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ducks
08-01-2016, 01:12 PM
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/8/1/12305632/tony-parker-skills-add-san-antonio-spurs-without-tim-duncan-2016-video
alpha_HaZE
08-01-2016, 01:16 PM
Makes some good points, I disagree about his defense, but overall it made me hopeful we can content next year with TP running the team as the primary ball handler.

Thanks for sharing!
RD2191
08-01-2016, 01:55 PM
He's probably the worst starting PG for a "contender". We're fucked if we go into the playoffs starting the ham.
DPG21920
08-01-2016, 02:24 PM
He's probably the worst starting PG for a "contender". We're fucked if we go into the playoffs starting the ham.

Maybe (especially if he declines any more) - BUT!!!

SA was so close to beating a really good OKC team in that series. They swept a mediocre playoff team before that and had a ridiculously close series with OKC who took GS to game 7 (and should have beaten them).

Tim was really a non-factor against OKC and if Pau can give the Spurs anything more than Tim did while hobbled that series (which should be a reasonable assumption to make) they likely beat OKC and are in the WCF.

If Danny has a nice rebound year (which in the playoffs he showed out great) that too is a big help.

There are clear paths to the Spurs being better next year even with TP at the helm. Spurs needed to get more talent to make up for it which they did.
Diego20
08-01-2016, 02:37 PM
ok ducks, ok
Mikeanaro
08-01-2016, 02:40 PM
Not if they want to win a title, contend is relative when you have a free pass to the playoffs since now West sucks as much as the East.
urunobili
08-01-2016, 02:51 PM
To win a championship?
Darius Bieber
08-01-2016, 03:23 PM
There are easily 10+ starting PGs better than Parker. That's not good enough for a contender at all.

Parker is 18th in the league among PGs in terms of efficiency.

http://i.imgur.com/AFvvOAH.jpg
dabom
08-01-2016, 03:24 PM
Ptr thinks fathead is good too. Lol
SASdynasty!
08-01-2016, 03:44 PM
Actually we need to lean on Parker more like we did in 2012-14 when we actually made deep playoff runs. There's nothing to suggest Tony's actually significantly declined since then except for the fact that we cut his minutes and tried to run the offense through Kawhi and now LMA.
ducks
08-01-2016, 03:45 PM
ok ducks, ok

article said it not ducks
Sean Cagney
08-01-2016, 03:51 PM
Actually we need to lean on Parker more like we did in 2012-14 when we actually made deep playoff runs. There's nothing to suggest Tony's actually significantly declined since then except for the fact that we cut his minutes and tried to run the offense through Kawhi and now LMA.

IDK I think he lost some speed too but that is normal at his age and mileage to be honest. We will see.
gambit1990
08-01-2016, 05:30 PM
Actually we need to lean on Parker more like we did in 2012-14 when we actually made deep playoff runs. There's nothing to suggest Tony's actually significantly declined since then except for the fact that we cut his minutes and tried to run the offense through Kawhi and now LMA.
:lmao
Dex
08-01-2016, 06:01 PM
Hopefully Tony spent his entire summer working on that jumper. He may not be able to get to the rim consistently anymore, but he will be able to get that shot consistently. His best years were when he was hitting that consistently.
Sean Cagney
08-01-2016, 06:04 PM
Hopefully Tony spent his entire summer working on that jumper. He may not be able to get to the rim consistently anymore, but he will be able to get that shot consistently. His best years were when he was hitting that consistently.

Yep, his shot is horrible and has been for a little bit now. That LAC series was his worst (I know he was banged up but my God his shot was bad). He needs to get that reliable J going if he wants to continue in this league because he has lest a step or two at his age/mileage.
dabom
08-01-2016, 06:15 PM
More Tony chucking? :lol

He wasn't even that good at jumpshots in his prime.
bklynspursfan
08-01-2016, 06:28 PM
No doubt about it. Thanks for sharing... Looking forward to a bounce back season from TP
dabom
08-01-2016, 06:40 PM
He has been garbage these past 2 years. People already forgot. :lol
LongtimeSpursFan
08-01-2016, 06:48 PM
Probably the most important player in the starting lineup everyone else could be replaced and the Spurs would still win 50+ games. Without Parker the Spurs would struggle to advance ball past half-court.
dabom
08-01-2016, 06:51 PM
Replace Porkers 15mil contract these past 2 years and we win 2 chips easily. :lmao
ducks
08-01-2016, 07:04 PM
More Tony chucking? :lol

He wasn't even that good at jumpshots in his prime.

him chucking over percent what harden is at 33 percent
Proxy
08-01-2016, 10:05 PM
No doubt about it. Thanks for sharing... Looking forward to a bounce back season from TP

I thought last year was a bounce back season?
LaMarcus Bryant
08-01-2016, 10:32 PM
Spurs should re sign TJ Ford.
Clipper Nation
08-01-2016, 11:59 PM
He has been garbage these past 14 years. People already forgot. :lol

FIFY
ElNono
08-02-2016, 12:03 AM
I'm ok with a Tony and Manu farewell tour, tbh... but let's not try to put lipstick on a pig with shit like "good enough"... Spurs should be all hands on deck next summer to try to nab Westbrook, tbh...
Clipper Nation
08-02-2016, 12:04 AM
Porker deserves a "good riddance" tour, or maybe a "fuck off" tour. He definitely shouldn't get a farewell tour.
Mikeanaro
08-02-2016, 12:27 AM
Porker deserves a "good riddance" tour, or maybe a "fuck off" tour. He definitely shouldn't get a farewell tour.
:lmao
Spurtacular
08-02-2016, 01:08 AM
Don't let TP play the last 4 minutes of any given game, and I can live with him being a starter.
Sean Cagney
08-02-2016, 01:23 AM
Don't let TP play the last 4 minutes of any given game, and I can live with him being a starter.
Yeah, he is pretty bad in the clutch to be honest.
TheGreatYacht
08-02-2016, 01:50 AM
Best guard on the team, and it's not really close tbh
ElNono
08-02-2016, 02:01 AM
Don't let TP play the last 4 minutes of any given game, and I can live with him being a starter.

We did pretty good when he either couldn't play or played just the 1st half of a series closeout games. We actually won both of those series and eventually the championship...
kobyz
08-02-2016, 02:19 AM
Jordan Farmer who signed with Memphis at the end of the season was the only worse PG than Parker last year in the NBA...
Spurtacular
08-02-2016, 03:14 AM
We did pretty good when he either couldn't play or played just the 1st half of a series closeout games. We actually won both of those series and eventually the championship...

Not an indictment of what Tony's done in the past. I'm not one of these "Porker" goons. I just think he does hero ball and gets exploited on D and is an overall negative value when the game is on the line. I don't mind taking what he can do during the run of play the rest the time when the team needs someone to push pace or be able to create his own shot.
Pocho La Pantera
08-02-2016, 05:36 AM
Great player, he'll be fine
dabom
08-02-2016, 07:33 AM
Porker deserves a "good riddance" tour, or maybe a "fuck off" tour. He definitely shouldn't get a farewell tour.

:lmao
urunobili
08-02-2016, 07:53 AM
I'm rooting for TP to shut the haters up. He'll retire a Spur and I doubt he'll ever come off the bench.
keeferob25
08-02-2016, 08:15 AM
I'm rooting for TP to shut the haters up. He'll retire a Spur and I doubt he'll ever come off the bench.

And we'll never win shit again as long as that's the case!
SASdynasty!
08-02-2016, 08:23 AM
And we'll never win shit again as long as that's the case!
2012 Leading Scorer Parker = WCF
2013 Leading Scorer Parker = Finals
2014 Leading Scorer Parker = Championship
2015 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCR1
2016 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCSF
Pocho La Pantera
08-02-2016, 08:30 AM
2012 Leading Scorer Parker = WCF
2013 Leading Scorer Parker = Finals
2014 Leading Scorer Parker = Championship
2015 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCR1
2016 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCSFSo? Who gives a shit about that? He needs to play for the team.
keeferob25
08-02-2016, 08:47 AM
2012 Leading Scorer Parker = WCF
2013 Leading Scorer Parker = Finals
2014 Leading Scorer Parker = Championship
2015 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCR1
2016 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCSF

Now which way is his efficiency trending? I rest my case.
gambit1990
08-02-2016, 10:30 AM
i don't think it's so much that tony parker is still good enough for the spurs... it's that the spurs are good enough despite tony parker.
Spur-Addict
08-02-2016, 11:32 AM
Unfortunately what we really need from him is his biggest weakness. Given the abundance of post players, it is important for him to be able to hit open shots from long ranges. A weakness on his part obviously. And the previously mentioned decline of his speed as well obviously plays a big factor as well.
Big Empty
08-02-2016, 11:33 AM
Parker is still decent. I don't place blame on him. He's still better at this age than avery Johnson ever was even in AJ's prime. I put the blame on Kawhi being too passive and shutting down when things weren't falling for him. I hope Kawhi grows mentally stronger over this off season
21209
08-02-2016, 11:54 AM
That Parker mid-range jump shot is worrisome since he seems to miss them quite a bit when he goes into hero ball mode.
gambit1990
08-02-2016, 12:07 PM
Parker is still decent. I don't place blame on him. He's still better at this age than avery Johnson ever was even in AJ's prime.
:lol
so glad we have someone better than avery johnson to compete with curry, westbrook :lol
Big Empty
08-02-2016, 12:11 PM
:lol
so glad we have someone better than avery johnson to compete with curry, westbrook :lol After this year, we might be able to have Westbrook on the team. Kawhi is the answer for now. If Kawhi ever adds 3 or 4 inches to his vertical he could be unstoppable with his jumper improving every year.
gambit1990
08-02-2016, 12:19 PM
After this year, we might be able to have Westbrook on the team. Kawhi is the answer for now. If Kawhi ever adds 3 or 4 inches to his vertical he could be unstoppable with his jumper improving every year.
part of the problem with parker is how he freezes kawhi out sometimes. it's embarassing. and doesn't make it any easier for kawhi.
SpursforSix
08-02-2016, 12:23 PM
part of the problem with parker is how he freezes kawhi out sometimes. it's embarassing. and doesn't make it any easier for kawhi.

It's a BIG part of the problem. If the Spurs expect Leonard to create his own offense, he needs the ball before there's 3 seconds left on the shot clock.
Spurs_619
08-02-2016, 01:34 PM
Best guard on the team, and it's not really close tbh

Thats not saying much tbh...
J_Paco
08-02-2016, 04:41 PM
It's a BIG part of the problem. If the Spurs expect Leonard to create his own offense, he needs the ball before there's 3 seconds left on the shot clock.


part of the problem with parker is how he freezes kawhi out sometimes. it's embarassing. and doesn't make it any easier for kawhi.

Never seen a bigger crock of shit repeated at ad nauseum. Tony Parker literally took at huge backseat for Kawhi and LaMarcus to take the reigns, but they were complete chicken shits at the end of games against OKC. The offense is ran through them, they take a majority of the looks, yet the failings of the offense falls on Parker?

That makes absolutely no sense and Tony needs to continue to play a balanced game of scoring/passing while defering to Kawhi/LaMarcus. They need to in turn make their shots and remain aggressive or the offense/team is fucked just like last postseason.

Side-note: Parker is at the age where he should be a backup, but the Spurs options are far too limited for that just yet. Finding his successor should be priorty #1, 2, 3 and 4 although I would like him to stick around as a mentor/6th man.
bklynspursfan
08-02-2016, 04:58 PM
I'm rooting for TP to shut the haters up. He'll retire a Spur and I doubt he'll ever come off the bench.

+1
bklynspursfan
08-02-2016, 05:00 PM
I thought last year was a bounce back season?

We'll need even more next year. From a leadership standpoint, and from him continuing to improve as a floor general/shooter. The shooting even more, he improved the corner 3 a great deal as he's gotten older. Adding a 3 point shot would help our starting 5 floor spacing issues a ton
SASdynasty!
08-02-2016, 08:43 PM
:lol
so glad we have someone better than avery johnson to compete with curry, westbrook :lol
Parker's already outplayed both of those guys in the playoffs.
SASdynasty!
08-02-2016, 08:45 PM
It's a BIG part of the problem. If the Spurs expect Leonard to create his own offense, he needs the ball before there's 3 seconds left on the shot clock.
Lol, then tell Kawhi not to give it back to Parker when he gets it from him the first time.
SASdynasty!
08-02-2016, 08:47 PM
Never seen a bigger crock of shit repeated at ad nauseum. Tony Parker literally took at huge backseat for Kawhi and LaMarcus to take the reigns, but they were complete chicken shits at the end of games against OKC. The offense is ran through them, they take a majority of the looks, yet the failings of the offense falls on Parker?

That makes absolutely no sense and Tony needs to continue to play a balanced game of scoring/passing while defering to Kawhi/LaMarcus. They need to in turn make their shots and remain aggressive or the offense/team is fucked just like last postseason.

Side-note: Parker is at the age where he should be a backup, but the Spurs options are far too limited for that just yet. Finding his successor should be priorty #1, 2, 3 and 4 although I would like him to stick around as a mentor/6th man.
Truth nuked the false narratives, tbh. Kawhi's where the ball sticks, not Parker.
tonight...you
08-02-2016, 08:51 PM
Lol, then tell Kawhi not to give it back to Parker when he gets it from him the first time.
That's a good point... Kawhi absolutely keeps it only when Pop tells him to. Otherwise he's looking for the best play within the clock and passing it back to Parker seems to be a recurring decision for him when he doesn't have a good opportunity in front of him after viewing what's in front of him and a few jab steps.
tonight...you
08-02-2016, 08:52 PM
Lord, that post was poorly phrased. Good thing I don't care about fixing it...
daslicer
08-02-2016, 09:29 PM
part of the problem with parker is how he freezes kawhi out sometimes. it's embarassing. and doesn't make it any easier for kawhi.

I have said this hundred times before but Kawhi needs to call for the ball if he feels Tony is freezing him out. I think this is the biggest excuses for Kawhitards when Kawhi doesn't play well "Parker didn't pass him the ball." Kawhi has to work on not being a mute.


so glad we have someone better than avery johnson to compete with curry, westbrook

Westbrook is a non factor now that Durant is gone. I feel the only other PG that could be a thorn for the spurs in the playoffs outside of Curry is Chris Paul. Spurs are fine with Parker at PG against any other team in the West besides the Clippers and Warriors. Those 2 teams will present the toughest challenge.
james evans
08-03-2016, 10:04 AM
2012 Leading Scorer Parker = WCF
2013 Leading Scorer Parker = Finals
2014 Leading Scorer Parker = Championship
2015 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCR1
2016 Leading Scorer Kawhi = WCSF
what happened in the finals? oh yeah, parker averaged 18ppg to Leonard's 17.8 but Parker took 24 more shots as Leoard shot a measly 61% from the field and a pitiful 57% from 3.. I wonder if Parker is gonna get the Kobe/Dirk severance package when his sorry ass is on his last contract.
cutewizard
08-03-2016, 10:09 AM
I think Parker could thrive with Gasol.....but we shall see.....
gambit1990
08-03-2016, 10:58 AM
since he probably isn't getting trade i hope he comes off the bench.

bring him and manu off the bench is kinda weird though... hopefully tp gets traded.
gambit1990
08-03-2016, 11:04 AM
people here thinking parker doesn't freeze kawhi out :lol

people here have such a low standard of what a point guard does because parker's been playing it for so long.

he's never been a natural point guard. he's trying to be like nash, cp3 but without their court vision and play making abilities he ends up just over dribbling. he has to dominate the ball to stay relevant tbh.
sasaint
08-03-2016, 11:11 AM
people here thinking parker doesn't freeze kawhi out :lol

people here have such a low standard of what a point guard does because parker's been playing it for so long.

he's never been a natural point guard. he's trying to be like nash, cp3 but without their court vision and play making abilities he ends up just over dribbling. he has to dominate the ball to stay relevant tbh.

I agree with much of what you said. However to really stay relevant for the team, he needs to be a reliable mid- and long-range shooter.
dabom
08-03-2016, 12:47 PM
People expect him to shoot jumpshots. We've gone full circle here. Long off season. :lmao
SASdynasty!
08-03-2016, 04:06 PM
what happened in the finals? oh yeah, parker averaged 18ppg to Leonard's 17.8 but Parker took 24 more shots as Leoard shot a measly 61% from the field and a pitiful 57% from 3.. I wonder if Parker is gonna get the Kobe/Dirk severance package when his sorry ass is on his last contract.
Kawhi was great in that series. He took a huge step up from the 12 PPG he averaged in the Dallas & OKC series that year.