Diaw traded to Utah

[baseline bum]

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[NASpurs]

Utah was one of the five teams on his list? Probably because of Gobert.

[RayTdropout]

For who

[Dancelot]

I wonder if we get anything more than cap space?

[Chris]

R.I.P. Bobo *sniff

[TheMulletMan3000]

:bobo

[r0drig0lac]

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/anchorman-yes-jumping.gif

[timtonymanu]

Ugh hopefully we get something in return and not just lose more depth

[NASpurs]

Woj: "Jazz sending rights to 2015 second-round pick Olivier Hanlan, who played overseas last year. Deal allows the Spurs space to sign Pau Gasol."

[ceperez]

I doubt Spurs get anything!

Utah likely will benefit given they need some veteran leadership. Jazz have a lot of youth and talent.

[spurs1990]

Dang no Diaw, no West, likely no Duncan.

This is shaping up to be a weird roster for us used to the status quo.

[Mugen]

Bobo gave us some great years and was huge in the championship....lotta love for him.

I'm fine with trading him away but looks like this was a straight salary dump. Honestly, I have no idea what the front office is doing the last couple of days tbh.

Welp....


:bobo

[NASpurs]

Everyone Google Olivier Hanlan! :lol

[Budkin]

I will miss Boris but he wore out his welcome. Just glad he's not going to the Warriors too.

[SupremeGuy]

:bobo

[baseline bum]

Thanks for a great 4.5 years here Boris! I'll never forget the 26 points he stuck on OKC to close them out in their building in Game 6 of the 2014 WCF.

[HarlemHeat37]

Contract year Diaw should be a big help for them, they desperately need playmaking..a team that doesn't even have a legit NBA PG:lol

[Keepin' it real]

No more bitching about the Diaw-West lineup.

Happy, spurstalk?

[ceperez]

Olivier Hanlan ... Canadian guard playing now in Lithuania.... sheesh!

[slick'81]

And of course spurs get shit in return

[Kuestmaster]

Thanks for these years Boris, you were awesome when you wanted to play.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Wow, au revior Bobo - thanks for your play during the drive for five.

:bobo

[TheGreatYacht]

RIP Turd Towers, lost em in less than 10 minutes :lol

Thanks Boris, almost won a FMVP with us. A beast when motivated :tu

[Beaverfuzz]

Thanks :bobo

Good luck in Utah.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Utah was one of the five teams on his list? Probably because of Gobert.

[HarlemHeat37]

One of my favorite Spurs of all-time, tbh..

Lost the 3 bigs in the 2014 team's frontcourt and replaced them with loser Aldridge and soft-ass Gasol:(..had to be done, sadly..

[Robz4000]

So long Bobo, you'll be missed.

:bobo

In other news, :lmao PATFO.

[ceperez]

Diaw was one of the reasons Spurs won 2014.

He just didn't step up last year when he was needed. Maybe he couldn't against bigger Kanter and Adams.

But Pop really soured on him. Not going to work out after that.

[Ocotillo]

Hanlan was in last night's summer league game. Does he move to our SL roster now?

[Raven]

:depressed

[ceperez]

One of my favorite Spurs of all-time, tbh..

Lost the 3 bigs in the 2014 team's frontcourt and replaced them with loser Aldridge and soft-ass Gasol:(..had to be done, sadly..

:bobo

[bklynspursfan]

And of course spurs get shit in return

Uh, you know this was a move to free up space to sign Gasol right?

[Mugen]

So DWest/Diaw/Timmy for Pau Gasol?

Ehhhh, I'd rather they didn't do the Pau signing as a song & dance routine for Kawhi/LMA to make it look like they'll be competitive this season. Might as well just punt the year and go for a home run next offseason.

I honestly am questioning whether they plan to bring Manu back, no Timmy/Boris.....

[baseline bum]

RIP Turd Towers, lost em in less than 10 minutes :lol

Thanks Boris, almost won a FMVP with us. A beast when motivated :tu

Sorry man, Turd Towers were Bonner + Blair. The Diaw + West combo was nowhere close to as bad as they were.

[Mr. Body]

Godspeed Boris. Fuck all y'all haters.

[mexicanjunior]

Hanlan played in the Summer League game last night and looked pretty good. Not a bad prospect considering I was expecting nothing in return...

http://fox13now.com/2016/07/04/spurs-beat-jazz-in-summer-league-debut/

[DBMethos]

Yet Bonner remains...

[timtonymanu]

The true alpha Frenchie on that 2014 run

[dabom]

Someone thought we should have started Dwest. :lmao Chinook

[Mr. Body]

So DWest/Diaw/Timmy for Pau Gasol?

Ehhhh, I'd rather they didn't do the Pau signing as a song & dance routine for Kawhi/LMA to make it look like they'll be competitive this season. Might as well just punt the year and go for a home run next offseason.

I honestly am questioning whether they plan to bring Manu back, no Timmy/Boris.....

Duncan's status has zippo to do with Gasol.

[Robz4000]

So DWest/Diaw/Timmy for Pau Gasol?

Ehhhh, I'd rather they didn't do the Pau signing as a song & dance routine for Kawhi/LMA to make it look like they'll be competitive this season. Might as well just punt the year and go for a home run next offseason.

I honestly am questioning whether they plan to bring Manu back, no Timmy/Boris.....

This tbh.

[kobyz]

So now we can front load Gasol contract i guesse...

[dabom]

Don't worry guys. No one else will call him out. :lol

[Keepin' it real]

And of course spurs get shit in return


Uh, you know this was a move to free up space to sign Gasol right?

No, we were supposed to get Hayward, too. Bad trade.

[r0drig0lac]

No more bitching about the Diaw-West lineup.

Happy, spurstalk?

yes

[Chucho]

And of course spurs get shit in return

Don't be a twit. We upgraded to the guy who carried Kobe to his last two rings and doesn't have bingo wings and can breathe normally after standing up.

[Ron Swanson]

Later, Bobo.

[baseline bum]

So DWest/Diaw/Timmy for Pau Gasol?

Ehhhh, I'd rather they didn't do the Pau signing as a song & dance routine for Kawhi/LMA to make it look like they'll be competitive this season. Might as well just punt the year and go for a home run next offseason.

I honestly am questioning whether they plan to bring Manu back, no Timmy/Boris.....

It's not like Gasol signed a four year deal. If it blows up in his face he'll likely rip his contract up next summer and walk to somewhere like New York that'll pay him more anyways. You gotta look at it more as Diaw + West for Gasol. Tim was retiring anyways and if he wants to come back the Spurs still have the money to do it.

[SPURt]

Like twins out of a vagina! See ya Bobo and West!

I'll miss the best of you and continue the night terrors from the worst of you.

[TheGreatYacht]

So DWest/Diaw/Timmy for Pau Gasol?

Ehhhh, I'd rather they didn't do the Pau signing as a song & dance routine for Kawhi/LMA to make it look like they'll be competitive this season. Might as well just punt the year and go for a home run next offseason.

I honestly am questioning whether they plan to bring Manu back, no Timmy/Boris.....
:lol No.

• West was leaving to GSW regardless
• Duncan was retiring as soon as the KD-GSW news came out
• Diaw was dead weight, a lot. Of. Dead. Weight

[ceperez]

Hanlan was in last night's summer league game. Does he move to our SL roster now?

Yeah, maybe. Seems to be a decent sized guard with a 34" vertical. Well, stashed in Europe.

[Keepin' it real]

yes

:lol

[Arcadian]

One of my favorite non-star players of all time. Cheers

[Spur|n|Austin]

People saying we got nothing back in return :lol this was a classic salary dump "trade" to bring in Gasol.

[slick'81]

Don't be a twit. We upgraded to the guy who carried Kobe to his last two rings and doesn't have bingo wings and can breathe normally after standing up.


Srry i should be more grateful .what are bingo wings

[random21]

FUCK THIS MOVE....

[Robz4000]

Don't be a twit. We upgraded to the guy who carried Kobe to his last two rings and doesn't have bingo wings and can breathe normally after standing up.

That player no longer exists. Spurs just got another TOSB.

[midnightpulp]

It's not like Gasol signed a four year deal. If it blows up in his face he'll likely rip his contract up next summer and walk to somewhere like New York that'll pay him more anyways. You gotta look at it more as Diaw + West for Gasol. Tim was retiring anyways and if he wants to come back the Spurs still have the money to do it.

This. I don't get how anyone can think that getting Gasol while losing West, Diaw, and Duncan was a "lateral move" or downgrade?

It would only be such if pre-February Tim Duncan was returning, and he's obviously not. Other knee went, as I've been saying, or Timmy would've declared his return already.

Diaw is a dice-roll. And also 2 years removed from his 2014 incarnation. Just because it's a contract year, there's no guarantee he'll reach that level again because he's "motivated." And West had the worst net-rating in the OKC series among all Spurs. Also worth mentioning is that Gasol is one of the best passing bigs in the NBA from the post, so we add another playmaker to the SL, something that was desperately needed.

[SASdynasty!]

Thanks for the 2013 Finals Bobo. Sorry we couldn't convert. Thanks for the good years.

[baseline bum]

Godspeed Boris. Fuck all y'all haters.

Yeah man, Boris was one of the great supporting players the Spurs have ever had. I'd put him right up there with Horry, Rose, and no one else when it comes to contributions from role players. I mean the guy completely eviscerated the back to back champion Heat. I'll have nothing but great memories about the time Diaw was a Spur and wish him nothing but good fortune this summer in the Olympic Qualifiers (and hopefully Olympics) and in Utah next year. I hope he gets a hell of an ovation at the AT&T Center the first time he checks in when Utah comes to town.

[Chucho]

That player no longer exists. Spurs just got another TOSB.

There's still some fizz in the bottle, bruh. It's much more preferable to a fat fucking Frenchie.

[Mugen]

Regardless, this move needed to be made. Bobo has coasted since 2014 (understandably so) and Pop was done with waiting for a resurgence.

I just think that the Spurs could have eeked out a 1st rounder for him. He's on a terrific contract and is still a name in this league. I understand that it was to free up space for Pau, but honestly i'd rather they have not signed Pau and packaged Diaw/Timmy's contract for another solid, young player.....

[SAGirl]

I doubt Spurs get anything!

Utah likely will benefit given they need some veteran leadership. Jazz have a lot of youth and talent.
I thought the same. Good acquisition for them. Utah is a potential playoff team if healthy. They added veterans in Diaw and George Hill. Good environment for Diaw too bc of his friend Gobert there and George Hill. He will mentor Utah youngster Trey Lyles very well too.

I am very grateful to Diaw for 2014 and I wish we could have kept him TBH.

I hope he stays coasting in Utah and doesn't mean to kill us when we meet him. The man still has game when he wants to have game. :lol

Farewell Bobo!

:bobo

[kobyz]

Too late of a move, we should have dump him last year and then we could have kept cojo, pop always wrong on those dicisions!

[cjw]

No more bitching about the Diaw-West lineup.

Happy, spurstalk?

First the Turd Towers, then Diaw-West, and what's next? Pop trotting out Kyle and Lalanne as the two bigs?

[turkish spurs fan]

Everyone Google Olivier Hanlan! :lol

watched him in zalgiris last year. nice guy. long way to improve then.

[BillMc]

I wonder if Utah was one of the teams on Boris's list? Gobert there, but what else would attract him?

[SpurPadre]

Sigh...necessary evil, tbh. You'll be missed Bobo. Thanks for helping us get a title and best of luck to him. :bobo

[Seventyniner]

This. I don't get how anyone can think that getting Gasol while losing West, Diaw, and Duncan was a "lateral move" or downgrade?

It would only be such if pre-February Tim Duncan was returning, and he's obviously not. Other knee went, as I've been saying, or Timmy would've declared his return already.

This. Compared to the roster going into last season I can see what this (as yet incomplete) roster looks worse, but with West probably wanting to leave, Diaw going back to coasting, and Duncan finally being caught by Father Time, Gasol is about as good a short-term solution as you'll see.

[BillMc]

I thought the same. Good acquisition for them. Utah is a potential playoff team if healthy. They added veterans in Diaw and George Hill. Good environment for Diaw too bc of his friend Gobert there and George Hill. He will mentor Utah youngster Trey Lyles very well too.

I am very grateful to Diaw for 2014 and I wish we could have kept him TBH.

I hope he stays coasting in Utah and doesn't mean to kill us when we meet him. The man still has game when he wants to have game. :lol

Farewell Bobo!

:bobo

Well said. Nice post. :bobo

[slick'81]

First the Turd Towers, then Diaw-West, and what's next? Pop trotting out Kyle and Lalanne as the two bigs?


Hopefully boban and another big they bring in....unless bonner happens

[lmbebo]

What are the details of the trade? (haven't seen them yet)

[Chinook]

I like Hanlan. It's like getting another first this year. That'd be even better hand Utah gave another second as well.

[midnightpulp]

Oh, and has Duncan "officially" retired?

Duncan off the bench as the backup big would be fantastic, and he might consider one more go now that we got Pau (remember, the rumors started of his retirement before the Pau signing).

Knees might be able to withstand 18-20 min per game.

[slick'81]

Regardless, this move needed to be made. Bobo has coasted since 2014 (understandably so) and Pop was done with waiting for a resurgence.

I just think that the Spurs could have eeked out a 1st rounder for him. He's on a terrific contract and is still a name in this league. I understand that it was to free up space for Pau, but honestly i'd rather they have not signed Pau and packaged Diaw/Timmy's contract for another solid, young player.....

no way spurs get a first when teams knw hes getting dumped and his value bottomed

[Brazil]

It sucks tbh but that was expected

[dabom]

Oh, and has Duncan "officially" retired?

Duncan off the bench as the backup big would be fantastic, and he might consider one more go now that we got Pau (remember, the rumors started of his retirement before the Pau signing).

Knees might be able to withstand 18-20 min per game.

I want Duncan back.

[Kawhitstorm]

Utah was one of the five teams on his list? Probably because of Gobert.

It's actually the Quin Snyder/Dennis Lindsey connection that hooked up PATFO.

[Richie]

Gutted to see Diaw go, we genuinely don't win in 2014 without him. He didn't step up this year so maybe it's for the best.

I hope this means we're gonna see an influx of young talent to fill out the roster. Jean-Charles, Milutinov, Murray and maybe some others.

[GSH]

And of course spurs get shit in return


A pick or rights was all they could hope for. The couldn't take back a player with a salary would have to hit this year's cap. I'm just glad they didn't have to ship something to Utah to make the deal.

[2centsworth]

Boris was a great player and at times the best player on the team. Will always remember his clutch 3 at Dallas and the sick dime he had to Tiago vs the Heat.

FWIW, I think Gasol is one of the all-time most underrated players. Lakers were shit and Kobe wanted to be traded before Pau joined them.

[slick'81]

A pick or rights was all they could hope for. The couldn't take back a player with a salary would have to hit this year's cap. I'm just glad they didn't have to ship something to Utah to make the deal.


I hear ya bro.hopefully duncan stays and this helps the gasol move and brngs manu back

[From Downtown]

One of my favourite Spurs, a great guy and so fun to watch when he was on the court, but it was the right time to move on

[rmt]

Pop putting too much emphasis on losing to OKC. Durant's gone and so will Westbrooke next year - don't need to worry about being outplayed by OKC's big and so no need for Gasol. GSW is where the big problem with be and Diaw is much more valuable against GSW than Gasol - he'll be riding the bench as LMA plays center when they go micro ball.

[-21-]

One of my favorite Spurs of all-time, tbh..

Lost the 3 bigs in the 2014 team's frontcourt and replaced them with loser Aldridge and soft-ass Gasol:(..had to be done, sadly..

Same here. Damn, between this and Tim possibly retiring, I'm pretty bummed right now.

:bobo One last time.

[offset formation]

No more bitching about the Diaw-West lineup.

Happy, spurstalk?

This. Got so sick of that.

[ceperez]

Pop putting too much emphasis on losing to OKC. Durant's gone and so will Westbrooke next year - don't need to worry about being outplayed by OKC's big and so no need for Gasol. GSW is where the big problem with be and Diaw is much more valuable against GSW than Gasol - he'll be riding the bench as LMA plays center when they go micro ball.

I agree with this. OKC isn't a contender. Diaw likely will be just as good as Pau.... however... maybe Duncan is retiring.

[bklynspursfan]

I thought the same. Good acquisition for them. Utah is a potential playoff team if healthy. They added veterans in Diaw and George Hill. Good environment for Diaw too bc of his friend Gobert there and George Hill. He will mentor Utah youngster Trey Lyles very well too.

I am very grateful to Diaw for 2014 and I wish we could have kept him TBH.

I hope he stays coasting in Utah and doesn't mean to kill us when we meet him. The man still has game when he wants to have game. :lol

Farewell Bobo!

:bobo

Idk if he had any relationship with George Hill, that was before his time. But the Gobert connection was what I thought of too. They've got some much needed vets now there with those guys and Joe Johnson. They should definitely make the playoffs at this point

[InTheCrust]

Hanlan is a dead eye shooter... Played against him in high school lol... He can get buckets.

[Kawhitstorm]

I like Hanlan. It's like getting another first this year. That'd be even better hand Utah gave another second as well.

He got worked by Forbes yesterday.:lol

[loveforthegame]

Bobo was that dude in 2014 but coasted since then. I'll always have fond memories for 2014 but dude had to go now.

[timtonymanu]

Maybe Diaw and Georgie can put in good words for us so we land Gobert

[Keepin' it real]

Pop putting too much emphasis on losing to OKC. Durant's gone and so will Westbrooke next year - don't need to worry about being outplayed by OKC's big and so no need for Gasol. GSW is where the big problem with be and Diaw is much more valuable against GSW than Gasol - he'll be riding the bench as LMA plays center when they go micro ball.

Nope, let them go micro ball. Spurs will go big and pound them into submission.

[Richie]

Pop putting too much emphasis on losing to OKC. Durant's gone and so will Westbrooke next year - don't need to worry about being outplayed by OKC's big and so no need for Gasol. GSW is where the big problem with be and Diaw is much more valuable against GSW than Gasol - he'll be riding the bench as LMA plays center when they go micro ball.

Rebounding is the only thing that's going to stop Golden State.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[ceperez]

750435786919522304

:bobo

[BillMc]

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Nice words from Bobo!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I can't say I'm thrilled to lose Diaw.

I would have rather had him stay in game shape and earn the $7M. That contract would have been a bargain had he not suffered from a two-year Finals hangover.

We need that sort of matchup problem to throw at other teams. His impact in 2013 and 2014 was no joke....a big part of why we made it to two straight Finals.

[Vic Petro]

I can't say I'm thrilled to lose Diaw.

I would have rather had him stay in game shape and earn the $7M. That contract would have been a bargain had he not suffered from a two-year Finals hangover.

We need that sort of matchup problem to throw at other teams. His impact in 2013 and 2014 was no joke....a big part of why we made it to two straight Finals.

Absolutely zero guarantee that would happen, which was the issue. Writing was on the wall as this article explains http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Popovich-closer-to-saying-bye-to-Bobo-7513875.php

[DeRozan m8]

Dang no Diaw, no West, likely no Duncan.



This is f*cking great tbh

All 3 held us back last season

[RD2191]

Good.

[Mugen]

The Golden God + Bobo gone with Timmy likely retiring soon...

Man, that 2014 squad was special. Great memories tbh...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Absolutely zero guarantee that would happen, which was the issue. Writing was on the wall as this article explains http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Popovich-closer-to-saying-bye-to-Bobo-7513875.php

Exactly. He already proved that wouldn't happen.

[bic50]

Thanks boris. :bobo

[timtonymanu]

The Golden God + Bobo gone with Timmy likely retiring soon...

Man, that 2014 squad was special. Great memories tbh...

This. only down to Kawhi, Danny, Porky, and Patty now. :depressed

[cd98]

He will be missed, even if he showed up at camp this year out of shape. He's a glue guy. That can be important too.

[bigfan]

He did a great job for the Spurs, wish him the best, adios. Next!

[spurtech09]

Thank you Diaw for all the things you did for the Spurs....God Bless

Now who replaces Diaw?

[Mugen]

This. only down to Kawhi, Danny, Porky, and Patty now. :depressed

Damn.

[spurtech09]

Spurs bench looks weak right about now :(

[Spurs Brazil]

Thanks Bobo, you were great :bobo

[024]

Rather keep Diaw and not sign Gasol so the Spurs preserve flexibility next year to sign a good FA. I didn't think Diaw was that useless and he had his moments. For $7 million, that's not bad for a back up PF and his contract is very flexible next season. He played well against the Warriors that one game too :lol

[tmtcsc]

Diaw was one of the reasons Spurs won 2014.

He just didn't step up last year when he was needed. Maybe he couldn't against bigger Kanter and Adams.

But Pop really soured on him. Not going to work out after that.

He didn't do shit the last 2 years. He got his Ring and got fat & happy. But 2014 will always be appreciated and remembered. That version of Diaw was awesome!!

[tmtcsc]

This. only down to Kawhi, Danny, Porky, and Patty now. :depressed

Don't forget the Red Mamba....even though you are trying. He's still looms even though he hasn't been resigned.

[james evans]

No more bitching about the Diaw-West lineup.

Happy, spurstalk?
Yes. Maybe popovich will start to play our guys in their 20s for more minutes and stop treating them like they are in their late 30s.

[BillMc]

This. only down to Kawhi, Danny, Porky, and Patty now. :depressed

And Bonner

[DPG21920]

Rather keep Diaw and not sign Gasol so the Spurs preserve flexibility next year to sign a good FA. I didn't think Diaw was that useless and he had his moments. For $7 million, that's not bad for a back up PF and his contract is very flexible next season. He played well against the Warriors that one game too :lol

Spurs should be fine next year - that is the great part of this deal being short term 1+1 deal. It's Pau's option next year, however, if he plays awful and it's not a good fit, he opts out. If he plays amazing and wants more money, he opts out. Only way it's an issue seemingly is if Pau gets injured badly and doesn't feel he can get a better deal.

Plus with everyone next year coming off the books, even having Pau at 15M gives the Spurs likely 28-30M in cap space (if they renounce the cap holds for players who's contracts are up).

Next year if Pau stays, SA would have:

LMA: 21.5M
Kawhi: 18.8M
Pau: 15M
TP: 15M
DG: 10M
Kyle: 2M

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82M in salaries with a projected cap of 107-110M.

Obviously this changes with whom SA signs this year and for how long, but that is the general math as we know it today.

[urunobili]

Bobo... you will be missed... :depressed

[Kikoluna]

Spurs bench looks weak right about now :(
Yeah, there is NO bench , the only decent one is patty. After That Its rgv Vipers Material

[Robz4000]

Spurs should be fine next year - that is the great part of this deal being short term 1+1 deal. It's Pau's option next year, however, if he plays awful and it's not a good fit, he opts out. If he plays amazing and wants more money, he opts out. Only way it's an issue seemingly is if Pau gets injured badly and doesn't feel he can get a better deal.

Plus with everyone next year coming off the books, even having Pau at 15M gives the Spurs likely 28-30M in cap space (if they renounce the cap holds for players who's contracts are up).

Next year if Pau stays, SA would have:

LMA: 21.5M
Kawhi: 18.8M
Pau: 15M
TP: 15M
DG: 10M
Kyle: 2M

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82M in salaries with a projected cap of 107-110M.

Obviously this changes with whom SA signs this year and for how long, but that is the general math as we know it today.

FUCK, I thought Porker's contract was up after next season.

[cd021]

I'm not happy with this roster as of now No Diaw, No West, likely no Duncan,

next season is going to be a rough.

[Dex]

KD to Golden State and the Spurs losing Bobo and most likely Timmy?

This is the darkest timeline.

[spurraider21]

Short but awesome tenure as a spur, but it was time

:bobo

[cd98]

Lots of opportunities for the young guys, tho. But definitely will be growing pains.

[Dex]

I'm not happy with this roster as of now No Diaw, No West, likely no Duncan,

next season is going to be a rough.

End of an era, tbh.

I'm still excited to see what Pau brings, but the PATFO has some work to do because this team is starting to look like it's going to be vastly different from the one that won 67-games.

[DPG21920]

FUCK, I thought Porker's contract was up after next season.

:lol Nope. But even then, let's assume Pau fits great and opts in (I think that is unlikely, meaning if he fits well, he opts out for more money):

SA has their SL (assuming TP isn't traded or stretched): TP/DG/Kawhi/LMA/Pau. We will see how that SL does this year and it has mega potential for the next 1-3 years.

Maybe Murray shows up and TP moves to the bench, who knows. But SA has a bench of Kyle/Murray next year and possibly around 25-29M in cap space.

If the SL looks fantastic and Pau opts in, then SA can spend that money on their bench. Being able to sign two 12-15M players on their bench can dramatically improve the bench/fill holes while having an awesome SL still.

So SA, IMO, is in good shape no matter what.

Best case is SA loves this SL this year of TP/DG/Kawhi/LMA/Gasol and that stays the same with set salaries.

They add some youth this year to fill out the bench and 1 or 2 show very well. That eats into the cap for next year with whomever they sign but having a great SL plus:

Murray/Kyle/Youth Guy this year (LJC maybe)/Youth Guy this year (Bertans maybe) + 12-15M player + 12-15M player is pretty awesome.

[DPG21920]

End of an era, tbh.

I'm still excited to see what Pau brings, but the PATFO has some work to do because this team is starting to look like it's going to be vastly different from the one that won 67-games.

The bench is. The SL is exactly the same except LMA more comfortable, an improvement over Tim talent wise in Pau (at this stage of their careers) & Kawhi with more responsibility.

The bench is shaky, no doubt, but Patty/Kyle/Simmmons are there and at least not totally raw with experience. Let's see who else SA can get. The bench is what is changing, the SL is 80% the same and the 1 guy that is different is more talented.

[HarlemHeat37]

2014 Thunder game 6 is probably my favorite Spurs game of all-time, and Diaw was arguably the best player on the floor that night..such an entertaining player to watch, too, so effortless and smooth
.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[TD 21]

I'm not happy with this roster as of now No Diaw, No West, likely no Duncan,

next season is going to be a rough.

Yeah, although this was probably the best they could do.

Still, being top heavy, when 3 of your top 6 are old and will be coming off of playing in the Olympics, is going to be an issue.

In this market, it's damn near impossible to find half decent players for the minimum, with the exception of the Warriors and maybe Cavs. The Spurs can't even sell contention anymore.

I know people don't want to hear this, but they may end up with a veteran or two like a Scola, who's basically just hanging on at this point and would probably love to come. The entire bench outside of Ginobili and Mills, can't be comprised of unproven, middling youth.


Diaw was one of my favorites too, but I'd have prioritized Gasol over him too. Besides, he was an awkward fit with Anderson, who's probably guaranteed to play a bigger role next season.

[T Park]

Regardless, this move needed to be made. Bobo has coasted since 2014 (understandably so) and Pop was done with waiting for a resurgence.

I just think that the Spurs could have eeked out a 1st rounder for him. He's on a terrific contract and is still a name in this league. I understand that it was to free up space for Pau, but honestly i'd rather they have not signed Pau and packaged Diaw/Timmy's contract for another solid, young player.....



Like?

[BatManu20]

See ya Bobo. One one my favorite Spurs in recent memory :depressed

[Ditty]

Lol the last time we went into the season with an "underwhelming roster" we won the championship :lol

PATFO want basketball players, not players with "if's". I loved Diaw but it was time to go.

Spurs can't do anything about the Duncan situation. They did their best getting the best free agent available that is closest to Duncan for a very good price

IMO I believe the Spurs didn't even reach out to West who I liked last season. As some have mentioned it's not his fault Pop played him at Center the whole season. He is a POS now though and hope doesn't win shit in Oakland :lol

[Mikeanaro]

Boris was good in our 2014 championship, got what he wanted and became lazy, I dont hate him but Im happy to see him go, I prefer to keep adding new pieces than struggle with lazy people, now please Red Rocket get the fuck out of SA.

[Mnky]

Enjoyed the good runs he out together. Definitely past his use. After the ring seems like he gradually lost interest in taking it serious again.

This move also opens up Kyle to take over the point forward position in small ball. He put on weight, won't be surprised to see him running the 4 for small ball more often.

[ace3g]

One half of Operation Post Up is now gone... You will be missed Diaw 2.0 :bobo

[024]

Spurs should be fine next year - that is the great part of this deal being short term 1+1 deal. It's Pau's option next year, however, if he plays awful and it's not a good fit, he opts out. If he plays amazing and wants more money, he opts out. Only way it's an issue seemingly is if Pau gets injured badly and doesn't feel he can get a better deal.

Plus with everyone next year coming off the books, even having Pau at 15M gives the Spurs likely 28-30M in cap space (if they renounce the cap holds for players who's contracts are up).

Next year if Pau stays, SA would have:

LMA: 21.5M
Kawhi: 18.8M
Pau: 15M
TP: 15M
DG: 10M
Kyle: 2M

------------------
82M in salaries with a projected cap of 107-110M.

Obviously this changes with whom SA signs this year and for how long, but that is the general math as we know it today.
That's true. I also assumed the Spurs would sign other role players as well as the team is in desperate need for a back up wing and PF and those would have filled some cap space. I'm going to also assume Murray will be signed to a contract. Spurs should have some room to try for a max player. And I guess Pau's contract would be dump-able although I don't see the Spurs operating that way.

At least the Spurs should be set up for 2018 free agency when both Pau and Parker's contract comes off the books.

[HI-FI]

One of my favorite Spurs and players but his reoccurring laziness was too much. Still, when Bobo was focused he was something else.
Best of luck.

[ElNono]

I would wish him good luck, but he's going to need more than that with det core...

Thanks for the good times though.

[Russ]

Has anyone mentioned this may mean Tim is coming back?

(Obviously, they have to lose a salary to sign Gasol -- could it be Diaw rather than Tim?)

[tim_duncan_fan]

For the record, I never hated Bobo.

[Obstructed_View]

Au revoir, mon negro. Thanks for the :lobt:. Don't get fat.

[ceperez]

End of an era, tbh.

I'm still excited to see what Pau brings, but the PATFO has some work to do because this team is starting to look like it's going to be vastly different from the one that won 67-games.

Huh? It looks practically the same with the exception that Pau replaces Duncan.

The second unit? Still got Manu, Mills, Anderson, Simmons and likely Boban. Yeah, maybe we'll miss West and Diaw but Boban and Simmons did well last year.

[SAGirl]

I thought this photo I found was funny and maybe nice to share considering Boris legacy lives on.
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/xbNToKuS-6t0MQdeRtm6rQvo-fI=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3434796/GBH.0.jpg

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

Starting the transistion and being able to say they still will be a two or three seed. Rough times I tell ya....

[skulls138]

Has anyone mentioned this may mean Tim is coming back?

(Obviously, they have to lose a salary to sign Gasol -- could it be Diaw rather than Tim?)Right? Have Manu and Timmy come off the bench. Fucking do it!!! Im not ready for Duncan to retire!!!

[DAF86]

Don't like this move at all.

[sasaint]

Huh? It looks practically the same with the exception that Pau replaces Duncan.

The second unit? Still got Manu, Mills, Anderson, Simmons and likely Boban. Yeah, maybe we'll miss West and Diaw but Boban and Simmons did well last year.

I have not heard anything about Manu's returning. In fact all the speculation I see is that he is gone.

[sammy]

I hate that they traded Boris for nothing! WTH are they thinking! We have no bench! They better not keep Bonner! :bang

[tbdog]

I will miss Diaw. But it was his doing to force this deal. He even had a money incentive to stay in shape.

[Cklbmk]

<3 Diaw. I might root for the Jazz this offseason

[beirmeistr]

Stay thirsty, my friend.

[99 Problems]

So very skilled. A really unique skill set so seldom seen in players his size. Lucky to have seen it. Thanks Bobo for the memories. Wishing you the absolute best.

:bobo

[keepinitwill]

Sad to see Boris go, but it had to be done. We will miss his versatility, but the SFO knows what they are doing. There are still a lot of quality FAs out there to round out our roster once this spending frenzy is over. Hopefull we can find a way to keep Boban to backup PAU and somebody like a Willie Reed would be a nice backup for LA.

[spursparker9]

Enrique should be packaged together tbh

[keepinitwill]

It had to happen sooner or later. I am excited for players like Jonathan Simmons and our pick Murray.

[skulls138]

Diaws a magician with the b-ball. Thanks for the memories and #5.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Oh and Hanlan is trash, pls enjoy. Glad we're getting NBA players in return for our scraps.

Enjoy Diaw. Gobert will adopt his lifestyle and work ethic. :)

[FkLA]

:pctoss

With the ridiculous contracts being given out, who the fuck can we get for the $7-8 mill that Boris was making that has the upside he has? I was actually glad West signed with GS bc it would mean more Bobo but now this BS happens. Boris will always be my nigga. I saw something in his curvaceous body when all you faggots were salivating over David Lee. :cry

[Slippy]

Understand it needed to be done but spurs will miss Boris. No matter what the situation - he added another dimension to the team that was always needed.

Hope spurs have another key big in mind. Need more rebounders & versatility .

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmoXeOBWAAAyEXV.jpg:large

[timtonymanu]

:pctoss

With the ridiculous contracts being given out, who the fuck can we get for the $7-8 mill that Boris was making that has the upside he has? I was actually glad West signed with GS bc it would mean more Bobo but now this BS happens. Boris will always be my nigga. I saw something in his curvaceous body when all you faggots were salivating over David Lee. :cry

Spurs lose Golden God and Diaw 2.0 back to back years because of the 15 million dollar player at PG.

[Atl Spur]

It's comical how we have turned into that vile fan base that enough is never enough?!?!? We had to let Boris go to get Pau......period! I for one am happy we have Pau now and can move on towards the future. Please take time to look at Pau's work this past year compared to any of our bigs not named LMA....... We will be just fine moving forward.

[tonight...you]

It's comical how we have turned into that vile fan base that enough is never enough?!?!? We had to let Boris go to get Pau......period! I for one am happy we have Pau now and can move on towards the future. Please take time to look at Pau's work this past year compared to any of our bigs not named LMA....... We will be just fine moving forward.
I personally love the Pau signing. Almost Duncan's D with almost thrice Duncan's O (by the end of 16 for Timmy). Plus he's a great passer that should assimilate quickly.

[TheCerebral1]

Time for Thomas Robinson?

[Atl Spur]

I definitely agree with your assessment.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Au revoir, Boris! :toast

Sad to see him go. Not sure what happened to him last year, but it certainly wasn't positive.

Had a few awesome years here - especially 2014 when he was a beast in the post - and I'm really glad he got a ring here. He was one of my favourite non-Spurs from the Suns days, now he's one of my favourite ex-Spur role players.

Should fit well in Utah.

PS Now we really need SloMo to blossom and take over the bench point forward role. *gulp* *fingers crossed*

[baseline bum]

:pctoss

With the ridiculous contracts being given out, who the fuck can we get for the $7-8 mill that Boris was making that has the upside he has? I was actually glad West signed with GS bc it would mean more Bobo but now this BS happens. Boris will always be my nigga. I saw something in his curvaceous body when all you faggots were salivating over David Lee. :cry

The Spurs needed to do this to pay Manu.

[timtonymanu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmpdHrKUQPw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCbMmg1hz8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQgWPcg6Ds

Thank you, Bobo :(

[YGWHI]

:bobo

Thanks Bobo! You were so gifted, so talented, we'll miss your passing and your many skills to take advantage of mismatches in the post. But it's time to move on in a different direction.

[RD2191]

This was all on Bobo imo. He did this to himself.

[dabom]

This was all on Bobo imo. He did this to himself.

[YGWHI]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNOit3_G00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bELqWvHqegY

Now, we don't have any big who can shoot from behind the arc and spread the floor.

[SuperCam]

i'll never forgive this fat fuck for pigging it up in charlotte before taking the sport seriously again after we waived him

[Duncan2177]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQNOit3_G00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bELqWvHqegY

Now, we don't have any big who can shoot from behind the arc and spread the floor.

:pop: We have Bonner.

[YGWHI]

:pop: We have Bonner.

:depressed

[playbonner15]

More playing time for BonBon!!!!

[tmtcsc]

Pau Gasol made 24 3's last year. 1 less than Boris.

[Capt Bringdown]

The enigma known as Diaw. You never knew what you were going to get from him last year.
Good riddance.

[SAGirl]

Slowmo Anderson of course. Will be better than this latter version of Boris guaranteed.

[Sean Cagney]

Bobo gave us some great years and was huge in the championship....lotta love for him.




:boboDAMN right, he was great. I will not forget what he gave 12-14 to the Spurs, he was great during the two finals runs they had. Bobo got fat and lazy after that but paid off with the way he played those two years plus, he was clutch and HUGE part of the beautiful game.
Slowmo Anderson of course. Will be better than this latter version of Boris guaranteed.

That is not saying much or setting the ceiling high.

[testies]

another effect of the West cancer

[kobyz]

This fucker stole money from us and costs us cojo!!!

[objective]

Jazz radio pbp David Locke's newest Jazz podcast is about 20 minutes of gloating over the Jazz taking advantage of the Spurs moment of weakness and swiping Diaw for next to nothing. Just over-the-moon gushing about the greatness of Dennis Lindsay, so incredibly satiated.

Very grating.

[MVPCues]

Pau Gasol made 24 3's last year. 1 less than Boris.

That's pretty telling.

[Brazil]

Good riddance.

without him you are short one but yeah good riddance... too bad you are not traded with him to Jazz fans

[RD2191]

without him you are short one but yeah good riddance... too bad you are not traded with him to Jazz fans

Lol. Gtfo. He was a role player, just like Parker.

[SpursforSix]

Lol. Gtfo. He was a role player, just like Parker.

Dem role players can sink ya.

[CaptainLate]

So DWest/Diaw/Timmy for Pau Gasol? Ehhhh, I'd rather they didn't do the Pau signing as a song & dance routine for Kawhi/LMA to make it look like they'll be competitive this season. Might as well just punt the year and go for a home run next offseason.

And what VIABLE home runs next year are there?

[Keepin' it real]

Slowmo Anderson of course. Will be better than this latter version of Boris guaranteed.


That is not saying much or setting the ceiling high.

If that is truly your contention, then answer me this: Why all the tears :cry from Spurstalk?

[bklynspursfan]

DAMN right, he was great. I will not forget what he gave 12-14 to the Spurs, he was great during the two finals runs they had. Bobo got fat and lazy after that but paid off with the way he played those two years plus, he was clutch and HUGE part of the beautiful game.

That is not saying much or setting the ceiling high.

Seriously lol.. But, the issue with Diaw was that dude could be great for us. He could do so many things, and I don't know if Anderson will be able to replicate Diaw 2.0 at all. So we're missing out on some versatility now from that position.

I hope Anderson proves me wrong of course. I know he's doing well this summer league, but I know he did well last year. Gotta see it against elite competition first

[Brazil]

Lol. Gtfo. He was a role player, just like Parker.

Lol. Gtfo. Without him you are short one

[cd021]

2014 Thunder game 6 is probably my favorite Spurs game of all-time, and Diaw was arguably the best player on the floor that night..such an entertaining player to watch, too, so effortless and smooth . Loved that game. He was dominant and OKC wasn't sure how to guard him because he hit 3 3's when he was spotting up against Ibaka and bullying guards and KD when they went small he was in the post backing them down. His 3 at the end of game 5 saved our season vs. Dallas thats also a favorite memory of mine.

[Sean Cagney]

If that is truly your contention, then answer me this: Why all the tears :cry from Spurstalk?

Because they are attached to 2014 Borris and so on in their memories... Hard to let go.

[SAGirl]

Seriously lol.. But, the issue with Diaw was that dude could be great for us. He could do so many things, and I don't know if Anderson will be able to replicate Diaw 2.0 at all. So we're missing out on some versatility now from that position.

I hope Anderson proves me wrong of course. I know he's doing well this summer league, but I know he did well last year. Gotta see it against elite competition first

Anderson is not going to be Diaw 2.0, he's definitely not that good of a post player. Post player Diaw is the best Diaw, and Anderson is not that. Although we are likely to see Anderson in the post at times bc he has to develop that game... it just won't be as pretty, or as skillful, but he has to develop it so work in progress it is.

Where Anderson looks to be better though is in perimeter play. He is currently looking like an improved 3 point shooter whereas current Diaw passed up perimeter shots all the time and hadn't made a 3 in months. Kyle is a better jumpshooter and probably better with the basketball, and a very unselfish player, still a good playmaker and you are unlikely to see the ball stick with him either. So long as we keep in mind Kyle is a young player with not that much of experience playing this spot we can be pleasantly surprised. He really might turn out to have a better season that the version of Diaw that is likely to show up in 2016-17.

[ceperez]

Anderson is not going to be Diaw 2.0, he's definitely not that good of a post player. Post player Diaw is the best Diaw, and Anderson is not that. Although we are likely to see Anderson in the post at times bc he has to develop that game... it just won't be as pretty, or as skillful, but he has to develop it so work in progress it is.

Where Anderson looks to be better though is in perimeter play. He is currently looking like an improved 3 point shooter whereas current Diaw passed up perimeter shots all the time and hadn't made a 3 in months. Kyle is a better jumpshooter and probably better with the basketball, and a very unselfish player, still a good playmaker and you are unlikely to see the ball stick with him either. So long as we keep in mind Kyle is a young player with not that much of experience playing this spot we can be pleasantly surprised. He really might turn out to have a better season that the version of Diaw that is likely to show up in 2016-17.

Diaw's biggest flaw was that he passed up 3s.

[BillMc]

Diaw was one of my favorites. Those 2012-14 Spurs were all damn good, and he was a big part of it then. :bobo He peaked in Game 6 against OKC then and then in the Finals. Helped bring us a ring. For that I'll always be a Bobo fan.

Last two years not so good, but that happens. If Boris had a motor and was motivated all the time he'd be a HOFer. He is who he is. Best to him.

[cjw]

This fucker stole money from us and costs us cojo!!!

So you really wanted to go into last year with just Duncan, Aldridge and Bonner under contract at C/PF (remember that the West signing was after LMA's ... as was Boban's if I remember correctly)?

CoJo was the third PG after Patty resigned and was going to be expensive to keep. Yes, he had a good year in Toronto and would be nice to have now, but hindsight is always 20/20.

[look_at_g_shred]

Thanks for everything Bobo :bobo

[RD2191]

Lol. Gtfo. Without him you are short one
Lol. No. Only a french idiot would believe that.

[SAGirl]

Diaw was one of my favorites. Those 2012-14 Spurs were all damn good, and he was a big part of it then. :bobo He peaked in Game 6 against OKC then and then in the Finals. Helped bring us a ring. For that I'll always be a Bobo fan.

Last two years not so good, but that happens. If Boris had a motor and was motivated all the time he'd be a HOFer. He is who he is. Best to him.
He really was that skillful IMO. If he had the consistency of his best moments/years throughout all of his career yea. It is said that what actually makes the HoF players is how they show up night after night in relentless fashion and how consistent they are. Boris wasn't that.

[gambit1990]

i wonder if his weight is gonna balloon.

[BillMc]

He really was that skillful IMO. If he had the consistency of his best moments/years throughout all of his career yea. It is said that what actually makes the HoF players is how they show up night after night in relentless fashion and how consistent they are. Boris wasn't that.

Truth.

[kobyz]

So you really wanted to go into last year with just Duncan, Aldridge and Bonner under contract at C/PF (remember that the West signing was after LMA's ... as was Boban's if I remember correctly)?

CoJo was the third PG after Patty resigned and was going to be expensive to keep. Yes, he had a good year in Toronto and would be nice to have now, but hindsight is always 20/20.

Diaw was already one year in retirement with the way he was playing that season, they should absoluty trade him last year and go from there... Pop never know who to keep and who to let go, he is always wrong or late in those disicions.

[will_spurs]

I wish PATFO has salary dumped somebody else (some Canadian guy comes to mind). Boris can still play and it's a shame we got nothing in return, not even a draft pick. Sad.

[cjw]

I wish PATFO has salary dumped somebody else (some Canadian guy comes to mind). Boris can still play and it's a shame we got nothing in return, not even a draft pick. Sad.

They got a guy who was picked early in the second round a year ago back in return.

Also, there are no Canadians on the Spurs roster as far as i know.

[Chinook]

Also, there are no Canadians on the Spurs roster as far as i know.

Closest is Hanlan.

[Brazil]

Lol. No. Only a french idiot would believe that.

ya because we win dat game 6 against okc without him mexican idiot

[DeRozan m8]

Where Anderson looks to be better though is in perimeter play. He is currently looking like an improved 3 point shooter whereas current Diaw passed up perimeter shots all the time and hadn't made a 3 in months. Kyle is a better jumpshooter and probably better with the basketball, and a very unselfish player

You just have to be Kyle

[spurspokesman]

Thanks for all the good years bobo. Glad he won a chip with our spurs

[RD2191]

ya because we win dat game 6 against okc without him mexican idiot

Lmfao. French fans are such sensitive delusional idiots. Yeah, we'd be one ring short without a fat frenchman. Crofl. What an idiotic statement. He's a ROLE player, not a star. He's not Timmy, Manu or even Parker. Gtfo with that weak shit.

[Brazil]

Lmfao. French fans are such sensitive delusional idiots. Yeah, we'd be one ring short without a fat frenchman. Crofl. What an idiotic statement. He's a ROLE player, not a star. He's not Timmy, Manu or even Parker. Gtfo with that weak shit.

watch the game mexican trash... you don't pass OKC without him, like it or not... it is what it is

Horry was also a role player, a bunch of role players have been key for a team to win a ring, dirty motherfucker

[Chris]

750435786919522304

*sniff

[808]

http://i.imgur.com/ORcAulb.jpg

Nah nah nah

[Chinook]

The Spurs traded their 2022 second-rounder to make this happen. I hope they have plans for Hanlan, then. I hate the idea of losing picks that far in advance.

[spurraider21]

The Spurs traded their 2022 second-rounder to make this happen. I hope they have plans for Hanlan, then. I hate the idea of losing picks that far in advance.
The 2012 second rounder is a 13 year old kid who will be fortunate to last 2 years in the d-league

[sammy]

750435786919522304

*sniff

I'm going to miss Boris Diaw! One of my favorites! We don't beat GSW without him! They had no answer for him, such a shame! Manu and Mills are losing their crew! Splitter and Boris gone!

[kobyz]

He disrespect all of the fans with his super unprofessionalism, of course spurs fans are the most soft in the world so they let it go...

[look_at_g_shred]

You just have to be Kyle
:lmao

[NASpurs]

751469025641701376

[Chinook]

751469025641701376

RealGM has the Spurs giving the pick. They are actually pretty reliable, but if it's the other way, I actually like the trade a lot better than before.

[raybies]

Yah if we got Hanlan and a future second then that's pretty good considering it was a salary cap move.

[loveforthegame]

Official release.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/san-antonio-trades-boris-diaw-utah


The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have traded forward Boris Diaw and a future second round draft pick to the Utah Jazz in exchange for the rights to guard Olivier Hanlan.

[Sean Cagney]

I'm going to miss Boris Diaw! One of my favorites! We don't beat GSW without him! They had no answer for him, such a shame! Manu and Mills are losing their crew! Splitter and Boris gone!

I will miss THAT Boris you mentioned above from 13, the 2014 one too :( He was really big in several series for the Spurs and a walking mismatch.

[-21-]

You just have to be Kyle

SAGirl is Kyle's mother tbh.

[SAGirl]

The Spurs traded their 2022 second-rounder to make this happen. I hope they have plans for Hanlan, then. I hate the idea of losing picks that far in advance.
They must have liked something from Hanlan then. I didn't know they had to give up Diaw + 2nd rounder to make the trade happen.

[SAGirl]

SAGirl is Kyle's mother tbh.
:lol I am not that old :downspin:

[Chinook]

They must have liked something from Hanlan then. I didn't know they had to give up Diaw + 2nd rounder to make the trade happen.

I wonder what (if any) other deals the Spurs had offered for Boris. I'd argue that they paid to move him. Harlan is a decent prospect, but he was going to be cut if he forced his way into camp. The same thing goes for him in SA. In fact, he didn't even seem to make the SL roster for Vegas. Maybe that means he's agreed to stay overseas. That would be a good thing for the team. But yeah, giving up a pick for a time after LMA and Green will possilby be retired and Kawhi may have left the team is interesting.

[Chinook]

:lol I am not that old :downspin:

I dunno. Anderson does have a baby face still

[-21-]

:lol I am not that old :downspin:

:lol Sorry. Kyle's sister then.

Seriously though, watching him in SL has me optimistic, I am rooting for him. The team needs the young guns to take a massive step forward if we want a chance at beating the Warriors.

[DPG21920]

I wonder what (if any) other deals the Spurs had offered for Boris. I'd argue that they paid to move him. Harlan is a decent prospect, but he was going to be cut if he forced his way into camp. The same thing goes for him in SA. In fact, he didn't even seem to make the SL roster for Vegas. Maybe that means he's agreed to stay overseas. That would be a good thing for the team. But yeah, giving up a pick for a time after LMA and Green will possilby be retired and Kawhi may have left the team is interesting.

Keep in mind that most reports had SA trying to accommodate Boris by dealing with teams he preferred. If that is the case, even if SA had a little better deal (keeping their pick) they viewed giving up a future second as a small fee to do right by their player.

Plus, you can always acquire picks in any draft if you want so I feel they think they can easily recoup that if need be and it was a fair price to do right by Bobo.

[objective]

So they did have to pay to dump him for Gasol.

Unfortunate.

[beirmeistr]

I will miss Diaw. Sure, he needed imspiration to play but those outstanding passes and those acrobatic moves under the basket were extremely skillful. To the many French fans in this forum, I can imagine your sadness. The Argentine fans in this forum will be even sadder when Manu is no longer with the Spurs (I am not from Argentina, I'm from Texas).
I think Boris will take it in stride and keep on enjoying life.

[DeRozan m8]

Boris was over the hill for the Spurs.

So glad I don't have to watch him pass up another open 3.

Though we do have to watch Kyle do it....

Boris got lazy and uninspired...dont want that on the team.

[SAGirl]

I dunno. Anderson does have a baby face still
:lol I agree, I think that is why he grows facial hair. His rookie season he looked like a baby.

[Emperor]

Kyle has so much confidence during summer league but would like to see that consistently during the regular season.

[cd021]

Yeah, although this was probably the best they could do.

Still, being top heavy, when 3 of your top 6 are old and will be coming off of playing in the Olympics, is going to be an issue.

In this market, it's damn near impossible to find half decent players for the minimum, with the exception of the Warriors and maybe Cavs. The Spurs can't even sell contention anymore.

I know people don't want to hear this, but they may end up with a veteran or two like a Scola, who's basically just hanging on at this point and would probably love to come. The entire bench outside of Ginobili and Mills, can't be comprised of unproven, middling youth.


Diaw was one of my favorites too, but I'd have prioritized Gasol over him too. Besides, he was an awkward fit with Anderson, who's probably guaranteed to play a bigger role next season.

I think the starting lineup may be the most offensively talented Spurs SL in some time. Spurs have not had this level of spacing in the front court in the Pop era.

I was looking over Gasol's stats; over the past two seasons has shot 47.8 % and 45.2 % on mid range jumpers from 16-23 feet, while taking 1/4 and 1/3 of all his shots from there, that is insane. He is also a great defensive rebounder, passer and FT shooter.

LMA and West played well together last season, I would expect LMA and Gasol to work just as well. LMA should have plenty of room to operate with Gasol able to shoot like he can.

The front court depth could be an issue. Anderson, Bertans, LJC, Dedmon, and potentially Milutinov/ LaLanne/ or another cheap big is pretty underwhelming as of now. I expect/hope Pop to play small ball more next season with LMA and Kawhi logging about 5 minutes at Center and PF in the closing lineups

I thing Leonard and Aldridge will have to play more; Leonard around 33 mpg, and Aldridge 32 mpg. I could see both averaging 20 ppg, which would be the first time in the Pop era. Parker had a much better season overall than the two years before it. I am hoping that he can at least play up to last seasons levels, but I think both PG and SG could be an issue at times next year.

I am curious to see if Anderson slides into the backup PF spot how he performs there. I would hope that he shows improvement as a 3pt shooter, at least from the corners, to maximize spacing. He can pull up off the dribble for mid range jumpers. I also like the idea of him grabbing the defensive rebound and pushing the ball up the floor with shooters shooters surrounding him and Dedmon running hard to the basket.

Bertans, I assume, would be backup 3 to go along with Mills, Manu, Anderson, and Dedmon. I have only seen brief highlights of his game but he seems to be of the Belinelli mold but five inches taller with a high release.

The Spurs need as much spacing as it can get; the Spurs were second in 3pt % shooting last year but took very few of them. A bounce back season from Green, Leonards improvement as a shooter, and Bertans shooting ability along with Mills and Manu will help boost the Spurs 3pt shooting.

I am still unsure of how good the Spurs will be next season, they are definitely worse but the West, besides GSW, isn't so much better. I could see them winning 55-60 games and finishing second. I am not worried about the Clippers or Memphis being much of a threat in the west. So hopefully the Spurs can make it to the WCF but I think that it is still a transition year with so many young players developing.

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I think the starting lineup may be the most offensively talented Spurs SL in some time. Spurs have not had this level of spacing in the front court in the Pop era.

I was looking over Gasol's stats; over the past two seasons has shot 47.8 % and 45.2 % on mid range jumpers from 16-23 feet, while taking 1/4 and 1/3 of all his shots from there, that is insane. He is also a great defensive rebounder, passer and FT shooter.

LMA and West played well together last season, I would expect LMA and Gasol to work just as well. LMA should have plenty of room to operate with Gasol able to shoot like he can.

The front court depth could be an issue. Anderson, Bertans, LJC, Dedmon, and potentially Milutinov/ LaLanne/ or another cheap big is pretty underwhelming as of now. I expect/hope Pop to play small ball more next season with LMA and Kawhi logging about 5 minutes at Center and PF in the closing lineups

I thing Leonard and Aldridge will have to play more; Leonard around 33 mpg, and Aldridge 32 mpg. I could see both averaging 20 ppg, which would be the first time in the Pop era. Parker had a much better season overall than the two years before it. I am hoping that he can at least play up to last seasons levels, but I think both PG and SG could be an issue at times next year.

I am curious to see if Anderson slides into the backup PF spot how he performs there. I would hope that he shows improvement as a 3pt shooter, at least from the corners, to maximize spacing. He can pull up off the dribble for mid range jumpers. I also like the idea of him grabbing the defensive rebound and pushing the ball up the floor with shooters shooters surrounding him and Dedmon running hard to the basket.

Bertans, I assume, would be backup 3 to go along with Mills, Manu, Anderson, and Dedmon. I have only seen brief highlights of his game but he seems to be of the Belinelli mold but five inches taller with a high release.

The Spurs need as much spacing as it can get; the Spurs were second in 3pt % shooting last year but took very few of them. A bounce back season from Green, Leonards improvement as a shooter, and Bertans shooting ability along with Mills and Manu will help boost the Spurs 3pt shooting.

I am still unsure of how good the Spurs will be next season, they are definitely worse but the West, besides GSW, isn't so much better. I could see them winning 55-60 games and finishing second. I am not worried about the Clippers or Memphis being much of a threat in the west. So hopefully the Spurs can make it to the WCF but I think that it is still a transition year with so many young players developing.

It has a chance to be, but it depends on a variety of factors. Do Parker and/or Gasol further decline? Does Green regain his stroke? Is there superior chemistry from having had a season to play with Aldridge? Does Leonard improve incrementally?

They're not signing Milutinov this summer and LaLanne has yet to (and could easily never) prove himself worthy of a roster spot. Besides, teams don't carry 5-6 rookies, especially when they're trying to contend and 3 of their top 6 are old - ancient.

Expect a veteran power forward (my guess is Scola) to be signed and for him to battle Simmons and Bertans for the final rotation spot. The final roster spot probably goes to a youngish big or a guard, that can shoot.

Yeah, volume three-point shooting was something I harped on all of last season. When you already can't get to the line, you can't compound that by barely making any threes.

55-60 wins and a 2nd or 3rd seed is the most likely outcome, followed by a 50/50 WCSF against the Clippers and should they prevail, a definite WCF defeat.

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It has a chance to be, but it depends on a variety of factors. Do Parker and/or Gasol further decline? Does Green regain his stroke? Is there superior chemistry from having had a season to play with Aldridge? Does Leonard improve incrementally?

They're not signing Milutinov this summer and LaLanne has yet to (and could easily never) prove himself worthy of a roster spot. Besides, teams don't carry 5-6 rookies, especially when they're trying to contend and 3 of their top 6 are old - ancient.

Expect a veteran power forward (my guess is Scola) to be signed and for him to battle Simmons and Bertans for the final rotation spot. The final roster spot probably goes to a youngish big or a guard, that can shoot.

Yeah, volume three-point shooting was something I harped on all of last season. When you already can't get to the line, you can't compound that by barely making any threes.

55-60 wins and a 2nd or 3rd seed is the most likely outcome, followed by a 50/50 WCSF against the Clippers and should they prevail, a definite WCF defeat.

Just say "No" to Scola. Figure out a way to acquire another Leonard (Meyers). We will improve to the extent that 2016-17 Pau is better than 2015-16 Tim and also the extent to which Danny and Patty bounce back to 2014 form and Kyle finally probes he really belongs (and possibly Simmons). I am keeping my fingers crossed that being around The Spurs and our veteran bigs somehow Dedmon can take his game up a notch.

To me 55 wins would be great.

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Just say "No" to Scola. Figure out a way to acquire another Leonard (Meyers). We will improve to the extent that 2016-17 Pau is better than 2015-16 Tim and also the extent to which Danny and Patty bounce back to 2014 form and Kyle finally probes he really belongs (and possibly Simmons). I am keeping my fingers crossed that being around The Spurs and our veteran bigs somehow Dedmon can take his game up a notch.

To me 55 wins would be great.

Be realistic... signing a young center like Leonard will be a big stretch.

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Be realistic... signing a young center like Leonard will be a big stretch.

I didn't say "sign" him, I said "figure out a way to acquire" him. Yeah, it is low probability, I admit. But, while I do not know what the Blazers FO thinks of him, I have read dismissive comments from Blazers fans. I find it a little intriguing that Portland has not signed any of its RFAs, but that is probably working to their advantage.

[SAGirl]

Just say "No" to Scola. Figure out a way to acquire another Leonard (Meyers). We will improve to the extent that 2016-17 Pau is better than 2015-16 Tim and also the extent to which Danny and Patty bounce back to 2014 form and Kyle finally probes he really belongs (and possibly Simmons). I am keeping my fingers crossed that being around The Spurs and our veteran bigs somehow Dedmon can take his game up a notch.

To me 55 wins would be great.
Agreed. I don't know Dedmon much but I bet he hasn't played with passers the likes of which we have in our bench. I have high hopes for Kyle. I think he will thrive in a role he was meant to play now that two terrific passing forwards in West and Diaw are gone. I also think he will shoot the 3 much better. It looks like he's worked on it and competition with Bertans will motivate him. I have mixed reviews on Simmons based on his SL, but I think having other playmakers in Manu/Kyle will allow him to be a beast off the ball, cutting, and pushing the pace in transition and he will likely get chances to drive, but not that many. I don't ever see him as ball dominant as he's been in summer league, that is an experiment.

An article I found that shows players basically peak at 27. http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2953 That is Simmons' age next season. I don't think he has any upside at this point and he needs to find a niche. Stick to what he does well if you will and stay away from what he doesn't.

that basically jibes with what we expect to see in an aging curve -- you peak at around age 27, then slowly go downhill until your mid-30s, when you fall off a cliff (unless your name is "John Stockton (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html)", apparently: the Pasty Gangsta still had an absurd 11.65 WS3K at age 40!)

This is alarming for quick guards like Tony:

In average guards do disappear sooner than players at other positions, starting at age 32. The conventional wisdom is that smaller players who rely on their speed/quickness tend to lose that ability (and therefore their viability as NBA players) in their early 30s; bigger players, of course, lose it at that point too, but it doesn't matter as much for them because they were never very fast to begin with. Based on these results, I'd say the conventional wisdom has been confirmed -- guards do appear to "lose it" sooner than big men, starting in their early thirties.

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Agreed. I don't know Dedmon much but I bet he hasn't played with passers the likes of which we have in our bench. I have high hopes for Kyle. I think he will thrive in a role he was meant to play now that two terrific passing forwards in West and Diaw are gone. I also think he will shoot the 3 much better. It looks like he's worked on it and competition with Bertans will motivate him. I have mixed reviews on Simmons based on his SL, but I think having other playmakers in Manu/Kyle will allow him to be a beast off the ball, cutting, and pushing the pace in transition and he will likely get chances to drive, but not that many. I don't ever see him as ball dominant as he's been in summer league, that is an experiment.

An article I found that shows players basically peak at 27. http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2953 That is Simmons' age next season. I don't think he has any upside at this point and he needs to find a niche. Stick to what he does well if you will and stay away from what he doesn't.


This is alarming for quick guards like Tony:

The "peak" data are basically isolating physical development. The reason guys play at a high (even higher) level in later years is due primarily to the fact that they continue to develop mentally (or even develop at an accelerated rate). If Simmons could develop mentally, he could still have quite an upside. The problem is: I do not see him doing that. He continues to make the same mental errors this summer that he did last summer.

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The "peak" data are basically isolating physical development. The reason guys play at a high (even higher) level in later years is due primarily to the fact that they continue to develop mentally (or even develop at an accelerated rate). If Simmons could develop mentally, he could still have quite an upside. The problem is: I do not see him doing that. He continues to make the same mental errors this summer that he did last summer.
Good point. Players who rely on skill do have a longer shelf life than guys who rely on being an elite athlete. JSimms is in the latter category.

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Brown talking about Ben Simmons, he's excited. I hope he pans out. He will certainly at least be entertaining, but a lot of work on that shooting is needed.

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Brown talking about Ben Simmons, he's excited. I hope he pans out. He will certainly at least be entertaining, but a lot of work on that shooting is needed.

Yeah, but I would much rather have him than Ingram. Hard to see how he was the #2 pick based on this single game. Frankly, on the same 1-game sample, Dijon excited me more.

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Yeah, but I would much rather have him than Ingram. Hard to see how he was the #2 pick based on this single game. Frankly, on the same 1-game sample, Dijon excited me more.
Yay yes! I hope we got the steal on Dijon, would crush Lakers lol

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The "peak" data are basically isolating physical development. The reason guys play at a high (even higher) level in later years is due primarily to the fact that they continue to develop mentally (or even develop at an accelerated rate). If Simmons could develop mentally, he could still have quite an upside. The problem is: I do not see him doing that. He continues to make the same mental errors this summer that he did last summer.
I haven't been able to watch the games but what's been his issues?

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I haven't been able to watch the games but what's been his issues?

IMHO, he has not developed his handles at all. That is made more problematic because he has no sense of when he is about to find himself in trouble. He cannot foresee when he is going to dribble into the teeth of the defense, or when the defense is about to trap him. If he could develop that sense, he would be a great weapon on the give-and-go. Plus he needs to develop a mid-range game. He is so intent on finishing at the rim that he misses a ton of opportunities for a jump stop and short jumper. (I know people really want him to improve his 3-point shot, which would be great, too. But I see him more as a homeless man's DWade.) I thought Pop and RC had initially touted his vision and passing instincts. I just don't see them. He has attempted a few of those cross court passes to corner shooters and hasn't connected. Maybe the passes are wild, or maybe the spot-up shooters are not in position (which was obvious on one such pass). Perhaps we will see some improvement when he and Kyle are back playing with regular rotation players in the pre-season. I have rooted for the guy since his arrival in San Antonio - going so far as to call him a Spur TNG. But this summer he has shown no improvement, so I have my doubts - especially with the arrival of Dijon.

[AFMadison]

IMHO, he has not developed his handles at all. That is made more problematic because he has no sense of when he is about to find himself in trouble. He cannot foresee when he is going to dribble into the teeth of the defense, or when the defense is about to trap him. If he could develop that sense, he would be a great weapon on the give-and-go. Plus he needs to develop a mid-range game. He is so intent on finishing at the rim that he misses a ton of opportunities for a jump stop and short jumper. (I know people really want him to improve his 3-point shot, which would be great, too. But I see him more as a homeless man's DWade.) I thought Pop and RC had initially touted his vision and passing instincts. I just don't see them. He has attempted a few of those cross court passes to corner shooters and hasn't connected. Maybe the passes are wild, or maybe the spot-up shooters are not in position (which was obvious on one such pass). Perhaps we will see some improvement when he and Kyle are back playing with regular rotation players in the pre-season. I have rooted for the guy since his arrival in San Antonio - going so far as to call him a Spur TNG. But this summer he has shown no improvement, so I have my doubts - especially with the arrival of Dijon.
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