Jason Kidd : Regrets not teaming up with Tim & Spurs

[tmtcsc]

In 2003, Kidd verbally committed to Spurs while he was in San Antonio visit. - He (or his wife) changed his mind on way home.


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=17001509

[ducks]

Thank goodness he did

[ducks]

In 2003, Kidd verbally committed to Spurs while he was in San Antonio visit. - He (or his wife) changed his mind on way home.


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=17001509he did not change his mind his wife told him no to sa

[ducks]

Not sure why he listened to his wife he beat her

[ducks]

Beating wife is not class he not Spurs material

[pgardn]

Not sure why he listened to his wife he beat her

Link?

[SPURt]

Kevin Durant would've gone to the champions after losing a finals

[ducks]

"According to the police report, Jason Kidd ate a french fry off her son’s plate, she told her husband not to do that and then, “Jason then turns towards Mrs. Kidd and spits the french fry at Mrs. Kidd, striking her in the face. Mrs. Kidd turns away from Jason. Jason then strikes Mrs. Kidd in the face while holding a container of yogurt in his hand."

[Spurminator]

Whottt is doing a fist pump somewhere.

[pgardn]

"According to the police report, Jason Kidd ate a french fry off her son’s plate, she told her husband not to do that and then, “Jason then turns towards Mrs. Kidd and spits the french fry at Mrs. Kidd, striking her in the face. Mrs. Kidd turns away from Jason. Jason then strikes Mrs. Kidd in the face while holding a container of yogurt in his hand."

Link?

What was done in court?

[ducks]

http://thebiglead.com/2014/06/30/jason-kidd-brooklyn-milwaukee-toni-braxton-wife-power-play-failed/

[houston spurs fan]

Not sure why he listened to his wife he beat her
Damn ducks, true though...

[HarlemHeat37]

The passing of a Kidd-Manu backcourt:wow

[ducks]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/wife-jason-kidd-serial-abuser-adulterer

[ducks]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kidd-faces-assault-charge/

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs probably win in 04 with Kidd

[ducks]

http://www.examiner.com/article/photos-nba-star-with-history-of-domestic-abuse-jason-kidd-busted-for-dwi

[ducks]

Spurs probably win in 04 with Kidd

Spurs would have traded that trash

[MI21]

Link?

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/19596/history-of-jason-kidds-past-incidents

[gambit1990]

The passing of a Kidd-Manu backcourt:wow
tbh. that thought never even occurred to me until now.

[ducks]

Then we can talk about his coaching moves he did
He is a true losser
How the Spurs could have ever went after him is beyond me

[pgardn]

http://thebiglead.com/2014/06/30/jason-kidd-brooklyn-milwaukee-toni-braxton-wife-power-play-failed/


Thanks.

I saw an interview, can't remember where, he talked about the incident and false charge and how he would do anything to get away from her including sleeping over at Lawrence Frank's house to get away from her. But he wanted the kids...

He is a good liar I guess.

[Snaq O'Meal]

The passing of a Kidd-Manu backcourt:wow

That would've been a phenomenal backcourt with little defensive weaknesses.

[ducks]

No problem
In az we heard all about it

[ducks]

Spurs wanted to keep tp also atleast that was the plan

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs would have traded that trash

Winning has a way of making things tolerable. We don't know what the Spurs would have done though..

[ElNono]

The passing of a Kidd-Manu backcourt:wow

Probably three-peated, tbh... Phil couldn't get away with just packing the paint, plus we would've saved money in the long run...

[pgardn]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/19596/history-of-jason-kidds-past-incidents

Yeah this is coming back. He said she was nuts.

[ducks]

Dude they shipped Dennis rodman when he acted up
Also sj late when they could not even get another player for playoff run

[TheGoldStandard]

Probably three-peated, tbh... Phil couldn't get away with just packing the paint, plus we would've saved money in the long run...

I'd go as far as to say 2003 - 2007 is sure fire Finals appearances..

[tmtcsc]

he did not change his mind his wife told him no to sa

Did you not watch the video clip where he says "I committed to the Spurs when I was in San Antonio. I told Pop I was coming."

[ducks]

I did not watch it i rembered what happened
We had the inside scope here discussed it in Chat
Good times

[ducks]

I would not believe anything out of that wife beater
Any Poster in this thread said kidd is a good liar

[HarlemHeat37]

Kidd is definitely a scumbag and a snake, tbh..it becomes a matter of how much you value winning vs. character, though..

[ElNono]

Kidd is definitely a scumbag and a snake, tbh..it becomes a matter of how much you value winning vs. character, though..

Yup... the Spurs knew how to balance that stuff, tbh... SJax was key to one of our championships after all...

[objective]

Wouldn't Kidd on the cap mean they would have lost Manu as a free agent in 04?

No Arenas rule back then, hell, I think Arenas did his deal that off season.

Kidd's refusal meant the Spurs splitting that room for Rasho, Mercer, and Hedo. I think the Mercer and Hedo savings helped keep Manu.

[ElNono]

Wouldn't Kidd on the cap mean they would have lost Manu as a free agent in 04?

No Arenas rule back then, hell, I think Arenas did his deal that off season.

Kidd's refusal meant the Spurs splitting that room for Rasho, Mercer, and Hedo. I think the Mercer and Hedo savings helped keep Manu.

I think Kidd was basically taking DRob's cap space. Manu re-signed for $6.6m in '04, in which turned out to be the best season of his NBA career (and professional too, I suppose, if we consider Olympics). Spurs really got great value back then (Tony was making $800k in '03)...

[Spurtacular]

Kidd f'd up.

[phxspurfan]

We would have had 4 rings instead of 5 likely

[Chris]

We got one the of the best PG's of all time (4 rings;FMVP) so no biggie. Kidd regressed quickly and would have been a nice rental but not worth the head of the snake imo

[Chris]

"I know I'm the best point guard for this team," Parker told Ludden. "I can lead this team. I know deep down in my heart I can. I'm only 21, but I'm going to get better." -TP9

[Sean Cagney]

I think Kidd was basically taking DRob's cap space. Manu re-signed for $6.6m in '04, in which turned out to be the best season of his NBA career (and professional too, I suppose, if we consider Olympics). Spurs really got great value back then (Tony was making $800k in '03)...

DAMN, talk about steals........ Shit.

[Sean Cagney]

"I know I'm the best point guard for this team," Parker told Ludden. "I can lead this team. I know deep down in my heart I can. I'm only 21, but I'm going to get better." -TP9

3 rings later and a Finals MVP.... He might have been right. Glad it played out with the Big 3 like it did, that was destiny.

[Russo21]

Would have 6 peated 2003-2008

[r0drig0lac]

"I know I'm the best point guard for this team," Parker told Ludden. "I can lead this team. I know deep down in my heart I can. I'm only 21, but I'm going to get better." -TP9

MVParker tbh

[Chillen]

I never knew he committed than changed his mind a day later, no wonder why he regrets it to this day. Spurs could have potentially 3peated with a Parker/Kidd backcourt with Duncan in his prime. Oh well I bet that Dallas championship in 2011 helped him lick the salt off that old wound. In a few years maybe Kidd could replace Pop, lol.

[Big Empty]

Thank God he didnt. This franchise owes his wife big. We woulda never been able to keep Manu and Parker. They are both better than Kidds slow no shooting ass.

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs probably win in 04 with Kidd

All the Spurs needed to do was to sign Manu Ginobili when they drafted him, and they win probably two more titles.

[look_at_g_shred]

no Spur PG ever would've won Finals MVP though :cry:

[Dex]

"Turbulence on the plane..."

AKA his wife threw a bitch fit and he pussed out of multiple championships.

[Phenomanul]

All the Spurs needed to do was to sign Manu Ginobili when they drafted him, and they win probably two more titles.


Yeah, I always felt we wasted 2-3 years of Manu's athletic prime letting him play out his European contracts... Manu's basketball IQ has always been high enough to impact games. I'm sure he would have made a difference the year Derek Anderson was injured - and led to a more competitive showing against the Lakers that post-season. Instead the Spurs were humiliated without a dependable perimeter slasher/creator - and Kobe took a free ride on the defensive end which wouldn't have been the case if he was forced to defend Manu.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, I always felt we wasted 2-3 years of Manu's athletic prime letting him play out his European contracts... Manu's basketball IQ has always been high enough to impact games. I'm sure he would have made a difference the year Derek Anderson was injured - and led to a more competitive showing against the Lakers that post-season. Instead the Spurs were humiliated without a dependable perimeter slasher/creator - and Kobe took a free ride on the defensive end which wouldn't have been the case if he was forced to defend Manu.

With Manu on the team, the Spurs probably don't sign Derek Anderson.

[Tully365]

Kidd: "I still have nightmares about that." :lol

I always suspected this-- glad to see Kidd realizes his mistake.

Pop said at the time the Spurs would not have gotten rid of Parker, that Parker & Kidd could play together because Kidd could guard SGs. That would've been an incredibly flexible backcourt, where any combination of Kidd, Parker, Manu would've been deadly. One of the reasons I have no problem with Durant choosing the Warriors is because I rooted hard for Kidd to join the Spurs the year after they beat his Nets in the finals-- same situation. And Kidd lived to regret it, knowing it was the best basketball decision he could've made.

[Horse]

Probably three-peated, tbh... Phil couldn't get away with just packing the paint, plus we would've saved money in the long run...

You mean packing the press conference with bullshit pissing and moaning about officiating till Tony counldn't get a call even with blood.

[-21-]

I'm with ducks here. It was a blessing in disguise for us that Kidd stayed in NJ.

[sasaint]

I'm with ducks here. It was a blessing in disguise for us that Kidd stayed in NJ.

Unless he dumped Jemima before joining the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

Probably three-peated, tbh... Phil couldn't get away with just packing the paint, plus we would've saved money in the long run...

Kidd's shot was even worse than Parker's at the time. He couldn't hit a three until he got to Dallas.

[ElNono]

Kidd's shot was even worse than Parker's at the time. He couldn't hit a three until he got to Dallas.

Tony's shot was shit too, tbh, so no difference there. The difference was he wasn't unidimensional. He was an excellent defender then (also great rebounder for a perimter guy), and could find the open guy like the best of them.

Not saying Hedo wouldn't have choked all the same, but we wouldn't have wasted possessions getting blocked by Shaq and Malone over and over again.

[dbreiden83080]

Spurs won 2 in the following 4 years. Kidd was sliding by 2007. Signing would not really have mattered.

[Spurs9]

Game 6 03 on nbatv right now :lol

[poeticism707]

Not sure why he listened to his wife he beat her

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[FkLA]

Ah what could've been. Instead we were stuck with that fat, teammate backstabbing, cap eating, sorry excuse for a PG. You know that guy that unless he was facing some scrub who goes by Boobie needed his back-ups to bail him out time after time.

[UZER]

Beating wife is not class he not Spurs material

He beat her for making him choose the Nets.

[FkLA]

Messing around with a teammate's wife is Spurs material?

[daslicer]

Kidd didn't have a jumpshot until the end of his career. He would have been a liability on the offensive end for the Spurs because of his inability to hit open shots.

[RD2191]

Ah what could've been. Instead we were stuck with that fat, teammate backstabbing, cap eating, sorry excuse for a PG. You know that guy that unless he was facing some scrub who goes by Boobie needed his back-ups to bail him out time after time.

[ducks]

I'm with ducks here. It was a blessing in disguise for us that Kidd stayed in NJ.

Thanks

[FkLA]

Kidd didn't have a jumpshot until the end of his career. He would have been a liability on the offensive end for the Spurs because of his inability to hit open shots.

Oh yeah bc fat ass Enrique has obviously been a sharpshooter during his overrated career, am I right?

[daslicer]

Oh yeah bc fat ass Enrique has obviously been a sharpshooter during his overrated career, am I right?

:lol and Kidd had great penetrating abilities to get to the hoop like Tony could?

[Sean Cagney]

Ah what could've been. Instead we were stuck with that fat, teammate backstabbing, cap eating, sorry excuse for a PG. You know that guy that unless he was facing some scrub who goes by Boobie needed his back-ups to bail him out time after time.

And on top of that 3 more rings to boot..... They made out okay.

[james evans]

Beating wife is not class he not Spurs material
what about cheating on wife with your teammate's wife?

[dabom]

On reddit they still say sexting with his teammate's wife. :lmao

Like both parties divorced over text messages. :lmao

[spurraider21]

do people act like parker has always been in 2013-present form?

[Russ]

Thank God for Amy (keeping Tim here) and for Joumana (keeping Kidd away and keeping TP here).

Two divorcees who both did the Spurs a great service!!!!

:flag:

[HI-FI]

i definitely remember being excited in '03 about Kidd coming here. favorite PG (at the time) joining my favorite team. for some reason I already hated Parker back then. pretty sure Duncan-Manu-Kidd would've rang at least twice, probably repeated. oh well, it worked out for everyone.

[SASdynasty!]

"We would have probably 10-peated."

-Spurstalk

[Spurs1234]

I wanted jermaine o'neal more tbh. That would have been sick. Of course o'neal was done by around 2007 as well. Hard to think they would have gotten more titles in the end w either Jo or Kidd. I can remember the 2003 title and thinking that summer-wow, this is the start of something great looking at everyone's age being so young. That was the best knowing you had so much great basketball in your future.

[lefty]

Better than Porker ...

[ducks]

Tp back then was a mvp candidate

[Snaq O'Meal]

I wanted jermaine o'neal more tbh. That would have been sick. Of course o'neal was done by around 2007 as well. Hard to think they would have gotten more titles in the end w either Jo or Kidd. I can remember the 2003 title and thinking that summer-wow, this is the start of something great looking at everyone's age being so young. That was the best knowing you had so much great basketball in your future.

I remember many fans wanting Jermaine O'Neal that offseason. Despite Kidd being the best free agent available, he wasn't filling in a position of need. Porker had his disappearing act, but he was considered serviceable at that time, and his backup was more than up to the task of bailing him out. However, with Robinson's retirement, there was a massive void to be filled. In the end, Pop went out of his way to recruit Rasho Nesterovic. Not too dissimilar to the Lakers walking away with their prize free agent in Timofey Mozgov.

[Mugen]

Spurs really dodged a bullet by not having a scumbag at PG during those years....

Who knows, maybe JKidd ends up banging a teammates wife....

[tmtcsc]

Tp back then was a mvp candidate

https://67.media.tumblr.com/7faa5e9e075092481e57da77358f80d7/tumblr_nk6lp22lJU1re3x32o1_500.gif

[Budkin]

After seeing TP wither away under pressure in the Finals that year I was ready for Kidd. Who knows how great we would have been?

[SASdynasty!]

After seeing TP wither away under pressure in the Finals that year I was ready for Kidd. Who knows how great we would have been?
You were comparing a 29-year old peak Jason Kidd to a 20-year old Tony Parker? What's funny is that Parker actually held his own and played far less minutes.

2003 Finals:

Kidd: 19.7/7.8/6.2 on 36% shooting (44 MPG)
Parker: 14.0/4.2/3.2 on 39% shooting (35 MPG)

Parker also shot 43% from 3 (Kidd shot 27%).

[keeferob25]

You were comparing a 29-year old peak Jason Kidd to a 20-year old Tony Parker? What's funny is that Parker actually held his own and played far less minutes.

2003 Finals:

Kidd: 19.7/7.8/6.2 on 36% shooting (44 MPG)
Parker: 14.0/4.2/3.2 on 39% shooting (35 MPG)

Parker also shot 43% from 3 (Kidd shot 27%).

Trust me, there was a reason lol. Rewatch the games from that series and its embarrassing how even Bill Walton would REPEATEDLY call out Parker as ineffective and how Claxton ran the offense better. Why the hell do you think we went after Kidd in the first place lol.

[SASdynasty!]

Trust me, there was a reason lol. Rewatch the games from that series and its embarrassing how even Bill Walton would REPEATEDLY call out Parker as ineffective and how Claxton ran the offense better. Why the hell do you think we went after Kidd in the first place lol.
Actually I was just rewatching the 2003 playoff run (full games). Walton continually praises Parker for keeping the offense moving when Duncan got into early foul trouble or just wasn't shooting.

Claxton went for 5.2/1.9 in the playoffs and only averaged 13 MPG (less in the Finals). That's significantly less production than we got from Aron Baynes two years ago to put it in perspective. Actually it's less than half of what we got from Parker last year in the playoffs for more perspective.

Look, we've all watched the 2003 Championship DVD a million times so we all remember that Claxton made 2 baskets in the 4th quarter of Game 6. Sorry those make you think he played a significant part in that title run.

[SASdynasty!]

Career playoffs:

Kidd: 12.9 PPG on 39% shooting, lol
Parker: 18.2 PPG on 46% shooting

Thank God things worked the way they did.

[Sean Cagney]

Trust me, there was a reason lol. Rewatch the games from that series and its embarrassing how even Bill Walton would REPEATEDLY call out Parker as ineffective and how Claxton ran the offense better. Why the hell do you think we went after Kidd in the first place lol.

He was 20 years old man, going up against an all star and future HOF. Did you expect him to play even?
Career playoffs:

Kidd: 12.9 PPG on 39% shooting, lol
Parker: 18.2 PPG on 46% shooting

Thank God things worked the way they did.I don't get the player or Parker hate in here, it really just makes me think some are really just player fans or fans of guys from their country....

[daslicer]

He was 20 years old man, going up against an all star and future HOF. Did you expect him to play even?I don't get the player or Parker hate in here, it really just makes me think some are really just player fans or fans of guys from their country....

Parker was always pretty good come playoff time prior to 2015 when matched up with opposing PG's outside of Marbury in '03. The opposition come playoff time after a few games would change up the strategy of having a PG guard Parker and switch a SG or an SF on him. Hell I remember Lebron guarding Parker at times during the '13 finals. Parker tended to struggle once the switch was made. It goes to show you how good Parker was that teams had to put their best perimeter defender on him during the playoffs. Anyways they are only 4 PG's that have playoff experience of playing 50 games or more that have shot better FG percentage wise than Parker during the playoffs the last 26 years. Those PG's are Stockton,Nash,Kevin Johnson,CP3. The PG position is the easier position on the court to guard hence why they tend not to shoot high percentages during the playoffs and why it's rare for a PG to be the best player on a championship team.

I think the hatred of Parker in here is a combination of him being the most arrogant out of the big 3, his playboy lifestyle, and people having unreal expectations.

[Spurs1234]

Parker played great game one and two of the 2003 finals. And without looking it up I seem to remember him playing very well in the first three rounds. He was a solid contributor and at least brought some speed to the team. The year I remember tony taking the leap was 2005-2006. Even in 2004-2005, he was not quite there yet (Manu was). But hey he did play Chauncey billups close enough to win the 2005 finals.

[Sean Cagney]

Parker played great game one and two of the 2003 finals. And without looking it up I seem to remember him playing very well in the first three rounds. He was a solid contributor and at least brought some speed to the team. The year I remember tony taking the leap was 2005-2006. Even in 2004-2005, he was not quite there yet (Manu was). But hey he did play Chauncey billups close enough to win the 2005 finals.

He was pretty bad in those 2005 Finals but you are right on the rest above, he was always killer against the Suns etc. He would match Nash and go at him, was a huge part of the Spurs defeating the Suns.
Parker was always pretty good come playoff time prior to 2015 when matched up with opposing PG's outside of Marbury in '03. The opposition come playoff time after a few games would change up the strategy of having a PG guard Parker and switch a SG or an SF on him. Hell I remember Lebron guarding Parker at times during the '13 finals. Parker tended to struggle once the switch was made. It goes to show you how good Parker was that teams had to put their best perimeter defender on him during the playoffs. Anyways they are only 4 PG's that have playoff experience of playing 50 games or more that have shot better FG percentage wise than Parker during the playoffs the last 26 years. Those PG's are Stockton,Nash,Kevin Johnson,CP3. The PG position is the easier position on the court to guard hence why they tend not to shoot high percentages during the playoffs and why it's rare for a PG to be the best player on a championship team.

I think the hatred of Parker in here is a combination of him being the most arrogant out of the big 3, his playboy lifestyle, and people having unreal expectations.Yes, he was definitely the most hated out of the big three I agree. I liked Tim and Gino better personally too and at times would talk trash about Parker but he was pretty solid for the Spurs for so long I just have to like the guy as a fan of the team.

[SASdynasty!]

He was pretty bad in those 2005 Finals but you are right on the rest above, he was always killer against the Suns etc. He would match Nash and go at him, was a huge part of the Spurs defeating the Suns.Yes, he was definitely the most hated out of the big three I agree. I liked Tim and Gino better personally too and at times would talk trash about Parker but he was pretty solid for the Spurs for so long I just have to like the guy as a fan of the team.
Yah the 2005 playoffs in general for Parker were pretty good (17.1 PPG on 45% shooting). That next year he jumped to 21.1 PPG on better shooting in the playoffs. Keep in mind, he was 22 in the 2005 playoff run, so still a college-age player. But once he hit 23, he was above 20 PPG in the playoffs even to the point where he averaged 28.6 PPG on 55% shooting by 2009, while averaging 6.8 APG and 4.2 RPG. He really has 2 primes (2006-2009 & 2012-2014).

[Keepin' it real]

Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.

That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.

Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQUNgJKjXyw

Here's to you, Parker!

:bobo

[Sean Cagney]

Yah the 2005 playoffs in general for Parker were pretty good (17.1 PPG on 45% shooting). That next year he jumped to 21.1 PPG on better shooting in the playoffs. Keep in mind, he was 22 in the 2005 playoff run, so still a college-age player. But once he hit 23, he was above 20 PPG in the playoffs even to the point where he averaged 28.6 PPG on 55% shooting by 2009, while averaging 6.8 APG and 4.2 RPG. He really has 2 primes (2006-2009 & 2012-2014).

Tony was a huge part of the big three, some hating won't admit that but dude got busy during some of those playoff series.

[SASdynasty!]

Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.

That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.

Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQUNgJKjXyw

Here's to you, Parker!

:bobo
Yes sir! One of the more important stops in Spurs history. Sacrificed his face for the W. Also got the huge steal on Lebron at the end of 6.

[ducks]

Not sure why he listened to his wife he beat her

[Chillen]

Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.

That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.

Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQUNgJKjXyw

Here's to you, Parker!

:bobo

Horry was a former Laker. Kawhi can take a few things from Horry's performance in this 2005 NBA Finals game. Horry was a real man, a real Spur, he stepped up to help the Spurs get the crucial win. That is what a real winner does, steps up in key pivotal moments when no one expected it.

They don't cry for a trade to the Lakers.

[elbamba]

Horry was a former Laker. Kawhi can take a few things from Horry's performance in this 2005 NBA Finals game. Horry was a real man, a real Spur, he stepped up to help the Spurs get the crucial win. That is what a real winner does, steps up in key pivotal moments when no one expected it.

They don't cry for a trade to the Lakers.

Horry did plenty of crying before LA when he was playing for the Suns.

[JPB]

Tony Parker (not David, Tim, or even Kawhi) made the best defensive play in Spurs history in the 2005 NBA Finals when he D'ed up Rip Hamilton on the final play of game 5.

That's right, Tony freakin' Parker. Without that masterful defense, Detroit scores and wins, wiping out Horry's greatest game as a Spur, and likely leading to a Piston repeat.

Here you go in case you need a reminder (about the 12 minute mark):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQUNgJKjXyw

Here's to you, Parker!

:bobo

HOTS taking the elbow like a big boy...

How many fouls do the refs call on that play today ?

[tholdren]

HOTS taking the elbow like a big boy...

How many fouls do the refs call on that play today ?

Todays players couldnt handle 2k let alone 1990s or 80s etc. Game has disregarded all physicality and fundamentals.

[james evans]

Horry did plenty of crying before LA when he was playing for the Suns.
Even threw a towel in his coach’s face during a game lol

[cutewizard]

But the possibilities would have been immense:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmp1qA4VRdA




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJyvb3h440I