Would you trade Kawhi for Westbrook?

[JohnnyMax]

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/07/23/russell-westbrook-end-san-antonio-spurs/

Many are already starting to speculate as to where Westbrook will end up. It was reported that the Thunder’s general manager, Sam Presti, has already reached out to the San Antonio Spurs about the possibility of a trade.

With that said, this still seems unlikely to happen; given the Spurs want to hang on to both Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge, two players the Thunder will obviously ask about.

[SAGirl]

No.

[Chinook]

Fuck no.

[r0drig0lac]

wut?

[Joseph Kony]

No way

[tholdren]

no

[apalisoc_9]

Should I trade a better and younger player? God damn op is showing his reddit and realgm brains.

Wouldbt even trade Green.

Id be open to trading a 31 year old LMA thiugh

[MVPCues]

Next thread to be started on SpursTalk: "How Ayers was the best player Spurs ever let go...".

[testies]

Yes

[K...]

Yes

Are you at least going to stipulate that the contracts are otherwise equal? Otherwise this is mad stupid.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hell yeah

[Robz4000]

:lol

[baseline bum]

ROFL @ that article saying the Spurs could offer Green/Murray/Anderson for Westbrook. :lmao

[szkorhetz]

Are you at least going to stipulate that the contracts are otherwise equal? Otherwise this is mad stupid.
Kawhi is a second banana and no team will ever win a chip with him being the main piece. Don't tell me about, 2014, that team had no leader, the best player was different every single game and as teams focus more on KL, he disappears. See Barned in '15 and even he wa shut down by fucking Roberson and the 6'2 Waiters. He is not an A man.

[poeticism707]

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/07/23/russell-westbrook-end-san-antonio-spurs/

Many are already starting to speculate as to where Westbrook will end up. It was reported that the Thunder’s general manager, Sam Presti, has already reached out to the San Antonio Spurs about the possibility of a trade.

With that said, this still seems unlikely to happen; given the Spurs want to hang on to both Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge, two players the Thunder will obviously ask about.

FUCK NO.

NOT EVEN IF WB SIGNED A MAX EXT...

[raybies]

Nope

[tholdren]

Kawhi is a second banana and no team will ever win a chip with him being the main piece. Don't tell me about, 2014, that team had no leader, the best player was different every single game and as teams focus more on KL, he disappears. See Barned in '15 and even he wa shut down by fucking Roberson and the 6'2 Waiters. He is not an A man.
While I will agree with the above post - I would also say that I don't see the swap of WB for KL to be giving the spurs a chip either. Parker and Mills and Murray for westbrook.

[Raven]

I don't think anybody would.

[szkorhetz]

While I will agree with the above post - I would also say that I don't see the swap of WB for KL to be giving the spurs a chip either. Parker and Mills and Murray for westbrook.
Why would the Thunder do it?

[look_at_g_shred]

Why would the Thunder do it?
Because that is probably the best the thunder will be able to get in return. Teams aren't willing to give up key players for a one year rental. If the thunder are going to be balking at every offer they get because it doesn't include players they want. Then they risk losing WB for nothing.

[SASdynasty!]

Hahaha trade a clutch, efficient 2xDPOY FMVP for a chucker that shoots his team out of the playoffs every season, especially at the end of games? No thanks.

[Obstructed_View]

Parker for Westbrook also works from a salary standpoint. I'm for that instead.

[spurraider21]

:lmao

[BillMc]

Never

[bus driver]

^ +1

[elemento]

hell no

I wouldn't trade Aldridge either.

[BillMc]

I wouldn't trade Aldridge either.

Agreed.

While I would trade Danny I wouldn't be happy about it. Everyone else is fair game (in basketball terms. For personal reasons as a long term fan it'd be tough to see Manu or Tony go).

[dabom]

:lol

[dabom]

What is up with these shitty threads lately. :lol

[TXstbobcat]

Not a chance in hell the Spurs trade Leonard. The Spurs are not going to trade the two-time defensive player of the year and last year's runner up in the MVP voting. After all of the huge contracts given out this offseason Leonard's contract is a damn bargain over the next few years.

[dabom]

Kawhi is getting paid mozgov money. :lol

[BillMc]

Kawhi is getting paid mozgov money. :lol

:lol No justice in this world.

[TXstbobcat]

Any trade for Westbrook at this point is going to be for a one-year rental. He is not going to sign an extension. Not a chance in hell that the Spurs consider that trade.

[dabom]

:lol No justice in this world.

:lol

[MaNu4Tres]

ROFL @ that article saying the Spurs could offer Green/Murray/Anderson for Westbrook. :lmao

OKC has no leverage at all. No team with half a brain will give up decent pieces without assurance that he'll re-sign. At same time, Russ probably would only give 1 or two teams the assurance IF he does give any assurance. Even if Russ gives 1 or two teams that he'd give his assurance to, those two teams or one team would have all the leverage in the world to drive down his price.

OKC is better off keeping him and risking losing him for nothing.

[tmtcsc]

Kawhi is a second banana and no team will ever win a chip with him being the main piece.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/940/548/hi-res-88825c940ca9ef7e7987095ff8aec18d_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75

[exstatic]

Any trade for Westbrook at this point is going to be for a one-year rental. He is not going to sign an extension. Not a chance in hell that the Spurs consider that trade.

Not really. He and his agent could let select teams know that he would re-sign next summer. Going back on that would be detrimental to both player and agent.

[tmtcsc]

Not really. He and his agent could let select tams know that he would re-sign next summer. Going back on that would be detrimental to both player and agent.

Like Deandre Jordan are Carlos Boozer? There are no consequences to going back on your word. People move on.

[Tully365]

OKC is so screwed.... no possible way Westbrook will extend with the current financial situation, and few if any teams willing to trade anything substantial for a guy who is viewed as a strange decision maker... if (though I'd say it's more like when) he leaves, luring free agents to play in OKC will be very difficult. I said it two years ago: they should've traded Westbrook when he had high value and time left on his contract.

Kawhi is the polar opposite of Russ: temperamentally stable, uninterested in stat stuffing, loves playing defense, avoids the spotlight, good teammate, etc., plus he has a great long term contract at a very reasonable price. Russ will undoubtedly want to "get paid" and be one of the highest paid players in the league, demanding a contract that will cost significantly more than Kawhi's contract. The Spurs would never consider for a second trading Kawhi for Russ.

[Obstructed_View]

Also, why would the Spurs trade for Westbrook when they can just sign him next season without having to give anything up?

[TXstbobcat]

Not really. He and his agent could let select teams know that he would re-sign next summer. Going back on that would be detrimental to both player and agent.

That is a possibility but I think it's a much stronger possibility that Westbrook wants to go through the free agency process and have teams line up to kiss his ass during the next off-season.

[tmtcsc]

Not really. He and his agent could let select tams know that he would re-sign next summer. Going back on that would be detrimental to both player and agent.

Like Deandre Jordan are Carlos Boozer? There are no consequences to going back on your word. People move on.

[szkorhetz]

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/940/548/hi-res-88825c940ca9ef7e7987095ff8aec18d_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2014-nba-finals-heat-vs-spurs.html

And yeah, Igoudala says hi. I assume that makes him a franchise cornerstone too in your view. Oh, wait.

[Vic Petro]

Kawhi will never play in another uniform unless he himself decides to leave.

[tmtcsc]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2014-nba-finals-heat-vs-spurs.html

And yeah, Igoudala says hi. I assume that makes him a franchise cornerstone too in your view. Oh, wait.

Are you talking about the two time defending DPOY Iguodala? That franchise cornerstone player? The one who is considered the best two-way player in the league?

Just sit there and stay silent.

[DPG21920]

While I obvioulsly laugh at giving up Kawhi for WB, I do think people are wildly underestimating the potential trade value of WB all things considered.

Getting nearly a full season of WB not only sells tickets, but is splashy. As much as this is about basketball, it's also a business. Then on top of that, it's a pretty sizeable advantage for a team trading for WB with regards to the ability of keeping him.

Whomever has WB at the time of FA is the odds on favorite to keep him. Of course nothing is guaranteed, but plenty of teams would be willing to gamble on getting a top 5-8 player even if the risk is losing him. Even if they can sign him in FA. In FA, the only difference in you and other teams is who has his bird rights (in addition to whatever else WB values; winning ,city, market, etc..).

Teams may not bring the house, but I would not be surprised if someone makes a big offer either.

[Chinook]

Biggest issue is that Westbrook would be making nearly as much as LMA and Kawhi combined next year if he signed a max contract using Bird rights. I don't think I could stomach that.

[kobyz]

Kawhi is more mainstream so people overrated him, two first round exits with him as lead guy...

[LittleCriminal]

Parker, Anderson, mills for Westbrook.
I know it will not happen.. But it would be an ok trade in my book..

[james evans]

are you fucking crazy?

[dabom]

Kawhi is more mainstream so people overrated him, two first round exits with him as lead guy...

Conference Finals, Finals, Finals, First Round, Second round.

Where in the fuck did he lose in the first round twice you stupid fuck??? :lmao

Do you even watch the Spurs? I've seen you post this same statement more than once around here. :lmao

[dabom]

I'm tired of these fake fucking fans for real. :lol

[td4mvp2k]

:lol ban this nigga OP tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Manure + Fathead should get it done tbh :lol

[Stabula]

It's summer time...

[kobyz]

Conference Finals, Finals, Finals, First Round, Second round.

Where in the fuck did he lose in the first round twice you stupid fuck??? :lmao

Do you even watch the Spurs? I've seen you post this same statement more than once around here. :lmao
Last two season are two first round exits in my book, Memphis series doesn't count as basketball...

[dabom]

Last two season are two first round exits in my book, Memphis series doesn't count as basketball...

1 hour to figure out how to spin that shit? :lmao

Faggot doesn't even watch the Spurs. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Aldridge was our best player against OKC, tbh

[DeRozan m8]

Kawhi is a second banana and no team will ever win a chip with him being the main piece. Don't tell me about, 2014, that team had no leader, the best player was different every single game and as teams focus more on KL, he disappears. See Barned in '15 and even he wa shut down by fucking Roberson and the 6'2 Waiters. He is not an A man.

Theres no ring in 2014 without Leonard, you complete stupid c*nt

[T Park]

ROFL @ that article saying the Spurs could offer Green/Murray/Anderson for Westbrook. :lmao

I mean, they could. Whether its accepted is another topic :lol

[tholdren]

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/940/548/hi-res-88825c940ca9ef7e7987095ff8aec18d_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75

4th option

[tholdren]

Theres no ring in 2014 without Leonard, you complete stupid c*nt
no - not if its someone like Hill on the team instead of KL - but Matt Barnes could have won it that year in SA instead of KL

[T Park]

Like Deandre Jordan are Carlos Boozer? There are no consequences to going back on your word. People move on.

I can almost guarantee you, DeAndre Jordan and his agent lost a bit of standing and things changed after that.

TO think otherwise is nieve.

[szkorhetz]

Theres no ring in 2014 without Leonard, you complete stupid c*nt
No one ever questioned that.

[spursparker9]

For Enrique sure

[lilbthebasedgod]

No. He's better than Kawhi but I am bullish on Dejounte. We definitely don't have another small forward who can take over for when Kawhi's gone.

[TrainOfThought5]

What is up with these shitty threads lately. :lol

:lol todays Offseason threads

[TrainOfThought5]

Kawhi is more mainstream so people overrated him, two first round exits with him as lead guy...

As far as im concerned the Kawhi era starts this year.

[Chillen]

Probably not, but Kawhi for Westbrook, Adams straight up is awfully tempting.

[TrainOfThought5]

Probably not, but Kawhi for Westbrook, Adams straight up is awfully tempting.

We'd be fools to trade for westbrook when we could wait and get him for free next summer.

[spurtech09]

uh no.....

[DeRozan m8]

no - not if its someone like Hill on the team instead of KL - but Matt Barnes could have won it that year in SA instead of KL


I hope for your sake you're still doing that joke thing

[tholdren]

I hope for your sake you're still doing that joke thing
The only joke was KL winning FMVP over tim

[Chillen]

We'd be fools to trade for westbrook when we could wait and get him for free next summer.

Well sort of, to trade Kawhi for a 1 year rental of Westbrook is plain stupid and won't happen, but Parker/Mills/Anderson for a 1 year rental of Westbrook, yes.

[YGWHI]

no - not if its someone like Hill on the team instead of KL - but Matt Barnes could have won it that year in SA instead of KL
:lmao


I doubt there is a current NBA player who can do this
http://i.imgur.com/mST6oEv.jpg

And this
http://i.imgur.com/cufd9tq.jpg

Working on both ends, in playoffs, against LeBron.

[TheCerebral1]

Get out of here with this crap.

[21209]

The Spurs chances of landing Russ are slim and none.

First, they won't trade Kawhi. Second, they'll likely get a better offer elsewhere.

There's no way in hell the Thunder let another player walk without compensation.

[SilverSpur]

Double hell no. Danny Green, Kyle Anderson, draft picks, cash or rights to stashed players.
Untouchables - Kawhi , LMA , Mills , Parker, Gasol, Manu, Dedmon and Murrary.

[tholdren]

:lmao


I doubt there is a current NBA player who can do this
http://i.imgur.com/mST6oEv.jpg

And this
http://i.imgur.com/cufd9tq.jpg

Working on both ends, in playoffs, against LeBron.
as a 4th option. best steal of his career when he won fmvp

[YGWHI]

as a 4th option. best steal of his career when he won fmvp
As the best Spurs player on both ends in the last 3 games of the Finals.

[Strategic]

Tim Duncan was a court superstar from year 2 through year 17 of his career. The FO added a couple of stars in TP and MG to compliment him. Wondering whether Leonard or Westbrook are superstars or just stars. Leonard did win a finals MVP and a couple of DPOY awards. Westbrook has super talent but didn't look coachable, but then came the last 4 games of the Spurs series and first four games of the Warriors series this year. Still concerned about Westbrook's BBIQ. Still concerned about Leonard's ability to be that alpha leader. Guess one in the hand tops two in the bush.

[kobyz]

As far as im concerned the Kawhi era starts this year.

Doesn't make getting shit on by Matt Barnes any better... Two seasons with him supposed to be our best player and he shrink come money time, so what gonna be now he also need to lead an era? Are we settling for being first round exit team?

[DeRozan m8]

The only joke was KL winning FMVP over tim

LOL

[Spurtacular]

Should I trade a better and younger player? God damn op is showing his reddit and realgm brains.

Wouldbt even trade Green.

Id be open to trading a 31 year old LMA thiugh

Kawhi for Bradley or Ariza.

You have no room to talk.

[minuzzo21]

No

[r0drig0lac]

No. He's better than Kawhi but I am bullish on Dejounte. We definitely don't have another small forward who can take over for when Kawhi's gone.

no

[George Gervin's Afro]

No

[lilbthebasedgod]

no
ok

[Horse]

Kawhi is a second banana and no team will ever win a chip with him being the main piece. Don't tell me about, 2014, that team had no leader, the best player was different every single game and as teams focus more on KL, he disappears. See Barned in '15 and even he wa shut down by fucking Roberson and the 6'2 Waiters. He is not an A man.

More of this horseshit

[Horse]

:clawSomeone needs to teach these kids some respect. Kawhi is already more than anyone ever thought and he improves every year. I would say with Timmy gone he will take over more and he will continue his rise.

[tholdren]

As the best Spurs player on both ends in the last 3 games of the Finals.
But he sucked ass the first 2 games of the series when Tim imposed his will. I will agree that he had great games in 3-4-5, but he wasn't coming in as "the man" or even the third option. He's a good player - but hasn't led the team to anything.

[Blake]

Hell no to op.

Westbrook's explosive athleticism is incredible but it's gonna take a toll on his knees and ankles more sooner than later.

a la Derrick Rose

[james evans]

Kawhi is a second banana and no team will ever win a chip with him being the main piece. Don't tell me about, 2014, that team had no leader, the best player was different every single game and as teams focus more on KL, he disappears. See Barned in '15 and even he wa shut down by fucking Roberson and the 6'2 Waiters. He is not an A man.
How great was Barnes' defense without Splitter Clogging up the middle and Aldridge spacing the floor? I'll wait for an answer. U don't have to reply right away. As far as "shut down " by Roberson and Waiters, he had a better series against the Thunder than the reigning 2 time mvp. No one told parker and Alridge to miss wide open chip shots at the end of game 5.

[tholdren]

How great was Barnes' defense without Splitter Clogging up the middle and Aldridge spacing the floor? I'll wait for an answer. U don't have to reply right away. As far as "shut down " by Roberson and Waiters, he had a better series against the Thunder than the reigning 2 time mvp. No one told parker and Alridge to miss wide open chip shots at the end of game 5.
You're missing the point. KL has a great cast. For him to be this prime-time player that everyone says he is, he needs to lead the team, otherwise he's just a cast member.

[aal04]

WB should sign spurs for min to spite KD.

Make it a 2 horse race

[bic50]

You're missing the point. KL has a great cast. For him to be this prime-time player that everyone says he is, he needs to lead the team, otherwise he's just a cast member.

Your boy jimmer can't even stay in the league and you were all over his nuts. Fucking joke.

[spurtech09]

I'd do it for this year onlyNever do it period..

[tholdren]

Your boy jimmer can't even stay in the league and you were all over his nuts. Fucking joke.
meeelllllllllltttttttt doooooowwnnnnnnnnnnnnn, did you copy and paste your post.

Spurs needed someone to score when it mattered. Im not a Jimmer fan per-se. Im a fan of having someone that can create buckets when the spurs were going to go on their drought. Its OBVIOUS that Spurs needed more firepower. I was more for Jimmer than I was for some defensive FC player who couldn't score. Looking back at how the playoffs ended for SA, I was right. Hurts you, doesn't it?

[YGWHI]

But he sucked ass the first 2 games of the series when Tim imposed his will. I will agree that he had great games in 3-4-5, but he wasn't coming in as "the man" or even the third option.
So what? There are just a few players in the history of the game who played great a whole series. Most players had his bad and good games through the playoffs, even LeBron/Curry had their bad games in last Finals. Kawhi was one of them, elevating his game to another level to win the title in 2014.

And just for the record, he was "the man" in those last three games being the #1 option with more FGAs than any other Spur on the court.


He's a good player - but hasn't led the team to anything.
He's a great player.
I've said this before, a lot of great players never reached the Finals or won a ship. I don't judge talent by just rings because I refuse to believe that Bonner is better than Barkley or Ewing

[Gagnrath]

I would like to have Westbrook but not for Kahwi.

[Sean Cagney]

:clawSomeone needs to teach these kids some respect. Kawhi is already more than anyone ever thought and he improves every year. I would say with Timmy gone he will take over more and he will continue his rise.

Any Spurs fan who does not want this or would not cheer him on is an idiot, period.......

[tholdren]

So what? There are just a few players in the history of the game who played great a whole series. Most players had his bad and good games through the playoffs, even LeBron/Curry had their bad games in last Finals. Kawhi was one of them, elevating his game to another level to win the title in 2014.

And just for the record, he was "the man" in those last three games being the #1 option with more FGAs than any other Spur on the court.


He's a great player.
I've said this before, a lot of great players never reached the Finals or won a ship. I don't judge talent by just rings because I refuse to believe that Bonner is better than Barkley or Ewing

Lebum and Stupid led their teams to victories and the finals.

[Mal]

No. You simply don`t trade your star player for other one, when your isn`t demanding trade.

[kobyz]

Westbrook and Adams for Kawhi!

[Sean Cagney]

NO, NO and No....... That is all.