The price for Okafor has dropped

[Trueblood]

http://en.yibada.com/articles/144019/20160722/nba-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-san-antonio-spurs-old-school.htm

I think it'd be a great pick up. Went too high in the draft and now could be on the block for cheap. Potential high ceiling value if he's in the right system with the right coaches.

[mookie2001]

This Malcolm Hyde guy is the Adrian Wojorjowski of Yibada.com

[Mnky]

Mills and Anderson for okafor? Yea I'd take that. But would the sixers? If they're trying to help the spurs I suppose.

[Trueblood]

This Malcolm Hyde guy is the Adrian Wojorjowski of Yibada.com

I don't doubt that at all, and i never believe who the spurs are "reportedly" going after, but if he's right on his price dropping the FO should pull the trigger.

[Mr. Body]

I doubt this. Teams like the Nets and Bulls would definitely go for a player like him. Pipe dream.

[td4mvp2k]

colangelo aint giftin the spurs tbh

[toki9]

colangelo aint giftin the spurs tbh

Or maybe he will, now that Pop and his dad have (supposedly) patched things up?

[toki9]

Looks like Mills for Okafor straight up works under ESPN Trade Machine...but why would the Sixers do that?

[TrainOfThought5]

Mills and Anderson for okafor? Yea I'd take that. But would the sixers? If they're trying to help the spurs I suppose.

Trade them Manu and Mills, or Parker and Anderson whatever it takes.

[Raven]

i really see it as a huge opportunity, throw ljc, bertans and three first rounders to get him

[dbestpro]

It is safe to say this year that the team the Spurs start the season with will not be the team they finish the season with.

[Austin_Toros]

The only Okafor that the Spurs have a chance to get is Emeka.

[TrainOfThought5]

i really see it as a huge opportunity, throw ljc, bertans and three first rounders to get him

We're great at drafting and we not favorites to ring anymore. Cant keep throwing draft picks away.

Ginobili, Mills, and 1st.

[Raven]

We're great at drafting and we not favorites to ring anymore. Cant keep throwing draft picks away.

Ginobili, Mills, and 1st.

with kawhi, green and aldridge, we aren't sniffing the lottery anytime soon. plus they would have to be non consecutive

[Mr. Body]

You guys are being idiots. Okafor is worth way more than Mills.

[TrainOfThought5]

You guys are being idiots. Okafor is worth way more than Mills.

Thats why we have to throw in Ginobili (who we KNOW they want or offer Parker/Anderson too.)

[Ocotillo]

The website that is linked to is a pain the ass with all the ads and crap opening and closing. I quit reading because it was frustrating. They got their click.

[kxs783kms]

So the Spurs paid way over what many thought just to resign Manu and you guys think we're about to turn around and trade him to any team? Lol. Don't know when guys will finally understand that Parker and Manu will never be traded, period. You guys must have forgotten how loyal we are to all of our key guys. If we can't stop resigning Bonner, what makes you guys think we're ever going to trade either one of these guys?

[spurs10]

Thats why we have to throw in Ginobili (who we KNOW they want or offer Parker/Anderson too.) This would be good for making it easier to walk around the AT&T Center and for ordering beer. :lol

[poeticism707]

The only Okafor that the Spurs have a chance to get is Emeka.

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[CGD]

They probably want to see if embiid can go first.

[dbestpro]

Green could go for Okafor. 76ers have cap room to absorb contract difference, and need a SG ergo the reason going after Manu. any cash left over by moving Green's contract would then be used to find another SG. Could make sense both ways.

[Joseph Kony]

jesus fuck some of you are retarded

[Keepin' it real]

The only Okafor that the Spurs have a chance to get is Emeka.

He's pretty good defensively, the last time I saw him.

[Trueblood]

jesus fuck some of you are retarded

Intelligent take lol

[Canyonero]

jesus fuck some of you are retarded

And what uganda do about it?

[Cklbmk]

I doubt this. Teams like the Nets and Bulls would definitely go for a player like him. Pipe dream.


Nets cant outbid anyone

[Chinook]

Did Okafor do something? I just skimmed the article, but I don't think the price has dropped. And Green for Okafor is ridiculous from both sides.

[Russ]

Okafor on the Spurs would mean rings. His style of play is the closest to Tim Duncan's in years.

[SAGirl]

Did Okafor do something? I just skimmed the article, but I don't think the price has dropped. And Green for Okafor is ridiculous from both sides.
Seems like speculation from the writer. Nothing from a source, he's quoting Sports Illustrated where a guy is just throwing shit to the wall of places Okafor could land and where he would like to see him end up. http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/21/five-nba-trade-scenarios

[Trueblood]

Did Okafor do something? I just skimmed the article, but I don't think the price has dropped. And Green for Okafor is ridiculous from both sides.

They have a logjam at the position. Both him and Noel competing. One of them won't develop with the other taking minutes. They'd be smart to trade one away for something they need. But they're asking price last time was a little steep. Looks like they want to move one so why not ask? Can't be told no unless you ask

[Leetonidas]

Intelligent take lol

better than “hurr durr let's trade manu and mills and picks for a player on a rookie contract hurr durr!” :lol

[kaji157]

http://en.yibada.com/articles/144019/20160722/nba-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-san-antonio-spurs-old-school.htm

I think it'd be a great pick up. Went too high in the draft and now could be on the block for cheap. Potential high ceiling value if he's in the right system with the right coaches.

That´s one of the thins that you always say: "Woild be great to see if he can develop with us", but we never get the chance to see it.

[kaji157]

Green could go for Okafor. 76ers have cap room to absorb contract difference, and need a SG ergo the reason going after Manu. any cash left over by moving Green's contract would then be used to find another SG. Could make sense both ways.

The most sense for us would be Mills+Simmons+2017 first rounder. That is the best and the most realistic offer that we can make.
Not great, just real.

[Phenomanul]

Any trades at this point will drastically deplete our bench.

[SAGirl]

"I think right now it's best to say we like all of them, we want to see if we can make the most out of each of them in terms to their contributions to this team," Colangelo told SiriusXM NBA Radio (https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmnba/bryan-colangelo-on-76ers-big-men-probably-one-has-to-go-at-some-point). "But at the end of the day, the reality says one has to go at some point, but only when the deal is right."

Last season, it became clear that Okafor and Noel couldn't play together because neither can move down to power forward. Both struggle defending smaller players and neither can score outside the paint with any regularity.
Even if one of them were able to slide down, it wouldn't matter. Next season, that position is going to be filled by Simmons and the 12th pick of the 2014 draft, Dario Saric (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246136/dario-saric). Meanwhile, Embiid will take as many minutes as he can handle at center. There's just not enough playing time for everyone, and benching lottery picks is not a good way to maximize assets.
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/21/12248514/philadelphia-76ers-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-nerlens-noel-bryan-colangelo

[Mr. Body]

Did Okafor do something? I just skimmed the article, but I don't think the price has dropped. And Green for Okafor is ridiculous from both sides.

It's a bullshit article. Many teams could use him and would be able to bid much more than Patty Mills.

[spursistan]

From Duncan 2.0 hype to getting shopped hard in space of 12 months :lol

[Trueblood]

better than “hurr durr let's trade manu and mills and picks for a player on a rookie contract hurr durr!” :lol

Cause that's what i said. Lol.

[cd021]

with kawhi, green and aldridge, we aren't sniffing the lottery anytime soon. plus they would have to be non consecutive

I thought you were joking, three 1sts for a guy who's ceiling is Brooke Lopez? Mills and a 1st would be about fair price

[Raven]

I thought you were joking, three 1sts for a guy who's ceiling is Brooke Lopez? Mills and a 1st would be about fair price

sure.

[Leetonidas]

Cause that's what i said. Lol.

I didnt say you did. you Christians and your perceived slights:lol

[wildbill2u]

Thats why we have to throw in Ginobili (who we KNOW they want or offer Parker/Anderson too.)

Whoa! Spurs aren't known for sticking a knife in the back of a loyal player who took less money to stay with the Spurs. While Philly would get a much better deal than the offer they made to Manu, it would really be a chickenshit way for the Spurs to act.

[T Park]

Looks like Mills for Okafor straight up works under ESPN Trade Machine...but why would the Sixers do that?

They need good point guards BADLY. They need scoring from the guard position, BADLy. They offered a 38 year old Manu 18 million for 2 years fully guaranteed theyre so desperate

[Ocotillo]

Some of the noise around Patty going to Philly is Brett Brown is a big Patty Mills fan from this days coaching the Aussies. I don't know if it would have part in us getting Okafor as I would imagine they could get better value but Patty going to Philly in some deal would not be suprising.

[cd021]

I was suggesting Mills to Philly because they don't have shooting or a good PG during the lead up to the draft. I liked Luwawu but a Luwawu for Mills doesn't make sense sense the Spurs need a good backup and Murray isn't ready.

Mills and a 1st or Mills and Simmons + 1st for Okafor would be a deal worth considering. He can't defend or shoot outside of the paint and is a bad rebounder, and a 68% FT shooter but has potential to be a stellar low post player and is only 20. Heard comparisons to Al Jefferson and Brook Lopez.

[Trueblood]

I didnt say you did. you Christians and your perceived slights:lol

You used my post to describe people talking about trading Manu. Don't know how that could be miss perceived. But hey, no hard feelings man. I'll pray for you.

[SpursFan86]

I'm not a big fan of Okafor, but I'm going to need the # of your dealer if you think the 76ers are trading Okafor for Mills + Simmons + 1st rounder :lol

[Tully365]

I think Okafor's issues are more about attitude and mentality than they are anything else... but he did put up 17 & 7 in an NBA season he started at age 19. That's pretty impressive. If the Spurs vetted him and thought he was capable of maturing (unlike, say, DeMarcus Cousins), I'd absolutely be in favor of trying to grab him... He won't be as good as Karl-Anthony Towns, but at worst he could be a better version of Kanter or B. Lopez on a very inexpensive rookie scale contract.

[diceman]

First proposed trade. Kyle and Patty for Okafur. http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/07/21/five-nba-trade-scenarios

[TrainOfThought5]

I think Okafor's issues are more about attitude and mentality than they are anything else... but he did put up 17 & 7 in an NBA season he started at age 19. That's pretty impressive. If the Spurs vetted him and thought he was capable of maturing (unlike, say, DeMarcus Cousins), I'd absolutely be in favor of trying to grab him... He won't be as good as Karl-Anthony Towns, but at worst he could be a better version of Kanter or B. Lopez on a very inexpensive rookie scale contract.

He put up 17 and 7 at 19 on the worst team in the league hes gotta project to be a better player than brook fuckin lopez

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Based on what I've seen from the Spurs in the last 15 years I don't believe Manu or Parker would ever be traded.

[DeRozan m8]

I'll trade Kyle to the 6ers for nothing

[Leetonidas]

You used my post to describe people talking about trading Manu. Don't know how that could be miss perceived. But hey, no hard feelings man. I'll pray for you.

I was replying to you about the general topic were posting in? you said “intelligent take” to which i was pointing out that it wasn't much worse than the others in thread, not surprised that went over a xtians head lol. have fun talking to your imaginary sky daddy

[Chinook]

True to what I've said, I wouldn't do this deal. Would've done it during the draft, though.

[illusioNtEk]

we should go for it all in!!!!!!!

[monkeypunk]

Okafurs contract is so small that many teams will throw out offers better than Mills and picks once the asking price drops enough.

No way the spurs land him for that and no way SAS offers Danny for him after the sweetheart deal he gave us.

[TrainOfThought5]

We gotta make his acquisition a priority. Getting a talented young big man for Kawhi and Murray to team up with? Leverage the present season or two if we must. Trade parker, Anderson, and a couple firsts

[TrainOfThought5]

True to what I've said, I wouldn't do this deal. Would've done it during the draft, though.

Why?

[99 Problems]

Don't under estimate MVPatty's value. In 2 weeks at the Olympics he'll average 30, lead KD and Melo in scoring again and he's back under the nose of GMs and RC's phone starts ringing again.

[TrainOfThought5]

Don't under estimate MVPatty's value. In 2 weeks at the Olympics he'll average 30, lead KD and Melo in scoring again and he's back under the nose of GMs and RC's phone starts ringing again.

He'd have to turn into Iverson-lite to get 1 for 1 consideration for Okafor.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The only Okafor that the Spurs have a chance to get is Emeka.
Another #2 pick and bust.....

[99 Problems]

He'd have to turn into Iverson-lite to get 1 for 1 consideration for Okafor.

Yer for sure. I agree, but it will help perceived value in package trade scenario.

[TrainOfThought5]

Yer for sure. I agree, but it will help perceived value in package trade scenario.

If he turned into iverson-lite, he'd have more value for us, than them.

[Chillen]

This is a better option than Monroe, Spurs need to make this happen! 76ers keep losing and just want to fill seats at this point.

[tbdog]

It is worth it because he has the highest ceiling than all our young players (Anderson/Bertans/Murray) and most likely higher ceiling than anyone we draft in the 20's of the next few years, and is on a cheap contract for 3 more years.

[Chinook]

Why?

Spurs don't need a glass-cannon center. They will need Anderson's offense. Had the Spurs done this instead of Pau then used the cap space on a guard, that would be one thing. But the team really can't afford it now.

[TrainOfThought5]

It is worth it because he has the highest ceiling than all our young players (Anderson/Bertans/Murray) and most likely higher ceiling than anyone we draft in the 20's of the next few years, and is on a cheap contract for 3 more years.

Too many reasons to make this work. I hope PATFO isnt foolishly holding on to Parker or Green or Anderson, or any other wing we can replace with Murray.

[TrainOfThought5]

Spurs don't need a glass-cannon center. They will need Anderson's offense. Had the Spurs done this instead of Pau then used the cap space on a guard, that would be one thing. But the team really can't afford it now.

I admit i have buyers remorse on Pau, but this a move for the future. And DAMN Andersons offense. Realistically, We wont be winning a chip this year anyway. Gotta surround Kawhi and Murray with as much young, high potential talent as possible for the future dynasty.

And i LIKE anderson almost as much as SAGirl. Im sure she'd agree that Parker and Anderson +1 for Okafor is a GREAT trade for kawhi.

Then we just Sign Ty Lawson for the min, play this year out, develop Murray and Bertans and the other young guys and shoot for the chip next year after Durant opts out and Lebron is a year weaker. Maybe with Green/Kawhi/LMA/OK4 Westbrook takes a long hard look at getting revenge with us next season.

[Russo21]

http://i.imgur.com/qhwED21.mp4

[SeanElliot'sLeftNut]

the Spurs shitty offers of Anderson, mills, or both aren't close to enough. Especially with someone like Boston who can offer real value for him. I wish philly was that stupid though, but this isn't 2k unfortunately.

[james evans]

We're great at drafting and we not favorites to ring anymore. Cant keep throwing draft picks away.

Ginobili, Mills, and 1st.
throwing draft picks away>? Have you actaully watched an nba draft the past 10 years? it's not like the NFL in which you can get a great pick in the 4th or 5th round. past the 10th pick in the past few drafts, there hasn't been much to get.

[Chinook]

Realistically, We wont be winning a chip this year anyway.

If you believe this, you may as well pack up for and go on vacation for a few years. GS will only get stronger with time.


Gotta surround Kawhi and Murray with as much young, high potential talent as possible for the future dynasty.

Kawhi and Murray don't belong in the same sentence. Anyway, no, when you have two 30-plus-year-old bigs, you aren't trying to build for the future.


Im sure she'd agree that Parker and Anderson +1 for Okafor is a GREAT trade for kawhi.

Wait, PARKER and Anderson plus the first? That's even worse. No. Fuck no. And I don't even like Parker.


Then we just Sign Ty Lawson for the min

Ew. Why not just start Murray if you're throwing the season away?


shoot for the chip next year after Durant opts out and Lebron is a year weaker.

Durant is opting out and going right back to Golden State. And shame on you for thinking Lebron is an issue with Kawhi on the team. Obviously, it's he's an awesome player, but the Spurs as currently constructed are more than capable of beating the Cavs. I don't see why they wouldn't be favorites over Cleveland.



Maybe with Green/Kawhi/LMA/OK4 Westbrook takes a long hard look at getting revenge with us next season.

I'm not throwing away a chance this year for a chance next year. This is the year to get past GS. If they win, they gel, and Durant calms down to play to his potential. And there's a reason why Okafor would be available for a "you gotta take it" deal. He's not on a star track. I doubt he'd start over Pau, and if he did, I'd be more than concerned about the defense.

[Chinook]

the Spurs shitty offers of Anderson, mills, or both aren't close to enough. Especially with someone like Boston who can offer real value for him. I wish philly was that stupid though, but this isn't 2k unfortunately.

I agree. People can keep acting like Okafor's value is dropping all they want, but it's not. He's their best center prospect, so it's the value of the guys below him that is the issue. Like what are people offering for Noel? And will someone like Richaun Holmes be cut/traded so the team can put off dealing with their top guys for another year? I don't think Boston is ready to offer real value yet, but they will be if the Sixers get close to dealing for the packages described here.

[Raven]

I agree. People can keep acting like Okafor's value is dropping all they want, but it's not. He's their best center prospect, so it's the value of the guys below him that is the issue. Like what are people offering for Noel? And will someone like Richaun Holmes be cut/traded so the team can put off dealing with their top guys for another year? I don't think Boston is ready to offer real value yet, but they will be if the Sixers get close to dealing for the packages described here.

people also act like Noel has a high ceiling, he would have had it if there was ever a chance of him being able to play pf which there isn't. As a center, he's pretty much byombo 2.0

[cd021]

throwing draft picks away>? Have you actaully watched an nba draft the past 10 years? it's not like the NFL in which you can get a great pick in the 4th or 5th round. past the 10th pick in the past few drafts, there hasn't been much to get.
Not really. Teams have found gems outside of the top 10 picks in the draft.

Kawhi-15th
Gobert 28th
Butler-30th
Ibaka-24th
Batum-25th
George Hill-26th
Dragic-42nd Pick
Teague-19th

Second Rounders
Korver
Parsons
Milsap
Thomas
Middleton
Dray.Green
D. Jordan
M. Gasol

[SAGirl]

I admit i have buyers remorse on Pau, but this a move for the future. And DAMN Andersons offense. Realistically, We wont be winning a chip this year anyway. Gotta surround Kawhi and Murray with as much young, high potential talent as possible for the future dynasty.

And i LIKE anderson almost as much as SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524). Im sure she'd agree that Parker and Anderson +1 for Okafor is a GREAT trade for kawhi.

Then we just Sign Ty Lawson for the min, play this year out, develop Murray and Bertans and the other young guys and shoot for the chip next year after Durant opts out and Lebron is a year weaker. Maybe with Green/Kawhi/LMA/OK4 Westbrook takes a long hard look at getting revenge with us next season.
I've stayed out of this one so as to not appear blind, but the truth is that I don't know Okafor enough to yap about him. I do know he's difficult to build around bc offensive centers who don't protect the rim are a bad idea. Perhaps bc of that, I am not eager to trade anyone that we have for him. I know he's young and bound to get better, but we might as well have kept Boban who schooled him pretty much.

[SAGirl]

the Spurs shitty offers of Anderson, mills, or both aren't close to enough. Especially with someone like Boston who can offer real value for him. I wish philly was that stupid though, but this isn't 2k unfortunately. Boston is trying to fleece 76ers on account of Okafors violent incidents in Boston. They also are probably making offers on Westbrook. Until that chip falls they won't be serious about Okafor IMO. Them picking up Al Horford also lessens their desperation for a big.

[bklynspursfan]

I've stayed out of this one so as to not appear blind, but the truth is that I don't know Okafor enough to yap about him. I do know he's difficult to build around bc offensive centers who don't protect the rim are a bad idea. Perhaps bc of that, I am not eager to trade anyone that we have for him. I know he's young and bound to get better, but we might as well have kept Boban who schooled him pretty much.

He and Boban are very different. Even in terms of just like mobility. Okafor has much more upside

[Chinook]

I'll tell you this, though. I'd do something around Simmons for Jeremi Grant easy.

[spurs10]

If you believe this, you may as well pack up for and go on vacation for a few years.

Kawhi and Murray don't belong in the same sentence. Anyway, no, when you have two 30-plus-year-old bigs, you aren't trying to build for the future.

Wait, PARKER and Anderson plus the first? That's even worse. No. Fuck no. And I don't even like Parker.

I'm not throwing away a chance this year for a chance next year. This is the year to get past GS. If they win, they gel, and Durant calms down to play to his potential. And there's a reason why Okafor would be available for a "you gotta take it" deal. He's not on a star track. I doubt he'd start over Pau, and if he did, I'd be more than concerned about the defense. Good post.

[21209]

I think the Sixers are shopping Noel more than they are Okafor. His upside offensively is miles apart from Okafor or Embiid, though he has some use as an interior defender.

[Canyonero]

How's his meniscus doing?

[SAGirl]

Noel might not be a star but defensive big men, specially as roleplayers always have a place in the league and with LMA already in the team, I think he could be fit in better than Okafor. Okafor is a tough cookie. In a few years someone might bump this thread to laugh in my face but I stated ahead of time I am not pretending to know much about him. The 76ers were so bad that it's hard to blame one guy but Noel was their best defensive player and the only guy on there without a net negative. One certainly can't build a team around a blue collar guy like Noel, but he can be an important roleplayer in a championship team, rather than the offensive center who is going to demand touches in the paint, then not be impactful at the other end. :td

[mookie2001]

Reading page 3 of this thread has absolutely blown my mind. Wow

[Raven]

I've stayed out of this one so as to not appear blind, but the truth is that I don't know Okafor enough to yap about him. I do know he's difficult to build around bc offensive centers who don't protect the rim are a bad idea. Perhaps bc of that, I am not eager to trade anyone that we have for him. I know he's young and bound to get better, but we might as well have kept Boban who schooled him pretty much.

who told you he doesn't protect the rim?

[SAGirl]

who told you he doesn't protect the rim?
The stats. I don't watch him as I have said, but he's been a net negative on defense. Noel is a +3.4 defensively, Okafor a -1.5. Ironically, Okafor is a net negative offensively too and in BPM much worse than Noel. Whatever he was doing there wasn't good.

[Raven]

The stats. I don't watch him as I have said, but he's been a net negative on defense. Noel is a +3.4 defensively, Okafor a -1.5. Ironically, Okafor is a net negative offensively too and in BPM much worse than Noel. Whatever he was doing there wasn't good.

so, nothing.

[sasaint]

so, nothing.

I can't tell from your comments. Are you just being a devil's advocate? Or have you seen Okafor play some and come to a different conclusion about his defensive skill?

[Raven]

I can't tell from your comments. Are you just being a devil's advocate? Or have you seen Okafor play some and come to a different conclusion about his defensive skill?
the latter. He's terrible defending the pick and roll, but that shouldn't be what is asked of him in any case. Also, they keep on trying to play high pace bball with him which is retarded. If challenged straight up, he has good mechanics and the shot blocking numbers reflect that.

[sasaint]

the latter. He's terrible defending the pick and roll, but that shouldn't be what is asked of him in any case. Also, they keep on trying to play high pace bball with him which is retarded. If challenged straight up, he has good mechanics and the shot blocking numbers reflect that.

As a 5, Okafor will have to defend the PnR at times. Teams that employ the PnR as a staple of their offense will run a heavy dose of it against a team that isn't capable of defending it. But it does seem like Okafor (with 2 good legs) would be no worse than Tim was last year. The Spurs seemed to do all right.

[james evans]

Not really. Teams have found gems outside of the top 10 picks in the draft.

Kawhi-15th
Gobert 28th
Butler-30th
Ibaka-24th
Batum-25th
George Hill-26th
Dragic-42nd Pick
Teague-19th

Second Rounders
Korver
Parsons
Milsap
Thomas
Middleton
Dray.Green
D. Jordan
M. Gasol
you got a point.

[Raven]

Not really. Teams have found gems outside of the top 10 picks in the draft.

Kawhi-15th
Gobert 28th
Butler-30th
Ibaka-24th
Batum-25th
George Hill-26th
Dragic-42nd Pick
Teague-19th

Second Rounders
Korver
Parsons
Milsap
Thomas
Middleton
Dray.Green
D. Jordan
M. Gasol

meh.

[Spurtacular]

i really see it as a huge opportunity, throw ljc, bertans and three first rounders to get him

So, you'd give all that up for the next Carlos Boozer?

[Raven]

So, you'd give all that up for the next Carlos Boozer?

yep.. then we'd be set for years

[Spurtacular]

yep.. then we'd be set for years

A primary big with no post moves and sub par defensive skills and rebounding is a recipe for perpetual first and second round exits. Basically, you want to give up the farm for a slightly better David West (And I'm not talking prime West, I'm talking about 2016 West) :lmao

[cd021]

A primary big with no post moves and sub par defensive skills and rebounding is a recipe for perpetual first and second round exits. Basically, you want to give up the farm for a slightly better David West (And I'm not talking prime West, I'm talking about 2016 West) :lmao
15-16 West was excellent during the regular season and average during the PS, not the greatest comp. especially when West is an excellent mid range shooter and Jah can't shoot outside of the paint.
Keeping hearing Brook Lopez and Al Jefferson as player comps that sounds closer to his ceiling. and Raven isn't being serious, I don't think.

[Raven]

A primary big with no post moves and sub par defensive skills and rebounding is a recipe for perpetual first and second round exits. Basically, you want to give up the farm for a slightly better David West (And I'm not talking prime West, I'm talking about 2016 West) :lmao

no post moves? really? :lol

[TrainOfThought5]

15-16 West was excellent during the regular season and average during the PS, not the greatest comp. especially when West is an excellent mid range shooter and Jah can't shoot outside of the paint.
Keeping hearing Brook Lopez and Al Jefferson as player comps that sounds closer to his ceiling. and Raven isn't being serious, I don't think.

He was a rookie last year, he'll become much better with us.

[cd021]

no post moves? really? :lol

Yeah Jah's post game is really the only thing scouts rave about dude is apparently gifted in the post.

[cd021]

He was a rookie last year, he'll become much better with us.

Probably not next season if he were to join and would be an awkward fit going forward. He can't really shoot outside the paint while Gasol and and LMA are elite for big man shooters meaning that one of them is going to have to be paired with him and that would have to be LMA because he is a good rim protector and pretty good rebounder so Jah would have to start.

the bench rotation would look like
Mills
Manu, Simmons
Anderson, Bertans,
Gasol, LJC
Dedmon

It would push Simmons out of a rotation spot (assuming that KA is the backup PF and Simmons is currently the backup 3) meaning that Bertans would be much less likely to see any minutes and Simmons wouldn't play nearly as much as he expected to this season. Gasol is a better C than a PF because he can at least us his length to block shots near the basket instead of having to be pulled away from the basket and forced to cover p&rs, he is also a great Defensive rebounder.

Jah would really only be effective in post ups, next season at least, and how many post ups can he expect with Kawhi getting more touches and shots and Aldridge getting the same and Parker having to step up as the 3rd leg of the big 3. Even if he were to play 28 mpg, he probably wouldn't see the ball in the post more than five or six times a game which would limit his effectiveness. Gasol is probably going to be on the 17-18 team as well so I am not sure he would fit at all with the Spurs the next two years.

Noel would be the better of the two, he projects as an above average starting defensive center and is barely 22 years old.

BTW I saw a rumor that the Cavs were trying to acquire him for Shumpert which would be NBA 2K level highway robbery.

Mills is a better player than Shump in my opinion and I would toss in a 1st rounder to make sure that deal got done.

[Chinook]

I'll tell you this, though. I'd do something around Simmons for Jerami Grant easy.

This should get more discussion. Grant is essentially what we're hoping LJC will end up being, only younger, more athletic and more experienced. I'm not sure how his man-defense is, but it's up to snuff, being able to trot out him, Bertans and Anderson would mean there's an awful lot of versatility on the court.

[Spurtacular]

no post moves? really? :lol

Maybe if you count the high post.

[sexinthatsx]

First Spurs draft a Dejounte Murray that leaves vulgar tweets, and now there's rumors of them being interested in a player like Jahlil Okafor known to be immature and knock out Boston Celtic fans on the streets. They must be getting desperate.

[SAGirl]

This should get more discussion. Grant is essentially what we're hoping LJC will end up being, only younger, more athletic and more experienced. I'm not sure how his man-defense is, but it's up to snuff, being able to trot out him, Bertans and Anderson would mean there's an awful lot of versatility on the court.

I haven't watched him enough to be able to give opinions on him. He's indeed a similar athlete to LJC, but more experienced. I am not sure he would be rotation player for Pop.

As for JSimms, I think we need him for depth while Manu is in the team. He just does things that Manu used to do but can no longer pull off against the elite athletes. His talent finishing at the basket or drawing fouls and his aggressiveness in transition is useful. Bertans is a different player and although I like Dejounte bc he rebounds better, has better instincts coming up with loose balls, and has those long arms to poke balls away, he's raw and very slim, which makes it difficult for him to finish through contact, while JSimms is like a small tank. Dejounte also needs to learn to play within a system and work on his defense and his shot. I expect to see him through the season, but he has to WOW to displace JSimms... although its not out of the possibilities. Ultimately, it's up to JSimms too what he does with his season but I wish him well.

How much can the team spare JSimms in general depends on what role he's expected to play next to Manu, bc he won't repeat a high usage performance like in SL and considering that, the other two guys might do just as well or better.

[SAGirl]

First Spurs draft a Dejounte Murray that leaves vulgar tweets, and now there's rumors of them being interested in a player like Jahlil Okafor known to be immature and knock out Boston Celtic fans on the streets. They must be getting desperate.
Those rumors are not even rumors. Its a reporter suggesting spots for Okafor.

In reality there is not really a report that Okafor's trade value has decreased. Colangelo came out saying the opposite.

[Chillen]

Losing Tim Duncan hurts. Spurs should be a dangerous playoff team this season with the roster, but expecting a championship is a bit premature. Okafor would be a Pop project and fill Tim's void, but this trade probably won't happen. All these trade scenarios are because the Spurs just lost an all-time great player to retirement, so the Spurs are in need of some kind of infusion. Gasol will help, but the Spurs lost some depth (Duncan, Boban, Diaw).

[lmbebo]

People are acting like we don't have a big anymore. We've got LMA and Gasol. Neither is Timmy, but no other players are. But consider we just lost a top 10 player to retirement, we are sitting pretty well.

[Chillen]

People are acting like we don't have a big anymore. We've got LMA and Gasol. Neither is Timmy, but no other players are. But consider we just lost a top 10 player to retirement, we are sitting pretty well.

Yes, but the roster has lost some depth. Gasol will get plenty of minutes as a Spur this season and LMA to.

[Chinook]

I haven't watched him enough to be able to give opinions on him. He's indeed a similar athlete to LJC, but more experienced. I am not sure he would be rotation player for Pop.

I'd say he's a far superior athlete to LJC (especially post injury) and would be the best on the team by a decent margin:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGJ2TwZ0Eyk


As for JSimms, I think we need him for depth while Manu is in the team. He just does things that Manu used to do but can no longer pull off against the elite athletes. His talent finishing at the basket or drawing fouls and his aggressiveness in transition is useful. Bertans is a different player and although I like Dejounte bc he rebounds better, has better instincts coming up with loose balls, and has those long arms to poke balls away, he's raw and very slim, which makes it difficult for him to finish through contact, while JSimms is like a small tank. Dejounte also needs to learn to play within a system and work on his defense and his shot. I expect to see him through the season, but he has to WOW to displace JSimms... although its not out of the possibilities. Ultimately, it's up to JSimms too what he does with his season but I wish him well.

How much can the team spare JSimms in general depends on what role he's expected to play next to Manu, bc he won't repeat a high usage performance like in SL and considering that, the other two guys might do just as well or better.

I think Grant would slide right into that spot Simmons currently occupies. In the very least, he seems like a decent (and very willing) help-defender/rim-protector, and seems adept at finishing, which is something that will be needed if Dedmon is indeed the starter. His perimeter skills seemed to have decline a bit since his rookie season. He was pretty much able to dribble-penetrate and spot up during his first year, and both of those things seem to have tapered off somewhat during his sophomore campaign. Depth behind Manu would be a little sticky, but Murray and whichever guard the Spurs keep (if not both) would be there to provide emergency filler. It's not ideal, but neither is relying on Simmons to be a rotation player.

[cd98]

First Spurs draft a Dejounte Murray that leaves vulgar tweets, and now there's rumors of them being interested in a player like Jahlil Okafor known to be immature and knock out Boston Celtic fans on the streets. They must be getting desperate.

I'm fine with him knocking out Boston fans, like the guy that write 21 reasons why he (and only he) thinks that McHale is better than Duncan.

[SAGirl]

I'd say he's a far superior athlete to LJC (especially post injury) and would be the best on the team by a decent margin:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGJ2TwZ0Eyk



I think Grant would slide right into that spot Simmons currently occupies. In the very least, he seems like a decent (and very willing) help-defender/rim-protector, and seems adept at finishing, which is something that will be needed if Dedmon is indeed the starter. His perimeter skills seemed to have decline a bit since his rookie season. He was pretty much able to dribble-penetrate and spot up during his first year, and both of those things seem to have tapered off somewhat during his sophomore campaign. Depth behind Manu would be a little sticky, but Murray and whichever guard the Spurs keep (if not both) would be there to provide emergency filler. It's not ideal, but neither is relying on Simmons to be a rotation player.
Hm you are right Chinook, I have to agree with you that he's the much better prospect. It's possible the dribble plays went away once Okafor got in the team and started clogging the lane. Him also not shooting the 3 or being much of a jumpshooter has probably affected drives by now. Simmons is bound to have the same problem if his jumpshot doesn't come back, although he looked like an improved midrange shooter.

I think for Grant, his lack of a 3 pt shot will push him to the 4, but he also doesn't shoot the midrange shot. (I checked his shot chart but he doesn't take many midrange shots and it's possible, he can't make those shots, or they don't fit Brown's system in Philly). He's hard to fit offensively but you can't beat size. The blocks and help defense are more than JSimms does. The question is if 76ers will take JSimmons. Also, Pop and his loyalty. I am inclined to believe they want to give JSimms his chance and only if he is not cutting it, they will look around.

How much of that report of Dedmon starting do you believe? It might be up to still be decided until Pop sees guys in actual training camp, but I have trouble seeing it unless both Kawhi and LMA become better playmakers. I expect Pop to make adjustments to have Kawhi with the ball a lot more this upcoming season, so I guess we will see.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Terrible article. The proposed deal of Mills + Anderson is both unrealistic, as they'd likely get more for Okafor AND at the same time doesn't make sense for the Spurs to lose their back-up PG and back-up PF for a 3rd center and be left with no money to fix the roster. I guess it could get worse though, something like Green for Okafor and then start Murray :lol

[Raven]

This should get more discussion. Grant is essentially what we're hoping LJC will end up being, only younger, more athletic and more experienced. I'm not sure how his man-defense is, but it's up to snuff, being able to trot out him, Bertans and Anderson would mean there's an awful lot of versatility on the court.

He's one of the worst players I have ever seen on an nba field, no offence

[Chinook]

He's one of the worst players I have ever seen on an nba field, no offence

He's better than Simmons.

[Chinook]

Hm you are right Chinook, I have to agree with you that he's the much better prospect. It's possible the dribble plays went away once Okafor got in the team and started clogging the lane. Him also not shooting the 3 or being much of a jumpshooter has probably affected drives by now. Simmons is bound to have the same problem if his jumpshot doesn't come back, although he looked like an improved midrange shooter.

I think they are also not letting him have as much freedom to experiment offensively with Okafor getting a ton of touches. I'm not sure if that's affected him getting into a shooting rhythm too, but the fact that Philly seemingly can't teach anyone how to shoot makes me think he's not in the ideal developmental landscape right now.


I think for Grant, his lack of a 3 pt shot will push him to the 4, but he also doesn't shoot the midrange shot. (I checked his shot chart but he doesn't take many midrange shots and it's possible, he can't make those shots, or they don't fit Brown's system in Philly). He's hard to fit offensively but you can't beat size. The blocks and help defense are more than JSimms does. The question is if 76ers will take JSimmons. Also, Pop and his loyalty. I am inclined to believe they want to give JSimms his chance and only if he is not cutting it, they will look around.

I think he's more of a roll-man than a pop-man, which would go well next to LMA or Gasol. Independent of that, I think, he'd just play wherever. It's not idea for him to be a three next to Anderson's four, but he could probably play off him relatively well. Defensively, he would let Anderson play on the weaker forward, so the concerns about Kyle getting abused in the post don't really apply. But on offense, he'd just be a slasher/diver, and I like that with the passing and spacing that should be available for that unit. His true position probably won't be too big of a deal.


How much of that report of Dedmon starting do you believe? It might be up to still be decided until Pop sees guys in actual training camp, but I have trouble seeing it unless both Kawhi and LMA become better playmakers. I expect Pop to make adjustments to have Kawhi with the ball a lot more this upcoming season, so I guess we will see.

I think Dedmon can play well next to those guys. Parker should be able to use him on PnRs, and besides that, just having him board and finish would make everyone's live's easier. As far as the likelihood of that happening goes, well it's a tougher call to make. I believe in Keith Smith's credibility, but I just don't see Pau agreeing to that situation. But maybe it's a "I'll try it, but I'm not happy with it" kind of thing. And that means we'll only know if it's a permanent change after seeing it.