If Lebron and the Cavs beat this Warriors Superteam...

[siraulo23]

Is he the GOAT? Despite 3 finals losses

Does he surpass MJ?

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Simply put:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

James: 4

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi will beat them all and surpass kobe in the alltime great this season.

[Tully365]

Kawhi will beat them all and surpass kobe in the alltime great this season.

With one good year, Kawhi will surpass LeBron's entire career?

[apalisoc_9]

With one good year, Kawhi will surpass LeBron's entire career?

You're a moron

[Tully365]

Two of LeBron's losses in the finals are completely meaningless.

In 2007, it was him and 4 starters who were all bench players. Plus Larry Hughes was playing hurt. No way that team was gonna beat Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Barry, etc...

Last year, He went up against G.S. with two of his starters not playing due to injury.

Btw, he has 4 loses in the finals, not 3: 2 againt the Spurs, one against Dallas, & one against G.S.

[Tully365]

You're a moron

You're so emo:lol

[oh crap]

nope

[siraulo23]

Two of LeBron's losses in the finals are completely meaningless.

In 2007, it was him and 4 starters who were all bench players. Plus Larry Hughes was playing hurt. No way that team was gonna beat Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Barry, etc...

Last year, He went up against G.S. with two of his starters not playing due to injury.

Btw, he has 4 loses in the finals, not 3: 2 againt the Spurs, one against Dallas, & one against G.S.

I didnt count the 07' loss :lol

But yes you could argue, lebron's only legit losses in the finals was '11 vs the Mavs and '14

IMO if lebron pulls this off, the conversation/Lebron vs MJ debate is gonna be very interesting and IMO will actually be warranted for once

[Tully365]

I didnt count the 07' loss :lol

But yes you could argue, lebron's only legit losses in the finals was '11 vs the Mavs and '14

IMO if lebron pulls this off, the conversation/Lebron vs MJ debate is gonna be very interesting and IMO will actually be warranted for once

MJ never had to beat a team in the finals that was clearly better than his, or had 16 more regular season wins than his team. But, yeah, it's hard to argue a perfect 6-0 in the finals.

[Killakobe81]

He would have a case ...

[Raven]

Kawhi will beat them all and surpass kobe in the alltime great this season.

i agree

[K...]

i agree

It's not controversial if you assume kawhi will remain good throughout his prime. He only needs one non Duncan title to show he's an all time great

[ambchang]

No. He could have if he stayed in college and matured his game before going to the NBA, but he didn't.

[Raven]

It's not controversial if you assume kawhi will remain good throughout his prime. He only needs one non Duncan title to show he's an all time great

he doesn't even need that, just 7 years of being a constant DPOY candidate/winner and two titles will be more than enough. He can retire when he's 30 and he'll already be far ahead of kirby.

[Clipper Nation]

LeBron is already the GOAT. Kareem and Timmy are also way better than that chucker DK, real talk.

[DMC]

Simply put:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

James: 4

We've had this discussion. Kobe is retired. I don't see MJ listed in there.

[whitemamba]

Simply put:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

James: 4

[JoeTait75]

Doesn't matter how many titles LeBron or anyone else wins, there are going to be a lot of people out there who will have MJ at #1 no matter what and nothing will change their mind. MJ as GOAT has pretty much been cast in stone.

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We've had this discussion. Kobe is retired. I don't see MJ listed in there.

That's your end.

[Killakobe81]

LeBron is already the GOAT. Kareem and Timmy are also way better than that chucker DK, real talk.

Did you just say Tim is greater than Jordan?!!!
:lol:rollin

LEbron may someday get there ...but no one else is close except maybe Jabbar

[Tully365]

I love LeBron, but there have been a few times in the past when he has looked defeated on the court-- that's something I never saw from MJ. MJ's drive was more pathological, reaching some kind of irrational levels that most people simply don't ever attain, or even aspire to. LeBron's easily the more likeable guy, more personable & human.

Regardless, LeBron is firmly in the pantheon of all time greats. His performances in games 5,6,& 7 against Golden State (a clearly better team) are already legendary, and will stay that way forever.

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I love LeBron, but there have been a few times in the past when he has looked defeated on the court-- that's something I never saw from MJ. MJ's drive was more pathological, reaching some kind of irrational levels that most people simply don't ever attain, or even aspire to. LeBron's easily the more likeable guy, more personable & human.

The Summer of Tully courses on.

[DMC]

That's your end.
Keep dragging your dead corpse of a retired player into the discussions if it suits you.

[Clipper Nation]

I love LeBron, but there have been a few times in the past when he has looked defeated on the court-- that's something I never saw from MJ.

Guess you didn't look hard enough, because the Pistons used to make DK cry like a bitch. Nothing says "defeat" quite like going to the commissioner of the league and begging him to change the rules to make it easier for you to win.

[oh crap]

LeBron's easily the more likeable guy, more personable & human.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Killakobe81]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Compared to Jordan and Kobe?
sure he is.
Jordan was a better winner than both.
And where are the facts to support CN's claims that jordan went whining to the commish?
I though that was Phil ...

[Clipper Nation]

"If Michael was here right now, I would say to him: When you are so great that the league tries to change the rules in an attempt to stop you then you can claim you are the best ever. Every rule change I have seen during your career has been meant to enhance your game (such as shortened 3 point line, hand checking rules & well defined rules regarding illegal defenses)."

- Wilt Chamberlain

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Keep dragging your dead corpse of a retired player into the discussions if it suits you.

Let us proceed...

[TDMVPDPOY]

DK 6-0 but never beat a superteam, those sonics/jizz team were g ood, but they a repeated offenders of chokers...

[tlongII]

Kobe might be top 20. Maybe.

[SpursDynasty]

If LeBron wins 4 more titles, yes. This Finals win was the most significant accomplishment of his career. He was basically seen as a joke as far as the big stage, from 2003-2015. Then he brought his team back from down 1-3 against a 73-win team.

[spursreport]

IF the Warriors get back to the finals, they'll lose again to the Cavs. This is a team just flat out destined to fail. They are lead by players with Peyton Manning's DNA. It is inevitable.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I could see dublets going 80-2 and 16-1 in the playoffs

[Spurtacular]

Two of LeBron's losses in the finals are completely meaningless.

In 2007, it was him and 4 starters who were all bench players. Plus Larry Hughes was playing hurt. No way that team was gonna beat Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Barry, etc...

Last year, He went up against G.S. with two of his starters not playing due to injury.

Btw, he has 4 loses in the finals, not 3: 2 againt the Spurs, one against Dallas, & one against G.S.

And Spurs gave him one in 2013. Refs gave him another in 2012 probably. Sh** happens.

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And Spurs gave him one in 2013.

Amy Duncan did.