Mr Trump update today obliterates supreme justice Ginsberg, catches Shillary in polls [Archive]

FromWayDowntown

07-13-2016, 10:18 AM

CosmicCowboy

07-13-2016, 10:51 AM

So calling Justice Ginsberg names is an obliteration?

Winning arguments has become so easy now, I guess. No need to worry about substance -- just throw around a couple of insults (regardless of their factual foundation) and you can declare yourself not just a winner but a winner in such grand terms that you've actually obliterated someone, and all without need of even indulging the substance of her argument.

Do you have an opinion on a supreme court justice involving herself in a presidential election? It is rather unprecedented.

clambake

07-13-2016, 10:53 AM

yeah, that was odd. has that happened in the past with little notice? i don't recall.

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 10:55 AM

So calling Justice Ginsberg names is an obliteration?

For hater it is.

When one is a poster child for low skills at critical thinking and the Donning Kruger effect, that is all such people really have.

Sad.

Edward

07-13-2016, 10:56 AM

So calling Justice Ginsberg names is an obliteration?

Winning arguments has become so easy now, I guess. No need to worry about substance -- just throw around a couple of insults (regardless of their factual foundation) and you can declare yourself not just a winner but a winner in such grand terms that you've actually obliterated someone, and all without need of even indulging the substance of her argument.
I agree with most of your post, but in this particular case, trump won the minute Ginsburg decided to comment on him as a candidate. The Supreme Court isn't supposed to be weighing in on political races, this is the latest case of trump baiting someone into doing something out of character and stooping to his level.

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 10:59 AM

Do you have an opinion on a supreme court justice involving herself in a presidential election? It is rather unprecedented.

Meh.

My take mirrors almost exactly this guy:

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/07/constitution-check-do-supreme-court-justices-have-a-right-to-comment-on-politics/

In short: fully within her rights to comment, but a bit unwise. A broach of decorum.

Far less inappropriate that implying someones heritage makes them unfit to adjudicate a lawsuit.

boutons_deux

07-13-2016, 11:01 AM

Edward

07-13-2016, 11:03 AM

"Supreme Court isn't supposed to be weighing in on political races"

:lol says who? law? regulations?

The extreme rigthwingnut SCOTUS has weighed HEAVILY on political races, by gutting the VRA, "corporations are people", "money is speech", etc.

Agreed, the Supreme Court conservatives taking obvious partisan stances on rulings such as bush v gore was completely outside the realm of what the Supreme Court is supposed to do. That doesn't excuse Ginsburg for engaging in partisan politics herself.

boutons_deux

07-13-2016, 11:06 AM

Agreed, the Supreme Court conservatives taking obvious partisan stances on rulings such as bush v gore was completely outside the realm of what the Supreme Court is supposed to do. That doesn't excuse Ginsburg for engaging in partisan politics herself.

so rightwingnut VRWC tool judges can screw with politics, but leftwing judges need to STFU?

FromWayDowntown

07-13-2016, 11:07 AM

Do you have an opinion on a supreme court justice involving herself in a presidential election? It is rather unprecedented.

I do. But that wasn't the point of the OP.

And in a world where Bush v. Gore still exists, I'm not sure her "involvement" in a presidential election is "unprecedented."

Edward

07-13-2016, 11:07 AM

Edward

07-13-2016, 11:12 AM

:lmao he calls Gisbert a fucking basket case and says her old senile mind is shot :lmao

Damn what an epic obliteration

He has also caught up with Shillary in 3 swing states

:lmao its happening and I called it from day one :tu

I also called Trump/Christie ticket months ago btw. Will bump when official :lol
I think Christie wants AG more than VP. Gingrich would be his best bet as running mate imo.

boutons_deux

07-13-2016, 11:14 AM

Boo is the king of straw man arguments. I didn't say Ginsburg broke any laws or regulations by commenting on trump, I'm saying she did something improper and out of character and that it's another examples of trump baiting another politician into hurting his/herself, the same way he baited Jeb/Rubio/etc.

The lady's character is just fine, and her brain isn't shot, as Trash says.

Like all serious people, she's horrified by Trash and the 10Ms supporting him.

If Trash brings a case before her, she can recuse herself (something the Repug judges don't do).

SnakeBoy

07-13-2016, 11:45 AM

Meh. I'm a Democrat and don't really care about anything except that my team wins.

fify

rmt

07-13-2016, 11:49 AM

FromWayDowntown

07-13-2016, 12:02 PM

Maybe she thinks she's above the Code of Conduct for US judges.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/13/ginsburg-under-fire-from-both-sides-over-highly-inappropriate-trump-comments.html

I'm quite sure she doesn't believe that.

She clearly shouldn't have said what she said and she's being rightly criticized for having inserted herself into the political discourse in this manner. Still, it's not as though her opinion in this regard would be surprising to anyone who is remotely aware of the Supreme Court (nor, for that matter, would an opinion by Justice Alito or Justice Thomas hoping against the election of Hillary Clinton).

For whatever it's worth, any actual violation of that Code is the violation of an aspirational set of thoughts about judicial behavior that carries no mandatory penalties for its violation -- saying someone "should" do something is quite different than saying someone "must" do it.

Nevertheless, I'm sure also that those who disagree with her jurisprudence will (or already have chosen to) see this as a justification for urging her impeachment or removal otherwise from the Supreme Court.

hater

07-13-2016, 01:02 PM

I think Christie wants AG more than VP. Gingrich would be his best bet as running mate imo.

But ginrich looks like a damn leprechaun :lol

At least Christie althou looks like a gay hippo has some kind of human resemblance

hater

07-13-2016, 01:04 PM

I'm quite sure she doesn't believe that.

She clearly shouldn't have said what she said and she's being rightly criticized for having inserted herself into the political discourse in this manner. Still, it's not as though her opinion in this regard would be surprising to anyone who is remotely aware of the Supreme Court (nor, for that matter, would an opinion by Justice Alito or Justice Thomas hoping against the election of Hillary Clinton).

For whatever it's worth, any actual violation of that Code is the violation of an aspirational set of thoughts about judicial behavior that carries no mandatory penalties for its violation -- saying someone "should" do something is quite different than saying someone "must" do it.

Nevertheless, I'm sure also that those who disagree with her jurisprudence will (or already have chosen to) see this as a justification for urging her impeachment or removal otherwise from the Supreme Court.

She got demolished. Lets move on :lol

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 01:07 PM

fify

I guess.

Is her commentary anything other than a breech of decorum?

How exactly has my being a Democrat affected my opinion in this case?

I am perfectly willing to hold Democrats feet to the fire when they do something stupid/wrong, so your criticism really is more your assuming that other people think like you do, a very human thing to do, but in this case, leads to you conclude something that is a bit stupid.

Do not confuse my overall exasperation with the continual failures of conservatives and conservative policy with an unwillingness to criticize my own party.

I await your complete inability to back up your bullshit with anything that approaches reason.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-07/1/20/enhanced/webdr11/enhanced-24388-1404262778-14.jpg

boutons_deux

07-13-2016, 01:09 PM

Scalia and his rightwingnut buddies diddled around in politics, under false pretenses, by ELECTING dubya and dickhead, but RBG can't express an opinion about Trash?

:lol

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 01:14 PM

“However valid her comments may have been, though, and however in keeping with her known political bent, they were still much, much better left unsaid by a member of the Supreme Court,” The Washington Post’s editorial board said Tuesday. “Politicization, real or perceived, undermines public faith in the impartiality of the courts.”

The board noted the Code of Conduct for U.S. judges says that a “judge should not . . . publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office.”

The New York Times also chimed in: “Washington is more than partisan enough without the spectacle of a Supreme Court justice flinging herself into the mosh pit."

Maybe she thinks she's above the Code of Conduct for US judges.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/13/ginsburg-under-fire-from-both-sides-over-highly-inappropriate-trump-comments.html

It should be said quickly in response that the reality is that the code of judicial ethics has never been understood by most members of the Supreme Court as actually binding on them. Over the years, most Justices have voluntarily sought to observe the ethical norms, but they have drawn the line at having those enforced against them. They have done so as a matter of principle: the Founders intended the Supreme Court to be truly independent. The Constitution provides the only form of punishment if they stray too far from what the political branches of the government want or believe to be proper: the congressional power of impeachment.
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/07/constitution-check-do-supreme-court-justices-have-a-right-to-comment-on-politics/

SCOTUS is above the specific ethical rules applied to federal judges, in line with the general spirit of the constitution in setting up a co-equal branch of government.

http://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/RBG-Meme-2.jpg

Will Hunting

07-13-2016, 01:29 PM

But ginrich looks like a damn leprechaun :lol

At least Christie althou looks like a gay hippo has some kind of human resemblance

Christie looks like someone you'd read about in a Michael Lewis book for the way he would berate interns and make them go on 7 cheeseburger runs everyday because he wanted to be considered the biggest asshole in the fixed income department at Solomon Brothers. He does nothing to appeal to rust belt voters in battleground states.

Gingrich meanwhile isn't considered an establishment shill but is credible enough to not be considered a loon. He's also an expert at condescendingly getting under people's skin the way Trump is :lol

hitmanyr2k

07-13-2016, 01:33 PM

People parrot Trump's bitching and moaning about political correctness. Someone gives their honest opinion about Trump's candidacy (and it's truthful lol) and mental midgets go to pieces over it. The guy running for the highest office in the land can hide behind the politically incorrect shield when he goes after war vets, "stupid" leaders, Mexican judges and disabled people but then whines like a bitch and plays victim when he's criticized by a judge.

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 01:36 PM

She got demolished. Lets move on :lol

https://artlaw.foxrothschildblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2015/10/Notrious-RBG.gif

LOL hater

It takes a special kind of intellect to think that Trump has the intellectual chops to take out any SCOTUS justice.

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 01:40 PM

Christie looks like someone you'd read about in a Michael Lewis book for the way he would berate interns and make them go on 7 cheeseburger runs everyday because he wanted to be considered the biggest asshole in the fixed income department at Solomon Brothers. He does nothing to appeal to rust belt voters in battleground states.

Gingrich meanwhile isn't considered an establishment shill but is credible enough to not be considered a loon. He's also an expert at condescendingly getting under people's skin the way Trump is :lol

I am still shocked by the servile way Christie gave in to Trump after Trump clinched it. Lost any respect for him at that press conference, dude did everything but walk around with his tail bebween his legs whining.

Will Hunting

07-13-2016, 01:46 PM

I am still shocked by the servile way Christie gave in to Trump after Trump clinched it. Lost any respect for him at that press conference, dude did everything but walk around with his tail bebween his legs whining.

Christie has never been more than the run-of-the-mill whore who cares more about advancing his political career and advocating for any ideals, so idk why you'd expect anything different. I lost a lot more respect for him going the Rudy Giuliani rout during the primary and trotting out the fact he happened to be a NY politician during 9/11 as if that gave him some magical experience.

pgardn

07-13-2016, 01:59 PM

Scalia would be proud of her.

The guy who commented to the press that enemy combatants had no rights exactly BEFORE the SC took the case up, yep, Scalia. I think this might be why they liked each other so much. Scalia shot his mouth off constantly. Ginsburg taking a huge step probably would have pleased him because I would be willing to make a huge bet he disliked Trump immensely, just like he disliked no brains Clarence Thomas.

FromWayDowntown

07-13-2016, 02:07 PM

She got demolished. Lets move on :lol

Sure. Insults = Demolition, I guess, substance be damned. And, really, all of life is only about who can "demolish" others.

By the way, if Justice Ginsberg is truly what Mr. Trump claims she is, then why would Mr. Trump even bother to address what she had to say? Does he spend much time insulting those purported to have limited mental capacities in keeping with his ongoing efforts at diminishing other groups that aren't within his own demographics?

elbamba

07-13-2016, 02:25 PM

This means about as much as Alito shaking his head during the state of the union speak 6 or 7 years ago. Absolutely nothing.

CosmicCowboy

07-13-2016, 02:38 PM

Ignignokt

07-13-2016, 02:59 PM

Liberals got
BTFO
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Pelicans78

07-13-2016, 03:04 PM

Do you have an opinion on a supreme court justice involving herself in a presidential election? It is rather unprecedented.

Very unprecendented and it actually helps Trump more than hurt. Not sure what she was thinking.

101A

07-13-2016, 03:09 PM

SnakeBoy

07-13-2016, 03:24 PM

I am perfectly willing to hold Democrats feet to the fire when they do something stupid/wrong

When has that ever happened? Provide examples please.

hater

07-13-2016, 03:26 PM

Sure. Insults = Demolition, I guess, substance be damned. And, really, all of life is only about who can "demolish" others.

By the way, if Justice Ginsberg is truly what Mr. Trump claims she is, then why would Mr. Trump even bother to address what she had to say? Does he spend much time insulting those purported to have limited mental capacities in keeping with his ongoing efforts at diminishing other groups that aren't within his own demographics?

She opened her mouth and got her ass handed to her. She is a supreme justice and now... Not a peep from her

Demolished. What other human has demolished a supreme justice the way Trump has???

hater

07-13-2016, 03:27 PM

Btw its hilarious libtards ignoring the 2nd part of my post. Trump has caught ambassadokilla in 3 swing states :lol

CosmicCowboy

07-13-2016, 03:30 PM

Trump should thank her. She just gave him another 300 million in free advertising.

FromWayDowntown

07-13-2016, 03:50 PM

She opened her mouth and got her ass handed to her. She is a supreme justice and now... Not a peep from her

Again, how? All he did was insult her. Is that all anyone has to do to "demolish" someone else? Throw around a bunch of insults and claim victory?

Man, it's Idiocracy.

Reck

07-13-2016, 04:01 PM

Considering Hillary just got put on blast by the FBI director and still has a lead, that's pretty good.

The Bernie endorsement will give her a huge boost.

Reck

07-13-2016, 04:02 PM

Btw its hilarious libtards ignoring the 2nd part of my post. Trump has caught ambassadokilla in 3 swing states :lol

Which ones? :lol

http://i63.tinypic.com/25jbc3n.jpg

ducks

07-13-2016, 04:33 PM

Herman Cain: 'Attack Dog' Gingrich Is Just What Trump Needs

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 04:45 PM

When has that ever happened? Provide examples please.

Quid pro quo.

I can remember a couple of times I have cricized Democrats, both collectively, and specific Democrats.

If I take the time to find them, will you try to find instances where you have done the same for Republicans?

(edit)
Further, if I do, what does that say about your preconceived notions about liberals in general or myself?

I would be a lot more willing to spend the time finding them, if I thought you might admit you erred, or were unfair.

hater

07-13-2016, 04:49 PM

Considering Hillary just got put on blast by the FBI director and still has a lead, that's pretty good.

The Bernie endorsement will give her a huge boost.

Not after what Trump said about Bernie. He told Bernie supporters their idol sold out and he welcomes them with open arms :lmao

hater

07-13-2016, 04:49 PM

Again, how? All he did was insult her. Is that all anyone has to do to "demolish" someone else? Throw around a bunch of insults and claim victory?

Man, it's Idiocracy.

Who shut who up? Who's not opening her mouth anymore and will not dare to again?

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 04:51 PM

Trump should thank her. She just gave him another 300 million in free advertising.

Pretty much.

Although this means he is picking fights with the Congress (speaker of the house) and SCOTUS. The Speaker of the House has had to actively denounce some of Trumps more egregious racism.

Trumps business experience at the top of a pyramid doesn't seem to be helping him when there are two other co-equal branches of government.

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 04:59 PM

When has that ever happened? Provide examples please.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231627&page=2&p=7263588&viewfull=1#post7263588

Yeah. I am no fan of the Koch brothers, but the bloviating [on the part of Democrats about them] is annoying even dyed in the wool Democrats like myself.

Democrats bloviate about the Koch Brothers too much.

There's one, found within a quick search.

Your turn. Quid pro quo.

If you can't find a place where you criticize Republicans, why is that?

SnakeBoy

07-13-2016, 05:00 PM

Quid pro quo.

I can remember a couple of times I have cricized Democrats, both collectively, and specific Democrats.

If I take the time to find them, will you try to find instances where you have done the same for Republicans?

(edit)
Further, if I do, what does that say about your preconceived notions about liberals in general or myself?

I would be a lot more willing to spend the time finding them, if I thought you might admit you erred, or were unfair.

Sure will Buddy

FromWayDowntown

07-13-2016, 05:06 PM

Who shut who up? Who's not opening her mouth anymore and will not dare to again?

You're right. She'll never publicly express an opinion on any subject ever again.

I guess the idea of being demolished means that someone insults you and everything in your life remains exactly as it had been before you were insulted.

#DEMOLISHED

ducks

07-13-2016, 05:08 PM

Steve Forbes, the chairman and editor-in-chief of Forbes Media, said Tuesday he was supporting Donald Trump

RandomGuy

07-13-2016, 05:09 PM

Who shut who up? Who's not opening her mouth anymore and will not dare to again?

Donning Kruger.

Reck

07-13-2016, 05:16 PM

Not after what Trump said about Bernie. He told Bernie supporters their idol sold out and he welcomes them with open arms :lmao

And your point is? They're not going to go to Trump. :lol

These new batches of polls doesn't reflect Bernie's endorsement.

Also..

The Pew poll (http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/2016-campaign-strong-interest-widespread-dissatisfaction/) shows 85 percent of Sanders backers will support Clinton, while just 9 percent say they'll back Donald Trump. That's a significantly faster rallying effect (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/26/donald-trumps-bad-month-just-got-worse-because-bernie-backers-just-rallied-to-clinton/) than Democrats saw after their drawn-out primary in 2008.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/08/bernie-sanders-voters-will-support-hillary-clinton-en-masse-while-holding-their-noses/

That was before the endorsement. With him behind Hillary, that number should move to maybe 90% or something close to that.

Most of the Bernie or Bust crowd won't vote for Trump, they'll go Stein.

Spurminator

07-13-2016, 05:27 PM

Most of the Bernie or Bust crowd won't vote for Trump, they'll go Stein.

I expect the non-establishment vote to be pretty evenly split between Stein and Johnson. I've been surprised (but not really) by the number of Bernie supporters saying they're now in the Johnson camp.

hater

07-13-2016, 05:33 PM

You're right. She'll never publicly express an opinion on any subject ever again.

I guess the idea of being demolished means that someone insults you and everything in your life remains exactly as it had been before you were insulted.

#DEMOLISHED

I can tell you she wont publicly express her opinion on trump for the rest of the year :lol

And most likely the following 8 :lol

Reck

07-13-2016, 05:43 PM

I expect the non-establishment vote to be pretty evenly split between Stein and Johnson. I've been surprised (but not really) by the number of Bernie supporters saying they're now in the Johnson camp.

Which shows how stupid the Bernie or Bust movement is. No offense if you're a Bernie suppoter but choosing Johnson is as retarded as going the Trump route.

He's a nightmare on abortion rights, the ecomony and so many more other issues.

At least Jill Stein is a Bernie wannabe who actually wants to implement some of his stuff.

boutons_deux

07-13-2016, 06:34 PM

Steve Forbes, the chairman and editor-in-chief of Forbes Media, said Tuesday he was supporting Donald Trump

Just another inherited billionaire taking care of his own wealth.

Reck

07-13-2016, 06:53 PM

What is it with Trump and calling anyone to resign if they dont talk nice about him.

Inferiority complex.

ducks

07-13-2016, 06:55 PM

I do not even rember any supreme court judge say anything in a presidentally race
unheard of

Spurminator

07-13-2016, 06:58 PM

We've never had a candidate like Trump either.

ducks

07-13-2016, 07:17 PM

no kinding most votes ever

hater

07-13-2016, 07:43 PM

no kinding most votes ever

He possibly will. He's one of the greatest leaders to ever emerge from thus country.

We should all be proud to be alive to witness this greatness tbqb

spankadelphia

07-13-2016, 08:27 PM

Liberals are the ones who politicized the highest court in the land. Now the clown car will be turned against them when the Trumpenkrieg is finally underway.

*mass deportations begin*
*progressive NGO's and think tanks burned to the ground*
*media held accountable for libel and propagandizing the public*
*George Soros hung from the neck on the WH lawn*

"Y-y-you can't d-d-do that it's un-c-c-constitutional!"

https://i.imgur.com/EKgclJS.pngNot anymore.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-13-2016, 09:33 PM

What he does with his hair just looks absurd. Somebody needs to snatch his hat off one time when he is wearing it to see how he reacts.

pgardn

07-13-2016, 10:27 PM

Not after what Trump said about Bernie. He told Bernie supporters their idol sold out and he welcomes them with open arms :lmao

They will do shit for him you moron.

So so bets on, you leave the board in November, or when Hillary actually takes office? Which one?

pgardn

07-13-2016, 11:18 PM

As far as precedence

As recently as election night, 2000, when NBC declared for Democratic candidate Al Gore, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor told the guests at an election party that the Democrat’s election victory was “terrible.” (Of course, her criticism was a little premature, as we now know.) She then went on to participate in making sure nothing so terrible would happen, casting the crucial fifth vote in Bush v. Gore without blinking an eye.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-supreme-court-politics-history-214044#ixzz4ELxHCsAE
Follow us: @politico on Twitter (http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bKDyiUp9mr3OhNab7jrHcU&u=politico) | Politico on Facebook (http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bKDyiUp9mr3OhNab7jrHcU&u=Politico)

From Politico,which of course is liberal, but if true she should have recused herself.

ElNono

07-14-2016, 12:39 AM

Aztecfan03

07-14-2016, 01:18 AM

:lmao he calls Gisbert a fucking basket case and says her old senile mind is shot :lmao

He is right for once.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 01:52 AM

pgardn

07-14-2016, 09:44 AM

:lol Politico is liberal?

Absolutely.

Tell me what kind of advertising you see that is political in nature?

And when I say you, I assume you understand that some of those adds have come from firms that try to pin down your personal tastes for the magazine.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 09:56 AM

Just this morning.
Its always something like this. Are you with Hillary, are you with Bernie (when he was still in)
what kind of ads to you get?

http://i67.tinypic.com/r2nszm.jpg

pgardn

07-14-2016, 09:59 AM

So look up American Bridge 21st Century.
Have you ever seen an adv from a conservative Pac, etc.. in Politico?
I have not.

So now we probably discuss what is really liberal and really conservative.
Please no...

FromWayDowntown

07-14-2016, 10:31 AM

:lol asking for arguments and substance... might aswell draw blood from a rock...

I know. I know. Pure folly.

ducks

07-14-2016, 10:57 AM

RandomGuy

07-14-2016, 12:23 PM

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg says she regrets her ill-advised public criticism of Donald Trump. Ginsburg says in a statement issued by the court on Thursday that judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ruth-bader-ginsburg-apologizes-for-bashing-donald-trump-144136409.html?nhp=1

“On reflection, my recent remarks in response to press inquiries were ill-advised and I regret making them. Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office. In the future I will be more circumspect,”

As noted, it was a broach of etiquette. She probably should have refrained from giving an interview with statements like that.

Good that she took responsibility for the remarks.

boutons_deux

07-14-2016, 12:31 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ruth-bader-ginsburg-apologizes-for-bashing-donald-trump-144136409.html?nhp=1

As noted, it was a broach of etiquette. She probably should have refrained from giving an interview with statements like that.

Good that she took responsibility for the remarks.

She still has more balls than the entire Repug Congress and the rigthwing hate media.

She speaks the truth, get trashed.

Repugs LIE out of every orifice, and get away with it

spurraider21

07-14-2016, 02:14 PM

So trump calls her out and insults her... Then she apologizes. Power move

ducks

07-14-2016, 02:15 PM

She still has more balls than the entire Repug Congress and the rigthwing hate media.

She speaks the truth, get trashed.

Repugs LIE out of every orifice, and get away with it

she has no balls she a pussy
second of all she said I was wrong so she admitted she made a mistake

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 02:37 PM

Absolutely.

Tell me what kind of advertising you see that is political in nature?

And when I say you, I assume you understand that some of those adds have come from firms that try to pin down your personal tastes for the magazine.

Pulling a CC and expecting me to support your assertion?

I looked it up to see wehre such claims came from and I found the dailycaller and breitbart making such claims. Sorry man but I don't buy it. FWIW, I also found something saying they were conservative. When I see that it says to me that they are more impartial than most.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 02:41 PM

Just this morning.
Its always something like this. Are you with Hillary, are you with Bernie (when he was still in)
what kind of ads to you get?

http://i67.tinypic.com/r2nszm.jpg

I use adblock and advertisement does not control content. It's a third party who pays for the space and are not indicative of the pubs political leanings.

Conservatives go to Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge and Daily Caller to be spoonfed. That doesn't make everyone else liberal.

hater

07-14-2016, 03:02 PM

:lmao so after getting her ass handed to her, she apologized to Trump :lmao

My god this man is magnificent :wow

hater

07-14-2016, 03:03 PM

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg says she regrets her ill-advised public criticism of Donald Trump. Ginsburg says in a statement issued by the court on Thursday that judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office.

:lmao she might as well resign as she has been completely embarrassed and will be remembered in history as Trumps punching bag

hater

07-14-2016, 03:05 PM

Why do these idiot so called "experts" keep throwing softballs at Trump?? Nigga is batting .459 at this point. Too easy :lol

spurraider21

07-14-2016, 03:08 PM

So for the strong conservatives on this board, can you guys provide a list of acceptable news/media sources outside of Fox/brietbart/daily caller/freebeacon

hater

07-14-2016, 03:10 PM

So for the strong conservatives on this board, can you guys provide a list of acceptable news/media sources outside of Fox/brietbart/daily caller/freebeacon

I'm no conservative but One America News Network seems pretty decent and they have jumped on Lord Trumps wagon as well :lol

Reck

07-14-2016, 03:27 PM

One America News Network seems pretty decent

:lmao

They are on par with Rasmussen.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 06:29 PM

I use adblock and advertisement does not control content. It's a third party who pays for the space and are not indicative of the pubs political leanings.

Conservatives go to Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge and Daily Caller to be spoonfed. That doesn't make everyone else liberal.

The ad I posted is from a liberal group IMO. I have never seen anything close to a Conservative slant ad on this site.
This is clearly a liberal site. There is nothing wrong with it. But call it what it is. Liberal.

So you really don't think Politico leans left? Really?
I totally disagree.

And conservatives going to conservative sites and being spoon fed has nothing to do with my assertion.

TeyshaBlue

07-14-2016, 06:36 PM

I dont think it leans left at all...seems pretty straight down the middle to me.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 06:36 PM

Pulling a CC and expecting me to support your assertion?

I looked it up to see wehre such claims came from and I found the dailycaller and breitbart making such claims. Sorry man but I don't buy it. FWIW, I also found something saying they were conservative. When I see that it says to me that they are more impartial than most.

Look up who paid for the ad.

Pulling a CC? I don't know wtf that means.

You laughed that I labeled Politico as a liberal leaning site. You think that's wrong. I think the articles and especially the ads make my assertion valid. How would you label Politico? Neutral? I also think that wapo and the nytimes lean left but they are among my favorite papers for good info.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 06:37 PM

I dont think it leans left at all...seems pretty straight down the middle to me.

Then why all the ads for Democrats?

Thats all I have ever seen?

So of course I disagree. It does not mean it's a propaganda machine like FOX.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 06:39 PM

The ad I posted is from a liberal group. I have never seen anything close to a Conservative slant ad on this site.
This is clearly a liberal site. There is nothing wrong with it. But call it what it is. Liberal.

So you really don't think Politico leans left? Really?
I totally disagree.

And conservatives going to conservative sites and being spoon fed has nothing to do with my assertion.

So you base a sites political leaning by ads instead of by actual content. One of the more asinine things I have read here.

You have anything objective to support this as I said the only thing I heard that claimed this was breitbart and daily caller. You have the ads that are shown to you to support it. Anything else other than your own echo chamber?

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 06:42 PM

Look up who paid for the ad.

Pulling a CC? I don't know wtf that means.

You laughed that I labeled Politico as a liberal leaning site. You think that's wrong. I think the articles and especially the ads make my assertion valid. How would you label Politico? Neutral? I also think that wapo and the nytimes lean left but they are among my favorite papers for good info.

Again the ads are paid for by third parties. Your logic just sucks. Any evidence that they bias what ads they allow or not?

Yes neutral. They have been accused by both sides of being biased towards the other.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 06:43 PM

So you base a sites political leaning by ads instead of by actual content. One of the more asinine things I have read here.

You have anything objective to support this as I said the only thing I heard that claimed this was breitbart and daily caller. You have the ads that are shown to you to support it. Anything else other than your own echo chamber?

So you think the ads have nothing to do with the type of readers a site attracts?

Seriously?

pgardn

07-14-2016, 06:46 PM

Again the ads are paid for by third parties. Your logic just sucks. Any evidence that they bias what ads they allow or not?

Yes neutral. They have been accused by both sides of being biased towards the other.

Advertising put ads on sites that attract certain types of readers.

During a presidential election and congress I have not seen one Republican add? You don't find this curious?

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 06:52 PM

So you think the ads have nothing to do with the type of readers a site attracts?

Seriously?

I have no idea what ads they show on aggregate. You handwaving at a personal anecdote is fun and all though. Do you have anything that corroborates your shit other than this?

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 06:53 PM

Advertising put ads on sites that attract certain types of readers.

During a presidential election and congress I have not seen one Republican add? You don't find this curious?

Again other than personal anecdotes on advertisements do you have anything to support this? You cannot even mention the actual content.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 07:14 PM

Again other than personal anecdotes on advertisements do you have anything to support this? You cannot even mention the actual content.

Personal anecdote...

Look up the advertisers on this site and tell me they are not left leaning.

And absolutely yes, advertising follows very closely to clientele. This is a very good way of determine type of reader a site attracts. This ain't rocket science. You don't find hunting advertising on vegan sites.

And yes I consider most of politico liberal leaning yet very informative. Just like the Ny times and Washington post. Even though they are very good IMO. You want me to compile a list of all the articles I have read and point to particular places where an alternative view could be presented?

Yes. I can indeed do this. But you see I, like many others, make generalizations based on years reading stuff. Yes?

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 07:19 PM

Personal anecdote...

Look up the advertisers on this site and tell me they are not left leaning.

And absolutely yes, advertising follows very closely to clientele. This is a very good way of determine type of reader a site attracts. This ain't rocket science. You don't find hunting advertising on vegan sites.

And yes I consider most of politico liberal leaning yet very informative. Just like the Ny times and Washington post. Even though they are very good IMO.

So you still have nothing and are waving your hands at a personal anecdote on advertising. Are you going to make a case on the actual news reporting of the site or you going to continue to try this brain-dead backdoor approach?

Think what you want in your own echo chamber. What do you see as an objective site then? You just seem to be spouting the Fox News marketing campaign about the 'liberal media' which boils down to anything not them.

TeyshaBlue

07-14-2016, 07:53 PM

Personal anecdote...

Look up the advertisers on this site and tell me they are not left leaning.

And absolutely yes, advertising follows very closely to clientele. This is a very good way of determine type of reader a site attracts. This ain't rocket science. You don't find hunting advertising on vegan sites.

And yes I consider most of politico liberal leaning yet very informative. Just like the Ny times and Washington post. Even though they are very good IMO. You want me to compile a list of all the articles I have read and point to particular places where an alternative view could be presented?

Yes. I can indeed do this. But you see I, like many others, make generalizations based on years reading stuff. Yes?
The ads or the alledged "clientele" didnt write the articles. Jeebus.

SnakeBoy

07-14-2016, 08:00 PM

Trump is going to stumble into the oval office if the rest of the summer is anything like the last month or so.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 08:08 PM

The ads or the alledged "clientele" didnt write the articles. Jeebus.

Of course not. But are you going to advertise for Bernie in the Drudge report.

Seriously, looking closely what ads are used in sites tells one a lot about the READERS.

So. Why no Republican ads? Not for senate house nothing? Plenty for Democrats. You don't think this indicates anything? Seriously? And do you think wapo and nytimes are more left leaning? We may just have a different definition of liberal and conservative. I am from Texas so, there's that...

z0sa

07-14-2016, 08:12 PM

After the apology, I'd have to actually agree with the OP, at least, the merits of his assertion. She definitely felt the pinch.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 08:26 PM

So you still have nothing and are waving your hands at a personal anecdote on advertising. Are you going to make a case on the actual news reporting of the site or you going to continue to try this brain-dead backdoor approach?

Think what you want in your own echo chamber. What do you see as an objective site then? You just seem to be spouting the Fox News marketing campaign about the 'liberal media' which boils down to anything not them.

Usa today.

Now, is wapo and the nytimes left leaning in your opinion? It may be our relative environment. Like I said to Blue I live in Texas and have been called a raving liberal. And by self proclaimed socialists as conservative.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 08:42 PM

Of course not. But are you going to advertise for Bernie in the Drudge report.

Seriously, looking closely what ads are used in sites tells one a lot about the READERS.

So. Why no Republican ads? Not for senate house nothing? Plenty for Democrats. You don't think this indicates anything? Seriously? And do you think wapo and nytimes are more left leaning? We may just have a different definition of liberal and conservative. I am from Texas so, there's that...

Advertisement is about trying to garner votes. You aren't going to to buy new votes advertising to the liberal base. You target independents.

Your logic still sucks.

http://static.politico.com/e6/85/34b62ce34ee4a9c9a0426adf8244/audience-demographic-stats.jpg

Here is mediamatters claim that the site is biased against the dems:

But those outside groups might not need to when they have the right-wing echo chamber doing their dirty tricks for them and Politico to amplify their smears.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/26/politico-helps-right-wing-echo-chamber-use-bill/201717

Here is their page detailing all the articles they see ar right leaning: http://mediamatters.org/networks-and-outlets/politico?p=1&s=15

Then of course there is the other side.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/buzzfeed-politico-cant-get-enough-of-that-d/

During that same period, and perhaps not coincidentally, Politico has come under sustained criticism from many observers, including Fox News Channel anchors and several prominent radio hosts, for exhibiting liberal bias in its news stories.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/02/under-assault-for-liberal-bias-politicos-traffic-dives/

When both sides are complaining then I see it as a good deal. Think whatever bullshit you like.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 08:48 PM

Usa today.

Now, is wapo and the nytimes left leaning in your opinion? It may be our relative environment. Like I said to Blue I live in Texas and have been called a raving liberal. And by self proclaimed socialists as conservative.

I think NYT is all over the place, how you can say that when their editorials are as they are is amusing. WaPo has been labeled as liberal ever since Woodward and Bernstein saw Nixon resign. I know that the Washington Times was created because they thought the Post wasn't conservative enough. I don't really have a sense of their articles nowadays because I don't read either; however, I do think that the Puritanism of the US right causes some delusions about anything that is not them.

If you want an example of a liberal publications I think of the New Yorker, the LA Times, Rolling Stone, or the New Republic.

hater

07-14-2016, 08:53 PM

:lmao calling WashingtonHitlerPost liberal :lmao

They tore Bernie to shreds every single day and idolized Hailary

CosmicCowboy

07-14-2016, 09:13 PM

:lmao calling WashingtonHitlerPost liberal :lmao

They tore Bernie to shreds every single day and idolized Hailary

It's all relative. Bezos hates Trump.

ducks

07-14-2016, 09:22 PM

Trump is going to stumble into the oval office if the rest of the summer is anything like the last month or so.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 09:42 PM

I think NYT is all over the place, how you can say that when their editorials are as they are is amusing. WaPo has been labeled as liberal ever since Woodward and Bernstein saw Nixon resign. I know that the Washington Times was created because they thought the Post wasn't conservative enough. I don't really have a sense of their articles nowadays because I don't read either; however, I do think that the Puritanism of the US right causes some delusions about anything that is not them.

If you want an example of a liberal publications I think of the New Yorker, the LA Times, Rolling Stone, or the New Republic.

Out of those, only the New Republic has enough meat and covers enough stories at the same time. I don't consider the LA Times near the National and International level of the coverage as other large city Newspaper Wapo or Nytimes. And yes I would consider those liberal but would only read the New Republic to keep up, unless I was really interested in one particular story (then rolling stone and New Yorker)

Love the NY times and it's definitely liberal overall. Absolutely.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 09:48 PM

Advertisement is about trying to garner votes. You aren't going to to buy new votes advertising to the liberal base. You target independents.

Your logic still sucks.

http://static.politico.com/e6/85/34b62ce34ee4a9c9a0426adf8244/audience-demographic-stats.jpg

Here is mediamatters claim that the site is biased against the dems:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/26/politico-helps-right-wing-echo-chamber-use-bill/201717

Here is their page detailing all the articles they see ar right leaning: http://mediamatters.org/networks-and-outlets/politico?p=1&s=15

Then of course there is the other side.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/buzzfeed-politico-cant-get-enough-of-that-d/

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/02/under-assault-for-liberal-bias-politicos-traffic-dives/

When both sides are complaining then I see it as a good deal. Think whatever bullshit you like.

Total Bullshit.

To garner votes are you Fckn kidding? Most of the ads were about giving CAMPAIGN MONEY to Bernie or HILLARY. I think people are mostly decided, ESPECIALLY this election.

Are you with Hillary, then give, are you with Bernie, then... You clearly have not paid attention. And yep I think ads and content tend to follow each other. Absolutely I do. And I think your ignorance concerning advertising is revealing.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 10:01 PM

Total Bullshit.

To garner votes are you Fckn kidding? Most of the ads were about giving CAMPAIGN MONEY to Bernie or HILLARY. I think people are mostly decided, ESPECIALLY this election.

Are you with Hillary, then give, are you with Bernie, then... You clearly have not paid attention. And yep I think ads and content tend to follow each other. Absolutely I do. And I think your ignorance concerning advertising is revealing.

First of all you ignored the rest of my post so we can conclude that outside of your head, both sides complain about bias indicating a central lean. You also ignored where all political leanings were represented in the audience to just repeat your same drivel.

As for your most recent stupidity your claiming that an ad attacking Trump isn't about getting votes for Hillary but instead a fundraising attempt? You're an idiot and I'm done with this convo as well. Think whatever you'd like.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 10:33 PM

First of all you ignored the rest of my post so we can conclude that outside of your head, both sides complain about bias indicating a central lean. You also ignored where all political leanings were represented in the audience to just repeat your same drivel.

As for your most recent stupidity your claiming that an ad attacking Trump isn't about getting votes for Hillary but instead a fundraising attempt? You're an idiot and I'm done with this convo as well. Think whatever you'd like.

This was ONE Fckn example TODAY. Just because you laughed at my assessment of "liberal leaning" TODAY.
Fuzzy you purposely try to distort. And you know I am far from stupid.

Many of the other ads were about contributing CAMPAIGN MONEY. Which totally escaped you because you don't read the thing as much as I do. And how can you be sure and how do you know I'm being genuine? Because I am telling you what I saw as ads this entire campaign season. And yes I stand by the opinion that it is a left leaning site.

I hope this will not ruin our close and loving relationship. But if you wish ditch me, what can I do? Be done with me sir.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-14-2016, 10:38 PM

pgardn

07-14-2016, 10:39 PM

:lmao calling WashingtonHitlerPost liberal :lmao

They tore Bernie to shreds every single day and idolized Hailary

From on the guy who believes RT news and wishes he was in Putin's underwear.

No, they tore Trump to shreds EVERY SINGLE DAY.

pgardn

07-14-2016, 10:52 PM

The actual audience, objective claims of bias from 3rd party sources, and actual content reported are inferior to unsubstantiated personal anecdotes about advertisements?

Think what you like but you have no real basis.

Why no ads for Republican candidates?
Why? When you say unsubstantiated you basically are saying you don't believe me. I have looked at that site consistently and I am telling you the truth. As I have said before to a number of other posters I don't lie about these things as I have no reason to. Actual content reported... And this is somehow objective? This is all opinion.

Your OPINION poll and my OPINION show basically the same thing. Left leaning Democrat.

You act as if I am some crazed reactionary.
And comparing me to CC...

And fuzz of of course I am going to think what I like because of what I have observed and read. As I have said before we may start in an entirely different frame of reference which would hardly be surprising in this kind of discussion.

Drop me if you must fuzz, but I think behind that self described ornery disposition, I think you would still take me to the prom.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-15-2016, 05:15 AM

Why no ads for Republican candidates?
Why? When you say unsubstantiated you basically are saying you don't believe me. I have looked at that site consistently and I am telling you the truth. As I have said before to a number of other posters I don't lie about these things as I have no reason to. Actual content reported... And this is somehow objective? This is all opinion.

Your OPINION poll and my OPINION show basically the same thing. Left leaning Democrat.

You act as if I am some crazed reactionary.
And comparing me to CC...

And fuzz of of course I am going to think what I like because of what I have observed and read. As I have said before we may start in an entirely different frame of reference which would hardly be surprising in this kind of discussion.

Drop me if you must fuzz, but I think behind that self described ornery disposition, I think you would still take me to the prom.

Your personal anecdotes does not encompass all the ads they display. How about an independent source that corroborates your claim. Just one.

I never posted an opinion poll. I chowed the party affiliations of the site as well as both liberal and conservatives who claimed it was biased. Both sides complained meaning that both sides were represented.

And you still cannot address the actual production of the site. Youre just being pigheaded.

pgardn

07-15-2016, 06:34 PM

Your personal anecdotes does not encompass all the ads they display. How about an independent source that corroborates your claim. Just one.

I never posted an opinion poll. I chowed the party affiliations of the site as well as both liberal and conservatives who claimed it was biased. Both sides complained meaning that both sides were represented.

And you still cannot address the actual production of the site. Youre just being pigheaded.

It's hardly some radically bizarre opinion and you basically know this.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-15-2016, 07:27 PM

It's hardly some radically bizarre opinion and you basically know this.

Still nothing to corroborate your opinion. One source supporting your assertion about ads. I've already demonstrated how the audience is diverse with no affiliation over 35%.

pgardn

07-15-2016, 08:13 PM

Still nothing to corroborate your opinion. One source supporting your assertion about ads. I've already demonstrated how the audience is diverse with no affiliation over 35%.

Heck yes it's diverse.

Because it's a good read.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-15-2016, 10:06 PM

Heck yes it's diverse.

Because it's a good read.

so conservatives, democrats, and independents read it fairly equally. It's been criticised by partisans of both sides of being biased. You cannot come up with any shred of biased reporting evidence. But its liberal because of the ads you see anecdotally?

That is asinine.

pgardn

07-15-2016, 10:34 PM

so conservatives, democrats, and independents read it fairly equally. It's been criticised by partisans of both sides of being biased. You cannot come up with any shred of biased reporting evidence. But its liberal because of the ads you see anecdotally?

That is asinine.

No.
Wrong.
Imo it is left leaning, as is the NY times (you claim is all over the place) Both of these sites have editorials that go both ways. But in general, the articles are left leaning. I am not going to go through every single article and rate it, tabulate as to how far right or left and then give you a frkn number. I could right now, just like I did with the ad on the front page, take an article and dissect it and say here ya go, why not state it this way. I could also do the same for an article I think is more conservative from that same Politico edition. In general, I would find a left lean. That's my opinion.

You think this is some sort of science? Like we take these articles and study them and label them with some rock hard number? Don't be silly. This is not a GD science. Hell, it's not even close to as good as the study of economics. It's a GD OPINION silly boy. And hell yes the advertising tells me something about my OPINION. So yes most certainly imo, left leaning. I looked up nothing about ratings of this magazine from other sites or people. Nothing. I leave it to you to do that and use your scale.

But realize there is no accurate Fuzz-Lump Simpson Scale of political leanings. Get off it.

And yes, I still love you.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-15-2016, 10:57 PM

No.
Wrong.
Imo it is left leaning, as is the NY times (you claim is all over the place) Both of these sites have editorials that go both ways. But in general, the articles are left leaning. I am not going to go through every single article and rate it, tabulate as to how far right or left and then give you a frkn number. I could right now, just like I did with the ad on the front page, take an article and dissect it and say here ya go, why not state it this way. I could also do the same for an article I think is more conservative from that same Politico edition. In general, I would find a left lean. That's my opinion.

You think this is some sort of science? Like we take these articles and study them and label them with some rock hard number? Don't be silly. This is not a GD science. Hell, it's not even close to as good as the study of economics. It's a GD OPINION silly boy. And hell yes the advertising tells me something about my OPINION. So yes most certainly imo, left leaning. I looked up nothing about ratings of this magazine from other sites or people. Nothing. I leave it to you to do that and use your scale.

But realize there is no accurate Fuzz-Lump Simpson Scale of political leanings. Get off it.

And yes, I still love you.

Not all opinions are created equal. Your welcome to think what you like but you are all alone out there.

Who said anything about science? How about logic, rationalism, or an informed opinion? You think what you see is all there is. No one else sees it.

:lol ads determine political leaning.

pgardn

07-15-2016, 11:02 PM

Not all opinions are created equal. Your welcome to think what you like but you are all alone out there.

Who said anything about science? How about logic, rationalism, or an informed opinion? You think what you see is all there is. No one else sees it.

:lol ads determine political leaning.

Then you are clearly NOT using logic nor listening to a rational opinion.

Advertising definitely apart of assessing and you are completely silly if you don't think so.
You think the NRA would do advertising on FOX or MSNBC?

FuzzyLumpkins

07-15-2016, 11:39 PM

Then you are clearly NOT using logic nor listening to a rational opinion.

Advertising definitely apart of assessing and you are completely silly if you don't think so.
You think the NRA would do advertising on FOX or MSNBC?

Begging the question is not an argument. We've already determined the audience demographics, remember?

http://static.politico.com/e6/85/34b62ce34ee4a9c9a0426adf8244/audience-demographic-stats.jpg

Politico has a Liberty Mutual and Home Depot ad up now. Must mean they support the insurance and homebuilder industries. . . . .

:lol

FuzzyLumpkins

07-15-2016, 11:45 PM

Bud Light and AT&T

They are alcoholic phonehounds now.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-15-2016, 11:49 PM

http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/09/9-27-12-44.png

Compare and contrast with Fox News which has 6 times as many GOP viewers to dem.

It's very similar to your 'neutral' USA Today.

Wild Cobra

07-16-2016, 12:07 AM

http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/09/9-27-12-44.png

Compare and contrast with Fox News which has 6 times as many GOP viewers to dem.

It's very similar to your 'neutral' USA Today.
People of the left or right often think they are closer to center than they really are. Such pols are skewed by personal bias. This seems obvious to me when MSNBC, clearly leftist, is close to balanced on how people claim their conservative vs. liberal views.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-16-2016, 12:18 AM

rmt

07-16-2016, 01:23 AM

A 58:16 Dem to GOP ratio isn't even, dumbass.

He probably means that of those 58% Dem only 36% identify as liberal. 22% of the Dem consider themselves moderate.

boutons_deux

07-16-2016, 01:06 PM

People of the left or right often think they are closer to center than they really are. Such pols are skewed by personal bias. This seems obvious to me when MSNBC, clearly leftist, is close to balanced on how people claim their conservative vs. liberal views.

Both parties, "study has shown", almost totally ignore voter preferences while implementing donor preference, so it doesn't fucking matter if voters consider themselves left, right or center. It doesn't fucking matter

the test is:

"What GOOD have the Repugs done for ALL of America in the past 40 years"

"What BAD have the Repugs done for ALL of America in the past 40 years"

short answer: FUCK THE REPUGS.

spurraider21

07-16-2016, 01:06 PM

A 58:16 Dem to GOP ratio isn't even, dumbass.
pretty clear he was referring to the right column, considering he said conservative/liberal not republican/democrat.... which has it at 32/26

boutons_deux

07-16-2016, 01:24 PM

Trash (in fact ALL Repugs already) had a problem with women voters. Pence could make it even worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-had-a-problem-with-women-voters-pence-could-make-it-even-worse/2016/07/15/6ee5dcc8-4a01-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

TheSanityAnnex

07-16-2016, 02:29 PM

A 58:16 Dem to GOP ratio isn't even, dumbass.
posts chart, can't read chart :lol who's the dumbass

pgardn

07-16-2016, 06:18 PM

http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/09/9-27-12-44.png

Compare and contrast with Fox News which has 6 times as many GOP viewers to dem.

It's very similar to your 'neutral' USA Today.

Left LEANING was my description ya fella. And it's pretty much money now. Bingo.
Same with the NY Times. You basically have made my argument.

So now you attempt to use my left leaning description and juxtapose that with Fox?
You are so incredibly disingenuous. So left leaning means Marxist revolutionary.

Cmon fuzz. Get off it.
Dont pull this crap and let's just go dancing.

pgardn

07-16-2016, 06:21 PM

Bud Light and AT&T

They are alcoholic phonehounds now.

You are are such a contortionist.
Seriously, you are using this is an argument for political adds asking for donations? Really?

Hey, I saw a food commercial on FOX... wtf...

FuzzyLumpkins

07-16-2016, 08:36 PM

You are are such a contortionist.
Seriously, you are using this is an argument for political adds asking for donations? Really?

Hey, I saw a food commercial on FOX... wtf...

If the ads supporting contributions means the site supports the one asking for donations then why does it not also follow that ads asking for donations to beer and phone companies mean they are beer and phone leaning just the same?

Nevermind that the site uses ad choice which shows ads based on what your personal browsing history is.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-16-2016, 08:39 PM

Left LEANING was my description ya fella. And it's pretty much money now. Bingo.
Same with the NY Times. You basically have made my argument.

So now you attempt to use my left leaning description and juxtapose that with Fox?
You are so incredibly disingenuous. So left leaning means Marxist revolutionary.

Cmon fuzz. Get off it.
Dont pull this crap and let's just go dancing.

And yet the demographics of the audience are just the same as your 'neutral' USA Today. Your logic lacks consistency.

pgardn

07-16-2016, 09:12 PM

If the ads supporting contributions means the site supports the one asking for donations then why does it not also follow that ads asking for donations to beer and phone companies mean they are beer and phone leaning just the same?

Nevermind that the site uses ad choice which shows ads based on what your personal browsing history is.

All sites use some of these.
But not all the ads are picked by a firm.

We are not discussing food and beverages fuzz, we are talking politics, are you joking?

And if your assertion means they have pegged me, it means I'm a radical liberal calling a your middle road news site liberal leaning (which by the way is hardly something for you to laugh at like its something extreme and we have a huge difference of opinion.)

And this hardly fits your implied narrative concerning my opinion eh? Like I'm some reactionary conservative calling a site left leaning

Christ almighty fuzz, just love me already.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-16-2016, 09:33 PM

All sites use some of these.
But not all the ads are picked by a firm.

We are not discussing food and beverages fuzz, we are talking politics, are you joking?

And if your assertion means they have pegged me, it means I'm a radical liberal calling a your middle road news site liberal leaning (which by the way is hardly something for you to laugh at like its something extreme and we have a huge difference of opinion.)

And this hardly fits your implied narrative concerning my opinion eh? Like I'm some reactionary conservative calling a site left leaning

Christ almighty fuzz, just love me already.

Still no proof on actual content.
Still no proof that they bias who they take their advertising dollars from.
Still no proof that anyone other than yourself and breitbart thinks this.
Still no response to what ad choice does with their advertisement.
Still no response to their sharing the same audience as your 'unbiased' site.

Instead we get these strawmen about me making claims to your leanings. It's irrelevant beyond that ad choice tailors what you see based on your browsing history which is an independent truth.

And fuck your Constantinian God.

pgardn

07-16-2016, 09:43 PM

Still no proof on actual content.
Still no proof that they bias who they take their advertising dollars from.
Still no proof that anyone other than yourself and breitbart thinks this.
Still no response to what ad choice does with their advertisement.
Still no response to their sharing the same audience as your 'unbiased' site.

Instead we get these strawmen about me making claims to your leanings. It's irrelevant beyond that ad choice tailors what you see based on your browsing history which is an independent truth.

And fuck your Constantinian God.

So the ads you see on the site are food and beverages. This brought your attention to my notion of CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION ADDS for Sanders, Hillary and other democrats, and none for Republicans and saying the site was left leaning.

So what political ads come up when you visit the site fuzz? None? Tell me about the political ads YOU see if you think I am just making shit up. Which you obviously do as you concentrated on food,phones, and beverages.

And then kiss me you fool...

FuzzyLumpkins

07-16-2016, 10:07 PM

So the ads you see on the site are food and beverages. This brought your attention to my notion of CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION ADDS for Sanders, Hillary and other democrats, and none for Republicans and saying the site was left leaning.

So what political ads come up when you visit the site fuzz? None? Tell me about the political ads YOU see if you think I am just making shit up. Which you obviously do as you concentrated on food,phones, and beverages.

And then kiss me you fool...

Still no proof on actual content.
Still no proof that they bias who they take their advertising dollars from.
Still no proof that anyone other than yourself and breitbart thinks this.
Still no response to what ad choice does with their advertisement.
Still no response to their sharing the same audience as your 'unbiased' site.

Instead we get these strawmen about me making claims to your leanings. It's irrelevant beyond that ad choice tailors what you see based on your browsing history which is an independent truth.

And fuck your Constantinian God.

I don't get political ads. Bolded for relevance.

ducks

07-16-2016, 10:55 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-15/hillary-clinton-confronts-her-growing-trust-problem-with-scant-results?cmpid=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

pgardn

07-16-2016, 11:07 PM

I don't get political ads. Bolded for relevance.

Well I know you don't.
You did not have to tell me that.

So here is how it goes down.

I read politico, I say to myself after reading it, especially this year, "a bit left leaning I would say." ( little did I know that I needed to do an in depth objective statistical analysis, possibly because one CANNOT be done) Then I see ads for The Burn, Hillary, and some other minor deomocratic ads, some even asking for contributions and some even attacking Republicans. Don't see any Ads asking for or backing ANY Republican or Republican issue (gun rights etc...) Lots o democrat stuff, no Republican stuff. I say to myself, not odd given what I have read and hey, this is pretty good stuff for politics per usual.

Then I post a little excerpt from an aricle saying Ruthie is not the first justice to get out of line in making known her distaste for a presidential candidate in rebuttal to the uproar. It says Sandra Day Oconnor pulled some possibly out of line stuff, but not before a major audience. I add the site is a bit left leaning imo. I did not hound politico for diversion or even making the possibly unfair comparison, I just thought it was damn interesting action by Oconnor that I never knew.

Little did I know the fuzz would be on me, dancing with me on ST like so many other minor dancing quibbles in which the argumentative posters are asked to get a room.

So there you have it.

FuzzyLumpkins

07-16-2016, 11:46 PM

pgardn

07-17-2016, 06:21 PM

I dont think it leans left at all...seems pretty straight down the middle to me.

Yes. True. I did not use the "lean" first.

Blue used the term first. And I continued with it.

But it's not like I had raged about it being so slanted it could not be believed. In fact I said I liked it. You immediately juxtaposed it with FOX to twist it which I rejected way back.

So don't play mr. goodbar and reject your obvious attempts to contort.
Does this mean you will not take my hand at the dance fuzz? Just because I am familiar with you?