Maradona

[dunkman]

w21dkqtBwXk

Would agree with the title of the video. It's not only he dribbled much better than Ronaldinho, Fenomeno and Zidane, in several plays even camera guys have no clue what's he going to do next.

[Venti Quattro]

They also had no clue what he was going to snort next

[spursistan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2976_rR_s

dude has an unmatched swagger despite being diminutive in stature..you just feel that's the "it" missing from Messi..

[ElNono]

system player, product of xavi and iniesta

[Canyonero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipl1mInKbY

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtMgJAunt9U

[Canyonero]

http://elgoldepele.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/maradona2.jpg

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vfIv9o-XOE

[spursistan]

Thankfully the youtube videos available for those who want us to succumb to a recency bias :lol.

What a fuckin touch and ball control prowess by DieGoat :wow...Not to mention the things we don't see but he radiates on the pitch.not way this SOB would go 0-3 in Finals in consecutive years for his NT as cap.-- goalless, on top of it...he would have made something happen: suckered ref into penalty or an opponent red card, a handball goal ..anything to carry his troops...

[lefty]

Man so much ALPHAness in those videos

[Relevancy]

Nothing we haven't seen before, there's plenty of messi highlights like those :sleep

[lefty]

Nothing we haven't seen before, there's plenty of messi highlights like those :sleep
Does he lift WC or CA trophies in those highlights?

[Relevancy]

Does he lift WC or CA trophies in those highlights?he did lift the best player award in worldcup:toast

[dunkman]

Nothing we haven't seen before, there's plenty of messi highlights like those :sleep

Messi has great precision and is lighting quick, there is comparable to Maradona. He also really excels at the tiki-taka triangles, which brings Barça most of his goals and assists. However, in technical skill, vision and creativity, he's not a match for Maradona. Maradona was also more of a warrior, a cliché but it's true.

Messi's still one of the best players to ever play the game, just not quite the best.

[Mikeanaro]

Lol, this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXJz9ti8uI

[Mikeanaro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vfIv9o-XOE
This is for you Nono, remember we talked about physical games back then and now?...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27mTNyPqsw

[DAF86]

Messi has great precision and is lighting quick, there is comparable to Maradona. He also really excels at the tiki-taka triangles, which brings Barça most of his goals and assists. However, in technical skill, vision and creativity, he's not a match for Maradona. Maradona was also more of a warrior, a cliché but it's true.

Messi's still one of the best players to ever play the game, just not quite the best.

Look at this guy trying to talk like he knows shit. :lol

[ElNono]

This is for you Nono, remember we talked about physical games back then and now?...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27mTNyPqsw

I didn't say they don't hit him. But that video perfectly exemplifies what I was saying: a foul is called in every instance, and in most of them, they get a yellow or red card.

That's what changed, they protect these guys a lot more now (which is actually a good thing). We were talking about Reyna, and that guy solely played to chase and foul Diego all over the pitch.

Half the time they didn't call a foul (especially if playing in Peru) and sometimes they wouldn't even finish the game with a yellow card. You know how players now get up and count 1-2-3-4 to the ref asking how many times they were fouled asking for a card? Back then that didn't fly. A guy like that was tactically placed to foul 10-20 times if needed, and there was no repercussions.

Game has been cleaned up a lot since then. I think it's for the better, you gotta protect that kinda of talent, especially the kind of fouling that could end in injury.

[DAF86]

Thankfully the youtube videos available for those who want us to succumb to a recency bias :lol.

What a fuckin touch and ball control prowess by DieGoat :wow...Not to mention the things we don't see but he radiates on the pitch.not way this SOB would go 0-3 in Finals in consecutive years for his NT as cap.-- goalless, on top of it...he would have made something happen: suckered ref into penalty or an opponent red card, a handball goal ..anything to carry his troops...

"recent bias" :lol

If anything these youtube videos help build the myth around former great players. You're not going to see youtube videos of the many, many irrelevant performances these guys had. You are just going to see their moments of greatness.

"nostalgia bias" is way more powerful than "recent bias", tbh.

The "Godfather" wasn't widely considered the best movie ever right after its release. That perception grew over time. Same shit happens with anything: movies, tv, books, music and sports.

We all tend to overrate old stuff and underrate current stuff, when in reality humankind is constantly evolving and things, for the most part, tend to be better than in previous times. Techonolgy, medicine, technics, and athletes have all been improved over their older counterparts.

Regarding Maradona, he failed to do all those things you said in all of the competitions he played with Argentina except one (and it wasn't like he did much in any of the finals he played either, tbh). He did do, however, a lot of shit that weakened the chances of the team, like getting red carded in '82 against Brazil of all teams, and cheating his way out of the competition in '94.

Messi has like 5 times the amount of trophies Maradona has. And has even more seminal moments in important games. Your perception of Maradona being this ultimate competitor that would do anything for winning comes from that '86 WC, nothing more. That one tournament out of the hundreds he has played over his career makes you think that way. If he was such an uncomparable competitor that was able to single-handedly will teams to championships why does he have such a mediocre trophy count for an all-time great? Could it be that maybe he wasn't such an unparalleled competitor? I'm not saying that he wasn't a great competitor, he most certainly was. To be consider an all-time great you have to be. I'm just saying that other guys were as big as competitors as him. What he had over any other guy on his era was talent. That talent helped him help his teams win stuff some times. And other times (most of them), it didn't. Whether it was for a lack of help, luck, or the other team just being better, most of the time Maradona wasn't able to accomplish success with his teams. But that's allright, that's normal. No man, no matter how good, wins championships in a team sport by himself, no matter how much sports fans like to pretend otherwise.

P/S: Messi did sucker the ref into red carding a Chilean player in the last final, tbh.

[Mikeanaro]

I didn't say they don't hit him. But that video perfectly exemplifies what I was saying: a foul is called in every instance, and in most of them, they get a yellow or red card.

That's what changed, they protect these guys a lot more now (which is actually a good thing). We were talking about Reyna, and that guy solely played to chase and foul Diego all over the pitch.

Half the time they didn't call a foul (especially if playing in Peru) and sometimes they wouldn't even finish the game with a yellow card. You know how players now get up and count 1-2-3-4 to the ref asking how many times they were fouled asking for a card? Back then that didn't fly. A guy like that was tactically placed to foul 10-20 times if needed, and there was no repercussions.

Game has been cleaned up a lot since then. I think it's for the better, you gotta protect that kinda of talent, especially the kind of fouling that could end in injury.
I understand what you say but I would like to see a video of dudes beating the shit out of Deadgo like it happened in that Misty Thirsty 10 Tackles video.

[Mikeanaro]

They also had no clue what he was going to snort next

http://www.resultados-futbol.com/maradona-droga-rf_300598.jpg

[dunkman]

This is for you Nono, remember we talked about physical games back then and now?...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27mTNyPqsw

You must be joking, automatic yellows and reds on hard fouling star players were introduced for the Italy '90 WC. Maradona got hit far worse than Messi, after hard fouls he would just stand up and continue running like it's nothing and some of the goals he made were just after being kicked in the head.

[TheGreatYacht]

OP, that video is Tecatito-esque :wow wow

[dunkman]

"recent bias" :lol

If anything these youtube videos help build the myth around former great players. You're not going to see youtube videos of the many, many irrelevant performances these guys had. You are just going to see their moments of greatness.

"nostalgia bias" is way more powerful than "recent bias", tbh.

The "Godfather" wasn't widely considered the best movie ever right after its release. That perception grew over time. Same shit happens with anything: movies, tv, books, music and sports.

We all tend to overrate old stuff and underrate current stuff, when in reality humankind is constantly evolving and things, for the most part, tend to be better than in previous times. Techonolgy, medicine, technics, and athletes have all been improved over their older counterparts.

Regarding Maradona, he failed to do all those things you said in all of the competitions he played with Argentina except one (and it wasn't like he did much in any of the finals he played either, tbh). He did do, however, a lot of shit that weakened the chances of the team, like getting red carded in '82 against Brazil of all teams, and cheating his way out of the competition in '94.

Messi has like 5 times the amount of trophies Maradona has. And has even more seminal moments in important games. Your perception of Maradona being this ultimate competitor that would do anything for winning comes from that '86 WC, nothing more. That one tournament out of the hundreds he has played over his career makes you think that way. If he was such an uncomparable competitor that was able to single-handedly will teams to championships why does he have such a mediocre trophy count for an all-time great? Could it be that maybe he wasn't such an unparalleled competitor? I'm not saying that he wasn't a great competitor, he most certainly was. To be consider an all-time great you have to be. I'm just saying that other guys were as big as competitors as him. What he had over any other guy on his era was talent. That talent helped him help his teams win stuff some times. And other times (most of them), it didn't. Whether it was for a lack of help, luck, or the other team just being better, most of the time Maradona wasn't able to accomplish success with his teams. But that's allright, that's normal. No man, no matter how good, wins championships in a team sport by himself, no matter how much sports fans like to pretend otherwise.

P/S: Messi did sucker the ref into red carding a Chilean player in the last final, tbh.

Diego won trophies with Boca and Barça, but the most remarkable was winning it all with Argentina in '86 (he played well in the final, serving the assist for Burruchaga to win the game), then reaching the finals with an very average team in '90 and winning scudettos with Napoli. Those teams were never supposed to go that far.

The Spanish NT that championed in three consecutive tournies from 2008 Euro - 2010 Mundial - 2012 Euro is widely considered the best ever. It was based on Barcelona's players and tiki-taka style of play. At the same time Messi couldn't win trophies with Argentina. While I wouldn't call second place a failure, the best should have made the difference in 4 finals or while playing CA at home.

[dunkman]

Lol, this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXJz9ti8uI

He was too past his prime, wasn't in conditions to play at that level. He wasn't the same after the first suspension in '91 and that was much later.

[ElNono]

I understand what you say but I would like to see a video of dudes beating the shit out of Deadgo like it happened in that Misty Thirsty 10 Tackles video.

This is what Maradona's ankle looked like after the FIRST game in Italy '90. He kept on playing.

http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Diego+armando+maradona+s+ankle+after+one+game+on+i talia+90+_5b69fe08c867f6ef27343e4d3b0ff59a.jpg

It wasn't just Diego getting beat the fuck out. Enzo had the same problem and pretty much any talented player. The rules were just different.

That's why it's very rare to see man-to-man marking anymore, which was popular back then. You can't stick one guy to Messi to follow him around and kick him every time he touches the ball, he won't last 30 mins.

[DAF86]

Diego won trophies with Boca and Barça, but the most remarkable was winning it all with Argentina in '86 (he played well in the final, serving the assist for Burruchaga to win the game), then reaching the finals with an very average team in '90 and winning scudettos with Napoli. Those teams were never supposed to go that far.

The Spanish NT that championed in three consecutive tournies from 2008 Euro - 2010 Mundial - 2012 Euro is widely considered the best ever. It was based on Barcelona's players and tiki-taka style of play. At the same time Messi couldn't win trophies with Argentina. While I wouldn't call second place a failure, the best should have made the difference in 4 finals or while playing CA at home.

You aren't making any counterargument.

[Mikeanaro]

He was too past his prime, wasn't in conditions to play at that level. He wasn't the same after the first suspension in '91 and that was much later.
Poor Deadgo, too much coke?

[Mikeanaro]

This is what Maradona's ankle looked like after the FIRST game in Italy '90. He kept on playing.

http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Diego+armando+maradona+s+ankle+after+one+game+on+i talia+90+_5b69fe08c867f6ef27343e4d3b0ff59a.jpg

It wasn't just Diego getting beat the fuck out. Enzo had the same problem and pretty much any talented player. The rules were just different.

That's why it's very rare to see man-to-man marking anymore, which was popular back then. You can't stick one guy to Messi to follow him around and kick him every time he touches the ball, he won't last 30 mins.
Its just one injury, Misty got kicked in the stomach and got no call in Chile, one guy stepped on his hand and no call, the numbers dont lie in stats Misty is the best player by far, then everything is blown out of proportion because WC ´86 happened but he didnt make squat in the finals, just like Penaldo did nothing a couple minutes ago.

[Mikeanaro]

You must be joking, automatic yellows and reds on hard fouling star players were introduced for the Italy '90 WC. Maradona got hit far worse than Messi, after hard fouls he would just stand up and continue running like it's nothing and some of the goals he made were just after being kicked in the head.
What has whistles have to do with it? he is still being kicked the shit out of his soul, and there was no calls back then? ok if so why Droga who now talks like he was tough shit wasnt doing the same against his aggressors?

[Brazil]

Nothing we haven't seen before, there's plenty of messi highlights like those :sleep

show me an highlight with Messi doing the equivalent of 0:50 - 0:55

[lefty]

show me an highlight with Messi doing the equivalent of 0:50 - 0:55
My nigglet hasn't lost his edge despite the St-Denis cucking :lol

[Brazil]

My nigglet hasn't lost his edge despite the St-Denis cucking :lol

:lol I'm all good and fine tbh

[lefty]

:lol I'm all good and fine tbh
I would be devastated tbh :lol

Who am I kidding, It's not like I have high expectations for Algeria :lol

[Brazil]

I would be devastated tbh :lol

Who am I kidding, It's not like I have high expectations for Algeria :lol

Tough loss but devastated if we had lost not playing to win... that was not the case. This generation is young, one WC quarter final one Euro final... they will be a major client next world cup.

[lefty]

Tough loss but devastated if we had lost not playing to win... that was not the case. This generation is young, one WC quarter final one Euro final... they will be a major client next world cup.
but they won't win it tbh :lol

[Brazil]

but they won't win it tbh :lol

that would be odd to announce that 2 years in advance and a pretty bold statement... this is why I said France will be a major client.

I'm not in the "false bravado" business like my nigg DAF but behind Germany I see nobody more favorite than France for this WC that will be played in Europe.

[lefty]

that would be odd to announce that 2 years in advance and a pretty bold statement... this is why I said France will be a major client.

I'm not in the "false bravado" business like my nigg DAF but behind Germany I see nobody more favorite than France for this WC that will be played in Europe.
Brazil Brazil Brazil



This nig will make sure Mother Russia wins :

http://i.imgur.com/BxBIX.jpg

[Brazil]

^ :lol no there is no chance mother russia win

[lefty]

^ :lol no there is no chance mother russia win
My nig Putin is a psychopath, so you never know tbh

[DAF86]

that would be odd to announce that 2 years in advance and a pretty bold statement... this is why I said France will be a major client.

I'm not in the "false bravado" business like my nigg DAF but behind Germany I see nobody more favorite than France for this WC that will be played in Europe.

Dude, pick a line. I'm into the "false bravado" bussiness or the "preventive excuse making" bussiness? It can't be both, tbh. :lol

[Brazil]

Dude, pick a line. I'm into the "false bravado" bussiness or the "preventive excuse making" bussiness? It can't be both, tbh. :lol

:lol both are not exclusive

you are being in the false bravado business 2 years before the competition plenty of time to build up excuses tbh

[DAF86]

:lol both are not exclusive

Yes, it is son. C'mon now. :lol

You either talk a big game and act like nobody can beat you, or you are in constant tension knowing that anything can happen on any given game. You can't do both, unless you are a schizo freak, tbh. :lol

Speaking of which ... didn't I tell you these tournament formats are a bitch and many times luck plays a major role? :lol

[Relevancy]

show me an highlight with Messi doing the equivalent of 0:50 - 0:55getting past multiple opponents? Messi has done that plenty of times:lmao

next! No but seriously the only thing Maradona might have over Messi is showboating imo

[Brazil]

Yes, it is son. C'mon now. :lol

You either talk a big game and act like nobody can beat you, or you are in constant tension knowing that anything can happen on any given game. You can't do both, unless you are a schizo freak, tbh. :lol

Speaking of which ... didn't I tell you these tournament formats are a bitch and many times luck plays a major role? :lol

I agree son, never said the contrary: our conversation was in the context of 4 finals lost.

on this final I do think France did everything right except being clutch... you cannot question the envy, the tactics, the players, I read that France thought they had this game won before starting the game and this is totally bullshit, France did respect their opponent... there are some disappointments here and there (pogba being one) and pleasant surprises too like Sissoko (dude is a monster).

At the end I'm just happy we are finally over the 2010 WC that was a shame for the country and the whore, blackmailing.... scandals. We are talking about football and the potential of this generation. France is back to be a powerhouse and it feels good.

[Brazil]

getting past multiple opponents? Messi has done that plenty of times:lmao

next! No but seriously the only thing Maradona might have over Messi is showboating imo

show me the equivalent of 0:50-0:55 open your mouth after

[Relevancy]

show me the equivalent of 0:50-0:55 open your mouth afteryou look for it I'm pretty sure I've seen a few plays like that on all the countless Messi highlights tbh

[Brazil]

you look for it I'm pretty sure I've seen a few plays like that on all the countless Messi highlights tbh

its ok bro

your capitulation is duly noted

let us proceed

[Relevancy]

its ok bro

your capitulation is duly noted

let us proceedyou sure did tell me!:lmao

[Brazil]

you sure did tell me!:lmao

oh yes I did :lmao

[DAF86]

show me an highlight with Messi doing the equivalent of 0:50 - 0:55


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KybOYjguZ_Q

[Brazil]

^ nothing close to Maradona clip in OP between 0:50-0:55 try again

[DAF86]

^ nothing close to Maradona clip in OP between 0:50-0:55 try again

So, you did mean dribbling through a lot of people? Are you serious? :lol

[Brazil]

So, you did mean dribbling through a lot of people? Are you serious? :lol

yes

show me

[DAF86]

yes

show me

Just google Messi highlights and pick one of the millions of videos.

[Relevancy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KybOYjguZ_Qthat was young goat messi:cry his speed is not the same anyone, just look at the way he used to slide past those tsll and athletic colombian players

wait that was just one play but what the highlights from that game to see what I'm talking about

[Brazil]

Just google Messi highlights and pick one of the millions of videos.

nothing close to OP clip from 0:50-0:55

Relevancy went full retard with the :cry nothing very impressive :cry nothing messi cannot do :cry

I say... show me for now unless for "false bravado" again google and easy to find... I did not see anything

[DAF86]

nothing close to OP clip from 0:50-0:55

Relevancy went full retard with the :cry nothing very impressive :cry nothing messi cannot do :cry

I say... show me for now unless for "false bravado" again google and easy to find... I did not see anything

What? In English son please. :lol

[Relevancy]

nothing close to OP clip from 0:50-0:55

Relevancy went full retard with the :cry nothing very impressive :cry nothing messi cannot do :cry

I say... show me for now unless for "false bravado" again google and easy to find... I did not see anythingI never said it wasn't impressive son, but every legend has highlights like this, your boy zidane is the master of roulettes and I'm pretty sure he specially has a lot of plays like the maradona one.

I can make a thread like this one about Messi pretty easily

[Brazil]

I never said it wasn't impressive son

oh really

Nothing we haven't seen before, there's plenty of messi highlights like those :sleep

with the :sleep

you sure can make a thread like this for Messi and I surely would no go in there saying :sleep nothing we haven't seen before...

I'm still waiting the equivalent of Messi doing what Maradone did in this clip in the span between 0:50 and 0:55

[Brazil]

What? In English son please. :lol

Nao... se vira ai meu e tambem nao esquece de tomar no cu

:lol

[Canyonero]

Watch your language son.

[140]

Nao... se vira ai meu e tambem nao esquece de tomar no cu

:lol
:lol

[elemento]

Nao... se vira ai meu e tambem nao esquece de tomar no cu

:lol

:wow

[DAF86]

Nao... se vira ai meu e tambem nao esquece de tomar no cu

:lol

I understood that more than the other message, tbh.

Btw: Que te recontra.

[Brazil]

I understood that more than the other message, tbh.

Btw: Que te recontra.

:lol

[Canyonero]

:wow

Calleridona left SP son.

[Relevancy]

oh really


with the :sleep

you sure can make a thread like this for Messi and I surely would no go in there saying :sleep nothing we haven't seen before...

I'm still waiting the equivalent of Messi doing what Maradone did in this clip in the span between 0:50 and 0:55okay I exaggerated when I put that sleepy emoji :lol there happy tbh? i don't think I can find an exact play like that by the way, Messi has done more incredible things than that tho.. Not to take anything away from Maradona tho cause I'm sure he was the best in that era.

[elemento]

Calleridona left SP son.

It was expected to be a short-term loan. He is too expensive for SP and he wants to go to Europe. He did well here, so I can't complain about him. Wish him the best.
Centurión on the other hand son. My god, Racing fooled SP badly here. As you guys call players like him : "gallina sin cabeza". I don't know if he played well in Argentina, but in Brazil he is absolutely awful. Probably the lowest IQ I've seen from an Argie player since Defederico.

As for Libertadores, that Argie ref fucked SP hard in the 1st game of the semis. Maicon got a bs red card and the team fell apart :cry

Ganso seems to be leaving too. Sevilla has a 10m offer and if they don't sell him now, they're going to lose him for free in 2017.

[Brazil]

okay I exaggerated when I put that sleepy emoji :lol there happy tbh? i don't think I can find an exact play like that by the way, Messi has done more incredible things than that tho.. Not to take anything away from Maradona tho cause I'm sure he was the best in that era.

:tu

good to see people who can recognize when mistake is made

[Canyonero]

It was expected to be a short-term loan. He is too expensive for SP and he wants to go to Europe. He did well here, so I can't complain about him. Wish him the best.
Centurión on the other hand son. My god, Racing fooled SP badly here. As you guys call players like him : "gallina sin cabeza". I don't know if he played well in Argentina, but in Brazil he is absolutely awful. Probably the lowest IQ I've seen from an Argie player since Defederico.

As for Libertadores, that Argie ref fucked SP hard in the 1st game of the semis. Maicon got a bs red card and the team fell apart :cry

Ganso seems to be leaving too. Sevilla has a 10m offer and if they don't sell him now, they're going to lose him for free in 2017.

Yeah, Centurion is a scrub.

[Relevancy]

:tu

good to see people who can recognize when mistake is madeit's not the end of the world son

[Brazil]

it's not the end of the world son

sure thing but with that it is a slightly better place

[140]

DieGOAT documentary coming up


https://youtu.be/cuErPYsoaR4

:wow

[lefty]

DieGOAT documentary coming up


https://youtu.be/cuErPYsoaR4

:wow

Gonna be better than Endgame