The Loaded Magazine of Bryn Forbes

[ulosturedge]

You've said for a long time that Patty is a 6'0" shooting guard, and I agree on that. I'm worried that Forbes is a 6'3" shooting guard, and Murray is a 6'5" shooting guard - and they're all supposed to be playing the point.

Murray is not a shooting guard. He has no outside shoot. He is definitely being developed to play point. White is more of a shooting guard then Murray.

Either way if Forbes can do what he's doing on an NBA level he will play shooting guard along side Murray and White and on defense they will switch up matchups and Murray and White will guard the shooting guards while Patty and Forbes guard the point.

If ever Murray and White are on the floor together, White will man the shooting guard position and Murray the point, but I'm sure they would share duties as well.

Of course that's assuming they both develop enough to get considerable playing time. But we know how Pop is. Unlikely White sees much court time unless he some how shows enough maturity and high b-ball IQ.

I'm hoping Kawhi can help Murray hone his jumper in the offseason or at least get considerable improvement.

[cd98]

Forbes allows the Spurs to consider trading Patty when Parker returns and will be given a chance to prove his value this fall.

Problem is he can't change tempo like Patty. He has the shot, but not the speed.

[SAGirl]

It's just annoying. I'd like to see white/blossomgame have a game, and not someone who is not in the spurs' long term future.

you don't know that.
Steph Curry's brother was in the dleague for a good couple of years, had a great summer league in 2015... got a contract in the NBA, and after Sacramento and Mavericks stops, finally was able to reproduce his scoring outbursts in summer league iin the mavs. He reminds me of Seth Curry, he was able to become and NBA player when he added plays off the dribble like those displayed in that video to his already good ability to shoot the 3. Could be a bench microwave with license to be aggressive like Patty has.

I wouldn't say he's done this early.. that is just me of course.

[look_at_g_shred]

you don't know that.
Steph Curry's brother was in the dleague for a good couple of years, had a great summer league in 2015... got a contract in the NBA, and after Sacramento and Mavericks stops, finally was able to reproduce his scoring outbursts in summer league iin the mavs. He reminds me of Seth Curry, he was able to become and NBA player when he added plays off the dribble like those displayed in that video to his already good ability to shoot the 3. Could be a bench microwave with license to be aggressive like Patty has.
it's hard to see that he is staying long term with the plethora of guards we have.

[SAGirl]

it's hard to see that he is staying long term with the plethora of guards we have.

^ You have a good point there for sure. I'd like for the Spurs to keep him. I have liked him since last season but seeing Pop having him run the point was not great. He also has yet to be scoring and shooting well in the NBA. He didn't do so well for a guy who is an offensive player and needs to be scoring to be impactful. I wouldn't proclaim him gone yet, but you are right, space is tight.

[dabom]

Forbes is a trashcan.

[TheGreatYacht]

You know we'd never get this type of performance in a meaningful game.
If no defense playing short SG's like Fatty Mills and Gary Neal can be "successful" on the Spurs, so can Forbes

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[Down Under]

There's no way around it; as things currently stand Spurs at taking a MASSIVE gamble on the PG position. It was a truly weak spot last year and now it's even weaker but more expensive with Mills new deal. I'm fine with the strategy somewhat, but it is a gamble. Murray has to develop or they will have to pivot and use money at that PG position instead of elsewhere since it's by far the biggest weak spot at the moment.
I understand your view and it's a massive gamble and a big weakness but I don't think we've any other choice but to go all in with Murray. The chances of signing any 1st tier or even 2nd tier PG in this free agency or in the future (which is what we'd need to get to challenge GSW) is so remote - we've signed 1 all-start caliber player in our franchise's history. Murray will never be TP, but few will - he's a top 10 PG all time & arguably the best finisher ever at the position. But if Murray turns out to be an above average player at his peak, it will be worth it.

[DPG21920]

I understand your view and it's a massive gamble and a big weakness but I don't think we've any other choice but to go all in with Murray. The chances of signing any 1st tier PG in this free agency or in the future (which is what we'd need to get to challenge GSW) is so remote - we've signed 1 all-start caliber player in our franchise's history. Murray will never be TP, but few will - he's a top 10 PG all time & arguably the best finisher ever at the position. But if Murray turns out to be an above average player at his peak, it will be worth it.

Sure, but you don't need an all-star point guard. It just can't be a massive hole. Even someone like a Rubio (level player) would be a solid upgrade over all PGs on the Spurs and then you can still spend money else where at more important positions.

[coachmac87]

Forbes shooting ability was never really in question... it's the other aspects of his game he has to show promise or improvement.

[Down Under]

Sure, but you don't need an all-star point guard. It just can't be a massive hole. Even someone like a Rubio (level player) would be a solid upgrade over all PGs on the Spurs and then you can still spend money else where at more important positions.
The problem is the money that 2nd tier, 3rd tier one's ($20m for Georgie) are commanding is crazy. I like Rubio, but he's become gunshy because of his shot, he won't shoot if there are guys backing miles off him when he has the ball and he wont't shoot if he's wide open at the end of games. It's a really tough one and I could be wrong but I think this could be a bridging year for the Spurs. Murray is going to need at least another season until he becomes a starting caliber PG. Pretty tough.

[cutewizard]

i like Forbes already

[cutewizard]

the Vagrant man's stephen curry, lol

:bobo

[duncan2k5]

Ppl on here make it seem like Forbes was shooting like Curry last year...dude was sub par at best, horrible most of the time...neither the numbers or eye test support him being a good shooter

[tbdog]

Forbes ceiling is Daniels, and you have to gameplan against Daniels, then attack him on D. They not going to be rotational players. They meant to come in when we need shooting. When teams are doubling hard to open things up. If you can hide him on D for that 5 minutes stretch, you can get a lot of value. These guys will remain cheap and should stay in the league. They only fall apart when your playing against two way players.

[Birn]

Bryn definitely has a long term future with spurs if he continues to play at this level on a consistent basis. That's the key for him and every other prospect - consistency. That's what the coaches and scouts are looking for. Doing it once in a while gets you a hard look. Once you do it every time you step on the court then teams want you on their roster. That's what happened with Simmons and Anderson the past two summers. That's why Murray should be very concerned. He just hasn't shown up consistently. There's still time for him to show something. If not, then I would expect the Spurs to not pick up his option after next season especially if Forbes continues to grow and develop.

[sasaint]

Mills is going to get the no trade Pop golden pass loyalty ticket.

Yup. Next oldest son after Parker.

[sasaint]

Bryn definitely has a long term future with spurs if he continues to play at this level on a consistent basis. That's the key for him and every other prospect - consistency. That's what the coaches and scouts are looking for. Doing it once in a while gets you a hard look. Once you do it every time you step on the court then teams want you on their roster. That's what happened with Simmons and Anderson the past two summers. That's why Murray should be very concerned. He just hasn't shown up consistently. There's still time for him to show something. If not, then I would expect the Spurs to not pick up his option after next season especially if Forbes continues to grow and develop.

I am probably the biggest Murray supporter on ST; I started calling for Pop to give him the keys in the middle of last season before the AS break. But I am very disappointed in what I have seen of him this summer. If the Spurs could package him with LMA for a very good piece in return, I would be all for it.

[Ice009]

None of you wanted to package Murray for Paul George, yet now people want to package him. Unbelievable. I mean people said Kawhi and him are untouchable. I found it laughable that people would put him anywhere near Kawhi as untouchable in trades.

I kept telling you all before summer league that if you can package him to get a good/great player back in trade, you do it. No questions asked.

[Snaq O'Meal]

None of you wanted to package Murray for Paul George, yet now people want to package him. Unbelievable. I mean people said Kawhi and him are untouchable. I found it laughable that people would put him anywhere near Kawhi as untouchable in trades.

I kept telling you all before summer league that if you can package him to get a good/great player back in trade, you do it. No questions asked.

After his summer league performances to date, no chance of that happening as for now.

[Ice009]

That's why I said to package him in a trade with LMA. Spurs and fans around here are just too slow and overrate low first round draft picks. The Spurs got lucky with Manu and Tony. I don't know when people are actually going to wake up and realize that. You can't keep relying on that kind of luck. You gotta make bold moves if the opportunity is there.

For the record, I like Murray, but I certainly wouldn't have him on any untouchable trade list like nearly everyone here on Spurstalk had him (that's freaking crazy). Kawhi is the only one on that list for me.

[tbdog]

You don't give up on rookies that quickly. Especially if they are young rookies. Murray has ways to go but he has so much potential and could be the best point guard in the draft. Plus you get 3 more years on that sweet rookie contract. Sure if Spurs were discussing Butler trade deals, then yeah because you have Butler locked up. Paul George outright said he is going to the LA. So giving up Murray and LMA for a rental is not a great move. Plus Pacers wanted someone locked up for a few years, hence the Oli deal.

[Ice009]

Nope, you still trade him. There is no guarantee he will ever become the best PG from that draft, or even a very good one. Spurs are also trying to win now, not later.

I disagree completely.

[cutewizard]

Still waiting for John Wall

[ceperez]

Bryn definitely has a long term future with spurs if he continues to play at this level on a consistent basis. That's the key for him and every other prospect - consistency. That's what the coaches and scouts are looking for. Doing it once in a while gets you a hard look. Once you do it every time you step on the court then teams want you on their roster. That's what happened with Simmons and Anderson the past two summers. That's why Murray should be very concerned. He just hasn't shown up consistently. There's still time for him to show something. If not, then I would expect the Spurs to not pick up his option after next season especially if Forbes continues to grow and develop.

Good post.

Yes, flashes of brilliance are nice, but consistency is what is demanded by the Spurs.

When Pop inserts you in the game you better shoot well, defend well and not commit any mental lapses. Otherwise someone else on the team deserves that playing time.

A good case study of this is Kyle Anderson. Kyle rarely makes mistakes when the ball is in his hands. However, he has a ton of mental lapses away from the ball. Even worse, he isn't mentally prepared when he gets the ball wide open. He's got a high basketball IQ but the mental lapses are ridiculous.

Danny Green is like that on offense. He does only one thing well, that is catch and shoot 3. However, ton of mental lapses when he passes the ball. Like there's zero situational awareness!

What I like about Forbes is that despite his limited talent, he indeed is improving his mid game. I would rather that he just play like JJ Reddick, but the added mid-game is a good addition to his game. I also like that he indeed is bulking up. That's also a good sign.

So let's not undervalue this Forbes just yet. He is the Spurs best shooter today and that's something you don't just trade away.

[Chinook]

Big Iron deserves a good deal of credit for how he's come out this year. He's getting the feature as if he's the star sophomore. He's lacking a lot things physically that limit his ceiling, but confidence was by far his biggest hurdle, and I love that he's being aggressive as hell so far. I'll be pretty annoyed if they cut him in order to have Manu and Simmons on the roster.

[cjw]

Big Iron deserves a good deal of credit for how he's come out this year. He's getting the feature as if he's the star sophomore. He's lacking a lot things physically that limit his ceiling, but confidence was by far his biggest hurdle, and I love that he's being aggressive as hell so far. I'll be pretty annoyed if they cut him in order to have Manu and Simmons on the roster.

He belongs on the roster, no doubt about it. Not going to work against all lineups but lethal shooting with more confidence will be badly needed. He's outplayed Murray and Bertans badly.

When's the guarantee date? $100k gets guaranteed on August 1. What about the rest of it

If they end up not having room for him, I'd imagine they could at least net a protected second rounder for him.

[Chinook]

He belongs on the roster, no doubt about it. Not going to work against all lineups but lethal shooting with more confidence will be badly needed. He's outplayed Murray and Bertans badly.

When's the guarantee date? $100k gets guaranteed on August 1. What about the rest of it

If they end up not having room for him, I'd imagine they could at least net a protected second rounder for him.

I would assume it comes guaranteed on January 15, or whenever the date is for all the contracts to become guaranteed. I don't necessarily see Forbes as having a future in the team's rotation, but you can't ignore that he is the most dynamic perimeter shooter on the roster right now.

[dabom]

I would assume it comes guaranteed on January 15, or whenever the date is for all the contracts to become guaranteed. I don't necessarily see Forbes as having a future in the team's rotation, but you can't ignore that he is the most dynamic perimeter shooter on the SL roster right now.

[dabom]

Kawhi is the most dynamic perimeter shooter on the team. :lol

[cjw]

Kawhi is the most dynamic perimeter shooter on the team. :lol

I think he meant the most dynamic shooter off the ball. Kawhi is going to need to dominate the ball so much - especially if no Manu - that surrounding him with shooters will be so key.

Murray remains an awkward fit. Can't dribble, can't shoot right now and is messy with passes (could be less skilled guys in SL who can't catch). Size and effort on defense have been good, and rebounding is a plus. But playing him off the ball only works if he can be a slasher. He's not ready to run an offense.

Not sure which lineups you can play Forbes with. He probably faces bench units and is on the floor with Manu and Pau. He'll get eaten alive on the defensive end unless careful.

[dabom]

I think he meant the most dynamic shooter off the ball. Kawhi is going to need to dominate the ball so much - especially if no Manu - that surrounding him with shooters will be so key.

Murray remains an awkward fit. Can't dribble, can't shoot right now and is messy with passes (could be less skilled guys in SL who can't catch). Size and effort on defense have been good, and rebounding is a plus. But playing him off the ball only works if he can be a slasher. He's not ready to run an offense.

Not sure which lineups you can play Forbes with. He probably faces bench units and is on the floor with Manu and Pau. He'll get eaten alive on the defensive end unless careful.

On or off the ball he still is. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Forbes can do everything Mills can do, only better.

[MaNu4Tres]

Big Iron deserves a good deal of credit for how he's come out this year. He's getting the feature as if he's the star sophomore. He's lacking a lot things physically that limit his ceiling, but confidence was by far his biggest hurdle, and I love that he's being aggressive as hell so far. I'll be pretty annoyed if they cut him in order to have Manu and Simmons on the roster.

Theres no way hes not on the roster. No way.

Mills/ Forbes/ Murray/ Parker
Green/ Manu/ White
Kawhi/ Simmons/ KA
Gay/ Bertans or KA
Aldridge/ Gasol/ vet min big. ( Lee?, Splitter?)

Done and done

[Chinook]

I think he meant the most dynamic shooter off the ball. Kawhi is going to need to dominate the ball so much - especially if no Manu - that surrounding him with shooters will be so key.

Murray remains an awkward fit. Can't dribble, can't shoot right now and is messy with passes (could be less skilled guys in SL who can't catch). Size and effort on defense have been good, and rebounding is a plus. But playing him off the ball only works if he can be a slasher. He's not ready to run an offense.

Not sure which lineups you can play Forbes with. He probably faces bench units and is on the floor with Manu and Pau. He'll get eaten alive on the defensive end unless careful.

I don't think there's really a need to respond to dabom on this. Kawhi isn't a particularly dynamic shooter like Curry, Allen, Korver or even Green was back in the day. You're right that off-ball work is a big part of this. But Kawhi's perimeter shooting (especially not counting long-twos) doesn't tend to come off a lot of movement at all. A lot of that is a function of Kawhiso/LMA post-ups and the fact that Kawhi is hardly off the ball for any type of play. But most of his threes come off the dribble or on simple rotation plays. Maybe we would have seen him become more dynamic next to a guy like Paul. But he's nowhere close to the top of the team in that regard right now.

[Chinook]

Theres no way hes not on the roster. No way.

Mills/ Forbes/ Murray/ Parker
Green/ Manu/ White
Kawhi/ Simmons/ KA
Gay/ Bertans or KA
Aldridge/ Gasol/ vet min big. ( Lee?, Splitter?)

Done and done

That roster has no balance. There are going to be teams against which you have to play two bigs. We have no way of knowing if Gay's going to be good enough on offense to counteract guarding a skilled four -- or if he's even going to be effective defensively after his injury. They need someone who can legitimately play the four in addition to the three centers. Even Houston and GS have more than three bigs on their rosters.

[dabom]

Can someone please give me forbes shooting percentages vs Kawhi? faggot. :lmao

[dabom]

Kawhi is one of the best midrange shooter and 3 point shooters on or off the ball and he isn't a dynamic perimeter shooter? WTF is this faggot smoking?

[dabom]

Kawhi has every type of shot in the NBA. Does anyone agree with that faggot? :lmao

[dabom]

I;m gonna have to add to the "stupid shit chinook says" list. :lol

[Chinook]

Four posts?

[cjw]

After watching Bertans in SL and knowing Gay is still rehabbing, people are crazy to think you can go into next season relying just on Kyle at the 4. Sure, you can play Kawhi there in spurts.

Forbes could well be odd man out. Perhaps Manu doesn't sign with the team right away either and pulls a bit of a Clemens? Would create a need for another player for a few months. But unlikely given Parker's injury.

[MaNu4Tres]

That roster has no balance. There are going to be teams against which you have to play two bigs. We have no way of knowing if Gay's going to be good enough on offense to counteract guarding a skilled four -- or if he's even going to be effective defensively after his injury. They need someone who can legitimately play the four in addition to the three centers. Even Houston and GS have more than three bigs on their rosters.

I think theyd be fine. Roles for true bigs at the 4 are getting more and more narrow. Only two teams that will play big big for a better part of the game are the Pelicans & Clippers. In those cases Spurs can utilize some LA/ Pau lineups when needed.

Question, what true PF can SA realistically afford in your eyes? And will that PF be gpod enough to beat out Bertans/ Anderson at the 4?

[SAGirl]

Big Iron deserves a good deal of credit for how he's come out this year. He's getting the feature as if he's the star sophomore. He's lacking a lot things physically that limit his ceiling, but confidence was by far his biggest hurdle, and I love that he's being aggressive as hell so far. I'll be pretty annoyed if they cut him in order to have Manu and Simmons on the roster.
I second this.
+1

[SAGirl]

I think theyd be fine. Roles for true bigs at the 4 are getting more and more narrow. Only two teams that will play big big for a better part of the game are the Pelicans & Clippers. In those cases Spurs can utilize some LA/ Pau lineups when needed.

Question, what true PF can SA realistically afford in your eyes? And will that PF be gpod enough to beat out Bertans/ Anderson at the 4?
I am sure Lee, but I am not sure if he would accept a role that would fluctuate with matchups and style. I'd also like for that big to be a rim protector like Tiago.

[cjw]

I am sure Lee, but I am not sure if he would accept a role that would fluctuate with matchups and style. I'd also like for that big to be a rim protector like Tiago.

With the injuries and age on the roster, they can't afford another guy who is already injury prone. Love Tiago, but not going to work given the packed roster.

[313]

I was at a party with him once at MSU a couple years back.

[Coasting]

I was at a party with him once at MSU a couple years back.

What color pants were you wearing?

[BatManu20]

He's been really impressive in Vegas so far. Really hope he's not the odd man out.. don't think he will be though.

[BatManu20]

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[ceperez]

So sad that ST fans keep short changing Forbes.

How many points does Forbes need to score before you guys become believers?

How many turnovers does Murray have to get before you sour on his prospects?

Favoring Murray now is kind of like choosing a poor man's Crawford over a poor man's Curry.

[Big Empty]

Win win situation. Forbes is excellent trade bait now or maybe even a legitimate back up to Patty. You gotta give him credit how much he's improved. Murray has potential but he's still a few years away.

[jermaine]

So sad that ST fans keep short changing Forbes.

How many points does Forbes need to score before you guys become believers?

How many turnovers does Murray have to get before you sour on his prospects?

Favoring Murray now is kind of like choosing a poor man's Crawford over a poor man's Curry.

I've been on Twitter saying this same thing all morning.... People must not have been watching the same summer league... Forbes is making it look easy... him an Bertans!!! I pray he's our starting pg next yr. He has ball handling, pass vision, an deadly shooting... what more can you ask for. No he isn't the best defender, but he sure does try his ass off. #Babyfacekilla

[jermaine]

Win win situation. Forbes is excellent trade bait now or maybe even a legitimate back up to Patty. You gotta give him credit how much he's improved. Murray has potential but he's still a few years away.

Are you fucking stupid! Why in the fuck would you trade him?? Groom that nicca to be our future pg an trade Murray's ass

[Dverde]

Spurs have Patty Mills, they don't need two chuckers playing together. Forbes was not good during his NBA playing time. Slo mo and Daye also lit up summer league...

[ceperez]

Are you fucking stupid! Why in the fuck would you trade him?? Groom that nicca to be our future pg an trade Murray's ass

Can't trade Murray's ass now considering his market value has just tanked big time! 4 games in to Summer League and he's done nothing but turnover the ball. There's are reason why he's a 29th pick and its all in full display!

[jermaine]

Spurs have Patty Mills, they don't need two chuckers playing together. Forbes was not good during his NBA playing time. Slo mo and Daye also lit up summer league...

I was at the Mavs an spurs gm when he went on a tear! Forbes is a scorer!! The boy nice with it.

[MaNu4Tres]

I am sure Lee, but I am not sure if he would accept a role that would fluctuate with matchups and style. I'd also like for that big to be a rim protector like Tiago.

Wherever Lee goes, its inevitable that his role would fluctuate because of the matchups and style of todays game.

[Atl Spur]

Forbes just needed his confidence back...... he can play in this league. Pop is a great talent evaluator

[Big Empty]

Are you fucking stupid! Why in the fuck would you trade him?? Groom that nicca to be our future pg an trade Murray's ass

Ha, Relax man Im on the Forbes bandwagon. Im just saying his improvement has been nice and he may open up options to improve the team whether by playing or being a huge sweetener for a major trade. I'm not gonna get TOO excited over a few summer league games. One thing is for sure, Murray didn't improve on anything.

[Chinook]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HuFJfpLgtCs/hqdefault.jpg

[jermaine]

Ha, Relax man Im on the Forbes bandwagon. Im just saying his improvement has been nice and he may open up options to improve the team whether by playing or being a huge sweetener for a major trade. I'm not gonna get TOO excited over a few summer league games. One thing is for sure, Murray didn't improve on anything.

That's for real! Murray can't shoot, cant finish at the rim, an throws dumb passes! Boooooy I'd love for Forbes to start

[coachmac87]

17 Free Throw Attempts is most impressive thing about yesterday game. Shows he's capable of doing more then just being a catch and shoot guy...

If you can shoot from 3 and midrange plus doing work attacking the paint and getting to the kind...you'll do some serious damage in this league

[ulosturedge]

The kid is only in his second year. No doubt he can shoot the ball. Didn't he put up 20+ in a game during the season last year? Why is Patty completely accepted and this guy hated on? From what i've seen so far he has the same trajectory as Patty. Yeah he has to work on other parts of his game to be a viable option at the point, but same was true with Patty.

I guess Spur fans are tired of the FO grooming shooting guards in point guard bodies. You got to find talent and value where you can when you are always picking near dead last in the draft. No ones saying have him be the full fledged starter. But he deserves situational minutes if he keeps showing this type of moxy.

Seems like we got some Spurs fans in love with Murray. He's got the talent but he's a turnover machine. He has to clean up his game and he should have to earn his way up like everyone else.

[duncan2k5]

So sad that ST fans keep short changing Forbes.

How many points does Forbes need to score before you guys become believers?

How many turnovers does Murray have to get before you sour on his prospects?

Favoring Murray now is kind of like choosing a poor man's Crawford over a poor man's Curry.

Bryn had 8 turnovers tho...

[Dverde]

No more Steph Curry comparisons please. He is more in the Gary Neal, Patty Mills, Randy Foye category until he proves otherwise. Curry is crazy special player. His own brother who was raised exactly the same is half the player he is. God among chuckers.

[duncan2k5]

Spurs have Patty Mills, they don't need two chuckers playing together. Forbes was not good during his NBA playing time. Slo mo and Daye also lit up summer league...

Finally someone with enough basketball sense to realize some players are just summer league players...the bright lights aren't for them...Bryn played last year. We know how that went...Murray was much better

[duncan2k5]

The kid is only in his second year. No doubt he can shoot the ball. Didn't he put up 20+ in a game during the season last year? Why is Patty completely accepted and this guy hated on? From what i've seen so far he has the same trajectory as Patty. Yeah he has to work on other parts of his game to be a viable option at the point, but same was true with Patty.

I guess Spur fans are tired of the FO grooming shooting guards in point guard bodies. You got to find talent and value where you can when you are always picking near dead last in the draft. No ones saying have him be the full fledged starter. But he deserves situational minutes if he keeps showing this type of moxy.

Seems like we got some Spurs fans in love with Murray. He's got the talent but he's a turnover machine. He has to clean up his game and he should have to earn his way up like everyone else.

Bryn...had...8...turnovers...

[Chinook]

The kid is only in his second year. No doubt he can shoot the ball. Didn't he put up 20+ in a game during the season last year? Why is Patty completely accepted and this guy hated on? From what i've seen so far he has the same trajectory as Patty. Yeah he has to work on other parts of his game to be a viable option at the point, but same was true with Patty.

I guess Spur fans are tired of the FO grooming shooting guards in point guard bodies. You got to find talent and value where you can when you are always picking near dead last in the draft. No ones saying have him be the full fledged starter. But he deserves situational minutes if he keeps showing this type of moxy.

Seems like we got some Spurs fans in love with Murray. He's got the talent but he's a turnover machine. He has to clean up his game and he should have to earn his way up like everyone else.

I agree. You can't have that many turnovers if you're Murray. The one thing you gotta do if you're going to start at PG with Kawhi, Gay and LMA is not turn it over. Bryn is looking like a decent option in comparison. Just has a safer game.

[pgardn]

I agree. You can't have that many turnovers if you're Murray. The one thing you gotta do if you're going to start at PG with Kawhi, Gay and LMA is not turn it over. Bryn is looking like a decent option in comparison. Just has a safer game.

Safer with 8 TOs...

That said we will definitely need him with Parker gone. We need a stable of guards, even bad ones that can have good nights against certain teams.

[coachmac87]

I agree. You can't have that many turnovers if you're Murray. The one thing you gotta do if you're going to start at PG with Kawhi, Gay and LMA is not turn it over. Bryn is looking like a decent option in comparison. Just has a safer game.

Murrays biggest issue is he hasn't found or doesn't have "game" in the NBA yet. Getting by the defender is the easy part for him..but finding out what to do or how to play is a real struggle..especially since he can't shoot at all..

[ceperez]

Bryn...had...8...turnovers...

While being double teamed constantly... making 35 points.

What about your beloved Murray? 5 measly points on 4 turnovers. If he scored like Forbes, he would have like 30 turnovers!!!!

To make it worse, Murray rested the last game while Bryn had to post up 18 points (one turnover).

You would think that 'overflowing with potential' Murray would do more damage than an exhausted Forbes.

[Chinook]

While being double teamed constantly... making 35 points.

What about your beloved Murray? 5 measly points on 4 turnovers. If he scored like Forbes, he would have like 30 turnovers!!!!

Murray had a beautiful score where he challenged the big, reached around him and laid the ball into the basket.

[ceperez]

Murrays biggest issue is he hasn't found or doesn't have "game" in the NBA yet. Getting by the defender is the easy part for him..but finding out what to do or how to play is a real struggle..especially since he can't shoot at all..

When you constantly do all these ridiculous moves, you'll get past your man because he's not expecting it. Yet, you also pay in turnovers just because its a gamble. All smoke and mirrors. Looks good, but what are the percentages? One turnover per point scored?

Add to that, he didn't play the previous game after scoring just 5 points on 10 attempts!

Unbelievable!

[ceperez]

Murray had a beautiful score where he challenged the big, reached around him and laid the ball into the basket.

okay... perhaps he's more suited for playing with the Harlem Globetrotters.

[jermaine]

While being double teamed constantly... making 35 points.

What about your beloved Murray? 5 measly points on 4 turnovers. If he scored like Forbes, he would have like 30 turnovers!!!!

To make it worse, Murray rested the last game while Bryn had to post up 18 points (one turnover).

You would think that 'overflowing with potential' Murray would do more damage than an exhausted Forbes.

Exactly!!! I'd rather Forbes start at pg than Murray! If Kawhi, LMA, or Gay is doubled you can depend on him making his shots.

[coachmac87]

When you constantly do all these ridiculous moves, you'll get past your man because he's not expecting it. Yet, you also pay in turnovers just because its a gamble. All smoke and mirrors. Looks good, but what are the percentages? One turnover per point scored?


Murray has elite length and athleticism for his position..but that's pretty much all he has going for him RIGHT NOW. He can't shoot when teams go under screens..lacks strength to absorb contact and finish consistently at the rim..and has a pretty bad Assit/TO ratio lol..

He's gotta figure a way to impact games...

[Russ]

Forbes could always shoot but now he's a tenacious dog out there. Completely different than his past "designated sniper" role.

Regardless of what you think his ceiling is, you have to acknowledge he's a different player in this summer league.

[ceperez]

Murray has elite length and athleticism for his position..but that's pretty much all he has going for him RIGHT NOW. He can't shoot when teams go under screens..lacks strength to absorb contact and finish consistently at the rim..and has a pretty bad Assit/TO ratio lol..

He's gotta figure a way to impact games...

We know that he can rebound well... you know... kind of like a Dennis Rodman player. Lots of athleticism but no skills.

If Murray had just a fraction of the skills of Forbes, he'll be devastating!

[ceperez]

Forbes could always shoot but now he's a tenacious dog out there. Completely different than his past "designated sniper" role.

Regardless of what you think his ceiling is, you have to acknowledge he's a different player in this summer league.

Plays like Patty Mills, but with a major difference, can get to the paint and score (or get fouled).

[coachmac87]

Forbes could always shoot but now he's a tenacious dog out there. Completely different than his past "designated sniper" role.

Regardless of what you think his ceiling is, you have to acknowledge he's a different player in this summer league.

It's crazy what "confidence" can do for a player

[SAGirl]

Exactly!!! I'd rather Forbes start at pg than Murray! If Kawhi, LMA, or Gay is doubled you can depend on him making his shots.
That's really what I am thinking. POP definitely has wanted to see how much he's progressed. They were starting Mills for his shooting pretty much and nothing else. Forbes has to be at least a candidate. I don't see Murray at anything over 15-20 minutes a game. He's got to make a name on defense bc right now he's the most limited offensively between the guards.

[ceperez]

That's really what I am thinking. POP definitely has wanted to see how much he's progressed. They were starting Mills for his shooting pretty much and nothing else. Forbes has to be at least a candidate. I don't see Murray at anything over 15-20 minutes a game. He's got to make a name on defense bc right now he's the most limited offensively between the guards.

Yes, just like Dennis Rodman, defensive specialist that can rebound. I think that will match his current skill set.

Spurs have plenty of passers and plenty of shooters.

[picnroll]

It's possible for Murray to clean up the turnovers and improve his passing. His woeful shooting is VERY worrisome though. He may well be one of those Rubio types on offense that can never shoot for a ddcent percentage, so far things are pointing that way.

[ulosturedge]

Bryn...had...8...turnovers...

Didn't realize Forbes had that many turnovers. I would have to rewatch and see in what context he made those turnovers. The point is this kid was put on the team cause he can flat out shoot the ball and that's what he's doing. He ain't scared of the moment. He isn't a Jack McClinton out there. Like another poster said he's not Steph Curry but more of the Gary Neal type which is fine there is a place for those type of players on an NBA roster.

On the other hand you got Murray who is looked at as being a distributor and is suppose to have handles, but he get's his pocket picked constantly. I really think it's a mental thing which is what makes it more frustrating to watch.

Either way i'm not even trying to compare the two. I'm just giving credit where credit is due from what I see out there. I want Murray to flourish and reach his potential as well. But so far he still has the same problems he had from the beginning. Murray's going to get his minutes I just wish he would show more improvement on certain aspects of his game. So far he hasn't show that...

[jermaine]

Murray dribbles to high an wild! Forbes has energy, running off screens, passing, an handles. I love this kid, an I hope they don't trade him.

[benefactor]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HuFJfpLgtCs/hqdefault.jpg
To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day
Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say,
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
The stranger there among them had a big iron on his hip,
Big iron on his hip

[KDKSpurs24]

Finally someone with enough basketball sense to realize some players are just summer league players...the bright lights aren't for them...Bryn played last year. We know how that went...Murray was much better
But what about the sense to realize that players can IMPROVE?

[Chinook]

To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day
Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say,
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
The stranger there among them had a big iron on his hip,
Big iron on his hip
duncan2k5 is clearly Texas Red tbh.

[benefactor]

duncan2k5 is clearly Texas Red tbh.
:tu:lol

[Atl Spur]

That's really what I am thinking. POP definitely has wanted to see how much he's progressed. They were starting Mills for his shooting pretty much and nothing else. Forbes has to be at least a candidate. I don't see Murray at anything over 15-20 minutes a game. He's got to make a name on defense bc right now he's the most limited offensively between the guards.

I agree whole heartedly! He needs to work to be a lockdown defender at his position..... He possesses tools that will make him a nightmare for other point guards. If he truly wants to emulate Kawhi, defense should be his calling card initially.

[ace3g]

884513712333135872

[TheDoctor]

The kid is only in his second year. No doubt he can shoot the ball. Didn't he put up 20+ in a game during the season last year?

In a half :wow

[tonight...you]

I'm a fan. This kid should be given real minutes to see his progression with the team this year.

[TheDoctor]

So we got our American Ferrari? Or at least our high-reeving 2015-18 Flat-Plane Ford GT350?

One thing for sure, aside from his game it's clearly Forbes has been working on his body. He looks bigger.

[tonight...you]

So we got our American Ferrari? Or at least our high-reeving 2015-18 Flat-Plane Ford GT350?

One thing for sure, aside from his game it's clearly Forbes has been working on his body. He looks bigger.
We've been talking about everybody, but him and he's been the one who's looked like he's worked on every part of his game and himself more than those we talk about.

Damn fine work, I say. I respect that kind of work. I now want Forbes to go work out with Kawhi along with Dejounte.
That kid has some good stuff going on. I still wish he was a couple inches taller though... And had better defensive instincts, but whatcha gonna do?

Not every person out there is a Kawhi. That's why he's been #2 on the MVP list the last 2 years. Damn Spurs... you sho' be's lucky.

[BackHome]

He went from being a scub last year to maybe a decent backup player which kudos to him he worked his ass off. He kind is a better shooter then White but he is shorter and worse defender. It is easy though to see that the Spurs like him and gave him a chance in the D League to play PG to see if he could be a decent backup which as right now I would put White and Forbes above Murray.

I think with Murray people and him thought the process would be easier and faster which it hasn't. He reminds me a lot of CoJo but I think the should move him to SG and just work on his 3 ball and play good defense. I think once he gets those two the game will be so much easier and he can start becoming the player he should be.

[TD 21]

On the one hand, he's played too well and has too clearly defined a role to be cut. On the other hand, they need another big and short of Ginobili or Simmons not returning, don't have a spot. Also, re-signing Mills and to a lesser extent drafting White more than likely blocks his path to ever becoming a rotation player . . . all the more reason why doing both of those things was unnecessary.

[tonight...you]

He went from being a scub last year to maybe a decent backup player which kudos to him he worked his ass off. He kind is a better shooter then White but he is shorter and worse defender. It is easy though to see that the Spurs like him and gave him a chance in the D League to play PG to see if he could be a decent backup which as right now I would put White and Forbes above Murray.

I think with Murray people and him thought the process would be easier and faster which it hasn't. He reminds me a lot of CoJo but I think the should move him to SG and just work on his 3 ball and play good defense. I think once he gets those two the game will be so much easier and he can start becoming the player he should be.
Honestly, Murray is the wild horse with the great genetics and everything you'd want in a "lump of clay" to win the Triple Crown, but he needs to be broken before he becomes productive.
He's so young, it's going to take a bit and this Summer League debacle may just be the thing that starts the Breaking of Dejounte into a real NBA player.

He thinks he's on the cusp of being a generational player, but he needs to see he's not that guy right now and if he wants to stick, he needs to refine what he has and improve what he's shit at.

He still is a thoroughbred, and he has things that... make you just go "damn", but it's the other 80% of the game that he's not grasping.

We'll see what happens, and I have hope, but he's not the guy right now that you'd trust to lead to a 'ship. Not this year. Unless he makes a quantum leap, during the RS...

[keithington1]

I agree Murray should play a lot of SG. Make him shoot all year long like he's Bradley Beal.

[apalisoc_9]

On the one hand, he's played too well and has too clearly defined a role to be cut. On the other hand, they need another big and short of Ginobili or Simmons not returning, don't have a spot. Also, re-signing Mills and to a lesser extent drafting White more than likely blocks his path to ever becoming a rotation player . . . all the more reason why doing both of those things was unnecessary.

I suspect we end up with Joff-Pau-LMA-Bertans as the only big players. Probably a slight change in structure. Still start big, but play small ball 4 the rest of the way.

[tonight...you]

I agree Murray should play a lot of SG. Make him shoot all year long like he's Bradley Beal.
Not this year, unless you want to see abject failure...
This kid doesn't have an NBA shot right now. You want that? You tell him that this year and make him focus with Chip and see the progress next year.

Pushing him out there now, with a terrible shot, and telling him to shoot like you have no conscience... Recipe for losses and risk losing his confidence for good.

I respectfully disagree.

[keithington1]

Ok your right totally. But he knows how to separate on the dribble for an open shot. If you watch his mixtapes on Youtube, and he can shoot a little. All I see him do now a days is drive to the basket. Wish he would develop that Tony midrange pull-up this offseason.

[tonight...you]

Ok your right totally. But he knows how to separate on the dribble for an open shot. If you watch his mixtapes on Youtube, and he can shoot a little. All I see him do now a days is drive to the basket. Wish he would develop that Tony midrange pull-up this offseason.
True. He has elite separation skills. It's what he does once he's got that opportunity: Shoot? He sucks at shooting right now. Pass? He's not familiar enough with the team yet (this is especially true with the Summer team). So he goes, generally for the floater.
I actually like his floater because he can get it off at anytime over anyone and that is a talent. He really needs some good instruction (and I would advise him to go to the guy on his team who has one of THE BEST floaters in NBA history on advice and techniques to practice) on that because you can see that's his natural instinct- so you better refine that shit to better than reliable.

He's a strange case: He's a scrub with elite abilities. And he seems to want to excel. This is when I start to wish Chad Forcier was still a part of the staff... He knew how to develop players.

[TheDoctor]

We've been talking about everybody, but him and he's been the one who's looked like he's worked on every part of his game and himself more than those we talk about.

Damn fine work, I say. I respect that kind of work. I now want Forbes to go work out with Kawhi along with Dejounte.
That kid has some good stuff going on. I still wish he was a couple inches taller though... And had better defensive instincts, but whatcha gonna do?

Not every person out there is a Kawhi. That's why he's been #2 on the MVP list the last 2 years. Damn Spurs... you sho' be's lucky.

:toast

[ulosturedge]

On the one hand, he's played too well and has too clearly defined a role to be cut. On the other hand, they need another big and short of Ginobili or Simmons not returning, don't have a spot. Also, re-signing Mills and to a lesser extent drafting White more than likely blocks his path to ever becoming a rotation player . . . all the more reason why doing both of those things was unnecessary.

Had Tony Parker not got hurt they could have been more comfortable with letting Patty walk and letting all the young guys backup the point next season. What made the log jam was the fact that they drafted Derrick White. I heard one of the commentators in a spurs summer league game say that Utah dropped down in the draft to snag Tony Bradley and that could have very well been the pick the Spurs intended to make. Instead FO was forced to go BPA I guess.

Either way if Forbes can show to have some talent the FO could use him as a trade piece at worst. I hate seeing the FO let players walk and watch them flourish somewhere else. See Jamychal Green.

[TheGreatYacht]

So we got our American Ferrari? Or at least our high-reeving 2015-18 Flat-Plane Ford GT350?

One thing for sure, aside from his game it's clearly Forbes has been working on his body. He looks bigger.
Agreed, and it's not the Fathead type of bigger where he only gained baby fat and cranium width. Forbes looks cutter

http://video.kwesesports.com/images/made/images/uploads/nba/BrynForbesDribblesEDIT_1228_644_65.jpg

[TheDoctor]

Agreed, and it's not the Fathead type of bigger where he only gained baby fat and cranium width. Forbes looks cutter



Another 35pt+ game and he's gonna be picked for random drug test.

[raybies]

I think now the only hope of Forbes getting regular rotation minutes is Manu retiring.

If you start Patty/Green/Kawhi/Gay/LMA
You could put DJ/Forbes/Simmons/Anderson or Bertans/ Pau

I agree with those who say you can't play Patty and Forbes together. But if Manu returns, White will be in Austin all year and Forbes will ride the pine the majority of the season.

I prefer Bertans in the second unit for spacing. Anderson is really good imo but where will he fit. It's been the problem for a few years now. Anderson has seniority over Forbes so it will probably be DJ starting and Patty/Simmons/Anderson/Bertans/Pau playing the bench to start. And DJ starts. But a lot of the Spurs youth getting any real opportunity this year depends on if Manu retires.

[TheDoctor]

I think now the only hope of Forbes getting regular rotation minutes is Manu retiring.

If you start Patty/Green/Kawhi/Gay/LMA
You could put DJ/Forbes/Simmons/Anderson or Bertans/ Pau

I agree with those who say you can't play Patty and Forbes together. But if Manu returns, White will be in Austin all year and Forbes will ride the pine the majority of the season.

I prefer Bertans in the second unit for spacing. Anderson is really good imo but where will he fit. It's been the problem for a few years now. Anderson has seniority over Forbes so it will probably be DJ starting and Patty/Simmons/Anderson/Bertans/Pau playing the bench to start. And DJ starts. But a lot of the Spurs youth getting any real opportunity this year depends on if Manu retires.

Man every time I see "start" and "Patty" in the same sentence:

https://media.tenor.com/images/a29ed0028f041f8204f8812b4dc1c58d/tenor.gif

[TheGreatYacht]

Man every time I see "start" and "Patty" in the same sentence:

https://media.tenor.com/images/a29ed0028f041f8204f8812b4dc1c58d/tenor.gif
:lmao

[coachmac87]

PG-Mills, Murray, Parker
SG-Green, Forbes, White,
SF-Kawhi,Anderson,Blossomgame
PF-Gay, Bertans
C-LMA, Joff

That's the active depth chart IMO...Forbes/Murray will really be fighting for playing time when it's all said and done. Right now unexpectedly Forbes has taken that spot.

[pgardn]

Bottom line you have to be able to play well as an individual but most importantly, you must be able to play well WITH KL. The summer league does not tell us anything bout this. Forbes is not going to the foul line 17 times in an NBA game with Leonard. It would be great if he could actually create and shoot consistently in an NBA game while taking pressure off of, and getting easy shots for, Leonard.

[TheDoctor]

Bottom line you have to be able to play well as an individual but most importantly, you must be able to play well WITH KL. The summer league does not tell us anything bout this. Forbes is not going to the foul line 17 times in an NBA game with Leonard. It would be great if he could actually create and shoot consistently in an NBA game while taking pressure off of, and getting easy shots for, Leonard.

Kyrie Forbes?

[pgardn]

Kyrie Forbes?

Kyrie Forbes would actually have the right to go to the line 17 times in an NBA game. And Lebron Leonard would then have to turn into a major distributor.

[tbdog]

PG-Mills, Murray, Parker
SG-Green, Forbes, White,
SF-Kawhi,Anderson,Blossomgame
PF-Gay, Bertans
C-LMA, Joff

That's the active depth chart IMO...Forbes/Murray will really be fighting for playing time when it's all said and done. Right now unexpectedly Forbes has taken that spot.


Tbh, KA must be considered a full-time 4. With Simmons and Manu, we have a massive log jam at guards. It's possible that Simmons is our backup swing here in this situation and you probably don't have a better one available.

Are we going full on small?

[marinoman]

His (hopeful) continued success makes the patty signing look even worse.

[duncan2k5]

Ppl are reading waaaay too much into summer league

[ceperez]

Agreed, and it's not the Fathead type of bigger where he only gained baby fat and cranium width. Forbes looks cutter

http://video.kwesesports.com/images/made/images/uploads/nba/BrynForbesDribblesEDIT_1228_644_65.jpg

Curry like deltoids. Only now needs green light to start chucking it from midcourt!

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/02/09/sports/09curry_web1/09curry_web1-master768.jpg

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/137/files/2015/11/bryn-forbes-ncaa-basketball-ncaa-tournament-east-regional-louisville-vs-michigan-state1.jpg

[cutewizard]

Poor man's curry tbh

[jermaine]

Ppl are reading waaaay too much into summer league

Suck our dicks you faggot ass bitch made negative Nancy!! Lets us have our hopes an dreams... We know it's summer league, but its spurs summer league!

[jermaine]

Ppl are reading waaaay too much into summer league

You're a meaner!

[Fireball]

8 TOs

[duncan2k5]

8 TOs

[TheDoctor]

8 TOs
He just needs to do it in the Playoffs to be a Manu.

[look_at_g_shred]

He just needs to do it in the Playoffs to be a Manu.
Is the doctor in your AVI living in the 80's tbh?

[TheDoctor]

Is the doctor in your AVI living in the 80's tbh?
Late 80s/early 90s yeah hahaha
#Fresh

[Floyd Pacquiao]

He's like a Gary Neal, but with slightly better Athleticism. Although I think Neal was a better shooter

[duncan2k5]

We are overrating his shooting ability...he didnt shoot well in the actual NBA last year, AND he was gun shy...why are we comparing him to our old sniper Gary Neal, and our current sniper, Patty? He didnt even shoot as good as manu

[TheDoctor]

We are overrating his shooting ability...he didnt shoot well in the actual NBA last year, AND he was gun shy...why are we comparing him to our old sniper Gary Neal, and our current bricker, Patty? He didnt even shoot as good as manu
FIFY

[ginobilized]

It's always great to see players succeed. Hope he can continue to grow. I can see a Janero Pargo-like place for him in the league.

[SAGirl]

We are overrating his shooting ability...he didnt shoot well in the actual NBA last year, AND he was gun shy...why are we comparing him to our old sniper Gary Neal, and our current sniper, Patty? He didnt even shoot as good as manu
Wow what a hater...
This dude was all up on guys bc Simmons allegedly shot bad all season bc Pop didn't play him (lie) then gets on Forbes who really really didn't play for 95% of the season bc he allegedly can't shoot. Attempt and minutes were so limited there's little one can conclude yet...

[Chris]

This guy is a pure scorer!

[TheGreatYacht]

That fat Fatty Mills contract is looking dumber by the minute

[dabom]

Rio 2016 :lol


Patty dropping bombs on US mens team. Forbes scoring in SL. :lmao

5
*P. Mills
34:26
30
11/22 50%



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17:14
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31

[dabom]

I wont talk about forbes anymore. He ain't on that level.

[tonight...you]

Rio 2016 :lol


Patty dropping bombs on US mens team. Forbes scoring in SL. :lmao

5
*P. Mills
34:26
30
11/22 50%



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34:41
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2
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I'm hoping and praying for the Pelicans to fail miserably.
I would love for Boogie to play under a father-figure like Pop, which he needs and seems like he would accept.
I can see a transformed Boogie on the Spurs, but the Pelicans need to fail and fail hard first.

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEqy2hXeG4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEqy2hXeG4U

[Snaq O'Meal]

I'm hoping and praying for the Pelicans to fail miserably.
I would love for Boogie to play under a father-figure like Pop, which he needs and seems like he would accept.
I can see a transformed Boogie on the Spurs, but the Pelicans need to fail and fail hard first.

The Pelicans didn't win too many games despite that Boogie-Unibrow tandem putting up good numbers. If they still don't gel, you may get your wish.

[rjv]

Worst ST summer league performance ever.

[dabom]

Worst ST summer league performance ever.

One of the worst mods around.

[tonight...you]

The Pelicans didn't win too many games despite that Boogie-Unibrow tandem putting up good numbers. If they still don't gel, you may get your wish.
Cue the lame white kid and his dog praying gif.

[Mr. Body]

I'm hoping and praying for the Pelicans to fail miserably.
I would love for Boogie to play under a father-figure like Pop, which he needs and seems like he would accept.
I can see a transformed Boogie on the Spurs, but the Pelicans need to fail and fail hard first.

Dude, Cousins is never, ever going to be transformed. Get a new wish.

[TimDunkem]

One of the worst mods around.
That fuck is a mod? :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Worst ST summer league performance ever.
But enough about Bertans

[dabom]

That fuck is a mod? :lol

The guys that pinked thegrwatfaggot. :lol

[Mr. Body]

I'm impressed as fuck by Forbes. Good for him. Not sure if this translates into league play, but I'm impressed.

[tonight...you]

Dude, Cousins is never, ever going to be transformed. Get a new wish.
Probably right. Which is what makes my wish a wish, right? Not an expectation. But who cares about details, yes?
Not here... That's Fo' Sho'.

[Mr. Body]

Probably right. Which is what makes my wish a wish, right? Not an expectation. But who cares about details, yes?
Not here... That's Fo' Sho'.

Fair enough.

[rjv]

One of the worst mods around. fuzzy logic.

[apalisoc_9]

Forbes just needs to be a willing shooter.

Let's see if he can let it fly when Bigger names are in the game.

[dabom]

fuzzy logic.

I thought he said "the" instead of "that". I didn't mean to accuse you.

You're like a special ed mod. At least you understand you're a mod. :lol

[tonight...you]

I thought he said "the" instead of "that". I didn't mean to accuse you.

You're like a special ed mod. At least you understand you're a mod. :lol
Dude... what's up with your mod thing?
Who gives a shit? This is Spurstalk and we all know why (at least the vets) and how shit is given to whom.
Goob and Kory run this shit and they have run it consistently for a coon's age.

You've been more influential than most, so you should be proud of the stamp you've put on this site already.

[picnroll]

Have to be impressed that Chip told Barry Forbes is the purest shooter he's ever worked with. Engullund has worked with some damn good shooters. Forbes should get some good looks in the regular season. Between him and Mills it improves the chances that one of them is hot on any given night.

[dabom]

Dude... what's up with your mod thing?
Who gives a shit? This is Spurstalk and we all know why (at least the vets) and how shit is given to whom.
Goob and Kory run this shit and they have run it consistently for a coon's age.

You've been more influential than most, so you should be proud of the stamp you've put on this site already.

Thanks brah.

Anyways I like saying it cause he pretended to not delete his posts without people noticing. Pretty funny. He was trying to hide his mod status. :lol

[tonight...you]

Have to be impressed that Chip told Barry Forbes is the purest shooter he's ever worked with. Engullund has worked with some damn good shooters. Forbes should get some good looks in the regular season. Between him and Mills it improves the chances that one of them is hot on any given night.
You just know Chip is telling Pop, just put this guy in a place to make a shot and he'll not disappoint.

I would like a coach to tell Pop- Let this guy take the wheel for 30-40 games and see how spacing and the team, as a whole gels.

[tonight...you]

Thanks brah.

Anyways I like saying it cause he pretended to not delete his posts without people noticing. Pretty funny. He was trying to hide his mod status. :lol
Keep on, keeping on brother. you're one of the many reasons I stick around.

[picnroll]

All Forbes needs is some Warriors style moving screens and he's set.

[dabom]

rjv its cool dude. It's not as bad as you think. Next time hit the edit button instead. :lol

[sasaint]

You just know Chip is telling Pop, just put this guy in a place to make a shot and he'll not disappoint.

I would like a coach to tell Pop- Let this guy take the wheel for 30-40 games and see how spacing and the team, as a whole gels.

With Tony laid up, Dijon rolling snake eyes and White being a rookie, you may get your wish.

[tonight...you]

With Tony laid up, Dijon rolling snake eyes and White being a rookie, you may get your wish.
I can only hope...

[tonight...you]

All Forbes needs is some Warriors style moving screens and he's set.
Lauvergne and Bogut, we stacked. Plays called with a screen will be executed with perfection. Shooters and cutters will be open.

[picnroll]

Lauvergne and Bogut, we stacked. Plays called with a screen will be executed with perfection. Shooters and cutters will be open.

Only problem is nobody gets a pass on moving screens (and outright shoves) like the Warriors do.

[sasaint]

I can only hope...

A bunch of us, tbh. Our PG situation is so fouled up, though, that it doesn't seem totally impossible or ridiculous. Pop would love to be in a position to keep Patty with the second unit, so I do expect Bryn to to get some run with the starters. If he continues to impress as he is in SL, who knows?

[tonight...you]

Only problem is nobody gets a pass on moving screens (and outright shoves) like the Warriors do.
Don't you be saying that shit right now homie...
Don't be ruining my sleep!

[Spur|n|Austin]

Forbes has been straight balling. Albeit against DLeague scrubs, but still - I think it's promising in a department where there's not much promise at all for us.

[tonight...you]

A bunch of us, tbh. Our PG situation is so fouled up, though, that it doesn't seem totally impossible or ridiculous. Pop would love to be in a position to keep Patty with the second unit, so I do expect Bryn to to get some run with the starters. If he continues to impress as he is in SL, who knows?
The first 60 games are going to be him trying to figure shit out. It would be cool for Bryn to succeed, but it would be 10 times cooler for Murray to succeed. HE has more natural skiils, but if they don't function on the court... well. Go with what does function on the court, to the gameplan.

[sasaint]

The first 60 games are going to be him trying to figure shit out. It would be cool for Bryn to succeed, but it would be 10 times cooler for Murray to succeed. HE has more natural skiils, but if they don't function on the court... well. Go with what does function on the court, to the gameplan.

I hear you about Dijon. In truth, he was more impressive against the Dubs than he has been in SL. Training camp and pre-season will soon be here. That's where I expect us to see the real Dijon/Forbes duel

[Snaq O'Meal]

I hear you about Dijon. In truth, he was more impressive against the Dubs than he has been in SL. Training camp and pre-season will soon be here. That's where I expect us to see the real Dijon/Forbes duel

The Warriors weren't targetting him in those extended garbage minutes. You'll only know how good he really is when defences are keyed in on him.

[sasaint]

The Warriors weren't targetting him in those extended garbage minutes. You'll only know how good he really is when defences are keyed in on him.

While the Dubs were obviously not keying on Dijon, with Tony and Kawhi gone, he was playing more than garbage minutes. Bottom line is they were still the Dubs while SL opponents are still the scrubs.

[ceperez]

https://sports.yahoo.com/summer-league-star-bryn-forbes-may-spurs-latest-hidden-gem-222822928.html

"After receiving a surprising 24 minutes for injury-plagued San Antonio in the final game of the Western Conference finals, Forbes returned home to Lansing in late May and immediately turned his attention toward preparing for the Summer League. He knew it was a massive opportunity to prove himself, something he’s had to do at every level since high school."

[ceperez]

https://www.theonlycolors.com/2017/7/11/15956650/bryn-forbes-drops-35-trail-blazers

"Bryn Forbes cannot be stopped."

[BatManu20]

Simmons back to the Spurs confirmed. :downspin:

884944888617480192

[Seventyniner]

A lot of those moves Forbes made in the Portland game should work against NBA-level defenses too. Coming off a screen and launching a 3 Steph Curry style is very hard to defend, especially if Forbes has any sort of driving/in-between game. If Forbes can keep it up, a Forbes/Manu/Gay/Anderson/Lauvergne bench lineup has a lot of complementary skillsets, though the defense would be iffy.

[Mr. Body]

Forbes is a player with no chance in this league ten years ago. A guy his size? No way. But in the current NBA he has a legitimate chance to be an effective player.

[tonight...you]

Forbes is a player with no chance in this league ten years ago. A guy his size? No way. But in the current NBA he has a legitimate chance to be an effective player.
Yeah, and it's tough for NBA coaches to get with.
This is the new times and coaches have been doing their shit for so long, it's tough to move as fast as the overall talent-shift and where it's going.

Here we go baby...

[benefactor]

:lol ST
:lol thinking some nobody can replace Patty because Summer League

Again, never change.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol ST
:lol thinking some nobody can replace Patty because Summer League

Again, never change.
Let's not act like Mills is irreplaceable, tbh. All he does is shoot

[TimDunkem]

:lol No shit. Patty was a bench warmer before the Spurs picked him up and made him lose weight. Guys like him come in and out of the league all the time. Hardly irreplaceable.

[dabom]

:lol ST
:lol thinking some nobody can replace Patty because Summer League

Again, never change.

:lol

[steeledl]

I wish Murray could shoot like this kid.

[SPURt]

Forbes is a player with no chance in this league ten years ago. A guy his size? No way. But in the current NBA he has a legitimate chance to be an effective player.
Forbes is 6'3, same size as Curry, bigger than Patty Mills, AI, Jason "White Chocolate" Williams, Starbury, Piston's Isiah Thomas, same size as Steve Francis and one inch shorter than Gary Payton or Gilbert Arenas. It might be that Forbes lack of defense causes people to assume he is undersized.

Forbes has been playing point guard in Vegas. His handles, penetration, and ability to get to the line have allowed him to dominate scrubs. Whether that translates to the regular season i don't think will be predicated on his size.

[steeledl]

This guy does look like Patty. He has a redundant skillset if he proves he can perform at the NBA level but if he can then Patty is just a moveable asset.

[HarlemHeat37]

The way people here change their expectations on the fly is astonishing, tbh:lol

On Monday, only the playoff shooting %s matter..the next day, the longer RS sample size is the only indicator of shooting ability..Wednesday, it's only the series vs. the Warriors that has any relevance..now it's shooting in fucking Summer League:lol

[benefactor]

Let's not act like Mills is irreplaceable, tbh. All he does is shoot
Against NBA players tbh...Forbes might carve out a similar niche eventually, but lets not get carried away.

[benefactor]

The way people here change their expectations on the fly is astonishing, tbh:lol

On Monday, only the playoff shooting %s matter..the next day, the longer RS sample size is the only indicator of shooting ability..Wednesday, it's only the series vs. the Warriors that has any relevance..now it's shooting in fucking Summer League:lol


Again, never change.

[steeledl]

If he had something else..... good size, better athlete, decent defense, great vision.... then I'd be stoked. He seems a really good shooter... what is his next best skill that could translate to the NBA?

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[cutewizard]

Could he be our starting pg????

[BatManu20]

I wish Murray could shoot like this kid.

If he could, he wouldn't be a Spur. Would've gone Top 10.

[Mr. Body]

Forbes is 6'3, same size as Curry, bigger than Patty Mills, AI, Jason "White Chocolate" Williams, Starbury, Piston's Isiah Thomas, same size as Steve Francis and one inch shorter than Gary Payton or Gilbert Arenas. It might be that Forbes lack of defense causes people to assume he is undersized.

Forbes has been playing point guard in Vegas. His handles, penetration, and ability to get to the line have allowed him to dominate scrubs. Whether that translates to the regular season i don't think will be predicated on his size.

You highly overrate him, and the only player he compares with athletically and size-and-strength wise is Curry. He's not as quick as Mills.

[Solid D]

Forbes is a player with no chance in this league ten years ago. A guy his size? No way. But in the current NBA he has a legitimate chance to be an effective player.

Probably so. Patty Mills "6'0"," Bryn Forbes "6'3"," Steph Curry "6'3"."

[BD24]

:lol ST
:lol thinking some nobody can replace Patty because Summer League

Again, never change.
TBH. Brynn can't do this against NBA level competition, but hey lets get excited because he put up a bunch of points against scrubs in summer leageu. :rolleyes

[steeledl]

If he could, he wouldn't be a Spur. Would've gone Top 10.

I wish Murray had learn to shoot like this from his draft day until now?

[MaNu4Tres]

To be fair, Forbes has made significant improvements in his overall game. Hes scoring in other ways than just shooting. That wasnt there last year. Its encouraging to see even in Summer League tbh.

[Mr. Body]

To be fair, Forbes has made significant improvements in his overall game. Hes scoring in other ways than just shooting. That wasnt there last year. Its encouraging to see even in Summer League tbh.

Yeah, he's improved across the board. He's not just a spot up shooter.

[SAGirl]

While the Dubs were obviously not keying on Dijon, with Tony and Kawhi gone, he was playing more than garbage minutes. Bottom line is they were still the Dubs while SL opponents are still the scrubs.
He still shot very inefficiently and still had many bad shots... but he did connect on some well challenged layups and more impressive to me came up with loose balls, steals on deflected balls and made some defensive plays, which the other guards were incapable of. My hope was more based on his hunger and competition than him actually shooting well. Ppl continue to discredit what guys achieved there. Steals and rebounds were still steals and rebounds and those were still the playoffs and the dubs were still the dubs. I tended to attribute some bad choices to the fact bc he was coming back from injury he didn't necessarily have rhythm... He may yet get it together but not based on what he's shown here. He has to work harder. Hopefully he's been made hungrier.

[Spurs9]

:lol ST
:lol thinking some nobody can replace Patty because Summer League

Again, never change.
:lol start paddy krew and the paddy front office

[SAGirl]

The way people here change their expectations on the fly is astonishing, tbh:lol

On Monday, only the playoff shooting %s matter..the next day, the longer RS sample size is the only indicator of shooting ability..Wednesday, it's only the series vs. the Warriors that has any relevance..now it's shooting in fucking Summer League:lol
Nah it don't matter if you are slowmo. I don't think he would have outlived getting benched in the summer league Dijon Murray style. At least 10 troll treads every day of summer league would be created. That Shit is predictable...

[SAGirl]

If he had something else..... good size, better athlete, decent defense, great vision.... then I'd be stoked. He seems a really good shooter... what is his next best skill that could translate to the NBA?
3 pt shooting is so important nowadays that what can you say about Davis Bertans for example? Yeah he's taller but he can't grab a rebound for shit, he competes but he's a lightweight. He can Maybe be a secondary playmaker but so far has more TO than asissts. He's ok but Bryn can generate his own offense Bertans can't. However he's a very dangerous sniper... that makes up for a ton of other mediocrity...

[MaNu4Tres]

Nah it don't matter if you are slowmo. I don't think he would have outlived getting benched in the summer league Dijon Murray style. At least 10 troll treads every day of summer league would be created. That Shit is predictable...

Serious question, are you related to Kyle? ( not bsing).

[SAGirl]

Serious question, are you related to Kyle? ( not bsing).
Nah but I am peeved at the double standard ... which fine everyone has their peeves...

[sasaint]

He still shot very inefficiently and still had many bad shots... but he did connect on some well challenged layups and more impressive to me came up with loose balls, steals on deflected balls and made some defensive plays, which the other guards were incapable of. My hope was more based on his hunger and competition than him actually shooting well. Ppl continue to discredit what guys achieved there. Steals and rebounds were still steals and rebounds and those were still the playoffs and the dubs were still the dubs. I tended to attribute some bad choices to the fact bc he was coming back from injury he didn't necessarily have rhythm... He may yet get it together but not based on what he's shown here. He has to work harder. Hopefully he's been made hungrier.

I agree. Except for a couple of offensive flashes (flukes?) Dijon's main assets has been his length, quickness and bounce, which have manifested themselves in some very nice defensive plays and rebounds. I hope his SL experience has made him not just hungrier, but more self-aware. He is not a gem, and perhaps he now realizes that he has some flaws that need polishing before he can shine like one.

[MaNu4Tres]

Nah but I am peeved at the double standard ... which fine everyone has their peeves...

To be fair, Kyle has been very inconsistent his 3 yrs here. Still no shot. His defense has been more solid, I give him that.

[ulosturedge]

Weren't people saying Jonathan Simmons was a waste of time? And look how far he has come. He was contributing more in the playoffs then LMA did, and LMA was suppose to be 1B on our roster. What is Danny Green doing out there to contribute to the offense nowadays? Not sure why people are hating on Forbes.

I'm thinking Spur fan is in one of two camps. Either they think any accomplishments from Forbes will delay the Crowning of Murray while the other camp of cynics are thinking we are trying to say Forbes is our answer at starting point guard.

Personally i'm just saying he seems to pass the eye test for what the FO brought him in for and that is shooting. No reason not to believe he couldn't be molded in the same way Patty Mills was.

[SAGirl]

To be fair, Kyle has been very inconsistent his 3 yrs here. Still no shot. His defense has been more solid, I give him that.
Pop has also been very inconsistent in roles for him and his time in spots has fluctuated more than most. Still criticism is warranted. He's not flawless...

[steeledl]

Pop has also been very inconsistent in roles for him and his time in spots has fluctuated more than most. Still criticism is warranted. He's not flawless...


If he can't find a role on this years rosters with a bunch of square pegs trying to fit into circle holes..... he his lost.

Im curious as to what role you think Kyle will excel in? Still haven't seen him play a role I felt like he was worth consistent minutes on a good team.

[MaNu4Tres]

Nah but I am peeved at the double standard ... which fine everyone has their peeves...

Imo..Reason why youre not seeing people call out DJ or Bertans is bc they were rookies. And DJ actually showed really nice promise during his rookie yr, hes just struggling after 4 SL games

[BatManu20]

Forgot about this performance last year.

-dAo4OkrQCE

[palangi]

If he can't find a role on this years rosters with a bunch of square pegs trying to fit into circle holes..... he his lost.

Im curious as to what role you think Kyle will excel in? Still haven't seen him play a role I felt like he was worth consistent minutes on a good team.

I actually line kyle at the backup 4 spot. Kind of like a Diaw type roll.

[SilverSpur]

Can you imagine what would be written if he were playing bad.?
Give the kid a break. He was undrafted and working his way through summer league , D league, training camp and developing nicely.
This is how Devin Brown ,Gary Neal, Cory Joseph and Johnathan Simmons started, among others.
Can't wait for Manu to retire so Forbes gets more playing time

[steeledl]

I actually line kyle at the backup 4 spot. Kind of like a Diaw type roll.

I mean, given our current roster... I hope he can play that roll. I dont think he is as skilled, confident, or athletic as Diaw.... even fat Diaw. But We don't have a lot of options at that spot so he will get a shot.

[steeledl]

Can't wait for Manu to retire

So everyone gets more playing time.

[BatManu20]

Give the kid a break. He was undrafted and working his way through summer league , D league, training camp and developing nicely.
This is how Gary Neal, Cory Joseph and Johnathan Simmons started, among others.
Can't wait for Manu to retire so Forbes gets more playing time.


:tu

[sasaint]

To be fair, Kyle has been very inconsistent his 3 yrs here. Still no shot. His defense has been more solid, I give him that.

Inconsistent role has contributed to his inconsistent play - a lot for Pop to have thrown at, what, a 20-21 year old. This year will see him concentrate on being a 4. He either makes it or we move on. He has been a cheap minutes sop so far.

[palangi]

I mean, given our current roster... I hope he can play that roll. I dont think he is as skilled, confident, or athletic as Diaw.... even fat Diaw. But We don't have a lot of options at that spot so he will get a shot.

I think you view is too slanted and your emotion on this subject is to high to give rationale responses. You're hating to hate.

[SAGirl]

Imo..Reason why youre not seeing people call out DJ or Bertans is bc they were rookies. And DJ actually showed really nice promise during his rookie yr, hes just struggling after 4 SL games
Nah but that's fine. I have long accepted the bias. KA barely played his first season was a very young dude. Had to learn to shoot and play a different position etc. Had a nice summer league his sophomore season and the criticism and trolling was around then. By now I am very jaded ... and don't really mind guys schticks... you know shticks are regular here... so it's fine by me. But I will point things out occasionally.

[TheGreatYacht]

Can you imagine what would be written if he were playing bad.?
Give the kid a break. He was undrafted and working his way through summer league , D league, training camp and developing nicely.
This is how Devin Brown ,Gary Neal, Cory Joseph and Johnathan Simmons started, among others.
Can't wait for Manu to retire so Forbes gets more playing time
This.

The posters that are criticizing him for dropping 70pts in 2 games are the same retards that bashed him in previous pages in this thread. They already gave their opinion of him and they don't wanna look like idiots. It's the reason Bertans literally receives ZERO criticism for being mostly awful so far, they were blowing that guy's pipes when he was in Europe and swore he was NBA ready.

:lol Hating on an undrafted guy leading the SL in scoring and is on a minimum contract, just because they don't wanna be wrong

[DenialTwist]

Watch the Warriors pick him up if the Spurs let him go.

[duncan2k5]

You just know Chip is telling Pop, just put this guy in a place to make a shot and he'll not disappoint.

I would like a coach to tell Pop- Let this guy take the wheel for 30-40 games and see how spacing and the team, as a whole gels.

How would that be different from patty.......?

[duncan2k5]

The Warriors weren't targetting him in those extended garbage minutes. You'll only know how good he really is when defences are keyed in on him.

Like the cave game?

[duncan2k5]

I wish Murray had learn to shoot like this from his draft day until now?

Tony parker took YEARS...almost a decade...to have a decent jumper...it isn't even good to this day...just decent...and u want Murray to do that in one season? Lolol

[ceperez]

This.

The posters that are criticizing him for dropping 70pts in 2 games are the same retards that bashed him in previous pages in this thread. They already gave their opinion of him and they don't wanna look like idiots. It's the reason Bertans literally receives ZERO criticism for being mostly awful so far, they were blowing that guy's pipes when he was in Europe and swore he was NBA ready.

:lol Hating on an undrafted guy leading the SL in scoring and is on a minimum contract, just because they don't wanna be wrong

The hate is big time ridiculous. So what if he doesn't pass the 'eye-test'? The guys is racking up a ton of numbers in 5 SL games. If he keeps this up, he'll be the MVP of the SL league.

Two seasons ago, they had Kyle Anderson play a ton of minutes in SL. Spurs are doing the same with Forbes and seeing the extent of his limits.

Kyle Anderson however had Simmons to help him win games. Forbes has nobody and still scoring!

[ceperez]

Forgot about this performance last year.

-dAo4OkrQCE

NBA competition... did you see how he shot against two Mavs defenders?

He's playing the same game against SL competition and cannot be stopped! Actually, he's much better now going mid range and to the hoop. Once he masters Parker's tear drop, he's going to be ridiculous to shut down.

[duncan2k5]

NBA competition... did you see how he shot against two Mavs defenders?

He's playing the same game against SL competition and cannot be stopped! Actually, he's much better now going mid range and to the hoop. Once he masters Parker's tear drop, he's going to be ridiculous to shut down.

One game...vs the mavs...at the end of the season when games didnt matter for either team...he was really bad the entire rest of the season and playoffs...plus his skill set is the same as patty's, except worse

[Chinook]

This.

The posters that are criticizing him for dropping 70pts in 2 games are the same retards that bashed him in previous pages in this thread. They already gave their opinion of him and they don't wanna look like idiots. It's the reason Bertans literally receives ZERO criticism for being mostly awful so far, they were blowing that guy's pipes when he was in Europe and swore he was NBA ready.

:lol Hating on an undrafted guy leading the SL in scoring and is on a minimum contract, just because they don't wanna be wrong

Yeah, it's kind of absurd.

"He can't do this against NBA competition."

He doesn't have to. Instead of beating guys one-on-one, he can attack close-outs. He can get open shots from other guys. If anything, it's pretty amazing how much better he's become since he came over, considering he's about to turn 24.

I think saying he's making Mills expendable is a bit much. But people are acting as if he hasn't been Gary Neal good so far, and Neal was able to make the transition just fine.

[benefactor]

One game...vs the mavs...at the end of the season when games didnt matter for either team...he was really bad the entire rest of the season and playoffs...plus his skill set is the same as patty's, except worse
ceperez falls in love with every scrub player that comes to SA. Hell...he was even fluffing Jimmer.:lol

[Chinook]

ceperez falls in love with every scrub player that comes to SA. Hell...he was even fluffing Jimmer.:lol

Was he one the Daye train too? I know littlecoyotecoin was.

[ceperez]

Yeah, it's kind of absurd.

"He can't do this against NBA competition."

He doesn't have to. Instead of beating guys one-on-one, he can attack close-outs. He can get open shots from other guys. If anything, it's pretty amazing how much better he's become since he came over, considering he's about to turn 24.

I think saying he's making Mills expendable is a bit much. But people are acting as if he hasn't been Gary Neal good so far, and Neal was able to make the transition just fine.

I think Forbes is learning a lot from his teammates. He plays with the kind of abandon like Mills. I guess he does all this yelling like Pau. I am sure he'll pick up a ton of tricks of how to get to the paint like Parker. Yeah, he isn't that athletic, but you can see that he's like a sponge and learning all he can. To add, he already comes with a deadly shot. That's for many other players needs years of development.

Against NBA competition, the one on one defender is likely to be better than SL. However, he's not going to get the kind of defensive attention. He's not going to get double teamed.

People keep comparing him with Murray. Sure Murray might have better one-on-one moves but how does that translate to an NBA game when he'll mostly be off the ball and be at the bottom of the pecking order when it comes to offense?

[duncan2k5]

I think Forbes is learning a lot from his teammates. He plays with the kind of abandon like Mills. I guess he does all this yelling like Pau. I am sure he'll pick up a ton of tricks of how to get to the paint like Parker. Yeah, he isn't that athletic, but you can see that he's like a sponge and learning all he can. To add, he already comes with a deadly shot. That's for many other players needs years of development.

Against NBA competition, the one on one defender is likely to be better than SL. However, he's not going to get the kind of defensive attention. He's not going to get double teamed.

People keep comparing him with Murray. Sure Murray might have better one-on-one moves but how does that translate to an NBA game when he'll mostly be off the ball and be at the bottom of the pecking order when it comes to offense?

Off the ball? Murray is a drive and kick player...like tony parker...

[Snaq O'Meal]

Tony parker took YEARS...almost a decade...to have a decent jumper...it isn't even good to this day...just decent...and u want Murray to do that in one season? Lolol

Porker's jumper has been decent all along. It was certainly better than Manu's early in their NBA careers when the SG couldn't shoot while the PG couldn't pass.

Murray's jumper (if he actually has one) is a different story altogether.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Off the ball? Murray is a drive and kick player...like tony parker...

Porker had gravity because of his accurate floater and a variety of finishing moves in the paint.

Murray won't be anywhere near as effective.

[ceperez]

Was he one the Daye train too? I know littlecoyotecoin was.

I was hoping Daye would come out okay, I guess not.

I'm not a fan of every SA scrub, right now I'm on the fence with Murray. He looks talented but apparently can't shoot.

I've never been a fan of Aldridge, that's for sure.

Not a fan of the Pau signing, would have preferred to have Boris and Boban on the team instead.

Definitely not a fan of last years play. Sickening.

The previous year had more promise, but we couldn't matchup against OKC bigs. But that team would have had a better chance against GSW.

[cd98]

Tony parker took YEARS...almost a decade...to have a decent jumper...it isn't even good to this day...just decent...and u want Murray to do that in one season? Lolol

Parker developed a potent midrange jumper, which is one of the reasons he ranks top 10 in NBA history for FG% for a PG. that said, he couldn't hit a barn the first few years, and it hurt the team. But in fairness, he was an elite finisher at the rim even at 19. Murray can't shoot or finish at the rim. He is raw and has yet to show how he can exist in the Spurs system that needs its pg to dribble, pass, shoot and penetrate into the paint.

[ceperez]

Parker developed a potent midrange jumper, which is one of the reasons he ranks top 10 in NBA history for FG% for a PG. that said, he couldn't hit a barn the first few years, and it hurt the team. But in fairness, he was an elite finisher at the rim even at 19. Murray can't shoot or finish at the rim. He is raw and has yet to show how he can exist in the Spurs system that needs its pg to dribble, pass, shoot and penetrate into the paint.

Parker had elite handles from day one. So its not only that Murray can't shoot, he can't dribble!

His one elite skill is rebounding.

He's kind of like a Dennis Rodman player. Lots of athleticism, but very little skill.

However, as Detroit has shown, specialists can be important players. I just don't know how it translates in this day and age.

GSW fixed their problems with Memphis by leaving Tony Allen by himself.

[duncan2k5]

Parker had elite handles from day one. So its not only that Murray can't shoot, he can't dribble!

His one elite skill is rebounding.

He's kind of like a Dennis Rodman player. Lots of athleticism, but very little skill.

However, as Detroit has shown, specialists can be important players. I just don't know how it translates in this day and age.

GSW fixed their problems with Memphis by leaving Tony Allen by himself.

I dont think you know what elite handles are...curry has elite handles....cp3 has elite handles...Iverson has elite handles...tony Parker just had decent handles

[apalisoc_9]

I dont think you know what elite handles are...curry has elite handles....cp3 has elite handles...Iverson has elite handles...tony Parker just had decent handles

Cmon bro. Tony has elite handling skills.

[duncan2k5]

Cmon bro. Tony has elite handling skills.

Elite?? Tony parker has ELITE ball handling skills? Lmfao! So I guess Mark Jackson had ELITE ball handling skills then? Elite is the level of the names I mentioned earlier...Iverson, cp3, curry, even Crawford... Tony parker can't dribble better than then...dont be a homer...decent/good ball handling doesn't equate to ELITE ball handling on ANY day

[lebomb]

Kyrie has the best handles in the NBA. The professor overall.

[cd98]

Elite?? Tony parker has ELITE ball handling skills? Lmfao! So I guess Mark Jackson had ELITE ball handling skills then? Elite is the level of the names I mentioned earlier...Iverson, cp3, curry, even Crawford... Tony parker can't dribble better than then...dont be a homer...decent/good ball handling doesn't equate to ELITE ball handling on ANY day

What?! This isn't the And-1 league. Sure Parker may not be the best at dribbling two balls at once, but in NBA games, he handles the ball against pressure and rarely ever gets his pocket picked. That's elite. There are guys that occasionally get picked , and then there's Murray, who gives every defender that leans into him a chance to steal the ball or he gets in the paint and tries to do And 1 garbage until someone picks his pocket or he turns it over.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

What?! This isn't the And-1 league. Sure Parker may not be the best at dribbling two balls at once, but in NBA games, he handles the ball against pressure and rarely ever gets his pocket picked. That's elite. There are guys that occasionally get picked , and then there's Murray, who gives every defender that leans into him a chance to steal the ball or he gets in the paint and tries to do And 1 garbage until someone picks his pocket or he turns it over.

duncan2k5's entire schtick is shitting on anyone and anything Spurs. Kind of like Hoops Czar but with a weird D Murray obsession.

[steeledl]

I dont think you know what elite handles are...curry has elite handles....cp3 has elite handles...Iverson has elite handles...tony Parker just had decent handles

Sorry. Tony had elite handles.

[picnroll]

Parker had two elite skills, speed/quickness and ability to finish at the basket, good enough to make him a multi-time all-star. Forbes has one elite skill, shooting, quite possibly good enough to parlay him into a functional rotation player.

[Rob123]

I dont think you know what elite handles are...curry has elite handles....cp3 has elite handles...Iverson has elite handles...tony Parker just had decent handles

Bro this is fucking stupid. Parkers handles were absolutely elite.

[Ice009]

TP was a fantastic ball handler. I think he was elite. Sure, he didn't have the flashy moves, but he was a darn good ball handler for most of his career.

[John B]

Forbes ball handling was Night and Day from last year summer league. Before he was just catch and shoot. Now he creates for himself and for everybody, always on the attack mode. And his demeanor, no fancy trying to be cute -- almost like Kawhi. I rooted for him last year. With his shooting skills, we might have found our 6th man. Mills can now start. And Murray? He hasn't shown me anything yet. I would prefer him because he's long and could match better defensively with Simmons/Kawhi/Green. But again he needs to show up

[SPURt]

You highly overrate him, and the only player he compares with athletically and size-and-strength wise is Curry. He's not as quick as Mills.
I wasn't comparing game or any other attribute. Just saying Forbes isn't as small as many effective players from any era of the league. Forbes hasn't proven he can contribute anywhere close to his Summer League performance in the NBA. It's like he gets in an actual NBA game and he gets the yips.

[sasaint]

TP was a fantastic ball handler. I think he was elite. Sure, he didn't have the flashy moves, but he was a darn good ball handler for most of his career.

"Elite" is one of the most subjective terms used around here. Tony was never flashy or tricky, but when he entered the league he was a blur with a basketball. If he had demonstrated the kind of flashy dribbling skill that many posters call "elite", Pop would have kept him on the bench. His handles were good enough to be PG on the most elite team of the last 20+ years.

[sasaint]

I wasn't comparing game or any other attribute. Just saying Forbes isn't as small as many effective players from any era of the league. Forbes hasn't proven he can contribute anywhere close to his Summer League performance in the NBA. It's like he got in an actual NBA game and he got the yips.

FIFY. Let's see what happens going forward.

[hater]

I dont think you know what elite handles are...curry has elite handles....cp3 has elite handles...Iverson has elite handles...tony Parker just had decent handles

:lmao stupidest post of the summer so far