Poll: 58% of Millennials Would Vote Trump If He Forgave Student Loans

[ducks]

do these people think people owe them or something
they do not believe they should pay for their schooling
is this the real reason sanders did so well?

[Trainwreck2100]

an entire generation acting in their own best interests? where did they learn that from?

I won't be shocked if at some point a candidate runs on either that platform or letting the loans be wiped out by backruptcy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seeing that motivation behind the backlash is also self interest I find the partisan division laughable. The only reason why older people don't like it is because they cannot take advantage of it.

If you get over yourself and realize that education is good for the whole of society then it takes on a different tone. Should we have kids pay for kindergarten too?

[RandomGuy]

Seeing that motivation behind the backlash is also self interest I find the partisan division laughable. The only reason why older people don't like it is because they cannot take advantage of it.

If you get over yourself and realize that education is good for the whole of society then it takes on a different tone. Should we have kids pay for kindergarten too?

That is the thing older people just don't get.

College education cost growth has outpaced inflation, and therefore people's ability to pay for it, for 20-30+ years.

It is far more expensive to go to college in 2016, in very real terms adjusted for inflation, than it was in 1970, 1980, or even 1990.

The crushing debt burden is causing a lot of delays in buying houses, starting families, etc.

It is hard for people, especially older people to realize that the world has changed. Most people just can't fathom that very basic thing, and base their thinking, and opinions on the way things were 20+ years ago.

Bad way to make policy, IMO.

[elbamba]

I agree that the cost of college has gotten out of hand. The other problem that free tuition can't change are the ridiculous degrees people get today. Its hard to get a job when you study art-history. I would like to see incentives for engineering, mathematics, and science based degrees and perhaps discounts for some of the less usuful degrees that people use to springboard into graduate school.

[RandomGuy]

I agree that the cost of college has gotten out of hand. The other problem that free tuition can't change are the ridiculous degrees people get today. Its hard to get a job when you study art-history. I would like to see incentives for engineering, mathematics, and science based degrees and perhaps discounts for some of the less usuful degrees that people use to springboard into graduate school.

+1

"i have an english degree, and I can't get a job"

I am going to take a hard look at the labor market and steer my kids to that.

Figure out what is in demand, and go for it. Anything with a high barrier to entry (actuaries for example) are going to always pay well.

Oddly enough that includes plumbers etc:
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/plumbers-pipefitters-and-steamfitters.htm

Hell, work with your hands... build your own company, and bypass college altogether.

Not a bad way to go.

[TeyshaBlue]

That is the thing older people just don't get.

College education cost growth has outpaced inflation, and therefore people's ability to pay for it, for 20-30+ years.

It is far more expensive to go to college in 2016, in very real terms adjusted for inflation, than it was in 1970, 1980, or even 1990.

The crushing debt burden is causing a lot of delays in buying houses, starting families, etc.

It is hard for people, especially older people to realize that the world has changed. Most people just can't fathom that very basic thing, and base their thinking, and opinions on the way things were 20+ years ago.

Bad way to make policy, IMO.

This older guy gets it just fine. Education is treated as infrastructure in the primary grades. Why did it become a profit center in secondary? Makes no sense.

[Wild Cobra]

do these people think people owe them or something
they do not believe they should pay for their schooling
is this the real reason sanders did so well?

Democrats have been instilling the entitlement mentality in our young for decades now.

Sorry pathetic little shits.

[boutons_deux]

"Makes no sense."

for-profit charter K12 and for-profit colleges are capitalists going after taxpayers $100Bs. Makes perfect sense.

[elbamba]

This older guy gets it just fine. Education is treated as infrastructure in the primary grades. Why did it become a profit center in secondary? Makes no sense.

When I was in law school, the cost of new books were almost as much as the tuition. Half.com I think was the website where I would buy everything one year old and get them all for about $20. Of course, I had to spend extra time finding the cases because of the different page numbers but they all used the same cases.

[TeyshaBlue]

+1

"i have an english degree, and I can't get a job"

I am going to take a hard look at the labor market and steer my kids to that.

Figure out what is in demand, and go for it. Anything with a high barrier to entry (actuaries for example) are going to always pay well.

Oddly enough that includes plumbers etc:
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/plumbers-pipefitters-and-steamfitters.htm

Hell, work with your hands... build your own company, and bypass college altogether.

Not a bad way to go.

I've thrown this up here before but my local school district (Birdville ISD) has an unbelievable voc Ed program. Their auto mechanics shop is bigger and as well equipped as most dealerships.:tu

[tlongII]

That is the thing older people just don't get.

College education cost growth has outpaced inflation, and therefore people's ability to pay for it, for 20-30+ years.

It is far more expensive to go to college in 2016, in very real terms adjusted for inflation, than it was in 1970, 1980, or even 1990.

The crushing debt burden is causing a lot of delays in buying houses, starting families, etc.

It is hard for people, especially older people to realize that the world has changed. Most people just can't fathom that very basic thing, and base their thinking, and opinions on the way things were 20+ years ago.

Bad way to make policy, IMO.

We need to focus on WHY education cost growth has outpaced inflation and do something about that in my opinion.

[TeyshaBlue]

The college's feed off of grants and loans. We expand those and you can expect tuition to continue to skyrocket.

[TeyshaBlue]

When I was in law school, the cost of new books were almost as much as the tuition. Half.com I think was the website where I would buy everything one year old and get them all for about $20. Of course, I had to spend extra time finding the cases because of the different page numbers but they all used the same cases.

It was like that in my field as well. Textbook pricing is an old, old racket.

[TeyshaBlue]

"Makes no sense."

for-profit charter K12 and for-profit colleges are capitalists going after taxpayers $100Bs. Makes perfect sense.




Pipe down.The grown-ups are talking.

[TeyshaBlue]

Democrats have been instilling the entitlement mentality in our young for decades now.

Sorry pathetic little shits.

Stupid followed by stupider.

[Wild Cobra]

The college's feed off of grants and loans. We expand those and you can expect tuition to continue to skyrocket.

Exactly. Supply and demand, like anything else. Reduce grants and loans to much tighter standards, and we will likely see a reduction in tuition and book pricing.

[z0sa]

That is the thing older people just don't get.

College education cost growth has outpaced inflation, and therefore people's ability to pay for it, for 20-30+ years.

It is far more expensive to go to college in 2016, in very real terms adjusted for inflation, than it was in 1970, 1980, or even 1990.

The crushing debt burden is causing a lot of delays in buying houses, starting families, etc.

It is hard for people, especially older people to realize that the world has changed. Most people just can't fathom that very basic thing, and base their thinking, and opinions on the way things were 20+ years ago.

Bad way to make policy, IMO.

Great post. +1

[baseline bum]

The college's feed off of grants and loans. We expand those and you can expect tuition to continue to skyrocket.

I think it's more demand than anything causing skyrocketing tuition and fees. Hollowing out the manufacturing economy has made it to where you either have to go to college or learn a trade to really survive in this country.

[TeyshaBlue]

Exactly. Supply and demand, like anything else. Reduce grants and loans to much tighter standards, and we will likely see a reduction in tuition and book pricing.

Better yet, eliminate the need for them altogether.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think it's more demand than anything causing skyrocketing tuition and fees. Hollowing out the manufacturing economy has made it to where you either have to go to college or learn a trade to really survive in this country.

That's likely a factor for sure.

[Wild Cobra]

Better yet, eliminate the need for them altogether.

I'm not for a complete elimination, because I think our sociiety is better with a few that are rationed out.

Student loans should be based on a good faith that the trade will be in demand enough that those receiving the loans will be able to work and pay for them. Otherwise, regular loans as creditors are willing to risk.

Grants should only be for those scoring exceptional in scholastic, but didn't get scholarships, or cannot afford to pay.

If we get back to universities not having an excess of willing cash cows, the prices will drop. Besides, why do we need hamburger flippers with a 4 year degree?

[boutons_deux]

The college's feed off of grants and loans. We expand those and you can expect tuition to continue to skyrocket.


That didn't happen when the GI Bill paid 100Ks vets to go college, there was no housing bubble when the GI Bill financed 100Ks of GI homes.

The capitalists have, since the mid 1970s, fucked up America.

[Wild Cobra]

That's likely a factor for sure.

So now, we have a race for loans that cannot be repaid as there are less good jobs than loans.

[rmt]

Wow, I commend you all - this thread has some good ideas without the normal amount of partisan bashing.

I don't know about how it is for you guys in Texas, but the pricing for housing has gone up more than college tuition in Florida. The price of my house has gone up by at least 2.5 times while total yearly cost at UF is only $6313 (UT-Austin lists at $9830). Room and board cost a lot but people can go to their local university or do as I did and go to community college for 2 years first. Compare that $6313 to my son's $5500 in braces - that seems like a good bargain for a year of college. Now I realize that Florida is on the low end of tuition but it's an example that it can be done if the states prioritize education.

Governor Charlie Crist was raising college tuition at 15% PER YEAR (which basically put a damper on "true" pre-paid college here - they could no longer guarantee that tuition would be paid for). You can bash Rick Scott all you want, but for education, he has been very good - stopped that 15% per year insane rise, issued a challenge for a $10k college degree (which all 23 state colleges have accepted) and has now signed a bill to allow any child to go to any public school in Florida (if there's space). In addition, there's now a free ride (at 6 universities) for those with National Merit honors to try to keep the talent here in Florida. We also have a Brights Future program which used to pay for full tuition - but now pays for about 1/2 (I think) - do 100 hrs of community service, 3.5 gpa, 1290 SAT or 29 ACT - there are lower levels with less money offered.

http://www.flgov.com/gov-scott-announces-all-23-florida-state-colleges-with-baccalaureate-degrees-have-accepted-10k-degree-challenge-2/

[Th'Pusher]

Wow, I commend you all - this thread has some good ideas without the normal amount of partisan bashing.

I don't know about how it is for you guys in Texas, but the pricing for housing has gone up more than college tuition in Florida. The price of my house has gone up by at least 2.5 times while total yearly cost at UF is only $6313 (UT-Austin lists at $9830). Room and board cost a lot but people can go to their local university or do as I did and go to community college for 2 years first. Compare that $6313 to my son's $5500 in braces - that seems like a good bargain for a year of college. Now I realize that Florida is on the low end of tuition but it's an example that it can be done if the states prioritize education.

Governor Charlie Crist was raising college tuition at 15% PER YEAR (which basically put a damper on "true" pre-paid college here - they could no longer guarantee that tuition would be paid for). You can bash Rick Scott all you want, but for education, he has been very good - stopped that 15% per year insane rise, issued a challenge for a $10k college degree (which all 23 state colleges have accepted) and has now signed a bill to allow any child to go to any public school in Florida (if there's space). In addition, there's now a free ride (at 6 universities) for those with National Merit honors to try to keep the talent here in Florida. We also have a Brights Future program which used to pay for full tuition - but now pays for about 1/2 (I think) - do 100 hrs of community service, 3.5 gpa, 1290 SAT or 29 ACT - there are lower levels with less money offered.

http://www.flgov.com/gov-scott-announces-all-23-florida-state-colleges-with-baccalaureate-degrees-have-accepted-10k-degree-challenge-2/

How was the governor of a state increasing college tuition?

[rmt]

How was the governor of a state increasing college tuition?

Here I was thinking that the nitpicking had gone down in this thread. Shall I change what I said to "under" so and so this happened to satisfy you?

[Th'Pusher]

Here I was thinking that the nitpicking had gone down in this thread. Shall I change what I said to "under" so and so this happened to satisfy you?

I'm not nitpicking. Were there specific policies Crist implemented that were driving the increased tuition rates in your opinion?

[rmt]

I'm not nitpicking. Were there specific policies Crist implemented that were driving the increased tuition rates in your opinion?

I don't know what was driving his desire to bring Florida's college tuition up to the national average - wasn't following politics at that time - was just alarmed that the Florida "full" pre-paid was no longer offered. He was governor from 2007 to 2011 - at just about the worst time possible to be doing that - so maybe it was the market crash. Anyways, it's almost a decade later and the colleges have answered Scott's challenge for a $10k degree - go figure. Don't know what types of degree they'll be but $10k - what a bargain.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know what was driving his desire to bring Florida's college tuition up to the national average - wasn't following politics at that time - was just alarmed that the Florida "full" pre-paid was no longer offered. He was governor from 2007 to 2011 - at just about the worst time possible to be doing that - so maybe it was the market crash. Anyways, it's almost a decade later and the colleges have answered Scott's challenge for a $10k degree - go figure. Don't know what types of degree they'll be but $10k - what a bargain.

Then how can you say its state government policy at all that is doing it?

[Pelicans78]

Who cares what millennials want? Most of them are idiots anyway who provide little to the country.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who cares what millennials want? Most of them are idiots anyway who provide little to the country.

This next decade is going to be fun for you. They overtook the boomers as most populous voter demographic and that is only going to become moreso as boomers die off and more millennials reach their majority.

You can see both parties trying to cater to them to get their votes. They distilled behind Bernie in the dem party and are getting significant concessions on the platform for example.

Go yell at a cloud.

[rmt]

Then how can you say its state government policy at all that is doing it?

I was immersed in young kids and homeschooling back then. I, like most Americans, did not pay much attention to politics until it directly affected me - in this case, with the Florida pre-paid college program. I am relating to you what happened regarding education. These are examples of programs they have now that hopefully will improve K-12 education (school choice) and make college affordable in Florida (low tuition, Bright Futures, Florida Incentive Scholarship and $10k degree).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was immersed in young kids and homeschooling back then. I, like most Americans, did not pay much attention to politics until it directly affected me - in this case, with the Florida pre-paid college program. I am relating to you what happened regarding education. These are examples of programs they have now that hopefully will improve K-12 education (school choice) and make college affordable in Florida (low tuition, Bright Futures, Florida Incentive Scholarship and $10k degree).

So more personal anecdotes where you didn't otherwise pay attention?

So no basis really at all then. have fun chasing your tail.

[Pelicans78]

This next decade is going to be fun for you. They overtook the boomers as most populous voter demographic and that is only going to become moreso as boomers die off and more millennials reach their majority.

You can see both parties trying to cater to them to get their votes. They distilled behind Bernie in the dem party and are getting significant concessions on the platform for example.


Go yell at a cloud.

Truthfully, I'm basically a millenial as well since I finished college in 2000, but I'm talking about people in their 20s who are idiots. I have student loans that I'm still paying, but it's only 10% of my income (after taxes/401K and life insurance) and I'm paying more than the required amount. I came out of school with about $140,000 in student loans.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well the electorate that you were just railing over is now the top demographic in the country. Both political parties care a lot about what they think.

[rmt]

So more personal anecdotes where you didn't otherwise pay attention?

So no basis really at all then. have fun chasing your tail.

If you don't want to hear what other states are doing to make college affordable, then put me on ignore.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you don't want to hear what other states are doing to make college affordable, then put me on ignore.

now you are changing the subject. if I want to learn such things I'm not going to ask people around here as a general rule.

[rmt]

now you are changing the subject. if I want to learn such things I'm not going to ask people around here as a general rule.

May I ask what you are doing here?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

May I ask what you are doing here?

posting posts. since you apparently think that way: what do you think you are doing here?

[rmt]

posting posts. since you apparently think that way: what do you think you are doing here?

I am here to learn, to hear what other people think (mostly opposing views), and to share my thoughts and experiences with the hope that they might help someone else (because I have been helped by so many others who have posted on the internet).

[Pelicans78]

Why is every thread turning into a fuckfest between FL and RMT? Get a room guys.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am here to learn, to hear what other people think (mostly opposing views), and to share my thoughts and experiences with the hope that they might help someone else (because I have been helped by so many others who have posted on the internet).

I find the truth to be precious but this place, a den of trolls and deception, is not the place to find it.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why is every thread turning into a fuckfest between FL and RMT? Get a room guys.

Or you could try adding to the discussion instead of whining.

[rmt]

Why is every thread turning into a fuckfest between FL and RMT? Get a room guys.

I hate to sound like kids, but he started it :lol Why can't he take my posts at face value - he finds fault or questions some imaginary motive.

Can't believe I'm here bickering with him - just can't believe they aren't showing this press conference - no NBATV, no ESPN, no ESPN2, nothing.

[CosmicCowboy]

fuzzy is just an asshole that comes in here to troll and start arguments and insult people with made up shit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I hate to sound like kids, but he started it :lol Why can't he take my posts at face value - he finds fault or questions some imaginary motive.

Can't believe I'm here bickering with him - just can't believe they aren't showing this press conference - no NBATV, no ESPN, no ESPN2, nothing.

Who says I am not taking them for what they are? You are relying on personal anecdotes for your opinions. Pointing out is taking it at face value because that's what it's worth.

[DarrinS]

No one ever had student loans before the millennials. Smh

If you don't want massive student loan debt -- don't take out massive student loans, e.g. go to a less expensive school.

[pgardn]

Kids used to be able to pay off school while working summer construction.

This won't hack it anymore.

Two worst construction jobs: laying foundation and getting concrete dust in the face; finishing the roofing in the summer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

fuzzy is just an asshole that comes in here to troll and start arguments and insult people with made up shit.

I like to argue because it is the best way to discover the truth. It's a very Hellenic approach.

You just get asshurt because you are a self important douchebag that doesn't like to be questioned, pedobear. You reaction to me is typical.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No one ever had student loans before the millennials. Smh

If you don't want massive student loan debt -- don't take out massive student loans, e.g. go to a less expensive school.

:lol Marie Antoinette being channelled here. Let them eat cake!

Just ignore the discussion about education costs as opposed to the inflation rate like an obtuse simpleton why don't you?

[MultiTroll]

For 10K each would U.S. citizens elect Kim Jong-un for US President?

Serious question.

[CosmicCowboy]

I like to argue because it is the best way to discover the truth. It's a very Hellenic approach.

You just get asshurt because you are a self important douchebag that doesn't like to be questioned, pedobear. You reaction to me is typical.

your pedobear "insult" is typical of your juvenile made up shit, douchebag. Old, stale, and totally fabricated in your little mind.

[DarrinS]

Kids used to be able to pay off school while working summer construction.

This won't hack it anymore.

Two worst construction jobs: laying foundation and getting concrete dust in the face; finishing the roofing in the summer.

I would say roofing is worse.

[rmt]

No one ever had student loans before the millennials. Smh

If you don't want massive student loan debt -- don't take out massive student loans, e.g. go to a less expensive school.

I agree - or go to local uni or cc. Also take dual enrollment classes or AP classes in high school - one can knock out a lot of general education requirements with AP US History, Euro History (those 2 will take care of most social science/humanities/diversity requirements), Eng Lang, Calc AB and Chem.

[DarrinS]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0

[rmt]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html?_r=0

Sounds like a mini-government/corporation. 221% increase in administrators along with their healthcare costs, salaries and pensions and high-paid CEOs.