhi - $17.6M
Parker - $14.5M
Green - $10.0M
Diaw - $7.0M
Mills - $3.2M
Duncan - $2.1M (stretch provision applied)
Anderson - $1.1M
Simmons - $0.9M
4 roster spots under 12 - $2.0M

TOTAL: $79.0M
CAPSPACE: $15.0M

[peacemaker885]

Diaw + DG + Mills + whoever for Butler....been reading lots about Rondo makes Butler not happy and Chicago wanting a clean slate etc...

[sexinthatsx]

If Diaw is being let go, it just shows that PATFO is putting their trust in the point forward position to Kyle Anderson

[Robz4000]

I agree somewhat but still, they're not a combined player :lol and Duncan retiring is his own personal decision. So basically Spurs are going with Gasol over Diaw which, given the last season, is probably the right move. Spurs can only do so much, unfortunately the best team got the best FA and that just fucks everything else up :depressed

My original statement was implying that the Spurs got worse this offseason. Yes they aren't the same player but I'd rather have those two over Gasol. Honestly, I think I'd rather have Bobo 2.0 over him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Diaw + DG + Mills + whoever for Butler....been reading lots about Rondo makes Butler not happy and Chicago wanting a clean slate etc...

They could get a much better deal than that:lol

[ducks]

could see spurs and hawks doing something

[objective]

LMA - $20.6M
Kawhi - $17.6M
Parker - $14.5M
Green - $10.0M
Diaw - $7.0M
Mills - $3.2M
Duncan - $2.1M (stretch provision applied)
Anderson - $1.1M
Simmons - $0.9M
4 roster spots under 12 - $2.0M

TOTAL: $79.0M
CAPSPACE: $15.0M

You're forgetting Murray and Manu's cap holds. LJC also.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Maybe moving Diaw is a sign Tim is staying? because Spurs would have the money for Gasol if Tim was retiring without moving Boris wouldn't they?

Yes, but this likely means that they intend to sign Boban and are leaving the $5,628,000 available if needed.

[buttsR4rebounding]

LMA - $20.6M
Kawhi - $17.6M
Parker - $14.5M
Green - $10.0M
Diaw - $7.0M
Mills - $3.2M
Duncan - $2.1M (stretch provision applied)
Anderson - $1.1M
Simmons - $0.9M
4 roster spots under 12 - $2.0M

TOTAL: $79.0M
CAPSPACE: $15.0M

So if Tim retires his salary still counts against the cap?

[timtonymanu]

Tim/Bobo >>>> Gasol. People are deluding themselves if they think the Spurs have any chance next year against GS.

To be fair, it's slim either way.

[baseline bum]

You're forgetting Murray and Manu's cap holds. LJC also.

Manu is likely to be renounced and signed to a minimum deal. You're right about the cap holds for Murray and LJC, but they're each only about $450k extra than the cap hold for the empty roster spot under 12 anyways. So yeah, maybe they have to cut $1.4M of salary to give Gasol $15M.

[Chris]

:lol Today's Boris Diaw

[Robz4000]

To be fair, it's slim either way.

Tru

[cd021]

LMA - $20.6M
Kawhi - $17.6M
Parker - $14.5M
Green - $10.0M
Diaw - $7.0M
Mills - $3.2M
Duncan - $2.1M (stretch provision applied)
Anderson - $1.1M
Simmons - $0.9M
4 roster spots under 12 - $2.0M

TOTAL: $79.0M
CAPSPACE: $15.0M

You may not have taken into account cap holds to Murray, Mulutinov, and LJC nor Bobans cap hold. Basketball insiders doesn't factor that in for some reason but they have it further down the page.

[Russo21]

Parker/Diaw for Jimmy Butler PLEASE. Yes yes a million times yes. But who the fuck would play PG

[baseline bum]

You may not have taken into account cap holds to Murray, Mulutinov, and LJC nor Bobans cap hold. Basketball insiders doesn't factor that in for some reason but they have it further down the page.

Is Mulutinov coming over? Boban is getting renounced unless they salary dump Diaw to sign him.

[cd021]

So if Tim retires his salary still counts against the cap?

if he is stretched then he will get payed $2.1 million for the 16-17, 17-18, 18-19 seasons.

[ducks]

Is Mulutinov coming over? Boban is getting renounced unless they salary dump Diaw to sign him.

they are trading him for capspace

[Thomas82]

Too bad Spurs can't pry away one of those cheap rookie contract bigs from Philly

That's what I was hoping for.

[baseline bum]

Parker/Diaw for Jimmy Butler PLEASE.

Why would Chicago ever do this? :lol

[cd021]

Is Mulutinov coming over? Boban is getting renounced unless they salary dump Diaw to sign him.

His cap hold still applies. He may still come over this year but it still counts for the moment until the Spurs inform the league that he is staying overseas, I believe. I would think that they keep Boban and because his RFA QA is so low and they are short on bigs (LMA, Gasol, West?,)

[r0drig0lac]

good

[SilverSpur]

Who would be the best suitors for Diaw. What could we get?, picks, money, player?
Would love to get Nerlens Noel at 4mil

[Ron Swanson]

With Diaw and West most likely gone does that mean Bonner will be the backup PF?

:pop: http://i.imgur.com/vB9B5.gif

[cd021]

Manu is likely to be renounced and signed to a minimum deal. You're right about the cap holds for Murray and LJC, but they're each only about $450k extra than the cap hold for the empty roster spot under 12 anyways. So yeah, maybe they have to cut $1.4M of salary to give Gasol $15M.

Maybe you know this but LJC is still listed on his rookie scale cap hold despite three seasons having past, I thought after 3 years abroad. that 1st rounders could not be held to rookie scale. If he does get $990,000 starting out on a four year deal that is good news considering the Spurs could have five or six players making less than the vet min. ($1.55 million for 10+ year vets)

[objective]

I would imagine one of Milutinov or Boban to be on the roster.

But it becomes a risky game I suppose. If the Spurs have to turn in Gasol paperwork and secure a Milutinov staying in Europe letter to clear the cap space, and then someone signs Boban to a restricted sheet the Spurs can't/won't match, I guess they'd really be screwed.

Don't know if they can change their minds and get to bring Milutinov over in that case

[Raven]

Tim/Bobo >>>> Gasol. People are deluding themselves if they think the Spurs have any chance next year against GS.
we were never going to get better with timmy retiring.. we should be glad for what we can do and take it as we can.. i mean, it's not like we're paying mozgov

[cd021]

Who would be the best suitors for Diaw. What could we get?, picks, money, player?
Would love to get Nerlens Noel at 4mil

I would imagine that it would have to be Diaw and Mills but I doubt that gets it done. I think that it is a straight up salary dump. I think New Orleans would be interested with Gentry. They have a tendency to give 1st rounders out like Oprah does new cars. I'd be cool with a couple of second rounders from a team that might not make the PS. Phoenix might be an option too off the top of my head.

[Raven]

Who would be the best suitors for Diaw. What could we get?, picks, money, player?
Would love to get Nerlens Noel at 4mil
:lol

[cd021]

I would imagine one of Milutinov or Boban to be on the roster.

But it becomes a risky game I suppose. If the Spurs have to turn in Gasol paperwork and secure a Milutinov staying in Europe letter to clear the cap space, and then someone signs Boban to a restricted sheet the Spurs can't/won't match, I guess they'd really be screwed.



Couldn't the Spurs have all four?

LMA- West (Maybe) LJC
Gasol-Boban-Milutinov

I think RFA starts on the 7th which could allow the Spurs time to get an offer together for Boban.

Don't know if they can change their minds and get to bring Milutinov over in that case.

[Kawhitstorm]

Manu is likely to be renounced and signed to a minimum deal. You're right about the cap holds for Murray and LJC, but they're each only about $450k extra than the cap hold for the empty roster spot under 12 anyways. So yeah, maybe they have to cut $1.4M of salary to give Gasol $15M.

Most likely Boris is getting moved to create space for the other FAs (Manu/D-Worst/Boban) rather than Pau.

[Kawhitstorm]

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Can't do a S&T w/ a 1+1 deal:

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The Raptors would be the perfect landing spot for Boris since they really need a PF & just lost out on Pau.

[r0drig0lac]

Parker/Diaw for Jimmy Butler PLEASE.

this is a trade level gsw / lakers fan

[Solid D]

As I mentioned earlier, I still think that Duncan's salary being packaged as part of a trade... just prior to Timmy retiring is in play here.

[objective]

Couldn't the Spurs have all four?

LMA- West (Maybe) LJC
Gasol-Boban-Milutinov

I think RFA starts on the 7th which could allow the Spurs time to get an offer together for Boban.

Don't know if they can change their minds and get to bring Milutinov over in that case.

No idea. I'd be happy with Milutinov on the roster also, just seems dicey with his cap hold and such.

[Chillen]

Diaw looked washed up last season, but the energy he brought in the 2014 playoffs helped this team win the NBA title so his play will be missed a bit. Still you choose Gasol over Diaw anytime.

[wildbill2u]

Glad this fat piece of shit is getting moved after getting complacent...

I believe that Diaw's feelings got hurt when they brought in West and he lost minutes. He wasn't the first big off the bench anymore. The more minutes he lost, the more he got miffed and didn't try. And got fat. And if there is anything Pop can't stand is a player that won't compete for his minutes. You could tell how pissed Pop was when he gave Diaw a DNP during the playoffs. Just my take, but jealousy explains a lot.

[objective]

I believe that Diaw's feelings got hurt when they brought in West and he lost minutes. He wasn't the first big off the bench anymore. The more minutes he lost, the more he got miffed and didn't try. And got fat. And if there is anything Pop can't stand is a player that won't compete for his minutes. You could tell how pissed Pop was when he gave Diaw a DNP during the playoffs. Just my take, but jealousy explains a lot.

Same thing happened with Malik Rose after they brought in Horry, I think.

[Mugen]

So Timmy/Diaw for Pau? Smh tbh.

[hsxvvd]

As I mentioned earlier, I still think that Duncan's salary being packaged as part of a trade... just prior to Timmy retiring is in play here.

Good call. Bowen style.

[tholdren]

I believe that Diaw's feelings got hurt when they brought in West and he lost minutes. He wasn't the first big off the bench anymore. The more minutes he lost, the more he got miffed and didn't try. And got fat. And if there is anything Pop can't stand is a player that won't compete for his minutes. You could tell how pissed Pop was when he gave Diaw a DNP during the playoffs. Just my take, but jealousy explains a lot.
then he should have been released immediately. wtf is wrong with kids today?

[eDizzle20]

So right now the frontline depth is as follows assuming Diaw is traded and Duncan retires...

C- Gasol, Boban (?)
PF - Aldridge, Jean-Charles
SF - Leonard, Anderson, Bertans...

My hope is that they add Milutinov. Yes, he is raw, but he has what Gasol and Boban do not have, mobility. Based on what players are going for in this free agency it makes sense to go with Milutinov as well.

[ducks]

Boris to raptors for picks
Raptors lost backup center

[BillMc]

So right now the frontline depth is as follows assuming Diaw is traded and Duncan retires...

C- Gasol, Boban (?)
PF - Aldridge, Jean-Charles
SF - Leonard, Anderson, Bertans...

My hope is that they add Milutinov. Yes, he is raw, but he has what Gasol and Boban do not have, mobility. Based on what players are going for in this free agency it makes sense to go with Milutinov as well.

Lorbek is in the summer league. Who knows he might be on the team.

[Mugen]

I'm fine with trading away Boris. I'm not fine with salary dumping him and getting nothing in return.

[still.focused]

S&T diaw parker n green for Pau & Jimmy Butler
Work out the math for me

[elemento]

I bet he ends up in Toronto.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Not bad news. Get rid of Porker too

[midnightpulp]

Tim/Bobo >>>> Gasol. People are deluding themselves if they think the Spurs have any chance next year against GS.

Duncan is done, bro. If he's truly retiring, then that mean the knee is shot.

And Diaw is a dice roll. Yes, Pau is worse than 2014 Diaw and Duncan, but better than 2016 Diaw and post-wheel-falling off Duncan.

[BillMc]

According to PTR
Boris has reportedly told the team that he has a list of five teams that he would like to be moved to, and the team is trying to make a deal with one of those teams.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/7/4/12094494/boris-diaw-expected-to-be-traded-to-make-room-for-gasols-contract

[baseline bum]

Can't do a S&T w/ a 1+1 deal:

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The Raptors would be the perfect landing spot for Boris since they really need a PF & just lost out on Pau.

Shit, I didn't realize there was a Non-Bird Exception now, which is what the Cavs used to sign James last year and what the Warriors will use to sign Durant next year, the Spurs will use on Gasol, etc. It allows a 20% raise.

[313]

Not a huge fan of signing him, but it's better than another year of fatass Diaw.

[Kawhitstorm]

Boris to raptors for picks
Raptors lost backup center

Raptors don't have a starting PF let along backup center.:lol (Nogueira will most likely be the backup center)

[AZK619]

Finally fat ass is gone, he can coast somewhere else. MVPau welcome home, new big 3 :worthy:

[ElNono]

Move fucking Bonner to the fucking Celtics, jeez... I was looking forward to contract-year Boris

[Budkin]

Diaw's gonna end up on the Warriors somehow.

[loveforthegame]

LOL. What? Diaw has a list of teams he'd like to be traded to? Fuck him. Take your espresso machine and go wherever they send you.

[montgod]

LOL. What? Diaw has a list of teams he'd like to be traded to? Fuck him. Take your espresso machine and go wherever they send you.

Probably cause teams are giving same thing in return, 2nd rounder most likely so better to keep players thinking SA a good place to go.

[Robz4000]

Duncan is done, bro. If he's truly retiring, then that mean the knee is shot.

And Diaw is a dice roll. Yes, Pau is worse than 2014 Diaw and Duncan, but better than 2016 Diaw and post-wheel-falling off Duncan.

Still would rather have Diaw than Gasol for $30 mil.

[Hoops Czar]

Boris to raptors for picks
Raptors lost backup center

I'm sure Toronto is looking into Max Ezeli as we speak. :wakeup

[midnightpulp]

Still would rather have Diaw than Gasol for $30 mil.

Filling the void Duncan leaves is a bigger priority than keeping Diaw. The fact the Spurs so aggressively pursued Gasol tells me Duncan informed them of his retirement early on.

And Gasol is the closest thing to Duncan there is in the league.

[TD 21]

I bet he ends up in Toronto.

Agreed.

[Leetonidas]

Not sure why everyone is so down on Gasol, especially seeing Mozgov get 16 million a season tbh

[Robz4000]

Filling the void Duncan leaves is a bigger priority than keeping Diaw. The fact the Spurs so aggressively pursued Gasol tells me Duncan informed them of his retirement early on.

And Gasol is the closest thing to Duncan there is in the league.

I agree with that, but not for $30 mil. I was 100% on board with getting Gasol, but now that I see his ridiculous market and that Durant really did pussy out I'd rather the Spurs just roll with what they have and bring in a young prospect or cheap C, especially when Gasol will have to be benched against their only real Western competition (GS).

[baseline bum]

Same thing happened with Malik Rose after they brought in Horry, I think.

It seemed like with Rose it was just pressing to try to justify the $42 million contract he signed. He made lots of stupid mistakes but I don't think it was ever a question of effort like with Diaw.

[objective]

Not sure why everyone is so down on Gasol, especially seeing Mozgov get 16 million a season tbh

It's disappointing because Duncan was terrible defending the pick & roll, which is such a big part of today's game, especially against the Warriors.

Spurs are committing $30+ million over the next two years on a 36 year old who might fall off just as hard as Duncan.

And didn't improve the pick & roll defense at all. If anything worse in other areas of defense.

And that also costs them Diaw and who knows what else.

[sasaint]

I'm fine with trading away Boris. I'm not fine with salary dumping him and getting nothing in return.

If we can get rid of Boris without having to ADD a pick for inducement, I would count that as a win.

[montgod]

If we can get rid of Boris without having to ADD a pick for inducement, I would count that as a win.

Not adding, taking one back

[szkorhetz]

Filling the void Duncan leaves is a bigger priority than keeping Diaw. The fact the Spurs so aggressively pursued Gasol tells me Duncan informed them of his retirement early on.

And Gasol is the closest thing to Duncan there is in the league.
Then why the heck did he accept the player option? Makes no sense.

[Leetonidas]

It's disappointing because Duncan was terrible defending the pick & roll, which is such a big part of today's game, especially against the Warriors.

Spurs are committing $30+ million over the next two years on a 36 year old who might fall off just as hard as Duncan.

And didn't improve the pick & roll defense at all. If anything worse in other areas of defense.

And that also costs them Diaw and who knows what else.

Yeah, and our team would've been even more elite on offense if our starting C could've hit a bucket to save his life. 2nd year is a player option which he will likely opt out of and the cap is exploding. Garbage players like Mozgov are getting 16 million a season. What do you think, given that Duncan decided to retire, the Spurs could've done to get better? This is literally the best they can do with the space they have and he's taking 10 million less to play here. Diaw was shit last season and Pau costing Boris doesn't mean much unless we're living in the fantasy land that Diaw will have some epic resurgent year in 2017 at 35 and overweight

[Leetonidas]

Then why the heck did he accept the player option? Makes no sense.

I don't see why it's crazy to think that Tim wanted to get paid after taking discounts the last few years

[SAGirl]

LMA - $20.6M
Kawhi - $17.6M
Parker - $14.5M
Green - $10.0M
Diaw - $7.0M
Mills - $3.2M
Duncan - $2.1M (stretch provision applied)
Anderson - $1.1M
Simmons - $0.9M
4 roster spots under 12 - $2.0M

TOTAL: $79.0M
CAPSPACE: $15.0M
They have other guys to sign. Manu Bertans, maybe West, Boban.

[sasaint]

Not adding, taking one back

You may have misread my comment. If we actually GET a pick then that would be a double-plus win for the Spurs.

[lmbebo]

I could see Spurs adding Thomas Robinson as well. Spurs have shown some interest in him. Spurs remaking roster in big ways ..

Gasol, Boban, LJC, Bertans, LMA, Kwahi, Anderson, Robinson. Adds some length and athleticism there. Just not a lot of proven game play yet. should be interesting.

[sasaint]

I could see Spurs adding Thomas Robinson as well. Spurs have shown some interest in him. Spurs remaking roster in big ways ..

Gasol, Boban, LJC, Bertans, LMA, Kwahi, Anderson, Robinson. Adds some length and athleticism there. Just not a lot of proven game play yet. should be interesting.

I would rather take a flyer on Jarnell Stokes than have Thomas Robinson.

[baseline bum]

They have other guys to sign. Manu Bertans, maybe West, Boban.

With minimum salaries or exceptions. You know they renounced Manu when they signed Aldridge right?

[CGD]

Can't do a S&T w/ a 1+1 deal:

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The Raptors would be the perfect landing spot for Boris since they really need a PF & just lost out on Pau.

That's a shame about the S&T. Another report said they were still working out the details so let's hope that they're being creative, e.g., 2 years guaranteed money + 3rd partially guaranteed.

Insisting on a 1+1 to be able to test the market again next year seems a bit hubristic for a 36 year old Pau

[SAGirl]

I believe that Diaw's feelings got hurt when they brought in West and he lost minutes. He wasn't the first big off the bench anymore. The more minutes he lost, the more he got miffed and didn't try. And got fat. And if there is anything Pop can't stand is a player that won't compete for his minutes. You could tell how pissed Pop was when he gave Diaw a DNP during the playoffs. Just my take, but jealousy explains a lot.
Diaw was still the most versatile and talented between him and West but West played a lot more, had a better season and when it was time to go perimeter, Pop started to prefer Anderson. Diaw only got up and competed in a handful of games a season. Still I know Pop wanted to keep him if they could but he wasn't a guy you couldn't spare.

[SupremeGuy]

shed tp...


Throw in TP and make it a clean sweep...


Yeah, the band is broken without timmy. Trade tp.


Can we include Parker in a "fat Frenchies" package?All of this...

[objective]

Yeah, and our team would've been even more elite on offense if our starting C could've hit a bucket to save his life. 2nd year is a player option which he will likely opt out of and the cap is exploding. Garbage players like Mozgov are getting 16 million a season. What do you think, given that Duncan decided to retire, the Spurs could've done to get better? This is literally the best they can do with the space they have and he's taking 10 million less to play here. Diaw was shit last season and Pau costing Boris doesn't mean much unless we're living in the fantasy land that Diaw will have some epic resurgent year in 2017 at 35 and overweight

What does Mozgov have to do with anything? Just because the Lakers do something dumb, the Spurs get a pass?

Diaw was crap a lot of the season, but as of now, he was the only crap left on the roster as a backup big.

Duncan was bad on offense against an OKC team that no longer exists. How would either Duncan or Gasol even stay on the court against GS?

You couldn't understand the pov of some, I just gave an explanation.

[Hoops Czar]

GSW's literally traded Bogut within an hour of signing Durant. The Spurs can't even give Diaw away. Spurs assets. :lol

[SAGirl]

According to PTR

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/7/4/12094494/boris-diaw-expected-to-be-traded-to-make-room-for-gasols-contract
So classy. Love Spurs FO. I don't think it was easy to part with Diaw coasting and all. I sympathise with fans who lost a favorite player too. He would love Toronto IMO. Get to roll with Cojo and crew. Yikes.

[Leetonidas]

What does Mozgov have to do with anything? Just because the Lakers do something dumb, the Spurs get a pass?

Diaw was crap a lot of the season, but as of now, he was the only crap left on the roster as a backup big.

Duncan was bad on offense against an OKC team that no longer exists. How would either Duncan or Gasol even stay on the court against GS?

You couldn't understand the pov of some, I just gave an explanation.
But it's not just the Lakers, look around the entire league and see how many scrubs are getting 15 million contracts this summer. I was trying to make a point about teams overpaying in general. And the second line doesn't make sense, because if Duncan retires, then Spurs have no starting C, which is much more of a hole than a backup PF which is probably easier to fill (Anderson can play backup PF, LJC is supposedly coming, etc). And I don't see why everyone thinks GS is gonna run us off the court with their small ass team, Spurs will be crushing them in the paint on the other end imo

[SAGirl]

With minimum salaries or exceptions. You know they renounced Manu when they signed Aldridge right?
Manu and his agent made it clear he wants to get paid. He is not playing for the minimum. He's probably got offers from other teams too.

[baseline bum]

Manu and his agent made it clear he wants to get paid.

Where was this?

[objective]

But it's not just the Lakers, look around the entire league and see how many scrubs are getting 15 million contracts this summer. I was trying to make a point about teams overpaying in general. And the second line doesn't make sense, because if Duncan retires, then Spurs have no starting C, which is much more of a hole than a backup PF which is probably easier to fill (Anderson can play backup PF, LJC is supposedly coming, etc). And I don't see why everyone thinks GS is gonna run us off the court with their small ass team, Spurs will be crushing them in the paint on the other end imo

I know scrubs are getting paid, even though I'd rather have Mahinmi at the same price, which he's basically getting over four years instead of two. I know that would not be a majority preference probably, just giving an example. I would take the defense over the offense.

But it's not $16+ million for every one. Seems like some were out there which would have allowed for Diaw retention. Aldrich. An offer sheet to Plumlee. Jefferson.

Bottom line is that while there's a fair argument that Gasol was the best they could do, there is also the argument that they didn't get much better than last year with the Gasol/Duncan switch, and no matter the circumstances, that will be disappointing. Especially on top of the emotions of Duncan probably retiring.

[NASpurs]

Where was this?

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[SAGirl]

Where was this?
Look up the new Manu article in La Nacion that ElNono translated. There's an article also in San Antonio Express News where Manus agent makes the statement. I saw it last night.

[lefty20]

Manu and his agent made it clear he wants to get paid.

I can't seem to find nono's post regarding this.

[cd98]

Manu doesn't have much room to negotiate. There simply isn't the money to pay a guy to play 15 minutes a game superstar dollars. I imagine he'll take something small. I mean, who's going to sign him to a bigger contract? Esp at his age.

[cd021]

Still hold out hope Duncan comes back for year 20 but West is still an option to replace Diaw, I think. Diaw can't shoot anymore, has been below average from midrange the past four seasons while West can still shoot and had a much better year for a fraction of the price.

The thing that worries me is Diaws versatility, I really worry about not having him vs. GSW.

[baseline bum]

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If Manu is wanting market value that's impossible after they just signed Gasol. Something up to $5 million is probably doable with the Diaw salary dump.

[cd021]

Manu doesn't have much room to negotiate. There simply isn't the money to pay a guy to play 15 minutes a game superstar dollars. I imagine he'll take something small. I mean, who's going to sign him to a bigger contract? Esp at his age.

One year Jeff Green Deal comes to mind, someone would break him off.

[Obstructed_View]

Hope Manu likes Denver.

[Spurs9]

Boris and parker for westbrook plz, that team could challange dubs.

[SAGirl]

I can't seem to find nono's post regarding this.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261900&page=2&p=8653848#post8653848

[BacktoBasics]

The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by shitting on the flavor of the month.

I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.

[cd98]

The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by shitting on the flavor of the month.

I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.

It's not just that he's good value, it's that there's no realistic replacement. Patty Mills is not the answer. Parker is better than some D Leaguer. And there aren't good options on the market. He's here until we can find someone better, which won't be easy this year.

[Robz4000]

The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by shitting on the flavor of the month.

I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.

The posters who appear once in a blue moon to complain about how the quality of posters has gone down then don't do anything to try to fix it are the ones who aren't missed tbh.

Also, looking around at all these horrendous contracts being given out like candy the Spurs could find someone willing to take Parker while getting a solid player in return (as well as much needed cap space to fill out the roster).

[noles1983]

Boris and parker for westbrook plz, that team could challange dubs.

that would be amazing. throw in fat head too.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's not just that he's good value, it's that there's no realistic replacement. Patty Mills is not the answer. Parker is better than some D Leaguer. And there aren't good options on the market. He's here until we can find someone better, which won't be easy this year.

Not to mention that the realistic trade partners for Parker aren't worth pursuing, at all(Bulls' Rose, Rubio, Dragic, etc)

It's an unfortunate situation for the Spurs, but there's virtually nothing they can do about it until he's off the books..event ignoring the loyalty factor, there aren't any positive value trades for Parker, and they never had any significant assets to sweeten the deal, either..

[Mr. Body]

The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by shitting on the flavor of the month.

I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.

Agree. There used to be mods who would have these twerps over a barrel then out the door in short form.

[JR3]

Jazz are under the floor and would likely take diaw

[cd021]

Woj mentioned that moving Diaw wasn't necessarily a guarantee but the most likely option, I would hope that if we do move him we get a decent 2nd rounder in return for him.

[BacktoBasics]

The posters who appear once in a blue moon to complain about how the quality of posters has gone down then don't do anything to try to fix it are the ones who aren't missed tbh.

Also, looking around at all these horrendous contracts being given out like candy the Spurs could find someone willing to take Parker while getting a solid player in return (as well as much needed cap space to fill out the roster).Give me the power to fix it and I will.

At his contract the only reasonable trade would have to come in the form of an up and comer on a rookie contract or someone who still shows signs of potential. No team is going to make that trade for a guy who's on the tail end of his career. You might get a quality player back but its not likely to be a PG...you're still left with the void.

Additionally Parker isn't putting any contenders closer to a ring - so rule that out as well.

TP's skill set at his current contract is way more logical than a slightly better player on a bloated deal. There's no argument to be made here. Its morons with weak ego's seeking attention.

[Hoops Czar]

Woj mentioned that moving Diaw wasn't necessarily a guarantee but the most likely option, I would hope that if we do move him we get a decent 2nd rounder in return for him.

There's no such thing as a decent 2nd rounder. They're all a crapshoot.

[Robz4000]

Give me the power to fix it and I will.

At his contract the only reasonable trade would have to come in the form of an up and comer on a rookie contract or someone who still shows signs of potential. No team is going to make that trade for a guy who's on the tail end of his career. You might get a quality player back but its not likely to be a PG...you're still left with the void.

Additionally Parker isn't putting any contenders closer to a ring - so rule that out as well.

You have the power to fix it: start generating good basketball discussions rather than complaining about it. I see plenty of threads containing great discussions, add to them or come up with your own.

As for Parker, there have been several options out there to try:

Brandon Jennings literally just got $5 mil to sign with the Knicks. Don't really like him but he's a better shooter than Parker and can penetrate fine, would fit well with Kawhi and LMA if he didn't chuck.

MCW is a player I despise but he's young enough and gives the Spurs another Curry defender; cant shoot for shit but he could have his shot salvaged with the Spurs perhaps, and you know MIL would be interested in a vet PG fine with a coach calling a lot of the plays.

Ish Smith was signed cheaply a bit ago and would've be a great possible option.

The Spurs don't need too much in a starting PG outside youth, penetration, and an ability to get the ball to Kawhi and LMA. Thinking the Spurs would take a step back with moving Parker is nonsense; he hasn't been moved due to loyalty and stubbornness from Pop.

[ace3g]

If Spurs move Diaw, what about for Joe Ingles from Utah?

[TrainOfThought5]

Haha! You wish! No way Chicago does that!

We'd probably have to trade a real asset and all our picks for the next 5 years to get Jimmy Butler

[BacktoBasics]

You have the power to fix it: start generating good basketball discussions rather than complaining about it. I see plenty of threads containing great discussions, add to them or come up with your own.

As for Parker, there have been several options out there to try:

Brandon Jennings literally just got $5 mil to sign with the Knicks. Don't really like him but he's a better shooter than Parker and can penetrate fine, would fit well with Kawhi and LMA if he didn't chuck.

MCW is a player I despise but he's young enough and gives the Spurs another Curry defender; cant shoot for shit but he could have his shot salvaged with the Spurs perhaps, and you know MIL would be interested in a vet PG fine with a coach calling a lot of the plays.

Ish Smith was signed cheaply a bit ago and would've be a great possible option.

The Spurs don't need too much in a starting PG outside youth, penetration, and an ability to get the ball to Kawhi and LMA. Thinking the Spurs would take a step back with moving Parker is nonsense; he hasn't been moved due to loyalty and stubbornness from Pop.I don't have an issue with making an argument like above. Its the pointless and senseless pile on that's really annoying.

Jenning is hardly a better shooter. Career shooting % is under 40%...I'm certain of that. Horrible shot selection and in the big picture Parker is a way better overall teammate than Jennings.

I don't have an issue with MCW but he has no range and has barely been a difference maker since moving to a better team. He's statistically dropped every year in multiple categories. Not sure that works for either team.

Ish is barely a flash in the pan. I'd rather have Mills...who knows the system.

None of these are proven to be a better option than Parker.

[look_at_g_shred]

Can we trade him for Ish Smith?

[Leetonidas]

Damn, I left the house 4 hours ago. Still nothing

[loveforthegame]

Can't give him away or what?

[apalisoc_9]

I wonder if the spurs can trade him for a second and delon wright of toronto...Wright was impressive in almost every significant minute he played with toronto..theybalso need a 4

[look_at_g_shred]

Can't give him away or what?
The problem is that he has a list of only 5 teams he wants to go to.

[loveforthegame]

The problem is that he has a list of only 5 teams he wants to go to.

Does he have a no trade clause? If not, trade him for the best deal.

[Juan]

Does he have a no trade clause? If not, trade him for the best deal.

Not how the Spurs operate. If you don't like that, you are probably a fan of the wrong team. They will do everything possible to fulfill his request. No bobo no fifth ring.

[loveforthegame]

Not how the Spurs operate. If you don't like that, you are probably a fan of the wrong team. They will do everything possible to fulfill his request. No bobo no fifth ring.

The Spurs are all class. I'm sure they will try to trade him to one of the teams he likes but in the end they need to do what's best for SA and not Diaw.

[dbestpro]

Knowing Diaw, the 3 of the 5 teams would be Toronto, New Orleans, and Knicks. Most likely looking for multicultural area for sure.

[$pursDynasty]

I would move Patty before Boris. Boris can be useless when uninspired, but when inspired is a match up nightmare. Patty hasn't been the same since the injury.

[sasaint]

We'd probably have to trade a real asset and all our picks for the next 5 years to get Jimmy Butler

LMA, tbh.

[poeticism707]

Don't trade Diaw for fucking

has been Gasol, wtf Spurs.

[bklynspursfan]

Spurs will try and take care of Diaw. Just as they did with sending George Hill to the Pacers.it's a shame he played so poorly in that OKC series. We really needed him.

We'll always have 2014 though... We don't do what we did without him.

[bklynspursfan]

I would move Patty before Boris. Boris can be useless when uninspired, but when inspired is a match up nightmare. Patty hasn't been the same since the injury.

Patty looks to be in amazing shape this off-season. I'd bank on him having a bounce-back year

[hsxvvd]

If Spurs move Diaw, what about for Joe Ingles from Utah?

:bobo

[cd021]

There's no such thing as a decent 2nd rounder. They're all a crapshoot.

:lol anthing in the top 40 is a good pick, it is not uncommon for first round talent to fall into the second round.

[tholdren]

Not how the Spurs operate. If you don't like that, you are probably a fan of the wrong team. They will do everything possible to fulfill his request. No bobo no fifth ring.
Exactly how spurs should operate given fat-ass's lack of concern for the team the past 2 years. DNPCD during an elimination playoff game? Stop being a fruit trying to take pictures and talk art. You're hired as a basketball player. Play basketball, be in shape for basketball, contribute to basketball during all contracted years.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not to mention that the realistic trade partners for Parker aren't worth pursuing, at all(Bulls' Rose, Rubio, Dragic, etc)

It's an unfortunate situation for the Spurs, but there's virtually nothing they can do about it until he's off the books..event ignoring the loyalty factor, there aren't any positive value trades for Parker, and they never had any significant assets to sweeten the deal, either..

DUMP his salary on the Sixers & sign Choke-P3 next summer.:wakeup

[Snaq O'Meal]

Play basketball, be in shape for basketball, contribute to basketball during all contracted years.

There was probably a bit of miscommunication. They told him to "be in shape for basketball," but he came back in the shape of a basketball.

[GSH]

The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by shitting on the flavor of the month.

I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.


They don't understand the salary cap, and the fact that the teams who would take Parker have to cope with the cap just like the Spurs do. They can't just take on unlimited salary to get the Spurs out of a jam.

But you don't seem to understand that if the goal is to win it all, you can't necessarily look at that cost/value comparison. If your starting PG isn't good enough to take you all the way, he's not a bargain, no matter how little he's making. Having a starting PG who is a "great value" is only meaningful if he's still got the stuff to get the Spurs through the Finals. I don't hate him, and I'm not saying he doesn't still have value. But I'm seriously doubting his ability to move the offense against the better teams in the league. I don't see any alternative at this point, but you can't be too shocked that people are discussing him as possibly the weakest link in the starting five, and wishing we had an upgrade.

[GSH]

Oh, and all this bullshit about not taking care of Boris? SA is a small market team that frequently has to ask players to come here at a discount. You won't get many quality players to come here if you get a reputation of pissing on them. The Spurs' reputation for taking care of players in situations like this, or even after they get injured carries a lot of weight when guys are considering SA as a destination.

The Spurs are going to do their level best to get Boris into a situation that he likes. As they should.

[Vic Petro]

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[DenialTwist]

I swear. If Diaw ends up on the Warriors...it will suck even more.
They better get a good return on a trade for Diaw.

[Brazil]

If Bobo is traded for a team coached by a dumbass he will go charlotte on them... Best scenario for him is to be traded for a Pop sphere of influence coach.

BTW he would be a great fit with GSW :lol

[San Antonio Slayer]

GSW, Miami, Dallas, Atlanta...our bench will suck next season(((

[BacktoBasics]

They don't understand the salary cap, and the fact that the teams who would take Parker have to cope with the cap just like the Spurs do. They can't just take on unlimited salary to get the Spurs out of a jam.

But you don't seem to understand that if the goal is to win it all, you can't necessarily look at that cost/value comparison. If your starting PG isn't good enough to take you all the way, he's not a bargain, no matter how little he's making. Having a starting PG who is a "great value" is only meaningful if he's still got the stuff to get the Spurs through the Finals. I don't hate him, and I'm not saying he doesn't still have value. But I'm seriously doubting his ability to move the offense against the better teams in the league. I don't see any alternative at this point, but you can't be too shocked that people are discussing him as possibly the weakest link in the starting five, and wishing we had an upgrade.All valid points. But the value is largely due to the bolded statement above. As of now there isn't a better option. Regardless of whether or not he capable of leading the team....he's the best option, right now, today.

Its not a matter of being "shocked" that people are discussing it. It should be discussed and as time goes by its becoming a bigger and bigger issue. However very few here are actually "discussing" anything. Ripping TP is the new "TBH" here. They're not saying it to be insightful or provoke a quality discussion. Its the trendy thing to say and 90% of these people are only saying it because someone that they want validation from is saying it...so they all pile on because these needy morons crave approval and desperately want to be a part of the current circle jerk.

[BSfromTX]

Tough to lose Diaw for sure, but only for holding out hope that he returns to '14 form. Cant afford to have '15-16 Diaw

[ceperez]

You know, Diaw would have been effective against the Dubs. But against OKC, he was too small to bully his way.

Spurs however by signing Gasol and Duncan retiring don't have a lot of players up front. Word is also out that Spurs will also have to let go of Boban.

[MaNu4Tres]

How crazy is it that after 2 and a half years after the 2014 title run, the Spurs won't have any of the front-court players from the 2014 title team.

[sasaint]

GSW, Miami, Dallas, Atlanta...our bench will suck next season(((

Our bench was TURRIBLE last season. The thought that it may not be that good is very discouraging.

[loveforthegame]

I'm proud of Diaw. He was actually motivated enough to give the Spurs a list of teams he'd like to be traded to. That's more than we saw from him last season.

[sasaint]

I'm proud of Diaw. He was actually motivated enough to give the Spurs a list of teams he'd like to be traded to. That's more than we saw from him last season.

:lmao

[Uriel]

How crazy is it that after 2 and a half years after the 2014 title run, the Spurs won't have any of the front-court players from the 2014 title team.
https://scontent.fmnl3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13598984_10154363347702236_2143019647_n.jpg?oh=1c3 e67bd3fdf05a3d5bb418217c1fb28&oe=577DD753

[TheGoldStandard]

https://scontent.fmnl3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13598984_10154363347702236_2143019647_n.jpg?oh=1c3 e67bd3fdf05a3d5bb418217c1fb28&oe=577DD753

The savior

[gambit1990]

$7 million is not a lot to pay for boris considering the contracts that were handed out this summer. his contract is expiring too.

i wonder when there will be news...

does pau + duncan mean no boris & boban?

or does just pau mean no boris & boban?

[Steve-O-Matic]

I'll be disappointed if the Spurs don't get some level of small but meaningful asset in return......i.e. something more than a top-58-protected 2nd round pick in 2025. Diaw's contract is well in line with his level of production and what he adds to a team, relative to the absurd numbers that free agents are getting now under the new cap. Simply put, Garrett Temple just signed a contract which will pay him more than what Diaw will make. Think about that. Furthermore, Diaw's $7.5M salary the season after next is fully non-guaranteed, which makes it an invaluable trade chip next summer for whichever team owns it.

[SpursforSix]

I'll be disappointed if the Spurs don't get some level of small but meaningful asset in return......i.e. something more than a top-58-protected 2nd round pick in 2025. Diaw's contract is well in line with his level of production and what he adds to a team, relative to the absurd numbers that free agents are getting now under the new cap. Simply put, Garrett Temple just signed a contract which will pay him more than what Diaw will make. Think about that. Furthermore, Diaw's $7.5M salary the season after next is fully non-guaranteed, which makes it an invaluable trade chip next summer for whichever team owns it.

I agree. He's worth more than a throwaway. Some team will perceive that he's got something left and can help immediately.

[baseline bum]

How crazy is it that after 2 and a half years after the 2014 title run, the Spurs won't have any of the front-court players from the 2014 title team.

They'll have Kawhi and Bonner :lol

[Hoops Czar]

And posters thought Boris had trade value. :lol They can't give this nigga away.

[Obstructed_View]

People keep talking about the Spurs getting a pick for him. I'm still worried that they'll have to give a pick to get rid of him and make room for Pau.

Yeah, Golden State made it shockingly easy to get rid of a player for a conditional second rounder. My guess is that everyone knows Diaw's going to get fat wherever he goes, so they don't want to take on his salary.

[Hoops Czar]

People keep talking about the Spurs getting a pick for him. I'm still worried that they'll have to give a pick to get rid of him and make room for Pau.

Yeah, top 55 protected. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Question for salary people: If Duncan retires, does that free up six million dollars? Then you just trade Simmons and keep Diaw?

[Tully365]

Craziest off season ever-- a 73 win team lets two starters go, and a 67 win team potentially makes big changes to its frontline.

[Mugen]

Question for salary people: If Duncan retires, does that free up six million dollars? Then you just trade Simmons and keep Diaw?

They'll likely pay Duncan that money which will count against the cap or stretch him for the next 3 years. Either way, that Duncan money will affect the Spurs cap when he retires.

[MaNu4Tres]

They'll have Kawhi and Bonner :lol

Kawhi is a perimeter player. Talking about the main rotation of Splitter/Duncan/Boris/Baynes

[Mr. Body]

Craziest off season ever-- a 73 win team lets two starters go, and a 67 win team potentially makes big changes to its frontline.

No crazier than a 73 win team crapping the playoffs and nearly losing one series before crashing out the next.

[MaNu4Tres]

People keep talking about the Spurs getting a pick for him. I'm still worried that they'll have to give a pick to get rid of him and make room for Pau.

Highly highly unlikely Spurs have to give up a pick because the player and contract are both valuable to the team receiving Diaw. Also, considering the scarce & new market valuations for PF's on the FA market still -- Diaw is a steal for 7 million.

[MaNu4Tres]

Question for salary people: If Duncan retires, does that free up six million dollars? Then you just trade Simmons and keep Diaw?

No. They will still have to pay Duncan, but Spurs can spread the 6.4 owed over 3 years and it will count only 2.1 mil against the cap this year.

[Twisted_Dawg]

And posters thought Boris had trade value. :lol They can't give this nigga away.


People keep talking about the Spurs getting a pick for him. I'm still worried that they'll have to give a pick to get rid of him and make room for Pau.

Are you guys suggesting we might need to Jackie Butler Diaw?

[MaNu4Tres]

If I'm one of the (apparently few) teams that might take Diaw and his contract, and I know how desperate the Spurs are to get Pau Gasol? Hell yes I'd play hardball with them. That's just business. If the Spurs shop him around and don't get any takers, they're going to have to come back with something better. Seems to me that means package him with something, or keep him and dump other players that would probably hurt even more.

BTW - in addition to his salary, Boris has a $500K incentive to keep in shape. I know $500K sounds like chump change these days, but I think a half million dollars still counts for something - even in the world of NBA salaries.

Good thing is, Spurs are shopping him around to teams (teams plural) and likely going to highest bidder. These teams obviously need PF help for SA to be in discussions with them and by looking at whats left? Diaw for 7 million is probably the best available PF on the market for the price. Spurs know that, and so do the teams bidding for him.

[Kineto]

If I'm one of the (apparently few) teams that might take Diaw and his contract, and I know how desperate the Spurs are to get Pau Gasol? Hell yes I'd play hardball with them. That's just business. If the Spurs shop him around and don't get any takers, they're going to have to come back with something better. Seems to me that means package him with something, or keep him and dump other players that would probably hurt even more.

BTW - in addition to his salary, Boris has a $500K incentive to keep in shape. I know $500K sounds like chump change these days, but I think a half million dollars still counts for something - even in the world of NBA salaries.

You can play hardball if you're the only trade partner available.

But if other teams are intersted, you will end with nothing if you are too greedy

[montgod]

You can play hardball if you're the only trade partner available.

But if other teams are intersted, you will end with nothing if you are too greedy

Well they need to hurry before the Olympics continue on... and get something completed.

[rmt]

GSW has gotten rid of Bogut and acquired KD. I don't see the sense in getting Gasol who's gonna sit on the bench when they go micro ball all game long. Diaw otoh might be useful against Dray.

[Dre_7]

GSW has gotten rid of Bogut and acquired KD. I don't see the sense in getting Gasol who's gonna sit on the bench when they go micro ball all game long. Diaw otoh might be useful against Dray.

Because you can't survive with only two main options. Parker is no longer a legit 3rd option (as great as he has been in his career). As much as I LOVE Kawhi and Aldridge, the Spurs needed another guy on offense. They tried to get KD, and when they couldn't they got Pau. Can't fault them there, they looked at their best options.

Also, Pau's PnR abilities may actually benefit Parker on offense.

[Joseph Kony]

GSW has gotten rid of Bogut and acquired KD. I don't see the sense in getting Gasol who's gonna sit on the bench when they go micro ball all game long. Diaw otoh might be useful against Dray.

Play to their strengths tbh. No team can match GS on the perimeter, short of LeBron/Westbrook/Harden teaming up or something. Spurs will have to capitalize on their size in the paint which they can. But no move they can make is really going to give them an edge on the Warriors wings

[Atl Spur]

Do you guys really think the spurs don't already have a trade in place prior to all this news being released? If you don't, I have an iceberg in phoenix for sale!!!! There is no way in hell San Antonio doesn't have this base covered prior to any pending deal.......

[-21-]

What happens if there are no takers?

[SpursforSix]

What happens if there are no takers?

Then Diaw 3.0. He gets into shape and focuses on basketball and becomes the player he was 2 years ago.

[montgod]

Do you guys really think the spurs don't already have a trade in place prior to all this news being released? If you don't, I have an iceberg in phoenix for sale!!!! There is no way in hell San Antonio doesn't have this base covered prior to any pending deal.......

I am sure they have something done in principle. Just not sure what they are waiting on. Maybe the whole Duncan decision. Either way though the Spurs would still need the cap room.

[-21-]

Then Diaw 3.0. He gets into shape and focuses on basketball and becomes the player he was 2 years ago.

But will we have enough space for Gasol's contract?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Absolutely, but who would take him?

Rubio

[Joseph Kony]

I think if Tim retires and they stretch him they will still have the money for Gasol but won't be able to do jackshit else for Manu or Boban/FA big, is that right?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Diaw's gonna end up on the Warriors somehow.

nice

[bklynspursfan]

Diaw is on Utah now

[r0drig0lac]

Jazz!!!

[ceperez]

Jazz!!!

Well.... Utah will benefit with veteran leadership. Jazz look to be playoff bound with their youth and size.

[ceperez]

Bobo on the move!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246881/Jazz-Attempting-To-Trade-Boris-Diaw-Before-Guarantee-Date

Should the Spurs snag him when he hits the waiver line?

[Spurtacular]

Diaw would be a good second unit player at the right price, obviously.

[MaNu4Tres]

Boris is already thinking about retirement. Has been for the past 2 years. He has very little left. Fans want to bring back Malik Rose too?

[jyra]

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[raybies]

if manu doesnt come back, id love to have him as a novelty signing

[Phenomanul]

He's still very much out of shape...

[superbigtime]

Boris is ready to globe trek and leave bball behind.

[kaji157]

I'd love him to return.

[TheGreatYacht]

Has more in the tank than ST's favorite son, Shitter tbh :lol

Would still say no though, even at the min

[rudwick]

If we're tanking, lets do it with Boris! Espresso machine!

[timtonymanu]

Bring back Duncan, Bonner, and Errors while we're at it

[Uriel]

Bring back Splitter and Diaw so we can put the United Nations crew back together.

[TheDoctor]

I'd love him to return...

...To France.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Liposuction is always an option for Diaw to regain his former physique.